HOW TO TREAT WOOD YOURSELF | Protecting it against ROT
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This is how we treat our own wood on the homestead! We discuss a wood preserving technique called shou Sugi ban that we use all around our homestead. We cut down some trees that we will be using to make a 20 foot tall tower to support our new Starlink satellite. We show you the hand tools and ways of using those tools so that you can try this method yourself on the projects you may be working on. We get questions on why we burned the wood all the time and we really hope this video helps you.
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5:30 The bevel's in the details. Got it.
Man, that is a lot of work to preserve your timbers. Guess you can say that it is a life time project. Beautiful workmanship. 👍
I don’t even actually think about the work involved. It’s just a lot of fun doing it.
Id love to see updates on how the posts are doing year after year
I’ll be checking on him and if I can remember I’ll try to let people know
I like how you explained how treated your wood. Easy and cheaper. Keep up the good videos.
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I have been taught by quite a few old timers on building log cabins The bevel on your draw knife goes up you can still angle the knife to take off the amounts of material you want bubble facing down will dig into the wood
Thanks for the comment. Although others may use it in that manner, I would have to say that all of the buildings here at the homestead were debarked by hand with the drawknife bevel facing downward because it is much easier. I have tried it both ways and have been self taught having done it all alone.
Great way to preserve wood in the ground
thanks Sam!
Thanks for sharing with us Richard, enjoyed the wood preserving method you shared with us. Stay safe, Fred.
This video was calming. The birds in the background and watching the wood work. Peeling the bark reminded me of peeling a potato also satisfying 😄
You can hear the birds in most of my videos and I do an off a lot of peeling bark that’s for sure. We’re glad you enjoyed the video and hope you have a great weekend
Short and sweet. Very helpful information. I bought that Australian timber oil after watching you use it last year. Good stuff- I love it! Thanks for sharing that with us. 🪵🌲🐔🌺🌻🤗
If possible you should strip the sap wood from the section of the log that will be in the ground. The heart wood is far more rot resistant.
Oh hey, those yard dogs you use are something I've been looking into making in my forge! They're also called "holdfasts," if you didn't know that already. You can make them to slot into hardy/pritchel holes in anvils, workbench holes, really anywhere that you have a surface where you need material securely held down.
Might be one of my first projects once I get my anvil in place - I'm actually watching this video because I have an oak log to mount it to, I just need to treat the thing now that I've stripped the bark off of it.
You’re absolutely right they are called holdfast. They work very well on just about everything. We hope that you enjoyed The video and have many more related to that same subject with all of the buildings we have built here on the Homestead.
been watching your live feed and came back to catch this. can't wait to see how you build the satellite tower and if you build it like the old step post.
Would not let me comment on the live video. I would love to see some of the bloopers and thank you for the jokes Jennifer. Real glad Smokey is better.
Really appreciate the tips. Thank you, Richard.
Good morning Richard, you've done your homework. Your wood preservation will work a lot better and last longer than what is commericaly available ie; pressure treated. Thanks for sharing this. Be well.
Loved the live feed on SMO tonight...Looking forward to seeing progress of the sat tower
Another awesome video Richard. You always make my day special. God bless you all.
Watched this morning, great chat tonight! Good night.
Enjoy watching this channel!!!
Just subbed. After years of watching youtub, I still keep finding channels I never knew about, even though I have done many searches for subjects I am interested in. You have built some nice projects.
Welcome aboard! Be sure and check out our main channel Smoky Mountain Outpost. That’s where we do all of our building.
Thanks Richard. I want to make some raised bed gardens with legs, but I was worried about them rotting from the ground moisture. I will use this method on the base of each leg.
Always inspired by you and your projects. Hope smokey feels better. Looking forward to seeing you and the kids .
Good morning SMO making a green house with the plastic pallets I'd a great idea I've seen fence built out of the wooden ones and covered with stucco God bless and stay safe and healthy
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Did my whole timber frame on my house and brushed it off and oiled. I did notice on some of my porch timbers if you don’t get oil on quickly the sun, wind and rain will remove the burnt layer in months compared to years with the oil. If you can oil Spring and Fall it will last longer. I have also done touch ups with a small torch and it worked great where my children beat up my timbers in the home. For fence posts into the ground I have seen people drill 45 degree angles with 1” bits half way into the material accessible above ground and fill with oil and plug. Supposedly if you refill annually it will preserve the material to prevent rot. Would love to hear if it has worked for anyone.
Your cabin sounds wonderful. I don’t think there’s any better look than Brentwood because it makes the grain just jump out and the oil I think probably is better for the wood than stain is. Regardless of what you use, you have to maintain it so putting some on at different intervals, just helps to prolong the life of the material. I kinda like the idea about drilling. The holes never tried that never even heard of it before, but it may be something that I Incorporate up here. Thanks for the comment. Have a great week.
Great show just commenting for the drawing for the drill Thank You
Also the bottom of hole dump about two pounds of river bed gravel rock, that will help drain water free.
Looking forward to the tower build.
I always wondered about what side to use on a drawknife. I guess burning is better than diesel and motor oil in the old days.
Thank you for the valuable info and tips
My pleasure!
Thanks for the live show. It was fun. Also love the informational video today. Would love to see more!!!
Thanks that was a good information.
Thank you for the kind words Jerry!
This video was very helpful love all your videos
Thank You Gloria
Enjoy both channels 😃
Great video and very informative 👍
I’ve been told to use oil and diesel fuel because of the difference kinds of termites here in Florida
Like the content. Keep up the good work! More Smokey!
Fantastic video, very inspiring
that's super kind of you to say that!
I do bevel side up. Never seen anyone do it your way. Whatever works! Helps that your posts are cedar to start with in terms of rot resistance. I wish we had it where I live!
Just an observation, if you hold the bell side down, you can actually Otate the knife up and down about 30°. If you hold it bevel up, there’s no way to really rotate the blade down to be able to pull out of the wood if that makes sense. But like you said, whatever works. We appreciate the comment and the view and hope you enjoy other videos that we have.
Always enjoy your content.
very helpful info, thank you for your concise nobs clear presentation. I like your curvy posts on your cabin. I got some on my cabin... however i did put a concrete tile roof on mine and sometimes when i look at the posts because their curvy i dont know if theyre bending/fatiqued or not!!
They can fool you that’s for sure. I like mine too because it’s one of a kind and no one else has one like it.
I'm double watching, just for good measure haha. Enjoy PS: Great live.
Nice, it also helps make the wood fire retardant. I would also spray with boric acid (borax and water) after flame treating.
Love you channels. Keep them coming. ❤️
Have used as-halt emulsion for decades, thanks
It works great
Where can one buy that product?
Good information, Thanks!
Can mix used oil and diesel 50/50. Farmers say that makes fence posts last 80 years. Diesel carries the oil into the wood and when it dries it polymerizes the wood. Very water resistant. I use it over the burn as well. Get a nice walnut brown. The older the oil, the darker the stain, up to black. Used transmission oil gives redder tones. Super easy to slop on fresh coats every few years. It doesn't kill plants, and when it's dry in a couple of days, it's inert. I soaked my sawhorse leg bottoms in it and they've sat on the ground for 5 years. The bottom is still hard. Not a speck of decay.
Cool. We used diesel fuel on trailer boards to make them last longer when I was a kid.
Long story short set it on fire but not too on fire 🎉 youve treated your 🪓 wood
I like using a mixture of oils.
Now I live in Florida so cedar I don’t see or get any of that , but now pine I’ve got a ton of that from 10 ft to 40 ft logs and got any suggestions about treating that
I'd be interest to know about pine, as well
I started using the same timber oil you use and I love the stuff...so thanks for showing it to me!
You are welcome!
Good work
Love the videos love the drills
We enjoy both channels so much and look forward each and every video. Thanks for all your hard work!
You could debark it much faster with a pressurewasher and a power tip as well.
Thing is we don’t have water yet. Hopefully next year. Hauling water is more effort than the knife. It’s really fun to peel it I think and gives me time to reflect and good exercise for the arms. But if I needed to “produce”, you’re correct.
Thank you for these informative tips! much appreciated
I enjoyed the teaching and respect your ambition, what wood is best to use when treating wood? 1st 2nd 3rd tree categories please?
Locust I believe is best. The Oak family would be my next choice, then Hickory. Hickory can be hard to work with because of its properties.
Great mate, I am about to build shelter here in the bush in Australia. I will basically put the beams straight onto the fire and roll it over, at least that's the idea. Cheers and keep it up. 🎉
Now your cooking!! Lol
Great stuff thanks for the videos 👍
Your welcome and hope you have a nice week
Great Video! Thanks.
Very welcome
Lol 🎉carpenter 💪 look what I did🎉sorry jealous ty for tips
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this guys just living life good on him thats my dream one day
Thank you for the nice complement.
@@OutpostReview no problem bro keep up the good work. love your videos
Does this technique work with pine??? I know cedar is more rot resistant than pine for sure.
Peel the bark off of the pine, you can burn it if you like, ground contact area, or simply paint it with tar
I'm trying to turn a small section of my crate and Myrtle into an indoor cat tree! I wish I wasn't the first but can't find any info on preserving their wood start to finish but hopefully this works!
It should help. Remove all bark to wood.
Is this for a post and beam / roundwood timberframe structure? How do you back fill the hole you bury this in? Gravel? Concrete?
a shovel or two of gravel in the posthole helps keep the post bottom dry. nice video! sub'd/liked.
You’re absolutely correct about two inches is what I usually do.
Bevel down with the draw knife? I’ve never tried bevel down
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Thanks for sharing ❤
Thanks
That was I informative thanks
Love this video thankyou ❤
You are so welcome!
First video I have watched of yours and am here to stay, thank you very much for this information. Can this be done to teak logs?
Can you do the same process on popular trees as you do on cedar? Enjoyed watching Richard.
Yes!
@@OutpostReview Just wondering, because here at my property I have a lot and I mean a lot of popular tree’s. Thanks Richard. You and your family mean a lot to me. Hope you have a blessed day.
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Nice video. How do you make framing timber oil?
Can you do this with pine?
I do it with mine.
Do you use only cedar?
Where do you get the bench vise dog? I only see regular vices!
We ordered it from Amazon. Workbench hold fast
Great video !!
Thanks!
What do u do after you burn it
I thought I showed or mentioned the “Australian Timber Oil” by Cabot.
Are those cedars? Not a lot of bugs like those right?
Yes they are and you are correct
Amen..🔥⚒️🍀
Where did you get that draw knife? I've been looking for a good one, but they are hard to find except from the internet. And I find it quite hard to judge build and material quality through a screen
I did order it from Amazon. It was around $35. So no loss if it wasn’t as expected
I know this video is old but I had some red pine milled and want to use it to make a 300 feet of board walk, will this procedure work for me. Mostly just for the decking? Thanks
It will not hurt any project. It will definitely help.
charred (esp for below ground portion) or timber frame oil. Good to know. Thanks. Just wondering exactly what oil you use for 'timber frame oil.' Your own mix? or a ready mix? Is it toxic? Could I use it for sculpture pieces? What would you recommend for wood used on indoor sculpture pieces?
I use charred plus roofing cement (tar) on bottom and Cabot Timber Oil for the rest.
SIR, how many liters or gallons of oil do you use for one log? at what wood humidity you oil / and build? And what finish do you use at the end? Thank you.
One gallon could do several. Mostly 6 months drying or straight from the woods. Cabot Australian Timber Oil
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Man this is freshly cuted wood?
That's eastern red cedar, you don't even have to remove the bark or burn it......I've seen 80 year old fence posts here in the south in the ground for 80 years.
We’ve had some up to around 50 I think. But a little extra effort like that should make them last even longer.
The outer wood rots but the heartwood doesn't, treating them is a good idea to slow that down. Leaving the bark on lets moisture get between it and the wood rotting it faster, and bugs. Debarking and treating is smart.
3:25 Won't green wood crack with burning? How do you deal with green log cracking and insects eating it?
I generally don’t worry about the cracking too much because even the seasoned material will crack. Most post and beam or timber frame structures you can go in and see the checking in the wood. If I had the ability to let the material dry, it would be better. Some people coat the end of the logs. Once they’re cut, they stack them let them lay for a couple of years and go back and cut them. When you cut the ends of the logs with a sealant, it allows the log to drive from the inside out, naturally, instead of drawing from the ends Inward which helps to cause the cracking. All in all most of the material that I have cut hasn’t cracked too bad. As far as the insects go, I have to use a pest control like everybody else for bugs on a semi annual basis.
I bet that smells good when you did the burning.
Just like a big campfire, LOL
What kind of timber oil do you use? Also, I don't have any access to cedar on my property, but I do have shagbark hickory, and hophornbeam. Do you think these types of hardwoods would be worth using with this method for some deck posts? Or would they rot out too fast in comparison to the cedar.
If your hornbeam is the “ironwood” that some call, yes it’s used because of its properties as well as the hickory. I would use them
@@OutpostReview wow very fast reply! I've been working on my little homestead the last 4 years! So glad I found your channel, I'm trying to do everything myself (the right way, & typically the old fashioned way seems to be the best way) and your channel is full of great information! Thank you!
Do you let it dry before using it and for how long? thnx for the vid
I pretty much just use mine as I go. It seems to have work so far.
dogs are different. that’s called a holdfast. log dogs are staple shaped with perpendicular points to them.
The slang term for them around here is just a plain “dog.” However you are correct in that the technical name is a hold fast. We use the term a lot here. Anything that fastens or holds down the object you’re working on. I even have dogs on the sawmill. But again it’s just slang.
@@OutpostReview dogs also refer to something that keep the material from lateral movement. ie: bench dogs that protrude through holes in a workbench while planing.
that makes sense for the sawmill dogs.
these have the traditional shape and function of holdfasts though.
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Hello,I like this from Tanzania, can you apply the same method on grivellia tree poles?
Hello, the silky oak grevillea tree is a good wood to use since it is mediums density and often used for furniture and window sills since it resists rot
How many years would structures like this last ?
I’m hoping ten at least. Will try and maintain it like any other building.
Sorry, it wasn't clear to me at the end there. Do you put preservation oil on the burned part going into the ground or is that not recommended because it will trap any moisture in? From the video I think that you are only oiling the exposed part, but wasn't sure if oiling the underground part will increase protection, or just the opposite. Thank you.
I don’t think it would hurt anything to put it on the bottom I actually had gravels down in the hole to hold the log up off the ground I did not paint any ends. This last time I went ahead and used creosote as well on the burned portion just to give it some added longevity
@@OutpostReview isn’t Creosote Toxic? For some reason, maybe made up in my own head, I thought you were looking for non-toxic solutions.
It’s not going to hurt where I put it. It is far from anything. And, don’t believe I mentioned anything about not looking for it. I also wrapped the post in roofing paper against the roofing cement. Check out the video I did “Building a Crazy Crooked Post & Beam Carport on our “Smoky Mountain Outpost” channel. It was a few months back. You can see the process I am using currently.
I'm building a fence and have a lot of cedar wood, the logs i have are anywhere from 5"-1" diameter
if I do this how long would you expect those post to last?
If i just sharpen an end and drive it into the ground bark and all, how long do you think that would last?
trying to make the most out of the entire property and bring the fences out to the property line to give the animals as much space as possible and some woodland area, hoping they'll get some more food from that and also eat up all the aggressive underbrush growing in there.
You need to treat them. If you burn the bottom black and add some roofing cement or another word tar, I’m assuming they’ll go 10, 15 or maybe 20 years. They will rock quick if you just drive them in the ground and may only last a couple.
I know I need to burn timber to use it but why can't you just burn the bark and cambium layer off?
Try it. I’m afraid it would be very coarse and ruff.
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