New Tier 10 German Destroyer For Steel - Z-42 First Impressions
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When turning the ship is almost as quick as turning the turrets. 🤣
Feels IJN man
To be honest Z-42 kinda got overnerfed last time,it was pretty damn strong but a tweak would have been enough instead of a pretty signifficant nerf
It was a German Harugumo which is something interesting but with hydro and very special smoke
Similar style of game to Cossack
Best definition "
but who wants a Harugumo with british smoke and hydro in the game?
@@GodOfWaaar Considering the normal Haru has pretty good torps and legendary upgrade which takes the farming to another level...
Smoke was fine,hydro could have been changed from 6 to 5 km and it would solve the "can spot before gets spotted" without obliterating the rest
What Steel ship is a weak one when you have the likes of Stalingrad
And considering what stuff is about to come into the game *European Style of Radar Smoke DD's with Gdansk as the top of the line...*
@@MrTrool323 "what steel ship is weak when you have a big hunkashit that bursts into flames like a Californian gender reveal party, can't take skills to augument its tankiness, gets spotted from space, and gets devstriked if a single Bismarck has your side"
The nerf probably came in mind of Lutjens. With Lutjens active, Z-42 has about 10k higher AP DPM than harugumo even post nerf, and that seems to be what they are aiming for. A gimmicky harugumo with the weakness against torpedoes removed. IMO this is a reasonably strong steel ship, something like shikishima if you want a comparison - as strong as the tech-tree one, but with some gimmicks and some weakness mitigated.
As for the new european DD branch - I'd say don't worry about it, there's no way such a jack-of-all-trade with such absurd strength makes it into the game. One way or another they will be nerfed into oblivion, the only question is how.
I think you really want to get grease the gears esp. with Lutjens. You've got so many things boosting your gun DPM, but that doesn't matter if you whenever your guns are off target due to traverse. Lutjens gives you 20% for 1 point I think that makes are more sense then some of the other commander skills you took.
You can also switch out the Aiming System mod for Turret Traverse mod.
These german steel ships are a good example of new content without power creep - too bad that doesn't apply to CVs, subs or anything russian!
And too bad all other new content is always power creeping...
Unsurprisingly, the Midway got the combat scout achievement in the first game. Z42 looks fun-ish
A German fun ship in development = neutered
Like the review. I'm interested in this style of ship, I will be getting it.
Damage numbers performed here look very good, maybe I am wrong, but it seems to me, that DDs main goal is not dealing damage, but rather more goals, incl spotting (damage), capping and dealing with enemy light armor alot.
I think it is finally reflected by different damage achievements for each class.
Nobody really wants Harugumo DPM copy with extra german hydro and brittish fast smoke, that would make it DD undertaker.
I am bit dissapointed by its torpedo set, either quintuples or 12km would be ok for steel ship, but this just seems you gonna have troubles when radar ship stay there and gun traverse speed won't help much. But it's more gunboat, so bit weaker on torps is ok.
That unusual combo of fast smokes and german hydro seems the thing what makes it worthy of consideration finally (sorry if I am repeating your words, SLM).
and to the sub: LOL [the laughter is fake, but the tears are real]: a bunch of HE hits + 8 depth charge hits, yet the sub will sink you. WG at its best
Good call, WG. A lot of Bismarcks laid up in ordinary waiting for main battery guns that shoot straight. Might as well get some mileage out of their secondaries.
Can you do a beginner help series? There’s so much I want to get into with this, but it’s been so many years since I played before this past time getting in. It may help just to know basic stuff. How do you slide the camera over in the bino view?
TY PQ!
Shared with clan :)
she's the talk of the patch~
I'm not too impressed, it got way over nerfed. To take advantage of the smoke hydro combo it has to push in, but the slow turret Traverse makes that difficult. I think the harugumo does it better. If I pick this up it will be for my last steel ship
I would love the z52 line to have this kind of smoke too, it would make them a lot more playable than the current german smoke
nice, looking forward to it
Reminds me of the Fen Yang kinda, strong AP, weak HE (low pen but high fire chance), and situational torpedoes. No hydro tho, but defensive fire and torpio reload booster.
Hello thanks for your video and all the content. I wanted to ask you where you found the crosshair you're using, I have searched both the vanilla selection and Aslain's and couldn't find it, thanks. Also how do you display the radar/hydro radii on the minimap ? Have a great one
AP Harugumo with crazy hydro and bursty smoke, expect to see this one in competitive
how do you make the player count visible in the top left corner? and how are you tracking these dditional resources like coal and steel?
"And that's fair, it takes a while to learn this game"
Longer for some of us than others...
27:21 this is why you NEVER try to hunt a sub in DD!
They really need to model dds on the WWII class of ships specifically designed to hunt Subs.......
@@Skerra-kk6sm An easy fix would be to adjust DDs detectability to 1-2km by sub, and usual 5-9km for everything else.
Are you kidding? I LOVE hunting subs in DDs--totally fun, and a unique niche role, and a good DC drop is death to subs, but you do have to be careful of the sub's stern tubes when passing one.
@@scotblair3717 He had 8 hits, no kill. If sub has competent teammates then you are shot into pieces. You can kill overextended subs, but try this against a good one. I think it is not worth at the beginning of the game. I agree, in the endgame, if your DD survived, yes, you can have fun and take risk - DD was still killed by the sub, so you don't do this at the start. Generally, BBs are much better for that, unless they are A/H line campers, but then you lost already.
@@Skerra-kk6sm The entire Swedish line of DDs are actually dedicated sub-hunters IRL. Those scaffold-looking structures on the turrets are actually launch ramps for *anti-submarine missiles.*
the combination of low alpha torps and the slow turret traverse is enough for me to pass.... especially since I'm a pretty bad player anyway.
Thanks for the video!
My theory build for this is Preventative Maintenance, Last Stand, Survivability Expert, Concealment Expert, Adrenaline Rush, Grease the Gears, Extra-Heavy Ammunition, Main Battery & AA Specialist, Demolition Expert.
Basically same build but drop SI for Demolition Expert + Grease the Gears. SI isn't that valuable because no heal and high smoke count. Grease the Gears is great because of the traverse, and the Demolition Expert has an oversized impact on Z-42 because it helps out the weaker HE and boosts your firestarting much more in proportion to any other ship because the base fire chance per shell is so low (5%). Bringing it up to 6% with DE is 20% more fires. Combined with quarter-pen and the extremely high shells per minute, the HE isn't really that bad once you add DE into the mix. I use the same build on Z-35 which feels similar. Another option is finishing with Consumables Expert instead for +10% on the hydro; with the hydro coal mod, you can bring it up to 156 seconds which makes loss of SI hurt even less.
I'd also drop the SI but instead of Demolition Expert I will probanly pick up Consumables Enhancement for longer Hydro and Speed Boost duration.
I don't think the extra 1% fire chance will make a difference so I'd rather have longer consumables, espcially considering you lose 1 charge of them due to not having Superintendent.
DE is a must. I use it on Takahashi too, the more guns on the Ship the more useful is DE
aren't those the same torps as the t-22 has?
It will be harder than z52 or softer?
If you had the choice between the Z-42 or the Ragnar for your next steel ship, which would you choose?
how often one really not seeing RADAR at these high tier games today , more like the exception than the norm and add on top CC, and SS
10:25 PQ... if you only would check the ship stats on some of the stat webs, you would know that you have standard 10ms short fuse and 18mm only fuse arming treshold. So literaly zero chance to owerpen on DD hulls, only if you hit some thinner superstructures.
Other questions - why not IFHE ? You would pen 32, just like your ( mentioned ) german 105mm secondaries, which you know what that mean - all the 27, 30, and 32mm things being not shatters but pen dmg. Well, we will see us later... PS EDIT: 1st game 3,3k fire dmg btw... so yeah, IFHE...
IFHE makes sense to me as well, but on the other hand, u would have to sacrifice one of the other 3 point perks and all of them seem quite usefull. PQ was mainly using AP so idk if ifhe is worth it in that case
@@NoName-wi8xz ofc it is, you can live without superintendant, you have already 6 smokes. and there will be many situations where HE ( with 32mm pen ) will be much more usefull.
You really cripple your fire chance if you take it and considering how much higher the AP damage is it makes sense to focus in that instead.
The He damage is just pityful and you really don't want to shoot HE.
If only Lutjens could be used in Clan Battles. WG balancing ships based entirely on specialty captains is kind of BS imo.
gasp! so I didnt buy Plymouth yet but I watch your video on it and I love my Minotard and I did love the Z52 when it came out. Jeez I only have enough to choose any one steel ship. hmmm, thanks for the videos anyway!
dont buy plymouth, mimo is much better
Plymouth is a good ship. It trades a bit of DPM for straight up alpha, which actually is a VERY good trade when you consider that one of the biggest problems that makes radar mino absolutely dented is that DDs with a brain just angle to you the moment you radar them, so you only really get one good salvo of damage. I'd rather do a good Plymouth salvo than a good Minotaur salvo. Furthermore, Minotaur has to choose between smoke and radar. Plymouth just gets both. So you can smoke up near a cap circle and anyone who tries to approach you will get radared and farmed. You're a complete no-go zone for DDs, and unlike Mino, they can't even see you.
What screen resolution is you monitor? You have a lot more real estate that my 1920x1080.
Ah yh , the quite op dd that they gutted in a single patch afterwards
Is this ship comparable with Daring?
Call me crazy but making dds immune to pings might work to help balance them against subs.
I don't think It's worth the steel, especially for those who are in clans that doesn't do that much battles, those who doesn't get to rank 1 every season (because not everybody has that much patience to garbage players). It could've been an awesome gimmicky coal ship tho. Looking at other steel ships, they have a lot more gimmicks than this. One has Satsuma guns with harugumo secondaries, one is basically a cruiser with 508mm guns, other one has literally everything but only the caliber is small (which doesn't matter that much unless you are firing ap to angled target, but why would you), one is alsace but gazillion times better, no need to talk about fdr, sap psycho austin, etc etc. This ship feels a bit meh compared to these.
Seems like a well-balanced ship, especially for a recent design. They used the number from a cancelled 1936b hull, which allowed them to work with the Tier VIII Z-35 hull. Swapping out the standard 128mm surface-only single mounts for dual-purpose 105mm twin mounts would be a logical choice for work in the English Channel in the mid to late war as the Allies gained air superiority.
In short, enough gimmicks to keep a Tier VIII hull viable in the gimmick-rich Tier X environment, but not overpowered. A minor disappointment in getting the conventional depth charge rails rather than the depth charge throwers of the real 1936b destroyers. It would be nice to be able to land depth charges on subs without having to run right over them. But both AA and ASW upgrades are kissing-your-sister perks anyway. Not like you are ever going to be able to actually counter skilled players in WG’s favorite ship classes.
That’s a lot of steel, though. An expensive commodity.
Yeah, very interesting, a "well-balanced ship". Funny how only the German ships get "well-balanced" and literally every other nice looking idea gets OP or super OP properties to make it fun, engaging and lasting in the game. The only exception is the recent line of Japanese cruisers, which are mostly dogshit.
Z-42 appears to be one of the weakest Steel ships - I would even prefer the Somers because it still has got the torpedo power. For a gunboat the Z-42 is not good enough. I have checked my today's games again before commenting here: 11 games so far, games with NO radar cruiser in the enemy team: ZERO. Games with radar cruisers having 10 km or 12 km radar range: 8 out of 11. The other 3 games were Salem's, Plymouth's and so on.
So how viable is such a ship when only unicums or super-unicums can really enjoy it.
Why waste the Steel when at the same time Ragnar is available, or when new smoke-radar tech tree DD's are released etc. etc. Why playing the Z-42 when the Daring is a well-proven tech tree ship? Even the Black in Tier 9 makes more sense because it has the long range torpedoes which hit hard. The torp speed of 45 kn is irrelevant. Smoke and radar is so nice that even normal players can obtain great results in ships like the Black.
To me, Z-42 is dead on arrival, because for some reason they decide to "balance" the ship. And don't get me wrong, I wish they would return to a more traditional rock-paper-scissors approach and make all ships have significant downsides...but that's not what WG is doing. They continuously release bullshit stronK ships with a million consumables and gimmicks, so that - in comparison - German ships make no sense in 9 out or 10 cases. They are too balanced to be competitive for more than 75% of the player base. Think about bullshit like Friedrich, Pommern, etc. including the Meta morphing into more and more passive, stale gameplay, punishing brawling.
@@bobbwc7011 german dds were supposed to be gun boat initially in the game but they turned into weak boat instead in the current meta with all these balanced ships.
I hate to bring this up but the whole 15 slavos it took to do anemic damage to that sub at 26:22 was hilarious game design while all the sub had to do was line up 2 torps to remove most of the DDs health... oof maybe AP would have faired better?
Might be an ok ship for the current meta. But no improved ricochet angles is a big downside and once people know the ship wil be much worse in combat.
Why play this over daring?
10 km torps are almost useless these days. It works on an OP blob like Benham, but even the Benham (2019) struggles against the many radars.
I think they made a German ship which is more viable than normal German ships but it still has so many downsides for normal players.
Most of the player base is not unicum or super-unicum.
The real question is which one is the better pick for steel for the first time if you wanted a steel DD - this or Ragnar?
Depends, are you a brawler or a long range sniper?
dont get it why ppl compare this boat with harugumo. its more like a german t10 cossack. whats the unmodified gunrange? for me back in my active days 12-12.5 km was the magic number so u could invest mods or captain skills in other departments than gunrange
Good matches! Sad to see the sub doing sub things but hey, shotgunning is rare, right? :D
Omg that turret traverse looks painful. Otherwise though seems pretty good.
Just skill grease the gears and if its still to slow put the module on. Its like Klebers traverse
@@zane660 Yep. No way I could live with that traverse as it is
I'm just curious since this is a T10 ship why! Isn't it named Z58 or Z60 or higher??
It’s based on a Zerstörer 1936B hull.
The Z-46 (ingame) already is based on its successor the Zerstörer 1936C and the Z-52 is even more advanced.
So with Z-42 using the 1936B hull the number had to be lower for this ship and Z-42 makes sense.
@@tmGrunty ok thanks for clarifying that for me I was curious how that worked....
Underwhelming for a Steel Ship imho.
Wouldn't play it even if i've got it with a container.
So now we make a jinan again with sa zhenbing skill:D
So its just a more sophisticated z35?
I get combat scout a fair amount of times, is it hard?
dang, i want McBurger and this Ship
but i dont play rank or CB 🤣😂
I'm waiting for the MZ-42.
Is that a motorcycle made in Saxony?
Looks like you will need RL if you don't want to be surprised by a DD
So If you don't have Ragnar, would you take Ragnar or Z-42 first?
I had the same thought! I had the steel for the z42! I didn't had any steel ship! Because I had småland I was waiting for that z42 to be my first steel, but after that nerf I get Ragnar! Maybe I will get z42 next year! Keep in mind that Ragnar is 1.5 year out ,, so they might remove her! No! I don't think z42 is better! It would be better before the nerf! 160.000 base He dpm no heal no armor no radar no! Akizuki have something like 190.000base dpm! Wow just can't stand to release a good German ship! Since German invasion xd
Ragnar is a fun gunboat. It has the problem that captain skills are very different from other European DDs, except Friesland which is close.
If you like gunboating and can dedicate a captain, you will probably enjoy Ragnar.
@@j_taylor I have Friesland which is one of my fav DD's and a 21pt commander I play on her. So I have been leaning toward Ragnar but have been waiting for Z42 to see how she came out in her final state.
@@waynelawrence5220 I have Groningen with 21 skill commander and she is one of my fav dds! If you have Friesland you're familiar with no torp gun boat dds! I love that play style! I like so much gun boat dds that I play them in a row something like Ragnar then Groningen then Smaland and when I play småland I forget to torp! Z42 have different play style than Ragnar tho! Z42 is more like Daring. I'm completely disappointed with that z42! They destroy her dpm for that British smokes + 6km hydro! There is a lot better dds with much higher he dpm that in 1 vs 1 fight will melt z42! And that is Ragnar too! Ragnar can win in 1vs1 with all dds! Even with småland!
Maybe adding another turet can fix it ??
The american solution
Just another turret bro, trust me!
I honestly don't understand why this ship even exists, the Z-49 and Z-52 do the job better than the Z-42 by a mile. They offer better torps, concealment, speed, and guns, when I first heard of this ship I was hoping for something interesting but no, sadly not
It's Zed PQ! ZED! XD
Nein! Es heißt Zett! Zett! Zett zweiundvierzig!!! (z = ts)
Too bad this ship was nerfed into the ground
Z42 had the makings of a very exciting ship. WG: Hold my beer. Can't have that. Nerf into oblivion and make useless. I really wanted this ship until WG started to hurt it. Rather than tweaking it a little, they batter it.
What did they do to it?
1:13 Without the flags we end up at 5% fire chance.
it looks like a germen harugumo lol
"Shotgunning subs isnt a problem in wows"
Right
I probably don't want this ship. Thanks for the review. That dd is not my playstyle.
Södermanland? wth is that 😳
So, basically British DD but with German skin
Basically Z-35 with 5 --> 6km Hydro, higher DPM and engine boost as well as "better" AA and better topps (6-10 km) traded for less Pen (32-->26 mm) and being T8 --> T10
I got it. I have not used it yet. No time with work. Plus I hate subs, superships, and CVs. So t10 games are not a regular thing for me anymore.
I have the base reload down to 4 seconds. I am running the Hydro module and Grease the Gears. I am considering also using the Turret Rotation module, currently using the -7% dispersion module. Gotta play a few games before deciding. I am using the Adrenaline Rush and the 4pt Brawler skill (detected bonus to reload), trying to get the gun output set up for fighting DDs and closer ranged fights (ie at caps or in the end game).
Just my initial thought, Vampire II might be the better option. I'll figure it out once I play a good ten or so games. I really enjoy Vampire II.
On a side note: Submarines are such bullshit it's ruined the game for me. When they're added to ranked I will be down to Clan Battles being the main mode I play.
If subs get added to CBs I will be leaving the game. WarGaming can kiss my ass.
EDIT
After five games I have decided I am not going to try and kill DDs like a DD hunter. The guns hit hard, the AP anyway. The Hydro is nice with the short burst smokes, but the dpm isn't enough to make up for the clumsy maneuverability (for me) and the fact everything has radar or hydro so the smokes were not helping me.
I'm switching to IFE and Main Battery Specialist. I'll play outside and work my way in.
I got Cv focused twice and averaged 22 planes a game. Not sure if that's good or bad, but I think I did ok.
I think it would have been better if nerf the torpedo and burf the main gun a little more.
Current performance is more like a coal ship than a steel ship
Give up superintendent and try full gun boat build with fearless browler for max dpm and grease the gears maybe!
PQ, I see you have 250 ships: If you played one each for a FULL match in Random, that'd be 5,000 minutes of your life gone (& probably your sanity too)
Signed:
A player with not even 100 ships lol
So lets review: poor concealment (compared to the tech tree), smaller/worse guns (low fire chance, slow rotation), no heal, low torpedo damage....you played very well, yet a tier 8 tech tree submarine did better....
Instead of using real type 39 destroyers...
Looking at the encounter with that sub there im glad i left this game for good. It atleast hasnt been going to better since my leaving.
Who asked
@@olafmesschendorp147 I asked
@@olafmesschendorp147 so what?
@@olafmesschendorp147 I would say your mom but she already knows...ok that was bad one.
close encounters, that might be the counter. that turret traverse speed looks atrocious
The Z-42 is worse than the Z-52 in every single way except it has 10% better DPM....which is completely negated by having worse shell arcs, much worse turret traverse, and HE not penning 32mm. The audacity to charge steel for a boat that is objectively worse than its tech tree counterpart and offers no playstyle difference is insane.
You're on crack if you think Z-52 is better than Z-42. Z-42's guns can pen 32mm if you take IFHE and the AP shreds DDs due to its low arming threshold of 18mm. Also, Z-42's short burst smoke is WAY better than Z-52's garbage smoke generator because it allows Z-42 to effectively farm ships and reposition quickly if needed.
This ship is a waste of Steel. Just stick with the Z-52.
Thanks
I liked the original idea of it. A DD knife fighter that could hold its own with the likes of Smaland/Daring/Vampire but have monsterous AP that makes showing broadside terrifying in a dual. They definitely overnerfed it.
I have almost every tier X dd in the game (ragnar) and Z-42 is already one of my favorites. The ONLY thing I fear in her is Smaland. It murders everything else. The Hydro trap, insane ap against DD's and short burst smokes are a VERY powerful combo when utilized correctly.
Fr this was a waste i should have gotten yoshino
Gameplay of this review is useless. Play a few with a couple radar ships and the CV sitting on you all game long.
The way you deal with this thing is so simple! Just wait for his smoke to be vanished! Wait with your kleber Marceau Daring then z42 don't have the dpm or the hp to keep up! This ship need baff at least 50.000 HE dpm
Another bs sub shotgun kill lol
For steel not worth. Expensive resource
I hate slow turrets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This things garbage. Don't waste your steel
The 2nd match is exactly why subs are such a trash class.
you talk to much
Ehm why so negative?
Don't watch the video then 🤡
to address the two replies: 1st - why so negative - because I can be. No one will ever change that. 2nd - why watch - for all his carrying on there is still some good info. Just have to click around the video to find info I want and not all the fluff.
I disagree, i like him talking
@@NoName-wi8xz Ok, thats you