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I would like to say that your predictions for the church were based on how Christian churches work, but Alvin specifically says that forgiveness isnt a thing in their religion, making it definitely not Christianity. If i had to guess, the church in deltarune is for a nonspecific religion with nonspecific practices, that may vaguely resemble Christian traditions. Idrk tho 🤷♀️ (Also, not looking for any kind of debate or anything, i just wanted to point it out because some of your predictions were based on assumptions about the in game religion, that i feel may have been a bit flawed)
I wonder if the endings aren’t red herrings after all. Kris without their heart seems to have their own premeditated plan. Consider this. He eats all the pie at the end of the first game. What is the thing that entices Suzy to stay over at the end of Chapter 2? Making a new pie. The next thing Kris does is slash his mom’s tires to keep her from taking Suzy home. I could be completely off base but it seems like there’s a plan here.
* I think it's really unlikely, but I desparately want a dark world in the double doors of the freezer at Sans' shop, just because I think Sans going "oh, whoops. how'd that get there?" to a blatantly obvious dark fountain would be so funny
it could also be an ominous opening for a mini dark world, even if just for 1 boss or 1 boss and a p-2 like gauntlet, a world completely drowned in snow, made just for one more dual seeing sans goofing of about it would be interesting, but seeing it as a boss it could be a cool way to have a secret final boss, maybe the boss depend's on the routes taken, no weird and you get something like the god of hyperdeath, with sans goofing of some and you get something akin to omega flowey or asgore, with a very nutral sans and if all are done, we have a confrontation with sans like old time's or maybe even papyrus ready to lecture the player on the player's action's, how escapism can be dangerous, and to not overly indulge in fantasy, as this can lead to you hurting other people even if you like them, pushing them away, by pressuring other's, ruining thing's for other's and more doing the game like normal when with a new character (noelle in ch2) is like what susie did while with lancer, becoming close to them, before they have to leave, but the weird route is the opposite of that, by indulging in the fantasy of a "what if...". this idea make's me wonder if every weird route will be about a different trait of a toxic friendship, snow-grave is pressuring, and ch3 may be about ruining something for everyone, and how fitting would it be for all of this to be said by papyrus, the character altered most by the undertale fandom, flanderised to be a pun hating, somewhat dumb, overly innocent and spaghetti obsessed skeleton, to be so brutally like their original character, a not so innocent, pun making, skeleton who want's to be a knight, so attack's the main character. im probably reaching but i like the idea's i'v proposed, sorry if this reply annoy's you by being to out there it's just this is the way my train of thought went turning a short comment into a long one.
Right? I'm still just as excited about the future of this game as I was 5 year ago, maybe even more so. Can't name any other game that has held my attention and hype so consistently over long draughts of content / updates.
I feel like they’re building up for a big reveal that Dess has been stuck in a dark world this whole time, unable to leave. That’s why nobody has found her, I believe the location of this dark world may be in the bunker as it seems to be in the middle of the forest where many believe Dess to have been lost in, and the existence of a dark world that’s been around for a long time and created by someone unknown could be a great reveal.
Maybe it’d be somehow connected to the school closet one, given that’s the ‘main one’, and another one than that can’t exist long and be stable, while its existence is just fine
@@birdup1_2The stability of other Fountains as far as we know is perfectly fine. The thing that becomes unstable from more than one is the barrier between Dark and Light. Two Fountains is clearly shown to not hold much strain, so maybe three isn’t the breaking point either
I feel like the characters that would be most significant for Deltarune going forward are the ones with unique text sounds and portrait sprites. Berdly, Noelle and Susie have all of those, and were big parts of the game. It wouldn’t be that big of a stretch to think Alphys, Rudy, Toriel, or Asgore are probably likely to appear in at least one of the chapters.
My thoughts exactly. The undertale characters obviously have these because they were already created for undertale, but Rudy’s were uniquely created for Deltarune, so I think that means he will definitely play a very big part.
Of note: Lord of The Hammer pretty clearly alludes to Lord of The Rings. Tolkien was well-known as a devout Catholic and LoTR has a lot of religious undertones in the background. So sticking it in with the church makes sense. All the Dark Worlds seem like they will follow a theme---they are fictional mediums in which we use imagination to engage in escapism. It seems that Dark Worlds don't necessarily create a world so much as take an already existing fictional world and make it real. So you would EXPECT a chapter based on books. Tolkien is basically the father of modern fantasy, it makes sense to have a Dark World based on his works. So I think the church chapter will count as the books/literature chapter with it primarily taking place in a Dark World based on Lord of The Rings high fantasy, with the villain inhabiting in a Mordor-like land of darkness.
@chicken0w044 Yeah well from what I can tell, it sorta seems like Dark Worlds are just worlds that already existed in someone's imagination, then the Dark Fountain makes them real and gives them life, sorta like how the DT Extractor gave Flowey life. So for example, if you exposed a toy to a Dark Fountain but that toy was factory-new, I don't think it would do anything, or at least that toy wouldn't become a very complex being. But a toy that's been played with, that a person perhaps gave a name or a backstory to, that has memories associated with it..... Those are what the Dark Fountain brings to life the most. They take the escapist fantasy you had and make it reality. So if that's true, then Toby is probably themeing every chapter after a different medium of escapism. That's why I think Lord of The Rings is gonna be a Dark World. A "Books" chapter seems practically guaranteed, and if you had to select ONE book that most encapsulates escapism......well you'd pick Alice in Wonderland. But if you had to pick a SECOND book, yeah definitely Lord of The Rings. LoTR paved the way for our modern idea of a high fantasy setting, it has religious undertones that make sense for the church chapter on Sunday, darkness is a big theme in LoTR, and the fact Lord of The Hammer has been mentioned by name makes me deeply suspicious that this is foreshadowing....... Also c'mon. Legolas Ralsei and Gimli (who uses an axe) Susie? That just writes itself. There's a line in Deltarune about how Gerson's best story ideas always came to him "in dreams". I'm POSITIVE this is actually implying Gerson would regularly go inside Dark Worlds, and THEY were the inspiration for his novels. I think for Lord of The Hammer what he was actually doing was creating the sort of high-fantasy universe that HE would love to explore, and then, he brought it to life and would go on adventures within the book. And then he'd go back into the real world and as the author, he would add or change stuff. Editing his book to alter the Dark World, and make it even cooler. I think the Gandalf parallel in that world is going to be Gerson. It seems fitting. Not the real Gerson, but his self-insert persona. However......There is a very real chance the real Gerson ISN'T actually dead. Perhaps everyone THOUGHT he was dead because Gerson disappeared mysteriously one day, because he went inside his book and never returned. Whether that be because he was so enthralled by this fantasy world that he chose not to, or because something trapped him there.
@@qwertykins76 it is a questionable theory. You could tie anything into escapism if you tried hard enough; the bunker/shelter being a potential dark world already makes it bizarre unless it turns into a pun on literally escaping from disaster. Escapism was one of the main themes of chapter 2 and the tone of the game is fairly hearted. I think escapism will stop playing as big of a role later on as the other underlying theme of fate & free will take center stage.
One theory I heard regarding the song beneath the sea is that it’s connected to the bunker. After all, bunkers are obviously built underground, so perhaps Shyren was a red herring, and the song beneath the sea wasn’t actually her, but the sound of something coming from a particular bunker that is built beneath the sea, maybe the hum of a person or the rhythm of machines
People have actually found assets for chapters eight through ten in the files, so there might be more potential than we're expecting. There's also assets for a chapter zero, which if anything, would be some sort of bonus content unlocked through the weird routes. Probably the place where the crazy things regarding Gaster and Kris's relationship with the Soul will be dealt with. A conceptual place outside the main narrative, where the fourth wall doesn't apply, not because it's broken, but because the action is happening on the audience's side, with the actual story the characters came from staying behind as a mere backdrop, if that metaphor makes any sense.
9:29 at the very start of the game, "QC" is one of the names that triggers a unique response from Gaster (along with Kris' classmates and the characters from Undertale). Even if the diner itself won't be particularly important, I think the character might be.
it seems like there’s a pattern with the dark worlds being metaphors for escapism and thus their respective objects being forms of it (games, computers, television). if they follow this pattern, it makes a lot of sense for a church and bunker to follow, given that religion is used a lot to help cope with shitty life circumstances and the bunker is… a bunker. its whole point is to escape into safety from danger
You talked about the roaring on chapter 5 but you seem to have forgotten that it happens when there are to many fountains, it might have multiple in the chapter. Besides even if i personally don't see the roaring so early, i expect there to be multiple fountains per chapter at some point. Maybe even a secret one hjust for the secret boss of that chapter, with you having to collect something from each fountain to fight him.
I’m surprised that when you talked about the potential for a water level, you didn’t mention the River Person in Undertale, who has a chance of saying the line “Did you ever hear the old song coming from the sea?” and Onionsan in Deltarune actively mentions that he’s heard the song BEFORE which could relate to that OLD song
Something interesting to note: each of the secret bosses so far has had some theming related to a carnival ride (merry-go-round, rollercoaster) if this pattern continues i think we may see them return in some way for the carnival
0:40 I have no idea where the scallop you heard this, it's always been confirmed that there will be seven. You might have been confused about the release, cuz we were originally gonna get chapters 3-5 at once and then 6-7 afterwards. Edit: Okay so it turns out this is not 100% accurate, the post only stated that his next "goal" was to release 3-5, which still implies that there will be further chapters. I wonder if his reluctance to tell us how many chapters there are might mean there could actually be more than seven, but who knows lol
For Asgore losing his Job as Chef of Police, I think he ended up following bad evidence that lead to many false claims as Asgore was pressure further to find Dess and and solve the case, with Noelle mother firing him for being incompetent of finding her Daughter. Toriel left likely due to self destructive behaviour effecting her and the kids, Asgore self-worth is something he always seem to have problems with as making bad choice due to him believing he doesn't deserve respect after failing to find Dess would make a lot of sense.
With Noel and Rudy I don’t think they’ll get their little fantastical adventure. An idea I’ve had for a long time is that if Rudy were to ever end up in a dark world, his disease would change him. Turning him into some kind of beast taken over by his disease, corrupted and barely hanging on. We then have to defeat him and in turn curing him. Maybe Asgore could also be there to help him cause I think that would be fun. We’ve seen already that things in a dark world at the point of creation become a part of it (cards, checkers, plushies, computer stuff, etc). I think it would be a really interesting thing to explore. And maybe once he’s free he can save Dess
Really do love the ideas for flower king, especially seeing more of asgore. And even a small easter egg for flowey would be interesting. Something else about the secret bosses though, is that jevil and spamton relate to genocide bosses, in reverse, jevil very much being compared to sans when chapter 1 came out, and spamton neo being a very obvious nod to mettaton neo. So possibly chapter 3 could have a secret boss themed around undyne the undying.
@@bookmarkobjectanimations123 I didn't see anyone comparing the two before chapter 2. The fact that Spamton NEO was such a obvious reference to Mettaton NEO make people believe that Jevil was maybe a reference too.
@@sheogorath6834 I guess on a character level they're both very clown-y on the surface but hiding/denying a darker part of themselves (depression/insanity/vague medium awareness). And the fights, though different, are both hard a f lol.
When hearing about predictions for the ending, I always think back on what Toby Fox said about it in a FAQ, that his inspiration for Deltarune comes from the ending of a game he dreamt up while in a fever dream. And how the sole reason he bothered to start making that game which he admits would take years of effort to complete, is because he wanted this ending to be made. Early concept art from 2014 shows that Kris, Susie and Ralsei were already thought up before undertale even came out. Makes you think whatever Toby Fox saw in that dream, the fun gang was there already conceptualized, in this ending.
While I like the idea of gaster being tied to the bunker my pet theory is that the bunker is an entrance to the underground, as in where undertale took place. Not the same one, I think delta rune is an alternate reality. What I believe is that the war being humans and monsters did happen in deltarune and this time it was the humans who were locked up. A couple decades if not hundreds of years later kris somehow escapes and is adopted by the dreamurs, the reason why it hasn’t been mentioned by anyone is cus the war is treated like a horrible atrocity like the holocaust and who’s going to bring up something that they fee indirectly guilty about to a victim of that situation. Just my personal theory idk if it will come true
Toby says our choices dont matter but clearly if you do the weird route, your choices have a very big effect. So my interpretation is no matter what path you take the end result will ultimately be the same
*warning: a debatably philosophical and comprehensible rant ahead that is ether severely out of place or right where it belong's* well they do matter, but in that case it's more of a contextual change that would make it all hit harder, the player put's in so much effort, make's kris loose so much to get a bad ending, only to be left with the same conclusion, if not a bit more hollow, they waste their time hoping that everyone is wrong, there's is something, choices do matter, & you do so much wrong, refuse to listen, do the bad thing's, act like an ass, and expect to be rewarded for acting like a bad person, all for what, just to see what would happen, to prove the power's above wrong, there is only one ending, you'r choices don't matter, and yet you'r first instinct is to be the bad guy, did you even try to get a good one, even if in a game this is still applicable to the real world in a way, there is one ending, and it's called death, if there is only 1 ending why make people miserable, why make them sad, what point will that prove, but what satisfaction will that give you when you reach the same ending, who would you have left, what point would you be proving, so why do that when you can make other's less miserable, help other's, make a legacy people can enjoy, have a positive influence on the world around you, there's no point that can be made, there's no one to prove wrong, there's one ending, so why make your action's harmful when you can make the journey for other's better, and your's along with it.
imagine in one of the chapters there's a town hall fountain, and when you enter it the game turns into a city building sim or map strategy game (or at least contains those elements as puzzles) Or maybe they could be used like a mechanic in the final battle, like in the queen fight
While I agree that ICE-E and the Cafe might not make for very expansive Dark Worlds, I do feel like there's potential for them as a combined experience. One of my theories on the later chapters is that we're eventually going to have a chapter with multiple Dark Worlds, and you can go between them by going through the Light World. This would expand on how you can go in and out of Castle Town at the end of chapter two. These two would be perfect for related (both food/restaurant themed), but still distinct Dark Worlds.
My big hope going forward is for berdly to be more than just a one off character. He’s appeared more in the newsletters then the other lightener sidecharacters, and exploring the consequences of the weird route through him either joining the party in the normal route and him being “saved” by one of the secret bosses and used like how the NEO schematics were used by Spamton. I really liked him being the annoying but fun side character and his character never “grew” it just flipped to the opposite end of the annoying spectrum by trying to be dumb instead of smart.
Idea for the church chapter: -Noelle dad dies, there is funeral in which either: 1: Noelle runs away into the forest 2: they go from graveyard Then it transfers to the church, where Noele runs away to some special room - Noelle and the gang are transferred to the Dark world -this dark world would have 3 themes that will be changing which will represent us traveling from either forest->graveyard->church or church->graveyard->forest -Forest will either have hunting theme, chase theme, or simple wild theme with maybe horror theme -graveyard will have normal Halloween theme, or undead theme -church will either be horror church theme if it will be last part or be holly place if it will be a place where we start -we will meet Noelle lost sister in either forest and she will partially join like Suzie in chapter 1 or she will only partially appear and quickly hide when we start in the church and fully meet her when reaching the forest -Noelle dead/dying father will appear in Graveyard chapter, he might be in the grave and unable to leave and we will open his coffin, or he will be undead. We might also meet other already dead characters there -After we solve the Dark fountain we will have an epilogue with us sitting at the graveyard with some deep conversations etc. and Toriel might drive to the church to pick us up, or we would travel to the lake where Azriel could come back and meet us, which would then transfer to us going to Azgor flower shop
I kind of believe that fountain themes have a lot to do with the recurring theme of a medium for entertainment that we as humans have created Chapter 1 = Board games Chapter 2 = Internet Chapter 3 = Television In a way, these worlds offer escapism the same way they do for us in real life, and our Light World characters often escape to them instead of other responsibilities (ie getting the chalk or working on a school project) That being said, I feel like your points for a Water themed dark world and the Church make a lot of sense when you view them as being themed around Music and Books respectively! Hard to say for certain though Also while I totally agree that the double doors in the flower shop HAS to signify a potential dark world, I have been hung up on the idea of how flowers relates to this theme. I know gardening is a big hobby for many, but it does seem a bit more thematically off than the others. Maybe there's something in that room we don't know about yet? Like how the computer lab in the library was something we couldn't access before it became a dark world?
Religion could definitely be considered as a form of escapism. But this wouldn’t make sense, remembering certain things Toby took out of chapter 1 because he didn’t want the game to be political. Originally, in the clover fight, I believe there were options to talk religion, talk gun control, etc
@@treeboy7282 I definitely agree with this, that religion is a form of escapism. Although I also do think there's a more definite theme here of definitive mediums (ie board games, internet, television) while religion is certainly broad. That's also why I'm stumped on the whole flower thing since that seems a bit broader too?
@24:30-.-I think it would be funny if it starts out like a normal dark world, but then after you meet a carnival themed character they immediately turn to stone because the roaring is happening. I imagine this would confuse Susie quite a bit.
i would love a dark world adventure with asriel, kris, sans and papyrus as a chapter that focuses on the raltionship between kris and asriel as siblings. Sans also says that kris could meet papyrus around the time when kriss brother is in town
I think another place a fountain could be is the police-taped-off woods next to the police station. there's a lot of theories that this is where dess went missing, and it could be interesting to have a fountain there to explore that (maybe in place of the flower shop or church?? those both feel like definites though)
Currently lacking sleep so this might a bit long. While I don’t believe that Ralsei himself is evil in any way, there could be something that happens in his dark world, maybe an epilogue or final chapter. An aspect I haven’t seen brought up is why exactly does Ralsei not want us to his room. A reveal could happen, not really sure what though. This is a smaller thing, but we got to remember that “Mr. Society” (the bishop piece from the first chapter) left castle town. While played as a joke, I wouldn’t put it off for Toby to play this off in a later chapter, either him coming back or Kris (either with a party or without) finding someway to go back up that cliff side and finding Mr. Society.
18:27 I do like both ideas that he could in the end die or he could be cured. But I think thats going to be a thing where we make a choice to either help him or not for some reason. Maybe not helping him will help find des or maybe it could be a case of "save one or the other". You cant forget this game will most likely have multiple endings
Something I hope happens is an undertale-style battle in the overworld, as in a fountain you have all the deltarune ui but in the overworld you have the undertale ui, just something I hope for but I won't hold my breath for it.
@26:41-.-It is possible that during the roaring all previous dark worlds will manifest in some state. This would make any carnival and circus elements in any other dark world less redundant, as "carnival" could be the theme that connect them all, which has implications of what could be in the chapter 3 dark world.
Here are some of my predictions Dark worlds (in no order): Tv world Flower world Church world Bunker world Sans and Papyrus house world, for funnys I also belive that Papyrus gets introduced as a new student at some point Seam being the final secret boss would be fun and intresting
I like the idea of Seam being a neutral party in this. I have no idea what their deal is, or what role they'll have in the larger game? But I'm curious to learn more!
one theory i thought of while watching this video, though it's extremely specific and i admit it's very unlikely: in a future chapter, it's going to be revealed that when lightners spend too long in dark worlds, they start to be split across realities like gaster was when he "fell into his creation" (i seriously doubt this line from undertale is referring to the core since it's just a big geothermal generator. falling into it would have just incinerated gaster, not done any weird multiverse shenanigans). then it's going to be revealed that the doors south of town lead to a dark world that's existed for god knows how long (perhaps ralsei could even be from there), and that dess fell down there and the strange text people have found in the files of chapter 1 and 2 has been dess screaming out into the void and we in real life heard her cries for help. also i think a future chapter, possibly the final one, will bring back the lore detail undertale established about human and monster souls becoming extremely powerful when mixed together.
My guess is that the game will have a main set ending, but will require multiple playthroughs to see the true ending. We've already seen that each of the three SAVES has it's differences, we know that there's a series of long term collectables like the eggs and shadow crystals. We also know Toby has, at least with Undertale, shown that you don't always get the true ending right away, even if you finish a playthrough. You may have to start a new save with a finished save parallel to it, go back with prior knowledge (or perhaps bring items/characters back from the "future" with a reset to the start of the game). With the allusions to WDGaster involved, and the inclusion of the weird route in Chapter 2, and in UT how the Pacifist/true ending changes if you did a prior Genocide - not to mention the various themes/elements of time/dimensions not only in DR/UT, but in side content like the sweepstakes, not to mention the potential gold mine that is Skies Forever Blue (the collab song Toby Fox made with themes of corrupted game saves/glitches and time travel) - I full am on board with the idea that the contents of earlier chapters may change, perhaps minor perhaps massively, if you've completed a playthrough or have a finished game save in another slot. Ralsei also seems to know more than they let on - seemingly aware of the player themselves, which also suggests that Ralsei is trying to push things in such a way that let them manipulate Kris the same way we'd manipulate characters like Noelle. There's a clear end goal, or perhaps Ralsei has been through this game's cycle so much that they take on the equated role of Flowey - someone who manipulated the timeline before our interference. Maybe they're not as violent as Flowey, maybe they are and are trying something different or know the best approach to manipulating us is through kindness. This would explain his knowledge of the "Prophecy", his peculiar actions/responses, Kris' reaction to their tea, heck even the parallel of both Flowey and Ralsei being the ones to introduce the battle mechanics of the game, including button controls. They know what a SAVE is, but pretend not to later on. I agree with your general chapter structure - 3 being the character dissection of Toriel, the introduction of Alyphs and Undyne, 4 being church themed and exploring themes of grief or loss with Rudy and Gerson (who's gravestone may end up animating in his image with the help of the stories in his books kept at the Church). But I disagree with 5. I don't think Asriel will return until either chapter 6 or 7. Instead, we'll see a retrospect into the fall Asgore had, compare and contrast with the mayor - Noelle's mom - who is likely the one enforcing the overdue rent we see mention of in the flower shop. This could explore themes of duty, Asgore not taking care of himself after failing to find Dess as the Police Chief and his fall from grace and failed marriage - meanwhile the same sense of duty and failure could be explored in Noelle's mom, who likely buried herself in her work and became more stern/strict in response to the loss of Dess - and how the two butt heads for emotionally processing the same situation differently, both meanwhile dealing with some kind of estranged marriage. We know that Asgore & Rudy have had a relationship of some kind prior due to the christmas dialogues on the site, and this might play into it as well - maybe allowing the two to connect as both might care deeply for Rudy and feel similarly about his failing health. This chapter could take place in the Flower Shop, or the Mayor's office, and it'd work well in either. If it did take place in the Flower Shop, it could tie into the "water level" of the beach to a degree, but that's just a spit take. I do like the idea that the incoming festival will play crucial part into the Roaring. I suspect that the Roaring will begin shortly before or after Asriel's return, and we'll begin to fully grasp who the Knight is supposed to be (Asriel? Gaster? The Unused Vessel? Kris? Who?). Overall, I am hyped up for the releases of chapter 3 and 4, and can't WAIT until we see more.
I think the bunker is going to be a fountain. It could even be where Dess is! My reasoning for this is that I think it might have a connection to Gaster, and Gaster is ALWAYS seemingly present and his motifs and scraps in undertale could be related. I think he ties the games somewhat together!
You know when a person enters a dark world their outfit and looks change I would love if asriel enters a dark world and becomes flowey but good as he said
Out of all the chapters that haven't released yet (besides 3) 4 being the church is the one I have been the most confident about being right for all the reasons you brought up, but also because chess theory would say that chapter 4 would be the Biship as the villain.
If you don't mind me adding some points, I've got a few ideas. I'm sure that most of what I'm going to say is a bit redundant, but I wanted to put it out there just in case. First, in regards to Fountains being made only in places with double doors --- the front entrance of Toriel's house is not a double door, and I think it's pretty safe to say that Ch 3 will take place in the house. Not only that, but both doors to the Card Kingdom (main classroom entrance & door connecting to the closet) aren't double doors in the Light World either, and theoretically someone could have entered that dark world directly through the classroom door instead of the closet door like we do. I don't think that this point really detracts from the main points of the fountain location theories, but it's worth noting that we shouldn't discredit locations just because they don't have the right door style. Second, as far as using a fantasy-substitute for religion in a church-based Fountain, I don't think that's likely or necessary. Already both Undertale and Deltarune have had some significant religious themes. Hell, the main plot of Deltarune is to "banish the Angle's Heaven", with imagery of angels (Noelle), demons/devils (Jevil, Gaster), and prophets (Spamton). Toby uses general religious motifs/imagery constantly, and thus I don't think it's too far a stretch to say that there could be a Fountain in the church/graveyard that focuses on the Angel, Knight, or other. Again, I'm sure that most of the points I've made are kinda repetitive or unnecessary, but I think it's good to consider at the very least.
I always assumed that we would get a group project duo in each chapter. Ch1 had kris&suzie, ch2 had noelle&berdly, it would be strange to miss out on catti&jockington and monsterkid&snowy and temmie&egg(s). I'd put catti&jockington in the church, since catti & kris did occult shit together. Monsterkid&snowy would fit in the TV world since snowy is into stand-up comedy and monsterkid is just a Big Fan of Things which works great in a TV setting (and would make it easy to disprove this theory if they don't show up lol).
I think the thing about the duos is right, but Monster Kid & Snowy and Temmie & Eggs is sooo boring. Ch 3 I guess will be Undyne and Toriel. Ch 4 might be Catti & Jockington Other duos I Can think of are Asgore & Alphys, Rudy & Alvin and Asriel & Des
@@nautil_us i mean, the only duo I really can’t see is Temmie and Eggs, because of the nature of the character. It’s literally just a shit post character
I was so mad when in chapter 2 when Sans said I wouldn't get to meet Papyrus. I internally cried and tried to talk to Sans about him and knocked on his and Papyrus's door multiple times. You saying that the Skelebros might have a bigger role later in the story should not have made me internally cry from happiness but I guess I'm just obsessed and desperate and crazy. I hope you're right about that because I really want to talk to them again. Idk i just want hope.
@15:18-.-It is possible that hometown works like Japan, and they just don't have Saturday off of for school. There is going to be a "town fair", and Japan is known for their festivals, and since the game is being localized for Japanese, it could be possible that hometown is meant to have both Eastern and western elements? I'm just bawling, but just a thought that comes to mind. I can't rule it off the table.
@@hardy6876-.-Agreed, it is kind of a stretch, but it's an idea that popped up in my head occasionally, and it might be good to table it and keep it in mind going into future chapters, just in case. Plus, it would be funny if "the whole town turns into some sort of carnival" is just Susie's understanding of a Japanese cultural festival, or at least I would think that was funny. I don't know, It's kind of just brain rot kicking in, but I still feel compelled to share.
I kind of hope that the bunker doors act like the door where you fight glyde does. In that when you beat the game the door will open (whether Toby has us dodging credits again or not) and reveal yet another developer room, or something fun like that. I think it is just a red herring for the story though.
i really like these theories, i’ll probably come back to write some more of my own but for nowi just wanna say that i like how this video is done. i feel like a lot of people dont focus on overall narrative and instead just predict things that they think would be cool
also, the names that the game responds to in the vessel creation, they're for characters that have their faces in the dialogue box, they are important in some way and the water fountain would make sense cause we know kris has a story with oceans and there is a sound named ocean.ogg connected to him i heared some theories about the gaster bunker could lead to a factory underground where he's residing one final thing, an ice fountain could make sense if you considered ice is real thanks to the sweepstakes, and he could be a recreation of omega flowey also because toby made a gumball machine with photoshop and put it in the sweepstakes for some reason wich could be used in ice's model that's all
@19:29-.-I think I agree with your assessment that the waterworld is on the bottom of the prediction list. On that note, since Deltarune is clearly shaping to have themes of escapism vs accepting reality, I think it's likely that a variety of NPCs are supposed to have the own little arcs to give the message of how reality can be just as interesting as fiction, if you're willing to look into it. Catty and Bratty are the second most obvious example, since we get implications of their relationship progressing through their dialogue, but Onion-son is the most obvious example, due to reasons you've already mentioned in this video. So I think it's likely that Onion-son will form the band they've been wanting to form, with Shyren being a part of said band, and we'll see them play during the end credits. It just seems too thematically appropriate not to do it.
One thing I'm surprised you haven't predicted is stuff involving Ralsei, I don't trust Ralsei. Funny fluffy boy but he's definitely letting on more than what he knows. Ever since ch2 I realised his role could play more nefariously within the story and I think toby was setting up seeds to make you question what his actual intentions are. I'm suspecting over time he's going to backstab Kris, Susie, etc. or have his actual intentions shown once Asriel becomes a bigger role.
29:50 We've actually already seen QC in both games AND the diner! She is the purple bunny who was the shopkeeper in Snowdin, and she is seen as an overworld sprite at the diner's register that you can talk to in Deltarune.
I personally think the lake will be a little more important than we know. Gerson is going to get attention I feel, your idea with the church having a fountain based on his novels is interesting, and in Undertale, he was an explorer. Let's not forget that hi big gimmick in Undertale was that he was a TORTOISE, often a very long living species of animals. It's very possible that he saw a LOT of things in his lifetime, including the founding of Hometown itself. To that end, it wouldn't surprise me that in learning more about Gerson's life and his novels, that we'd ALSO learn more about Hometown. Maybe we'd learn about something that's hidden underneath the waves of the lake, or deep in the forest that may relate to Dess' disappearance. Perhaps he'd have known a thing or two about the bunker, or about what certain inhabitants of Hometown have done in their lives. Basically I'm saying: I believe Gerson is a catalyst for the history of Hometown, telling us about things that living characters wouldn't or couldn't tell us themselves. Also, on the topic of the lake again, I'm glad you pointed out that Shyren was in the hospital during chapter 2. Would they really have hinted at some sort of singing and proceeded to put the one character known for being a singer about as far away from where the singing was at the same time? Like sure, maybe it was her, but I think it's more likely that Onionsan had heard something else. Especially since it's familiar to him somehow, which he relates to the ocean.
@@hardy6876 Nah, the purple bunny who gives the cocoa is most likely QC, her sprite in the code is called spr_npc_qc (Sprite > NPC > QC) Presumably she's the same shopkeeper as the one in Snowdin in Undertale, but the lighting in her shop in Undertale makes it hard to tell if she's purple there too.
i think that eventually we’ll get to explore Noelle’s house, see Dess’s old room and meet Noelle’s mother who is probably named Carol Holiday. personally i hope that Noelle has a lot of siblings named after the other reindeer that drives Santa’s sleigh which would also warrant living in a gated mansion aside from her mother being the town’s mayor. and if Noelle’s mom isn’t the mayor, my money is on it being a polar bear or ice monster of some sort.
Chapter 2's opening was supposed to be subverted by chapter 2's ending. The reveal that Kris ate the pie comes across as a joke, until you realize they also plugged in the tv inbetween chapters and at the end of the chapter 2 they open a fountain, clearly planning well in advance.
I agree with your theories for Chapter 4 being in the church. My idea, and many others’ ideas as well, for the Chapter 3 secret boss is Asgore’s flowers, because the trash can IS pretty close to the TV and the secret boss fights usually take place in the trash areas of the Dark World, with Jevil’s taking place in the box of unused cards, and Spamton’s taking place in the main computer’s trash bin. So, having this knowledge in mind, the secret boss of Chapter 3 would likely be the trashed flowers, and the lead up could be a loose wire leading into the trash can. Then, for Chapter 4’s secret boss, I’d say it would be the hero of Gerson’s stories, because they share the same forgotten theme as the rest of them and Father Alvin might have thrown Gerson’s books in the church’s giveaway boxes to ease the grieving process. The reason why Gerson’s hero would not be the main villain is because I believe the chess theory to be true, and so Chapter 3’s villain would be the rook/TV remote, and Chapter 4’s villain would be a holy figure of some kind, obviously tying into the bishop stuff. But hey, that’s just my theory! Let me know yours in the replies!
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I would like to say that your predictions for the church were based on how Christian churches work, but Alvin specifically says that forgiveness isnt a thing in their religion, making it definitely not Christianity. If i had to guess, the church in deltarune is for a nonspecific religion with nonspecific practices, that may vaguely resemble Christian traditions. Idrk tho 🤷♀️
(Also, not looking for any kind of debate or anything, i just wanted to point it out because some of your predictions were based on assumptions about the in game religion, that i feel may have been a bit flawed)
I wonder if the endings aren’t red herrings after all. Kris without their heart seems to have their own premeditated plan. Consider this. He eats all the pie at the end of the first game. What is the thing that entices Suzy to stay over at the end of Chapter 2? Making a new pie. The next thing Kris does is slash his mom’s tires to keep her from taking Suzy home. I could be completely off base but it seems like there’s a plan here.
* I think it's really unlikely, but I desparately want a dark world in the double doors of the freezer at Sans' shop, just because I think Sans going "oh, whoops. how'd that get there?" to a blatantly obvious dark fountain would be so funny
it could also be an ominous opening for a mini dark world, even if just for 1 boss or 1 boss and a p-2 like gauntlet,
a world completely drowned in snow, made just for one more dual
seeing sans goofing of about it would be interesting, but seeing it as a boss it could be a cool way to have a secret final boss,
maybe the boss depend's on the routes taken,
no weird and you get something like the god of hyperdeath, with sans goofing of
some and you get something akin to omega flowey or asgore, with a very nutral sans
and if all are done, we have a confrontation with sans like old time's
or maybe even papyrus ready to lecture the player on the player's action's, how escapism can be dangerous, and to not overly indulge in fantasy, as this can lead to you hurting other people even if you like them, pushing them away, by pressuring other's, ruining thing's for other's and more
doing the game like normal when with a new character (noelle in ch2) is like what susie did while with lancer, becoming close to them, before they have to leave, but the weird route is the opposite of that, by indulging in the fantasy of a "what if...".
this idea make's me wonder if every weird route will be about a different trait of a toxic friendship, snow-grave is pressuring, and ch3 may be about ruining something for everyone,
and how fitting would it be for all of this to be said by papyrus, the character altered most by the undertale fandom, flanderised to be a pun hating, somewhat dumb, overly innocent and spaghetti obsessed skeleton, to be so brutally like their original character, a not so innocent, pun making, skeleton who want's to be a knight, so attack's the main character.
im probably reaching but i like the idea's i'v proposed, sorry if this reply annoy's you by being to out there it's just this is the way my train of thought went turning a short comment into a long one.
@windowswhistler5516 yeah
"thats just where i sleep. dont worry about it"
the best part is that this would probably be not that difficult to think of darkner ideas for
God I’m so excited for the rest of Deltarune. It’s insane how tight of a chokehold Toby has on all of us to keep us invested and hyped for this long
Right? I'm still just as excited about the future of this game as I was 5 year ago, maybe even more so. Can't name any other game that has held my attention and hype so consistently over long draughts of content / updates.
@StarryxNight5 Yeah, it's pretty crazy when you think about it. It really doesn't feel like that long ago, time flies.
29:21 Kris, Susie, and Noelle has the "YOU ARE ABOUT TO MEET SOMEONE VERY, VERY WONDERFUL." from the creator name.
It would be nice to meet Kris. Poor kid gets possessed by a bunch of weirdos.
I feel like they’re building up for a big reveal that Dess has been stuck in a dark world this whole time, unable to leave. That’s why nobody has found her, I believe the location of this dark world may be in the bunker as it seems to be in the middle of the forest where many believe Dess to have been lost in, and the existence of a dark world that’s been around for a long time and created by someone unknown could be a great reveal.
Maybe it’d be somehow connected to the school closet one, given that’s the ‘main one’, and another one than that can’t exist long and be stable, while its existence is just fine
@@birdup1_2The stability of other Fountains as far as we know is perfectly fine. The thing that becomes unstable from more than one is the barrier between Dark and Light. Two Fountains is clearly shown to not hold much strain, so maybe three isn’t the breaking point either
@@birdup1_2 there is a room next to the closet and we've never been in it...
I feel like the characters that would be most significant for Deltarune going forward are the ones with unique text sounds and portrait sprites. Berdly, Noelle and Susie have all of those, and were big parts of the game. It wouldn’t be that big of a stretch to think Alphys, Rudy, Toriel, or Asgore are probably likely to appear in at least one of the chapters.
My thoughts exactly. The undertale characters obviously have these because they were already created for undertale, but Rudy’s were uniquely created for Deltarune, so I think that means he will definitely play a very big part.
Some of the other school students, like catti and jockington also have sprites.
I really want Mettaton to be a bigger character in this game. It would be fitting for him to be in chapter 3 but who knows.
In Chapter 2, he asks Kris to bring him some music to listen to in Chapter 3 IIRC.
It's possible he's a tv star in this world, meaning he could (maybe) be in a tv themed dark world
Of note: Lord of The Hammer pretty clearly alludes to Lord of The Rings. Tolkien was well-known as a devout Catholic and LoTR has a lot of religious undertones in the background. So sticking it in with the church makes sense.
All the Dark Worlds seem like they will follow a theme---they are fictional mediums in which we use imagination to engage in escapism. It seems that Dark Worlds don't necessarily create a world so much as take an already existing fictional world and make it real. So you would EXPECT a chapter based on books. Tolkien is basically the father of modern fantasy, it makes sense to have a Dark World based on his works. So I think the church chapter will count as the books/literature chapter with it primarily taking place in a Dark World based on Lord of The Rings high fantasy, with the villain inhabiting in a Mordor-like land of darkness.
I hadn’t connected the dots about how each location is a form of escapism (toys, internet/pc, tv, fantasy stories)
@chicken0w044 Yeah well from what I can tell, it sorta seems like Dark Worlds are just worlds that already existed in someone's imagination, then the Dark Fountain makes them real and gives them life, sorta like how the DT Extractor gave Flowey life. So for example, if you exposed a toy to a Dark Fountain but that toy was factory-new, I don't think it would do anything, or at least that toy wouldn't become a very complex being. But a toy that's been played with, that a person perhaps gave a name or a backstory to, that has memories associated with it..... Those are what the Dark Fountain brings to life the most. They take the escapist fantasy you had and make it reality.
So if that's true, then Toby is probably themeing every chapter after a different medium of escapism. That's why I think Lord of The Rings is gonna be a Dark World. A "Books" chapter seems practically guaranteed, and if you had to select ONE book that most encapsulates escapism......well you'd pick Alice in Wonderland. But if you had to pick a SECOND book, yeah definitely Lord of The Rings. LoTR paved the way for our modern idea of a high fantasy setting, it has religious undertones that make sense for the church chapter on Sunday, darkness is a big theme in LoTR, and the fact Lord of The Hammer has been mentioned by name makes me deeply suspicious that this is foreshadowing....... Also c'mon. Legolas Ralsei and Gimli (who uses an axe) Susie? That just writes itself.
There's a line in Deltarune about how Gerson's best story ideas always came to him "in dreams". I'm POSITIVE this is actually implying Gerson would regularly go inside Dark Worlds, and THEY were the inspiration for his novels. I think for Lord of The Hammer what he was actually doing was creating the sort of high-fantasy universe that HE would love to explore, and then, he brought it to life and would go on adventures within the book. And then he'd go back into the real world and as the author, he would add or change stuff. Editing his book to alter the Dark World, and make it even cooler.
I think the Gandalf parallel in that world is going to be Gerson. It seems fitting. Not the real Gerson, but his self-insert persona. However......There is a very real chance the real Gerson ISN'T actually dead. Perhaps everyone THOUGHT he was dead because Gerson disappeared mysteriously one day, because he went inside his book and never returned. Whether that be because he was so enthralled by this fantasy world that he chose not to, or because something trapped him there.
@katherinesmallbean3594 Yo hold up that kinda makes sense actually
@@qwertykins76 it is a questionable theory. You could tie anything into escapism if you tried hard enough; the bunker/shelter being a potential dark world already makes it bizarre unless it turns into a pun on literally escaping from disaster.
Escapism was one of the main themes of chapter 2 and the tone of the game is fairly hearted. I think escapism will stop playing as big of a role later on as the other underlying theme of fate & free will take center stage.
5:21 can I just say genuinely exceptional image of toby there in an entirely nonsarcastic way he looks phenomenal
One theory I heard regarding the song beneath the sea is that it’s connected to the bunker. After all, bunkers are obviously built underground, so perhaps Shyren was a red herring, and the song beneath the sea wasn’t actually her, but the sound of something coming from a particular bunker that is built beneath the sea, maybe the hum of a person or the rhythm of machines
People have actually found assets for chapters eight through ten in the files, so there might be more potential than we're expecting.
There's also assets for a chapter zero, which if anything, would be some sort of bonus content unlocked through the weird routes. Probably the place where the crazy things regarding Gaster and Kris's relationship with the Soul will be dealt with. A conceptual place outside the main narrative, where the fourth wall doesn't apply, not because it's broken, but because the action is happening on the audience's side, with the actual story the characters came from staying behind as a mere backdrop, if that metaphor makes any sense.
9:29 at the very start of the game, "QC" is one of the names that triggers a unique response from Gaster (along with Kris' classmates and the characters from Undertale). Even if the diner itself won't be particularly important, I think the character might be.
pretty freaking weird how ralsei doesnt warrant a response from gaster yet QC does.
was qc like gaster's wife or something
@@saurie2466gaster is racist against darkners
The Church and the Bunker are the two I'm guessing for Fountains :)
it seems like there’s a pattern with the dark worlds being metaphors for escapism and thus their respective objects being forms of it (games, computers, television). if they follow this pattern, it makes a lot of sense for a church and bunker to follow, given that religion is used a lot to help cope with shitty life circumstances and the bunker is… a bunker. its whole point is to escape into safety from danger
The end of the world being set at a carnival is such an anime thing that I can totally see Toby doing lol
You talked about the roaring on chapter 5 but you seem to have forgotten that it happens when there are to many fountains, it might have multiple in the chapter. Besides even if i personally don't see the roaring so early, i expect there to be multiple fountains per chapter at some point. Maybe even a secret one hjust for the secret boss of that chapter, with you having to collect something from each fountain to fight him.
Hopping between multiple fountains in 1 chapter could be cool!
I had this idea too but part of me feels like Toby might keep it to 7 to continue the theme of there being 7 things. Could be wrong but who knows
I’m surprised that when you talked about the potential for a water level, you didn’t mention the River Person in Undertale, who has a chance of saying the line “Did you ever hear the old song coming from the sea?” and Onionsan in Deltarune actively mentions that he’s heard the song BEFORE which could relate to that OLD song
Something interesting to note: each of the secret bosses so far has had some theming related to a carnival ride (merry-go-round, rollercoaster) if this pattern continues i think we may see them return in some way for the carnival
0:40 I have no idea where the scallop you heard this, it's always been confirmed that there will be seven. You might have been confused about the release, cuz we were originally gonna get chapters 3-5 at once and then 6-7 afterwards.
Edit: Okay so it turns out this is not 100% accurate, the post only stated that his next "goal" was to release 3-5, which still implies that there will be further chapters. I wonder if his reluctance to tell us how many chapters there are might mean there could actually be more than seven, but who knows lol
For Asgore losing his Job as Chef of Police, I think he ended up following bad evidence that lead to many false claims as Asgore was pressure further to find Dess and and solve the case, with Noelle mother firing him for being incompetent of finding her Daughter. Toriel left likely due to self destructive behaviour effecting her and the kids, Asgore self-worth is something he always seem to have problems with as making bad choice due to him believing he doesn't deserve respect after failing to find Dess would make a lot of sense.
With Noel and Rudy I don’t think they’ll get their little fantastical adventure.
An idea I’ve had for a long time is that if Rudy were to ever end up in a dark world, his disease would change him. Turning him into some kind of beast taken over by his disease, corrupted and barely hanging on. We then have to defeat him and in turn curing him. Maybe Asgore could also be there to help him cause I think that would be fun.
We’ve seen already that things in a dark world at the point of creation become a part of it (cards, checkers, plushies, computer stuff, etc).
I think it would be a really interesting thing to explore. And maybe once he’s free he can save Dess
Really do love the ideas for flower king, especially seeing more of asgore. And even a small easter egg for flowey would be interesting.
Something else about the secret bosses though, is that jevil and spamton relate to genocide bosses, in reverse, jevil very much being compared to sans when chapter 1 came out, and spamton neo being a very obvious nod to mettaton neo. So possibly chapter 3 could have a secret boss themed around undyne the undying.
I really don't see how Jevil "relate to Sans", the two have nothing to do with each other.
@@sheogorath6834 didn't stop almost everyone trying to compare the two when chapter one came out
@@bookmarkobjectanimations123 I didn't see anyone comparing the two before chapter 2.
The fact that Spamton NEO was such a obvious reference to Mettaton NEO make people believe that Jevil was maybe a reference too.
@@sheogorath6834 I guess on a character level they're both very clown-y on the surface but hiding/denying a darker part of themselves (depression/insanity/vague medium awareness). And the fights, though different, are both hard a f lol.
I suppose if the TV world is on Saturday, it will have some aspect somewhere based on "Saturday morning cartoons".
When hearing about predictions for the ending, I always think back on what Toby Fox said about it in a FAQ, that his inspiration for Deltarune comes from the ending of a game he dreamt up while in a fever dream. And how the sole reason he bothered to start making that game which he admits would take years of effort to complete, is because he wanted this ending to be made.
Early concept art from 2014 shows that Kris, Susie and Ralsei were already thought up before undertale even came out. Makes you think whatever Toby Fox saw in that dream, the fun gang was there already conceptualized, in this ending.
While I like the idea of gaster being tied to the bunker my pet theory is that the bunker is an entrance to the underground, as in where undertale took place. Not the same one, I think delta rune is an alternate reality. What I believe is that the war being humans and monsters did happen in deltarune and this time it was the humans who were locked up. A couple decades if not hundreds of years later kris somehow escapes and is adopted by the dreamurs, the reason why it hasn’t been mentioned by anyone is cus the war is treated like a horrible atrocity like the holocaust and who’s going to bring up something that they fee indirectly guilty about to a victim of that situation. Just my personal theory idk if it will come true
Toby says our choices dont matter but clearly if you do the weird route, your choices have a very big effect. So my interpretation is no matter what path you take the end result will ultimately be the same
@MirrormnOnly Susie
*warning: a debatably philosophical and comprehensible rant ahead that is ether severely out of place or right where it belong's*
well they do matter, but in that case it's more of a contextual change that would make it all hit harder, the player put's in so much effort, make's kris loose so much to get a bad ending, only to be left with the same conclusion, if not a bit more hollow, they waste their time hoping that everyone is wrong, there's is something, choices do matter, & you do so much wrong, refuse to listen, do the bad thing's, act like an ass, and expect to be rewarded for acting like a bad person,
all for what, just to see what would happen, to prove the power's above wrong,
there is only one ending, you'r choices don't matter, and yet you'r first instinct is to be the bad guy, did you even try to get a good one,
even if in a game this is still applicable to the real world in a way, there is one ending, and it's called death, if there is only 1 ending why make people miserable, why make them sad, what point will that prove, but what satisfaction will that give you when you reach the same ending, who would you have left, what point would you be proving, so why do that when you can make other's less miserable, help other's, make a legacy people can enjoy, have a positive influence on the world around you, there's no point that can be made, there's no one to prove wrong, there's one ending, so why make your action's harmful when you can make the journey for other's better, and your's along with it.
if you knew everyone on earth will die in 50 years due to an unstoppable event, would your choices up to that day matter?
If they do a church Dark World it'll 100% have a religious commentary considering Toby's background and i'm all in for it
imagine in one of the chapters there's a town hall fountain, and when you enter it the game turns into a city building sim or map strategy game (or at least contains those elements as puzzles) Or maybe they could be used like a mechanic in the final battle, like in the queen fight
While I agree that ICE-E and the Cafe might not make for very expansive Dark Worlds, I do feel like there's potential for them as a combined experience.
One of my theories on the later chapters is that we're eventually going to have a chapter with multiple Dark Worlds, and you can go between them by going through the Light World. This would expand on how you can go in and out of Castle Town at the end of chapter two. These two would be perfect for related (both food/restaurant themed), but still distinct Dark Worlds.
My big hope going forward is for berdly to be more than just a one off character. He’s appeared more in the newsletters then the other lightener sidecharacters, and exploring the consequences of the weird route through him either joining the party in the normal route and him being “saved” by one of the secret bosses and used like how the NEO schematics were used by Spamton. I really liked him being the annoying but fun side character and his character never “grew” it just flipped to the opposite end of the annoying spectrum by trying to be dumb instead of smart.
Idea for the church chapter:
-Noelle dad dies, there is funeral in which either:
1: Noelle runs away into the forest
2: they go from graveyard Then it transfers to the church, where Noele runs away to some special room
- Noelle and the gang are transferred to the Dark world
-this dark world would have 3 themes that will be changing which will represent us traveling from either forest->graveyard->church or church->graveyard->forest
-Forest will either have hunting theme, chase theme, or simple wild theme with maybe horror theme
-graveyard will have normal Halloween theme, or undead theme
-church will either be horror church theme if it will be last part or be holly place if it will be a place where we start
-we will meet Noelle lost sister in either forest and she will partially join like Suzie in chapter 1 or she will only partially appear and quickly hide when we start in the church and fully meet her when reaching the forest
-Noelle dead/dying father will appear in Graveyard chapter, he might be in the grave and unable to leave and we will open his coffin, or he will be undead. We might also meet other already dead characters there
-After we solve the Dark fountain we will have an epilogue with us sitting at the graveyard with some deep conversations etc. and Toriel might drive to the church to pick us up, or we would travel to the lake where Azriel could come back and meet us, which would then transfer to us going to Azgor flower shop
Hello again Greame! Glad you are still making videos. Just hang in there, I suspect that the channel will enter an era of prosperity in june.
I just wanted to mention this
7 chapters
7 mages
7 souls
1st secret boss:
Fought with the red soul
2nd secret boss:
Fought with the yellow soul
Didn't spamton want a soul so he could escape the dark world? If he already had a soul that doesn't make much sense
*The yellow soul
@@veradistheeggcat229 How do you even get the "already had a soul" part?
@@sheogorath6834They misunderstood it looks like lol
Isn't the soul yellow for the Spamton fight?
But the idea of having a different soul color for each secret boss is definitely interesting!
I kind of believe that fountain themes have a lot to do with the recurring theme of a medium for entertainment that we as humans have created
Chapter 1 = Board games
Chapter 2 = Internet
Chapter 3 = Television
In a way, these worlds offer escapism the same way they do for us in real life, and our Light World characters often escape to them instead of other responsibilities (ie getting the chalk or working on a school project)
That being said, I feel like your points for a Water themed dark world and the Church make a lot of sense when you view them as being themed around Music and Books respectively! Hard to say for certain though
Also while I totally agree that the double doors in the flower shop HAS to signify a potential dark world, I have been hung up on the idea of how flowers relates to this theme. I know gardening is a big hobby for many, but it does seem a bit more thematically off than the others. Maybe there's something in that room we don't know about yet? Like how the computer lab in the library was something we couldn't access before it became a dark world?
music/books definitely count as their own methods of escapism/entertainment so that might be where this is going
Religion could definitely be considered as a form of escapism. But this wouldn’t make sense, remembering certain things Toby took out of chapter 1 because he didn’t want the game to be political. Originally, in the clover fight, I believe there were options to talk religion, talk gun control, etc
@@treeboy7282 I definitely agree with this, that religion is a form of escapism. Although I also do think there's a more definite theme here of definitive mediums (ie board games, internet, television) while religion is certainly broad. That's also why I'm stumped on the whole flower thing since that seems a bit broader too?
entertainment? as in videogames? with avatars?
methinks this could get pretty fucked up
@24:30-.-I think it would be funny if it starts out like a normal dark world, but then after you meet a carnival themed character they immediately turn to stone because the roaring is happening. I imagine this would confuse Susie quite a bit.
i would love a dark world adventure with asriel, kris, sans and papyrus as a chapter that focuses on the raltionship between kris and asriel as siblings. Sans also says that kris could meet papyrus around the time when kriss brother is in town
I think another place a fountain could be is the police-taped-off woods next to the police station. there's a lot of theories that this is where dess went missing, and it could be interesting to have a fountain there to explore that (maybe in place of the flower shop or church?? those both feel like definites though)
Currently lacking sleep so this might a bit long.
While I don’t believe that Ralsei himself is evil in any way, there could be something that happens in his dark world, maybe an epilogue or final chapter. An aspect I haven’t seen brought up is why exactly does Ralsei not want us to his room. A reveal could happen, not really sure what though. This is a smaller thing, but we got to remember that “Mr. Society” (the bishop piece from the first chapter) left castle town. While played as a joke, I wouldn’t put it off for Toby to play this off in a later chapter, either him coming back or Kris (either with a party or without) finding someway to go back up that cliff side and finding Mr. Society.
18:27 I do like both ideas that he could in the end die or he could be cured. But I think thats going to be a thing where we make a choice to either help him or not for some reason. Maybe not helping him will help find des or maybe it could be a case of "save one or the other". You cant forget this game will most likely have multiple endings
Something I hope happens is an undertale-style battle in the overworld, as in a fountain you have all the deltarune ui but in the overworld you have the undertale ui, just something I hope for but I won't hold my breath for it.
@26:41-.-It is possible that during the roaring all previous dark worlds will manifest in some state. This would make any carnival and circus elements in any other dark world less redundant, as "carnival" could be the theme that connect them all, which has implications of what could be in the chapter 3 dark world.
Here are some of my predictions
Dark worlds (in no order):
Tv world
Flower world
Church world
Bunker world
Sans and Papyrus house world, for funnys
I also belive that Papyrus gets introduced as a new student at some point
Seam being the final secret boss would be fun and intresting
Please not Seam
I like the idea of Seam being a neutral party in this. I have no idea what their deal is, or what role they'll have in the larger game? But I'm curious to learn more!
I don't think Seam really cares about anything enough to bother fighting us lol
one theory i thought of while watching this video, though it's extremely specific and i admit it's very unlikely:
in a future chapter, it's going to be revealed that when lightners spend too long in dark worlds, they start to be split across realities like gaster was when he "fell into his creation" (i seriously doubt this line from undertale is referring to the core since it's just a big geothermal generator. falling into it would have just incinerated gaster, not done any weird multiverse shenanigans). then it's going to be revealed that the doors south of town lead to a dark world that's existed for god knows how long (perhaps ralsei could even be from there), and that dess fell down there and the strange text people have found in the files of chapter 1 and 2 has been dess screaming out into the void and we in real life heard her cries for help.
also i think a future chapter, possibly the final one, will bring back the lore detail undertale established about human and monster souls becoming extremely powerful when mixed together.
My guess is that the game will have a main set ending, but will require multiple playthroughs to see the true ending. We've already seen that each of the three SAVES has it's differences, we know that there's a series of long term collectables like the eggs and shadow crystals. We also know Toby has, at least with Undertale, shown that you don't always get the true ending right away, even if you finish a playthrough. You may have to start a new save with a finished save parallel to it, go back with prior knowledge (or perhaps bring items/characters back from the "future" with a reset to the start of the game).
With the allusions to WDGaster involved, and the inclusion of the weird route in Chapter 2, and in UT how the Pacifist/true ending changes if you did a prior Genocide - not to mention the various themes/elements of time/dimensions not only in DR/UT, but in side content like the sweepstakes, not to mention the potential gold mine that is Skies Forever Blue (the collab song Toby Fox made with themes of corrupted game saves/glitches and time travel) - I full am on board with the idea that the contents of earlier chapters may change, perhaps minor perhaps massively, if you've completed a playthrough or have a finished game save in another slot.
Ralsei also seems to know more than they let on - seemingly aware of the player themselves, which also suggests that Ralsei is trying to push things in such a way that let them manipulate Kris the same way we'd manipulate characters like Noelle. There's a clear end goal, or perhaps Ralsei has been through this game's cycle so much that they take on the equated role of Flowey - someone who manipulated the timeline before our interference. Maybe they're not as violent as Flowey, maybe they are and are trying something different or know the best approach to manipulating us is through kindness. This would explain his knowledge of the "Prophecy", his peculiar actions/responses, Kris' reaction to their tea, heck even the parallel of both Flowey and Ralsei being the ones to introduce the battle mechanics of the game, including button controls. They know what a SAVE is, but pretend not to later on.
I agree with your general chapter structure - 3 being the character dissection of Toriel, the introduction of Alyphs and Undyne, 4 being church themed and exploring themes of grief or loss with Rudy and Gerson (who's gravestone may end up animating in his image with the help of the stories in his books kept at the Church).
But I disagree with 5. I don't think Asriel will return until either chapter 6 or 7. Instead, we'll see a retrospect into the fall Asgore had, compare and contrast with the mayor - Noelle's mom - who is likely the one enforcing the overdue rent we see mention of in the flower shop. This could explore themes of duty, Asgore not taking care of himself after failing to find Dess as the Police Chief and his fall from grace and failed marriage - meanwhile the same sense of duty and failure could be explored in Noelle's mom, who likely buried herself in her work and became more stern/strict in response to the loss of Dess - and how the two butt heads for emotionally processing the same situation differently, both meanwhile dealing with some kind of estranged marriage. We know that Asgore & Rudy have had a relationship of some kind prior due to the christmas dialogues on the site, and this might play into it as well - maybe allowing the two to connect as both might care deeply for Rudy and feel similarly about his failing health. This chapter could take place in the Flower Shop, or the Mayor's office, and it'd work well in either. If it did take place in the Flower Shop, it could tie into the "water level" of the beach to a degree, but that's just a spit take.
I do like the idea that the incoming festival will play crucial part into the Roaring. I suspect that the Roaring will begin shortly before or after Asriel's return, and we'll begin to fully grasp who the Knight is supposed to be (Asriel? Gaster? The Unused Vessel? Kris? Who?). Overall, I am hyped up for the releases of chapter 3 and 4, and can't WAIT until we see more.
I think the bunker is going to be a fountain. It could even be where Dess is! My reasoning for this is that I think it might have a connection to Gaster, and Gaster is ALWAYS seemingly present and his motifs and scraps in undertale could be related. I think he ties the games somewhat together!
You know when a person enters a dark world their outfit and looks change I would love if asriel enters a dark world and becomes flowey but good as he said
Or he appears like how he was in his God of hyperdeath form
Hacı karakterin humanoid kalması lazım ama.
Out of all the chapters that haven't released yet (besides 3) 4 being the church is the one I have been the most confident about being right for all the reasons you brought up, but also because chess theory would say that chapter 4 would be the Biship as the villain.
If you don't mind me adding some points, I've got a few ideas. I'm sure that most of what I'm going to say is a bit redundant, but I wanted to put it out there just in case.
First, in regards to Fountains being made only in places with double doors --- the front entrance of Toriel's house is not a double door, and I think it's pretty safe to say that Ch 3 will take place in the house. Not only that, but both doors to the Card Kingdom (main classroom entrance & door connecting to the closet) aren't double doors in the Light World either, and theoretically someone could have entered that dark world directly through the classroom door instead of the closet door like we do. I don't think that this point really detracts from the main points of the fountain location theories, but it's worth noting that we shouldn't discredit locations just because they don't have the right door style.
Second, as far as using a fantasy-substitute for religion in a church-based Fountain, I don't think that's likely or necessary. Already both Undertale and Deltarune have had some significant religious themes. Hell, the main plot of Deltarune is to "banish the Angle's Heaven", with imagery of angels (Noelle), demons/devils (Jevil, Gaster), and prophets (Spamton). Toby uses general religious motifs/imagery constantly, and thus I don't think it's too far a stretch to say that there could be a Fountain in the church/graveyard that focuses on the Angel, Knight, or other.
Again, I'm sure that most of the points I've made are kinda repetitive or unnecessary, but I think it's good to consider at the very least.
I always assumed that we would get a group project duo in each chapter. Ch1 had kris&suzie, ch2 had noelle&berdly, it would be strange to miss out on catti&jockington and monsterkid&snowy and temmie&egg(s). I'd put catti&jockington in the church, since catti & kris did occult shit together. Monsterkid&snowy would fit in the TV world since snowy is into stand-up comedy and monsterkid is just a Big Fan of Things which works great in a TV setting (and would make it easy to disprove this theory if they don't show up lol).
I think the thing about the duos is right, but Monster Kid & Snowy and Temmie & Eggs is sooo boring.
Ch 3 I guess will be Undyne and Toriel. Ch 4 might be Catti & Jockington
Other duos I Can think of are Asgore & Alphys, Rudy & Alvin and Asriel & Des
@@chicken0w044 true, but i thought berdly would be boring until he got a bigger role! I think toby would make it interesting somehow
@@nautil_us i mean, the only duo I really can’t see is Temmie and Eggs, because of the nature of the character. It’s literally just a shit post character
0:52 no we GET 7 but toby has only worked much on 3-5 at the moment out side of 1-2 so it’s confirmed
I was so mad when in chapter 2 when Sans said I wouldn't get to meet Papyrus. I internally cried and tried to talk to Sans about him and knocked on his and Papyrus's door multiple times.
You saying that the Skelebros might have a bigger role later in the story should not have made me internally cry from happiness but I guess I'm just obsessed and desperate and crazy. I hope you're right about that because I really want to talk to them again.
Idk i just want hope.
15:22 you forgot to mention that, according to Susie, chapter 2 is a Friday, which means that chapter 4 would be Sunday.
this is assuming that each chapter takes an entire day which may not be correct
@15:18-.-It is possible that hometown works like Japan, and they just don't have Saturday off of for school. There is going to be a "town fair", and Japan is known for their festivals, and since the game is being localized for Japanese, it could be possible that hometown is meant to have both Eastern and western elements? I'm just bawling, but just a thought that comes to mind. I can't rule it off the table.
pretty overstreched. Culture thing is REALLY complicated/unknown in deltarune
@@hardy6876-.-Agreed, it is kind of a stretch, but it's an idea that popped up in my head occasionally, and it might be good to table it and keep it in mind going into future chapters, just in case. Plus, it would be funny if "the whole town turns into some sort of carnival" is just Susie's understanding of a Japanese cultural festival, or at least I would think that was funny. I don't know, It's kind of just brain rot kicking in, but I still feel compelled to share.
I kind of hope that the bunker doors act like the door where you fight glyde does. In that when you beat the game the door will open (whether Toby has us dodging credits again or not) and reveal yet another developer room, or something fun like that. I think it is just a red herring for the story though.
river person also speaks about the song from the sea in undertale
i really like these theories, i’ll probably come back to write some more of my own but for nowi just wanna say that i like how this video is done. i feel like a lot of people dont focus on overall narrative and instead just predict things that they think would be cool
also, the names that the game responds to in the vessel creation, they're for characters that have their faces in the dialogue box, they are important in some way
and the water fountain would make sense cause we know kris has a story with oceans and there is a sound named ocean.ogg connected to him
i heared some theories about the gaster bunker could lead to a factory underground where he's residing
one final thing, an ice fountain could make sense if you considered ice is real thanks to the sweepstakes, and he could be a recreation of omega flowey also because toby made a gumball machine with photoshop and put it in the sweepstakes for some reason wich could be used in ice's model
that's all
@19:29-.-I think I agree with your assessment that the waterworld is on the bottom of the prediction list. On that note, since Deltarune is clearly shaping to have themes of escapism vs accepting reality, I think it's likely that a variety of NPCs are supposed to have the own little arcs to give the message of how reality can be just as interesting as fiction, if you're willing to look into it. Catty and Bratty are the second most obvious example, since we get implications of their relationship progressing through their dialogue, but Onion-son is the most obvious example, due to reasons you've already mentioned in this video. So I think it's likely that Onion-son will form the band they've been wanting to form, with Shyren being a part of said band, and we'll see them play during the end credits. It just seems too thematically appropriate not to do it.
One thing I'm surprised you haven't predicted is stuff involving Ralsei, I don't trust Ralsei. Funny fluffy boy but he's definitely letting on more than what he knows. Ever since ch2 I realised his role could play more nefariously within the story and I think toby was setting up seeds to make you question what his actual intentions are. I'm suspecting over time he's going to backstab Kris, Susie, etc. or have his actual intentions shown once Asriel becomes a bigger role.
lol this was briefly touched upon in the recent Re-Examining "SANS IS A DARKNER" video
you mean he knows more than he lets on? you got it the wrong way round
29:50 We've actually already seen QC in both games AND the diner! She is the purple bunny who was the shopkeeper in Snowdin, and she is seen as an overworld sprite at the diner's register that you can talk to in Deltarune.
And the roaring happens on Friday on the carnival with asriel and papuyrus, it just makes sense
I personally think the lake will be a little more important than we know. Gerson is going to get attention I feel, your idea with the church having a fountain based on his novels is interesting, and in Undertale, he was an explorer. Let's not forget that hi big gimmick in Undertale was that he was a TORTOISE, often a very long living species of animals. It's very possible that he saw a LOT of things in his lifetime, including the founding of Hometown itself. To that end, it wouldn't surprise me that in learning more about Gerson's life and his novels, that we'd ALSO learn more about Hometown. Maybe we'd learn about something that's hidden underneath the waves of the lake, or deep in the forest that may relate to Dess' disappearance. Perhaps he'd have known a thing or two about the bunker, or about what certain inhabitants of Hometown have done in their lives.
Basically I'm saying: I believe Gerson is a catalyst for the history of Hometown, telling us about things that living characters wouldn't or couldn't tell us themselves.
Also, on the topic of the lake again, I'm glad you pointed out that Shyren was in the hospital during chapter 2. Would they really have hinted at some sort of singing and proceeded to put the one character known for being a singer about as far away from where the singing was at the same time? Like sure, maybe it was her, but I think it's more likely that Onionsan had heard something else. Especially since it's familiar to him somehow, which he relates to the ocean.
17:32 Ghoulia :D
29:51 QC is seen in the diner- she gives Kris the hot cocoa
No, she is a waiter.
@@hardy6876 her sprite name in both Deltarune is spr_np_qc
@@hardy6876 Nah, the purple bunny who gives the cocoa is most likely QC, her sprite in the code is called spr_npc_qc (Sprite > NPC > QC)
Presumably she's the same shopkeeper as the one in Snowdin in Undertale, but the lighting in her shop in Undertale makes it hard to tell if she's purple there too.
i think that eventually we’ll get to explore Noelle’s house, see Dess’s old room and meet Noelle’s mother who is probably named Carol Holiday. personally i hope that Noelle has a lot of siblings named after the other reindeer that drives Santa’s sleigh which would also warrant living in a gated mansion aside from her mother being the town’s mayor. and if Noelle’s mom isn’t the mayor, my money is on it being a polar bear or ice monster of some sort.
Chapter 2's opening was supposed to be subverted by chapter 2's ending.
The reveal that Kris ate the pie comes across as a joke, until you realize they also plugged in the tv inbetween chapters and at the end of the chapter 2 they open a fountain, clearly planning well in advance.
I love prediction videos and theory videos and you channel has all of that (one of the best youtubers ive seen in a while)
I agree with your theories for Chapter 4 being in the church. My idea, and many others’ ideas as well, for the Chapter 3 secret boss is Asgore’s flowers, because the trash can IS pretty close to the TV and the secret boss fights usually take place in the trash areas of the Dark World, with Jevil’s taking place in the box of unused cards, and Spamton’s taking place in the main computer’s trash bin. So, having this knowledge in mind, the secret boss of Chapter 3 would likely be the trashed flowers, and the lead up could be a loose wire leading into the trash can. Then, for Chapter 4’s secret boss, I’d say it would be the hero of Gerson’s stories, because they share the same forgotten theme as the rest of them and Father Alvin might have thrown Gerson’s books in the church’s giveaway boxes to ease the grieving process. The reason why Gerson’s hero would not be the main villain is because I believe the chess theory to be true, and so Chapter 3’s villain would be the rook/TV remote, and Chapter 4’s villain would be a holy figure of some kind, obviously tying into the bishop stuff. But hey, that’s just my theory! Let me know yours in the replies!