@@cheesecake7159Women do support other women. Why do you think they intentionally lie to each other all the time? While also thanking each other for doing it? 😂😂😂
@@333angeleyes segment totally ignored the title of the video. Not one mention of why the WNBA isn't profitable despite record breaking year. Pay attention.
and she talks about raising money from investors which they want a return on that investmen talk about earning money so it becomes profitable and sustainable which it wont...
Modern Media has forgotten how to do math. Zaccharie Risacher is making $12.6M because the Atlanta Hawks brought in$326M in revenue in 2023, and they aren't even in the top 15 highest earning teams. By comparison Caitlin Clark's Indiana Fever made $9M last year. The facts are there, if no one watches the games, then the players don't make any money.
Because one year of popularity does not lead to a successful league. Let's wait and see if this popularity continues. Second, honestly, the WNBA is a minor league compared to the men. As someone who makes and lives on 51k, the idea that they cannot live on 200K is dumbfounding to me.
To be fair how well you can live off that much depends on where you are and what other services are required. $200K in a small town or even city is plenty. $200K in a HUGE city like LA or New York where you have to live in more congested areas for work and are expected to subsidize costs of training and medicine? Not so much. Then learning your male counterparts make 10x that, even if it makes sense why, adds salt to the wound. (Not saying that's specifically what's happening here but as an example.)
BG was lucky that the Biden/Harris Administration traded a very dangerous arms dealer and sadistic murderer for her. Why? Left wing politics of course!
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Why my TH-cam channel that no one watches doesn't make the same money as Mr Beast?
I hate when they say don't compare the two leagues then immediately compare the two leagues, if we compare both leagues at the same 27 year mark, remember the NBA did it on its own, the W is subsidized by men..
The NBA has grown since cable tv and they can show every game on tv in local markets. This wasn't a thing for the NBA for a long time. People have had access to WNBA games since day one.
@@vinyllpreviews9462 - No they didn't. All WNBA games weren't shown on regional cable TV. They were mainly shown on their local independent TV channels. You were lucky to see one national regular season WNBA game per week, for a long time. Only the playoffs was shown on the national stage.
Space and economic possibilites aren't equal. It's the same if i want to try to create another Basketball league in the US, the cost will be much higher than if i had started it 80 years earlier.
I like how a player making $212,000 for a 5 month season NEEDS to supplement her income by playing in another league in another country. If you can't live comfortably off $212g for 5 months of work, that's a you problem, not a league problem.
UNTIL CAITLIN CLARK! The only American athlete today that sells out anything they put her name into. I guess you haven't heard how her jersey sales is more than the entire Dallas Cowboys team, her game on NBA TV beat all NBA games that played last year, WIlson balls sold out in minutes, and the list goes on and on...
@@JerryThomas-fg9ms because women are hot in those category, do you find hot on wnba? the only time men watch women sports are if they are hot like volleyball and the sports you mention. if they look like gorilla, good luck with that. In numbers, not all women like WNBA. and men only watch if it has cool factor and hot women, if those are missing and considering most of women dont watch WNBA then its revenue plummet.
For videos that I upload, I put on comments. Although on those videos I choose to hold such comments to determine which ones should be posted, only a handful of channels (mainly, among those that I have found, channels run by government-funded TV networks) just don’t allow comments at all while so many other TH-cam channels instead allow posting of comments. When I post a comment, I recognize the need to follow TH-cam’s Terms of Service, I have no problem following such terms as long as they are fairly enforced.
It's genuinely pathetic how every single wnba related video has incels spewing the same "no one watches" bs despite the league getting millions of viewers and selling out arenas. Why do dudes want this league to fail so bad?😂
Good piece, but don't act like the WNBA hasn't done things that's counterintuitive for sustained growth by prioritizing identity politics and catering to various non-growth inducing agendas.
Why do they frame this issues as an american right? Like these women deserve a league thats paying them Millions 😂😂 like stop it. Thats not how business works.
It is a business. The video was mostly about the growing pains of the league. It is aspirational if anything. I don't why people get the ick off of a puff piece.
@@MrNavin43 No it isn't a business. Businesses make money, the WNBA on the other hand can only exist because other businesses that actually make money fund it. It is a charity.
@@dissect123 I'm not a Finance aficionado but i'm pretty sure the WNBA is a business. Now the argument is, is if it's a profitable business which currently it's not but that maybe changing in the future due to Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, A'ja Wilson and other promising stars current or future. Another example is Uber and the AI companies like OpenAI. I think Uber just reported it's first annual profit but in prior years were in the negative. OpenAI has been heavily subsidized by various party's in the trillions of dollars and yet hasn't even come close to breaking even
@@dissect123 Some point in the future they will make money, the investors to the WNBA are betting on it. Demographics favor it, tv deals prove it. If there is demand for college basketball, there will be a demand for WNBA. One thing many people in these comment section don't understand is that there is a huge demand for sports team from the owner/equity side, forget the millionaires that are bing minted in the US everyday, there are nations states (saudi and qatar) and billionaires looking to buy sport teams, if the WNBA proves to be even 1/10 the league NBA is, then these teams will get swooped up. Not only will the WNBA thrive, they will expand in the coming years, there is just too much money sloshing around and not enough toys to be bought. Even just for brownie points someone could buy one of these teams for 500 million. MUH WAHMN CAN't BALL, it literally doesn't matter. People used to think women wouldn't like video games, they don't like gyms. Within the last 10 years the majority of the gyms are filled with women now. All WNBA needs is a genrational talent like CC and some marketing for this to take off. If you can make esports a thing, making WNBA viable is a piece of cake.
HAAAAA right. When Lisa Leslie implored the top 20 highest paid players of the NBA to donate a portion of their salary to the players of the W, Draymond Green shut that silly idea down quick. Let's flip it, if the ladies of the W had the money that players of NBA had do you think that they would've donated any part of their salaries to the men or would they tell the men to be a man and figure it out?
@@Mrcruzan And that's the crazy part. There's a lot of those players in the W who believe that they all deserve 500K, 1M or more per season. I guess she believes that equal pay goes across the board, watch what that does to their locker rooms.
CC brought a lot of casual white fans to the league... in 2 years if she doesnt win a chip or an mvp that will fall off but if she can be the larry bird of the W they will maintain a little but... if reese can challenge her and the rivalery continues then the league will explode... CC cant do it alone, she needs a rival... and right now that rival is reese who is massively popular on the internet
If CC came in cocky as many young athletes do I could understand the W players hatin but if we’re talking about getting a bag I just don’t understand how more players haven’t been excited for positive eyes WHERE EVER THEY COME FROM. when Durant was asked about Wemby before he came in it sounded nothing of hate and everything of competition. We’re talking about business. Angel and CC’s rivalry is great. When Messi came to Miami everyone was elated. CC has up’d the W legends at EVERY stop. Yall trippin if you don’t want her to find her home in the W.
The WNBA only plays 40 games per season vs the men’s 82 games not including playoffs games plus the league has never turned a profit since it’s inception but the players keep complaining about their salary which is crazy. Women don’t support the WNBA.
Stern had the foresight in setting up WNBA and growing the NBA to what it is today. If you weren't a toolbag you would see the business opportunity in having a professional female league. The NBA is way ahead of the NFL and Basball in this way. Also the men aren't subsidizing the league out of their kindness, these people will exit 15 years from now making a killing like Mark Cuban did earlier this year. MuH MEN, like these rich owners even care about you lmAO.
It's interesting they didn't mention that record-breaking $2 million gate was for an New York v. Indiana game. I don't think NY has gotten as close to that figure with other teams. I know, they don't like calling out the Caitlin Carter Effect, but it is there! As has been reported, the Fever has 19 confirmed regular-season games with 1+ million viewers while only 3 other games not featuring CC's team reached that viewership mark. Some teams moved their Fever matches to larger venues to handle the crowds they attract. No other franchise/player is doing that. Astounding impact!
@@itsjustkosi7209u know damn well this started this season, and only some teams get that. For the most part wnba games historically are very poorly attended. Usually they have to give tickets away
@@whatupgangsta when did i say it didn’t start this season? don’t put words in my mouth. Setting historic numbers is growth so them saying nobody watches when the league has grown this much in 1 season is unfair
@@whatupgangsta imagine how much growth it’ll get when paige, juju and flau jae start playing, this’ll start being the norm along with caitlin and angel bringing crowds
@@whatupgangsta plus the whole video is about the league’s growth in incoming years. why are y’all so stuck in the past? yes the w has had poor seasons but it’s changing and quickly while people like you seem to almost root for its downfall
The argument that angel reese is bringing in fans at the same rate as Caitlin Clark is ridiculous now that she’s injured and there has been no drop off should tell you everything
I've tried watching a full WNBA game this year. However after watching a plethora of missed layups, sloppy turnovers, slow paced game (and no dunking)....I end up turning the channel to baseball or football. Sure, Caitlin Clark makes great passes (that often result in missed layups or turnovers because the player she passed it to couldnt handle the pass) and shoots deep, stepback threes that are entertaining to watch. However, if no one else in The WNBA does things like that....why even watch it? I have yet to watch a non-CC game this year. If I'm going to invest 2 hours each game (over a full season) watching WNBA games...I have to be entertained! Missed layups, sloppy turnovers, slow paced basketball....is BORING. The level of talent is going to have to increase. I'm talking about talent that is ENTERTAINING TO WATCH!
The NBA was in trouble in the 80's till Bird and Magic entered the league and their college rivalry made their rivalry epic in the NBA, now you have Reese and Caitlin... they have to capitalize on their stardom... if they don't then they deserve to fail...
Bro, that's what I've been saying. The Magic-Bird rivalry brought alot of new fans to the league. Same setup. Bird chasing Magic because Magic kept winning until Bird finally won. All these chicks, well chick, has to do is just play her part. But.......she can't because that would take humility.
@@hitek9too255 its two different games, but they are both equally as good... Reese already won a championship over Clark, Just Like Magic had one over Bird before they got to the NBA...
Why is it bad they play in a second league? Also, if you’re going to use the men’s league as a comparison, men’s league regular season is 82 vs women’s 40
It bothers me how they repeatedly imply sexism because WNBA players are not paid as much as NBA players (while the NBA continues to lose money on the WNBA they created). But they downplay the fact that the very same WNBA players make far more money doing the exact same thing overseas! WNBA players are now making big bucks in endorsement deals. They need to stop the blatant sexism and sniveling to be viable with sponsors but they can’t seem to do that.
Look at all those empty seats in that Sun vs Liberty game.🤦 Reality is a lot of new fans are watching for Caitlin and that's it. They still don't care about the WNBA as a whole. If we take away Clark from the equation, the buzz for the WNBA will disappear in an instant. So if Indiana doesn't make it to the finals this year (I doubt they will), the WNBA finals will see a steep decline in attendance.
I’m glad this reporting STARTED by taking a step back and addresses the real reason WNBA players don’t make as much money as NBA players (investment, viewership, history, etc) and not just pandering about women always being paid unequally lol. if the WNBA keep this up, they’ll begin to close the gap. But they have DECADES of smart business and great basketball to go.
Yep..... NHL players don't make as much as NFL players - comparisons between different leagues seem to always fail to emphasize the obvious - that they are different products. They generate different levels of revenue. When the W brings in as much revenue as the NBA then the salaries will be comparable.
Don’t forget the thing with Brittany grinder and her medical weed she failed to make sure that it was legal for her to bring it. That’s why she was in prison her own negligence to do research on that country caused that.
Television rights probably brings in more money than ticket sales. Doesn't make sense to compete with other more popular leagues that have weekend slots.
Cathy Englebert only understands cold numbers, not hot tickets and certainly not racial bias. It would be good for women’s basketball if the WNBA could start again with a different business model and different Executive. I don’t have a belief that the WNBA has the desire to change.
They are going in the right direction. It's continued progress that will help them get there. Nobody can win if the players compare with already well-established NBA, but if they are patient and persistent, hopefully the players and staff get compensated for what they bring to the business.
I love that the players condemn their commissioner for not addressing fan racism against Blacks, while the Black players continue to racially mistreat Caitlin Clark.
WNBA need to stand on its own without NBA subsidies, and it can pay its players however much it can afford. That is basic economics. You can’t ask other entity to subsidize your player salaries.
NBA player salaries are a direct result of the league's profitability. The WNBA is a charity organization atp. If it ever becomes profitable, player salaries will go up.
Comparing WNBA and NBA on pay is like comparing why your pay is not equal to the pay of the CEO. Show your viewers that you have value and the money would come rolling in, whining all day ain't gonna get you anywhere in this country.
I dont think there is a single business minded individual, that would pay more for a team, than the entire league is worth. 140million for the Las Vegas Aces? What a dream that is!
Vegas is an unicorn. Or at least has been in the past. The NBA involvement is not altruistic. They saw a way to add 20 revenue dates to the buildings the own or control. They also saw relatively inexpensive way to get women off their equity back. A couple of million a year is a rounding error to a NBA owner, almost exclusively billionaires. The revenue model makes them effectively first to get their money back. So no tears for NBA owners. It's hard to paint a economic picture that portraits the women in a bigger light. Removing C. Clark from the picture, the league is so slowly growing its laughable. Everyone, including Bill Burr, is right. Nobody is watching the game. Remove CC from the counts and viewership on average is less than a couple of million on its best day. Now the hundreds of millions dollar question is CC gonna take this league on her back. I have enjoyed watching her. She is pure basketball. She is also marketable as hell. She has a team around her who with one exception is young and also very marketable. But even the teams real veteran is young. There is resentment within the league for that as it will result in more money for her teammates. Gonna be interesting to see if in the new CBA there are more revenue sharing methods from richer to poorer. At the moment local money is all local. So merch is all retained. Big plus for a merchant town like Vegas. Which is where Vegas comes back in. Vegas never had sports teams because of the gambling issue. Now that pretty much every state has some form of legalized gaming, they were able to overcome the objection. Short of baseball every sport is represented. It's too damn hot in summer to play baseball in Vegas. So women's basketball makes much more sense. It's the only sports ticket in town. So for all these reasons, Vegas is a unicorn when it comes to valuation. Now is it enough? Time will tell. You also have a break to Canadian teams. The legal and tax issues on top of the other socialistic state of Canadian politics make rationalization of the economics to much for my American brain. The currency issues alone...
I love the way the whole video ignored the fact that the current surge in popularity of the WNBA, and the new TV deals and other investment, is pretty much the sole responsibility of one player, and we all know who that is. If she gets hurt or can't play anymore, watch it all fall apart. Then back to buses and cheap motels.
You can’t get paid more if you are literally not making a profit. It does not matter if the WNBA is making record gross revenue. Revenue does not mean anything. What matters is revenue minus expenses which equals profit. The WNBA is still not profitable so the players cannot ask for more money when their business is literally in bankruptcy every single year since it started.
This argument has been talked about into exhaustion everyone knows until they can keep the fans coming to games on a consistent basis then they will have leverage in their next collective bargaining agreement till then they do anything they should be worrying about turning a profit for the first time ever
It's about splits. Which is an interesting idea. I enjoyed getting a little more insight from this video. It's not about them making LeBron money, but them getting a percentage of the revenue that's closer to the NBA players. They mentioned a strategy where if the league has a 20% increase from the previous season, only then will the players get a cut of the 20% growth, and not the whole pie. Some shaky business going on in that league, and the players know it.
The WNBA has been losing money since its inception. Broth does not mean profitable. Why should the league pay 50% of its growth while still being in the red and subsidized by the NBA?
To be honest the racism that Magic, and Bird experienced boosted the league attendance for those teams. Not saying it's right, but that kind of rivalry in this country makes money.
@@ronniewells5231same. Aces has been my second favorite sports team behind the Lakers over these past few years. Them ladies be BALLIN! They're also a trip behind the scenes. Really entertaining crop, but a lot of folks just aren't interested in ladies hooping. That's more of a reflection of society than the quality of play. Them women are undeniable.
Comments are always more honest and insightful than the bullshyte that comes from CNBC and other corporate media. Sports are entertainment. In 2024, the salary of ENTERTAINERS is always, always, always dependent on how many people are paying to CONSUME the entertainment. Look at the UFC or Music/Singers or Modelling etc etc if you doubt this. The fact is that women's basketball is NOT entertaining relative to the NBA.... unless you have a human drama like Clark vs Reese.
The problem lies with the racism shown by the black players against CC this year. That turned off fans that saw what was happening and this showed in the massive drop in both audience and viewer attendance after the Fever left the play offs. The WNBA mismanaged the opportunity that CC brought them badly.The racism was not from the fans, it was from a particular group of players and the commission refused to stop it for fear of backlash from those players.
The WNBA reminds me of a guy who's always in debt. He gets a promotion that doubles his salary and he goes out and buys a brand new car and nicer clothes. Instead of new practice facilities and chartered flights, how about saving some money?
Off the top of my head, Spotify, Tesla, Uber, most food delivery apps, most meal kit apps, Amazon before AWS, most of Silicon Valley, and plenty of other companies operate at a loss. Investors care about growth and market capture a lot a lot a lot more than profit. I keep seeing it brought up that the WNBA should be out of business and I don’t understand why. If the right people see value in the WNBA, it will continue to exist.
@@stevelarkins4145but it’s true, no? In order to grow the way they are wanting grow, the majority of their new fans will probably have to be women. I think most men that like sports have already decided whether they are willing or not to watch wnba games so the pool of new possible fans is way less than new possible women fans.. I don’t think what he commented is wrong at all.. they need female fans and they need it consistently through the years
Its year 27. I remember when the NBA games were tape delayed on tv. Then the rivaly of Bird/Magic, new cable networks, and the marketing of David Stern, the NBAs growth exposure went tenflod. All sports need rivalrys to draw interest. Take tips from boxing, pro wrestling, football n politics, etc, and then watch the interest & money increase.
They are set to still be 50mil in debt. They have never had a profitable season. They dont play the same number of games as the NBA, yet they want the same pay. That doesnt make sense. The logic being used is sick, he said, "the tv money is why the NBA salary is 100x's more. " No sir! If i supplement your league every year since since it was created, you dont have enough fans that pay for your product, the games aren't exciting enough, they dont play enough games per year. At some point the entire truth must be shared.
Like to see 2023 vs. 2024 valuation; your cash cow is Caitlin with Angel failing her team. The comparisons to men's leagues are completely inappropriate. Plus, the NBA should stop funding the WNBA The league is seeing such good success because of Caitlin Clark. Why are the vast majority of the highest attended games in 2024 played in by Caitlin ?
Ignoring how monumental of an impact Caitlin Clark has on the popularity of every game she plays in is quite dishonest journalism to simply put it as the WNBA being more popular as a whole.
@@SoYappyYou're a clown. The league has lost money every damn year since its existence. Let me remind you also that the NBA has 30 teams. The WNBA has 12. Do some basic math. How much would the 12 teams need to earn to match an average NBA salary? Oh, wait. They can't. The WNBA loses money every year - to the point where the NBA literally has to bail them out to keep the league alive. But yeah. Blame "equal pay" woes on sexism or something. 🤡
Let's jump into a time machine and go back to the start of the 1980's. Nobody was watching the NBA, the Finals was on tape delay until 1982, most teams didn't turn a profit. Then the NBA started building their brand and it started with Magic and Bird but exploded when one special player came onto the scene in 1984 - Michael Jordan. The WNBA and it's players need to be patient and truly stand behind and market their special players starting with CC.
Is any women's league self-sufficient and profitable?) Even women don't watch these games. But women players demand the same salaries as in the men's leagues - WHY?!) But they don't think about it - they just demand it.
“Modest earnings” stem from “negative profits”. Most of the women fans or feminists complaining about women’s pay in sports, don’t show up to any games or buy merch to support women athletes 🤦🏻♂️
I would give the W 5 more years to turn a profit. THe NBA should pull the plug after that , if the W isn't profitable. A fraction of the savings should then be diverted to women's collegiate programs.
No need to overthink this one....the reason is obvious: outside of Caitlin Clark, and maybe one or two other players, the overall quality of basketball / skill level in the WNBA is awful. Nobody wants to see people brick layups.
Because one player was the driving force behind breaking those records. If you look at the games that broke records, nearly all of them (if not all) featured Caitlin Clark. Basically, Caitlin Clark had a record breaking year, the rest of the WNBA is business as usual with all the flaws and failures that has entailed. What is shocking to me is that the WNBA players are doubling down on this, saying they'd rather continue to provide a sub par product than embrace CC for the amazing market potential that she has. I'll put it plainly. The WNBA remains a largely unlikeable mess. To most fans, it comes across as a bunch of whiny, petty brats who are more interested in trying to push social agendas than actually doing their job. It shows. Their product (WNBA basketball) is mostly dated, boring and lacks passion (and I say that as a fan of NCAA women's basketball). It's a bunch of players throwing up awkward layups...basically 1960's NBA play without thunderous dunks and rejections at the rim that made old-school basketball exciting to watch. Add onto that the whiny, petty players and you have a recipe for something that no one watches or really cares about. CC is popular because her style of play (stepbacks, flashy passes, long threes) is reminiscent of the modern NBA game and because she is a likeable star personality. She doesn't whine or try to cram a social agenda down my throat, she talks about how she enjoys playing and is grateful that she has the opportunity to play professionally. Wow, someone who is humble and grateful...hard to see why she'd have fans... WNBA players need to realize that criticism of their poor product and personalities is not racism/sexism. They need to drop the delusional "our play is great, it's the same as the NBA". It is most certainly NOT and even someone with zero basketball knowledge can tell that from watching five minutes. They need to drop the delusion that they have this fanbase of loyal female followers who are cheering for them...most WNBA fans before CC were creepy, middle-aged white guys. I have several female friends who love basketball...not a single one watches the WNBA or follows any of their players other than CC and Angel Reese. When two rookies are your most followed players, that is a sign that you are failing as a league.
Lowering the rim for women would make the game more exciting to watch. Men have a physical advantage, so constantly comparing the two isn't fair. No one really wants to watch professional women’s basketball players just doing layups-lowering the rim could bring more excitement to the game.
I’m a big fan of the W but this is true. When the men’s game gets sloppy we get dunks to reenergize the game. When W gets sloppy the best you get is a layup and they aren’t as tall as men so they miss more.
i think many would struggle to dunk even if the rim was 9 ft...look how below the rim they play! and then they would be ridiculed for struggling to dunk on 9 ft rims and would be embarrassing
@@atxgaming6998 That's how it should be, the rim shouldn't be so low that every one of them could dunk it like in the NBA. It should be just low enough so only the most exceptional players can dunk it.
But lowering the rim would deviate from the regulation for the rim height on the international scene. Having two different rim heights, one for WNBA, one for the rest of the world, would impede the WNBA players in the international scene, especially so for the Olympic Games.
No one asks why male OF workers get paid less than women OF workers
Asking the real question
Order fulfillment? Osteoporosis financials?
bad performance
Order fulfillment
Good one.
It is not how business works. Pro sports are businesses, not human rights.
BUT MUH FEELZ!@#!
Thats how slavery & Colonialism started
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At no point were Women asked why they do not go to games. Perhaps start there?
Exactly.
Because women don't watch sports while men do. The criticism is that why are men so sexist that they only want to watch male sports.
You ask women to watch sport and support other women? 😂
@@cheesecake7159Women do support other women. Why do you think they intentionally lie to each other all the time? While also thanking each other for doing it? 😂😂😂
@@DavidKen878Talk is different than money.
Master class in ignoring the elephant in the room.
The WNBA is extremely ghetto ?
Which is?
Women not watch those matches which boosts ad revenue leading to higher pays and partnerships
@@333angeleyes IYDKYDK 🤷♀
@@333angeleyes segment totally ignored the title of the video. Not one mention of why the WNBA isn't profitable despite record breaking year. Pay attention.
At no point does the video explain why it's saying the league is losing money
You see this is a start. The wnba will need many record breaking years like this one to recuperate what they have lost.
What a surprise. Liberal media gaslighting every step of the way.
Thanks for saving me 19 minutes 4:19 I stopped here
Thanks for the heads up. I'm out.
@@Matthew7.7 didn't they only save you 15min then since you were already 4min in
If women supported the WNBA like the men support the NBA, the league would much more finically stable.
That would require women being held accountable. Since women and accountability do not mix, it is never going to happen.
As a woman I don’t even watch NBA, why would I be interested in WNBA??
@@Dunya.travel congrats you just proved his point💀
@@shivi9799 thanks that’s what I was trying to do?? 😂
The rising
Majority of the people behind this video don’t even watch the WNBA 😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly why it's not profitable, no one really watches
and she talks about raising money from investors which they want a return on that investmen talk about earning money so it becomes profitable and sustainable which it wont...
Started watching games and highlights of CC this year.
Something something something virtue signaling...
@@RM360CRwhy’re you always praying on their downfall?
Honestly, it's depressing. After you see someone blow 3 layups in a row, you start to wonder why you're watching.
Or Turn the ball OVER so much now that's Depressing
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That's how you get your rebound stats up -- miss, get your own rebound, again, then maybe make third 2 foot shot.
The first season i watched WNBA games and I'm reminded in each game why I always thought WNBA was a joke
Or after you see the 2 best players of the winning team in game 5 of the finals go a combined 5-34. I mean WTF??
Modern Media has forgotten how to do math. Zaccharie Risacher is making $12.6M because the Atlanta Hawks brought in$326M in revenue in 2023, and they aren't even in the top 15 highest earning teams. By comparison Caitlin Clark's Indiana Fever made $9M last year. The facts are there, if no one watches the games, then the players don't make any money.
The WNBA lost $50 million last year and was subsidized for $50 million by the NBA.
I thought it was way more
They need to be OUT OF BUSINESS ‼️
If they got paid what they're worth, they would be paying the league for the privilege of playing.
I feel like you have no idea what you’re talking about.
LMMFAO. Newsflash Einstein, they have always been co-owned and subsidized by the NBA. WTH is your point
Because one year of popularity does not lead to a successful league. Let's wait and see if this popularity continues. Second, honestly, the WNBA is a minor league compared to the men. As someone who makes and lives on 51k, the idea that they cannot live on 200K is dumbfounding to me.
fr like how you cant live on 200k+??
let's not forget that's only for 5 months of work, they can still work other jobs for the rest of the year
@@chadallenchan yes they all have collage cuz they aren’t a legible to play in wnba till 22 so they must have off time jobs
To be fair how well you can live off that much depends on where you are and what other services are required. $200K in a small town or even city is plenty. $200K in a HUGE city like LA or New York where you have to live in more congested areas for work and are expected to subsidize costs of training and medicine? Not so much. Then learning your male counterparts make 10x that, even if it makes sense why, adds salt to the wound. (Not saying that's specifically what's happening here but as an example.)
@@RoseEyed thats a good point but many people can live off that much money bc in america 200 k anywhere is good money
Women rather watch Basketball Wives than watch women play basketball. That's the revenue problem.
they can’t admit the obvious,men and women are different 🤔
@@skepticalsmurfsad facts
Clueless...meaning you and your comment.
That is true there is more versions of that and real housewives than WNBA cities
the Kardashians
“She was found In possession of medical marijuana” medical marijuana does not exist in Russia💀
Adding "medical" sounds better than marijuana I guess. Trafficking drugs is what they should have said.
I'm pretty sure she just brought it from the US and was caught on the way out lol
Pops😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice way of saying she was bailed out of a foreign prison for drug possession.
BG was lucky that the Biden/Harris Administration traded a very dangerous arms dealer and sadistic murderer for her. Why? Left wing politics of course!
Why my TH-cam channel that no one watches doesn't make the same money as Mr Beast?
Mostly due to racism, sexisms and other things
Yup
@@AG-yc7vt
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Pretty much. Can't believe CNBC created a full length video about it.
A total mystery
Stop comparing WNBA to NBA. There are not the same level of business.
Or anywhere near the level of athletic prowess/entertainment.
The headline on this video changed. It was originally "Why Do WNBA Salaries Lag Despite League's Popularity?"
lol
And highlighting AR like she is anywhere on PAR. AR is is like the joker to Caitlins being the Batman.
They change the headline to draw in more clicks from the trolls
@@GrumpyCat-mw5xlSeek help please. Your misogynoir is showing.
@@joel2421 haha well people do love the joker. Without the joker there is no Batman
I hate when they say don't compare the two leagues then immediately compare the two leagues, if we compare both leagues at the same 27 year mark, remember the NBA did it on its own, the W is subsidized by men..
The NBA has grown since cable tv and they can show every game on tv in local markets. This wasn't a thing for the NBA for a long time. People have had access to WNBA games since day one.
@@vinyllpreviews9462 - No they didn't. All WNBA games weren't shown on regional cable TV. They were mainly shown on their local independent TV channels. You were lucky to see one national regular season WNBA game per week, for a long time. Only the playoffs was shown on the national stage.
Space and economic possibilites aren't equal. It's the same if i want to try to create another Basketball league in the US, the cost will be much higher than if i had started it 80 years earlier.
@@finisher3x it isn't like Tennis. It's less exciting and sometimes embarrassing to watch.
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Immediately, Bill Burr's Red Rock special popped up in my mind.
Yep 😅
I was searching for this comment 😂😂
Word 😂😂
You're not wrong 😂
When I think of the WNBA, this is what I think of. th-cam.com/video/Wj64MOGagSM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tG60n8fIb2RbD_in
I like how a player making $212,000 for a 5 month season NEEDS to supplement her income by playing in another league in another country. If you can't live comfortably off $212g for 5 months of work, that's a you problem, not a league problem.
I think it is a retirement $$$ issue.
Wonder what they make in europe or other leagues
I’m not going to sympathize for someone saying 200k isn’t enough
For 6 months.
Compared to nba less pay though
@@back2the80sYa cuz it's the NBA
Women's sports don't make money, period. Men's fashion industry doesn't make as much as women's. It is natural to have a pay gap.
Because most women don't watch sports, and if they do they watch men's sports.
in most cases, yes. some sports do though such as tennis, gymnastics, etc. it's usually going to be the individual sports.
UNTIL CAITLIN CLARK! The only American athlete today that sells out anything they put her name into. I guess you haven't heard how her jersey sales is more than the entire Dallas Cowboys team, her game on NBA TV beat all NBA games that played last year, WIlson balls sold out in minutes, and the list goes on and on...
@@DerekLaugann😂
@@JerryThomas-fg9ms because women are hot in those category, do you find hot on wnba? the only time men watch women sports are if they are hot like volleyball and the sports you mention. if they look like gorilla, good luck with that.
In numbers, not all women like WNBA. and men only watch if it has cool factor and hot women, if those are missing and considering most of women dont watch WNBA then its revenue plummet.
Because not enough women go to women’s sports
They never want to point that out 🤧
Because not enough women watch women's sports, they only watch drama and reality shows
@@steverl22thats not truth 😂
Nailed it 😎👍
and men have more testosterone
Thank god comments are on. Let me get a drink
@@topdog9007 gonna need few years
I got the pop corn and butter
very brave of them to leave them open 🤣🤣
For videos that I upload, I put on comments. Although on those videos I choose to hold such comments to determine which ones should be posted, only a handful of channels (mainly, among those that I have found, channels run by government-funded TV networks) just don’t allow comments at all while so many other TH-cam channels instead allow posting of comments. When I post a comment, I recognize the need to follow TH-cam’s Terms of Service, I have no problem following such terms as long as they are fairly enforced.
It's genuinely pathetic how every single wnba related video has incels spewing the same "no one watches" bs despite the league getting millions of viewers and selling out arenas. Why do dudes want this league to fail so bad?😂
Good piece, but don't act like the WNBA hasn't done things that's counterintuitive for sustained growth by prioritizing identity politics and catering to various non-growth inducing agendas.
The average salary in the US is around $63k. These women make 6 figures to play a children’s game.
Imagine making 200k to play basketball for half the year and complaining 😂😂
@@mazzb305they are only complaining because they are jealous of men making more than them. Feminists mindset
not a good take calling it a childs game, it’s entertainment. But it needs TV revenues to make real money.
@@mazzb305 It's because they want to live like the NBA players, not realising that such a lifestyle is above their means.
Most aren’t making 6 figures. The WNBA is also a money loser unlike the NBA. That’s all this video needed to say.
Why do they frame this issues as an american right? Like these women deserve a league thats paying them Millions 😂😂 like stop it. Thats not how business works.
It is a business. The video was mostly about the growing pains of the league. It is aspirational if anything. I don't why people get the ick off of a puff piece.
@@MrNavin43 No it isn't a business. Businesses make money, the WNBA on the other hand can only exist because other businesses that actually make money fund it. It is a charity.
@@dissect123 I'm not a Finance aficionado but i'm pretty sure the WNBA is a business. Now the argument is, is if it's a profitable business which currently it's not but that maybe changing in the future due to Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, A'ja Wilson and other promising stars current or future.
Another example is Uber and the AI companies like OpenAI. I think Uber just reported it's first annual profit but in prior years were in the negative. OpenAI has been heavily subsidized by various party's in the trillions of dollars and yet hasn't even come close to breaking even
@@dissect123 Some point in the future they will make money, the investors to the WNBA are betting on it. Demographics favor it, tv deals prove it. If there is demand for college basketball, there will be a demand for WNBA. One thing many people in these comment section don't understand is that there is a huge demand for sports team from the owner/equity side, forget the millionaires that are bing minted in the US everyday, there are nations states (saudi and qatar) and billionaires looking to buy sport teams, if the WNBA proves to be even 1/10 the league NBA is, then these teams will get swooped up. Not only will the WNBA thrive, they will expand in the coming years, there is just too much money sloshing around and not enough toys to be bought. Even just for brownie points someone could buy one of these teams for 500 million. MUH WAHMN CAN't BALL, it literally doesn't matter. People used to think women wouldn't like video games, they don't like gyms. Within the last 10 years the majority of the gyms are filled with women now. All WNBA needs is a genrational talent like CC and some marketing for this to take off. If you can make esports a thing, making WNBA viable is a piece of cake.
it's called a startup. Uber was a profitable for years@@dissect123
did she just say on paper we are equal ?
I know right, and she is not even one of the best players in the league.
We found the feminist smh
HAAAAA right. When Lisa Leslie implored the top 20 highest paid players of the NBA to donate a portion of their salary to the players of the W, Draymond Green shut that silly idea down quick. Let's flip it, if the ladies of the W had the money that players of NBA had do you think that they would've donated any part of their salaries to the men or would they tell the men to be a man and figure it out?
@@Mr.Edwards233 Could not agree with you more. Preach
@@Mrcruzan And that's the crazy part. There's a lot of those players in the W who believe that they all deserve 500K, 1M or more per season. I guess she believes that equal pay goes across the board, watch what that does to their locker rooms.
To not acknowledge that the sole reason for rapid growth this season being solely because of Caitlin Clark is wild.
Let me guess. You still think that Christopher Columbus discovered America...
why? is she so important? sorry not from us
CC brought a lot of casual white fans to the league... in 2 years if she doesnt win a chip or an mvp that will fall off but if she can be the larry bird of the W they will maintain a little but... if reese can challenge her and the rivalery continues then the league will explode... CC cant do it alone, she needs a rival... and right now that rival is reese who is massively popular on the internet
Let me guess you don’t know anything about basketball and haven’t kept track of the W
If CC came in cocky as many young athletes do I could understand the W players hatin but if we’re talking about getting a bag I just don’t understand how more players haven’t been excited for positive eyes WHERE EVER THEY COME FROM. when Durant was asked about Wemby before he came in it sounded nothing of hate and everything of competition. We’re talking about business. Angel and CC’s rivalry is great. When Messi came to Miami everyone was elated. CC has up’d the W legends at EVERY stop. Yall trippin if you don’t want her to find her home in the W.
They spent 20 minutes explaining the issue.
Bill Burr did it in minutes. And it was funny too. 😂
The WNBA only plays 40 games per season vs the men’s 82 games not including playoffs games plus the league has never turned a profit since it’s inception but the players keep complaining about their salary which is crazy. Women don’t support the WNBA.
10 million a year loss for 30 years, 50 million expected a year loss in 2024 but they are in "growth mode."
The NBA bd WNBA dont care if the league makes money or not as it just a huge tax write off for them
Women get paid more than men in fashion. You hear no men barking.
Shhhh... you'll upset the snowflakes and feminazis.
The richest fashion designers are mostly men. 😂
*Hypocrisy is Female.*
@@SirButtah he's clearly talking about the models.
only a disingenuous idiot wouldn't understand that.
Did you even bother to Google this, let alone do any research before choosing to make this comment?
Why is it up to men to subsidize these horrible leagues? Where are the women?
Sup Raichu ⚡️
equality only when it serves them
The WOMEN that hated anything succesfull. The women that went after Caitlin for getting them attention and potentially Revenue. THOSE WOMEN!
Facts, most women don’t/havent support the WNBA. It’s been the men and the NBA carried this money losing league for the past 25 years.
Stern had the foresight in setting up WNBA and growing the NBA to what it is today. If you weren't a toolbag you would see the business opportunity in having a professional female league. The NBA is way ahead of the NFL and Basball in this way. Also the men aren't subsidizing the league out of their kindness, these people will exit 15 years from now making a killing like Mark Cuban did earlier this year. MuH MEN, like these rich owners even care about you lmAO.
It's interesting they didn't mention that record-breaking $2 million gate was for an New York v. Indiana game. I don't think NY has gotten as close to that figure with other teams. I know, they don't like calling out the Caitlin Carter Effect, but it is there! As has been reported, the Fever has 19 confirmed regular-season games with 1+ million viewers while only 3 other games not featuring CC's team reached that viewership mark. Some teams moved their Fever matches to larger venues to handle the crowds they attract. No other franchise/player is doing that. Astounding impact!
Kim Kardashian is billionaire model. What's her male counterpart earning?
@@denisako6493 the men’s do not hate on the women models. The women are the millionaires in the same business. ❤️
You can thank Caitlin Clark for the turnaround they’re having. Period.
still in the red
YES! And the buffalos keep knocking her on her A$$!
CC is a real game changer. all the league needs to do is follow through.
No pun intended
They try there best to include Angel Reese in everything Caitlin Clark
Very simple answer without watching the video people don't watch women sports even women themselves don't watch it .
20k people attended a wnba game yesterday btw
@@itsjustkosi7209u know damn well this started this season, and only some teams get that. For the most part wnba games historically are very poorly attended. Usually they have to give tickets away
@@whatupgangsta when did i say it didn’t start this season? don’t put words in my mouth. Setting historic numbers is growth so them saying nobody watches when the league has grown this much in 1 season is unfair
@@whatupgangsta imagine how much growth it’ll get when paige, juju and flau jae start playing, this’ll start being the norm along with caitlin and angel bringing crowds
@@whatupgangsta plus the whole video is about the league’s growth in incoming years. why are y’all so stuck in the past? yes the w has had poor seasons but it’s changing and quickly while people like you seem to almost root for its downfall
The argument that angel reese is bringing in fans at the same rate as Caitlin Clark is ridiculous now that she’s injured and there has been no drop off should tell you everything
Not to mention that Angel Reese hates on Caitlin Clark so much it turns her likability off
@@Yesyou_ for real now people watch it with or widouth Reese
The attendance to Chicago Sky games have plummeted. Idk what you’re talking about
It is marketing, it ain't that deep. There needs to be a story, CC needs a foil and reese is a good villain. Drama is king.
@Yesyou_ who ever made that argument? Are you just making fan fiction in your head? She is a major contributor no doubt
Yeah I thought this video was actually gonna be informative, it's propaganda
Griner was imprisoned for possessing MARIJUANA which regardless of medicinal properties is illegal in Russia. 😂 love the spin
I had to do a double take when they spun that. Couldn't even go a week without marinara
An arms dealing super criminaliteit came out in return for brittany. So thanks
@@soral94 I can't blame her I love me marinara
@@damowantswealth Enough to potentially get sent to a ///RUSSIAN PRISON///? :)
Why? Its not fun to watch.
😂😂😂
@@lusciouslucius it is 🤷♀️
Caitlin is the only one that’s it 💀
I have league pass and beg to differ. I’ve also went to a game in person
Even some of the most beautiful women in the league still look manly and men don't want to see manly looking women and neither do women🎉
I've tried watching a full WNBA game this year. However after watching a plethora of missed layups, sloppy turnovers, slow paced game (and no dunking)....I end up turning the channel to baseball or football. Sure, Caitlin Clark makes great passes (that often result in missed layups or turnovers because the player she passed it to couldnt handle the pass) and shoots deep, stepback threes that are entertaining to watch. However, if no one else in The WNBA does things like that....why even watch it? I have yet to watch a non-CC game this year.
If I'm going to invest 2 hours each game (over a full season) watching WNBA games...I have to be entertained! Missed layups, sloppy turnovers, slow paced basketball....is BORING. The level of talent is going to have to increase. I'm talking about talent that is ENTERTAINING TO WATCH!
💯 agree.
Its like watching a middle school game
@@SlugSage I'd be more entertained watching YMCA pickup games..than watching a non-Caitlan Clark WNBA game.
like watching a movie in 0.5x in real time.
The NBA was in trouble in the 80's till Bird and Magic entered the league and their college rivalry made their rivalry epic in the NBA, now you have Reese and Caitlin... they have to capitalize on their stardom... if they don't then they deserve to fail...
Except the WNBA seems to hate Caitlin Clark and are sabotaging themselves by not embracing. Leaving her off the Olympic team was a huge mistake
Cable wasn't really a thing in 1981. Cable sports and being able to show local games in tv helped the NBA out.
Bro, that's what I've been saying. The Magic-Bird rivalry brought alot of new fans to the league. Same setup. Bird chasing Magic because Magic kept winning until Bird finally won. All these chicks, well chick, has to do is just play her part. But.......she can't because that would take humility.
Don't even compare Reese to Magic-Bird. Reese was a 7th round pick and is nowhere close to Clark.
@@hitek9too255 its two different games, but they are both equally as good... Reese already won a championship over Clark, Just Like Magic had one over Bird before they got to the NBA...
Why is it bad they play in a second league? Also, if you’re going to use the men’s league as a comparison, men’s league regular season is 82 vs women’s 40
Yeah. That's also a no brainer.
It bothers me how they repeatedly imply sexism because WNBA players are not paid as much as NBA players (while the NBA continues to lose money on the WNBA they created). But they downplay the fact that the very same WNBA players make far more money doing the exact same thing overseas!
WNBA players are now making big bucks in endorsement deals. They need to stop the blatant sexism and sniveling to be viable with sponsors but they can’t seem to do that.
Look at all those empty seats in that Sun vs Liberty game.🤦 Reality is a lot of new fans are watching for Caitlin and that's it. They still don't care about the WNBA as a whole. If we take away Clark from the equation, the buzz for the WNBA will disappear in an instant. So if Indiana doesn't make it to the finals this year (I doubt they will), the WNBA finals will see a steep decline in attendance.
It look Full to me
I’m glad this reporting STARTED by taking a step back and addresses the real reason WNBA players don’t make as much money as NBA players (investment, viewership, history, etc) and not just pandering about women always being paid unequally lol. if the WNBA keep this up, they’ll begin to close the gap. But they have DECADES of smart business and great basketball to go.
Yep..... NHL players don't make as much as NFL players - comparisons between different leagues seem to always fail to emphasize the obvious - that they are different products. They generate different levels of revenue.
When the W brings in as much revenue as the NBA then the salaries will be comparable.
Don’t forget the thing with Brittany grinder and her medical weed she failed to make sure that it was legal for her to bring it. That’s why she was in prison her own negligence to do research on that country caused that.
thank you,giving her a pass on sheer stupidity is dumbfounded(pun intended)🤔
And to get her out, one of the most disgusting arms dealers was released. Thanks brittney
Well, that's one problem they playing at 11 am on a Wednesday 😂
Television rights probably brings in more money than ticket sales. Doesn't make sense to compete with other more popular leagues that have weekend slots.
@@LabiBradleyC Who's watching a game on a weekday morning though? Very weird.
@duckmercy11 I saw 11am and automatically read it as 11pm. 11am really is crazy.
Cathy Englebert only understands cold numbers, not hot tickets and certainly not racial bias. It would be good for women’s basketball if the WNBA could start again with a different business model and different Executive. I don’t have a belief that the WNBA has the desire to change.
They are going in the right direction. It's continued progress that will help them get there. Nobody can win if the players compare with already well-established NBA, but if they are patient and persistent, hopefully the players and staff get compensated for what they bring to the business.
They said Brittany had medical marijuana 😂😂🧢🧢😂😂
Bob?
We are focused wayyyyyyy too much on professional sports regardless of gender.
That ship sailed long ago.
I refuse to watch any videos about sports.....oh, wait....
I love that the players condemn their commissioner for not addressing fan racism against Blacks, while the Black players continue to racially mistreat Caitlin Clark.
WNBA need to stand on its own without NBA subsidies, and it can pay its players however much it can afford. That is basic economics. You can’t ask other entity to subsidize your player salaries.
NBA player salaries are a direct result of the league's profitability. The WNBA is a charity organization atp. If it ever becomes profitable, player salaries will go up.
Comparing WNBA and NBA on pay is like comparing why your pay is not equal to the pay of the CEO. Show your viewers that you have value and the money would come rolling in, whining all day ain't gonna get you anywhere in this country.
I dont think there is a single business minded individual, that would pay more for a team, than the entire league is worth. 140million for the Las Vegas Aces? What a dream that is!
Vegas is an unicorn. Or at least has been in the past. The NBA involvement is not altruistic. They saw a way to add 20 revenue dates to the buildings the own or control. They also saw relatively inexpensive way to get women off their equity back. A couple of million a year is a rounding error to a NBA owner, almost exclusively billionaires. The revenue model makes them effectively first to get their money back. So no tears for NBA owners.
It's hard to paint a economic picture that portraits the women in a bigger light. Removing C. Clark from the picture, the league is so slowly growing its laughable. Everyone, including Bill Burr, is right. Nobody is watching the game. Remove CC from the counts and viewership on average is less than a couple of million on its best day. Now the hundreds of millions dollar question is CC gonna take this league on her back. I have enjoyed watching her. She is pure basketball. She is also marketable as hell. She has a team around her who with one exception is young and also very marketable. But even the teams real veteran is young. There is resentment within the league for that as it will result in more money for her teammates. Gonna be interesting to see if in the new CBA there are more revenue sharing methods from richer to poorer. At the moment local money is all local. So merch is all retained. Big plus for a merchant town like Vegas.
Which is where Vegas comes back in. Vegas never had sports teams because of the gambling issue. Now that pretty much every state has some form of legalized gaming, they were able to overcome the objection. Short of baseball every sport is represented. It's too damn hot in summer to play baseball in Vegas. So women's basketball makes much more sense. It's the only sports ticket in town. So for all these reasons, Vegas is a unicorn when it comes to valuation. Now is it enough? Time will tell.
You also have a break to Canadian teams. The legal and tax issues on top of the other socialistic state of Canadian politics make rationalization of the economics to much for my American brain. The currency issues alone...
They need another Caitlin Clark. They have their Larry Bird and now they need their Magic Johnson.
I love the way the whole video ignored the fact that the current surge in popularity of the WNBA, and the new TV deals and other investment, is pretty much the sole responsibility of one player, and we all know who that is. If she gets hurt or can't play anymore, watch it all fall apart. Then back to buses and cheap motels.
You can’t get paid more if you are literally not making a profit. It does not matter if the WNBA is making record gross revenue. Revenue does not mean anything. What matters is revenue minus expenses which equals profit. The WNBA is still not profitable so the players cannot ask for more money when their business is literally in bankruptcy every single year since it started.
This argument has been talked about into exhaustion everyone knows until they can keep the fans coming to games on a consistent basis then they will have leverage in their next collective bargaining agreement till then they do anything they should be worrying about turning a profit for the first time ever
Also paying the same as in men's games.
I find it so hilarious when they say how come they don’t get paid as much as the NBA players? For reals?!?!
It's about splits. Which is an interesting idea. I enjoyed getting a little more insight from this video. It's not about them making LeBron money, but them getting a percentage of the revenue that's closer to the NBA players.
They mentioned a strategy where if the league has a 20% increase from the previous season, only then will the players get a cut of the 20% growth, and not the whole pie. Some shaky business going on in that league, and the players know it.
The WNBA has been losing money since its inception. Broth does not mean profitable. Why should the league pay 50% of its growth while still being in the red and subsidized by the NBA?
*Growth does not mean profitable
She saw no irony asking me to change but wanting me to accept her for who she is.
The fact they barely mention cc being the driving force of interest in the league is palpable
To be honest the racism that Magic, and Bird experienced boosted the league attendance for those teams. Not saying it's right, but that kind of rivalry in this country makes money.
True, samething in boxing. How many Hispanics and Philippinos wanted to see Floyd lose.
not in the gun violent society we have and the fake narratives pushed on social media/media.
The numbers don't support that theory, People watch CC games with or without rivals. They just want to watch CC.
My girlfriend rather go to a Seattle SuperSonics game than go to a Las Vegas Aces game. & we live in Vegas 😂
Same
She is missing out then. Aces have been incredibly fun to watch the last few years. I've been to many games.
@@ronniewells5231 yea I been to a few. Nothing special lol
Exactly. Most don’t want to see all these layups and alley oops lol. Blame God😂😂. I’d go see WNBA play but not more than NBA.
@@ronniewells5231same. Aces has been my second favorite sports team behind the Lakers over these past few years. Them ladies be BALLIN! They're also a trip behind the scenes. Really entertaining crop, but a lot of folks just aren't interested in ladies hooping. That's more of a reflection of society than the quality of play. Them women are undeniable.
it’s not a hard question to answer: far fewer people care. it’s a mostly very bad, boring product.
Comments are always more honest and insightful than the bullshyte that comes from CNBC and other corporate media. Sports are entertainment. In 2024, the salary of ENTERTAINERS is always, always, always dependent on how many people are paying to CONSUME the entertainment. Look at the UFC or Music/Singers or Modelling etc etc if you doubt this. The fact is that women's basketball is NOT entertaining relative to the NBA.... unless you have a human drama like Clark vs Reese.
The problem lies with the racism shown by the black players against CC this year. That turned off fans that saw what was happening and this showed in the massive drop in both audience and viewer attendance after the Fever left the play offs. The WNBA mismanaged the opportunity that CC brought them badly.The racism was not from the fans, it was from a particular group of players and the commission refused to stop it for fear of backlash from those players.
The WNBA, led by its rookie star player, Caitlin Clark and WHO??????
Lead by a ROOKIE is already a big problem in itself.
The WNBA reminds me of a guy who's always in debt. He gets a promotion that doubles his salary and he goes out and buys a brand new car and nicer clothes. Instead of new practice facilities and chartered flights, how about saving some money?
Off the top of my head, Spotify, Tesla, Uber, most food delivery apps, most meal kit apps, Amazon before AWS, most of Silicon Valley, and plenty of other companies operate at a loss. Investors care about growth and market capture a lot a lot a lot more than profit. I keep seeing it brought up that the WNBA should be out of business and I don’t understand why. If the right people see value in the WNBA, it will continue to exist.
All thanks to Caitlyn Clark. Yet they have welcomed her with such hostility.
The reason its not a successful league is because women dont watch it...
Or men. 😂
I will never understand why people come onto social media and make asinine statements without knowing what they're talking about.
@@stevelarkins4145but it’s true, no? In order to grow the way they are wanting grow, the majority of their new fans will probably have to be women. I think most men that like sports have already decided whether they are willing or not to watch wnba games so the pool of new possible fans is way less than new possible women fans.. I don’t think what he commented is wrong at all.. they need female fans and they need it consistently through the years
@@At76812 Do you feel the NHL is a profitable league? Do you feel the NHL is a successful league?
The NBA makes billions while the wnba can’t turn a profit. Salaries explained.
WNBA revenue is $150M per year but Disney is paying $200M per year? Sounds like a terrible investment.
Its year 27. I remember when the NBA games were tape delayed on tv. Then the rivaly of Bird/Magic, new cable networks, and the marketing of David Stern, the NBAs growth exposure went tenflod. All sports need rivalrys to draw interest. Take tips from boxing, pro wrestling, football n politics, etc, and then watch the interest & money increase.
The rise in popularity, along with the viewership, is new. Sit and wait for the tickets, merch, and salaries, to rise
Those team values are complete bs
Well when you owe the men a trillion dollars.....
They are set to still be 50mil in debt. They have never had a profitable season. They dont play the same number of games as the NBA, yet they want the same pay. That doesnt make sense. The logic being used is sick, he said, "the tv money is why the NBA salary is 100x's more. " No sir! If i supplement your league every year since since it was created, you dont have enough fans that pay for your product, the games aren't exciting enough, they dont play enough games per year. At some point the entire truth must be shared.
Like to see 2023 vs. 2024 valuation; your cash cow is Caitlin with Angel failing her team.
The comparisons to men's leagues are completely inappropriate. Plus, the NBA should stop funding the WNBA
The league is seeing such good success because of Caitlin Clark. Why are the vast majority of the highest attended games in 2024 played in by Caitlin ?
Similar to how male fashion models make less than female fashion models.
Yoooooooooo!!!!!!!
Ignoring how monumental of an impact Caitlin Clark has on the popularity of every game she plays in is quite dishonest journalism to simply put it as the WNBA being more popular as a whole.
Did you watch the video? They literally said that
I don't like the taste of this video. Let's talk about making the wnba more profitable.
The whole point of this 20+min is for equal pay. They are trying hard.
@@SoYappyYou're a clown. The league has lost money every damn year since its existence. Let me remind you also that the NBA has 30 teams. The WNBA has 12. Do some basic math. How much would the 12 teams need to earn to match an average NBA salary?
Oh, wait. They can't. The WNBA loses money every year - to the point where the NBA literally has to bail them out to keep the league alive.
But yeah. Blame "equal pay" woes on sexism or something. 🤡
Libra, you are missing the point. This is click bait, not a charity. The money goes to CNBC.
If you wanted to promote your league, why didn't you put the 2 Rookies on the Olympic Team?
Let's jump into a time machine and go back to the start of the 1980's. Nobody was watching the NBA, the Finals was on tape delay until 1982, most teams didn't turn a profit. Then the NBA started building their brand and it started with Magic and Bird but exploded when one special player came onto the scene in 1984 - Michael Jordan. The WNBA and it's players need to be patient and truly stand behind and market their special players starting with CC.
Is any women's league self-sufficient and profitable?) Even women don't watch these games. But women players demand the same salaries as in the men's leagues - WHY?!) But they don't think about it - they just demand it.
“Modest earnings” stem from “negative profits”. Most of the women fans or feminists complaining about women’s pay in sports, don’t show up to any games or buy merch to support women athletes 🤦🏻♂️
Fans: WNBA players don't get paid enough.
NY Liberty: We're raising ticket prices in 2025.
Fans: No! Not like that.
Haha!!
Get a different commissioner and you'll fix it.
Viewership numbers: We need time to grow
Player Contracts: We want the same as the NBA right now
I would give the W 5 more years to turn a profit. THe NBA should pull the plug after that , if the W isn't profitable. A fraction of the savings should then be diverted to women's collegiate programs.
They subsided them for 28 years… why would they stop now?
that was not medical weed tho.
Even if it was medical, it is only such in counties with this legislation.
No need to overthink this one....the reason is obvious: outside of Caitlin Clark, and maybe one or two other players, the overall quality of basketball / skill level in the WNBA is awful. Nobody wants to see people brick layups.
And the officiating is horrible.
@@Tom-kp2lvdoubt it's much worse than the NBA officiating.
Because one player was the driving force behind breaking those records. If you look at the games that broke records, nearly all of them (if not all) featured Caitlin Clark. Basically, Caitlin Clark had a record breaking year, the rest of the WNBA is business as usual with all the flaws and failures that has entailed. What is shocking to me is that the WNBA players are doubling down on this, saying they'd rather continue to provide a sub par product than embrace CC for the amazing market potential that she has.
I'll put it plainly. The WNBA remains a largely unlikeable mess. To most fans, it comes across as a bunch of whiny, petty brats who are more interested in trying to push social agendas than actually doing their job. It shows. Their product (WNBA basketball) is mostly dated, boring and lacks passion (and I say that as a fan of NCAA women's basketball). It's a bunch of players throwing up awkward layups...basically 1960's NBA play without thunderous dunks and rejections at the rim that made old-school basketball exciting to watch. Add onto that the whiny, petty players and you have a recipe for something that no one watches or really cares about. CC is popular because her style of play (stepbacks, flashy passes, long threes) is reminiscent of the modern NBA game and because she is a likeable star personality. She doesn't whine or try to cram a social agenda down my throat, she talks about how she enjoys playing and is grateful that she has the opportunity to play professionally. Wow, someone who is humble and grateful...hard to see why she'd have fans...
WNBA players need to realize that criticism of their poor product and personalities is not racism/sexism. They need to drop the delusional "our play is great, it's the same as the NBA". It is most certainly NOT and even someone with zero basketball knowledge can tell that from watching five minutes. They need to drop the delusion that they have this fanbase of loyal female followers who are cheering for them...most WNBA fans before CC were creepy, middle-aged white guys. I have several female friends who love basketball...not a single one watches the WNBA or follows any of their players other than CC and Angel Reese. When two rookies are your most followed players, that is a sign that you are failing as a league.
Bill Burr did a skit about the WNBA. He technically answered the questions that needed answers
THEY.....DON'T.....MAKE....MONEY 😂😂😂😂😂U can't pay someone more from money they aren't making 😂😂
Legit. The video could have been a tiktok 😂
Lowering the rim for women would make the game more exciting to watch. Men have a physical advantage, so constantly comparing the two isn't fair. No one really wants to watch professional women’s basketball players just doing layups-lowering the rim could bring more excitement to the game.
I’m a big fan of the W but this is true. When the men’s game gets sloppy we get dunks to reenergize the game. When W gets sloppy the best you get is a layup and they aren’t as tall as men so they miss more.
San Antonio Spurs won a championship wiht layups and passing. Dunk morons can't appreciate the game.
i think many would struggle to dunk even if the rim was 9 ft...look how below the rim they play! and then they would be ridiculed for struggling to dunk on 9 ft rims and would be embarrassing
@@atxgaming6998 That's how it should be, the rim shouldn't be so low that every one of them could dunk it like in the NBA. It should be just low enough so only the most exceptional players can dunk it.
But lowering the rim would deviate from the regulation for the rim height on the international scene.
Having two different rim heights, one for WNBA, one for the rest of the world, would impede the WNBA players in the international scene, especially so for the Olympic Games.