Pak 36: The most effective Doorknocker

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  • The 3,7-cm-Pak 36 is rather infamous for its inability to deal with heavy and well-armored medium Allied Tanks in France 1940 and the Soviet Union in 1941. Although, when used in France the troops in some cases were very happy with it. In this video we look at its history, capabilities, reception by the troops and aspects like crew positioning and training. If possible primary sources like original German Army Regulations were used as sources.
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    Fleischer, Wolfgang: Die deutsche Panzerjägertruppe: 1935-1945: Katalog der Waffen, Munition und Fahrzeuge. Ed. Dörfler im Nebel-Verlag: Eggolsheim-Bammersdorf, Germany, 2007.
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    #Pak36, #Doorknocker,#Heeresanklopfgerät

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  • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
    @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

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    • @yulu803
      @yulu803 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi, just asking if you have ever came across sources relating to soviet propaganda artillary shells/airdrops? I was a bit suprised to find artillary airburst ammunition to be in the standard ammo listing of the russuian 122mm field gun. If possible, would you like ot do an episode on soviet propaganda leaflet tactics, the frequency of said attacks and so on? This seems pretty unique to the soviets since other countries seems to only deploy leaflets in a strategic way (prop. bombs used by the UK and US air forces).

    • @CommitPesticideWorldwide
      @CommitPesticideWorldwide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can you cover why the StugIII AUSF.A had such a cute snub cannon? Also... I can't help but be curious as to what the Fuhrer's thoughts were of such a cute looking "tank-destroyer"?

    • @spitefulwar
      @spitefulwar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I kind of wonder if the early on development and introduction of Leichtgeschütze (Leichtgeschütz 40 and 42) with their effectively sized 10,5cm hollow charge shells would have eased the anti tank troubles. Those guns could have easily fit the Pak 36 carriage.
      And yes I am aware of the drawback that recoilless rifles give away their position quite prominently.

    • @tankdestroyerno.2684
      @tankdestroyerno.2684 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Next the 8.8 cm pak 43 and 12.8 cm pak 44 pls

    • @gwtpictgwtpict4214
      @gwtpictgwtpict4214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@CommitPesticideWorldwide The Stug III was originally designed as a mobile assault gun to provide direct fire support to infantry and so was fitted with the low velocity 7.5 cm L/24 gun to maximise the effectiveness of the HE round. Only later was it fitted with a longer barreled high velocity 7.5 cm that enabled it to take on armour albeit with a loss of effectiveness in the HE round.

  • @SirSilicon
    @SirSilicon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +447

    My Grandfather operated this gun in WWII on the eastern front. He called it PanzerAnklopfKanone. He told me that their gun was so precise (due to the Zeiss optics) that they once shot an enemy sniper out of a tree.

    • @Born2Losenot2win
      @Born2Losenot2win 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      AP shell or anti personnel shell? And with that recoil? Damn… that’s more skill than scope…

    • @SirSilicon
      @SirSilicon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      @@Born2Losenot2win I don't know. He died last year. He was not very talkative about the war. The German Wikipedia says about the PAK 36 that it was often used against infantry in cover if there where no enemy tanks to fight.

    • @Born2Losenot2win
      @Born2Losenot2win 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@SirSilicon oh… my condolences. I can’t imagine how it felt like to leave this planet in 2020 when the world was turning upside down. And yeah I guess it makes sense for someone not to talk about something as depressing as war, especially if they experienced it firsthand. But I guess for spoiled brats like me war is just morbidly thrilling. And it’s interesting to know they used this against infantry when they also had machine guns. But I guess the range on it is far longer than a machine gun. And as you mentioned there’s also the accuracy to consider with their scopes on.

    • @SirSilicon
      @SirSilicon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      @@Born2Losenot2win He was 99 years old so, I think it was time for him to leave this world. For me, it's hard to say. I'm also interested in military history and all the aspects of war and I think it's kind of "natural" for men to have this urge for extreme situations. I think my grandfather always was ambivalent. He was 18 or 19 when he was drafted and he said it was so sucked in by the idea of a new Germany. There was a spirit of "something great is happening" and everybody wanted to be part of it. My Grandfather said once he wanted to join the Wehrmacht because he doesn't want to miss out on the war. I think propaganda did its work. But next to this feeling he saw all the cruelty. He also said that the Nazis stole the best 10 years of his life. (due to his time in POW-camps) Imagine only knowing war and imprisonment in your years between 18 and 28

    • @Born2Losenot2win
      @Born2Losenot2win 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@SirSilicon I see. At least I’m glad he had the chance to experience a better life after all the terrible years in war and POW camp. I hope starting a new family helped him cope with his new life. As a 20 years old just trying to imagine what he went through is hard. It kind of makes me feel grateful to be in college rather than being in a POW camp. Although college life is hard it’s no where near what that man went through when he was my age. I guess war is an ambiguous event so being ambivalent about it makes sense. Different sides view it differently so if someone changes sides I guess being ambivalent about it is a given. Thanks for sharing, also thanks for making me feel less guilty about finding war and war games “fun” lol. Sometimes I can’t help but to question my own taste or my own personality. So a confirmation from someone helps a lot. That’s especially hard to find here in LA, it’s even more rare in colleges. Folks who took psychology and sociology for their general education units won’t even consider a different perspective to war, to a peaceful soul violence always remains violence.

  • @johnpeterson8674
    @johnpeterson8674 3 ปีที่แล้ว +395

    If anti-tank positions are heavily pre-planned, then individual guns readjusting on the spot may compromise the anti-tank network, making blind spots.

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      That would be a problem, but in the case of relocating to a pre-planned secondary position I don't think that is the issue since it would presumably have been considered in planning the secondary position.
      There may be a bit of concern over the gun being temporarily out of action, however again that temporary issue is better than the gun being permanently removed because it didn't move away.
      But I would lean towards the suggested ideas in the video: maintaining morale (both from the other troops seeing the gun withdraw and fr the gun crew getting antsy and moving out early) and minimizing exposure.

    • @davidbrennan660
      @davidbrennan660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Alternative fire positions which are supported as part of a defence in depth scheme is always best.

    • @advorak8529
      @advorak8529 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My take:
      - the morale effect is important (not for nothing troops are told that individual tanks retreating in a battle does not mean they run away … low ammo happens, etc.)
      - the orders state that you move to a secondary fire position when you have fired (and therefore given away your position) or when you have been spotted prematurely (that would mean before firing)
      - as you have NOT been spotted, the incoming fire must be into the general area where the enemy is/might be. Driving you out of position or making you unable to fight the approaching tanks is the pointing the barrage, killing you is a bonus.
      - Besides, relocation means you are much easier to spot because you move (unless you hide 100% behind terrain all the way) … and a spotted AT is soon a dead AT. Which is why you move after shooting or detection.

    • @EricDaMAJ
      @EricDaMAJ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That and I think it’s an admonishment not to reposition during a firefight but to keep firing. Fire volume may count (at least in the writer’s imagination) than chasing optimal positioning or withdrawal to a more tenable position.

    • @mladenmatosevic4591
      @mladenmatosevic4591 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bigger problem is that you are more exposed and visible if you try to move from pre-planned position. If you cannot effectively shoot back, crew should hide in trench till worst passes, then asses situation. Support artillery generally do not shoot one target longer then 2-5min.

  • @ygma1460
    @ygma1460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Finn here, from the country previously owning this individual gun.
    In Winter War we mostly used the Swedish 37mm gun, but in practical terms, I would assume them to be quite similar. This gun was in great demand during Winter War, as it was able to penetrate 99% of Soviet armor, mostly consisting of T-26 and BT series at the time. However, we had pitifully small amount of them available and Germans didn't do us any favours by teaming up with Soviets and preventing all aid from coming to Finland.
    After a relatively quick switch of relationship statuses, Germans became hostile to Soviets and friendly to Finland in a few years. We started to get these guns from Germany, as our previous experience had taught us they were pretty good. However Soviets made this funny little trick called producing T-34 and KV series of tanks now, which this gun couldn't penetrate anymore.
    However the 37mm gun still wasn't as obsolete as it was elsewhere; Plenty of forests and swamps meant only light tanks were able to operate in most parts of the Finnish fronts and it was regarded as a secondary front by the Soviets, so the big heavy new tanks were mostly a German headache and the older light tanks were dumped at the Finnish front.
    And of course the Lappland war, which Finland fought against Germans, didn't involve so much tanks, but the gun was used in its role of applying HE rounds against infantry, which it did as well as always.
    And like all absolutely obsolete weapons, it stayed in service in Finnish military for a long time after that.

  • @ericshelly2518
    @ericshelly2518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +267

    My Opa told me that they would let the tanks drive by to get a flank shot or a rear shot with this gun. He said it was useless in France and really useless in Russia. At times his crew would mount this gun on the prime mover shooting over the cab. They were very happy to get the Marder

    • @samiamrg7
      @samiamrg7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      It was plenty good against the lighter tanks the Russians still fielded in large numbers, hence why those tanks had very high loss rates. Once all those tanks were destroyed though, the heavier tanks were difficult or nearly impossible to destroy with one of these. The heavier tanks still had high loss rates in the early parts of Barbarossa, however, because they broke down a lot and the inexperienced crews often didn’t even know how to do something as simple as change a track and so abandoned many tanks.

    • @TheArklyte
      @TheArklyte 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@samiamrg7 not when you're yourself within a deadly envelope of more powerful 45mm gun. If you want to survive as AT gunner in those times, you'd better stay VERY low and quiet and do exactly as his gramps said, only engage in ambush.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      No, this gun could easily penatrate things like the t-26,bt-7 and t-28 from the front, no need to ambush from the side to be effective. This was more likely done due to similar reasons machine guns are put in positions to 'flank' attacking enemies. When attacking in speed out lines diagonally 'flanking' the unit allows you to more easily switch to new targets (as less horistonal movement is needed)
      Also the armour of soviet tanks in this case was a negative not a positive. The restricted vision of the crew was a severe limitation. Remember also doctrinally Soviets fought with closed hatches. These tanks are essentially blind.

    • @politenessman3901
      @politenessman3901 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@matthiuskoenig3378 It didn't help that for much of the early war the TC was tasked with loading the gun.

    • @fulcrum2951
      @fulcrum2951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@politenessman3901 for the soviets, its mostly firing the gun

  • @markcantemail8018
    @markcantemail8018 3 ปีที่แล้ว +259

    That is a very Nice little Kanone . That would fit right on the Front Porch ,easy to move around , Thank you for the Video .

    • @not2hot99
      @not2hot99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      *perfect for home defense*

    • @ulfpe
      @ulfpe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Good for home defense against bad guys in a car

    • @jonny-b4954
      @jonny-b4954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle Hahah "fox 1" that's what I do when driving behind slow people on interstate. One of those would be great!

  • @Lykyk
    @Lykyk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    Dr. Roman Töppel needs his own symbol in videos.

  • @thefrenchareharlequins2743
    @thefrenchareharlequins2743 3 ปีที่แล้ว +404

    Hans, this is a Panzerabwehrkannon. It abwehrs panzers.

    • @mrgamerguy9104
      @mrgamerguy9104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Yes, Kruger.
      Although the poopenfartenpanzerkampfwagonmarkenfünf is still superior.

    • @cmdrflake
      @cmdrflake 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😸

    • @HellbirdIV
      @HellbirdIV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      "Zis is a Panzerfaust. It fausts panzers."

    • @paulbobenhausen8031
      @paulbobenhausen8031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This hurts me

    • @biddyboy1570
      @biddyboy1570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Zis ist ein Panzershutzenkannon. It shutzes panzers.

  • @angryviking6928
    @angryviking6928 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    The chainsword=penetration symbol is an underrated highlight

    • @mikeromney4712
      @mikeromney4712 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thats what I like so much....all that funny eastereggs in the symbols......:)

    • @angryviking6928
      @angryviking6928 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mikeromney4712 agree. Excellent, professional content with a serious tone, yet still finds room for some good quality meme

  • @opesam
    @opesam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Ok, I snorted my drink at the "Cavalry branch" icon... 🤣

    • @SneakyShika
      @SneakyShika 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That caught me off guard

    • @suisid4202
      @suisid4202 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      6:39: Rainbow Dash.

    • @hafiy2727abd
      @hafiy2727abd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@suisid4202 yep that is rainbow dash

    • @suisid4202
      @suisid4202 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Regenbogen-Strich".

  • @keithrosenberg5486
    @keithrosenberg5486 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    My late great Uncle had his Sherman knocked out by one of the HEAT rounds in mid-November 1944.. He was injured but later returned to duty.

  • @anders3322
    @anders3322 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The last sentence of Punkt 84 could be in consideration to the philosophy of fire and manoeuvre. I was taught that sometimes your only protection is your own weight of fire and if you cease fire in order to get to more cover the enemy gets the initiative and might end up suppressing you so that you can’t get another shot off. In short we where told not to take cover, but instead return fire and protect ourselves with “lead in the air”. Does that make sense?
    So sometimes you have protection from the terrain, sometimes it is your movement that protects you and sometimes it is your own fire that protects you. Evading the enemies fire gives up the initiative.

    • @nebojsag.5871
      @nebojsag.5871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I figured out "fire and maneuver" a few years ago while playing paintball.

  • @capion5014
    @capion5014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    I suspect the repositioning thing in the face of tanks is rather due to one of the holy principles of the german army (still in use today and the bane of poor recruits everywhere): "Keine Querbewegung zum Feind" - "no movement perpendicular to the enemy". Its such a commandment that its quite possible nobody remembers its origin, but its probably because such movement is very noticeable. Not good for ambushes.

    • @fluffly3606
      @fluffly3606 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Can't help but think about how movement perpendicular to the enemy is usually ideal in surface naval warfare and giggle, even though that fact is irrelevant to the doctrine's wisdom given the very different setting

    • @classifiedad1
      @classifiedad1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fluffly3606 Germans traditionally were land powers, be it Austrians, Prussians, or Germans.

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Of course, the thing we must note is that this 1938 source is pre-war, when the Wehrmacht is still expecting the PAKs to be fundamentally a defensive weapon devoted to fighting tanks. As noted by the reports at 10:30, about how the PAK units liked the performance of the gun with high-explosive ammunition, PAKs were quickly employed as supplemental infantry guns, being moved up to support infantry attacks as leaving mobile weapons idle was generally frowned on by Germans on the attack. Indeed, fundamental to Rommel's success in the desert was the ability of PAKs to function as additional mobile direct-fire weapons, working in concert with Panzer movements to support each other with accurate shell-fire against targets of all kinds both static and mobile.

    • @gregquinn9429
      @gregquinn9429 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It may be simply a factor of no longer having the shield in front of you - lateral movement makes the shield no longer between you and the bullets - forward movement, you still need to lift the trails, tilting the shield downward while standing up straight and exposed. Also not as scary to infantry as the 20mm autocannons that could also be pushed around.

    • @Salesman9001
      @Salesman9001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was thinking that too as moving perpendicular creates excellent target to human eye, a giant pls shoot me sign if you will. I was taught to always retreat to concealment, then move perpendicularly before advancing to next position.. which might be bit hard to accomplish with Pak36 in timely manner (never mind bigger AT guns).

  • @derblablablachannel
    @derblablablachannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I assume the last sentence should clear out any misunderstandings. Moving to alternate position hast to be carried out not when being engaged, but only before the firefight of the gun has been spotted oder afterwards.
    The purpose of „wechselstellungen“ is not to withdraw under pressure, but to avoid being spotted. So moving to the wechselstellung while under fire can be seen as pointless, becaus the gun can be tracked

    • @redspark2009
      @redspark2009 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, breaking cover in the middle of an attack and exposing the crew seem like a bad idea.

    • @derblablablachannel
      @derblablablachannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@redspark2009 haha :D
      yeah, but under certain circumstances wthdrawing under pressure can be a smart thing to to. Although, "Lösen vom feind" and "Kämpfend ausweichen" have slight but not insignificant differences (at least in modern tactics)

    • @mikeromney4712
      @mikeromney4712 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      .....bleeding from his face and half deaf, Kanonier Müller smashed the button and hit the Sherman right into the lower plate, just as the tank was about to mill the Pak into the ground.......^^

    • @LawtonDigital
      @LawtonDigital 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One of the characteristics of a good alternate firing position is that it enables the crew to relocate their gun while remaining under cover.

    • @mikeromney4712
      @mikeromney4712 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LawtonDigital This would be an ideal case in a short break after a firefight, but during the firefight, the Pak must fire - even under worst conditions....The bridgehead of Abbeville was such an scenario....a terrible bloodletting for the Panzerjäger with their insufficient Pak 36 against heavy and medium French tanks...but they managed to hold partialy the positions and helped to prevent a burgeoning panic amongst the German infantery, until the famous two 8,8cm took over.....

  • @dlifedt
    @dlifedt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    As a long-time WW2 buff, I learn the most from your review of tactics + manuals.
    This is usually omitted in history books and games. Thanks!!

  • @novkorova2774
    @novkorova2774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Didn't even know this existed, I was watching yesterday band of brothers episode 3 and saw the projectile being fired, had no clue what it was. What a coincidence, I really appreciate the work you do.

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      yeah, I remember that scene, well, kinda. It was in / next to Carentan right?

    • @wojo44frompl
      @wojo44frompl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized It was during American assault on Carentan, few minutes after clearing Cafe.

    • @GrimFaceHunter
      @GrimFaceHunter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MilitaryHistoryVisualized I thought it was PAW600, and they just overblown the size of the projectile for better visual effect.

    • @capion5014
      @capion5014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That was a Püppchen, 8,8 cm rocket launcher, based on the 2.8 cm sPzB 41. Standard equipment of the Fallschirmjäger who defended Carentan. Same principle though.

    • @Unknown1355
      @Unknown1355 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@capion5014 It was a 36 th-cam.com/video/MFvQjDx0Z0k/w-d-xo.html

  • @thebigone6071
    @thebigone6071 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    These videos are so informative and educational! I learn something new every time I watch one! You’re the greatest ever Bernhard!!!!!

  • @looinrims
    @looinrims 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Is the suspect reposition line (16:45) a reference/informative to the studying soldier how tanks are blind despite their firepower so you shouldn’t attempt to evade suppression fire and instead just keep pounding the enemy tanks in an effort to put the tank crew on the back foot?
    I remember chieftain said during his soviet armor doctrine about the Spanish civil war that the T-26 crews could hardly see the anti tank guns since they were so small, which would suggest the best thing for the crew isn’t to move but to stand and fight and try to understand the whole “they can’t see us that well”
    Staying hidden helps too with the lack of muzzle brake as you mentioned

  • @meanmanturbo
    @meanmanturbo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    13:00 so it it is an oversized rifle grenade, thats an image.

    • @CATASTEROID934
      @CATASTEROID934 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly! It's a spigot mortar like the large 200 and 300mm engineering petard launchers, Panzergewehrgranate and the *enormous* versions fitted to the barrel of 150mm SIG 33 guns

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just like how tank ammo is oversized rifle bullets, yeah

  • @Darkinist
    @Darkinist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watched for interest in antique artillery. I left with a lesson in Deutsch. Danke! Always love your vids for the depth.

  • @gabrielcooper1248
    @gabrielcooper1248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Can you do something on the LeFh18 and Sfh18 in direct fire anti tank role? If it was even used in that role.
    There's very little information out there

  • @markovainola9318
    @markovainola9318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Greetings frrom Finland, thank you for great videos. About the effect of antitank guns changing position in Finland Stug crews reported that when they left the front to replenish their ammunition load in the summer of 1944 the infantry many times interpreted their leaving as a retreat eventhough they were only out of ammo.

  • @thomasglessner6067
    @thomasglessner6067 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great presentation. I liked the text from the training texts. Especially the warning regarding abandoning the gun during battle. You do a great job researching the topics. Thank you for your efforts.

  • @jonesfutech5873
    @jonesfutech5873 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just visited the museum today and saw all the Pak guns. It was awesome! Thanks for the extra info on the topic.

  • @RMMLz
    @RMMLz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    MHV in 2040: I was at the @Daspanzermuseum in 2020, now let's have a look at this Panzer :D
    Great video tho, keep it up!

  • @vonneely1977
    @vonneely1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My own experience in WW2OL was thus: Yes, the Pak36 is useless when used against tanks. However, when facing armored cars, armored trucks and other light vehicles it can't be beat because it actually has the manuverability needed to operate against and track fast moving targets. It's low profile and small size also makes it good at ambushes; in fact it could almost be considered a "hit and run" ATG, as crazy at that sounds.

  • @captainhurricane5705
    @captainhurricane5705 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a bit late to the party but hopefully you see this. In regards to 12:40 I came across this when reading 11th Army Anlagen 23.3 - 31.3.42 in regards to the Stielgranate 41 (I presume!) -
    Stielgranate für 3,7 cm Pak einschl. Merkblatt muß unbedingt gemeimgehalten werden und darf keinesfalls in Feindeshand fallen. Hierzu wird befohlen:
    1.) Höchstausstattung je Geschütz in jedem Fall 3 Granaten.
    2.) Vernichtung der Munition bei Feindbedrohung falls Vershuß durch Ausfall des Geschützes night möglich (Handgranate!)
    3.) Eingehende Belehrungen der Geschützbedienungen aller unterstellter Pz.Jäger-Einheiten uber besondere Geheimhaltung der Munition und Durchführung der Vernichtung gem. 2.)...
    AOK 11, 1a Nr. 1252/42 geh

  • @jeroylenkins1745
    @jeroylenkins1745 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    18:20 This is still a common practice. With 105mm howitzers in Canada if there is no time to dig in the spades or the ground is hard the gun detachment members will apply their bodyweight to the draw bar and handspike on the end of the trails above the spades and "ride in the spades" to help them seat better into the ground. You can see the handspike and drawbar clearly hear when they run up the gun.
    th-cam.com/video/57lvD2MA-BY/w-d-xo.html

    • @trouserarmadillo8616
      @trouserarmadillo8616 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As a fellow “King of Battle” from Marine Corps of your neighbors to the south, just wanted to add that the Marine Corps Times (newspaper) rated 0811, Cannoneer, as the hardest job in the Corps. People don’t understand how beautiful, and how labor intensive, artillery is. It was funny to see all the gun crews drop in their spot asleep the second the gun line went cold!!

  • @christopherg2347
    @christopherg2347 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    16:00 There is the Morale impact. There is the vulnerability impact on other troops.
    But there is also the moral of the guncrew: If they could retreat, they might instead of staying and fighting. But then nobody else would engage the tanks. Meaning the tanks are not pinned down and could rush ahead, overrunning the tank teams.
    One of Tzun Tzus lessons is: "Sometimes to only way to win and thus survive, is to give up all hope of survival."

  • @billmiller4972
    @billmiller4972 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine that some years later the MK-103 was firing 3 cm shells at 400 rounds/min with even higher velocity.

  • @CallumF22
    @CallumF22 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video as always

  • @blackedelweiss601
    @blackedelweiss601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    everybody's a badass until a 3.7cm round hits them in the kneecap...

    • @russellborn515
      @russellborn515 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "I used to be an adventurer like you...."

  • @MGB-learning
    @MGB-learning 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding video and presentation.

  • @hafiy2727abd
    @hafiy2727abd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    LoL from 6:40 the calvary branch has a pony

  • @youngkim5909
    @youngkim5909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Knock knock
    Who's there?
    Pak 36
    Pak 36 who?
    PANZERABWEHRKANONE 36

  • @blorblor5438
    @blorblor5438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think that in order to understand the part about no Stellungswechsel during the firefight it might help to think of the 13th and in this case 14th company as remnants or inheritors of the world war one Feldartillerie detachements that were send forward to help the infantry if it couldnt win fire superiority by itself.
    In my eyes this commandement is about fire superiority, too. Stellungswechsel in this case would equal being supressed and a supressed defence is ripe for the assault.
    On the contrary an attack that has to engage in a firefight is an attack not moving forward and in the case of tanks in plain sight of heavy artillery forward observers you can imagine the rest.
    So in the greater scheme your PAK being shot at might be considered a good thing (not by the guns crew obviously but hence the order not to evade).
    The thoroughly designed gun shields of PAK 36 and IG 18 speak for themselves when evaluating 1930s german imagination of the infantry regiment in combat.

  • @hullebikerfishing
    @hullebikerfishing 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I lived at Unnenkamp, next door to the Panzer Museum in late 70s. i used to love hearing the tanks starting up and running!

  • @thedolt9215
    @thedolt9215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a very good presentation. I find it interesting that although you have a very heavy German accent, your English is very understandable for me. Keep up the great work!

  • @Robban.D.Jonsson.
    @Robban.D.Jonsson. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    -yet any errors are my own.
    That's refreshing, I didn't realize people could own up to the possibility of having made a mistake, anymore.

    • @grognard23
      @grognard23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He is a historian, not a politician... the latter are folks who are generally, at least in their own minds, incapable of error or at least of admitting it.

    • @Robban.D.Jonsson.
      @Robban.D.Jonsson. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@grognard23 I agree that used the be the case, but these days it seems to be the case with most any public figure.

  • @FutureCanadaBlue
    @FutureCanadaBlue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That Cavalry Branch logo at 6:39...Mein Gott!

    • @DeadPollo
      @DeadPollo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Meine Kleine Pony: Wehrmacht is Magische

    • @M.M.83-U
      @M.M.83-U 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wonderfull, is'nt it?

    • @hafiy2727abd
      @hafiy2727abd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But it is kinda weird to calvary branch logo as they put rainbow dash

  • @jim99west46
    @jim99west46 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A friend of mine built a full size firing copy of the pak37. For ammo he fired Chevrolet v8 pistons. Worked great!

  • @zulubeatz1
    @zulubeatz1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So good to hear German military words and phrases pronounced correctly. If slightly disturbing. I could also listen to the word Vehicle all day. Outstanding series by all accounts. Some of my family actually used this stuff.

  • @vennijesperi
    @vennijesperi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The text on the gun is Finnish and says "peruskorjattu" directly translated that would be basically fixed but it means basic maintenance.

  • @w0lfgm
    @w0lfgm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Antitank positions are heavily camouflaged and has highest priority . Moving gun around is like painting the target on their backs.

  • @Gronicle1
    @Gronicle1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another good video. Thank you. I had the pleasure of running one of these guns some decades ago at a meet in West Germany. As a machinist, I was a bit surprised at how smooth and controllable the gearing in the aming controls was. They wouldn't let me fire it, dang!

  • @360Nomad
    @360Nomad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *Knock Knock*
    Who's there?
    *PAK*
    PAK who?
    *no response, the door just explodes*

  • @daseladi
    @daseladi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Professionally made.

  • @alex_zetsu
    @alex_zetsu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the explanation of the evolution of the term "Panzer." I wish you'd do what you did in the older videos where you'd read the German text first and then the translation.

  • @Grashan
    @Grashan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The USA also had a "doorknocker"- the 155 mm Gun Motor Carriage M12, so named because when fired at the front of a bunker it would smash the bunker and knock down the back door.

  • @CruelDwarf
    @CruelDwarf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want to note that ineffectiveness of Pak 36 against T-34 is often overstated. This reputation was most likely caused by the fact that Soviet light tanks were vulnerable to AT fire at most viable combat ranges while T-34s and KVs weren't. But in the same time Soviets collected data from 1941 and early 1942 was that around 15 to 20% of examined T-34s had penetrations from 37 mm shells (mostly to the lower side hull behind the road wheels, so presumably relatively close range shots). They also noted that driver hatch was vulnerable to 37 mm shells as it tended to flew of hinges after a hit or two.
    So I tend to read 'ineffectiveness' as not 'cannot penetrate armor' but as 'close range engagements and careful position was required to engage heavier armor'.

  • @Whitedeath24
    @Whitedeath24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God job in terms of pronounciation of the finnish words on that fella, i just love to see a piece of history from my country in a foreign museum 😎🇫🇮🇫🇮

  • @ramal5708
    @ramal5708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am here from Band of Brothers part 3 where Sgt. Lipton was wounded by the Pak36 shell

  • @1337fraggzb00N
    @1337fraggzb00N 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It sure can... Pak a punch **ba dum tss**
    **crickets and tumbleweed**
    😢

  • @katrinbranke2272
    @katrinbranke2272 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice Video
    Die Aussprache is so viel besser als bei den ganzen anderen Englischen Videos.
    Greetings from Germany

  • @tomsoki5738
    @tomsoki5738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Compact enough for home defence!

  • @tsalesto
    @tsalesto 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finland received the first examples (50 pcs.) of the gun in the spring of 1940, 100 pcs. at September 1940 and 100 pcs. in June 1941. That gun has been overhauled (essentially rebuilt), or supply depot repaired, in Feb. 1944. It may have been later used in June-July of 1944 to counter massed Soviet attacks, but it also might have been in storage or in training use after the repair.

  • @wolfganggugelweith8760
    @wolfganggugelweith8760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This cannon would even kill a Sasquatch.

  • @GroundGame.
    @GroundGame. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I always wondered what this was in Band Of Brothers, when they stormed that French town. Nice!

    • @capion5014
      @capion5014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      almost, but that was this: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/8,8-cm-Raketenwerfer_43

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It wasn't Nice, it was Carentan :)

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@capion5014 No, in the Carentan Episode they used a PaK 35 with Stielgranate 41 ammunition. They may have use what you linked at some point as well but they definitely used this.

  • @draco84oz
    @draco84oz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting...the AT gun the Germans were using at the end of WW1 was the 3.7cm TaK 1918, which was also made by Rheinmetall. I wonder how much mechanical similarity there was between the two guns?

    • @andilucas6926
      @andilucas6926 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Almost certainly none, since the WW1 TAK was essentially a conversion of a single barrel taken from an old 3.7cm Revolverkanone (a hand-cranked five-barreled 19th century weapon for the close defence of fortresses). Its mounting was likewise a conversion, based on a light Minenwerfer carriage. The gun was directly fixed to the carriage, with no recoil system and simple iron sights! Perfectly adequate in 1918, but nothing to emulate in a gun produced under non-emergency conditions in the 1920s...

  • @sqike001ton
    @sqike001ton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i think the hollow charge round would be a good weapon to keep around its always good to have AT option even if your gun is primarily good agonist hard targets

  • @ducomaritiem7160
    @ducomaritiem7160 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I liked the "Warhammer Chainsword" icon used for Penetration! I also seriously consider to change my name to dr. Roman Töppel.

  • @chuckhutfles440
    @chuckhutfles440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Help! I have yet to find out why some of the German AT guns (75mm or PAK 40 ) had 2 crew shields, one behind the other? Was this spaced armor or was it for something else?
    Please answer if you know.

  • @Little_Sams_Top_Guy
    @Little_Sams_Top_Guy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cannons like this are the perfect size to pull behind a truck to take on a day shooting

  • @Thing.of.nought
    @Thing.of.nought 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Oh god, his Finnish pronunciation was hilarious!

    • @Lukeee91
      @Lukeee91 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mahtava suoritus Itävaltalaiselle :D

  • @Autobotmatt428
    @Autobotmatt428 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember seeing this in episode 3 of Band of brothers

  • @peceed
    @peceed 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tank attack is very quick. When you try to relocate your gun, it is a net victory for the attackers, because it is one defender less. When gun is under attack, its crew has to shoot as long as possible - there are chances that attacking tank will be destroyed.

  • @stevekaczynski3793
    @stevekaczynski3793 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Pak 36 was pretty effective in the Spanish Civil War against the Soviet T-26 encountered there. Since Franco's side was short of tanks, and the tankettes the Italians brought were quite vulnerable, this was just as well.

  • @jameslawrie3807
    @jameslawrie3807 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A consistent observation in tank diaries and regulations are that AT guns are "practically invisible" until they open fire. If a gun is to be moved it loses this protection.

  • @strike5029
    @strike5029 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    71. (2)... better known as bore sighting when looking through the barrel.

  • @logoseven3365
    @logoseven3365 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video

  • @andrebartels1690
    @andrebartels1690 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe the prohibition of movement during battle was due to the fact, that a gun in position has a chance to fire at the enemy and thus survive whilst a moving gun is not firing at the enemy for quite some time and has no chance of self defence whatsoever. The other point is, that probably all tractor vehicles raised higher than the gun itself. Moving the gun would render all camouflage useless.

  • @silverjohn6037
    @silverjohn6037 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ref 06:43 (top right) I didn't know they had air cavalry units in WW 2;).

  • @RenMagnum4057
    @RenMagnum4057 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would be nice if you did a series about the Roman Manual, Strategikon

  • @andygeary3531
    @andygeary3531 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey buddy, quick question in case you know the answer.
    Can TOW guided missiles miss or be evaded?

    • @cascadianrangers728
      @cascadianrangers728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wire guided missles are best defeated by hanging lots of loose razor wire, it's quite easy for a tow or any other wire guided weapon to break the wire(s) or lose connection between the missle and launcher...power lines, fencing, heavy vegetation can all cut the wire and cause the missle to go off target...but if the wire doesn't break, the tow gunner can use it to control and aim the missle in flight, so tows can follow moving targets or change targets in a split second, they're relatively fast missles too, not much you can do to either run or hide, and the only way to avoid it would be extreme speed, but you're not going to out run a missle unless you have a really great head start!
      The tow is still in use today, even though it's so old, because of how effective it is, and how difficult it is to evade
      Every once in a while, a tow will drift off target, drop straight to the ground, explode in midflight, or otherwise malfunction and misfire, but because you can keep adjusting and aiming the missle up until impact, it's pretty hard to miss with a tow!

    • @L963-h9r
      @L963-h9r 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Of course they can miss if the gunner makes a mistake, they are still effected by the human element after all. Additionally if the tank notices the launch, it can deploy a smoke screen and then move away. Lastly there are active systems that basically jam the guidance unit of the missile, leading to it loosing control if tried to fly towards a tank using such systems.

  • @robertl6196
    @robertl6196 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The US bought a few examples of the PaK 36, then produced an equivalent weapon. Out in the Pacific Theater, it was perfectly adequate vs Japanese armor. The HE and canister shells were also handy.

  • @Greenz0ne
    @Greenz0ne 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    - "This would require the loader to expose himself"
    Well that's awfully rude of him don't you think?

  • @ChairmanKam
    @ChairmanKam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    14:50 Thanks! That was a great joke.

  • @pauln2661
    @pauln2661 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Knock knock! Who's there? Panzer! Panzer who? Panzer Grenadier coming through!

  • @greyguy9550
    @greyguy9550 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice, thanks for the vid informative as always. For a future video how about a video on the Raketenwerfer, would be interesting to see how they used Rockets for AT?

    • @letoubib21
      @letoubib21 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean the _Puppchen?_

  • @Tallus_ap_Mordren
    @Tallus_ap_Mordren 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I loved the Rainbow Dash cameo! Though wouldn’t Pegasi be Luftwaffe?

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I considered leaving a comment,
    but then i realised i had to up-armor my door.🚪

  • @CZ350tuner
    @CZ350tuner 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would be great if you did a video on the 50mm. PaK.37.
    The 50mm. L.42 PaK.37 used the same chassis and looks identical. the only give away is the larger muzzle bore.
    The 50mm. PaK.37 was intended to provide an equivalence with the dual purpose 47mm. light anti-tank & infantry guns in service with other nations, such as the Austria Bohler, Dutch Siderious & Belgian FN.
    The 50mm. PaK.37 offered just only slightly more performance against armour than the 37mm. PaK.36.
    The 50mm. PaK.37 fired a 4.5 Pound HE shell.
    Withdrawn from frontline combat in 1942, it served with rear echelon, depot defence & anti-partisan units.
    Just over 2,000 were produced before production ceased in 1940, as the barrels & breechblocks were required for the 50mm. L.42 KwK.37 on the Pz.III.F, Pz.III.G & Pz.III.H models.

  • @paulfribbs8516
    @paulfribbs8516 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A pleasure as always with your insightful explorations. From a skeptical A Hole ;p )

  • @bigsmoke7357
    @bigsmoke7357 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the most german way to knock a door

  • @johnsmith1474
    @johnsmith1474 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got into a heated argument at the gym with a US Navy Intelligence officer and survival trainer over wars and conflict. He barked at me, "Nobody cares about WW1 or WW2, everything is going to be cyber!" I told him his problem was that at 35 he was a kid, and that he ought to do some reading.

    • @e.a.corral4713
      @e.a.corral4713 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Needs to read to get intelligent?

  • @MBP1918
    @MBP1918 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting design

  • @urosmarkovic6535
    @urosmarkovic6535 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    WHEN YOU RE FINALLY HAD ENOUGH OF THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT KEEP THEIR DOORS SHUT AT HALLOWEEN

  • @williamschlenger1518
    @williamschlenger1518 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of my favorite guns of ww2

  • @thewitch7342
    @thewitch7342 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    13:20 that's some strenght user ap 0 damage 1 +1 attacks weapon level of penetration
    not the best but i'll take it over most other weapons of the same class

  • @mattheweagles5123
    @mattheweagles5123 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd guess that the prohibition on moving under fire is because it will makes you easy to spot (just because one tank has spotted you doesn't mean that the rest have) and more vulnerable to incoming fire.

  • @chrism2027
    @chrism2027 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really impressive contribution, as such it was a good idea in itself to improve the gun so that you could do something with the Doorknocker, something else with the rest of the guns, but you drove with the 7.5 cm Pack 40 caliber Of course better, the range and penetration line are much higher and you could fight all common Ally Tank with.

  • @styx4947
    @styx4947 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They probably conducted troop trials in the USSR. Considering that Germany, because of the restrictions of the Versailles treaty. The infant Luftwaffe did the same in the early 1920's.

  • @Charon-5582
    @Charon-5582 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The poor guys laying on the trail spades to absorb the recoil... that would really suck.

  • @kimjanek646
    @kimjanek646 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    16:40 I think that's it. Basically, if you are under fire from an enemy tank attack, there's no point in moving the gun since either it can deal with the tanks, or if not, the gun is most likely lost anyway.

  • @steffenrosmus9177
    @steffenrosmus9177 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nickname was
    " Heeresanklopfgeraet" means military knocking device.

  • @dlifedt
    @dlifedt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 15:48, I assume "recognized ahead of time" means the "need to move gun recognized ahead of time", not "gun detected by enemy"?

    • @davydovua
      @davydovua 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup, this seems correct.

  • @Ralphieboy
    @Ralphieboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Schütze" in this context is better translated as "gunner" instead of "rifleman".

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I go with "cannoneer" as you can see with crew layout, gunner is usually the "Richtschütze".

    • @Ralphieboy
      @Ralphieboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gun crewman.

    • @MilitaryHistoryVisualized
      @MilitaryHistoryVisualized  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      cannoneer was US Army WW2 terminology check the FM in the description.

  • @BusbyBiscuits
    @BusbyBiscuits 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The penetration image is a bit odd... FOR THE EMPEROR!

  • @aimanazmi458
    @aimanazmi458 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    how to make sure nobody ignores the knocking on their door

  • @happyspaceplumber840
    @happyspaceplumber840 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:09 Just a small side note: Hitler himself (I had noticed this when I first heard it) in his accidentally recorded conversation with Mannerheim spoke of 35000 "tanks" that Russia had brought up. He also was not very consistent with the panzer/tank thing.
    Edit: Here the source for those who don't know this imo interesting conversation: /watch?v=P9AVu6KupNg
    Great video btw! As always :)