Being against proxies for a card game is being childish and elitist. If you want to collect is one thing, but you shouldnt be mad because others just want to play the fkin game
I’m NOT against proxy. As long as there’s a label on the card that says “PROXY”…I’m good with that. Proxies can be used by scammers to rob newbies. Proxies are fake cards. They should be labeled as such, just like a currency. No one wants fake/proxy cash without proper FAKE label on it. That is irresponsible.
@@BenTradingCards Indeed. But in this case, they aren't proxies, they're counterfeits. Counterfeits are fake cards, while a proxy can even be a piece of paper with the card name written on it.
@@hugohaddad783 I’m good with that piece of paper. But, there are sellers out there making near authentic proxy cards, which a newbie can’t distinguish. A proxy tissue paper is definitely a go for me.
@@ControlFreak11 So your income should decide first and foremost whether you can participate in a tournament, instead of your skill?? How is that piracy?
@@BenTradingCards custom holo informed me of a contract they are working on to hopefully be able to have the permission to use the said ink; i dont know which ones do off hand, but i think pokemon is experimenting with it if i recall properly?
Glad people are doing some research- I want to clarify - the TM could probably be easily replicated. However, the way the black print interacts specifically at inside pit of the “M” seems like it could be intentional. I think we can still find something more akin to the L dot.
@@BenTradingCards Yep. Ordinary printers can be distinguished by easier means than a loupe though. (Surface and texture of the card) My concern isn’t my friend printing proxies. It’s China MTG proxies like on “Wish”
Wherever it may originate, these proxies are still imitations, unless there’s a cross label there as “Proxies”. Allowing it will just propagate more fake ones in the market and noobs will definitely fall victims. Just what Alan said that a person was selling proxies for MTG and still probably doing it till now. That’s why I don’t agree with it. If someone can’t afford high end cards, there are ways to play and have fun like pauper. If some LGS allows this to happen for short term benefits, then this will be difficult to purchase high end cards long term. It’s just like I’m playing in casinos with proxy/fake $10,000 tokens. I don’t think they will let me win.
Awesome video man! Great information here, I'm sure fake cards being passed as authentic will become more prevalent over time. Thanks for the information man!
I mean, obviously, if you just bought a 150€ Skullcap, you probably don't have an original lying around to compare it to, but I believe comparing the backs should only be one step in your procedure of identifying counterfeits. Otherwise you give counterfeiters the tool in hand to scam you more efficiently.
Does a print run of unlimited WTR exists where the colors of the ink are a little bit brighter and the corners of the card are rounder? Because I have a valuable card with a brighter back side, clearly visible at the red color of the "Flesh and Blood" letters. The "TM" is not missing and it has the same size and position as on every other FaB card. Just the brighter ink makes me unsure if the card is fake or not...
A fabled card is 1 in 960 packs. Dude. That's criminal. The fact that legendary and fabled are the strongest cards. Forcing us to spend hundreds if not thousands to keep up with the meta buying the rarest cards none of us can afford pull from packs let alone easily buy. So who cares if people make proxies. Flesh and blood makes millions selling us bulk.
Sorry, but the whole discussion about counterfeits is ass backwards. I understand why companies can't endorse their use in tournaments officially, but they are a great liberator for the poor. Your social status and monthly income shouldn't decide whether you can participate in a tournament, your skill in the game should. With FaB having cards costing up to 500€, that is obviously not the case. Selling counterfeits to unknowing people is a scam plain and simple. But buying counterfeits to use them in tournaments is NOT to be compared, ethically. Be happy that you can afford originals. They hold value and can be resold. Counterfeits can not, or at least not without being scummy and running risk of being exposed and held accountable legally. Don't judge people less fortunate than you, trying to compete in the game, because they use a loophole to equalize the paygap.
@@BenTradingCards So you don't agree that playing Counterfeits at tournaments is not only okay it is an essential part of evening the financial playing field in the hobby? But that's, like, my main point. :D
Being against proxies for a card game is being childish and elitist. If you want to collect is one thing, but you shouldnt be mad because others just want to play the fkin game
I’m NOT against proxy. As long as there’s a label on the card that says “PROXY”…I’m good with that. Proxies can be used by scammers to rob newbies. Proxies are fake cards. They should be labeled as such, just like a currency. No one wants fake/proxy cash without proper FAKE label on it. That is irresponsible.
@@BenTradingCards Indeed. But in this case, they aren't proxies, they're counterfeits. Counterfeits are fake cards, while a proxy can even be a piece of paper with the card name written on it.
@@hugohaddad783 I’m good with that piece of paper. But, there are sellers out there making near authentic proxy cards, which a newbie can’t distinguish. A proxy tissue paper is definitely a go for me.
bad take. proxy is piracy if you use the proxies to play against others in a tournement
@@ControlFreak11 So your income should decide first and foremost whether you can participate in a tournament, instead of your skill?? How is that piracy?
Thanks for spreading the information Ben. You do good for the FaB community. Glad to see your channel is growing. Good luck!
You’re welcome and Thank you Pining Garcia!
A newer tech involves a invisible paint that you can see with a red light; similar to methods they use on money
That's cool. On which TCG have this existing feature?
@@BenTradingCards custom holo informed me of a contract they are working on to hopefully be able to have the permission to use the said ink; i dont know which ones do off hand, but i think pokemon is experimenting with it if i recall properly?
Thanks for spreading the word!
Thanks for allowing me to spread it! You’re the man!
Glad people are doing some research-
I want to clarify - the TM could probably be easily replicated. However, the way the black print interacts specifically at inside pit of the “M” seems like it could be intentional.
I think we can still find something more akin to the L dot.
Black ink will definitely mix with the colored M, which can be obvious when printed on ordinary printers.
@@BenTradingCards Yep. Ordinary printers can be distinguished by easier means than a loupe though. (Surface and texture of the card)
My concern isn’t my friend printing proxies. It’s China MTG proxies like on “Wish”
Wherever it may originate, these proxies are still imitations, unless there’s a cross label there as “Proxies”. Allowing it will just propagate more fake ones in the market and noobs will definitely fall victims. Just what Alan said that a person was selling proxies for MTG and still probably doing it till now. That’s why I don’t agree with it. If someone can’t afford high end cards, there are ways to play and have fun like pauper. If some LGS allows this to happen for short term benefits, then this will be difficult to purchase high end cards long term. It’s just like I’m playing in casinos with proxy/fake $10,000 tokens. I don’t think they will let me win.
Awesome video man! Great information here, I'm sure fake cards being passed as authentic will become more prevalent over time. Thanks for the information man!
Yup. That’s my concern about proxies. Just like MTG. They are now advanced and difficult to detect. Thanks to Alan The Kraken and KTTCG.
I was waiting for a channel to make a video on this topic
Hi Adir , hope you learned from this video.
Thanks, I suspected fake card would appear but I didn't know for sure or how to verify them
When a game becomes famous, there will be fakes coming. Hopefully it won’t spread that much.
Identifying from the card back can lull you into a false sense of security. The card could be rebacked or printed directly on a blanked real card.
That’s difficult to detect. But maybe it will have different texture.
Well, not the back, since it would literally be ripped of an official card.
I mean, obviously, if you just bought a 150€ Skullcap, you probably don't have an original lying around to compare it to, but I believe comparing the backs should only be one step in your procedure of identifying counterfeits. Otherwise you give counterfeiters the tool in hand to scam you more efficiently.
Are there differences in the distribution of colors in the “fiesta egg with hot sauce” when you compare the Belgium printing vs the Japanese printing?
I don’t have the copy of the Japanese printing. Sorry
Thanks!! Great video!!
Even knowing my cards are authentic I was too much curious and just did the same test LOL...
Glad it was helpful! 😊
Does a print run of unlimited WTR exists where the colors of the ink are a little bit brighter and the corners of the card are rounder? Because I have a valuable card with a brighter back side, clearly visible at the red color of the "Flesh and Blood" letters.
The "TM" is not missing and it has the same size and position as on every other FaB card. Just the brighter ink makes me unsure if the card is fake or not...
Edit: Could this be the newer print run from Japan? The CRU unlimted cards looks the same.
I don’t have the Japanese version but watched a video on YT. There are differences on the print quality. It may be printed in Japan.
This is great! Thanks so much! As a new player, I wouldn’t want to be trade a fake card.
Thanks. Be careful on buying singles.
A fabled card is 1 in 960 packs. Dude. That's criminal. The fact that legendary and fabled are the strongest cards. Forcing us to spend hundreds if not thousands to keep up with the meta buying the rarest cards none of us can afford pull from packs let alone easily buy.
So who cares if people make proxies. Flesh and blood makes millions selling us bulk.
Buy the Unlimited version in eBay or LGS.
Great job
Thank you Thomas!
hello. I now will be owning a pocket microscope to look for fun details on cards.
Good for you. That’s very helpful. I use that all the time.
Then what dont help is when you get a box from a legit distributor and some of the red...yellow or blue lines look like a child colored them in
If it looks too much damage on it, you can ask for a replacement from LSS.
very interesting
Glad you think so Ben!
Crazy to think this is a thing 🤦
There are proxies out there and can be deceiving.
Thanks
You’re welcome Philip!
Sorry, but the whole discussion about counterfeits is ass backwards. I understand why companies can't endorse their use in tournaments officially, but they are a great liberator for the poor.
Your social status and monthly income shouldn't decide whether you can participate in a tournament, your skill in the game should.
With FaB having cards costing up to 500€, that is obviously not the case.
Selling counterfeits to unknowing people is a scam plain and simple. But buying counterfeits to use them in tournaments is NOT to be compared, ethically.
Be happy that you can afford originals. They hold value and can be resold. Counterfeits can not, or at least not without being scummy and running risk of being exposed and held accountable legally.
Don't judge people less fortunate than you, trying to compete in the game, because they use a loophole to equalize the paygap.
Agree with you Godschrah! 💯
@Ben Trading Cards You do? Comes around differently in that video. That is allready 11 months old, though.
@@godschirah2965 the buying of counterfeit and selling to newbie.
@@BenTradingCards So you don't agree that playing Counterfeits at tournaments is not only okay it is an essential part of evening the financial playing field in the hobby? But that's, like, my main point. :D
@@godschirah2965 playing counterfeit in tournaments? I definitely disagree.
Just buy from some one with 97 percent seller rating or 100 to make sure
Thanks soccerkills. I agree.
Thanks for spreading the word!
You’re welcome! Thanks to Alan and Louie.