I don't think Simon and Martina are slut shaming Hyuna. They do not have anything against Hyuna but they do have something against the way her image is presented and give a thoughtful critique of how much control she has over it. Slut shame is to judge someone based on their sexual expression. But what they are pointing out is that Hyuna is not in control of her image - her company (made up of middle aged men) are the ones telling her to do all these moves. So you have to really wonder if she is exercising sexual freedom or if she is a puppet in all this. Note how in every Troublemaker choreo/photobook, despite their sexual image, Hyuna is the only one being touched or spreading her legs in short shorts. Hyunseung is fully clothed and doesn't have to do so much as a hip thrust. So while I don't object Hyuna being turned into a object for sexual fantasy, I have to wonder if she really enjoys her image while the other half of the duo gets a free pass.
The problem is the way they expressed it. First they go like "oh we dont slut shame!!!" But then 1 min they are totally doing it. They still compared her/ related her to a stripper etc. They could have simply said that its sad that Hyuna is being overly sexualized and that they prefer a different kind of "sexy" but they really did say stuff that wasnt ok. Simple as that.
ND445 if u were actually focus on what they talking about, they were criticizing her role in the video. No kickass sexy spy but just too stripping. Like her comparison to Jacob, took off shirt once is good, but spending 90% of the time being overly sexualized is kinda sad bc why can't see just be sexy without all the unnecessary poses. Like they even compare the scene of the man to the woman, he just sit there and making sexy faces while she crawls and doing all unnecessary poses
This is why I'm not a huge fan of female groups or artists. They're portrayed as too sexy most of the time or it just downright looks silly. But, there are some groups that reach a comfortable level. For example, *f(x)*. F(x) is sexy in a good way and not over the top; in my opinion, their MVs are more like how a male group's MV is treated. That is, to look good and dance well. And *Orange Caramel*, they have a continuously cute theme that can be silly and attractive at the same time. And their videos are downright fun to watch. I also like the addition of *Amber's* style. She isn't forced to wear skirts and dresses. She has a very tomboyish style and that is implemented into f(x)'s videos for her. I think it's the same for the others, as well. They all wear very different outfits and it's fun to see the things they come up with. But don't go hating on me with, "Oh, SNSD is the best group ever!" or "CL is queen!" or something like that. *I understand that other girl groups are loved as well and there is definitely nothing wrong with that.* All I'm saying is, it might be a bit too sexy for my tastes and probably others.
***** Maybe you have a different definition of sexy than I do. Have you seen their videos? It's not my style and I feel they may be flaunting their bodies too much. The music is good, but watching the dances makes me feel they aren't... like SM isn't treating them how they should be. My point is, why does SM make GG sexualized when they can focus on promoting their music, not bodies? Someone who is a dedicated fan to SNSD might take my opinions the wrong way. People tend to defend their favorite groups blindedly. I don't want that to happen, but I'm sure it will.
SpiritWolf compared to other girl groups no they are not. Sistar, aoa, damn near every girl group goes over board with the sexy. Snsd is not one of them. You don't see them twerking in front of the camera and spread their legs like they're in a porno, do you? No. They have nice bodies but at least they no what it means to use it tastefully and not in a trashy way.
These kinds of MVs make me uncomfortable so I tend to avoid those kinds of things and just listen to the audio if I like the song. I really wish girl groups had less super sexy choreo and more actual dancing. I follow more boy groups since I like their choreo and yes, I know they are also sexualized with crotch grabs and what not. But they don't do it all the time or the camera doesn't always zoom in on their crotch, and if they do, I look away, so don't hate on me saying I'm biased towards boys. It's just that male groups seem to have cooler choreo. Unfortunately, industry says that sex sells v.v
Surely everyone knew by now that if you say something negative about a kpop artist you'll have thousands of fans coming to you wanting your head. Personally I have no problem with Simon and Martina's opinions on the video because that is all it is: an opinion. People need to get over the fact they have a creative freedom and can express themselves however they want.
and she also said that this is just how Hyuna is being marketed, and how Martina said she doesn't think it's fair that people are calling her a slut and a skank. I don't know where you got what you said... I'm assuming you just misunderstood, and I can't really attack you for that. So please stop calling Martina a misogynist, because she's really not. You're not perfect either.
I love how you guys want to preserve the singer/dancer reputation :) because it is true , this just takes me back to the ideal Ursula character who tells Ariel use your body to get stuff :0
I hope Simon&Martina know that their loyal fanbase never get mad at them even if they make fun of our favourite artist. We understand their point of view, we also agree with them many times & we are entertained by them. I personally freaking love their videos,They are able to make me laugh on a hard day & to make me feel better when I feel gloomy. Im very thankful to Simon&Martina & I know that a bunch of ppl. feel the same way. I wish they stay the way they are because we like them like this.
Hyuna's a real inspiration and if you have not seen all her sacrifices, you're missing out. Hyuna will never get replaced, she debuted for 3 years, and till now she has not been replaced.
you are the best in reviewing kpop MV simon&martina...i know sometimes, what they said its little bit harsh, but i think all of them its true..so,kpop fans stop being delusional and protect your bias though you already know what they said is 100% true...at first i feel slightly mad when they criticize my bias, but after that, i realized they just being honest...well, everyone have their own opinion..btw, i really respect them..congratz simon&martina..this is the best Music Monday ever.
I know this is kinda late since it's been pretty much an entire week, but I wanna thank you for this video, and your last video with Hyuna. You guys made it easy to laugh at and gave me the idea that I wasn't alone on my views. I used to be so disturbed by Hyuna, that I couldn't watch because I would end up in tears at the end(don't ask why, it just happened somehow). After watching your video, I'm able to watch comfortably and laughing. Thank you, and I hope to see more of your videos.
I absolutely love u guys for being 100% honest about your opinions and putting it out there! And these things should totally be said out loud like this! Good on you guys ;)
@soosoo4yoo In an interview. I forgot where it is but it's true she said that. She prefers being in 4minute. You can also see during the MAMA, she didn't look that happy receiving the awards. Also, I'm worried what's Cube doing to Hyunah. They're overworking her. Right now, she lost a lot of weight and I heard she suffers from insomnia too. I swear, one of these days, she'll faint or something.
@sheix0 It was supposed to sound wrong. I like IU (oops I called her UI above), she is a very good singer and good with arrangements too, but it's the "hidden messages" of her songs which make her so successful, more than her talents. Lots of older men want to think it's okay to like young girls, and I think it's okay too, up to a point; but IU (who looks young and acts young) nearly crosses the line here, with the time machine needed because the couple "can't be together" - due to the age gap.
@sheix0 Ha, true! I think we're in agreement here. My extra thing is I don't want to add to the popularity of artists like IU when they release material like this because it just encourages other people to release similar things. But I'm a tiny insect compared to the target audience (the old men). This is a strange place to being having a discussion about IU, but I'm glad we are.
What you say is all true, but I love their chemistry. The video is pure eye candy; a guilty pleasure. You guys are hilarious. I like how you point out the details that get glossed over in this vid.
Very well done review. Love how unbiased and accurate you guys are. You guys see way more details than I do everytime u do a review for a music video even though I have not watched this.
@MsDarkGray they commented on how they liked the song and hyunseung's little dance part that was sort of thriller-esque. no hate on hyuna, just her company and how they are portraying her now.
Before CUBE used to be a branch from JYP, but then they separated. The director from the Cube since like 2008 become a SOLO owner (maybe with some shareholders), and because alot of trainees under Cube... they stayed with the company.
I seriously started to tear up when you guys were talking about how Hyuna can do better. I love watching her dance, and the little bit of singing I've heard from her is really good, but her solo career has never given her the chance to really show either of those. It makes me sad because anti fans call her a slut, they songs she gets don't show off her vocals, the dancing she does doesn't show off her skill. If things keep going this way she won't be around much longer, and I don't like that. =(
@hershey504 ok, i worded it wrong... she isn't forced, bu ti mean she gets paid so she needs to give it her all... but i guess we have quite different opinions... because honestly i LOVED her cute and innocent concepts... and i know many people did too
Hyuna and the people behind her career did a great job, the popularity that they were aiming was a success. with those millions and millions of views and large profits. and you would just say that it was "SILLY!?". you must be joking. Your personal likes have nothing to do with Hyuna's career and choices. Be open-minded, in general it was something like "Catchy" "Out of the ordinary" and "Unique". Hyuna doing something different compared to usual kpop is a talent. a TALENT.
totally agree... confindent sexiness is waaayy better, its really cool!!! i really hope cube will realize the different between sexy and trashy and hyuna's fans will always be her fans to support her hope the best for her^^
@MissSimpleBitches Though we don't know her real personality, you ought to check her out in variety shows. It isn't the entire real her (of course, it's a show, she has an image to care for), but her personality there hints a drastic difference in her image. And yes, she can choose her image, but if for instance, your boss tells you "it's best for you", then won't you do it? Well you may not. But she may have. We don't know the truth. Which shows why some are upset with your initial conclusions.
It could be they wanted her to rest and but still have a chance to be an idol, and since the 2 companies are like sisters, they transferred her there since 4minute was training, so Hyuna could join. If she left Wonder Girls and came back after 2 years, it would be kinda weird, and since woner girls would need a new rapper it would be mean to pull out yubin after hyuna has recovered and ready....
So, all in all, thanks for this video which'll hopefully make more aware of the fair criticism you had. Oh, and additionally, I daresay that Spudgy looked way classier on that armchair than anybody else could. He's so adorable! :)
@Mypinkyrulez I suppose. Though I was more trying to point out the fact that in kPop, the guys are constantly and always praised for being hot or sexy or something, regardless of what they're wearing, yet the girls get bashed quite a bit. Now, I've seen kpop fans (not Simon and Martina), flat out say they dislike a group JUST because they think the group is "ugly". Some of them are just so shallow, it makes me not want to be a part of anything related to kpop.
I actually like the video and Hyuna, but you guys make valid points. I also like how you pointed out that calling her a slut is unfair, and that it's really more the role that her company is making her play. If only more people thought like you guys. Nice work!
I totally agree with you guys, Hyuna is such a great performer, she transforms on stage, really fierce, she doesn't need to sell her body to that point, poor management tbh
(2) She is really nice and cute, and headstrong as well. I wish they'd showcase more of who she really is, and not what she HAS to be. "Change" was really good and possibly the only one I can watch and not be turned off by dance moves that show boob popping, bump grinding, and things along the line of giving someone a lap dance. Cube Entertainment, PLEASE showcase Hyuna more as a really strong woman, and not someone who is willing to throw her body away!!!
i respect simon and martina and how honest they are but damn,,, their brutally honest, it kind of hurts my feeling sometimes like if i was a huge fan of hyuna i'd probably be ready to curse them out but seriously i can respect honesty i just hate when people say bad things
@Hoyhhh That seriously was not what I meant, lol. I was just responding to the comment that brought up Hyuna's "amazing vocals." I agree she's a great dancer so I never denied once that she's a talented entertainer and she always stood out in 4minute anyways. I just don't know where to put the standard on "too much sexy" because I tend to compare it to male KPOP idols who solo do a lot of the actions she does
@DaCeiZation gotta agree with you on this i mean did u see ga-in and jo kwons performance of this song?? i mean ga-in doesn't even try to be sexy she just is and that's why no one is bashing ga-in as they do hyuna and of course BEG is just well no one can come close to their sexiness but i mean yes age does help them because they can be sexy but still keep it classy.
@RomyLikezCuppycakes Actually, that's pretty common in music videos. Impassive, cool acting males especially when it comes to being a spy. Hyunah had no emotion aswell, but then again she was a spy too.
i agree , when hyuna when go on variety shows (such as running man) she is completely different and to be honest , if anyone notice , cube present their idols with a sexy image , soo people shouldn't hate hyuna (nor hate cube) and it's unfair to call hyuna a sult when she never agreed to that name tag .
@Verris54321 yeah but everyone has an accent. im pretty sure they really tried but sometimes it just doesnt work out. i think the song is good too and i understood every time they said "trouble maker" without a problem. i just think Simon is a little too strict.
@pacwomanz go ask cube ent.! Hyuna don't make all the decisions. practically none. So just watch the video at the positive side and see how much effort and hard work she had put in!!
To be honest, HyunA is actually a really cute and nice girl in real life. All this from Bubble Pop and Troublemaker is just an act, that's all. It's obviously not the real her because if you've seen her in variety shows, she's actually really sweet. So don't just judge her by the way she looks and acts on MVs and such and actually take the time to get to know her first. :)
I totally agree with this.The song is really good.I have it on my phone but i can't bring myself to watch the mv again.It makes me feel uncomfortable,even the first time i watched i kept turning my eyes away from the screen
The points u made were very true and u totally spot out the things i wanted to say! thank u sooo much! i love hyuna's dance moves and she can be very sexy but not in the way it is shown in bubble pop and in troublemaker. I believe its not hyuna's fault too :)
@KibahinaxSasuino yeah i know haha i realized that after i posted it and yes i did expect them to get a 4/5. its just an accent its not like u had no clue what they were saying at all. if u can understand what theyre saying then it shouldnt have been that serious
@sheix0 Yeah, that's true. I suppose you could see it as a good thing, too, that the message is subtle enough for girls and younger men to like IU as well. I'll still stick with my interpretation of the subtext of the video.
I totally agree with your points about Hyuna. I loved JS's dance break, and his closeups were all confident and sexy, but not overtly sexual. Hyuna, on the other hand, sort of ruined the video for me. When she first came out with Change I actually respected her for knowing she was sexy and using that to bolster her stage presence. But now, I feel like she's gone too far down that path, especially in Mirror Mirror...
@lAdyVeRtEbRaE I just wanted to add that giving opinions out isn't a crime, either. Everyone criticizes when they're seeing a video, whether they tell others or not. All they're doing is sharing their opinions. It's like how readers give reviews about books. Of course there's a slim chance of the author actually reading their criticism, but honestly, I don't see the harm in reviewing something. It doesn't matter if it's their place or not - like I said before, everyone does it.
@NaClua thats pretty much exactly what simon and martina are saying. They said that the way HyunA is in this video doesnt necessarily reflect how she is in real life.
Simon and Martina................. thanks for this review................... I will not watch the MV and only listened to it only......................
@MsDarkGray They did talk about Hyunseung, and they weren't at all being hateful towards Hyuna. What they were trying to get people to realize that yes, Hyuna is talented, but how is that going to be seen when all her company does is flaunt her sexuality for everyone to see? They said nothing hateful about her at all.
UI's time travel concept is that it's okay for grown men to like little girls because little girls like grown men too! They (little girls) can't wait until they grow up, and can be together with their mature admirers! The time travel is just there to speed the process along so we don't have to sit through all that waiting to be old enough. There's a young man in the video but he is just a decoy, don't be fooled. Perhaps he represents the "self perception" of the mature admirer.
hyuna is so talented and an amazing rapper!!! its not her fault, blame it on her company. if you see her on vareity shows, she actually has a really cute personality!
I vote for T-ara Bo Peep. Btw, though I feel pity for HyunA because she wasn't a bit like this offscreen. She was so much bubblier, like any other young adult. But I totally agree with every single word you guys said. Sexiness portrayed in a wrong way.
F1RST - MA MA MY can you guys do them next?? i love the fact that their girl/guy collab group and they deserve more credit than they get... besides that song is super catchy!! lol
Thank you. I find it annoying when some ppl (remember I said "some") blame everyone else BUT the idol. Not saying the idol should get all the blame but it seems a bit unfair. For eg. if a groups' outfit looks weird/awkward the stylist is automatically at fault. It's not like the stylist physically forced the group to wear the clothes. Or like how some ppl blame the company/entertainment for the idols' actions.
Im totally on the same page with you guys on the whole hyuna thing. This weeks show down im gonna have to go with T-ara. I've seen Bo peep before but not that version i never knew there was such a version. They were making out like every five seconds!!!! omg i was so surprised.
i completely agree, like, look at the song for ice cream for hyuna - it's getting lots of views true, but it's all - sexy, and not really praising her for her actual talents. The crew or company whatever for her are over selling her and it's getting frustrating >:L. even many forget that Hyuna is in a group - just today, i saw a comment saying "like a girls group Hyuna"
@oyeparcero Wow, thanks. I agree with you so much. I brought this up earlier and people told me male KPOP idols weren't being "submissive" by thrusting and removing their shirts for a -most of them are- female audience. Apparently, that is being dominant.
@LuvBytes07 I'm aware that the public is sexist, but I don't think eatyourkimchi is doing anything to counter this, instead they go along with it. They bash Hyuna for displaying her sexuality, saying it makes her look like a cheap, replaceable stripper, but when male artists do the same thing they praise them for it. They say Hyuna is catering to "pervs", but what exactly is Jaejoong doing when he walks around topless? Telling her to stop is addressing the consequences, not the actual issue.
...why are people bashing Simon & Martina in the comments? Watch their video again and really listen to what they're saying. They're not bashing Hyuna at all, they're trying to get the point across that it's silly that her company is forcing her to be overly sexy to the point of it looking ridiculous. She is a beautiful and talented girl and it's such a shame that her company instead chooses to put a spotlight solely on her "assets".
I applaud you for saying this; it's exactly what I wanted to say. Slut shaming is so heavily imbedded within people, even subconsciously, that they think that they're not slut shaming, but in fact, they are. "The only talents she's showing are those of a stripper." Yes, because people who are working in the industry of sex work are subhuman beings, and that the title of being a stripper gets to be used as a crude joke. Gosh I had many problems with this review.
you are wrong about the "only English word is 'troublemaker'" part. I just saw the live version of this song, and the lyrics in the bottom corner suddenly said "I never never stop" :)
Well, I am waiting to hear these comments that I voted it. These things gotta be said by a popular ones like you guys that ppl would notice. Thank you so much!
for people who think they are blaming hyuna entirely, you need to watch the video again. They are blaming the management!! I agree with them. Honestly, I'm sure she's a wonderful dancer.. and I like her catchy songs and stuff.. but watching her music videos makes me feel uncomfortable.
They've said many times that it's all in good fun, and they're entitled to their opinion. If it's not the same as yours, too bad. You don't have to watch them anymore. Calling them stupid is just redundant, letting all of us calling you an idiot, because you have an opinion too.
![[고화질] 유스케 레전드! 트러블 메이커(TroubleMaker) 현아(HyunA), 장현승(140801) by 플레이버튼](/img/n.gif)
Oh my god people use your ears they were blaming Hyuna's MANAGEMENT. NOT HYUNA.
I don't think Simon and Martina are slut shaming Hyuna. They do not have anything against Hyuna but they do have something against the way her image is presented and give a thoughtful critique of how much control she has over it.
Slut shame is to judge someone based on their sexual expression. But what they are pointing out is that Hyuna is not in control of her image - her company (made up of middle aged men) are the ones telling her to do all these moves. So you have to really wonder if she is exercising sexual freedom or if she is a puppet in all this.
Note how in every Troublemaker choreo/photobook, despite their sexual image, Hyuna is the only one being touched or spreading her legs in short shorts. Hyunseung is fully clothed and doesn't have to do so much as a hip thrust. So while I don't object Hyuna being turned into a object for sexual fantasy, I have to wonder if she really enjoys her image while the other half of the duo gets a free pass.
The problem is the way they expressed it. First they go like "oh we dont slut shame!!!" But then 1 min they are totally doing it. They still compared her/ related her to a stripper etc.
They could have simply said that its sad that Hyuna is being overly sexualized and that they prefer a different kind of "sexy" but they really did say stuff that wasnt ok. Simple as that.
NanatsuChan 5:00 - 6:00
ND445 if u were actually focus on what they talking about, they were criticizing her role in the video. No kickass sexy spy but just too stripping. Like her comparison to Jacob, took off shirt once is good, but spending 90% of the time being overly sexualized is kinda sad bc why can't see just be sexy without all the unnecessary poses. Like they even compare the scene of the man to the woman, he just sit there and making sexy faces while she crawls and doing all unnecessary poses
This is why I'm not a huge fan of female groups or artists. They're portrayed as too sexy most of the time or it just downright looks silly. But, there are some groups that reach a comfortable level. For example, *f(x)*. F(x) is sexy in a good way and not over the top; in my opinion, their MVs are more like how a male group's MV is treated. That is, to look good and dance well. And *Orange Caramel*, they have a continuously cute theme that can be silly and attractive at the same time. And their videos are downright fun to watch.
I also like the addition of *Amber's* style. She isn't forced to wear skirts and dresses. She has a very tomboyish style and that is implemented into f(x)'s videos for her. I think it's the same for the others, as well. They all wear very different outfits and it's fun to see the things they come up with.
But don't go hating on me with, "Oh, SNSD is the best group ever!" or "CL is queen!" or something like that. *I understand that other girl groups are loved as well and there is definitely nothing wrong with that.* All I'm saying is, it might be a bit too sexy for my tastes and probably others.
ColorfulMusicNeko I don't see how GG is overly sexy or sexy at all though. Why would I be offended?
***** Maybe you have a different definition of sexy than I do. Have you seen their videos? It's not my style and I feel they may be flaunting their bodies too much. The music is good, but watching the dances makes me feel they aren't... like SM isn't treating them how they should be. My point is, why does SM make GG sexualized when they can focus on promoting their music, not bodies?
Someone who is a dedicated fan to SNSD might take my opinions the wrong way. People tend to defend their favorite groups blindedly. I don't want that to happen, but I'm sure it will.
Both Boygroups and Girlgroups are sexualized in kpop. Some more and some less.
SpiritWolf compared to other girl groups no they are not. Sistar, aoa, damn near every girl group goes over board with the sexy. Snsd is not one of them. You don't see them twerking in front of the camera and spread their legs like they're in a porno, do you? No. They have nice bodies but at least they no what it means to use it tastefully and not in a trashy way.
***** and that's what I'm talking about. Tasteful sexy. Red velvet, fx, and SNSD are tasteful sexy.
Oh the virgin days of kpop.
i completely agree with martina.
These kinds of MVs make me uncomfortable so I tend to avoid those kinds of things and just listen to the audio if I like the song. I really wish girl groups had less super sexy choreo and more actual dancing. I follow more boy groups since I like their choreo and yes, I know they are also sexualized with crotch grabs and what not. But they don't do it all the time or the camera doesn't always zoom in on their crotch, and if they do, I look away, so don't hate on me saying I'm biased towards boys. It's just that male groups seem to have cooler choreo. Unfortunately, industry says that sex sells v.v
Surely everyone knew by now that if you say something negative about a kpop artist you'll have thousands of fans coming to you wanting your head.
Personally I have no problem with Simon and Martina's opinions on the video because that is all it is: an opinion. People need to get over the fact they have a creative freedom and can express themselves however they want.
and she also said that this is just how Hyuna is being marketed, and how Martina said she doesn't think it's fair that people are calling her a slut and a skank. I don't know where you got what you said... I'm assuming you just misunderstood, and I can't really attack you for that. So please stop calling Martina a misogynist, because she's really not. You're not perfect either.
I love how you guys want to preserve the singer/dancer reputation :) because it is true , this just takes me back to the ideal Ursula character who tells Ariel use your body to get stuff :0
I hope Simon&Martina know that their loyal fanbase never get mad at them even if they make fun of our favourite artist. We understand their point of view, we also agree with them many times & we are entertained by them. I personally freaking love their videos,They are able to make me laugh on a hard day & to make me feel better when I feel gloomy. Im very thankful to Simon&Martina & I know that a bunch of ppl. feel the same way. I wish they stay the way they are because we like them like this.
I loved Hyuna before...the agency is stupid and killing her talent
They should do a review of Infinite's "Troublemaker" performance ^_^
+Kotani Mikan I second that
Have you seen the pic he took when he kissed her 0:
Hyuna's a real inspiration and if you have not seen all her sacrifices, you're missing out. Hyuna will never get replaced, she debuted for 3 years, and till now she has not been replaced.
you are the best in reviewing kpop MV simon&martina...i know sometimes, what they said its little bit harsh, but i think all of them its true..so,kpop fans stop being delusional and protect your bias though you already know what they said is 100% true...at first i feel slightly mad when they criticize my bias, but after that, i realized they just being honest...well, everyone have their own opinion..btw, i really respect them..congratz simon&martina..this is the best Music Monday ever.
I totally agree on them
hahahahaha did you just fart ahahahha
Hyuna is overrated.
ur comment is overrated....
Maria Guanica Agree!
Maria Guanica YES!!!!!
I know this is kinda late since it's been pretty much an entire week, but I wanna thank you for this video, and your last video with Hyuna. You guys made it easy to laugh at and gave me the idea that I wasn't alone on my views. I used to be so disturbed by Hyuna, that I couldn't watch because I would end up in tears at the end(don't ask why, it just happened somehow). After watching your video, I'm able to watch comfortably and laughing. Thank you, and I hope to see more of your videos.
btw, i can explain the low angle camera. Its done to make Hyuna's legs look longer, which is also the point of the short short dress
Chubble Maker cx
I absolutely love u guys for being 100% honest about your opinions and putting it out there! And these things should totally be said out loud like this! Good on you guys ;)
@soosoo4yoo In an interview. I forgot where it is but it's true she said that. She prefers being in 4minute. You can also see during the MAMA, she didn't look that happy receiving the awards.
Also, I'm worried what's Cube doing to Hyunah. They're overworking her. Right now, she lost a lot of weight and I heard she suffers from insomnia too. I swear, one of these days, she'll faint or something.
@sheix0 It was supposed to sound wrong. I like IU (oops I called her UI above), she is a very good singer and good with arrangements too, but it's the "hidden messages" of her songs which make her so successful, more than her talents. Lots of older men want to think it's okay to like young girls, and I think it's okay too, up to a point; but IU (who looks young and acts young) nearly crosses the line here, with the time machine needed because the couple "can't be together" - due to the age gap.
@sheix0 Ha, true! I think we're in agreement here. My extra thing is I don't want to add to the popularity of artists like IU when they release material like this because it just encourages other people to release similar things. But I'm a tiny insect compared to the target audience (the old men).
This is a strange place to being having a discussion about IU, but I'm glad we are.
What you say is all true, but I love their chemistry. The video is pure eye candy; a guilty pleasure. You guys are hilarious. I like how you point out the details that get glossed over in this vid.
Very well done review. Love how unbiased and accurate you guys are. You guys see way more details than I do everytime u do a review for a music video even though I have not watched this.
@MsDarkGray they commented on how they liked the song and hyunseung's little dance part that was sort of thriller-esque. no hate on hyuna, just her company and how they are portraying her now.
Before CUBE used to be a branch from JYP, but then they separated. The director from the Cube since like 2008 become a SOLO owner (maybe with some shareholders), and because alot of trainees under Cube... they stayed with the company.
I seriously started to tear up when you guys were talking about how Hyuna can do better. I love watching her dance, and the little bit of singing I've heard from her is really good, but her solo career has never given her the chance to really show either of those. It makes me sad because anti fans call her a slut, they songs she gets don't show off her vocals, the dancing she does doesn't show off her skill. If things keep going this way she won't be around much longer, and I don't like that. =(
I kinda agree with S&M there are so many other was the director could've gone with Hyuna but the just did this and it was kinda disappointing.
i think they might've ditched JS in the video because he is 'featured' in the song. i'm not sure, but you actually have an interesting point.
@hershey504 ok, i worded it wrong... she isn't forced, bu ti mean she gets paid so she needs to give it her all... but i guess we have quite different opinions... because honestly i LOVED her cute and innocent concepts... and i know many people did too
anyone noticed, is that like a bubble on the right side of the vid sometime around 4:30~
Hyuna and the people behind her career did a great job, the popularity that they were aiming was a success. with those millions and millions of views and large profits. and you would just say that it was "SILLY!?". you must be joking. Your personal likes have nothing to do with Hyuna's career and choices. Be open-minded, in general it was something like "Catchy" "Out of the ordinary" and "Unique". Hyuna doing something different compared to usual kpop is a talent. a TALENT.
totally agree... confindent sexiness is waaayy better, its really cool!!! i really hope cube will realize the different between sexy and trashy and hyuna's fans will always be her fans to support her
hope the best for her^^
@MissSimpleBitches Though we don't know her real personality, you ought to check her out in variety shows. It isn't the entire real her (of course, it's a show, she has an image to care for), but her personality there hints a drastic difference in her image. And yes, she can choose her image, but if for instance, your boss tells you "it's best for you", then won't you do it? Well you may not. But she may have. We don't know the truth. Which shows why some are upset with your initial conclusions.
Totally agreed! CUBE ent needs to see this. Fell in luv with Hyuna in Change but thereafter, it was a slippery slope..
OH MY GOD, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SOMEBODY WITH THE SAME OPINION, OMFG, THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU. SO MUCH LOVE FOR SIMON AND MARTINA
It could be they wanted her to rest and but still have a chance to be an idol, and since the 2 companies are like sisters, they transferred her there since 4minute was training, so Hyuna could join. If she left Wonder Girls and came back after 2 years, it would be kinda weird, and since woner girls would need a new rapper it would be mean to pull out yubin after hyuna has recovered and ready....
So, all in all, thanks for this video which'll hopefully make more aware of the fair criticism you had.
Oh, and additionally, I daresay that Spudgy looked way classier on that armchair than anybody else could. He's so adorable! :)
@xMoonlitRose yeah me too because people are so freaking mean to her for no reason.
@Mypinkyrulez I suppose. Though I was more trying to point out the fact that in kPop, the guys are constantly and always praised for being hot or sexy or something, regardless of what they're wearing, yet the girls get bashed quite a bit.
Now, I've seen kpop fans (not Simon and Martina), flat out say they dislike a group JUST because they think the group is "ugly". Some of them are just so shallow, it makes me not want to be a part of anything related to kpop.
I actually like the video and Hyuna, but you guys make valid points. I also like how you pointed out that calling her a slut is unfair, and that it's really more the role that her company is making her play. If only more people thought like you guys. Nice work!
I totally agree with you guys, Hyuna is such a great performer, she transforms on stage, really fierce, she doesn't need to sell her body to that point, poor management tbh
(2) She is really nice and cute, and headstrong as well. I wish they'd showcase more of who she really is, and not what she HAS to be. "Change" was really good and possibly the only one I can watch and not be turned off by dance moves that show boob popping, bump grinding, and things along the line of giving someone a lap dance. Cube Entertainment, PLEASE showcase Hyuna more as a really strong woman, and not someone who is willing to throw her body away!!!
i respect simon and martina and how honest they are but damn,,, their brutally honest, it kind of hurts my feeling sometimes like if i was a huge fan of hyuna i'd probably be ready to curse them out but seriously i can respect honesty i just hate when people say bad things
love how you two handle some delicate topics in k pop videos
@Hoyhhh That seriously was not what I meant, lol. I was just responding to the comment that brought up Hyuna's "amazing vocals." I agree she's a great dancer so I never denied once that she's a talented entertainer and she always stood out in 4minute anyways. I just don't know where to put the standard on "too much sexy" because I tend to compare it to male KPOP idols who solo do a lot of the actions she does
@nabittio That's his nickname in Trouble Maker. It says "JS & Hyuna" on the album cover.
@DaCeiZation gotta agree with you on this i mean did u see ga-in and jo kwons performance of this song?? i mean ga-in doesn't even try to be sexy she just is and that's why no one is bashing ga-in as they do hyuna and of course BEG is just well no one can come close to their sexiness but i mean yes age does help them because they can be sexy but still keep it classy.
@RomyLikezCuppycakes Actually, that's pretty common in music videos. Impassive, cool acting males especially when it comes to being a spy. Hyunah had no emotion aswell, but then again she was a spy too.
Why is all of 4Minute's Volume Up video an ad on this? Or am I the only one getting it?
OMG You guys got it spot on! Took all the words out of my mouth *my mouth is not opened wide like Hyuna's*
i agree , when hyuna when go on variety shows (such as running man) she is completely different and to be honest , if anyone notice , cube present their idols with a sexy image , soo people shouldn't hate hyuna (nor hate cube) and it's unfair to call hyuna a sult when she never agreed to that name tag .
@Verris54321 yeah but everyone has an accent. im pretty sure they really tried but sometimes it just doesnt work out. i think the song is good too and i understood every time they said "trouble maker" without a problem. i just think Simon is a little too strict.
@pacwomanz go ask cube ent.! Hyuna don't make all the decisions. practically none. So just watch the video at the positive side and see how much effort and hard work she had put in!!
To be honest, HyunA is actually a really cute and nice girl in real life. All this from Bubble Pop and Troublemaker is just an act, that's all. It's obviously not the real her because if you've seen her in variety shows, she's actually really sweet. So don't just judge her by the way she looks and acts on MVs and such and actually take the time to get to know her first. :)
@xMoonlitRose yeah i guess ur right. i just wish he said it nicer :/
I totally agree with this.The song is really good.I have it on my phone but i can't bring myself to watch the mv again.It makes me feel uncomfortable,even the first time i watched i kept turning my eyes away from the screen
The points u made were very true and u totally spot out the things i wanted to say! thank u sooo much! i love hyuna's dance moves and she can be very sexy but not in the way it is shown in bubble pop and in troublemaker. I believe its not hyuna's fault too :)
@KibahinaxSasuino yeah i know haha i realized that after i posted it
and yes i did expect them to get a 4/5. its just an accent its not like u had no clue what they were saying at all. if u can understand what theyre saying then it shouldnt have been that serious
@sheix0 Yeah, that's true. I suppose you could see it as a good thing, too, that the message is subtle enough for girls and younger men to like IU as well. I'll still stick with my interpretation of the subtext of the video.
I totally agree with your points about Hyuna. I loved JS's dance break, and his closeups were all confident and sexy, but not overtly sexual. Hyuna, on the other hand, sort of ruined the video for me. When she first came out with Change I actually respected her for knowing she was sexy and using that to bolster her stage presence. But now, I feel like she's gone too far down that path, especially in Mirror Mirror...
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I just wanted to add that giving opinions out isn't a crime, either. Everyone criticizes when they're seeing a video, whether they tell others or not. All they're doing is sharing their opinions. It's like how readers give reviews about books. Of course there's a slim chance of the author actually reading their criticism, but honestly, I don't see the harm in reviewing something. It doesn't matter if it's their place or not - like I said before, everyone does it.
@NaClua thats pretty much exactly what simon and martina are saying. They said that the way HyunA is in this video doesnt necessarily reflect how she is in real life.
Simon you have AWSOME shirts!! not just this one but most of the shirts that you wear in your videos
Simon and Martina.................
thanks for this review...................
I will not watch the MV and only listened to it only......................
@MsDarkGray They did talk about Hyunseung, and they weren't at all being hateful towards Hyuna. What they were trying to get people to realize that yes, Hyuna is talented, but how is that going to be seen when all her company does is flaunt her sexuality for everyone to see? They said nothing hateful about her at all.
UI's time travel concept is that it's okay for grown men to like little girls because little girls like grown men too! They (little girls) can't wait until they grow up, and can be together with their mature admirers! The time travel is just there to speed the process along so we don't have to sit through all that waiting to be old enough. There's a young man in the video but he is just a decoy, don't be fooled. Perhaps he represents the "self perception" of the mature admirer.
@minttmina Cause that's his name for this unit group js and hyuna it's like kikwang being called aj
one thing i love is how both hyuna videos that were reviewed have a warning at the start >.
hyuna is so talented and an amazing rapper!!! its not her fault, blame it on her company. if you see her on vareity shows, she actually has a really cute personality!
I vote for T-ara Bo Peep.
Btw, though I feel pity for HyunA because she wasn't a bit like this offscreen. She was so much bubblier, like any other young adult. But I totally agree with every single word you guys said. Sexiness portrayed in a wrong way.
@asiannxx89 Actually, I did. When that comment flashed on the screen, I felt kinda bad about it.
F1RST - MA MA MY
can you guys do them next?? i love the fact that their girl/guy collab group and they deserve more credit than they get... besides that song is super catchy!! lol
Thank you. I find it annoying when some ppl (remember I said "some") blame everyone else BUT the idol. Not saying the idol should get all the blame but it seems a bit unfair. For eg. if a groups' outfit looks weird/awkward the stylist is automatically at fault. It's not like the stylist physically forced the group to wear the clothes. Or like how some ppl blame the company/entertainment for the idols' actions.
Actually there is a bit more English in the song. For Hyuna's little rap sorta part she says "sexy" and "skinship"
because his nickname is Jay Stomp --- searched it up.
i didn't know too so yeah...
Im totally on the same page with you guys on the whole hyuna thing. This weeks show down im gonna have to go with T-ara. I've seen Bo peep before but not that version i never knew there was such a version. They were making out like every five seconds!!!! omg i was so surprised.
Yea but that just the inage cube gave her if you watch 4minute variety shows she is actully very cute and inncoent
This was spot on. You guys say what everyone is thinking and put it into a video. Keep it up.
@MissSimpleBitches Cube is a partly under JYP....
i completely agree, like, look at the song for ice cream for hyuna - it's getting lots of views true, but it's all - sexy, and not really praising her for her actual talents. The crew or company whatever for her are over selling her and it's getting frustrating >:L. even many forget that Hyuna is in a group - just today, i saw a comment saying "like a girls group Hyuna"
For the English, what about "I never, never, never stop" the end of the second verse? I think you forgot about that
@oyeparcero Wow, thanks. I agree with you so much. I brought this up earlier and people told me male KPOP idols weren't being "submissive" by thrusting and removing their shirts for a -most of them are- female audience. Apparently, that is being dominant.
JS is his stage name, supposed to stand for Jay Stomp. i lol-ed when i heard that but he made it himself apparently
@LuvBytes07 I'm aware that the public is sexist, but I don't think eatyourkimchi is doing anything to counter this, instead they go along with it. They bash Hyuna for displaying her sexuality, saying it makes her look like a cheap, replaceable stripper, but when male artists do the same thing they praise them for it. They say Hyuna is catering to "pervs", but what exactly is Jaejoong doing when he walks around topless? Telling her to stop is addressing the consequences, not the actual issue.
WOW. THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE KPOP MUSIC MONDAYS VIDEOS EVER. nuff said.
...why are people bashing Simon & Martina in the comments? Watch their video again and really listen to what they're saying. They're not bashing Hyuna at all, they're trying to get the point across that it's silly that her company is forcing her to be overly sexy to the point of it looking ridiculous.
She is a beautiful and talented girl and it's such a shame that her company instead chooses to put a spotlight solely on her "assets".
Man your reviews are so unbiased and reasonable - not to mention funny :)
And I vote for T-ara :)
@xl3rokenRec0rdx because people on tumblr are pissed at them and i wanted to see why, problem?
I applaud you for saying this; it's exactly what I wanted to say.
Slut shaming is so heavily imbedded within people, even subconsciously, that they think that they're not slut shaming, but in fact, they are.
"The only talents she's showing are those of a stripper."
Yes, because people who are working in the industry of sex work are subhuman beings, and that the title of being a stripper gets to be used as a crude joke. Gosh I had many problems with this review.
you are wrong about the "only English word is 'troublemaker'" part. I just saw the live version of this song, and the lyrics in the bottom corner suddenly said "I never never stop" :)
Well, I am waiting to hear these comments that I voted it. These things gotta be said by a popular ones like you guys that ppl would notice.
Thank you so much!
omg, this video made me love you guys even more!
Love Simon's shirt. I wonder where he got it from??
for people who think they are blaming hyuna entirely, you need to watch the video again. They are blaming the management!!
I agree with them. Honestly, I'm sure she's a wonderful dancer.. and I like her catchy songs and stuff.. but watching her music videos makes me feel uncomfortable.
YES ACTUALLY after CHange none of hyuna's songs were songs to i can say "GROASUM" [this is great and awsome] i tottaly agree with you i love you
They've said many times that it's all in good fun, and they're entitled to their opinion. If it's not the same as yours, too bad. You don't have to watch them anymore. Calling them stupid is just redundant, letting all of us calling you an idiot, because you have an opinion too.