Jensen Ackles Being Unimpressed with the Supernatural Finale For 7 Minutes
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If you haven't seen the Supernatural Finale Season 15 episode 20
SPOILER ALERT
Dean dies. He's killed by vampires.
It seems Jensen was not entirely "on board" with the finale even after his conversation with Eric Kripke, as he has since made some comments about Dean never being beaten by vampires.
He's remained relatively silent on the finale since it aired, but these clips are interesting looking back now.
Poor Jensen
I cant imagine 15 years of pouring my soul into a character for it to end LIKE THAT
Kripke created the show, but he hasn't been writing for it in years. He didn't build the last ten years of their character development. I'm sure his take made sense to him and to Sam and Dean the way he left them in season 5, but not anymore. Dean dying like that made no sense, and the fact that Jensen - who unarguably knows his character better any fan or writer - needed to be talked into liking the finale is a testament to that.
I somewhat disagree. I in no way liked the last few minutes of the show, and IMO dean was the one who deserved to long and happy for constantly sacrificing himself for Sam, but I understood it. Dean always had one foot in the grave. He was weary, and he never would’ve been satisfied living a life of peace without Sam or without hunting. Dean was always ready to die, always waiting for it. Sam yearned for freedom in a way dean never did, I know they lived through the same things, but it impacted dean differently. I know it’s of popular belief that Sam is the kinder and more sensitive brother, but that was never really true. Dean always bit the bullet and gave up happiness in more ways than one to allow Sam to be free, even if it never lasted long. His heart was always more selfless, more generous, he just hid it behind his bravado.
Dean was never gonna die an old. An surrounded by children and a wife, for him, it was always gonna be on a job, but I did dislike the way it happened. I also hated that misha or Alex weren’t in the finale. I felt dean should’ve at least been able to reunite with cas. And the way they rushed the last few minutes trying to sum up sams life no death was just wrong, and if they knew all along this was how it was gonna end, it should’ve been planned better.
@@monimoo88 I absolutely agree that all they went through affected Sam and Dean in different ways, and that's why I agree with Jensen when he says that if the roles had been reversed Dean would not have been able to go on without his brother.
My main issue though is that they built this season to Dean being more than he thought he was. Cas's speech in 15x18, Dean himself telling Chuck he wasn't the ultimate killer he was being painted to be being just examples of that.
Dean has said multiple times over the last few years he wanted out. There's a clip I don't remember exactly from what episode where he says that if they do manage to take out the last big bad, Sam, Cas and him deserve "beaches and umbrella drinks".
He even tells Jack, this season, that he needs him to beat Chuck so Sam and him can have a life.
He did give everything up for Sam. He did go through a lot and his lows were really really low. But that's why I think he deserved to get better, figure out who he was without Chuck or John's influence. Actually let some of that sensitive side of him show.
After giving his whole life to protect his little brother, he deserved to see Sam have a family.
I do believe he could have gotten out eventually. Maybe not completely, and I sure as hell can't picture him working a 9/5 job, but there is a middle ground they could have reached.
It's just absurd and so incredibly unfair to me that Sam's kid won't know his uncle. That Sam never got to share that experience with his brother. That Dean never had the possibility of seeing all that and realize it was only thanks to him.
And just as an aside, I don't think Sam got much of a happier life. For years he'd been saying he knew his place was next to Dean, that he didn't and couldn't do it without his brother. For every happy moment he had I don't believe for a second he ever got to fully enjoy it without Dean there.
Just curious why doesn't it make sense?
Just to let you know, since the beginning, all of Dean's fights were messy. Proceed.
Btw, I think to like or dislike the ending is quite subjective, I happened to be satisfied with it. There's a few things to me that didn't resonate, but I can count them on one hand, so I'll count that as a satisfying ending. Nothing is perfect.
You can believe the ending sucks if you want, but you don't need to explain to me why it is, I'm uninterested, because I like the way it is.
But I'm just curious on one aspect of the ending, why is it, that a man who's been dying to die from the start who now dies, not make sense? To add to that, its such a natural death, Dean and Sam has always been at the risk of dying on a mission many times, why is this one different? Well it is different, in the start, there's a few higher beings protecting him, people who mess with their lives for their own satisfaction or enjoyment. Now you take that off the board, what you get? In my opinion, something that's been itching to happen from the beginning itself. I don't think you can convince me that, Dean's death doesn't make sense, but please, do try.
PS: When you say "I don't think Sam got much of a happier life. For years he'd been saying he knew his place was next to Dean, that he didn't and couldn't do it without his brother. For every happy moment he had I don't believe for a second he ever got to fully enjoy it without Dean there.".
I think you're wrong here too, we see Sam had a great life at the start of the first season, a normal life, which is what he wanted. When Sam said (per your paraphrasing) "he'd been saying he knew his place was next to Dean, that he didn't and couldn't do it without his brother", yeah, his place was next to Dean, but the life they're living is not the life he wanted. But that's the life Dean wanted, the only thing Dean knows is fighting, he was there thinking he's protecting Dean, but all along it was just Chuck pulling his puppets around, if Chuck deemed it, Dean would have died with or without Sam. And that's why I think Dean's death was 15 seasons overdue, let him rest with his parents, his family are the only people he truly care for, from the start, he's been looking for his father and been wanting for his mother to come back to him, it make sense that in the end, he gets it.
@@names-mars "You don't need to explain why it is, I'm uninterested" but then you proceed to take apart my comment? And what the hell is the attitude for? Especially since I was never talking to you.
"This is my life. I love it. But I can't do it without my brother - I don't wanna do it without my brother. "
"And if we die, we'll do that together too.'
I could go on. Dean had started saying he no longer wanted to go out swinging, and Sam had stopped wanting the normal life. I'm not making this up, they said this. The ending, in my opinion, ignored the last few seasons of character development.
The centre of the story was always Sam and Dean's broterhood, their will to fight not to lose each other. They took that away and forced Sam to go on without Dean, and stripped Dean of the chance to figure himself out without Chuck pulling the strings.
He spent his life protecting his little brother and never got to see him have a family.
They were the most important people in each other's life and Sam had to lose that. I don't doubt that he had a decent life, but my understanding of these characters prevents me from believing he ever got to enjoy it knowing Dean wasn't there to witness it.
And yes, Dean should have gotten his Heaven. Not at 42 because of a rusty nail, not without his brother. Separating them and forcing Sam to go on without Dean was the mistake.
I'm not here to tell anyone they're wrong for liking or not liking the finale. Just because something didn't make sense to me doesn't mean it's an absolute and it can't make sense to anyone else. What's done it's done and I'm glad you found the ending satisfying.
PS: "Family don't end in blood". His blood relatives are not the only people he ever truly cared for. The dad who abused him and the mom who never managed to truly be there for him? That's all he has waiting for him? Screw that. He made a family for himself. Cas, Jack, Jody and the girls. Bobby. Ellen and Jo. Charlie. Kevin. That's his family too. He cares about them just as much.
@@celestefieramonti I said, you don't need to explain why you hated the ending, just why you think Dean's death didn't make sense, but if you're gonna be defensive, then I'm out. Not even sure at what point I showed "attitude" as you put it. From the start I've been saying "In my opinion", while you've been demanding that your side is correct without a doubt. I'm not into that kind of discussion, so good bye.
But just to end in a way that shows attitude, since you brought it up.
"And if we die, we'll do that together too."
*Context* sil vous plait. Don't ignore the context for when that got said. I don't know if you're testing my knowledge of the show or what, but I know when that statement was said, and it certainly isn't suitable as a defense here. For the rest, I'm just going to ignore it, since it didn't change my mind, and I'm already not in the mood to try to understand you, its very clear, you don't hate the ending, you just hate that 100% of the time in life, promises are not kept, and that simple act of making the characters deviate from that simple promise (as if it were real life) immediately showed people that they're free of strings. You can't stand the fact that making a promise doesn't mean *it shall be done* . And I truly believe that doing this the show really showed that they are no longer being controlled, its not a fictional story anymore, of the two Winchesters somehow surviving every monster fight while other hunters die easily from even the "not so strong" monsters. Reality kicked in and you hated that. There, attitude. Ciao.
Man those facial expressions said it all
Mine too
Jenson was really sad!!!!
@@purplepauline
Yeah.And I agree...
“Step back and look at it from an audience perspective, from a fan perspective” - I’m the audience, I’m a fan. It didn’t make sense, it wasn’t the right way to go, I don’t understand it. Dean Winchester deserved a life too!
Seeing this and I remember how Andrew Dabb how he said he didn't like Jensen Ackles. To this day what was done to Jensen and his character pisses me off. Because #DeanWichester #deservesbetter will always think of Andrew Dabb as the worst show runner ever . And of course months later Jensen has accepted as is even so much that he said Dean would of wasted away in the back of some bar. Very disappointing as in all those times of talking character growth and its sad that this wasn't in the equation. Will always love Jensen and all that he gave to us of Dean Winchester. But I will always hate Dabb for the push as show runner Dean has to die. And before I forget Jensen gave us his all and for that I'm grateful.
Thank you for doing this.
@@burnttoastgaming7730 Here's my take on Dean's death... it went against everything the show had stood for....
Hear me out:
... pretty much from the first season, Dean had said that this was how all hunters end up- bloody. But from the very first season both Sam and Dean were fighting fate, every time they were told there was no other way- they found a way... They constantly fought against expectations, beliefs, fate etc. For Dean to die like he always said he would feels like the show wasn't listening to it's own message. Here's how I thought the show should have ended (ps, I'm a screenwriter and because I love this show and have watched all 14 seasons of it over 20 times... I've given it a lot of thought, even back seasons ago this was how I had thought they should have went): Sam and Dean don't die fighting monsters they fix the problem. We know how physically exhausted and emotionally drained the boys were of the life and how they could never see an end in sight. We saw Sam step up and become a leader of hunters (the apocalypse world peeps) and he organized them from their bunker. We know that the American Men of Letters was well organized and was successful for a while. Sam and Dean had seen how the British Men of Letters operated (though they wouldn't do everything the way those sociopaths did). Sam and Dean had powerful (literally) allies and they had connections to law enforcement hunters and other hunters who had respect for Sam and Dean's reputation. And we know that Sam and Dean knew that the life was not perfect.
I thought at some point it should have occurred to them to either unite all hunters in North America to work together as an organization to deal with monsters and ghosts etc. They (with Jodie and Donna's help) would recruit other officers, law enforcement and military etc into the fight vs forcing children to grow up in the traumatic life. Once they feel they have enough members and especially enough reputable members from Law enforcement and the military, they would bring the monster problem to the FBI, The CIA and the Government's attention by providing proof of the supernatural. For example: capturing a vampire+ Cass showing off his angelic abilities+ Rowena showing off her spells and lastly, Sam and Dean telling their story.
Either they manage to actually have a sit down with the leaders or... (which I think would have been more interesting) they basically kidnap them all using magic and their abilities to force them to believe them and open their eyes to what's been happening under their noses for so long. Then, they form their own organization that's backed and funded by the government which will tackle this problem. Sam, Dean and their friends and allies will train and educate specialized agents to become professional hunters. No more fake badges.
The general population still has no idea about what's out there.
Sam and Dean founded this movement and this is their legacy. After a few decades or so of organizing and training recruits for the agency... They retire, content that they have done enough... that they made a difference and they can be at peace knowing that they have passed on the torch and the world will continue to be safe.
That was the ending I wanted for the show and the ending I thought the fans would be content with, especially since it's surprisingly hopeful and happy and that's all we ever wanted for the boys. It also, opened up the opportunity for spinoffs and for the boys (the actors) to come back years later bringing the show back.
However... there is something good that's come out of all my over thinking...
It occurred to me that I could write my own show using this concept: A secretive law enforcement agency that deals with monsters and the supernatural without the country's citizens even knowing. So now... I've been planning that out for over a year now and I'm really excited about it. I'm hoping to call it: The natural and the Supernatural and it will be based in Canada (I'm canadian).
What will be significantly different from SUPERNATURAL and other types of shows is that they are actually law enforcement (not just a secretive group) and work for the government that's fully aware of the situation. Furthermore, there's a large number of the population that are NHPs (non human persons...aka monsters) that exist peacefully as law abiding citizens. My main characters are special detectives for the SPCIU (the Supernatural Protection and Criminal Investigation Unit) which investigates when NHPs cross the line but also fight the supernatural such as ghosts and they travel across the country and assist law enforcement (similar to how the BAU of the FBI helps assist in catching serial killers).
@@jenandjocamacho2113 He actually admitted that while still being the showrunner? Seriously? That sounds like an incredibly stupid thing to admit... Also makes me wonder why. Got any sources on that? I'm curious
@@jenandjocamacho2113 it was a joke...
Alright. So what Jensen was basically saying is that hes ready for season 16.
We need hell to break loose into heaven so the Winchesters can save heaven. 😂❤️
@@gazalkotharie I like the idea. We also need John Winchester being back from his hunting trip on TWD.
@@XxMr1XxX Fuck no. John Winchester is an abusive douchebag who scarred his kids (including Adam to a degree) so deeply it affected the way they viewed the world and interacted with the people in it, and each other. Sam and Dean have both used abusive tendencies on one another, Dean more so than Sam.
JDM is cool, but his character on SPN was a fucking awful human being. Why do you think literally everyone ended up cutting ties with John apart from Dean (who cares too much about family and nesting)? Watching more of John would be torture.
I do like your joke though - John’s only been on a hunting trip in zombie ‘verse for a while. Lol
He talked about it with Kripke, and a few months later his gut feeling came back - So it never left. I just respect Jensen a lot for not agreeing with the mass, I love how much he cares about the characters as if it were real people - Not just characters in a show.
i watched the finale once and i’ll never watch it again
Jensen you were right..
Couldn't agree more! SUCKED and a let down
Look at it from an audience perspective, they said
WE the AUDIANCE HATED IT
"This isn't us going quietly into the night, this is us going out with fireworks."
Actual Episode: Fart in the Wind.
@@Davidscomix I actually really liked the finale but to each their own I guess
I liked it just fine. Cried like a freakin baby when Dean died. Kept crien when Sam and Dean met again in heaven. Was it the all-out fireworks display we were hoping for... no. But then again, what they had planned couldn't have been done given the filming timeframe and pandemic situation. Deadlines had to be met, precautions had to be observed, and the life situation turned things different. They did the best they could, and that's admirable. I'm really just thankful they were able to get Bobby back for the brief appearance.
I always thought the closing shot should have been looking out of the boot (trunk, for the Americans) of the impala with Dean saying "we've got work to do " and then closing the boot.
That would have been amazing. Like if they had each found someone that they would probably have gotten together with in a couple years, all the huge threats were out of the way, and they were simply continuing on in relative peace with the family business.
An alternative to that could be, after Dean welcoming Sam to heaven, pulling the cooler out of the trunk, and from that in-trunk perspective, see/hear Dean say, "well, our work is done." Trunk closes, screen black, the end.
@@ringo666 yeah, that works, but I still like the idea of them being out there doing what they do.
Nope. Kripke is wrong. Dean deserved better. Nothing against the boys or the crew but the writers screwed the pooch completely.
He was right, he should trust his guts, I'm a fan & i hated it
We all hated it. 😭
19 should have been the end, It def had a sence of finality to it, and I enjoyed the montage and the idea, that from now on, they were free
I agree 100%. Let them drive off leaving all the fans to imagine what was to come.
@@rosesmith6925 Yes!
Ngl, I really felt like that episode was going to end with the boys getting hit by a truck like in season 1.
Favorite moster in the show: Jefferson Starships
I also liked the Octo-vamps too lol
Alpha vamp -- regal and elegant, even as a bloodthirsty killer.
As a fan and someone who heavily relates to dean, the ending SUCKED Jensen was right. Dean deserved happiness and throughout the show he always struggled and said he would die with a gun in his hand. Having a good, happy ending for him would prove to the audience and to dean that even after all the hardship there is hope and there can be a happy ending
the finale made no sense, they killed chuck symbolizing that the brothers finally had free will for the first time in their life and all they do is kill dean instantly after which is what chuck wanted to happen
Don't worry, Jensen, we all hated the finale too.
Since I quit watching television two decades earlier, with the pandemic I binged watched every season over a few months. I really got into it. But the ending sucked and I'm hoping they come back and play it off as a dream. Sam could say to Dean on their bunker. "Man, I just had the craziest dream." I can dream too.
Nah, the aa’s and destiel didn’t like it most of the general audience liked it actually and I understand that dean deserved a life, but if you think of it from how normal it was to go on a hunt(the last hunt) and die in a normal circumstance instead of by a creature, like chuck isn’t controlling the narrative anymore so it make sense to me how normal it was for them to be injured/died that way. And FYI they film the last few episodes in 2020 so his view isn’t gonna be the same as in 2019 or 2018..
Nah, I liked it. It made sense even though it was very sad.
Poor Jensen looks like he wants to cry
It's been 4 months and it still pissed me off
Jensen was right. They should've listened to him.
glad he didnt like it either. It was obvious for a long time that Dean was always going to go down in a fight. But it should have been THE fight...the big bad. Not some random ass pack of dumb ass vampires. Dean has slaughtered entire nests by himself before - makes no sense why he'd get his ass kicked now and die like that. If they wanted him to have the conversation with Sam so bad, they could have mortally wounded him in the big fight and he didn't say anything while the fight's still going on but when it's over, Dean drops, and as Sam holds him, they have the conversation.
I didn’t like the ending. They should have ended the show when Jack defeated God and Sam and Dean drove off at the end of the episode.
I love how in the second clip Jensen is like sort of making sure, that Jared doesn't spoil anything, or just says anything stupid. You know, those little movements with his eyes towards him. I *love* it
I felt that the way they killed Dean was like they thought it was the only way he could be happy...not only it doesn't make sense but it progressively gets worse how they planned it all to end.
I haven't watched the season, but I did watch the scene and my take away was that Jensen is an amazing actor who deserves challenging roles. He plays the emotional sides of Dean so tremendously well, I feel like he hasn't gotten the recognition he truly deserves.
Was this a better ending than S5, in terms of the bros ending up together, in a happy place? Sure. Was this good, satisfying writing? Frick no. Dean deserved better, and Sam deserved better, too. Literally every character on this show deserved better than what they got. The sad part is that I think the writers thought they were giving us a good ending! I think they genuinely thought we'd be happy with "everyone goes to heaven and is happy, yay!!" The problem is that none of us were emotionally attached to a heaven we were introduced to five seconds ago. We were emotionally attached to earth, the earth the boys had fought for for so long and saved repeatedly. Why would we want to see them go unremembered? Uncelebrated? It's lazy writing and it just came off as sad, IMO.
Well, seeing as how Andrew Dabb is on the record for saying that only 30% of the fans will like this ending, he knew it was shitty & just didn't care.
@@theoddone6213 we don't know that for sure.
Honestly, I still haven't watched the last two episodes because I was aware of just how angry and upset everyone was about it and it feels like a disservice to myself and my love of the show for me to watch them and let my love of the show be soured by the insult that was the finale. Also, I was just so pissed about the prior episode and how they disrespected Cass
Keep in mind they had to thin a lot out because of quarantine. If they could have done it with a full cast it would have been 1000% better. If you use your imagination it's better but the skeleton crew makes it a let down. Plus Jensen can act his azz off. 😢😢 Maybe after quarantine they can do a little something
You're kind of doing yourself a disservice by not watching the 2nd-to-last; very satisfying, could have been the true finale. But the actual finale... yeah, pass.
@@evelynwashere13 Here's my take on Dean's death and the overall finale ... it went against everything the show had stood for....
Hear me out:
... pretty much from the first season, Dean had said that this was how all hunters end up- bloody. But from the very first season both Sam and Dean were fighting fate, every time they were told there was no other way- they found a way... They constantly fought against expectations, beliefs, fate etc. For Dean to die like he always said he would feels like the show wasn't listening to it's own message. Here's how I thought the show should have ended (ps, I'm a screenwriter and because I love this show and have watched all 14 seasons of it over 20 times... I've given it a lot of thought, even back seasons ago this was how I had thought they should have went): Sam and Dean don't die fighting monsters they fix the problem. We know how physically exhausted and emotionally drained the boys were of the life and how they could never see an end in sight. We saw Sam step up and become a leader of hunters (the apocalypse world peeps) and he organized them from their bunker. We know that the American Men of Letters was well organized and was successful for a while. Sam and Dean had seen how the British Men of Letters operated (though they wouldn't do everything the way those sociopaths did). Sam and Dean had powerful (literally) allies and they had connections to law enforcement hunters and other hunters who had respect for Sam and Dean's reputation. And we know that Sam and Dean knew that the life was not perfect.
I thought at some point it should have occurred to them to either unite all hunters in North America to work together as an organization to deal with monsters and ghosts etc. They (with Jodie and Donna's help) would recruit other officers, law enforcement and military etc into the fight vs forcing children to grow up in the traumatic life. Once they feel they have enough members and especially enough reputable members from Law enforcement and the military, they would bring the monster problem to the FBI, The CIA and the Government's attention by providing proof of the supernatural. For example: capturing a vampire+ Cass showing off his angelic abilities+ Rowena showing off her spells and lastly, Sam and Dean telling their story.
Either they manage to actually have a sit down with the leaders or... (which I think would have been more interesting) they basically kidnap them all using magic and their abilities to force them to believe them and open their eyes to what's been happening under their noses for so long. Then, they form their own organization that's backed and funded by the government which will tackle this problem. Sam, Dean and their friends and allies will train and educate specialized agents to become professional hunters. No more fake badges.
The general population still has no idea about what's out there.
Sam and Dean founded this movement and this is their legacy. After a few decades or so of organizing and training recruits for the agency... They retire, content that they have done enough... that they made a difference and they can be at peace knowing that they have passed on the torch and the world will continue to be safe.
That was the ending I wanted for the show and the ending I thought the fans would be content with, especially since it's surprisingly hopeful and happy and that's all we ever wanted for the boys. It also, opened up the opportunity for spinoffs and for the boys (the actors) to come back years later bringing the show back.
However... there is something good that's come out of all my over thinking...
It occurred to me that I could write my own show using this concept: A secretive law enforcement agency that deals with monsters and the supernatural without the country's citizens even knowing. So now... I've been planning that out for over a year now and I'm really excited about it. I'm hoping to call it: The natural and the Supernatural and it will be based in Canada (I'm canadian).
What will be significantly different from SUPERNATURAL and other types of shows is that they are actually law enforcement (not just a secretive group) and work for the government that's fully aware of the situation. Furthermore, there's a large number of the population that are NHPs (non human persons...aka monsters) that exist peacefully as law abiding citizens. My main characters are special detectives for the SPCIU (the Supernatural Protection and Criminal Investigation Unit) which investigates when NHPs cross the line but also fight the supernatural such as ghosts and they travel across the country and assist law enforcement (similar to how the BAU of the FBI helps assist in catching serial killers).
@@ringo666 Here's my take on Dean's death and the overall finale ... it went against everything the show had stood for....
Hear me out:
... pretty much from the first season, Dean had said that this was how all hunters end up- bloody. But from the very first season both Sam and Dean were fighting fate, every time they were told there was no other way- they found a way... They constantly fought against expectations, beliefs, fate etc. For Dean to die like he always said he would feels like the show wasn't listening to it's own message. Here's how I thought the show should have ended (ps, I'm a screenwriter and because I love this show and have watched all 14 seasons of it over 20 times... I've given it a lot of thought, even back seasons ago this was how I had thought they should have went): Sam and Dean don't die fighting monsters they fix the problem. We know how physically exhausted and emotionally drained the boys were of the life and how they could never see an end in sight. We saw Sam step up and become a leader of hunters (the apocalypse world peeps) and he organized them from their bunker. We know that the American Men of Letters was well organized and was successful for a while. Sam and Dean had seen how the British Men of Letters operated (though they wouldn't do everything the way those sociopaths did). Sam and Dean had powerful (literally) allies and they had connections to law enforcement hunters and other hunters who had respect for Sam and Dean's reputation. And we know that Sam and Dean knew that the life was not perfect.
I thought at some point it should have occurred to them to either unite all hunters in North America to work together as an organization to deal with monsters and ghosts etc. They (with Jodie and Donna's help) would recruit other officers, law enforcement and military etc into the fight vs forcing children to grow up in the traumatic life. Once they feel they have enough members and especially enough reputable members from Law enforcement and the military, they would bring the monster problem to the FBI, The CIA and the Government's attention by providing proof of the supernatural. For example: capturing a vampire+ Cass showing off his angelic abilities+ Rowena showing off her spells and lastly, Sam and Dean telling their story.
Either they manage to actually have a sit down with the leaders or... (which I think would have been more interesting) they basically kidnap them all using magic and their abilities to force them to believe them and open their eyes to what's been happening under their noses for so long. Then, they form their own organization that's backed and funded by the government which will tackle this problem. Sam, Dean and their friends and allies will train and educate specialized agents to become professional hunters. No more fake badges.
The general population still has no idea about what's out there.
Sam and Dean founded this movement and this is their legacy. After a few decades or so of organizing and training recruits for the agency... They retire, content that they have done enough... that they made a difference and they can be at peace knowing that they have passed on the torch and the world will continue to be safe.
That was the ending I wanted for the show and the ending I thought the fans would be content with, especially since it's surprisingly hopeful and happy and that's all we ever wanted for the boys. It also, opened up the opportunity for spinoffs and for the boys (the actors) to come back years later bringing the show back.
However... there is something good that's come out of all my over thinking...
It occurred to me that I could write my own show using this concept: A secretive law enforcement agency that deals with monsters and the supernatural without the country's citizens even knowing. So now... I've been planning that out for over a year now and I'm really excited about it. I'm hoping to call it: The natural and the Supernatural and it will be based in Canada (I'm canadian).
What will be significantly different from SUPERNATURAL and other types of shows is that they are actually law enforcement (not just a secretive group) and work for the government that's fully aware of the situation. Furthermore, there's a large number of the population that are NHPs (non human persons...aka monsters) that exist peacefully as law abiding citizens. My main characters are special detectives for the SPCIU (the Supernatural Protection and Criminal Investigation Unit) which investigates when NHPs cross the line but also fight the supernatural such as ghosts and they travel across the country and assist law enforcement (similar to how the BAU of the FBI helps assist in catching serial killers).
I don’t think anyone blames
The actors Jensen or jarrod. But it was a bad ending to a great series. Great series always have a hard time with endings
been thinking about the finale for 4 months now and still it doesn't make a lick of sense. And what does kripke mean by "you're too close to the character"? of course he's close to the character, he's playing dean most of his career and he knows the character more than any show runner or writer or anyone ever could. It's really sad that the makers didn't give a second thought about it, didn't tried to understand why is he uncomfortable with the ending, they practically shoved it to him, literally told him to "take it or leave it" and he deserved better than that. after giving up so many better offers that could've made him much more bigger than he is today, he deserved to have a say in if he didn't like the finale and he deserved to give his character an ending that he had a consent on.
I loved it when Michael went into Dean. You played it so classy, splendidly. I agree with you Jenson about the vamp nests.
Im Currently Re-watching, AGAIN for the 3 Time. Season 1-5 is just so unique and awesome, well everything including to soulless sam is awesome but especially the first 5 season are PERFECT and have the oldschool vibe.
Last seasons where really weird, still watched it cause i love the show but yeah you know, how angels and demons where portrayed for example and more was not good (middle aged woman beating angels&demons 1vs1, yet in the beginning if you hit them it was like you would hit a wall with your bare hands)
And season 15 was really not good. It just wasnt Last episode feeled so forced, just killing dean for the sake of killing him like wtf last episode was absolute nonsense, coudl have ended it with the one prior
His voice sounds so deep and Cas like . Or Dean with a cold. I’m gonna miss this show so much. Summer is coming, summer it’s on break anyway. My shows went on break with the pandemic. So it still hasn’t hit me. I think I’ll just be waiting forever for it to come back from “break” Yeah. I wasn’t happy about Rowena dying and having one scene as Queen of Hell. I was looking forward to seeing her run the place. Poor Jensen as Jared talks, trying to not cry
I’m an over the top, die hard, fanatical nut job of a fan of Supernatural. I’ve even said, and still want to, that the day I want to die is the day Supernatural ends. Lol. That being said, the ending REALLY disappointed me. I just couldn’t get over Dean, after all he’s been through, dying how he did. Then with Sam living the life for 40 or whatever years without him. It just freakin SUCKED. I hate myself for even feeling that way, because I seriously am an over the top nut case of a fan. Lol. I hope, with everything in me, that they’ll bring the show back someday. There’s no telling how many times I’ve watched every season, and continue to watch them over and over and over and over and over again.
Jensen you were right, the ending of this show absolutely missed the mark!!!
Joke's on us, it was Kripke's ending from the start
Its obvious that what Jensen disagreed about was the death of Castiel. No one else died to illicit that level of anger
I think his death was less infuriating than the fact that (apparently) Jack brought him back to life & he was just up in heaven doing whatever, and didn't even bother to go see Sam & Dean to be like 'I'm alive!' like .... that was just the most unrealistic thing! I can't even say how disturbing that was! And how, Dean, was just cool with it, when Bobby told him Castiel was cruising around heaven fixing it up. No reaction. No ... surprise. Just accepted it. Nothing made sense. NOTHING.
I think he's talking about Dean's death. It was pretty crappy to have Dean's death being so anti-climactic. Maybe killed by Chuck, something.....
I don’t like the way dean died I can’t picture him dying just like that I picture more fighting I’m sad it’s over 😞
Really Erik Kripke??? Like really?
Also the zoom in tho 3:17
I know! But, even if he hated it too, I don't know what he could've done about it. Maybe he was just trying to make Jensen feel better.
@@wonderinart8429 True. Yeah he wasn't in control anymore so you might be right, he could have secretly disliked it and just been trying to help Jensen
Here's my take on Dean's death and the overall finale ... it went against everything the show had stood for....
Hear me out:
... pretty much from the first season, Dean had said that this was how all hunters end up- bloody. But from the very first season both Sam and Dean were fighting fate, every time they were told there was no other way- they found a way... They constantly fought against expectations, beliefs, fate etc. For Dean to die like he always said he would feels like the show wasn't listening to it's own message. Here's how I thought the show should have ended (ps, I'm a screenwriter and because I love this show and have watched all 14 seasons of it over 20 times... I've given it a lot of thought, even back seasons ago this was how I had thought they should have went): Sam and Dean don't die fighting monsters they fix the problem. We know how physically exhausted and emotionally drained the boys were of the life and how they could never see an end in sight. We saw Sam step up and become a leader of hunters (the apocalypse world peeps) and he organized them from their bunker. We know that the American Men of Letters was well organized and was successful for a while. Sam and Dean had seen how the British Men of Letters operated (though they wouldn't do everything the way those sociopaths did). Sam and Dean had powerful (literally) allies and they had connections to law enforcement hunters and other hunters who had respect for Sam and Dean's reputation. And we know that Sam and Dean knew that the life was not perfect.
I thought at some point it should have occurred to them to either unite all hunters in North America to work together as an organization to deal with monsters and ghosts etc. They (with Jodie and Donna's help) would recruit other officers, law enforcement and military etc into the fight vs forcing children to grow up in the traumatic life. Once they feel they have enough members and especially enough reputable members from Law enforcement and the military, they would bring the monster problem to the FBI, The CIA and the Government's attention by providing proof of the supernatural. For example: capturing a vampire+ Cass showing off his angelic abilities+ Rowena showing off her spells and lastly, Sam and Dean telling their story.
Either they manage to actually have a sit down with the leaders or... (which I think would have been more interesting) they basically kidnap them all using magic and their abilities to force them to believe them and open their eyes to what's been happening under their noses for so long. Then, they form their own organization that's backed and funded by the government which will tackle this problem. Sam, Dean and their friends and allies will train and educate specialized agents to become professional hunters. No more fake badges.
The general population still has no idea about what's out there.
Sam and Dean founded this movement and this is their legacy. After a few decades or so of organizing and training recruits for the agency... They retire, content that they have done enough... that they made a difference and they can be at peace knowing that they have passed on the torch and the world will continue to be safe.
That was the ending I wanted for the show and the ending I thought the fans would be content with, especially since it's surprisingly hopeful and happy and that's all we ever wanted for the boys. It also, opened up the opportunity for spinoffs and for the boys (the actors) to come back years later bringing the show back.
However... there is something good that's come out of all my over thinking...
It occurred to me that I could write my own show using this concept: A secretive law enforcement agency that deals with monsters and the supernatural without the country's citizens even knowing. So now... I've been planning that out for over a year now and I'm really excited about it. I'm hoping to call it: The natural and the Supernatural and it will be based in Canada (I'm canadian).
What will be significantly different from SUPERNATURAL and other types of shows is that they are actually law enforcement (not just a secretive group) and work for the government that's fully aware of the situation. Furthermore, there's a large number of the population that are NHPs (non human persons...aka monsters) that exist peacefully as law abiding citizens. My main characters are special detectives for the SPCIU (the Supernatural Protection and Criminal Investigation Unit) which investigates when NHPs cross the line but also fight the supernatural such as ghosts and they travel across the country and assist law enforcement (similar to how the BAU of the FBI helps assist in catching serial killers).
YES, THIS IS AWESOME🤩🤩!!!
@@saanvil124 😊 Its a fantasy/dream of mine that I could be hired as a writer for the reboot and I just say to them, and make it clear to the fans, "Ok... We are just going to ignore that season 15 happened... maybe even season 14 too... we are all going to collectively forget it existed..." Then I'll write the proper finale... break for a year or two then reboot the reboot and bring back the show.
@@amandasnider2644 Hahaha, that would be pretty awesome. I agree that the ending goes against what the show is. I don’t know how likely SPN is to get rebooted, but if somehow it does, this is the story I’d want!!
I've always thought Supernatural should have ended in Season 5, regardless of how upsetting it might have been. Because the plot was garbage after Kripke left. The only thing that managed to keep the show on the rails was the support of the incredible actors and their characters. Season 6 feels off, Season 7 is strange, Season 8 is disappointing, Season 9 and 10 are boring as hell, Season 11 is mildly interesting (though I hate their characterization of God), and Season 12 is cursed. Honestly, after Season 12 the writers should have just been fired lmao. Season 13 and 14 were forgettable. Season 15 was poorly written and just stupid.
Before you @ me, think about WHY you might like that season in which I'm criticizing so harshly. Was it a character that made it tolerable? If so, then my claim still stands: the plot sucked butt.
[Note: there were some good few episodes sprinkled in each season, but the bad overwhelm the good.]
[Also note: every actor was fantastic and I have no qualms with the acting. The writing of the season's plot itself is what was consistently horrible. Each season had the potential to be good, but it just became annoyingly complex and uninteresting as they tried to hype you up for some grand finale that wasn't all that grand to begin with.]
Also, every season just kept pushing back all the character development of Seasons 1-5 and they would go back to lying to each other, even though they've probably had a billion discussions in the past about how lying only ever hurts them. It's entirely frustrating when the show has to water down a character in order for the plot to work. Like making Castiel useless and naive and cutting him out of the story because they couldn't figure out how to accommodate him. Also, just killing off characters CONSTANTLY and POINTLESSLY. We get it, it adds to the Winchesters' trauma, but at some point, the viewer starts to become numb to it. At some point, it just gets old. The dog's just doing the same old tricks because they're the only ones he knows.
Supernatural, I'll always love you to death more than any show I've ever known, but damn, you got some flaws.
Remind me never to team with you for anything; too fucking arrogant.
@@ringo666 damn bro, I'm just laying out the facts. Supernatural is far from perfect. Doesn't mean it's not still my favorite show for all their awesome characters.
I love SuperNatural and Jensen and Jared you guys are litterely the BEST 😊😊😊!!!
Anybody ever hear what he would have preferred? In all fairness the pandemic was a crappy excuse, isn't that why there's editing? We didn't even get a phone call or cameos from wherever to let us know everybody made it safely back! They should have stopped with episode 19 and let the fans choose for themselves how they lived out their futures. Even "Angel" went down fighting and they didn't even show the enemy just the sounds of them coming (voila pandemic problem solved). Just seeing how unhappy one of the main actors , both of which have given up a lot to keep this show going for the fans, pisses me off. Like a big FU for all work and dedication to the cast and fans. But Crowley did warn us 'when they decide you're done, that's it '.
HUGE fan and I hated it!!! Dean does?? Sam goes on and enjoys life without him??? Crap. Why couldn't they let these boys live life happy and free?? Awful, awful, crappy ending....Jensen's first impression was absolutely correct!!!!
Yes... I agree, BUT he found peace and happiness with Ben and Lisa. They should have made the finale the episode before the finale. Let them live.....the fans could assume they'd be happy and free as they rode off into the sunset in the Impala, not kill off Dean. I was crushed. Couldn't believe it.
It would of been better if they met up with all of their family in heaven and saw all their work, everyone they saved. Cas should of been there
@@elisabarfuss3358 Yes, if they HAD to die, then I agree. Covid or not they could have worked a way to rejoin everyone
@@connieanndepaola3050 I have an idea of how they could if done it.
Here is my idea: if Sam still died last, as he is dying he looks back at his family. They could of taken snippets of all the other seasons and made a little part showing all of the family. At the end of it, shows Dean meeting him in heaven. If they did that, they wouldn't have had to gather the actors and actresses. They had the footage already with them in it.
@@elisabarfuss3358 AMEN!!! Now why couldn't the writers figure THAT out?? During Covid I work from home and I rewatch all the episodes on TNT from 10am - 1(sometimes 3 when they show it). I sit on my couch, computer and lessons on lap with it on in the background. SO wish it didn't end!!!
why did this make me so sad
4:19
Well if you say so...
I liked the episode before the ending, I felt a kind of peace and hope that Sam & Dean where still out in the world still fighting monsters. But the ending was also something we wanted for Sam & Dean was for them to find peace too, so it did cover all bases!
Jensen you are right!I miss you and Jared!😢🙏💒
I've been a fan of this show ever since I discovered a pirated dvd set of the first 2 seasons in a little bazaar/flea market in Iraq. With not a whole lot of exciting things to do in my free time, I quickly became hooked. Watched it religiously since 2008. Best show ever in my opinion. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but, my takeaway....: One of the boys had to die. If both were alive on earth, their bond-their loyalty-their dedication to doing the right thing... they NEVER would have stopped hunting. They never would have been at peace. Which means they'd have to carry on the show for another 15 seasons. Which I'm totally on board with lol. I just can't picture Dean and Sam Winchester going to tee-ball games and neighbors BBQs... It just doesn't fit. What I think the ending did wrong, is that it only killed one of them. That was it's mistake. I think they both needed to go out in a blaze of glory, Butch and Sundance, Thelma and Louise, Bert and Ernie... Ok, that went too far, but you get my point. Surrounded by corpses of slain enemies, bleeding out while observing their last masterpiece of defiance and free will... Only to awaken in Jack's new heaven surrounded by friends and loved ones. THEN and ONLY then do you get to play "Carry on".
-End rant.
Man, I can't rember If that one interview was before or after they learned about the ending, but he spoiled the ending so subtly that no one caught it, or he didn't know it. Lol
Which one?
@@emilyjay7844 not gonna say it here and potentially spoil it for people who haven't seen the ending yet lol
@@chrisrose4920 its been 5 months.. and why would someone whos not finished the show ve watching this
THE ENDING RUINED A GREAT SHOW !!! and guess what ... spoiler Dean dies via vampire...rofl
i mean come on the one thing Dean wanted was family .. could of least gave him his family in the after life!!!
HELL SAM GOT ON !!!
Damn you Kripke!
they brainwashed him 😭😭
The minute we had to take to think about the finale to dig it takes months now and I don’t see it to end
I haven't seen it. Did it pull a game of thrones? Never pull a full game of thrones.
Netflix Spinoff Ladies & Gentlemen ?
So many shots. He hates the ending
Yeah, it wasn't the greatest ending. I was thinking they could've turned Dean into a vampire to save him, then cure him of that.
I understand...
...the realities of shooting around a quarantine multiplied the logistical difficulties;
... that, as has often been noted, Jared is the #1 on the show (although Dean carried most of it, IMO), and would be considered "last to die";
... numerous references during the show where Dean expressed the desire of, and satisfaction with, dying on the job;
But the ending pretty much sucked ass.
Years ago, when the end of the boys' road was tossed around, I thought an apt ending would have been for BOTH to expire after a climactic battle in which both were mortally wounded, and in their last moment, have a benevolent Chuck welcome them to heaven. Now, with malevolent Chuck as the final villain, it would have to be Jack welcoming them. The few minutes of Bobby filling in the blanks about 'new heaven' was necessary, but could have been done with both brothers.
The finale as filmed was, in a single word, CONTRIVED.
Hated it then hate it now. Writers should be blackballed.
My Dresden Files RPG group agreed: There are GMs out there who could write a better season than this was.
I hated the ending, they copied Vampire Diaries
The finale took many of us fans by surprise but in the end this was the only way to end the show in the long run. They knew no matter what ending they choose it couldn't please everyone. I say they did a damn good job! Both brothers are together at peace and we know Cas and jack and together making heaven and hopefully Earth a better place!
Yeah glad to know Jensen was not the only person that was not impressed with the finale because honestly it didn't make any f****** sense. Yeah for years on the show Sam and Dean always had Loose Ends they never tied like the wife of the Rougarou who got away who was pregnant yes sooner or later one of those loose ends would come back and kill Sam and Dean. Jenny was not one of it, Jenny the vampire was John's loose end after he killed Luther he let Jenny and Luther's girlfriend getaway..
If 2020 Sam and Dean met this version of John Winchester they would have schooled him they would have told him you are a hunter finish the job.
Some fans refuse to admit that John Winchester was way too obsessed with yellow eyes for Revenge he didn't care who would live or die in his destructive path as long as yellow eyes was killed just like how Dean was when Kevin died.
I'm pretty sure months before the finale Jensen already knew what was going to happen that's why months before the finale Jensen was talking about maybe four years from now he wants to do a reboot of Supernatural he wants to come back as Dean Winchester.
I remember after the finale I made a discussion about such topic and I got so much hate Prejudice and death threats just for talkin about it in spn community it's just f***** up and Society whenever somebody tries to make a discussion about a video game a TV show or a movie when somebody disagrees their response is act like a f****** child.
It sucked.
How could it of ended? They beat God so...there's nothing else that could of killed Dean. Not to mention covid ruined the ending as well
@@darkchiefReborn according to what i've seen from that book the only thing that covid changed was that there were less people in heaven, which is definitely not what most of us are angry about lol
I wonder how money more minutes it will take for the fandom to realize that Jensen came to terms with the finale because of Eric Kripke
Ein scheiss Nagel in der Wand!? Nein ich hab es nicht wirklich gesehen und ich werde es mir nicht ansehen!!! Die letzten 4 Folgen sehe ich mir nicht an!!!
Folge 19 war okay als wrap up, Folge 20 dagegen war einfach nur beschissen und hätte man sich sparen können
Hell I didn't even want it to end! I think it could've been better, but I understand that it was ...ofcourse...covid
Just a" quick" thoughts about the finale. They are keeping saying us :"Never give up" basically throughout 15 years. And it's difficult already in a normal situation, BUT you both said it to people who have bad thoughts and not good life or health. NOW as Jensen said before a lot of times is that Supernatural was an extremely effective and important speech to and with the fans. So never give up.
But Dean speech was too long and for all the last two seasons(and maybe more, who wants to see it will be overwhelming from Dean 's death indications) they kept the innuendo about Dean' s Death and it's ok if you make it fast, but they choose a LONG POINTLESS SPEECH. So I 'm Dean' brother and I don't even call 911 to at least try to help him out, at least a try? So Sam was so egoistic to let him die to finally got his freedom? No I think, I truly FELT AND FEEL that Dean and Sam lied to us all along all Supernatural years, because Dean simply gives up Lady and Gentlemen! The truth is that the last minutes of Dean and Sam's lifes are too much dedicated to resume all and say goodbye to the audience to complete a rush to the hospital (even with a death but a try) some one needed a try to make their Never give up, we all are Winchester, and family don't end with blood and bla bla bla not a big made up statement for create a link with us there aren't really a link? They care? They cared for real about what they said for years? Or did they say that just because sounds cool? I felt like I was betrayed by them ( or authors or both) because a rush to hospital would be more dramatic and more life like than : save all and go home to dreank a beer for me. More logistic way to put a period mark? More interesting stuff to think about, more clever choices and a better writers? Maybe you all can say that nothing is perfect but Buffy finale episode was epic, more than perfect, the story ended with a meaning, with a lot of energy and they taught to us the Strength, the loneliness, the apocalypse, the family done by friends who fight with you and sometimes even enemies, they said to us : Fandom, are you ready to keep in your mind and heart what we shared and taught to you and be strong without us? OK?! Be a Slayer you all either!! So Supernatural close the door to the audience, to the Fandom and left us with Jensen kidding on Dean's death in a Instagram post. Cruel, pointless, stupid. I've cronic pain disease and sometimes it 's simply to much, but we all have problems and daily "demon" to fight so, dear Jensen, dear Jared, dear authors :if one day I will find a stick on the wall I will not try to don't give up, but I will die in a stupid death, even if I' m a true warrior I will make a long useless speech to say goodbye ad Give Up. Because it's HERE the point to be linked with your family and supporters and fans :tell them that they can also give up in a stupid way because we are useless for them. They let me down. They could write ten minutes more and don't behave like Chuck with Sam and Dean. They had the power and they wasted like is not a suggestion for the people who are the true story :us. They choose to not spend more time with the people who made them great who gave them awards and let us down to underline that we are not important to them. Shame on you.
I didn't like it at the beginning. It was "meh" for me. But the more I think about it it kinda makes sense. Chuck isn't writing their story anymore. So normal ways of dying on a hunt are possible for them. And Sam is able to see that his brother wants this to be his way out, and that he wants him to live a life that he's wanted and couldn't have because Chuck wouldn't let him. It sucks and is anticlimactic but kinda makes sense.
Nobody likes Dean final that's true, but guys you have to admit that it's make sense. Dean always says that if he dies he will do it on a hunt. Maybe is a little 'meh' because they pass through a lot and dying like for the good, to save the world, like a sacrifice would be better than the way he died. We all wanted to see Dean happy and living with a family, etc. But we all see through all the seasons that he couldn't let the hunter life go, instead of Sam, he can do that, we see it. But not Dean :( The good part is that they are not "die" at all, the are in heaven together with their family and friends. And how Jensen says, when they get bored and they see it's been enough they'll go to Jack and he bring them back. Is not that bad :((
oof
Y'all need to remember that the ending that was given to us wasn't the exact ending they were planning on doing. They probably kept some of the items they originally planned, but Covid-19 really damaged a lot when it came to the show. Although it wasn't what we wanted, it was what we got. I think Jensen, Jared, and Misha tried their hardest to give us the ending we were hoping. I think we should be happy that they tried their hardest and leave it at that.