Loving this video series. Thanks for filming it. Would love to see Ed as a guest on the Full Grain Podcast, his stuff is nice and very different from Horween.
Agreed, it fills a different niche. It would be nice to see everyone talking and exchanging knowledge. It's nice when there isn't a whole lot of overlap. I have seen Skip Horween praise both Wickett & Craig and Herman Oak due to not really having a lot of products that overlap between them as well. It's nice to see the tanneries talk to one and other. I remember hearing about a Wickett & Craig and Horween collab a few years ago. It could be fun to hear the details if there was much to it!
I’d like to agree with you agreeing with me. I think it’d be interesting to know theoretically how Ed might use hot stuffing and pit tanning if it was available to him. And along those lines, practically speaking, would a Gallun x Horween collab like that make good business sense or if they’d bump too close to each others proprietary knowledge. I’d hope that American tanners collaborating with each other would be a net positive for tanners, makers, and end consumers; but I can also see how that could lead to tanneries eating into each others markets if it wasn’t done carefully.
@@chrislee8888 Ed spawned off of Law Tannery to my understanding. SB Foot used to do Pit Tanning but doesn't any longer. Pit tanning offers some distinct advantages you can't realize otherwise. The main issue with it is real estate. It takes up a lot of room and you have to know how to clean and maintain it and it is a whole lot slower. Hot stuffing the way Horween does is rare these days. Most tanneries tend to emulsify their ingredients. Nick goes into it on one episode. Chrome Excel smells like no other leather for a reason. I am not sure that Horween has the luxury to do a collab in terms of room. If they have some downtime maybe? Ed seems to be doing a lot of experimenting, I imagine with time he will iron out and refine more and more of his recipes. I more mentioned I would love to see them all together on Full Grain Podcast doing an episode together. It would be nice to see them all get nitty gritty into leather and experimenting with it all. I would personally be curious to see an combination tanned elk hide with lots of oils and waxes. It could make for a good work leather and would be something in his sand I would be interested in. Hopefully with a lot of pull-up. Where I live Nubuck or Roughout isn't the best. It gets too dirty, too fast due to air particulates. Smooth leather is ideal because you can brush it clean easier and is less maintenance. I would be curious as to his recommendation for myself if I could ever get a response back from him.
@@Vultain I was looking back at some old episodes of FGP and the wickett and Craig collab slash tannery collaboration was mentioned: th-cam.com/video/j9eYF-jeNQY/w-d-xo.html I wonder if the jabari boar crust with a cordovan finish or the light metal Teton stag base tannage with a chromexcel retan would be cool products, or if they’d be consigned to the scrap heap of bad leather ideas.
@@chrislee8888 Hard to say, whatever it might be I would prefer an unbuffed full grain aniline surface and made to be a good boot leather. It would likely be a one off. Also thank you for the link. I remembered the collab being discussed but not the details. Thank you for going the extra mile and putting in the leg work. Alum tanning tends to stretch a lot but the other intrigues me. I prefer boots that mold to me and so stretch isn't something I seek more due to my volume issues.
They need a better naming convention when naming leather though. I have struggled for a while to look for waterproof leather. I've only found 2 of that kind, La Bretagna and oak Hermann leather 1881, and the latter didn't even have waterproof in its name, someone had recommended that to me though.
Loving this video series. Thanks for filming it. Would love to see Ed as a guest on the Full Grain Podcast, his stuff is nice and very different from Horween.
Agreed, it fills a different niche. It would be nice to see everyone talking and exchanging knowledge. It's nice when there isn't a whole lot of overlap.
I have seen Skip Horween praise both Wickett & Craig and Herman Oak due to not really having a lot of products that overlap between them as well. It's nice to see the tanneries talk to one and other.
I remember hearing about a Wickett & Craig and Horween collab a few years ago. It could be fun to hear the details if there was much to it!
I’d like to agree with you agreeing with me. I think it’d be interesting to know theoretically how Ed might use hot stuffing and pit tanning if it was available to him. And along those lines, practically speaking, would a Gallun x Horween collab like that make good business sense or if they’d bump too close to each others proprietary knowledge. I’d hope that American tanners collaborating with each other would be a net positive for tanners, makers, and end consumers; but I can also see how that could lead to tanneries eating into each others markets if it wasn’t done carefully.
@@chrislee8888 Ed spawned off of Law Tannery to my understanding. SB Foot used to do Pit Tanning but doesn't any longer. Pit tanning offers some distinct advantages you can't realize otherwise. The main issue with it is real estate. It takes up a lot of room and you have to know how to clean and maintain it and it is a whole lot slower.
Hot stuffing the way Horween does is rare these days. Most tanneries tend to emulsify their ingredients. Nick goes into it on one episode.
Chrome Excel smells like no other leather for a reason.
I am not sure that Horween has the luxury to do a collab in terms of room. If they have some downtime maybe? Ed seems to be doing a lot of experimenting, I imagine with time he will iron out and refine more and more of his recipes.
I more mentioned I would love to see them all together on Full Grain Podcast doing an episode together. It would be nice to see them all get nitty gritty into leather and experimenting with it all.
I would personally be curious to see an combination tanned elk hide with lots of oils and waxes. It could make for a good work leather and would be something in his sand I would be interested in. Hopefully with a lot of pull-up.
Where I live Nubuck or Roughout isn't the best. It gets too dirty, too fast due to air particulates. Smooth leather is ideal because you can brush it clean easier and is less maintenance. I would be curious as to his recommendation for myself if I could ever get a response back from him.
@@Vultain I was looking back at some old episodes of FGP and the wickett and Craig collab slash tannery collaboration was mentioned: th-cam.com/video/j9eYF-jeNQY/w-d-xo.html
I wonder if the jabari boar crust with a cordovan finish or the light metal Teton stag base tannage with a chromexcel retan would be cool products, or if they’d be consigned to the scrap heap of bad leather ideas.
@@chrislee8888 Hard to say, whatever it might be I would prefer an unbuffed full grain aniline surface and made to be a good boot leather. It would likely be a one off.
Also thank you for the link. I remembered the collab being discussed but not the details. Thank you for going the extra mile and putting in the leg work.
Alum tanning tends to stretch a lot but the other intrigues me. I prefer boots that mold to me and so stretch isn't something I seek more due to my volume issues.
Wow whatever that leather was at the end with the mirror-like finish is wild.
so, who will be the first to step up next year with leather lanyards for the passes around the neck? no more fabric ribbons
They need a better naming convention when naming leather though. I have struggled for a while to look for waterproof leather. I've only found 2 of that kind, La Bretagna and oak Hermann leather 1881, and the latter didn't even have waterproof in its name, someone had recommended that to me though.
Which one does grant stone call black waxy stag? The Teton deer?
That is correct!