Victorian Ice Cream & The Queen of Ices
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"Urgh making ice cream is a bit of a pain in the ass"
*makes a whole new machine out of thin air, changing cuisine history forever*
Humans are often motivated by avoiding extra work :D
@@tabby_cat humans: Does a bunch of work to avoid doing a bunch of work. lol
Not out of thin air. American Nancy M Johnson had made a similar one in 1845 and sold the patent to a local man. Crank ice cream churns were very popular in the US (where ice was easier to obtain) by the mid 19th century. It made ice cream an affordable commodity for the middle class for the first time.
@@jijipoid Way more fun than predictable boring bunch of work. :)
She's beyond talented, sure don't make em how they use too
Max: and in her free time, she launched a magazine.
Agnes: while inventing/marketing 600+ products, teaching a full time culinary school, and cultivating recipes: Ah! My down time is spent unwisely. I believe I shall launch a paper 🥴
A true Victorian, they rest when they’re dead 😂
What is Wordpress? You mean the process of printing by pressing words for this paper magazine I am making right? I have publishers to press those, I only write em. Are you saying I can write my articles and spread them to the masses without printing through thin air, have you been taking those mercury colorings?
May I suggest mine? It's vegan.
Meanwhile I can't decide whether I should wash my hair or not today because the blow dryer is in downstairs and I don't want to go down the stairs.
I guess this is what people have time for if we don't have to contend with TV, social media and Internet rabbit holes.. 😆
Good thing they had cocaine on everything
i like how she graded her custard recipes like they were different rarities of gacha drops
Becausebit is tgte only difference the suplier werent wolves
Based on the video, I get the impression Marshall totally would have sold recipes using the gacha model.
@@SnakebitSTI
What is gacha?
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 It's a Japanese term, short for "gachapon", which refers to machines that sell random toys in little capsules. As far as I'm aware, the term "gacha" started spreading in English due to"gacha games" - games with heavy loot box / random draw mechanics.
If you're interested in learning more, "gachapon" and "gacha game" are good search terms to start with.
LR Custard
I was so engrossed in the history that I completely forgot we were making cucumber ice cream
grossed is right!
Cucumber is in the melon family, it’s not really that wild
@@Coyoteari of course they're not wild, it's a domesticated crop.🤪
It makes me very happy that someone invented the cooking show before TV. Agnes would have been absolutely unstoppable if she had access to cable.
I think the history of entertainment is super interesting, because it's always fun to look back and see, hey, that's just like what we do.
She would give Chef Ramsey a run for his money.
Or TH-cam!
Oh yeah. It seems she was a genius inventor, had a disturbing knack for business organization, and was a striking beauty to boot. If she had access to something like Food Network she could've taken over a large chunk of western cuisine something fierce.
I would totally watch that. A Victorian woman laying the groundwork of the modern food culture as television content. A bit like how Emeril shaped what would become televised food shows in modern times. But maybe that's just because I find posh British accents to be both inherently humorous and a bit endearing.
I really love that you gave us an invisible woman in the history of engineering and entrepreneurship that I knew nothing about before now!
Invisible??
You mean people forget about this person because she was female.
Who many businessowner and inventors (male and female) did you "forget"?
@@kalig.4982 not sure what you're upset about.
@@pmberkeley it was not your assumption that she was " unvisible" because she was female?
Then i apologize.
@@kalig.4982 I'm a mechanical engineer who learned about the history of heat transfer, inventors, and thermodynamics in my classes. I've never heard of her. She's relevant to the history of the field. Yes, my contention is that she was invisible because she was a woman, this is a common problem in the sciences.
@@pmberkeley Then sadly, my point was right.
You did also not hear about most of the men, who did improve prior inventions.
Marshall change up the form of the bucket (very useful) but she did not discover the " Wirkprinzip".
She is such an impressive women..she is not in need to be hype up be (well meaning?) benevolent sexist men, i am sorry to say.
Damn. That woman created recipes, taught classes, manufactured appliances, wrote a blog in her magazine that talked about relatable topics (poor quality of butter and cocoa) and even expanded her empire across the pond by touring! And the American media focused entirely on her image, as it still does now, with famous women.
AND she birthed four kids!!!
All before 50!
And she had 4 kids!
"My interview was six paragraphs about my figure and how well it fits into my corset! Nobody asked me what I DO with all this business."
she’s a genuine girlboss and i respect her ability to make her ideas a reality
0% Talk
100% Walk
1000% Making new ice cream machines that don't break down, McDonalds take note.
She's not like the diversity hires we get today.
@@HenriFaust ...huh...
@@HenriFaust what are you talking about and why are you even here? Actually, I’m glad you are - take notes! You need to see more women entrepreneurs!
@@-Reagan We don't need more women entrepreneurs. We need more entrepreneurial women. Do you understand the difference?
I would guess the brandy acts more like a ice deterrent more than a flavouring agent. It should prevent the ice cream from making ice crystals since the alcohol lowers the freezing temperature of water. :) Sounds like a fun recipe though!
Not so much preventing ice, as keeping the crystals very fine, to preserve the smooth, creamy mouth feel.
I also think that, by lowering the freezing point, it more readily melts in the mouth, which is actually desirable in icecreams even today. That lady was SMART!
@@lairdcummings9092 makes sense. I was trying to convey that but my English failed me hehe cheers
Also alcohol would (maybe) help extract certain flavor compounds and take them through the sieve.
I have made a lot of ice cream. I used to think the vanilla extract most recipes call for was for the vanilla flavor. I figured out it has a larger effect because of the alcohol in it. So I started using a teaspoon of Everclear in a batch of ice cream to get the texture right and so I could use entirely different flavors
Agnes was really going all out to completely dominate the kitchenware market and I can respect that. She even made her own hiring agency to help out her students/endorse her teaching skills!
She was amazing
Proto-Martha Stewart.
She was the spiritual ancestor of Marth Stewart. Can you imagine if this woman had had access to television?
Well if you take consideration that she was the first entrepreneur of this area, she surely could've done it. If you are good at what you do, can teach it too, you might as well give and install the full set into homes too.
@@TastingHistory Amazing she was.
My 14 yr old daughter actually enjoys watching you and she HATES history lol. She loves spotting which Pokemon will be in the background next! Thank you for being so engaging
I have _never once_ seen a Pokémon in the background…. but I also didn’t know I was supposed to be looking…😆
@@riceracm They're often appropriate for the video, so go back and look for them!
Agnes sounds like a bloody legend. I love that her problem solving was pretty revolutionary. She was ahead of her time!
I desperately want a Victorian mould they are so extra, let me serve my jelly in a duck shape 😂
I mean, you can if you want to. But it makes no sense to waste such time with the advancements made since.
And I'm not talking about Agnes' moulds for ice cream.
I'm talking about the long dead fad of making every dish using gelatin and moulding them in every shape possible for no apparent reason. It's been like fifty, to sixty years since that was still a thing.
I mean it was probably fun… but other than the looks it definitely didn't improve anything that it didn't degrade as well…
@@nodezsh bet you’re fun at Parties, with ice cream set in whacky molds.
@@Sam-gw5pl I'd rather serve ice cream cake. Which I reckon I could pull off, actually.
@@nodezsh no doubt you could
Metal molds for gelatins (which could also be used for ice cream!) are often found in thrift stores and antiques shops! Keep an eye out, I’m sure you’ll have a collection and be delighting guests in no time.
The brandy is likely why it's creamy instead of sherbety. Alcohol freezes at a much lower temperature than water or cream. Too much and you won't get it to firm up, too little and it gets more like an Italian ice or sherbet instead of ice cream. Much like you need some but not a lot of salt in order to make bread. The salt regulates the growth of the yeast. The alcohol would regulate ice formation in the high water content of Cucumber Cream Ice.
Aha! I was wondering about a reason like this. Thanks for explaining!
You beat me to it! I 100% agree. Don't ditch the alcohol.
The freezing point of a 10% alcohol/water solution is -4 °C. Since there won't nearly be enough alcohol in the final mixture of this recipe to even approach 10%, I seriously doubt that the freezing point is lowered more than one or two degrees by the alcohol. As other commenters have mentioned elsewhere, it's probably got more to do with the alcohol affecting the size of the ice crystals rather than the temperature at which they form.
@@mikeroman5208 ^ yes!
I would think the fat is a much more relevant factor as far as the texture is concerned. If the fatty and watery components are properly emulsified, the fat will significantly limit how big the ice crystals can get.
The lady was a genius and a visionary. Would not have known without your channel.
I made this with apple juice as a substitute for the ginger brandy. It's delicious, one of the best ice creams I've ever whipped up in my kitchen. I'm going to mark it as a new favorite and insert a typed copy in my ice cream recipe book. Thank you, Mr. Miller.
Did you try it out with lime instead of lemon? I’d like to try it, too. Replacing the brandy with a fresh mix of ginger, suger and lemon juice.
She was probably the inspiration for Betty Crocker and the cookbooks that call for mixes or ingredients only available from the company that owns the Betty Crocker brand (General Mills, I think).
It’s good marketing
It's diabolically monopolistic. A great way to make buttloads of money.
It's horizontal integration. Rockefeller would be proud.
@@HolyKhaaaaan - What IS "a buttload" anyway?
@@MossyMozart do you really want to know?
We've got about a dozen Marshall moulds in our family. They're not used any more and they're not so ornately shaped, like a cucumber or what not. Come from a long line of cooks and caterers. Honestly, I've not seen them in a while. I hope we still have them and not sold them. I didn't realise they had such a history to them. I'll have to ask my parents about them.
That's so cool!
I'm a little jealous! Though if I had them I'd probably be using them, not realizing their historical value before seeing this video!
Remember that older pewter items were made with pewter that was made with lead, so they definitely wouldn’t be considered food safe today!
Though I’m sure there are ways to coat the pewter and make them food safe, even if they would not be ‘original’ anymore.
Alternatively I suppose you could make a mould from the original mould and cast it in something like tin so that you could have a copy to use to cook with and keep the original as it is for its history
@@embb82 you have the same entrepreneurial mind as Mrs. Marshall I see! 3d printing with food safe plastic would work. May God bless you and keep you by the love of Jesus Christ. 🙂
Very cool 😍
This woman deserves a statue and a John Williams soundtrack dedicated to her
And that soundtrack should go with a movie about her life
@@ExpandDong420 Here here, I'll eat ice cream to that
Cucumber ice cream: something I never knew I needed in my life. I HAVE to try this.
(Semi-related: my local ice cream place makes avocado-banana, and it's amazing.)
You should try avocado chocolate milkshake
I love cucumber. I wanna try this too. Maybe one day.
@@user-hl6ls8sv4t avocado chocolate tart is delicious.
Where i live, the ice cream place proposes kiwi-banana-spinach, so avocado-banana or cucumber flavors would be right up my alley
I want to try it too.. did you try it? Would you recommend replacing lemon juice with lime’s? As for the brandy I’m actually will make a fresh mix of ginger, suger and lemon juice much better I believe unless it helps in solidifying the cream!
Marshall wasnt just a cook. She was a businesswoman, an inventor, and a very clever woman when it comes to marketing
But how can that be..since women were not allowed to do this things?
Nobody would business with them or eat their stuff, right?
Feminist propaganda.
@@kalig.4982 well she was a wealthy woman from the upper middle class. And she was one of a kind, a rarety rather than a common thing.
@@TheGrinbery yes, indeed..special people are rare..they same is true for successful people..that true for both sexes.
Its a myth feminist claim to fight against..and by propagating this histrocial untruth they damaging young women badly. Because they think they must fight against men.
But to be successful means to cooperate with the right people and to compete with other to get better.
To think someone denies you your rightfully success because of your sex will antagonize helpful people and will hinder you to get better and learn what you are doing wrong.
Went to an antique fair once where one vendor had HUNDREDS of her ice molds for sale, didn't recognize her name. They were astonishing! Almost unimaginably diverse. What an amazing business mogul she was! (also appreciate the little burn on Isabella Beeton, I have one of her books). I love ginger & cucumber as a cocktail so this ice cream, with a garnish of mint, would be perfection 🥰
It's worth noting that Mrs. Beeton sold the rights to her manuals early in the game, and that for much of the title's run, it was neither written nor published by her. I don't care for the contents of the books, either, but I've learned why not.
That sounds so good😊
That is a good idea. Mint with Cucumber would be very Refreshing.
It reminds me of the drink, "Moscow Mule," which is a genuine (has alcohol) ginger beer, a shot of vodka, and a squeeze of lemon. I suppose a cucumber slice, longwise, might be a nice addition.
Pewter molds, you say. Gee, I sure hope none of the ice creams were acidic... shame about that lemon juice, huh?
Imagine if she had lived even to her 60s how many more things she wouldve invented. What an amazing person!
Also my first thought when I saw her picture was how gorgeous she is. other Victorian era people always look rough and tired. I wonder what she would've invented during both wars... would be really *COOL* if she lived a long life to like the 60s, what amazing ice cream driven world we would've been in
Maybe because she wasn't ingesting poison?
@@silentdrew7636 and she's smart.
Knowing of cucumber as a vegetable of "cooling" properties, I kinda expected mint to be the complementary flavour to enhance cucumber icecream. Agnes's choice of spicy ginger here is surprising, but interesting nonetheless.
Culinarily, opposites are so often paired. Hot fudge with cold ice cream. Spicy curry with cooling yogurt sauce. Fiery salsa with cooling guacamole. Smooth pudding with crunchy toppings. This is the norm in the cooking world - so this lady realized that so of course she paired a cool cucumber with a tiny bit of a punch of ginger brandy. She was clearly brilliant.
Cucumber is a fruit. Fruits come from flowers.
@@audrey2658 both are accurate, it's just that vegetable is a culinary term where fruit is a botanical term. To be technical, they're berries.
@@redoctane13 As the saying goes, "Knowledge is knowing that tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing that tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad."
@@whatzittooya9012 what about cucumber in fruit salad though?
An ice cream shop around where I live makes an elderflower cucumber flavor in the summer that is absolutely to DIE for! Now I can't help but wonder if they got the idea for it from Mrs. Marshall's recipe!
That sounds awesome
There's a popsicle shop around here that makes an avocado ice cream style. It's pretty delicious, and I imagine cucumber ice cream would be similar and more refreshing.
@@JRiddelle Omg I have ALSO had avocado ice cream from another shop near me! Avocado ice cream feels like a year-round type of flavor, whereas cucumber elderflower is definitely a summer type of vibe. Both are certainly delicious though!
@@masong695 Oh yeah, avocado is definitely heavier, where flavors like cucumber and lemon are lighter. I have a cookbook that notes that people *love* lemon flavored desserts because they taste refreshing, even if they aren't actually less calorically dense. I imagine cucumber is similar. And in summer you just want what feels cooler.
pls name drop the shop. i wanna go 😩
My intro to chem teacher in high school made ice cream using liquid nitrogen for us during the first week of class and had us theorize why it was so creamy with so few ingredients/so little churn time (it's bc of how fast it freezes, it makes the ice crystals smaller). Blew the minds of us 13-14 year old freshies
Must have been a fun project! You all got free ice cream!
I actually made this Ice Cream and it turned out pretty good, It was the talk at the dinner party I had. I used an ice cream machine but I performed the the same steps you did and I gotta say, if anyone have not tried this, You must. It may not be your first choice ice cream but it is unique and have a taste that will get the party talking (in a good way) I also added a tad bit more ginger brandy lol Thanks for sharing with us Max.
The funny thing about cucumber taste is: Cucumbers barely taste of anything on their own, but if you add cucumber to anything, the cucumber notes can be extremely dominant and overpower notes that you'd believe to be much stronger.
Just like banana! hmmm I'm sensing a theme here...
I didn't like cucumber as a kid, and complained that even putting it onto other things (like, say, salami on bread) and removing it again left an overpowering taste of cucumber. I've come to peace with the cucumber since them, but I still feel strangely ... avenged.
So you’re saying they’re like bay leaves? You don’t notice their presence, but you will definitely notice their absence?
If you ever grow cucumbers, it's a very fragrant fresh smell.
@@dnebdal The only way I enjoy cucumbers is if they're dill pickles (& tzatziki sauce in small doses).
Using cucumber as an ice cream flavor really reminds of Mexican “paletas,” typically a water based popsicle instead of cream or custard. They’re usually made using fruit flavors like strawberry, lime, or mango, but my favorite flavor is cucumber. Super refreshing summer treat!
Wait your right. Now that I think about it i think ive seen Pepino Palletas before being sold. Its a pretty common flavor in Agua Fresca.
The lime ones with bits of zest, and the sweetened milk ones made my childhood haha.
Yo I was thinking the same! My abuelita makes a bomb agua de pepino--this is just the next logical step.
There is pepino Gatorade, at least in my area. I can see it being less popular in other markets. I've also seen paletas de nuez but I've never tried them.
@@thedeviouspanda Pepino Gaterade is SOO good. Im always so sad when i go to areas with less Latinos in the population because they almost NEVER have pepino or limon flavors.
I think she should be categorized as a polymath. She was a creative and marketing genius. Just imagine what more she would've accomplished had she stayed off the damn horses. Great video, thank you!
Max, Agnes was the Fanny Craddock of her time. Her and her husband would pack venues with people, and do cooking demonstrations, while wearing evening dress. Fanny Craddock is a fever dream and a force to be reckoned with.
Honestly she is one of the most fascinating figures of whom I've heard in quite some time. Her life could be the subject of a movie and there wouldn't be any need to invent anything to keep stuff interesting.
With our luck Hollywood would make the movie about her love affairs instead of her brain!
That's because she invented everything that made her interesting.
Man, I wish, someone would write that script! It would make a kick ass movie or 1 season tv series.
totally agree! I would binge on the series about the star up of Agnes Bertha Marshall!!!
Lime and cucumber gatorade is delicious. Maybe the most refreshing of the lot. Traditional mexican lime-cucumber water is good too. A cucumber ice cream sounds incredible.
Yeah I agree on all counts
@Garbage Can't - Sorry, but I find Gatorade to be nauseating. This cucumber ice cream recipe sounds good, though. And a previous episode on Parmesan ice cream did NOT steer us wrong!
@@MossyMozart your apologies won't save you now
@@MossyMozart honestly one of the worst surprises ever sipping into an interesting sounding Gatorade flavor and being met with that nauseating taste lol. I nearly gagged.
As a cucumber agua fresca fanatic, the ice cream sounds delicious
This is the first time that the history portion interested me SO much more than the food portion. Excellent job!
I think cucumber is a really good idea for an ice cream flavor to bring back. It sounds very refreshing.
When I was in middle school in China back in the 2000s, Lay's came up with cucumber flavored potato chips for the market. It was really popular, they still sell it and it was one of my favorites. Somehow they managed to incorporate the refreshing character of cucumber into salty potato chips, pretty amazing. It's an underrated flavor, the cucumber. We should have more cucumber flavored snacks!
Lays in Canada currently is making cucumber potato chips - available mainly at Asian groceries.
dried or candied cucumber slices are really good too, you should try them
I'm going to go to the Chinese market to see if they have it. I'm all for more cucumber-flavored snacks.
My husband quite enjoyed the cucumber-flavored chips. We got them from the Asian grocery store.
Cucumbers are my favorite food...I eat one or two every day. I say YAY to more cucumber flavored snacks!
Strangest ice cream flavours I've ever had: basil, and cactus
The basil was quite refreshing as an afternoon snack, and it turns out cactus tastes mildly fruity
Candied and dried cactus are also good.
Even though cucumber ice cream sounds weird it does sound refreshing to me 🤔😋. I know Japan comes to mind when thinking of strange ice cream flavors. I would love to try the cactus flavor one lol 😁!
i grew up with cactus syrup (in my country syrups are super common, every flavour imaginable to add water to and drink), but it figures it would be great as ice cream!
I also had basil & lime sorbet, and recently had voilet, and saffron & tonka bean, soooooo good
Here in Sweden we have cactus flavored lemonade/squash/Kool aid drink
@Ellen Midgley - I have been using cactus fruits in my smoothies. It has fiber, nutrients, and a gorgeous fushia-like color, but is not very sweet or particularly flavorful. It also has hard black seeds that easily survive the blender, but they sink to the bottom of the mixture and can be avoided or you could strain them out. But that GORGEOUS color is so worth it!
She definitely deserves a netflix series. Another wonderful video Max!
"Pretty much all ice cream is good," he says, and I appreciate the distinction because I used to make a blue cheese ice cream as part of a blue cheese and pear dessert in the fine dining restaurant I worked in, and.... just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD. 🤢
I really must agree here. Blue cheese ice cream... 😬
Maybe it’s a pretty nice contrast; try apple pie 🥧 with cheese 🧀! Mmm pretty good the flavors balance each other out!
If I am correct, the brandy was added not only to add some flavor, even if barely noticeable, but to also lower the freezing point, making it more readily melt in the mouth. This feature is VERY desirable even today, though modern icecreams use fats/oils of different melting points for that effect instead, but the fact she found this feature so far in the past is a testament to her genius!
That's some "Food Wars" level cooking science!
Holy CRAP, she made Ron Popeill look like an amateur.
Also, a sundae with this and the Parmesan ice cream would be interesting
She reminds me of Martha Stewart.
Hated the infomercials, but I own 2 Ronco Showtime Rotisseries. Found a full-size one at Goodwill w/accessories for $30 last month. Had a compact unit for several years. Perfect rare roast beef, made easy.
But wait! There's more!
@@thepettiestpersonever6534 Like Pavlov's Dogs, I salivate when I hear that machine DING!
But could she spray paint away a bald spot?
I was literally thinking "Huh, she was like the Julia Child of the late 1800s" when you mentioned her xD
Women was literally a marketing genius. I feel like chefs from the food network have taken tips from her.
cucumber ice cream sounds great! cucumber's natural sweetness seems like it'd lend itself well to ice cream, and i can't imagine a more refreshing flavor for summer
@Nova Rainbow - I wonder if chopping the skin up with the rest, cooking, and mashing it will create a green color with depth so that the artificial stuff can be left out? I must try it.
what a legend she pioneered drop shipping, cooking shows, and branding and brand synergy.
She was Martha-Stewarting long before Martha Stewart.
This was fascinating! I love learning about women in history who shook things up and accomplished great things 💜
I thought the same thing. The OG culinary lifestyle brand mogul
Wait, she went to jail for insider trading?
Was she smuggling things in her prison wallet too? Lol
@@carmemories4202 😂
@@GBart Technically Martha did not go for insider trading. She went for giving "misleading" information to investigators.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for her, she had a talent she was amazing at, she had the genus and knowledge on how to be talented in other fields, and she profited on those talents
Best Women's History Month EVER! Seeing this on my timeline was indeed a sweet surprise 😉! Thanks for introducing me to the Original Girl Boss (OGB), Queen Agnes Marshall. Long may she reign (March, 2023) 🙌🏾
So this episode starts out with the MAXIMUM amount of skepticism, and ends with me now needing to make this. Particularly going into a SoCal summer.
So you're telling me Hello Fresh DOESN'T contain considerable amounts of arsenic??? Ok, ok, I'll think about it.
😂
I mean... TBF, he didn't *actually say* the arsenic quantities of his paying sponsor, but I would imagine it is quite low.
Only Doctor Snifflers genuine arsenic green greens like Doctor Snifflers genuine arsenic green.
@@KickyFut it would be rather bad for business to kill your clientele after all. It tends to make people nervous after all
@@jacthing1 well, i guess it depends on what you are selling.
I felt super accomplished because I did all my laundry AND washed the car today…then Agnes steals my mental thunder!!😂❤ But seriously, what an absolute LEGEND!
The lobby of the apartment im moving into has a copy of Fanny Farmer's book on one of the bookshelves. I saw that the day i signed the lease, and i couldn't stop smiling because of how much I've been learning from your videos.
My grandmother would have adored you
I would say that cucumber ice cream is insane, but then I remembered the cheese ice cream you did a while back and suddenly, cucumber seemed a normal flavor
It's a very India kind of flavor treat; 'things Indian' always played well in English upper society.
Cucumber absolutely works in desserts. If you ever see some of those mini cucumbers for sale, buy them. They have such an intense cucumber flavour and a sort of floral taste that you don't notice with regular cucumbers, since they aren't as sweet. It's like watermelon but with a refreshing 'green' bitterness and more floral than fruity flavour. The flavour pairs really well with strawberries in my opinion.
cucumber sounds much more normal than mint. if mint is acceptable then why not cucumbers, cucumber melon would be another good option
@@3000BETA cucumber-mint beverages are popular in India and surrounding areas, and are very refreshing. They're very light, vaguely floral, and satisfying without the heavy western emphasis on sugar. I grew to enjoy them when in the Persian Gulf, and seek out local Asian groceries to stock up.
I'd definitely rather have cucumber over parmesan ice cream.
Secondary fun fact: if you have a book with green from the Victorian era and some of the Edwardian era it's likely Scheels green which means you have a book with arsenic 💚
We just had an expert on the matter analyze the book collection at the museum I work at to see if we had any arsenic books in the collection, thankfully he only found two or three which is amazing considering the thousands of Victorian books we have!
@@anne-sophiekuentz6875 I hope you and your colleagues have the arsenic books under glass or something
One of the first video of English Heritage with Mrs. Crocombe was this same recipe: "How to make ice cream the victorian way". And I just checked and they included it in their book as well. I love seeing the same recipe made twice by different youtubers with very different approaches. I guess I have to make it now.
Mashti Malone’s is a Persian ice cream shop in LA with phenomenal cucumber flavor! They make saffron, orange blossom, date, rose water, etc. Incredible! Thanks for the video!
Honestly, I’d never think of it as an ice cream flavor, but now that I know it exists…cucumber ice cream sounds kind of good 🥒 🍦
It’s always the unexpected ones
Ive tried green chili ice cream though haha
For real, cucumber, ginger, and lemon would make such a refreshing flavor, I really want to make this!
I like in Portland, it wouldn’t surprise me if one of the “artisan” ice cream shops here already have a cucumber blend or will have one this summer.
I enjoy cucumber-mint beverages, so I wasn't perplexed, per se. It is, however, unexpected. Definitely NOT an American staple - more of an Indian kind of thing.
Cucumber-mint is a very subtle but very refreshing combination, and I'm willing to bet would make a suitable variation on this treat.
I'm going have to try making both, now. 😁
This reminded me of a story from my family. So, my great-grandpa would always ask for cucumber pie. It didn't matter if it was Christmas, a birthday, or even a Sunday dinner. If there was dessert, he would ask, "Got any cucumber pie?"
According to my ma, it was always a funny joke, until his wife made some, and made him eat it. Then, it became hilarious.
....did it taste good?
@@rochelleleung8680 Doubtful.
Cucumber sandwiches are divine so all that had to be done is bake a pie crust with butter, salt and cracked pepper and let it cool until barely warm, sprinkle a little vinegar and spread mayonnaise thinly, and then stack on thinly sliced cucumber , sprinkle a little fine salt and pepper and serve
@@verrojackson8223 Sounds refreshing, but I'm not sure I really want that from a pie.
@@verrojackson8223 put cream cheese in my cuke sammies. it's good. maybe add some to the pie to give it layers.. i think we have a recipe.
oh my GOSH what a frickin GIRLBOSS how have i never heard of her?? definitely one of my new favorite historical women, thank you so much for sharing her story with us!
Girlboss? Derogatory remarrk, she's a woman
@@alicelong3613 yeah personally I'd rather just be called a boss than girlboss.
The term "girl boss" is only used by MLM huns who will lie to sell anything and everything. Marshal was a WOMAN not a child. She would be a BOSS with no need to call her a child.
ya'll are killjoys 💀
Making this ice cream this week! Along with some blackberry ice cream. The blackberries and cucumbers are fresh from my garden! Thanks Max!
I'd love to see her recipe books come back into publication. She sounds like a fascinating person, and honestly, I want to try all her ice creams! I wonder if an establishment serving said, with her moulds and techniques, would be fashionable in our modern times?
I think Portland found their new "weird thing" to attract tourists... Austin is coming for it, though!
Her book "Fancy Ices" is available as a free PDF.
@@goatkidmom thanks
During my chemistry degree we used to make liquid nitrogen ice cream once or twice a year and it was always a super fun day! The thought of doing it with liquid oxygen is terrifying though, that stuff is incredibly flammable and dangerous.
haha if i need liquid oxygen I use liquid nitrogern to get it. Fill a styrofoan cup with liquid nitrogen and when it has stopped boiling as a little more so the cup is fullagain then you wait. Whilethe liquid nitrgoen slowlyevaporates it freezes out opxygen from the surrounding aier which collects at the bottom of the cup. When teh nitrogen is gone you should have 1/10 to 1/8 ofther amount of luquid nitrogen in liquid oxygen. You can tell by the color, oxygen is kinda blue.
@Nicholas Randell
She actually never wanted to use liquid oxygen (not sure where Max got that - but it's not the case), but was very interested in using liquid nitrogen. There is now a liquid-nitrogen-ice-cream store in St Louis, Missouri, that calls itself "Ices Plain & Fancy" in honor of her book.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_Marshall
Agnes sounds like an absolute force. I definitely need to try some of her recipes this summer.
Love the lil caterpie just sitting there, it was a good fit for this episode. I think only him and metapod would fit for cucumber stand ins.
Also really loved the colour of the ice cream its a really lovely shade of green.
Agnes Marshall really went heavy on the "gatekeep & girlboss"
Gaslights were all the rage in Victorian times, too.
Refreshingly chilled
A green without the kill
Shielded from the verde
That created a stained history
A more uncucumbersome
Sundae flavour
A scoop of difference
For a Tuesday morning
I'll scream to that!
FG 🍧🥒
Uncucumbersome is now entering my daily lexicon.
@@TastingHistory ... Firegen1 is truly amazing as the Tasting History Poet Laureate (... but as a retired editor, I have to ask: could you or he correct the typo in "uncumcumbersome" in his post ... that first "m" has got to go!)
@@richardbeebe8398 Damnit! I didn't even see the extra M. Sadly if I edit it, Max's heart disappears. *edit* I was right but no matter - all fixed! Thank you for the noticing and also the new title! Now to shoot my phone grammar checker. 🥒🔫
Also I'm a she :)
@@Firegen1 Been there and done that myself, all too often. And my apologies for mis-gendering you (something I should have addressed more carefully, given that I used to work at an all-girls school!). I am also going to start seeking out your poetic posts on Max's episodes in the future (but I promise not for the purpose of proofreading, but to simply savor and enjoy!). And, as Max noted, "unencucumbered" is a word I intend to add to my lexicon as well.
@@richardbeebe8398 It's so easily done when racing the algorithm. I tend to do it quickly to keep my promise to the Boss, but maybe a little too quickly.
It's awesome to hear you used to work in a school. Hope it was a role you enjoyed. Also none of the worries. Before when I just told bad dad jokes here everyone thought I was a bloke. We all just text scroll at end of the day.
Thank you so much. I'm honoured anyone reads them to be honest. Max sort of challenged me to do it at the start of Titanic month... and now ... 🤷🏾♀️ as long as it keeps making him laugh. I'll just double check before I press the arrow going forward 😅
Loved learning about Agnes B Marshall here - what a fascinating person running circles around her time period with her entrepreneurial spirit! You really brought her and her exciting my career to life with this video, and I’m actually tempted to try making this cucumber ice cream now. Thank you for all the great content!
This makes me happy because my mother tells me stories of her mother hand cranking ice cream on hot summer days with that old fashioned machine. She said it was her favorite summer treat
all i want to know is why isnt there a 12-part series on this woman
I would watch this!
let's hope this video is the first installment of the 12.
I was going to call her a Victorian Martha Stewart but then you just kept listing more books and business ventures. That woman was incredible!
You’re so stinkin talented I swear. Great job with this series. It reminds me of a vintage syndicated series but more impressive because you’re doing it all yourself without a production team. I love Now.
I wonder if skipping the brandy is such a great idea, it's possible the alcohol keeps it from completely freezing, keeping it soft and smooth.
@Theology On The Top Shelf - All ice creams require an alcohol component to prevent the granularity that ice crystals cause. You can use any kind you want - vodka, brandy, rum, liquors, etc. The ginger here sounds like it goes well with the cucumber.
When used properly, cucumber changes the nature of a dessert into still a dessert, but refreshing. I've had various cucumber flavored snacks in China, namely crisps and the like, and the cucumber makes the saltiness refreshing. That's why pickles are curiously refreshing even though they have all that brine and spice.
Cucumbers are so refreshing, hearing about it now I'm surprised there aren't more cold cucumber flavored desserts out there
Cucumbers were all the rage in Victorian England, which is why the sweet slender salad cucumber is still called an English cucumber. They were used in desserts and drinks (e.g. Pimm's) - on a hot summer day I like adding thin cucumber slices and a sprig of mint leaves to my gin and tonic.
And Max wearing Scheele's green shirt. So Poetic and Interesting. 💚
The idea that Agnes Marshal (somewhat) saw the advent of both ice cream cones and liquid-nitrogen-cooled ice cream coming makes me want to see an alternate history novel hinging on her living a full life. Might as well call it “icecream-punk.”
So happy when a Victorian episode pops up! I know we can't trust their "history" but the era still enchants me. Congrats on the new place!
Maybe Max should someday do a livestream with Brian Cushing of The Victorian Barroom. Or a collaboration!
Why can't you trust the "history" of the Victorians?
@@paldrangsholtevensen7147 Some of it is solid but they really had a tendency to make a lot of stuff up.
@@paldrangsholtevensen7147 They made things up. Like, all the time. Things to make English history sound better, things to make other's history sound worse, things to make history in general more barbaric or exciting or dramatic, things that sanitized parts of history that would offend their delicate sensibilities. Whatever.
Sometimes it was out of whole cloth themselves, sometimes it was misunderstanding lies from others, sometimes it was misunderstanding correct information.
Me too! I’m all about everything Victorian. Well, most things 😂
Wow she's amazing, everything just circles around eachother. Why don't we learn about more genius women like her in school.
Right, her history is marvelous.
Misogyny, mostly. Things that women do well tend to get stolen or co-opted by men and only then became valuable. Think cooks and chefs. Cooking was women's work until women were producing amazing things, then men copied what those women were doing and suddenly those men were chefs and of course much more high class than anything a woman could do. Same thing with computer programming, the first "computers" were women and they were paid very little and respected not at all. Them came along electronic computers that needed programming, which was also initially done by women. Then men swooped in when this process was obviously going to be monetarily advantagious and as soon as men were doing it, it became much more valuable work and was paid as such. This is always how things go, if women are doing it, that thing is devaluted, if men are doing it, that thing increases in value. Women are invaluable to society, but we are always considered to be worthless. With Roe V. Wade likely to be overturned, we will then have fewer rights than a corpse. I feel hopeless right now.
Because there is so little time to cover everything. They mostly cover world changing events or civilisations that were particularly groundbreaking. If you want to learn more then you need to do your own research.
@@Wulfslove Get over your penis envy. That's not the reason. It's because there is not enough time to cover most of history so they focus on important events. Agnes Marshall's ice cream maker and recipes are hardly that important to cover over Ancient Egyptian civilisation or the Roman Empire.
This is so cool! I might want to try cucumber ice cream now, but as a lover of both food and history (especially women in history) AB Marshall is a fascinating person. I will also now take to calling my freezer my ice cave.
@The Mighty Quill - .^_^.
11:45 I first saw corn on the cob served in such a fashion last year. I inquired of the people eating it what the white sauce was and they told me: mayonnaise. I was surprised and wondered where it was served so, because I'd always had it with butter and salt. I was informed that this was the way corn on the cob was served in Mexico. I wonder if that's where Ms. Marshall got her preference.
Man, this Agnes was a cookery business mastermind. She had her hands in everything!
Why would you want to eat any of her stuff if she's had her hands in it?!
Just hearing about her collection of molds, I envisioned myself eagerly surfing the catalogue and ordering them online!
"While her businesses are long since forgotten.." That kinda gave me an existential crisis, not gonna lie. She worked her whole life to build up her dream and a company and within 40 years it vanished into the wind. Kind of puts things into perspective but in a "what's the point" way. Ugh, anxiety rising! lol
Sugarcat, your comment reminded me of that old poem by Percy Shelley:
*Icymandias*
I browsed an antiques shop one afternoon,
An hour or two of empty time to while.
Amongst some well-worn kitchen wares I soon
Discovered ice cream molds, a shabby pile,
From purest pewter shaped and deftly hewn.
Beside them, a brochure whose faded type
Extolled the virtues of a proud supplier
Of household goods, declared, with brazen hype,
The credo of its Founder and its Lion:
"My name is Agnes Marshall! I desire
To fill your home with goods of my design!"
Alas! Our modern chefs forget her name,
And to the dregs her mighty works consign,
While crumbles into dust her shining fame.
@@MsLeenite oh my lord that's beautiful AND horrifying
@@MsLeenite Chapeau!
@@SugarcatPlays :-) TY
@@scollyer.tuition :-) TY
I started watching the video because I was hot and the ice cream in the thumbnail looked nice, I didn't expect to be amazed by the life story of such an awesome lady and actually inspired to do some of my own research about her after!
Considering Caterpie in the background, I was worried you were going to say in order to get a more vibrant, non-toxic green, caterpillars would be crushed... good thing no caterpillars were harmed in the making of the cucumber ice cream.
When I saw the title I wondered if using lemon cucumbers (imagine a cucumber that looks like a tennis ball) would bring a different flavor. But then there are some other strong flavors in the recipe already. I have both green and lemon cucumbers growing in my garden, and assuming I get some actual produce from my seedlings.... I'll just have to try making this ice cream twice.
Having grown lemon cucumbers, I can tell you their flavour is not all that lemony. With that said, try it anyway. And add Earl Grey tea (or borage flowers, since you're growing cucumbers anyway). You will be PLEASED.
You can almost make anything into an ice cream. I've done it with corn, rosemary, gorgonzola, parsley, and goat cheese. And I've seen garlic ice cream on a menu but have not made it myself. When served to guests who don't yet know what the flavor is, they can identify it as something familiar but can't readily name the flavor because it is out of context, making it a fun way to end an evening as everyone enjoys their cucumber ice cream.
I've had a cranberry goat cheese ice cream that worked well despite not being very sweet.
Cheese ice cream????
@@seronymus It weirdly tastes good, depends a little on the type of cheese used though.
Here in México corn ice cream seems to be pretty common, i've tried it once and it was really good
I always love your videos. They are educational, historical, and you add a touch of modern sentiment and thought on top of it all. You're channel is a home-run. You always knock it out of the park. Thank you for all your hard work and effort. I appreciate it immensely. While there are others doing similar videos, you've found a niche where you have no peer. Best regards from Eastern Kentucky.
I love this because you made the history behind this dish absolutely fascinating
I love Agnes. As an aside, when she started selling every kind of kitchen tool she reminded me of food youtubers lol
This is my second time commenting, but thank you so much for featuring a woman inventor! Throughout history, they didn't get near enough credit and we still don't talk about them enough today.
You can comment all you like 😁 And agreed that they often get overshadowed and forgotten.
Check out the Sally Lunn Bunn episode!
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Thank you! This has been awesome! When my siblings & I were toddlers we LOVED cucumber! My younger brother even asked our mum "if I finish my dinner can I please have some more cucumber for pudding?"
Next thing I know the day after I remember that and wishing to have cucumber more often: boom this video making it an obvious dessert!
What a brilliant woman you covered today. I never knew of her until this episode and enjoyed learning of her many talents.
Cucumber works really well as a sweet, and it's too bad people shy away from it. In Mexico, one of the popular aguas frescas is cucumber, 'pepino', and it's fantastic. By the way, the alcohol in the brandy changes the texture of the ice cream, which is its main purpose. I love Agnes Marshall's recipes, and I'm glad to see you feature her.
Never had ginger brandy before this eh? The next time you feel under the weather put an ounce (or two) in hot green tea, with honey to taste. One of my of favorite "remedies". Thanks for the great content!
Pepper vodka is great for headcolds.
Love a good hot toddy!! My grandma did lemon, ginger and a 1-2 shots of bourbon in tea. It was enough to either force you to cough it all out or *_knock_* you out 😂
Max, thank you so much for this channel!
Fantastic video Max! The history and the lady behind it were so interesting! And the cucumber ice cream seems refreshing. I will have to try it one day!
This woman is a legend and has my respect truly a pioneer and visionary
Max has gone green. Back to back episodes of green food, gelatin, salad, and now ice cream. I kinda wish I were José 'cause I'm green with envy that he gets to try Max's dishes.
And back to back cucumbers when I don’t think they’ve ever appeared on the show before.
I just genuinely enjoy you and the content you make. It's smart, fun, informative and a great pinch of personality. 😊😊
That was a madly entertaining video. More power to you, man!