The Real Reason Flying Is Worse Now

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  • Just four airlines control 80% of the airline industry - the most concentrated it’s ever been. And they’re using their power over consumers, and airports, to jack up prices. But this small airport in Missoula, Montana, is showing how to break the major carriers’ stranglehold.
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  • @JuanWayTrips
    @JuanWayTrips 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +343

    Another reason flights are cheaper in Europe is that high-speed rail provides real competition against shorter flights. Obviously, you still need to fly between cities like Rome and Madrid, but expanded rail networks within and between countries have led to a drop in prices (along with strong ULCCs).

    • @Alban-ux8jf
      @Alban-ux8jf 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      They don't just compete. In Italy they pushed Alitalia to bankruptcy

    • @SouthPeter98
      @SouthPeter98 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      That really only applies within a few countries. Prices are ok everywhere else mainly because of the competition from the ultra low-cost airlines.

    • @thiagopinto3137
      @thiagopinto3137 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +18

      Agreed. Competition should be not just airlines, should be other forms of transportation…

    • @jonathanjones3126
      @jonathanjones3126 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ryanair laughs at train travel for ticket price, granted Ryanair is a ultra low cost carrier

    • @jimmytimmy3680
      @jimmytimmy3680 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      In the US the Cars Lobby has eliminated Railway transportations.

  • @eazydee5757
    @eazydee5757 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +166

    We should de-monopolize the airline industry, and at the same time, build some high speed rail while we’re at it to reduce high prices and the amount of flights in the air.

    • @evancombs5159
      @evancombs5159 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      You likely would not see much difference in ticket prices. The difference in cost just wouldn't be that significant, and it would be more about the tradeoff between comfort and speed.

    • @Roger-vz7ol
      @Roger-vz7ol 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      It isn't just be the airline industry that should be de-monopolized. There a a plthora of greedy monopolys that are running this country into the ground.

    • @SooperTrooper100
      @SooperTrooper100 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      And start paying the pilots, crew, and airport personnel well and good.

    • @merbst
      @merbst 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@evancombs5159 I was truly impressed by the low cost of travelling between major Chinese cities, both by air & high speed rail.

    • @REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI
      @REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Oh, we used to have plenty of airliners in the US then deregulation happened in the '70s.

  • @dvdv8197
    @dvdv8197 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +283

    Oh and don't forget they PRICE GOUGED DURING CLIMATE DISASTERS.
    They need to REFUND ALL OF IT!! 😤😤😤😤

    • @blueefficacy
      @blueefficacy 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      What's a climate disaster?? Hurricanes and such are weather, not climate.

    • @arcanondrum6543
      @arcanondrum6543 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      Confirmed. My coworker purchased a ticket from the airlines, checking their and alternate websites. Tickets from Tampa to Dallas were $5000 as Hurricane Milton was forecasted to hit.

    • @Mike_Genisys
      @Mike_Genisys 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      Especially considering how they were bailed out with government funds.

    • @jessejamez5985
      @jessejamez5985 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

      @@blueefficacy I would say a climate disaster would be a disaster created by climate. Climate is the AVERAGE weather of an area. so a climate disaster is essentially synonymous with a weather disaster. Why you being ignorant?

    • @mikemann1960
      @mikemann1960 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@jessejamez5985Because they are ignorant or enjoy stocks but; most importantly a outside country troll farm trying to divide Americans.

  • @rehmsmeyer
    @rehmsmeyer 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +128

    Hotels recently learned they can cut capacity in half and double the price, meaning less cleaning needs to be done. I'm waiting for airlines to pull the same BS.

    • @lagringa7518
      @lagringa7518 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +19

      They already are with all these new restrictive baggage fees that force you to have less and less carry on sizes or pay for in hold storage.

    • @TransitAndTeslas
      @TransitAndTeslas 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      See: United's base fare with NO LUGGAGE ALLOWED, NOT EVEN CARRY ON.

    • @lagringa7518
      @lagringa7518 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TransitAndTeslas Really, I had no idea?!!

    • @patty109109
      @patty109109 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@TransitAndTeslas WestJet in Canada has the same thing although it is outrageously cheap

  • @mamatrain100
    @mamatrain100 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +193

    Imagine living in a town with no roads. Remote ish. A State capital. One Airline. One. Imagine the price gouging.

    • @erkinalp
      @erkinalp 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

      Juneau I guess? If it weren't a state capital, it would've already got a public service airline route instead.

    • @bassman91
      @bassman91 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

      Hello fellow juneau inmate 😂

    • @kma3647
      @kma3647 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      In those situations, you have issues of scale. There's a basic barrier to entry to any market and if you can't attract another airline to that area because there's just not enough demand for the service, well, yeah, you get a one-airline airport. The catch is that in those situations, the basic economics of supply and demand still act as a check. You don't have enough demand for a competitor, so the one operator still has to be responsive to the customer. More importantly, the local governments in such situations tend to end up acting as the police because they get the complaints when things go wrong. This is a situation distinct from a major metro area with an international hub airport.

    • @frankd.506
      @frankd.506 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@erkinalpI don't know do Juneau ?If not Alaska.

    • @arcanondrum6543
      @arcanondrum6543 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Deregulation keeps happening. It lets corporations "police themselves". Price gouging? Boeing aircraft killing people? Hey, "whattaya gonna do?".

  • @TimeWeWokeUp
    @TimeWeWokeUp 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +35

    "Gatekeeping" is literally what this kind of anti-competitive behavior is called across industries

    • @jonathanjones3126
      @jonathanjones3126 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Except airlines have to pay a separate entity to use the airport, they cannot really negotiate those prices

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The problem with your statement is that airlines must connect passengers to other flights, as well as have the employees at the ready to service them. The Euro system sucks because you never know where you are going to be next, and the airport authority doesn't give a shit about comfort or convenience. Defined gates work better.

  • @ravenone6255
    @ravenone6255 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +57

    Where there is greed,money and power you find corruption

    • @lamaripiazza5226
      @lamaripiazza5226 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      All part of a balanced breakfast

    • @MisterFro9
      @MisterFro9 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      This is just unregulated capitalism friend. They may have used corruption to influence politicians, but this is what capitalism is. Profit above all else.

  • @ss256
    @ss256 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +26

    Great content! The Canadian airline industry is 10x worse than the US industry. With only two major airlines we regularly pay extremely high prices. It's cheaper to get to France than a 2 hour flight to a local city. While Air Canada and Westjet continuously say they are not making any money. It's ridiculous.

    • @patty109109
      @patty109109 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      WestJet also has only about four people working in customer service so it’s actually impossible to get a hold of anyone

  • @dvdv8197
    @dvdv8197 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +144

    “This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor." -Martin Luther King, Jr.
    Still as true as ever today.

    • @quartzofcourse
      @quartzofcourse 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      The day this stops being posted on MPU vids is the day the world has either healed or collapsed into anarchy

    • @dvdv8197
      @dvdv8197 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Indeed, it can only mean two things! 😄​@@quartzofcourse

    • @dillasoul2228
      @dillasoul2228 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      This comment gets posted the exact same way so often, that I'm starting to see it as a crutch rather than a call to action

    • @Window4503
      @Window4503 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      @dillasoul2228
      A lot of social media posting and commenting is venting without action. I’d need more proof but it wouldn’t surprise me if part of the reason we don’t have more life-changing movement is because all that energy is now being vented and verbalized and left to die in text. We’ve forgotten how to organize while telling each other we need to.

    • @jessejamez5985
      @jessejamez5985 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      We gotta make change

  • @takibigames
    @takibigames 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    Damn I just discovered MPU this week and I'm blown away. Solid reporting, great production, excellent scripts, not a second wasted, no fluff. Fantastic! Tiny request: add a short credits section. As someone who also did this for a living, I can tell you it means a lot to the people behind these videos.

  • @dvdv8197
    @dvdv8197 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +69

    It's crazy how many hidden yet HUGE, DISASTROUS PROBLEMS there are in today's society, and 99,99% is MAN-MADE. 😢😤
    AND THE PERPETRATORS NEVER FACE ACCOUNTABILITY. 😤😤😤😤

    • @kalef1234
      @kalef1234 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      It is not surprising to me

    • @merbst
      @merbst 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      they are all downstream of late-capitalism & neoliberalism.

  • @Yourmission9
    @Yourmission9 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +66

    Continual consolidation of companies will only lead to higher prices among all industries, which is why I’m rooting for Lina Khan!

    • @maxstrong1999
      @maxstrong1999 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      What they've not told us in any of their airline videos is that the inflation adjusted cost of flying is half of what it was pre 1978. Things like common use gates are good and will help but we need to stop subsidizing flying and invest in alternatives.

    • @ZakiAsir
      @ZakiAsir 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@maxstrong1999 how's that boot taste?

    • @maxstrong1999
      @maxstrong1999 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@ZakiAsir how is stating the fact of air fares are roughly half of what they used to be pre 1978 "boot licking?" In 1974 JFK to LHR would have cost you about $5000 round trip in today's money now it's $1200. Things like high speed rail that aren't a total money sink per passenger mile for the government should be invested in before air travel. Flying, like driving is so subsidized it's made us unaware of the true cost.

    • @jasonpauda4204
      @jasonpauda4204 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      ​@maxstrong1999 I'm pretty sure it's next to impossible to get new rail in the us with nimbys and restrictive zoning.

    • @maxstrong1999
      @maxstrong1999 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@jasonpauda4204 that my good sir is where you are incorrect! As someone who works in the industry, I see tons of promise for rail expansion all over the US. People, myself included, are fucking sick of driving and sponsoring flying as our main way to get around is just too expensive for the government.

  • @dvdv8197
    @dvdv8197 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +28

    Greed is not the desire for more, it's the desire for more at the expense of others.

    • @lagringa7518
      @lagringa7518 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      To the point of wanting to literally control everything you need to survive as a human. 🤨

  • @kalef1234
    @kalef1234 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +29

    We have 1.5hr flights in the US costing $500+ it is ridiculous

    • @maxstrong1999
      @maxstrong1999 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@kalef1234 where to where?

    • @jonathanjones3126
      @jonathanjones3126 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      When pilots $250,000 a year who do you think pays

    • @mr.bluenotedoobop
      @mr.bluenotedoobop 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@jonathanjones3126I used to think that, but commercial airline pilots don’t make a lot of money. At least in the US

    • @TransitAndTeslas
      @TransitAndTeslas 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@jonathanjones3126 That's not the issue. Pilots have always been paid 6 figure salaries. Instead they do crap like give me 1" of leg room, and no carry on bags!

    • @jonathanjones3126
      @jonathanjones3126 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@TransitAndTeslas you have that option it's called business/first class

  • @nikkideforest8731
    @nikkideforest8731 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +17

    Another great report by More Perfect Union. Thank you!

  • @AJ81788
    @AJ81788 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Supporting this channel

  • @eringo-bragh4243
    @eringo-bragh4243 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    From a historical standpoint, the airlines were subsidized and destroyed the train system which was to mode of long distance transportation

  • @navajojohn9448
    @navajojohn9448 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +16

    I was young but in the 1960s/70s airfares were very expensive for the average family until People's Express, Laker Airways and others entered the industry

    • @jonathanjones3126
      @jonathanjones3126 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The government ensured they could get away with those prices.

  • @oatmeal710
    @oatmeal710 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    i was less than a year old when the "temporary" baggage fees were introduced, i'm almost 24 now and they're still around. the more i learn about the world around me the more it seems like i was birthed onto a rapidly sinking ship, and i know i'm incredibly far from being alone in my age group with this mindset

  • @danielalt7508
    @danielalt7508 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

    If your country has legalized lobbying... *then you are not allowed to complain.*

    • @shorts-xb1op
      @shorts-xb1op 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      Bullshit. Lobbying was written into the US Constitution at its inception; it wasn’t something that we woke up one day and voted in favor of in the past century like you seem to believe. We can absolutely criticize archaic laws that don’t benefit anybody. How else would any country make progress if people weren’t criticizing its problems?

    • @shaec3405
      @shaec3405 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes TF WE ARE. To Get Rid of lobbying

  • @kenjohnson5156
    @kenjohnson5156 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Missoula Airport that costs $100 million dollars for a town that is just under 100K is crazy. Missoula did not need this brand new huge expansion. The main reason for the this expensive project is so that Senator Tester could keep his very liberal voting block in Missoula, happy at the expense of our rising debt. By the way our ticket prices remain very high even thought we have a brand new $100 million dollar airport.

  • @hoboonwheels9289
    @hoboonwheels9289 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

    Deregulation, killed Greyhound in Canada. Now its as difficult and expensive as it is in US.

    • @jonathanjones3126
      @jonathanjones3126 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Greyhound is cheap, still sucks though

    • @SuperMadman41
      @SuperMadman41 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Greyhound is GONE in Western Canada.....

    • @jonathanjones3126
      @jonathanjones3126 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@SuperMadman41 they probably couldn't afford to keep operating

    • @nikkijubilant
      @nikkijubilant 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Greyhound was EXPENSIVE. It cost me LOTS to travel round trip Ottawa to Toronto in 1986, prohibitive. Now in 2024 round trip 60$ is less than one way to Toronto in 1986. Deregulation was good, it broke up a Greyhound terminal that charged you ten cents to use the washroom.

  • @gypsy5445
    @gypsy5445 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

    Wow, that explains a lot!! Good luck in Atlanta, Delta owns that airport!!😮

  • @thishandleisntavailable1
    @thishandleisntavailable1 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Take one shot every time they stiffly say "Biden / Harris Administration"

  • @tysonb3568
    @tysonb3568 45 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +1

    Write to Pete Buttigieg....
    They are taking steps to deal with this craziness.

  • @odez180
    @odez180 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Running an airline has low profit margins. It’s expensive for a reason

  • @aaronraycove9517
    @aaronraycove9517 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    I'm from Missoula MT! Love the shout out.

  • @harry.sumner
    @harry.sumner 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    You all are going to hate on my comment but fundamentally there isn't enough space for so many airlines in the US. Thats why most of them consolidated in the first place. The airports that are shown are hub airports for the most part - they provide the majority of the funding for these airports so of course airports will give them the best benefits to make them appear more "full-service." It would be stupid for the airport not to because if they lost their big customer the entire airport declines. Think about an airport like Minneapolis Saint-Paul, where delta operates out of. They could in theory reroute most of their west-east coast flights to detriot, or vice versa. American/United wouldn't be interested in taking over because they already have Chicago O' Scare. If MSP wouldn't give delta amenities such as good gates to appease their customers, Delta would simply leave and MSP would go bye bye. Also, the example of Missoula wasn't even that good. If you go to the gate data, you will see that still, airlines get similar gate assignments. If you look at the flight history for Alaska airlines at that airport, they almost always use Gate A1, which we conveniently also saw in this video at 7:46. They were also talking about how you don't really see a Delta and United sign but what you do see is their other stuff - branded bag sizing, signs, lane dividers, and their own software which takes more than a minute to setup. Not that they couldn't change gates, it's just a giant pain to do so and most just don't do it.
    Also, why wouldn't airlines want the low-cost competitors out? Unless it is hub-hub travel between airlines, most airlines have single-digit profit margins on routes. The airlines then only run those services for connecting passengers. Or, the other common scenario is that most budget airlines operate underserved or incredibly high demand markets. That is why southwest was so successful. Think about routes like Kansas City-New Orleans, Austin to Omaha, St. Louis to Fort Meyers. Prices were incredibly high on these routes because Point to point airlines selling connecting tickets wouldn't make money competing with direct flights, because paying for 2 landing/takeoff slots, checked bag transfer, the fuel burn during taxi, takeoff, approach, and landing chip away at the profits.
    In addition, airlines themselves lose tons of money. I think I saw a statistic that Delta lost a billion dollars in 2022 or something but posted a profit solely because of their credit card partnership. They are operating cheaply and efficiently as they can but the reality is that the airline market sucks. Nobody wants to get in it because in the grand scheme of things it just doesn't make a lot of money. If you disagree, search up how Warren Buffet dumped billions of all the airline stocks because they had slim margins.
    Anyways this was a yap I just think that there are certainly some things that could be fixed about the airline industry, but honestly I think this video advocates for something that would increase consumer prices. If there is anything weird sounding or you guys would like to discuss I would love to, but please be nice. I am just sharing my opinion. Also I didn't proofread this.

    • @nacpatil
      @nacpatil ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I call these videos woke porn. Everything corporate bad. You are the victim in every transaction. Why they refuse to see that you can take flight for a single days wage worth?

  • @carrieullrich5059
    @carrieullrich5059 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

    Common usage gates are a great idea

  • @rdbchase
    @rdbchase 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    As much as I've complained about Frontier's deficiencies, I'm lucky to fly from its base in Denver; it substantially undercuts the major airlines on price.

  • @cristo6007
    @cristo6007 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Whenever you see prices fluctuating 24/7 there's only one reason 💲💲💲

  • @cpgoef6
    @cpgoef6 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Tell me you know nothing about commercial aviation in the U.S. without telling me you know nothing. Everyone yearns for the days of old when flying was grand with more space, better food, and nicer airports. Before deregulation only the rich and upper middle class could afford to fly. The government controlled the fairs. Also, flying on an airliner has never been safer. We are safe because of regulations the government (FAA and NTSB) have created. The reason there are only the "Big 4" airlines is because of competition. Either the airlines merged or they both would fail. US Air and American are an example as well as Delta and Northwest. Now let's bring in 9/11 and increased security measures. You all complain about tickets prices but what about $20 for a burrito in an airport? They get to claim security measures for that. The airlines deal with the same thing. Let's talk about the price of airplanes. There's really only TWO major airline producers so they can price gouge the airlines. Let's talk about the jet fuel which is the most expensive part of flying. YOUR leaders in congress and the Whitehouse have enacted legislation that keeps the fuel prices high. Finally, let's talk about wages for workers. With somewhere like California raising the minimum wage to $20/hr, do you not think that every other job will want a wage increase as well? Airlines have crew bases in California but only a small percentage of the pilots and flight attendants live in LA or San Francisco because of the cost.
    Do I think the CEO needs such a huge bonus for an airline? No, their multimillion-dollar bonus upsets me. However, if you want to be able to travel from NY to LA in 6 hours (versus 6 months) and be safe, then you're going to have to deal with a really expensive ticket and live like the old days (with smoking in the cabin allowed) or you get the bare minimum uncomfortable seat with minimal leg room for a bare minimum price. You can always upgrade to business/first class and I welcome that. But before you start complaining about your ticket prices, take a look at all the regulations and all the costs associated with running an airline.

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      My only disagreement with you is CEO salaries. You cannot get, or expect to get, a Gordon Bethune on the cheap. Kellehers, Crandalls, Bethunes, are expensive and damn well should be. You want a cheap CEO? Goto Yale, get a degree then get the experience to survive the vetting by the board of directors as well as the shareholders(aka, the FUNDERS), then work the job for a crap wage, and see how long you last. You get what you pay for when it comes to leadership, and nobody in their right mind will lead for nothing.

  • @poke8735
    @poke8735 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’ve been saying that a massive boycott from consumers for just ☝🏽 day, will show that they can’t get away with this. But that is a mass cooperation between so many of us that it would be impossible

  • @DaRedGoldfish
    @DaRedGoldfish 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

    "There are more flavors of Coca-Cola then there are airlines to fly from" perfect illustration of the illusion of choice consumers have in almost every industry nowadays

    • @kendallsmith1458
      @kendallsmith1458 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yes but how many brands of cola?

    • @exactemphasis
      @exactemphasis 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Kind of a bad analogy, 4 airlines control 80% of the air travel market, 3 soft drink companies control 90% of the soft drink market

    • @pleaseenteranamelol711
      @pleaseenteranamelol711 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@exactemphasis That's an almost perfect match. Are you demented?

  • @aikafuwa7177
    @aikafuwa7177 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Flying is worse not because the large carriers have ownership of airport gates and terminals. The problem is that there is no passenger bill of rights. Cheaper fare is not a better flying experience. We need better seating and less overbooking, and transparent pricing.

  • @auto117666
    @auto117666 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    Great reporting

  • @5urg3x
    @5urg3x 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    7:15 "This is pine, sir. Utility grade!"

  • @evancombs5159
    @evancombs5159 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    The deregulation of the airline industry is irrelevant to what is going on here. What is relevant is the lack of enforcement of American anti-trust laws. In my lifetime these laws have essentially been ignored in favor of allowing companies to merge merge merge until they are so powerful they can do whatever they want. This has happened in almost every industry.

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Your argument would work except for one detail. Bankruptcy. In an over competitive market, someone will lose and that typically results in bankruptcy. Two things can result from that. Either they disappear, and local politicians get fired for not defending jobs hard enough(socialism or cheating), or they are allowed to reorganize and become "efficient" i.e. drop their wages which results in pissed off employees and a race to the bottom in the industry, ruining even more lives in the process. What you are seeking is basically analogous to what farmers in the south pre civil war wanted. Cheap prices, high benefits, zero costs.

  • @frances4797
    @frances4797 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    WHY on earth wouldn't the airline industry be regulated??!!! 😯

    • @richardgray1601
      @richardgray1601 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      It is. Heavily. Deregulation was more about removing rules around route structures and who can fly where.

    • @cteal2018
      @cteal2018 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Because regulations are evil ans communist according to Saint Ronald Regan (heavy sarcasm intended)

    • @Laotzu.Goldbug
      @Laotzu.Goldbug 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Regulation is not a binary on or off. the airline industry is obviously still regulated with everything from safety, to emissions, to security and ticketing procedures and everything. it's just that decades ago it was even more regulated in the specific categories of pricing and routes.
      One thing this video fails to mention, for obvious reasons because it conflicts with their agenda, is that well ticket prices may have gone up comparatively to 10 or 15 years ago, compared to the era when pricing was directly regulated by the federal government they are in order of magnitude less than they are now. the average person could not afford to fly in 1965 the way they can afford now, even if they think it is expensive now. The immediate effect of deregulation in the late 70s and '80s was a massive drop in price as Airline started to compete with each other whereas before they were effectively large participants in a major Monopoly.
      If the entire point of this video is that large airlines are buying up smaller ones and consolidating in a way that makes it difficult to compete, that's kind of ironic because in the era of direct government regulation it was literally impossible to compete, by law

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@richardgray1601 Deregulation also killed off the monster known as interlining, which was a sure fire way to lose a bag back in the day.

  • @St_Fish
    @St_Fish 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    MPU's analysis paces between "X is being ruined by capitalism" and "X is being ruined because we're not doing enough capitalism." Why was there no mention about how that bipartisan climate and infrastructure bill was massively watered down for corporate interests? And why still no videos on war profiteering from the genocide in Palestine?

  • @Bobywan75
    @Bobywan75 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    In short, once again monopolies and price agreements are bad for the common citizen.

    • @TransitAndTeslas
      @TransitAndTeslas 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      See: Kroger/Safeway. The grocery store will become the next airline industry if we aren't careful.

  • @EarlofSalop
    @EarlofSalop 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’d love to know what the airline lobby’s argument is for not stopping junk fees or refunds for cancel flights

  • @gregyoungman
    @gregyoungman 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Another great piece!

  • @jessicabixler1658
    @jessicabixler1658 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Colorado springs got cheaper when Fronteir left. I still go to Denver often to fly them

  • @ebby_ebby
    @ebby_ebby 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    So you’re telling me to move to France…got it, on my way😎

  • @kevinrunescape6444
    @kevinrunescape6444 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great work as always 🙏🏾

  • @blackguy-e6f
    @blackguy-e6f 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    “deregulation” and “free market” are just euphemisms for “soon to be a monopoly”. a free market only exists long enough for a company or small group of companies to come together and monopolize an entire industry. it doesn’t create competition it destroys competition. and the result is always the same. higher prices and a worse experience for the consumer.

  • @aerialbugsmasher
    @aerialbugsmasher 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    I'm usually a fan of this channel, but as an airline pilot for one of the "big 4" mentioned, I think they missed the point by many miles, at least if you go by the title alone. There's no secret, to begin with. Yes sadly as with pretty much all other industries, industry consolidation has been rampant, and it hasn't helped a bit. But regardless, if you do actually go back to the days before deregulation, tickets were exorbitantly expensive, only the very upper middle class or higher could afford to fly. A flight from Dallas to Austin would cost you a thousand bucks if not more. Nowadays though, while pricing could be better in some markets, anybody short of a homeless person can afford to fly at least once a year. I overhear a lot of my passengers telling my flight attendants it's their first time flying lately. And yes, in SOME markets SOME airlines definitely have the routes all to themselves, but in some parts of the country that's due to government regulation as well. Essential Air service is a government program to provide airline service to smaller towns, and its usually a single airline that gets the contract. The government is subsidizing the airline to fly there because it would be otherwise cost prohibitive.
    Furthermore, operating costs are extremely high for airlines nowadays, especially since all the major airlines have gone through recent labor negotiations (which I won't complain about too much personally since I feel it's the first time in 20 years I'm finally being compensated somewhat adequately for busting my ass, especially after my stint at the regional airlines only making $20k a year). Fuel costs are the #1 expense for airlines, followed by wages. That right there, is the true source of high prices. Monopolization is certainly contributing factor, but nowhere near to the extent that this video makes it seem, IMO.
    And at the risk of making an extremely unpopular opinion: passengers seem extremely entitled nowadays. They expect filet Mignon and lobster with complimentary lap dances from flight attendants on their $80 round trip ticket on spirit, then act surprised when all they get is a chair in the sky going 80% the speed of sound without dying on the way to their destination. If we went back to the pre-deregulation days where the cheapest tickets where 4 digits or higher, then you could have all the steak and caviar and the kitchen sink as checked luggage complimentary. But, the demand nowadays is for cheap tickets, therefore the supply is going to be cheap service. It's an unfortunate reality few people seem to understand or accept.

    • @blueseaview1119
      @blueseaview1119 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      You are too willing to accept a greed driven, erratic, politicized system with each distracting detail, obscuring systemic flaws and then blame the Public. Look more broadly.
      It doesn't have to be this way. Nothing does.

    • @jonathanjones3126
      @jonathanjones3126 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Sadly some people don't think as much as you and just blame one thing

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Well said, good sir.

  • @bobfg3130
    @bobfg3130 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    They didn't monopolise the market, they oligopolised the market.

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The market can't support the wild west competition this hit piece talks about. Go ask Spirit or JetBlue where competition has gotten them. The workers are tired of waiting for promises, they want their money.

  • @penguin32383
    @penguin32383 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    So many of MPU's videos can be summed up as "this industry went downhill for consumers & workers after the deregulation of the late 70's/ 80's".

    • @maxstrong1999
      @maxstrong1999 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      In this case what they refuse to tell you because it would poke a hole in their narrative is that inflation adjusted fares have cratered since deregulation.

    • @penguin32383
      @penguin32383 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@maxstrong1999 That depends on the routes, but also the level of service has also cratered. Either way, airfare in the rest of the world is much cheaper than the USA with better service.

    • @maxstrong1999
      @maxstrong1999 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@penguin32383 because they subsidize their air travel even more than we do. For example fuel is not taxed on inter EU flights. I was also just on a European airline and it was awfully similar to the domestic carriers. Level of service cratering is understandable.i am not willing to pay first class prices, like most travellers. So I cannot expect a first class experience.

    • @LegitCactus
      @LegitCactus 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah it’s crazy how that’s true every time. Consolidation of wealth to the top really screwed us all

    • @evancombs5159
      @evancombs5159 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yet in most cases it is not the deregulation that is what has caused the issues, but the consolidation of each industry. Our government needs stronger laws against consolidation of businesses, and to be more willing to enforce said laws. I would go to the extreme of making it illegal for corporations to merge or own multiple brands that directly compete with each other.

  • @ChronoNewton
    @ChronoNewton 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    I'm happy to see some airports and people are working to balance the market, and empowering travellers with fair prices❤

    • @lagringa7518
      @lagringa7518 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I'm kind of shocked that it was the Biden admin.

  • @chrisnewman8918
    @chrisnewman8918 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I refuse to deal with airlines and flying. The sad part is that I have an associates degree in aviation management and a bachelor's in aeronautics with a minor in management

  • @SimGunther
    @SimGunther 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    1:30 Oh good. Finally some labor thing that we can't 100% blame Reagan for 😅

    • @frances4797
      @frances4797 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      President Carter

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Reagan had zero to do with that. That was the Peanut that did it, not the jelly bean.

  • @mrAhollandjr
    @mrAhollandjr 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Common use gatea work in small airports and maybe possibly mediym sized nonhub airports. It would be a disaster at O'Hare. O'Hare is a hub airport for both United and American. United flights operate from Terminal 1 and American flights operate from Terminal 3. Connecting passengers don't have to worry about changing Terminals which could increase the chances of missing a Connecting flight, as changing concourses within a Terminal could be challenging enough.
    Terminal 5 at O'Hare is mostly common use, with the exception of Delta having some assigned gates. The reason Terminal 5 is common use is that it is a primarily international terminal, though Southwest and Frontier also use termibal 5.
    It would be ridiculous to have to change yerminals to connect with a flight when you are only flying one airline.
    Also airlines operate their own airport lounges which are easier to access when the aurline flights are concentrated in one area.
    While common use works great for Missoula, it can't work for Chicago

  • @stevennpitt
    @stevennpitt 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I worked in the aviation sector on the IT side in the mid-70s to mid-80s, going from highly regulated to fully deregulated in that time. It seems that the 'golden era' post de-reg. was the mid eighties to early 90's, lots of competition, good pax exp. etc. So, today, we ostensibly have 'deregulation', but due to non-enforcement of anti-trust reg (FTC), we are back in the almost same competitive environment as pre-1975. Go figure...

  • @burlingo
    @burlingo 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent reporting! Wish more people watch it

  • @kimmeex
    @kimmeex ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    “Without order nothing can exist-without chaos nothing can evolve. Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”
    - Oscar Wilde

  • @margaritoamargo6347
    @margaritoamargo6347 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    We bailed them out and they double down on their greed.

  • @meetarlesa
    @meetarlesa 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I wish more airports learn from Missoula‘s approach and help extend passenger protection.

  • @portcybertryx222
    @portcybertryx222 24 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    To be fair the on board experience and points have improved in all the big 4 plane brands. Also there is a tricky part to all this as Airlines frequently foot the bill to build new terminals at airports such as the expansions at LAX, ATL etc so they can achieve a stranglehold in those terminals often approved by the airport authority due to their funding limitations. Thats why it’s important to inject more government money into airports, rail and other transportation projects instead of just looking at highways. Low cost carries are also struggling and this encourages the big 4 to jack up prices as they know they will have demand. It’s a happy/sad situation.

  • @brianrutherfield9233
    @brianrutherfield9233 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    “The big guy” was definitely out for his best interest

  • @girlofanimation
    @girlofanimation 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Airline prices are ridiculous in the US. So are most vacation activities like skiing, boat tours, ziplining, etc. Other countries are far more affordable for travel and leisure.

  • @bertbaker7067
    @bertbaker7067 41 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Airline deregulation is also why air ambulance companies can charge $30k or $35k for something that often costs less than $12k, because they're technically airlines. God help you if your insurance doesn't cover it. Also, the overwhelming majority of air ambulance trips are actually hospital to hospital, and not what people typically picture.

  • @frequentlycynical642
    @frequentlycynical642 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Continental used to fly from Sarasota, FL to Houston, its major hub. One fine sunny Florida day they announced that they would no longer serve Sarasota. Fares immediately increased.

  • @SkarGig
    @SkarGig 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    Very literally learned all of this plus more in 2 days of Econ101 at university.

  • @JStorm13
    @JStorm13 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Once i flew into Baltimore and waited on the ground stopped, i think 20 minutes, because the airline i was flying only had full gates. They had to thank twa(yes a long time ago) over the intercom for letting them, use their gate. Just so we could deplane.

  • @WrottJackson
    @WrottJackson 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    “Hey, a new hole in the plane! Hope I don-“

  • @BackWhereYouStarted
    @BackWhereYouStarted 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    LOVED THIS! it was so relieving to be able to watch something that gives me hope instead of wishing for the sweet release of death

  • @johnchedsey1306
    @johnchedsey1306 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    flying is such a miserable experience that I will strongly consider a long roadtrip as an option over it. And usually opt to drive.

  • @kenromaine2387
    @kenromaine2387 34 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    What a waste of tax dollars. Who is the Congress people and Senators handing out the "PORK" on this project?

  • @NoNotThatPaul
    @NoNotThatPaul 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    Every capitalist is out for their own interests, and every capitalist wants a monopoly

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      But every socialist craves a slave.

  • @MichaelAllison-b9s
    @MichaelAllison-b9s 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +20

    Always love seeing your videos , very educative, I'm really blessed only God knows how much I praise him, getting $100k bi weekly and I’m retired now. I’ve got a good cash and can also support my family

    • @KristinaTroyer
      @KristinaTroyer 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Hello!! how do you make such bi-weekly , sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe God

    • @MichaelAllison-b9s
      @MichaelAllison-b9s 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      This is what Daisy Clara does, she has changed my life.

    • @CarolRiseBell
      @CarolRiseBell 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Wow! I know Daisy Clara, and I have also had success...

    • @FlavinRobert
      @FlavinRobert 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Absolutely! I have heard stories of people who started with little or no knowledge but managed to emerge victorious thanks to Daisy Clara.

    • @KristinaTroyer
      @KristinaTroyer 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Please what’s her contact information?

  • @jakestechden
    @jakestechden 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The biggest underlying issue apart from greed that the infra act has helped with is common use is expensive in the US. I have worked for multiple carriers over the last decade and using "city gates" aka common use gates costs extra to every airline above their lease agreement. My current airport is moving to a predominantly common use model for gates but sticking with branded ticket counters for each airline. Half of the terminal will be common use when renovation is completed late next year.

  • @darrenrodgers6425
    @darrenrodgers6425 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I’m so glad I wasn’t just imagining it

  • @chucky187
    @chucky187 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Airlines sharing gates is a terrible idea. One airline can cause a delay to multiple other airlines. Not to mention the safety issues and excess fuel used by moving equipment around. This "expert" knows nothing.

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Ding Ding Ding, winner winner!

  • @fw1421
    @fw1421 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    They compete the price UP,not down. This is capitalism in America today.

  • @xKarenWalkerx
    @xKarenWalkerx 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    My frontier ticket last week was $18 and the tax was $45. Coast-to-coast, one-way.

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      So, how do you expect the crew to be paid if you freeload on a fare like that. You are part of the problem.

  • @REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI
    @REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Oh I didn't know a trashcan can keep prices artificially high. /s
    Plot twist: United is that trash can.

  • @kalef1234
    @kalef1234 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I never understood people dick riding Delta because it makes them feel fancy. They left me and 23 others behind once, no airline should have your allegiance

    • @starventure
      @starventure ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Shit happens. Live with it. Read your contract of carriage before you pout.

  • @HypatiaMuse
    @HypatiaMuse 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The only thing I dislike about being lower-income is not being able to afford to travel. I get jealous whenever I go to take or pick people up at the airport 😅

  • @davidharris4110
    @davidharris4110 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great content 👏 👏👏👏👏

  • @ghoulbby
    @ghoulbby 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It's because Montana has more millionaires and billionaires buy homes in the area, so they're getting upgraded infrastructure and airports to appease the new high class community.

  • @GoVoteDemocracy
    @GoVoteDemocracy 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Very interesting.

  • @TransitAndTeslas
    @TransitAndTeslas 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Funny enough because I have noticed this a long time ago. Newer airports have lesser "permanent" structures I have noticed, and more "temporary" signage, as it should be! There should be no reason why an airline should be able to take over an entire airport, and over the airport's branding. The Missoula model/European model.

  • @spoonikle
    @spoonikle 58 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Ok, but why is nobody talking about the real issue!?
    We gotta boycott that mans barber.

  • @j.kristineemmons
    @j.kristineemmons 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I commonly fly through a common usage airport, but I'm trying to remember which one it is....Midway?

  • @navajojohn9448
    @navajojohn9448 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I equate flying to using the Long Island Railroad for travel. Less hassle to use a train.

  • @EthanKironus8067
    @EthanKironus8067 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I'm not disagreeing, but didn't the de-regulation make it more accessible to more people? I'm genuinely wondering here, because I've heard that it wasn't so affordable.

  • @jeffreychandler8418
    @jeffreychandler8418 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I was surprised missoula was highlighted here because I didn't think there was anything different about my flight out of there last year. But I checked prices for the same flight at roughly the same time just now and the price was cut in HALF as a result of these low cost carriers coming on during the summer.
    People, this model alone will save you hundreds.
    If we can also enforce antitrust, flying will become economical again.
    and since most of us also care about the environment, that will give greater headroom and incentive for airlines to divert funding towards carbon zero.

  • @07wrxtr1
    @07wrxtr1 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    More Perfect Union should rename itself to: “Stakeholder capitalism”

  • @bentrider
    @bentrider 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Airlines and other businesses will only charge as much as the customer is willing to pay😊

  • @qfrb97
    @qfrb97 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    While everything you said is true, one thing you didn't address is that those specific airline branded terminals are built and paid for by the airlines themselves, that is a cost that they need to recoup. And even if you want the local airports or municipalities or state to build and pay for the terminals, they will simply recoup those costs by charging fees to the airlines, who will in turn past that cost along in the price of a ticket.

  • @TrainerAQ
    @TrainerAQ ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I'm an airline pilot and I voted for this today. All I will say is whatever happens happens. Either way I can't say I am for or against this, because I stand on both sides of the aisle and there is something for me to gain in life regardless of who win this election this time around.

  • @mattb4625
    @mattb4625 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Oh look, yet another industry where we can see that consolidation and lack of competition crushes consumers. When are we going to realize that corporate mergers should be illegal? If you want your competitor gone, you should be forced to outcompete them into the ground, not buy them.

  • @Audiogeek-kf2ez
    @Audiogeek-kf2ez 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The worst oeice of legislation ever on travel.

  • @mitchbandalan9450
    @mitchbandalan9450 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    A bill introduced by Elizabeth Warren and Josh Hawley? What? I never thought in my life I would see those 2 working together on something. Am I dreaming?

    • @xKarenWalkerx
      @xKarenWalkerx 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I know, I had to go back and hear it again. Thought the only consenting meeting those 2 would have been nothing short of a pillow fight 🛌

  • @Achrononmaster
    @Achrononmaster 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It is a good anti-monopoly story. So a good lesson. On the other hand most people want to cut back air travel since it is not 'green'. In this case higher prices are a good thing. But it matters where the price comes from. In the old regulated airlines day when price was "cost + mark-up" it was good. However, today there is a hidden cost of energy consumption not being addressed, and if we included sustainability as a cost somehow, then even with the competition the prices should probably go up. We want fewer people traveling on planes and more on trains. Speed is not always of the essence.

  • @mattsmith-sq3iq
    @mattsmith-sq3iq ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    sounds like the "expert" wants the cab back. yikes.

  • @veritas2222
    @veritas2222 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Good job!!!

  • @kylewollman2239
    @kylewollman2239 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Always cool to see a Missoula shout out!
    Does it seem odd to anyone else that the Biden administration hasn't been more vocal about the positive impacts they've had? I pay fairly close attention to politics and I hardly ever hear about these things.

    • @TimEssDub
      @TimEssDub 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Those are not "sexy" topics, but it should be touted

    • @johnchedsey1306
      @johnchedsey1306 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Democrats aren't great at messaging, plus it gets lost in the right wing noise/disinformation chambers. And Biden seems allergic to self aggrandizement.