Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians etc have lived together for a very long time (in some areas at least) and it's completely natural that their national costumes, their music, their dances will be similar to some extent. I don't understand why some idiots seem to have a problem with this.
this music is very nice and there are simmilarities in greek and turkish music.i am turkish but i love greece and greek people... we must find a way to accept eachother.
@bledalb like it or not fustanella is our traditional cloth.if we have same music ,same habits,same clothes means that we are relatives,we are living together greeks and albanians for thousand years and we still live together in the same villages same cities,we work together....so peace man!!!!we live in 2010.NO NATIONALISM,NO RACISM-BALKAN NATIONS SHOULD BE UNITED.
@dimired1 All this culture, is almost the same in the Balkans because we were approximately 400 years under Turkish occupation. We gave and took characteristics from them. if you have ever noticed, the Illyrian Tsamiko is the same with Epirotic Tsamilko. Also Thracian Dances are almost the same with Bulgarian Dances, and some Thessalian Dances or Pontian are almost the same with Turkish. It's not bad to accept that, we as Greeks have almost the same tradition with other Balkanian Peoples.
I agree. Tsamouria is used by chams, from the river kalamas, or thyamis as ancient greeks called it. Thesprotia is the ancient name of the region and it's used by greeks
The word Chamis is a corruption of the name of a river in Epirus called Thamis. Attested in ancient sources. Greeks first, and later Greeks and Albanians have lived in this part of northwestern Greece. It's no wonder that they have similar dances.
it's identical to an epirot's dance , called "syrto sta 3". After living together for hundreds of years,all balkan nations have the evident common heritage.
Third, I know that there were Roman emperors from the various regions including Africa. Forth, I know that Bocari, Bouboulina, Kolokotroni, helped with the liberation of Hellas (Greece is a Roman name), but there were not the only ones, and we are not to attribute the liberation to them. In any event, I think of them as Hellenes of Albanian origin.
Just like the noumerous versions of songs ... there are numerous versions of dances also. We should just enjoy them just the same! With internet and IT , theay are now international. Albania has other most pressing problems to solve!!! than to care about who invented Tsamikos dance.
Look, i know many albanians, that came here in early 90's that have changed names,surnames even religion and pretend to be from the greek minority of northern epirus. The question should be asked to them. Arvanites are a totally different story. Biris has given the title "Arvanites, Dorians of the newer hellenism". I think that this title is representative. I'm happy to have a talk with you!!
The place is just beautiful, with beaches, the canyon of acheron etc... My mother can also speak arvanitika, she can communacate with albanians, although she cannot understand all the words. On the fanari plains, the old acherousia lake, there is the ancient nekromanteion, the oracle of the dead, that homirus describes in Odyseia.
@JonathanGiann even the coffee is not Turkish, it originated in Africa , in Ethiopia , and Kenya to be exact. Through trade the Africans brought it to Yemen, and Egypt, and from there to Greece, Turkey etc.
@JonathanGiann We did not copy from others because we had a very highly developed culture.To a person who knows history,and how human development progressed through the ages will agree with me.There were periods of stagnation, but almost everything has roots in ancient Greece,therefore others copy .It was a slow natural process, that is why people do not notice it right away.Through thousands of years those Greek ideals created the western culture, and thought that spread throughout the world
My mother comes from fanari, preveza if you know. People there speak arvanitika, but have nothing to do with albanians, as they and i claim. The albanians came in the 90's , i still remember how strange was to see hundreds of them passing the borders and hiding from the police...
Glad to know that you are making progress! Sorry, No Albanian yet, but can do English, French, Some German and Greek, naturally. Do not have time to be the police of utube! Got work to do! PEACE :))))
Εκπληκτικός χορός ο Τσάμικος, όχι γιατί είμαι Ηπειρώτισσα αλλά γιατί όπως είπε ο Αλέξης Κωστάλας στους Ολυμπιακούς της Αθήνας, είναι "χορός βαρύς, λεβέντικος αντρικός"... όπως ακριβώς δηλαδή είναι οι Ηπειρώτες!
@JonathanGiann I will tell you one thing, having studied in detail Greek history, and everything else that has to do with the Greek world from antiquity to the present, I cannot find one item that Greeks copy from the Ottoman Turks , even the tsiftetely dance that is common in the Balkans, and the middle east , is Gypsy , and not Turkish. Can you name one thing that we copied from the Turks? maybe there is one that I missed :)
@enkeledi Arbanites are Greek Ipirotans from ancient times , yes some speak both Albanian, and Greek that does not make them Albanian. Some people for example who live close to each other, and interact on a daily basis learn both languages. It is very normal, you could see it in many poliethnic Countries, or cities around the world
Markos Mpotsaris died when he pursued an albanian corps of 4000 thousand albanians , whose chief was also the albanian Mustafa pasa of skodra. Arvanites speak a vocal dialect, unlike albanian which is written language. Ok it sounds albanian(i'm arvanite too). But arvanites used this dialect because it is not as complicated as greek, which needs school to be learned, and far more easier to learn. This dialect has also turkish influence.
@Truejustice100 I suggest to you to go see ancient Greek vases from 600 B.C. and see the fustanela, or Greek kilt painted on those vases. Also there are ancient Greek marble statues depicting warriors, on these statues there is the kilt carved with the pleats identical to the one the evzones wear today.This specific statue is depicting a Greek warrior holding a bow.I had seen other ancient Greek statues with the fustanella . Albanians should accept these facts, nothing wrong to copy from Greeks
@RenaldoNjeshi tsams was powerfull greeks or sometimes turks at 19th century when the greece was ruled by othomans. for your information this dance dancing in greece now days and coming from an ancient war dance(see circle shape). besides when the greeks dancing the albanians was leaving on trees.
Seventh, the great potential of our region is wasted with ethnic in-fighting ... back than as now (blame it on the Great Powers!). BTW, I like the idea of Balkan Unity! Is that a picture of Bouboulina on you Channel? Finally, I came here to see the dance and listen to the music, and not to have a political dialogue!
Look, before answering try to read what i write. I come from an arvanitic village. I don't need a book to learn. The problem is that you learn from wrong books. Arvanitic is a mutual dialect, with mostly a few hundred albanian words and greek and turkish influence. Arvanites could easily constitute schools in order to preserve that dialect(many prime ministers , politicians and so on are arvanites ) but they don't feel like to. Their heart beats with greece.
Hello to our Albanian friends, Go to Epiros, and count how many Tsams are there, then go to North Epiros in Argirokastro, and Agios Saranda and count how many Greeks are there.
I can't wait to have Vorio Ipiros back where she belongs, with our mana Ellada..... we will never forget, we will never go away, no matter what you say, how you put it, we will have what is ours. It will be... that's a PROMISE!!!!!!
My mother speak arvanitika, but she never learned me so... They just speak that dialect because greek is much more harder to learn and needs school, whereas arvanitika is easier for uneducated.
The main point is that although arvanites speak this dialect and have come from intermarriage between greeks and albanians, chose the greek identity in deed by fighting against turkish and albanians for the liberty of Greece. Kolokotronis, Mpotsaris, Miaoulis, Tzavellas and a bunch of others are greek arvanites heros. I don't see what's your problem is when themselves identify as greeks...
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian. The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see: CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
@enkeledi but the fact is the Arvanetes are Greeks from north Ipiros with thousands of years history. I personally have a friend who is a descendant of the great Arbanete Greek fighter Botsaris, and he has the same last name. I am telling you that he is very proud of his Greek ancestry , and he will sacrifice his life for Greece if need be. What I wrote you is no bull shit, you have to be open minded , do not be like some fanatic Albanians .. peace :)
@enkeledi Learn some history to understand why the Greek Arbanites of Ipiros spoke Albanian and Greek. The reason they spoke Albanian was because they lived in close proximity , and sometimes in the same Greek towns in north Ipiros as they still do to this day. When two different ethnic groups live close to each other they learn each others language to communicate when they trade goods, or for general trivial conversation. This is happening throughout the world. Arvanites are Greek Ipirotans.
dear odinese you are sympathe to me but the similarities of greek and turkish dances is that porse and fiat panda have four weels . greek dances are unik brother
ha ha ha Mister profesor, coffee is turkish, Ethiopia was Turkey as was Greece, Coffee was a state secret in the empire and only after Turkey vacate Vienna, we discover coffee beans left behind
@JamesGREEK26 What does the word FUSTANELA mean in greek???? If it is greek then explain it ,because in alabnian we know wery well what fustanela is and the meaning of this word.
What does "tsamiko" mean ? The uniforms are very interesting. I saw them in Athens and they do not look "sissy" in real life at all. Cool dance. Thanks for the posting.
@soNofLeoniDasandLas .(corection- they were descendants of Las).. continuing.... Las was a fierce warrior Chieftain of the Lan people, and lived 3.300 B.C. The neolithic Lan people later they marry with the Dorian Spartans, and created a unique Greek culture, based on honor, and love for their motherland Hellas. There were other neolithic Greek people in the Cyclades islands ,Krete, and elsewhere who mix with the bronze age Greek tribes .Greek history is vast, and well documented for eternity ..
@enkeledi I am 26 with a history degree, and had done historical studies on different cultures in many places of Europe, and I also studied in detail everything pertaining to the Greek history from early Neolithic period to the present. One thing some of you brainwashed Albanians, Turks, and Fyromonkeydonians do not understand. There are many well educated Greeks who know their history well. Our history is vast, and well documented, it is not written by some pseudo historian , or some unknown--
Ean exete arxidia elleta! But just to remind you... Aristotle said 2400 years ago... "chiefly in the Greek world and in it especially about ancient Hellas, the country about Dodona and the Achelous, a river which has often changed its course. Here the Selli dwelt and those who were formerly called Graeci and now Hellenes. Epirus has always been Hellenic.
"that two black doves had come flying from Thebes in Egypt, one to Libya and one to Dodona; ...........Zeus must be made there; the people of Dodona understood that the message was divine, and therefore established the oracular shrine.......
To sum up, arvanites have spilled their blood to liberate greece for hundreds of years, and along with their undoubtely greek origin have won the right and the honour to name themselves hellenes, like ancient athenians,spartans,cretans and macedonians. THE END
@korca8albania YEA ANCIENT GREEKS HAD MANY DANCES NOT ONE, AS THEY DO TODAY. THESE DANCES ARE GREEK AS THE DANCES OF PONTOS THE ISLANDS, KRETE, MACEDONIA ETC. GREEK HISTORY, AND MUSIC IS VAST. DO NOT FORGET WE HAVE A HISTORY OVER 6.000 YEARS OLD, AND WE STILL SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE, AND DANCE THE SAME DANCES. THE UNIVERSAL WORD FOR MUSIKI, IS MUSIC A GREEK WORD. SO IS DRAMA, THEATRO, THEATER... KOMODIA, COMEDY... ETC. .. ALBANIANS COPIED FROM THE GREEKS..... Socratis said "truth is a virtue"
One last thing, there is a minority in northen Epirus, the recognized greek minority, which mainly consists of arvanites. If arvanites are not greeks, why UN recognized such a minority? Be glad that an albanian state was also established without a true reason... Greeks(including arvanites from epirus) fought against italians germans and albanians(including chams) . Can't you see the difference my fellow (albanian)-epiroti???
Hey Pirrothecham, Do you know where the word Cham comes from? The Thamys River in Epiros which Albanians call Chamis...... Can I ask you what does Pirro mean in your language? Wink wink......haha...
Can you plz tell me where do you live? Country, and, if you want region? Because in preveza and thesprotia provinces, calling an arvanite "albanian" is insult, or sometimed funny, but with negative meaning!
Can you understand what you're reading? I accept my arvanite origin with all the hellenic values the word "arvaniths" resembles. What else can i do with all these these famous greek arvanites heros that fought against turks and albanians for the liberty of Hellas. Oh, by the way albanians and turks were allies in the ottoman empire because of their religion. All of epirus pasha's were of albanian origin.
Not Albanian, This is a costum if the Tsams, an old ethnic group which as old as the Romman Empire, before Albania was even a country! So the dance is called Tsamiko and Albaniko!!
I think that there is a lot of common things especially in music and dance and culture. The problem is that i hear a lot voices from your compatriots saying that it is theirs, and greece steals history and so on, something that arouses nationalism and therefore a threat for greece.
Ok, one last comment! Perhaps the Albanians should focus on bringing Albania into the 21 Century and into the EU. This is not the place to do it! this is is a music forum. We have no RESPECT for those who abuse the forum, and any respect you (plural) may have had from us is lost.
Fifth, Do not forget the naval battles at Nafplion and Pillos, Hellas, had to win at sea in order to have any chance on land against the Ottoman Empire (no Turkey yet!), and Albania was not a naval power. Sixth, regarding the Pelasgians, It is an open question, I do not claim to have the response to that question, However, I remain open-minded as I do not believe that all started with the Hellenes at the Balkan peninsula.
@enkeledi you have to many unanswered questions my friend , I will try to answer you these questions , so you can find the truth. You ask why the Arbanites speak Albanian. They speak Albanian because in many places in Greek north Ipiros the Greeks,and Albanians lived near each other, and converse on a daily basis on maters of trade etc. this phenomena where two different ethnic groups speak two languages is very common throughout the world , from china to USA, and elsewhere. Arbanites are greek
nice dance, we also have dances like that. BUT it's not tsamikos dance. Greek tsamikos is a war dance , the steps and the rythm is faster than "valle came".
Arvanites on the other side , are albanian-speaking orthodox self-identifying greeks in epirus. Myself is arvaniths. Greek till the bone. Botsaris also who kicked albanians' but in greek revolution was also arvantihs. If arvaniths-albanian why did he act like that?? Answer:he aknowledged the difference of being greek arvanite and albanian.
@71nasta no no, you greek are number 1 in nationalism . i am just fanatic. in defending my people and our folklore. tsamiko. is from cam albanians they danced this dance. we have many dances you have just 1 or 2 both copie frm albanians
Those Greeks cant even be close to this dance! The dance is called Chamiko for one reason. Because is the dance of Chameria and only Cham people can dance it like its supposed to! If there is somebody that dont know enoght about this Ethnic Albanian people in north of Greece lets feel free to ask!
People that never been to school or have no knowledge of history say Maybe. There is no maybe, & there is nothing wrong with Greeks dancing it. Greeks & Albanians bark @ each other all day in the internet but they are very similar. Living so close for thousands of years Greeks & Albanians have same traditions, music, dances, culture.
@Megalexandros78 RenaldoNjeshi seems to know what is writing.It obvious that this poeple are dancing albanian dance.If they would dance Sirtaki that would something greek maybe ,but this not .Chames are albanians and they will stay albanians
Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians etc have lived together for a very long time (in some areas at least) and it's completely natural that their national costumes, their music, their dances will be similar to some extent. I don't understand why some idiots seem to have a problem with this.
My goodness he is the best I've seen so far that dances the tsamiko like he does thanks for sharing.
H Ellada pou antiskete. H Ellada pou epimeni. Ke opios den katalaveni den xeri pou pata ke pou pigeni.
Savopoulos o megas.
From Boston with love.
this music is very nice and there are simmilarities in greek and turkish music.i am turkish but i love greece and greek people... we must find a way to accept eachother.
@bledalb like it or not fustanella is our traditional cloth.if we have same music ,same habits,same clothes means that we are relatives,we are living together greeks and albanians for thousand years and we still live together in the same villages same cities,we work together....so peace man!!!!we live in 2010.NO NATIONALISM,NO RACISM-BALKAN NATIONS SHOULD BE UNITED.
@dimired1 All this culture, is almost the same in the Balkans because we were approximately 400 years under Turkish occupation. We gave and took characteristics from them. if you have ever noticed, the Illyrian Tsamiko is the same with Epirotic Tsamilko. Also Thracian Dances are almost the same with Bulgarian Dances, and some Thessalian Dances or Pontian are almost the same with Turkish. It's not bad to accept that, we as Greeks have almost the same tradition with other Balkanian Peoples.
I agree. Tsamouria is used by chams, from the river kalamas, or thyamis as ancient greeks called it. Thesprotia is the ancient name of the region and it's used by greeks
The word Chamis is a corruption of the name of a river in Epirus called Thamis. Attested in ancient sources. Greeks first, and later Greeks and Albanians have lived in this part of northwestern Greece. It's no wonder that they have similar dances.
This is also a dance found in all parts of mainland Greece.....
it's identical to an epirot's dance , called "syrto sta 3". After living together for hundreds of years,all balkan nations have the evident common heritage.
One of the best Tsamiko I've seen! Bravo :-)
Who care's about where it cam from or who it belongs to.... Let's just enjoy this great video. Bravo re levntis!!
Arvanites were merged with local greek population, and nowdays they have strong greek identity. What's your problem?
Third, I know that there were Roman emperors from the various regions including Africa. Forth, I know that Bocari, Bouboulina, Kolokotroni, helped with the liberation of Hellas (Greece is a Roman name), but there were not the only ones, and we are not to attribute the liberation to them. In any event, I think of them as Hellenes of Albanian origin.
PURE GREEK MUSIC!!!!! GREECE IS WONDERFULL WITH HER WONDERFULL TRADITIONAL MUSIC!!!!
Eshte Valle shqiptare e cameve qe jetojne ne greqi 🤗
Ju lumëshin këmbet o vëllezër çamë
Albanian 4ever
Just like the noumerous versions of songs ... there are numerous versions of dances also.
We should just enjoy them just the same!
With internet and IT , theay are now international.
Albania has other most pressing problems to solve!!! than to care about who invented Tsamikos dance.
VALLE CAME.
Look, i know many albanians, that came here in early 90's that have changed names,surnames even religion and pretend to be from the greek minority of northern epirus. The question should be asked to them. Arvanites are a totally different story. Biris has given the title "Arvanites, Dorians of the newer hellenism". I think that this title is representative. I'm happy to have a talk with you!!
MPRAVO! the dance it's great, and the band playing too! Na se kalá
I guess,this is Dora Stratou Dance Group.I like it very much.Υεια στα χέρια σου.
Zervas himself was a Souliote and he was witnessed leading a Tsamiko at a press party at Thessaloniki in1948
The place is just beautiful, with beaches, the canyon of acheron etc... My mother can also speak arvanitika, she can communacate with albanians, although she cannot understand all the words. On the fanari plains, the old acherousia lake, there is the ancient nekromanteion, the oracle of the dead, that homirus describes in Odyseia.
@JonathanGiann even the coffee is not Turkish, it originated in Africa , in Ethiopia , and Kenya to be exact. Through trade the Africans brought it to Yemen, and Egypt, and from there to Greece, Turkey etc.
Bravo!!! Poli oreo xorôs!!! Wonderful, have tecnical and greek essencs!!!
@JonathanGiann We did not copy from others because we had a very highly developed culture.To a person who knows history,and how human development progressed through the ages will agree with me.There were periods of stagnation, but almost everything has roots in ancient Greece,therefore others copy .It was a slow natural process, that is why people do not notice it right away.Through thousands of years those Greek ideals created the western culture, and thought that spread throughout the world
Thank you for keeping alive albanian cham(iko) dance! Bravo sas palikaria!
My mother comes from fanari, preveza if you know. People there speak arvanitika, but have nothing to do with albanians, as they and i claim. The albanians came in the 90's , i still remember how strange was to see hundreds of them passing the borders and hiding from the police...
an amazing greek dance with amazing greek foustanelles
There are people who dance it and people who argue about it- on both sides of Oros Grammos.
Glad to know that you are making progress!
Sorry, No Albanian yet, but can do English, French, Some German and Greek, naturally.
Do not have time to be the police of utube! Got work to do! PEACE :))))
Very very nice!
Εκπληκτικός χορός ο Τσάμικος, όχι γιατί είμαι Ηπειρώτισσα αλλά γιατί όπως είπε ο Αλέξης Κωστάλας στους Ολυμπιακούς της Αθήνας, είναι "χορός βαρύς, λεβέντικος αντρικός"... όπως ακριβώς δηλαδή είναι οι Ηπειρώτες!
@JonathanGiann I will tell you one thing, having studied in detail Greek history, and everything else that has to do with the Greek world from antiquity to the present, I cannot find one item that Greeks copy from the Ottoman Turks , even the tsiftetely dance that is common in the Balkans, and the middle east , is Gypsy , and not Turkish. Can you name one thing that we copied from the Turks? maybe there is one that I missed :)
My favorite!
I'm sure of it.
Good job with this video my fellow Greek!
Way to go!!
+1
@enkeledi Arbanites are Greek Ipirotans from ancient times , yes some speak both Albanian, and Greek that does not make them Albanian. Some people for example who live close to each other, and interact on a daily basis learn both languages. It is very normal, you could see it in many poliethnic Countries, or cities around the world
Markos Mpotsaris died when he pursued an albanian corps of 4000 thousand albanians , whose chief was also the albanian Mustafa pasa of skodra. Arvanites speak a vocal dialect, unlike albanian which is written language. Ok it sounds albanian(i'm arvanite too). But arvanites used this dialect because it is not as complicated as greek, which needs school to be learned, and far more easier to learn. This dialect has also turkish influence.
Bravo, leventia!
@Truejustice100 I suggest to you to go see ancient Greek vases from 600 B.C. and see the fustanela, or Greek kilt painted on those vases. Also there are ancient Greek marble statues depicting warriors, on these statues there is the kilt carved with the pleats identical to the one the evzones wear today.This specific statue is depicting a Greek warrior holding a bow.I had seen other ancient Greek statues with the fustanella . Albanians should accept these facts, nothing wrong to copy from Greeks
@RenaldoNjeshi tsams was powerfull greeks or sometimes turks at 19th century when the greece was ruled by othomans. for your information this dance dancing in greece now days and coming from an ancient war dance(see circle shape). besides when the greeks dancing the albanians was leaving on trees.
Seventh, the great potential of our region is wasted with ethnic in-fighting ... back than as now (blame it on the Great Powers!). BTW, I like the idea of Balkan Unity! Is that a picture of Bouboulina on you Channel?
Finally, I came here to see the dance and listen to the music, and not to have a political dialogue!
Look, before answering try to read what i write. I come from an arvanitic village. I don't need a book to learn. The problem is that you learn from wrong books. Arvanitic is a mutual dialect, with mostly a few hundred albanian words and greek and turkish influence. Arvanites could easily constitute schools in order to preserve that dialect(many prime ministers , politicians and so on are arvanites ) but they don't feel like to. Their heart beats with greece.
Hello to our Albanian friends, Go to Epiros, and count how many Tsams are there, then go to North Epiros in Argirokastro, and Agios Saranda and count how many Greeks are there.
I can't wait to have Vorio Ipiros back where she belongs, with our mana Ellada..... we will never forget, we will never go away, no matter what you say, how you put it, we will have what is ours. It will be... that's a PROMISE!!!!!!
ha ha ha Mister profesor, even the way we speak is Turkish, we use Helenistic alfabet but the words they not from Plato
My mother speak arvanitika, but she never learned me so... They just speak that dialect because greek is much more harder to learn and needs school, whereas arvanitika is easier for uneducated.
And this is where Spartans come from . What happened !!
The main point is that although arvanites speak this dialect and have come from intermarriage between greeks and albanians, chose the greek identity in deed by fighting against turkish and albanians for the liberty of Greece. Kolokotronis, Mpotsaris, Miaoulis, Tzavellas and a bunch of others are greek arvanites heros. I don't see what's your problem is when themselves identify as greeks...
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
@enkeledi but the fact is the Arvanetes are Greeks from north Ipiros with thousands of years history. I personally have a friend who is a descendant of the great Arbanete Greek fighter Botsaris, and he has the same last name. I am telling you that he is very proud of his Greek ancestry , and he will sacrifice his life for Greece if need be. What I wrote you is no bull shit, you have to be open minded , do not be like some fanatic Albanians .. peace :)
Ainte Pame ena tsamiko leventiko...:)
@enkeledi Learn some history to understand why the Greek Arbanites of Ipiros spoke Albanian and Greek. The reason they spoke Albanian was because they lived in close proximity , and sometimes in the same Greek towns in north Ipiros as they still do to this day. When two different ethnic groups live close to each other they learn each others language to communicate when they trade goods, or for general trivial conversation. This is happening throughout the world. Arvanites are Greek Ipirotans.
@BattleBricks
Only in you 'freaking cold' culture !
dear odinese you are sympathe to me but the similarities of greek and turkish dances is that porse and fiat panda have four weels . greek dances are unik brother
NEITHER YOU, and that is funny too.
ha ha ha Mister profesor, coffee is turkish, Ethiopia was Turkey as was Greece, Coffee was a state secret in the empire and only after Turkey vacate Vienna, we discover coffee beans left behind
@JamesGREEK26 What does the word FUSTANELA mean in greek????
If it is greek then explain it ,because in alabnian we know wery well what fustanela is and the meaning of this word.
@JonathanGiann it is not Arabic , Arabs prefer drinking tea, not coffee.
What does "tsamiko" mean ? The uniforms are very interesting. I saw them in Athens and they do not look "sissy" in real life at all. Cool dance. Thanks for the posting.
@soNofLeoniDasandLas .(corection- they were descendants of Las).. continuing.... Las was a fierce warrior Chieftain of the Lan people, and lived 3.300 B.C. The neolithic Lan people later they marry with the Dorian Spartans, and created a unique Greek culture, based on honor, and love for their motherland Hellas. There were other neolithic Greek people in the Cyclades islands ,Krete, and elsewhere who mix with the bronze age Greek tribes .Greek history is vast, and well documented for eternity ..
These guys are the reason they invented PANTS.....
@enkeledi I am 26 with a history degree, and had done historical studies on different cultures in many places of Europe, and I also studied in detail everything pertaining to the Greek history from early Neolithic period to the present. One thing some of you brainwashed Albanians, Turks, and Fyromonkeydonians do not understand. There are many well educated Greeks who know their history well. Our history is vast, and well documented, it is not written by some pseudo historian , or some unknown--
Ean exete arxidia elleta!
But just to remind you...
Aristotle said 2400 years ago...
"chiefly in the Greek world and in it especially about ancient Hellas, the country about Dodona and the Achelous, a river which has often changed its course. Here the Selli dwelt and those who were formerly called Graeci and now Hellenes.
Epirus has always been Hellenic.
One correction : That's classical greek epirot folk dance.
"that two black doves had come flying from Thebes in Egypt, one to Libya and one to Dodona; ...........Zeus must be made there; the people of Dodona understood that the message was divine, and therefore established the oracular shrine.......
@soNofLeoniDasandLas to be exact the foustanela had 100 layers. i think i still have my great grandfathers one.
To sum up, arvanites have spilled their blood to liberate greece for hundreds of years, and along with their undoubtely greek origin have won the right and the honour to name themselves hellenes, like ancient athenians,spartans,cretans and macedonians. THE END
U are very yang to understand boy,very yang and so far from greece.See what i will send to u.
@korca8albania YEA ANCIENT GREEKS HAD MANY DANCES NOT ONE, AS THEY DO TODAY. THESE DANCES ARE GREEK AS THE DANCES OF PONTOS THE ISLANDS, KRETE, MACEDONIA ETC. GREEK HISTORY, AND MUSIC IS VAST. DO NOT FORGET WE HAVE A HISTORY OVER 6.000 YEARS OLD, AND WE STILL SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE, AND DANCE THE SAME DANCES. THE UNIVERSAL WORD FOR MUSIKI, IS MUSIC A GREEK WORD. SO IS DRAMA, THEATRO, THEATER... KOMODIA, COMEDY... ETC. .. ALBANIANS COPIED FROM THE GREEKS..... Socratis said "truth is a virtue"
One last thing, there is a minority in northen Epirus, the recognized greek minority, which mainly consists of arvanites. If arvanites are not greeks, why UN recognized such a minority? Be glad that an albanian state was also established without a true reason... Greeks(including arvanites from epirus) fought against italians germans and albanians(including chams) . Can't you see the difference my fellow (albanian)-epiroti???
Hey Pirrothecham,
Do you know where the word Cham comes from? The Thamys River in Epiros which Albanians call Chamis......
Can I ask you what does Pirro mean in your language? Wink wink......haha...
thanks a lot. Ill be waiting. Thank you very much.
Can you plz tell me where do you live? Country, and, if you want region? Because in preveza and thesprotia provinces, calling an arvanite "albanian" is insult, or sometimed funny, but with negative meaning!
Can you understand what you're reading? I accept my arvanite origin with all the hellenic values the word "arvaniths" resembles. What else can i do with all these these famous greek arvanites heros that fought against turks and albanians for the liberty of Hellas. Oh, by the way albanians and turks were allies in the ottoman empire because of their religion. All of epirus pasha's were of albanian origin.
@RenaldoNjeshi Do you know that the Arvanites self - identified as Greeks and that's why the nation they freed they called it Greece and not Albania??
Not Albanian, This is a costum if the Tsams, an old ethnic group which as old as the Romman Empire, before Albania was even a country! So the dance is called Tsamiko and Albaniko!!
@duzane0320 the video shows the contrary - Greeks dancing to a Cham dance - wearing a corrupted version of Albanian foustanella (too short).
I think that there is a lot of common things especially in music and dance and culture. The problem is that i hear a lot voices from your compatriots saying that it is theirs, and greece steals history and so on, something that arouses nationalism and therefore a threat for greece.
Ok, one last comment!
Perhaps the Albanians should focus on bringing Albania into the 21 Century and into the EU. This is not the place to do it! this is is a music forum.
We have no RESPECT for those who abuse the forum, and any respect you (plural) may have had from us is lost.
Hehehe good one!
+1
TOLIS TOLIS TOLIS !!
Fifth, Do not forget the naval battles at Nafplion and Pillos, Hellas, had to win at sea in order to have any chance on land against the Ottoman Empire (no Turkey yet!), and Albania was not a naval power. Sixth, regarding the Pelasgians, It is an open question, I do not claim to have the response to that question, However, I remain open-minded as I do not believe that all started with the Hellenes at the Balkan peninsula.
ΗΜΑΡΤΟΝ!!! ΤΙ ΑΛΛΟ ΘΑ ΑΚΟΥΣΟΥΝ ΤΑ ΑΥΤΑΚΙΑ ΜΟΥ!!!!!!
@enkeledi you have to many unanswered questions my friend , I will try to answer you these questions , so you can find the truth. You ask why the Arbanites speak Albanian. They speak Albanian because in many places in Greek north Ipiros the Greeks,and Albanians lived near each other, and converse on a daily basis on maters of trade etc. this phenomena where two different ethnic groups speak two languages is very common throughout the world , from china to USA, and elsewhere. Arbanites are greek
nice dance, we also have dances like that. BUT it's not tsamikos dance. Greek tsamikos is a war dance , the steps and the rythm is faster than "valle came".
Arvanites on the other side , are albanian-speaking orthodox self-identifying greeks in epirus. Myself is arvaniths. Greek till the bone. Botsaris also who kicked albanians' but in greek revolution was also arvantihs. If arvaniths-albanian why did he act like that?? Answer:he aknowledged the difference of being greek arvanite and albanian.
@71nasta no no, you greek are number 1 in nationalism . i am just fanatic. in defending my people and our folklore. tsamiko. is from cam albanians they danced this dance. we have many dances you have just 1 or 2 both copie frm albanians
POPOPOPOPOOOOOOO TSAMIKIA
Τη άλλο θα δούμε, και τη άλλο θα ακούσουμε...............
Bre pinakidha aftokinitu hk112 to kseris ti simeni "o Balo te hengert tenja te keqen e ke nga brenda"? Ean to kseris tha katalavis ti su leo?
Well tell me , why tsamiko is danced all over greece, while not in albania.
xaxaxaxaxa! pes ta re :D
aderfe otan les "stous illirious ehoun dikaioma kai oi Bosnioi kai oi Kroates kai oi Servoi",ti ennoeis?
In Greece you can find anything but no greeks. Fruitsalads
Why isn't it called Moraitiko then eee Poutsoglyfti?????
Those Greeks cant even be close to this dance!
The dance is called Chamiko for one reason. Because is the dance of Chameria and only Cham people can dance it like its supposed to!
If there is somebody that dont know enoght about this Ethnic Albanian people in north of Greece lets feel free to ask!
@odinese good comment my friend!!
People that never been to school or have no knowledge of history say Maybe.
There is no maybe, & there is nothing wrong with Greeks dancing it.
Greeks & Albanians bark @ each other all day in the internet but they are very similar.
Living so close for thousands of years Greeks & Albanians have same traditions, music, dances, culture.
@Megalexandros78 RenaldoNjeshi seems to know what is writing.It obvious that this poeple are dancing albanian dance.If they would dance Sirtaki that would something greek maybe ,but this not .Chames are albanians and they will stay albanians