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My current Laptop is the M1 Max with 64gb of Ram and 4tb, I ordered the M4 Pro with the faster chip and 48gb of ram. For my work flow final cut export with the dual encoder chips, my M1 was faster... which is a huge time saver for me. I have returned the M4Pro for the M4 Max and I am waiting till the end of the week to do more tests. 1/2 export times with the dual encoders allows me to get back to my edits as we do 2-3 videos per day along with about 1200 raw 50mp images in lightroom/photoshop. I really wanted the M4 Pro to be able to do the job but again compared to the M1 Max FOR OUR WORKFLOW the speed boost wasn't enough.
Just bought M4Max 14 core. The things that pushed me were, I wanted a base config so I don't have to customize which isn't available for retail. I had to have at least 1TB, extra memory and extra gpu cores.were pluses. If you customize you lose out on the sales. Upgrading from an i7 so this is a huge jump, this thing rocks.
Same here, I got the off the shelf 16" with 14/32 core M4 Max, 36GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Didn't wanna wait 2 weeks for custom spec and I wanted the extra RAM and storage.
@ Not the 40 core GPU max, the 32 core one Also the same was done to the M4 pro where the binned one was 14 inch while the unbinned chip was in the 16 inch model.
I got the M4 Pro with 48GB Ram and I am happy with one exception. I absolutely HATE the space black. Finger and paw prints everywhere. All the time I save from the faster chip I use to wipe this damn thing down.
Got the same 16'' pro, 48gb (would have liked a 64gb option) ... and I dig the darker space-black ... give it 3 weeks and you'll forget about wiping it down :-)
Despite your advice, I bought a 14 In. MacBook Pro Max’s (unbinned) with 64 gig and 2 TB. Upgrading from 2016 MacBook Pro. (Still works and will use it to store critical files as backup). The new MB will be used as a test machine to see how it can be used as a universal software development computer using Parallels, Windows and Linux. Have a grandson majoring in computer science. I want to see if this kind of machine will work for him in his senior year and masters program. Currently the school requires Intel Windows. It’s good to be a grandpa sometimes.
Please also test the 16" with the 36GB M4 Max, if you can. I always go for the binned Max models, they are the most balanced, as you had already figured out 3 years go with the 24C M1 Max (the one I also have). That aside, thanks for adding Resolve, appreciated!
I was ready to buy one of these to replace my 2014 MacBook Pro but with the cost of storage being so high, I ended up getting a minty M1 Max MacBook with 8TB instead, “just” $2k. I can’t *believe* how fast “good enough” is these days…
@@hornz5 I found mine on ebay. They described it as like new, open box, pristine... and I agree! Ebay can be safe, just stick with sellers with 1000+ feedback.
What about m3 max vs m4 pro? They are about the same price with upgraded ram/storage… workflow is large lightroom libraries & Final Cut 4K multi cam editing (documentary films). Will I see noticeable gains from the m3 max?
The reviewer in the summary could be a bit more precise. If you’re doing 3D rendering the Max blows away the Pro. It’s a no brainer for those users to get the Max. For everyone else, he’s probably right.
Somebody said “Nobody cares about your M1 MacBook” and I felt that to my core!! We’re comparing the M4 chips, why does everyone feel the need to talk about their previous chips? Adds nothing to the conversation we’re attempting to have 🙄🤣
If you're going to be editing top end video camera footage, I would have thought you're going to be more easily able to justify the additional costs for the M4 Max to support it. Skimping on £1,500 (or the same in dollars) simply doesn't make sense considering the capital investment in the rest of the production workflow. The rest of us will cope with the M4 Pro. If you're doing professional work, the set up in cost isn't a big jump.
Great as always. I've been watching you since Max had his own channel. I recently watched some videos from 1- 2 years ago and it's incredible how much the quality of the videos has improved... even from just a year ago. Cleaner, brighter and just better presented.
I traded in my M1Pro 16GB base for an M4Pro 24GB base model, and am loving the battery life on it. I do mainly graphic design related work with some photo editing and some minor video projects (iMovie home videos). The Pro chip is spot on for the price. I tried some of my games on it as well, (Tomb Raider series) works great and I don't hear the fans ramp up either, the better graphics allows for higher quality (& FPS) game play also I noticed.
tl;dr; it's only important to choose between Pro and Max if you are doing heavy video editing. I am running my M4 Pro with 2 Parallels Win 11 VMs and a lot besides that - and it's not even starting to spin the fans. CPU load is around 7% and super fast - with 24GB RAM only. SSD is the fastest ever with around 6GB/s - M4 is a game changer compared to M1 Pro which I also use.
The main benefit of the Max and Ultra for video editing is going to be the extra media encoder. No matter the CPU and GPU power and usage that seems to have the most export impact. That’s just for exporting however which frankly is already short and not really an issue anymore. Like everything else in computing you need the tasks to actually take advantage of the raw power in these machines now. There are very few tasks that really take advantage or even need to. Even in the gaming side I feel like it has reached a good enough peak years ago already. Everything else has high diminishing returns now. Stable HD 60p gaming is pretty much a good place to be and that’s with most games not even well optimized for Metal yet or running through pure emulation. Even from a Blender perspective the M4 Pro binned model surpasses the 3060 in my desktop PC. That’s incredibly impressive to reach Nvidia levels in a few short years. AMD can’t even do that with decades of experience. While it’s nice to have faster Rendering with Blender this level is used all the time by Blender users. It’s a production ready level of performance now. At this point it all comes down to time. How fast do people want things and are they willing to pay a premium to get it faster. Do they truly need to get it faster or is it more of an impatient thing. Some pros it does come down to speed. They have tight deadlines and every hour equals money. That doesn’t apply to every professional however. For example my M1 Pro MBP can export a 60 minute 4k video in like 30 minutes. Making that faster and cutting off 5, 10 or 15 minutes isn’t likely going to have a huge impact on my life or deadlines. Now I do work with raw video sometimes and noise reduction and those are painful to work with at times. The extra performance would be welcome but not everyone needs to do that. It’s a special case just like Blender rendering.
Great video, thanks. I bought the M4 Pro 14 core 16" model. I wanted the bigger screen and after seeing it I'm glad I did. The Pro chip 14 core does everything I need it to do extremely well. I don't use it for heavy pro level video editing, but for my Final Cut projects and photo editing this thing rocks!
Would be good to know more about peak performance when in low power mode, because this fan noise is pretty high and not very appealing to an M1 Max owner.
for the logic test, please use audio tracks and if you have high cpu demand plugins, that would be much appreciated. a lot of us run on audio tracks and not so much midi all the time. it would give a more accurate real world test.
My OCed i9 and 128 GB DDR 5 build jams in midi, haven’t needed to freeze or print anything to disk with all my power…. and I run everything under the sun. Speak for yourself…
@ I mean cool beans and all but that’s not this computer. I have an m1 Mac mini with 16 gigs of ram and I’m thinking about upgrading. Sometimes I’m running an insane amount of tracks (often over 150) with neural dsp, slate and ssl plugins. Soothe2 is also a cpu hog, so I want to see what the limitations are in that kind of realm. I mean congrats and everything for using a bunch of midi but some of play real instruments too.
The issue with these scores is it really isn't showing off the difference in ram... the main reason people need more ram is that they will be rendering.. using lots of tabs + editing in ps as well. Non of these test show how using multiple apps at once affects performance. No one ever just using one program at a time... and if they do then yeah less ram is needed.
Yeah this is what I want to know. How big of a difference does going from 24GB to 48GB make? I've got an M1 MBP with 16GB, so obviously for me getting the M4 Pro with 24GB would make a difference, but that's only an 8GB increase so I'm trying to figure out if it's worth going up to 48GB for the sake of longevity. I hate having to close all my tabs while I'm working in Lightroom so it would be nice to keep it all open.
They aren’t holding back on the Max at all, it literally beats all the top desktop CPU’s out there, and people are already complaining about fan noise. They are literally at the limit for a laptop performance without compromising other points.
That’s easy M4 Pro will be a bit snappier at things like photoshop, coding and web design, but slower at video editing, gaming and stuff like that. GPU core performance score linearly and m3 max hast double gpu cores.
For 3D rendering and develop machine learning model. M4 Max price is not that crazy, compare how much need to paid for expensive Nvidia card and top tier PC components.
Perfect timing Max and Vadim! This was the very video I was waiting for. Also...When you're using 'Mac Virtual Display' in the Vision Pro, the rendering is done by the MacBook. Would love to see how the performance of the MacBook is affected when using it this way.
do a comparison 16" M3 Pro vs 16" M4 Pro for a daily use, not for video editing, but for daily use like browser or media consuming and also for battery life test and also fan test for basic stuff.
watching this on an M4 max 16 core that I got today. I use it for coding (docker and VMs), and probably also ML down the line, so I need more RAM, and you just can't configure the M4 pro with 64 GB of RAM (very deliberately of course)
Great review. With the M1 I didn’t feel like I needed the Max and with the M4, it is even more the case. I’ll buy the M4 Pro even though my M1 Pro is great. As Max said, the M4 Max would be overkill.
I would like to see the performance using windows in virtual machines... that will stress enough the ram, cpu, and gpu.. even you could compare the performance with windows laptops alone
How much of this performance difference is in the ram difference vs the cpu? If I upgraded the m4 pro to 48gb ram would it be nearly the same other than render time?
Why does the max have to double the pro? The max is 60% more expensive than the pro. So any time you get 60% more power for something that cost 60% more then you’re good to go. Expecting near double the amount of power for 60% more cost then you’re expecting too much.
I wonder whether your test should start to include more demanding GPU loads, which seems to be where these chips improved most upon. Video/photo workflows seems to be largely covered by the current prowess of apple silicon so not ‘much’ performance increase can be noticed.
There's something confusing in this test. LR Classic 42MP 500 Exports here on M4 Pro is 6 minutes (vs 4:22 in Max). HOWEVER, In your M4PRO Binned vs Non Binned, this test resulted in MUCH faster results for both binned and non binned versions (around 4:10). Can you advise? (Also - any chance for an M4 Pro 48GB Test? I can only imagine the DaVinci resolve crash is memory related and not performance related)
Previously I have gotten the Max for one reason or another of a feature not on the Pro models but now I think I will get a Pro model and go big on the Studio.
@@MaxTechOfficial You should test Neat Video denoising plugin which lots of people are using and 4090 is just so much better then any Mac. Would be interesting to see if M4 Max will come close to playing at least 24 frames in 4K
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With sales running, I can get a 14" M4 MacBook Pro for just a few hundred more than a same feature mini. Since I run it most of the day editing photos for my business, am I better to get the mini running off external power? I'm concerned about how much I'll kill the battery running it plugged in every day for years. Any thoughts?
I ran my mbp 14 on ac for over two years but used al dente to limit charging to 80%. My battery was at 100% and only 37 cycles. So if you don’t keep the battery at 100% charge it will be easy on the battery.
Hi will m5 macs support pci express 5 so thunderbolts 5 ssd reaching higher speeds ? And also why apple didn’t upgrade ssd speed this year to reaching up to 10GB/s
Hey, Max, time u add the keyboard, the mouse, the additional pad, the monitor=seems like would be a M4 MacBook Price. The little elephant in the room also is the fact that there is NO SDXC card reader slot in the Mac Mini. Of course, Orange Works, Inc. could have placed SDXC card reader in the Mac Mini, but oh no, that would be just too nice of thing to do. So we'll just have to wait for the M4 Mac Studio to show up. Who knows, maybe we'll be lucky and that device will show up in time for Santa to place it under the Xmas Tree. 😎😎
I bought a MacBook M4 Pro with 24gb of RAM. I have TH-cam channel and I edit 4k video in a 2k project on Premiere Pro but I'm switching to Davinci Resolve. Is this system enough for basic editing with color correcting?
Do you recommend nano texture? Can you show them in a black room? What’s your opinion on the nano texture display on the MacBooks? I can’t decide if to get it or not
A 4000 dollar laptop shipping a 1Tb SSD is a huge slap in the face regardless of the other specs it has. They should be shipping the MacBook “Pro” with a minimum of 1TB and the upgrade should come with 2. Storage is super cheap. I can get a 2TB NvME PCIE 4.0 ssd for like $140 bucks now. With no user upgradeable storage this is horrendous.
@ wasn’t going to, I’m talking from a value perspective. Apple is straight up ripping people off, While Max raves about value. It’s straight up not. Performance is great, value is not
I had to get the M4 Max because a custom built 48GB Ram M4 Pro would arrive after new years in my stupid country ... But oh well, I guess I'll play some games
Doubt there would be any difference in most standard benchmarks, but if you work with large file types in video creation it will help to process. Or other work loads that use large file types.
Maybe also do other more software developer test task, like testing and running LLM models. Maybe also other developer oriented tests, like compiling the Linux kernel :). I know Alex Ziskind do many of these tests, but he is also one of the only ones. Everyone do these Blender, Final Cut, Davinci test, that it's getting a bit boring - sorry
I just can't decide. I have an M3 Pro 16 base model, and I'm working on its limits. The 18GB of RAM is just not enough. Almost 100% of the time, the memory pressure is yellow, sometimes red, and I experience delays. So, I have a budget of 3k that I could stretch to 4k IF really worth it. Right now, I'm between the M4 Pro with 48GB 1TB or the M3 Max with 48GB 1TB (both 3,100 ). But I'm thinking now: should I go crazy and buy a new M4 Max (maybe with 64GB of RAM) and have a great computer to use in the next 5 years???? My work is mostly graphic and video editing, sometimes some small 3d work when needed. For sure I need RAM, when I'm working on a video advertising, I need all the edition apps opened (Photoshop, Illustrator, Figma) to change/export materials for the video
I’d say either M3 Max or M4 Max. I bought a base M3 Pro last year and later switched it for an M3 Max. It’s been great no regrets at all. But I’m a software developer who sometimes does photo and video stuff as a hobby.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'm definitely more inclined to go for a Max chip, this experience with the M3 Pro is been a bit frustrating, although I believe my main issue is the RAM size, would be terrible to make a similar mistake
Holy cow... 1:04 .... I keep going to the System Settings to change the power mode for the past 2 years!!! Thanks for the screen cap of the power mode selection, I didn't know you could switch the power mode from the menu bar! Until I seen this video, thanks!
Time is money. The earlier and faster I finished my work I can go piss off and be lazy and enjoy life. I will upgrade for 20% speed increase many times and day and it’s worth it.
The 15 is a MacBook Air, so it’s not a pro level machine. There are no fans in the 15. It really depends on what you want in screen size, portability, weight, as to which size to go for. I personally went for 16” this time as my 14 was too limited in screen size for me.
@@artemhnilov What models are we talking? I think the Max had 64GB. Which is probably around 48GB for the GPU. That's 2 x RTX 4090. I mean, for the normal Raspberry Pi-type of guy with 1-3B models to the regular nerd, playing with 7-11-13B models, it is not really gonna do much if he goes from lets say 64GB M1 Max to the 128GB M4 Max. You have to really be into it to drop thousands upon thousands of dollars for that.
That Logic Pro test looks wrong. The difference between the two machines is only 2 additional P cores on the M4 Max as tested, there's no way it should get that many more tracks in this scenario. Something is up here, you must have made a mistake with the settings.
yeah the two extra cores should only give around a 14% increase so ~330 tracks. Maybe the 24 gigs of ram filled up on the Pro and that was the bottleneck
@@transient_snail2528 yep it definitely should be something more like that. I seriously doubt this particular Logic test would even come close to saturating 24GB of RAM, it doesn't even include any sample sound libraries. So yeah, they must have made a boo boo somewhere in the settings.
Tried both. M4 pro and M4 max. Get the Max. It is noticeably faster when under heavy workloads. Extra RAM also a must. Custom config takes too long. Buy the MAX. M4 Max is like ZOOM ZOOM fast!
To be honest. People who are looking at this machines, mostly use them for work. That means you get paid, that means if you invest in Max you will extend your ROI by small amount, but then the profit generating will be faster. So its no brainer. If your not profesional and are looking to buy Mac Pro M4, then you have shit tone of money anyway so why not go all out :)
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My current Laptop is the M1 Max with 64gb of Ram and 4tb, I ordered the M4 Pro with the faster chip and 48gb of ram. For my work flow final cut export with the dual encoder chips, my M1 was faster... which is a huge time saver for me. I have returned the M4Pro for the M4 Max and I am waiting till the end of the week to do more tests. 1/2 export times with the dual encoders allows me to get back to my edits as we do 2-3 videos per day along with about 1200 raw 50mp images in lightroom/photoshop. I really wanted the M4 Pro to be able to do the job but again compared to the M1 Max FOR OUR WORKFLOW the speed boost wasn't enough.
Apple just ruined the competition
This info is super helpful and thank you for sharing your workflow! What are your thoughts on nano texture for editing?
Hey man, excuse my nosiness but how come you’re editing that amount of images daily?
Exactly. And also a perfect time for people to buy refurbished/used and loaded M1 Max MacBook Pros!
@@JohnnyMcProthat was I did 7 months ago. Coming from an mid 2015 2.5ghz with 2gb of Radeon r9 graphics card and I have looked back
Just bought M4Max 14 core. The things that pushed me were, I wanted a base config so I don't have to customize which isn't available for retail. I had to have at least 1TB, extra memory and extra gpu cores.were pluses. If you customize you lose out on the sales. Upgrading from an i7 so this is a huge jump, this thing rocks.
Same boat! There were great sales in the 14 core max just now. Sadly, the GPU upgrade is really not that strong compared to the M1Max..
Buying the m4max = instant laid
Same here, I got the off the shelf 16" with 14/32 core M4 Max, 36GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Didn't wanna wait 2 weeks for custom spec and I wanted the extra RAM and storage.
I want to see full M3 Max vs binned M4 Max, as well as binned M4 Max vs full M4 Max. Please!
Reminder if a faster computer burns twice the power but finishes in half the time, the battery drain on that task is the same
If that is the case, why the M4 Pro wins in battery life?
Idea: Binned 14” M4 max vs Unbinned 16” M4 max
The 14" M4 Max will have temperature problems, the fans are too small for that kind of chip
@ Not the 40 core GPU max, the 32 core one
Also the same was done to the M4 pro where the binned one was 14 inch while the unbinned chip was in the 16 inch model.
@@ciastek309 Proof?
@@user-jr7bb6g9ev also this would be for consistency since the m4 pro comparison was also 14 vs 16 inches and no 14 inch m4 max has been tested yet
YES PLEASE!!!! We need that
I got the M4 Pro with 48GB Ram and I am happy with one exception. I absolutely HATE the space black. Finger and paw prints everywhere. All the time I save from the faster chip I use to wipe this damn thing down.
Then get the silver. They have other colors for people like you
@@nickd7935 I would have but Apple does not have the silver option available yet.
@@karldoblinger3091 are you in the us? Every Apple store and Best Buy and other resellers have had both colors available since launch
I am going to order the same configuration. Damn Chrome browser, I can never get enough memory because of it.
Got the same 16'' pro, 48gb (would have liked a 64gb option) ... and I dig the darker space-black ... give it 3 weeks and you'll forget about wiping it down :-)
Despite your advice, I bought a 14 In. MacBook Pro Max’s (unbinned) with 64 gig and 2 TB. Upgrading from 2016 MacBook Pro. (Still works and will use it to store critical files as backup). The new MB will be used as a test machine to see how it can be used as a universal software development computer using Parallels, Windows and Linux. Have a grandson majoring in computer science. I want to see if this kind of machine will work for him in his senior year and masters program. Currently the school requires Intel Windows. It’s good to be a grandpa sometimes.
Please also test the 16" with the 36GB M4 Max, if you can. I always go for the binned Max models, they are the most balanced, as you had already figured out 3 years go with the 24C M1 Max (the one I also have). That aside, thanks for adding Resolve, appreciated!
I was ready to buy one of these to replace my 2014 MacBook Pro but with the cost of storage being so high, I ended up getting a minty M1 Max MacBook with 8TB instead, “just” $2k. I can’t *believe* how fast “good enough” is these days…
I'm planning to do the same! Where did you find your M1 Max? I don't need 8TB but was hoping for 2TB and 32GB ram.
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What about m3 max vs m4 pro? They are about the same price with upgraded ram/storage… workflow is large lightroom libraries & Final Cut 4K multi cam editing (documentary films). Will I see noticeable gains from the m3 max?
I went with this MacBook Pro but with 48 GB ram. My main use is Lightroom Classic and processing RAW photos. I think it will be a good fit for my use.
The reviewer in the summary could be a bit more precise. If you’re doing 3D rendering the Max blows away the Pro. It’s a no brainer for those users to get the Max. For everyone else, he’s probably right.
Somebody said “Nobody cares about your M1 MacBook” and I felt that to my core!! We’re comparing the M4 chips, why does everyone feel the need to talk about their previous chips? Adds nothing to the conversation we’re attempting to have 🙄🤣
If you're going to be editing top end video camera footage, I would have thought you're going to be more easily able to justify the additional costs for the M4 Max to support it. Skimping on £1,500 (or the same in dollars) simply doesn't make sense considering the capital investment in the rest of the production workflow. The rest of us will cope with the M4 Pro. If you're doing professional work, the set up in cost isn't a big jump.
Great as always. I've been watching you since Max had his own channel. I recently watched some videos from 1- 2 years ago and it's incredible how much the quality of the videos has improved... even from just a year ago. Cleaner, brighter and just better presented.
Thank you, much appreciated! Thank you for the continued support.
Is it actually worth upgrading from M1?
I traded in my M1Pro 16GB base for an M4Pro 24GB base model, and am loving the battery life on it. I do mainly graphic design related work with some photo editing and some minor video projects (iMovie home videos). The Pro chip is spot on for the price. I tried some of my games on it as well, (Tomb Raider series) works great and I don't hear the fans ramp up either, the better graphics allows for higher quality (& FPS) game play also I noticed.
Yep that’s also what I did, except I went 16” on the new machine, my M1 was 14”.
tl;dr; it's only important to choose between Pro and Max if you are doing heavy video editing. I am running my M4 Pro with 2 Parallels Win 11 VMs and a lot besides that - and it's not even starting to spin the fans. CPU load is around 7% and super fast - with 24GB RAM only. SSD is the fastest ever with around 6GB/s - M4 is a game changer compared to M1 Pro which I also use.
The main benefit of the Max and Ultra for video editing is going to be the extra media encoder. No matter the CPU and GPU power and usage that seems to have the most export impact.
That’s just for exporting however which frankly is already short and not really an issue anymore.
Like everything else in computing you need the tasks to actually take advantage of the raw power in these machines now. There are very few tasks that really take advantage or even need to.
Even in the gaming side I feel like it has reached a good enough peak years ago already. Everything else has high diminishing returns now. Stable HD 60p gaming is pretty much a good place to be and that’s with most games not even well optimized for Metal yet or running through pure emulation.
Even from a Blender perspective the M4 Pro binned model surpasses the 3060 in my desktop PC. That’s incredibly impressive to reach Nvidia levels in a few short years. AMD can’t even do that with decades of experience. While it’s nice to have faster Rendering with Blender this level is used all the time by Blender users. It’s a production ready level of performance now.
At this point it all comes down to time. How fast do people want things and are they willing to pay a premium to get it faster. Do they truly need to get it faster or is it more of an impatient thing.
Some pros it does come down to speed. They have tight deadlines and every hour equals money. That doesn’t apply to every professional however. For example my M1 Pro MBP can export a 60 minute 4k video in like 30 minutes. Making that faster and cutting off 5, 10 or 15 minutes isn’t likely going to have a huge impact on my life or deadlines.
Now I do work with raw video sometimes and noise reduction and those are painful to work with at times. The extra performance would be welcome but not everyone needs to do that. It’s a special case just like Blender rendering.
how's the performance between the M4 Pro Mac mini and the M4 Pro Macbook. Dose Mac mini have better thermal?
I think you guys figured out the right comparison videos to make this time around. 14 vs 16 base m4 pro, 16 m4pro vs 16 m4max, etc.
26% improvement on compile times! what will the Ultra bring?
Great video, thanks. I bought the M4 Pro 14 core 16" model. I wanted the bigger screen and after seeing it I'm glad I did. The Pro chip 14 core does everything I need it to do extremely well. I don't use it for heavy pro level video editing, but for my Final Cut projects and photo editing this thing rocks!
Would be good to know more about peak performance when in low power mode, because this fan noise is pretty high and not very appealing to an M1 Max owner.
I’ll go with the “binned” M4 Pro with 48GB of RAM with a 1TB SSD for Davinci Resolve and Triple A gaming (only a few games I want to play on it).
Which triple A games are available for MacOS?
I've done the same, don't need the gpu horses on mac anyway
for the logic test, please use audio tracks and if you have high cpu demand plugins, that would be much appreciated. a lot of us run on audio tracks and not so much midi all the time. it would give a more accurate real world test.
My OCed i9 and 128 GB DDR 5 build jams in midi, haven’t needed to freeze or print anything to disk with all my power…. and I run everything under the sun.
Speak for yourself…
@ I mean cool beans and all but that’s not this computer. I have an m1 Mac mini with 16 gigs of ram and I’m thinking about upgrading. Sometimes I’m running an insane amount of tracks (often over 150) with neural dsp, slate and ssl plugins. Soothe2 is also a cpu hog, so I want to see what the limitations are in that kind of realm.
I mean congrats and everything for using a bunch of midi but some of play real instruments too.
since m4 came out i was waiting for someone to make this video, thnak you so much for your content. God bless you brother
The issue with these scores is it really isn't showing off the difference in ram... the main reason people need more ram is that they will be rendering.. using lots of tabs + editing in ps as well. Non of these test show how using multiple apps at once affects performance. No one ever just using one program at a time... and if they do then yeah less ram is needed.
Yeah this is what I want to know. How big of a difference does going from 24GB to 48GB make? I've got an M1 MBP with 16GB, so obviously for me getting the M4 Pro with 24GB would make a difference, but that's only an 8GB increase so I'm trying to figure out if it's worth going up to 48GB for the sake of longevity. I hate having to close all my tabs while I'm working in Lightroom so it would be nice to keep it all open.
@@sidbrun_ exactly what i wana know too
I think they are purposely holding back the Max chip this time, so they can make the hydra series M4 ultra and extreme seem even more impressive.
They aren’t holding back on the Max at all, it literally beats all the top desktop CPU’s out there, and people are already complaining about fan noise. They are literally at the limit for a laptop performance without compromising other points.
What if you get the Max for the pro price? Is the Max worth it then? Would it make a difference in the 14 in chassis?
Compare m4 pro vs m3 max pls because it is possible now to buy used or discounted m3 max for nearly the same price as m4 pro.
That’s easy M4 Pro will be a bit snappier at things like photoshop, coding and web design, but slower at video editing, gaming and stuff like that. GPU core performance score linearly and m3 max hast double gpu cores.
For 3D rendering and develop machine learning model. M4 Max price is not that crazy, compare how much need to paid for expensive Nvidia card and top tier PC components.
No Maya or 3d max for Mac OS though
@ Maya have Mac version but not 3D max.
Perfect timing Max and Vadim! This was the very video I was waiting for.
Also...When you're using 'Mac Virtual Display' in the Vision Pro, the rendering is done by the MacBook. Would love to see how the performance of the MacBook is affected when using it this way.
Guys, please release the M4 Max 16inch base vs maxed out chip. Dying to see that vid
do a comparison 16" M3 Pro vs 16" M4 Pro for a daily use, not for video editing, but for daily use like browser or media consuming and also for battery life test and also fan test for basic stuff.
Max I would also really love to see a video comparing the M2 Max to the M4 Pro. Can this year's Pro chip beat a 2 generation old Max chip?
thanks for the comparison! looking forward to the mac studio m4 ultra ... hope they come in spring.
watching this on an M4 max 16 core that I got today. I use it for coding (docker and VMs), and probably also ML down the line, so I need more RAM, and you just can't configure the M4 pro with 64 GB of RAM (very deliberately of course)
Can you please include a boot up test. This is something that applies to everyone and I found that my old M1 Max booted faster than a new M4 Max…
Ill wait until the M4 Max Studio comes out.
@1:51 Thank youuuuu! Best inclusive, up-to-date, genuine reviews tech channel 🙌
Great review. With the M1 I didn’t feel like I needed the Max and with the M4, it is even more the case. I’ll buy the M4 Pro even though my M1 Pro is great. As Max said, the M4 Max would be overkill.
thank you so much for this comparison video and thanks for considering my request :)
Not a Fair comparison because the 516GB is a slower SSD when compared to the 1TB SSD and why that Version of the Max ?
I might just wait till more M3pros go on refurbished and pick one up myself there.
Can you do a RAM test like you did before with the base 8GB M3 vs the 16GB M3? But this time, compare it to the base M4 now that it comes with 16GB.
I would like to see the performance using windows in virtual machines... that will stress enough the ram, cpu, and gpu.. even you could compare the performance with windows laptops alone
How much of this performance difference is in the ram difference vs the cpu? If I upgraded the m4 pro to 48gb ram would it be nearly the same other than render time?
With 48GB of RAM you'd avoid the crashing but you can't catch up to the double amount of graphic cores.
The difference may show up in Topaz Video AI. For most people the Pro is enough, but creatives might want to wait for the M4Max/Ultra Studio.
Do you recommend 12-core pro chip over the 14-core pro chip? This would save more battery life
Way more people use Premiere than Final Cut! Even on Apple computers. Would be nice to see it thrown into the tests.
Thanks for the video. What do you have loaded on the logic tracks?
Got the 16 inch M4 Pro MacBook Pro for 2199.00 at Best Buy for the Black Friday deal!
Why does the max have to double the pro? The max is 60% more expensive than the pro. So any time you get 60% more power for something that cost 60% more then you’re good to go. Expecting near double the amount of power for 60% more cost then you’re expecting too much.
Get the M4Pro 14/20 and just upgrade RAM to 48G is the sweetest spot powerful machine!!
Get the Max only if you need the extra GPU power, otherwise pro all the way
what if you need more ram?
I wonder whether your test should start to include more demanding GPU loads, which seems to be where these chips improved most upon. Video/photo workflows seems to be largely covered by the current prowess of apple silicon so not ‘much’ performance increase can be noticed.
There's something confusing in this test. LR Classic 42MP 500 Exports here on M4 Pro is 6 minutes (vs 4:22 in Max). HOWEVER, In your M4PRO Binned vs Non Binned, this test resulted in MUCH faster results for both binned and non binned versions (around 4:10). Can you advise?
(Also - any chance for an M4 Pro 48GB Test? I can only imagine the DaVinci resolve crash is memory related and not performance related)
Previously I have gotten the Max for one reason or another of a feature not on the Pro models but now I think I will get a Pro model and go big on the Studio.
Please make comparison video about M3 max vs M4 pro
Can you please do against windows machines
Yes we already made a video and coming later this week!
@@MaxTechOfficial You should test Neat Video denoising plugin which lots of people are using and 4090 is just so much better then any Mac. Would be interesting to see if M4 Max will come close to playing at least 24 frames in 4K
Many people are eager to see a comparison between the 14-inch 12-core and 14-core models. Creating such content could attract a significant number of views and provide valuable information to others.
Currently, no video is available for this comparison.
With sales running, I can get a 14" M4 MacBook Pro for just a few hundred more than a same feature mini. Since I run it most of the day editing photos for my business, am I better to get the mini running off external power? I'm concerned about how much I'll kill the battery running it plugged in every day for years. Any thoughts?
I ran my mbp 14 on ac for over two years but used al dente to limit charging to 80%. My battery was at 100% and only 37 cycles. So if you don’t keep the battery at 100% charge it will be easy on the battery.
@@otwer22 Thanks. What's al dente?
It’s an app that gives you manual control over battery charging. Very useful.
@@otwer22 Thanks!
Hi will m5 macs support pci express 5 so thunderbolts 5 ssd reaching higher speeds ? And also why apple didn’t upgrade ssd speed this year to reaching up to 10GB/s
Hey, Max, time u add the keyboard, the mouse, the additional pad, the monitor=seems like would be a M4 MacBook Price. The little elephant in the room also is the fact that there is NO SDXC card reader slot in the Mac Mini. Of course, Orange Works, Inc. could have placed SDXC card reader in the Mac Mini, but oh no, that would be just too nice of thing to do. So we'll just have to wait for the M4 Mac Studio to show up. Who knows, maybe we'll be lucky and that device will show up in time for Santa to place it under the Xmas Tree. 😎😎
I bought a MacBook M4 Pro with 24gb of RAM. I have TH-cam channel and I edit 4k video in a 2k project on Premiere Pro but I'm switching to Davinci Resolve. Is this system enough for basic editing with color correcting?
Could you compare 14 inch pro Basic 12 core vs 14 core?
Great analysis. It was a very good reference for me to buy the m4pro.
Please do a M4 Max 14 vs 16 for throttling
Do you recommend nano texture? Can you show them in a black room? What’s your opinion on the nano texture display on the MacBooks? I can’t decide if to get it or not
One m4 pro now and another m8 pro in four years for almost the same price of one m4 max now
A 4000 dollar laptop shipping a 1Tb SSD is a huge slap in the face regardless of the other specs it has.
They should be shipping the MacBook “Pro” with a minimum of 1TB and the upgrade should come with 2.
Storage is super cheap. I can get a 2TB NvME PCIE 4.0 ssd for like $140 bucks now.
With no user upgradeable storage this is horrendous.
No one is forcing you to buy.😅
@ wasn’t going to, I’m talking from a value perspective. Apple is straight up ripping people off, While Max raves about value. It’s straight up not. Performance is great, value is not
@@RiceCubeTechin this case value is a subjective thing that each individual must decide.
Apple has never been a great value, it's always been more expensive
Thanks for making me feel better about not paying for the Max haha
I had to get the M4 Max because a custom built 48GB Ram M4 Pro would arrive after new years in my stupid country ... But oh well, I guess I'll play some games
Looking forwards to the “I was wrong video”
14-Core CPU
20-Core GPU
48GB Unified Memory or 24GB? Does it make any difference 48gb vs 24 gb?
Doubt there would be any difference in most standard benchmarks, but if you work with large file types in video creation it will help to process. Or other work loads that use large file types.
Do a 16 core M3 Max vs 14 core M4 Max
You should add some local LLM test, like OLLama
What do you reccomend for Blender? I[m making animation videos and want to render fast but get bang for my buck
Maybe also do other more software developer test task, like testing and running LLM models. Maybe also other developer oriented tests, like compiling the Linux kernel :).
I know Alex Ziskind do many of these tests, but he is also one of the only ones. Everyone do these Blender, Final Cut, Davinci test, that it's getting a bit boring - sorry
Can the M4 MacBook Pro run AI models well or do I really need to get an M4 Max for that?
Why m4 pro crashed shouldn’t it use swap?
HI @MaxTechOfficial
Thank you so much for the review. Could you do the same comparison with m3 max vs m4 pro?
I just can't decide. I have an M3 Pro 16 base model, and I'm working on its limits. The 18GB of RAM is just not enough. Almost 100% of the time, the memory pressure is yellow, sometimes red, and I experience delays.
So, I have a budget of 3k that I could stretch to 4k IF really worth it. Right now, I'm between the M4 Pro with 48GB 1TB or the M3 Max with 48GB 1TB (both 3,100 ). But I'm thinking now: should I go crazy and buy a new M4 Max (maybe with 64GB of RAM) and have a great computer to use in the next 5 years????
My work is mostly graphic and video editing, sometimes some small 3d work when needed. For sure I need RAM, when I'm working on a video advertising, I need all the edition apps opened (Photoshop, Illustrator, Figma) to change/export materials for the video
I’d say either M3 Max or M4 Max. I bought a base M3 Pro last year and later switched it for an M3 Max. It’s been great no regrets at all. But I’m a software developer who sometimes does photo and video stuff as a hobby.
You should get the M3 Max or M4 Max
Thanks for the recommendation, I'm definitely more inclined to go for a Max chip, this experience with the M3 Pro is been a bit frustrating, although I believe my main issue is the RAM size, would be terrible to make a similar mistake
Holy cow... 1:04 .... I keep going to the System Settings to change the power mode for the past 2 years!!! Thanks for the screen cap of the power mode selection, I didn't know you could switch the power mode from the menu bar! Until I seen this video, thanks!
For 3D like Blender or for AI calculation, the Max is the best solution but it is true that for everything else the Pro remains the best choice😊
Time is money. The earlier and faster I finished my work I can go piss off and be lazy and enjoy life. I will upgrade for 20% speed increase many times and day and it’s worth it.
Would you recommend the 14 or the 16 inch version? Is it true that the 15 inch thermal throttles a lot more?
The 15 is a MacBook Air, so it’s not a pro level machine. There are no fans in the 15. It really depends on what you want in screen size, portability, weight, as to which size to go for. I personally went for 16” this time as my 14 was too limited in screen size for me.
@ sorry I meant 14 or 16 inch!
Still can’t find a reason to ditch my M1 16” pro.
To run and tune LLM on 128 GB VRAM?
Me too
No reasons for everyone to announce why they keep their M1 whatever device. I mean, cool for you, but some people have awaited these updates.
@@artemhnilovI could see that being a valid use case. It’s not my case, but it’s a valid one.
@@artemhnilov What models are we talking? I think the Max had 64GB. Which is probably around 48GB for the GPU. That's 2 x RTX 4090. I mean, for the normal Raspberry Pi-type of guy with 1-3B models to the regular nerd, playing with 7-11-13B models, it is not really gonna do much if he goes from lets say 64GB M1 Max to the 128GB M4 Max. You have to really be into it to drop thousands upon thousands of dollars for that.
what was the seettings on davinci resolve noise reduction? Im pretty sure the pro can do 24 frames on lower settings like 3 or 4
My m4 max 14 core only scores 3800 single core score. Any ideas why that could be?
That Logic Pro test looks wrong. The difference between the two machines is only 2 additional P cores on the M4 Max as tested, there's no way it should get that many more tracks in this scenario. Something is up here, you must have made a mistake with the settings.
yeah the two extra cores should only give around a 14% increase so ~330 tracks. Maybe the 24 gigs of ram filled up on the Pro and that was the bottleneck
correction: It should be more like a 20% increase because logic only really utilises the performance cores(10vs12). so about ~350 tracks
@@transient_snail2528 yep it definitely should be something more like that. I seriously doubt this particular Logic test would even come close to saturating 24GB of RAM, it doesn't even include any sample sound libraries. So yeah, they must have made a boo boo somewhere in the settings.
Memory bandwidth in the Max models is up to twice that of the Pro models.
@@stephendavies6040 that's not going to have any effect on this particular Logic stress test at all though....
So basically for those who don’t need the most power the Pro is enough. Who’d have thought?
What a great review
STILL no LLM testing- Why?
can you compare m3 Macbook Air vs Macbook Pro m4.
Bro do one with the normal m4 too ain’t nobody got money for those chips in this economy
Dude look at past videos there are videos that you are asking for.
Tried both. M4 pro and M4 max. Get the Max. It is noticeably faster when under heavy workloads. Extra RAM also a must. Custom config takes too long. Buy the MAX. M4 Max is like ZOOM ZOOM fast!
To be honest. People who are looking at this machines, mostly use them for work. That means you get paid, that means if you invest in Max you will extend your ROI by small amount, but then the profit generating will be faster. So its no brainer. If your not profesional and are looking to buy Mac Pro M4, then you have shit tone of money anyway so why not go all out :)