I'm going to go out on a limb here here and propose that the Sioux never did a land acknowledgement after they wrested the Black Hills from the Crow (ditto, the Turks, Zulus, Pakistanis, Aztecs, Mongols, and Maori after their bloody takeovers).
Not sure what your point is here. Just because native American tribes had their own wars and conquests prior to Europeans stealing their lands from them doesn't justify the latter.
@@HabaneroTiIt means it’s the way of the world. Should we expect all those groups to constantly express their guilt or is that only confined to Europeans? The Turks have open designs on parts of Syria right now. Or is this, in essence, virtue signaling meant to undermine the West. Because Islamist groups are very clear about their intentions.
@@BawlmawrBob Well, on the one hand yes, this has been going on for as long as people have organized into tribes and nations. But on the other hand, that doesn't excuse it, when injustices are being committed. And when and where it's possible to stop, prevent, reverse or compensate for unjust land captures, it should be attempted. Whether between native tribes, the US and various tribes, Russia and Ukraine, or Israel and Palestinians. I'd only add that there's a lot of nonsense going around about alleged land thefts vs actual ones. No "indigenous" land was stolen or illegally settled and "colonized" by Zionist settlers prior to 1948. It was all legally purchased and settled, almost always land that wasn't inhabited at the time, or at most by illegal squatters. For example, Tel Aviv was mostly uninhabited sand dunes north of Jaffa when its land was purchased and settled by Zionists in the early 20th century, and no one was displaced, no land stolen. At the time Jaffa was predominantly Arab and while some Jews did settle there--legally--it was just too small and dense for them to do so in large numbers, so they looked north for fresh, unused land. Yes, it gets complicated after 1948, with many indigenous Arabs fleeing or being pushed out by Israeli forces. But that's what happens in all wars, and it happened to Jews as well at the time, both in the lands allocated to Arabs by the 1947 UN partition plan, and to those who lived in Arab countries, over 850,000 of whom were forced to leave, yet no one calls that a "Nakba" even though it clearly is. And Israel didn't start that war. It gets even more complicated after 1967, but you get the gist.
the world is very different now. presumably better, but not really as so many people don't want a just world, just a might is right, law of the jungle world. A pox on ALL your houses!
@@BawlmawrBob We Assyrians are ingenious people of the historical Assyria which is located northern Iraq, south turkey Not only our land was divided between 2 countries but right now the historical part is controlled by kurds moslems after chasing us out for at least the last 500 years till today yet America and the whole west including isreal are supporting them ,even they call our land kurd stan Which means the land of the kurds, despite we have been living on our land continuous since 4000 years before BC
The root problem with settler colonial theory, as i see it, is that it’s explicitly collectivist. Collectivism is the idea that groups, not individuals are the real, metaphysical unit to be analysed, and the moral standard of value when making moral judgments. Collectivists will argue that “America” committed the sin of colonialism and therefore “America” should write this wrong by paying reparations for instance. This language is deliberate but irrational and it obscures the truth. “America” is an abstract concept, which can be used to refer to a certain number of people living in a geographical place at a particular point it time. “America” in 1750 is not the same as “america” in 2025, and clearly the Americans/Europeans living in 1750 are not the same as those living in present day United States. But the collectivists don’t want people thinking in such clear terms. “America” committed these crimes, so “america” bears the sins of colonialism, so *any* and *all* Americans subsumed under “america” as part of the intergenerational collective must be held accountable, and pay for the sins that they share in. The solution is to apply methodological individualism to this analysis: Individuals are separate independent entities with moral agency and therefore are responsible for their own actions, not the actions of others. Therefore individuals do not share in the actions - the crimes or achievements - of others, or of a group merely because they happen to share the same skin colour or nationality or place of birth as other members of the group. All the people who committed atrocities on either side of the conflict between Europeans and “native” Americans are responsible for their own actions - and they’re all long dead. Nobody alive today is responsible for the sins of their ancestors; most American’s alive today do not even have ancestors going back to colonialism because they are descendants of immigrants who arrived in America long after colonialism took place. It is morally unjust to accuse, blame or hold responsible any living american for the crime of colonialism. But those pushing settler colonial ideology have a deep hatred toward America, the values of the founding fathers, and therefore most Americans alive today. They want to replace constitutional republicanism and capitalism with some form of statism, with themselves in charge of the state, and they want to be able control people and therefore try to evoke a strong sense of guilt in innocent Americans, which enables that control. But people alive today have nothing to feel guilty about on this issue. In addition, it is also worth applying methodological individualism to the case of the “native” Americans to, who are in fact not a monolithic collective. There existed hundreds of different “native” nomadic tribes at the time all over the continent and they were largely at war with each other, not just European settlers. In fact many tribes worked with the Europeans to help conduct conflicts with other tribes. It’s not like all of the tribes together lived in harmony and shared collectively in the ownership of an entire continent. Property is not held collectively. I’m British. The British people do not collectively owned the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is a territory of land in which one government is sovereign and has legal jurisdiction over the land and the people residing there. The territory itself comprises of privately owned property, government owned property and unowned land. No individual Briton can claim that since they come from a long line of Britons dating back to the 10th century that they share in the collective ownership of the British isles. That is not how property ownership works. You own what you produce, what you trade for and what you inherit from another property owners. That’s it. Likewise, Native Americans collectively cannot own a continent. The only property they owned where the possessions that they made, traded for or inherited from friends and family. Even this is not totally accurate becuase the native Americans were both tribal and nomadic, so most property was shared by the tribe and control of it resided in the tribal chief. Moreover, land was not really owned because the native Americans never settled on one spot of land. Whereas European colonies had people who actually fixed themselves to plots of land which they cultivated for years, thereby making unowned property private property. There are a lot of fallacies pushed by the advocates of settler colonialism. One of the best books that I’ve read which counters these fallacies is a book by Tom Bowden called The Enemies of Christopher Columbus. Check it out.
WRITE this wrong? A lot of words there from a settler who fears going back to Ukraine and letting the indigenous world heal from the plague scourge of Indo-European terrorist rapist refugees
Oh yes, settler colonialism is great - for the settler colonizers! Settler colonization has NEVER been good for the colonized - EVER! In general, settler colonization destroys the original settlers and often erases them from the face of the earth entirely. Just look at Palestine.
Except Britain recognized that native peoples DID own the land they were on AND had sovereignty over those lands AND had fundamental rights to their self-determination and ways of life and governance by their own customs and traditions as far back as the 1763 proclamation of Canada and more definitively in 1837 with the report of the parliamentary inquiry into the situation of 'aboriginals' in British settlements. It's just the colonizers completely ignored what Britain thought and said. But Britain did recognize native rights and acknowledged the genocidal harm colonization did to native people - and that was in 1837! But the colonies gave Britain and the colonial office the big middle finger, and America, being independent from 1776 could do what it wanted, and what it wanted was to exterminate the natives and steal all their land and to hell what anyone thought. Oh yes, what a wonderful legacy. AND colonization and genocide is NOT history. It's an going structure and process that is alive today as the day the invasion and colonial disaster began. FACTS.
So, I guess you're saying the white European British way of doing things is the ONLY way and all other ways are wrong and abnormal and primitive and stupid? I find that just a teeny bit arrogant. I must say along with its benefits the individualistic rampant capitalist anti-spiritual dog eat dog system has produced endless evils. Not the least of which is a world filled with lonely, depressed, bitter, hateful people, full of despair and alienation, greed, envy, jealousy and bloodlust against anything not like them.
Kirsch, a short definition would be: It's a way of claiming that a country is illegitimate; the earlier possessors supposedly being the legitimate sovereigns.
Russ should do a podcast episode on the 80th anniversary of United Nations sometime this year. April Gallart is a Director UN Mission Relations and Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) coordinator. She attends CSW every year and coordinates United Families International (UFI) pro-family organization team member visits with delegations from around the world. 🗣️📢🔥
Yet most of you support kurds grabbing our land with full support of your government,. You left your land for 2000 years And claimed it 70vyears ago, as to us we never left the land
Except that Jews are in fact indigenous to the region, there has literally not been a period since antiquity in which there wasn't a Jewish presence there, and while there were other ethnic groups that were there even earlier, like the Canaanites and Philistines, none still exist as a distinct group. So, comparisons to the colonization of the Americas, Australia and NZ are imperfect at best.
@@khubza8999 Jews are an ethnic as much as religious group, unlike Christians or Muslims, and ethnically, via DNA testing, has long since proved that most Jews, wherever their more recent ancestors came from, Europe, North Africa, the mideast or elsewhere, are at least 50% descended from ancient Jews. That's how. Plus, although it's not legally relevant, even on a religious basis, Judaism clearly comes from this region, beyond any serious dispute, just as Christianity does, and Islam from Arabia. You can argue opinions, but not facts.
I support Israel because I think their enemies are genocidal but this idea that Russ Roberts and Adam Kirsch are “indigenous” to what is now called Israel is laughable.
@@khubza8999 I explained, yet the channel or YT deleted the reply. Not going to bother posting it again. YT commenting is insane, as is its content approval process.
Thanks. It would have been interesting for you to discuss the issue of what to do about radical Zionists in the West Bank because in terms of current events they are closest thematically (and morally) with the settler-colonial movements of centuries past, and with attitudes of Jewish superiority. Also, don't forget that the slogan "From the River to the Sea" began as a Likud slogan.
The territories are separate from Israel proper. Different history, legalities and standards. But you are correct to qualify these Zionists as "radical", because most are not.
Human history is marked by human waves which displaced or swamped an earlier, less powerful group. Humans displacing Neanderthals is arguably the first, but then about 8,000 years ago a wave from Central Asia swept over Western Europe - recent genetic studies have shown that most of the DNA of current west Europeans including white Americans came from these people from central Asia. Similar waves occurred more recently in Africa (Bantus), the Han Chinese, etc. In the Western Hemisphere similar waves were common. England saw Celts and Picts pushed out by Anglo-Saxon who then were conquered by the Normans. When there are multiple waves of "settlers" how far back do you go?
To plague spreading settler terrorists fleeing Ukraine and killing indigenous Europeans. So 5000 years ago when these settlers claimed to have started civilization. Not that hard unless you love squatting on stolen land and acting like we couldn't possibly figure out how to go back to Ukraine. Devil doesn't exist but you people do.
True. The other piece to this is that in modern society with modern conceptions of morality, we also recognize that taking land by conquest is wrong. I agree land acknowledgements are performative and futile. Would be better to negotiate in good faith for functional Palestinian sovereignty and reparations.
@Fsgs233 Well, that's been done. What do you do when the offer of sovereignty is refused and the "dispossessed" settle into a pattern of periodically murdering significant numbers of the rival group?
I can think two things at once. 1)Land acknowledgements are stupid and 2)It is relevant that Zionists and others felt they had a moral right to boot people out. I feel bad for the individuals affected by settler colonialism but not "the people" as a group since groups don't suffer - individuals in groups do. Do the Ottomans or the Arabs do land acknowledgements to recognize their settler colonialism? Do the Sioux acknowledge they came storming out of Minnesota on horseback to subjugate the plains tribes? Do the Comanche apologize for dominating their neighbors? Again, this doesn't mean any of this is right or mean that these groups didn't have a right to be pissed and fight back. But Europeans aren't remotely the only setter colonialists in history and each of the colonized were colonizers in their turn.
Oh, I see - they reject settler colonialism because if they accepted it then the same could be levelled at Israel, which of course it can! OK. Well, how slimey can you get?
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It's just another epithet with which to label Jews, and it has purgative and cathartic results in those slinging the epithet and applying the label. The accuracy of the label is completely besides the point... don't let facts get in the way of my feelings!
Besides the fact that neither "Settler" nor "Colonial" is inherently bad or wrong. Were we to settle or colonize the moon, would that be wrong? Sure, no one's there, but other countries have laid claim to parts of it. However, the parts of Palestine that were settled by Zionist Jews prior to 1948 were all legally purchased, on land either not lived on by locals, or by illegal squatters, just as the parts settled by Arabs centuries prior were presumably legally obtained. All the richer given that the people using these terms negatively often live on land that was settled and colonized by their ancestors. So, does settler/colonizer + enough time legitimize it?
whataboutism!! is not an argument. the other's faults do not wash away your sins, which are hugely worse. Two wrongs do not make a right. BUT we are looking at YOUR crimes and sins you vomit.
I thought this was a fairly nuanced discussion on the topic of settler colonialism. Excellent first episode of EconTalk podcast for 2025 folks. To be honest Russ also has a better take on settler colonialism than Green Dreamer podcast host Kaméa Chayne. 11:00-12:30 Spot on analysis by Russ. Unfortunately, the political commentary community often uses the term settler colonialism for virtue signaling purposes which is really gross. 🦸🏿♂️🦹🏿
I'm going to go out on a limb here here and propose that the Sioux never did a land acknowledgement after they wrested the Black Hills from the Crow (ditto, the Turks, Zulus, Pakistanis, Aztecs, Mongols, and Maori after their bloody takeovers).
Not sure what your point is here. Just because native American tribes had their own wars and conquests prior to Europeans stealing their lands from them doesn't justify the latter.
@@HabaneroTiIt means it’s the way of the world. Should we expect all those groups to constantly express their guilt or is that only confined to Europeans? The Turks have open designs on parts of Syria right now. Or is this, in essence, virtue signaling meant to undermine the West. Because Islamist groups are very clear about their intentions.
@@BawlmawrBob Well, on the one hand yes, this has been going on for as long as people have organized into tribes and nations. But on the other hand, that doesn't excuse it, when injustices are being committed. And when and where it's possible to stop, prevent, reverse or compensate for unjust land captures, it should be attempted. Whether between native tribes, the US and various tribes, Russia and Ukraine, or Israel and Palestinians.
I'd only add that there's a lot of nonsense going around about alleged land thefts vs actual ones. No "indigenous" land was stolen or illegally settled and "colonized" by Zionist settlers prior to 1948. It was all legally purchased and settled, almost always land that wasn't inhabited at the time, or at most by illegal squatters.
For example, Tel Aviv was mostly uninhabited sand dunes north of Jaffa when its land was purchased and settled by Zionists in the early 20th century, and no one was displaced, no land stolen. At the time Jaffa was predominantly Arab and while some Jews did settle there--legally--it was just too small and dense for them to do so in large numbers, so they looked north for fresh, unused land.
Yes, it gets complicated after 1948, with many indigenous Arabs fleeing or being pushed out by Israeli forces. But that's what happens in all wars, and it happened to Jews as well at the time, both in the lands allocated to Arabs by the 1947 UN partition plan, and to those who lived in Arab countries, over 850,000 of whom were forced to leave, yet no one calls that a "Nakba" even though it clearly is. And Israel didn't start that war.
It gets even more complicated after 1967, but you get the gist.
the world is very different now. presumably better, but not really as so many people don't want a just world, just a might is right, law of the jungle world. A pox on ALL your houses!
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We Assyrians are ingenious people of the historical Assyria which is located northern Iraq, south turkey
Not only our land was divided between 2 countries but right now the historical part is controlled by kurds moslems after chasing us out for at least the last 500 years till today yet America and the whole west including isreal are supporting them ,even they call our land kurd stan
Which means the land of the kurds, despite we have been living on our land continuous since 4000 years before BC
The root problem with settler colonial theory, as i see it, is that it’s explicitly collectivist. Collectivism is the idea that groups, not individuals are the real, metaphysical unit to be analysed, and the moral standard of value when making moral judgments. Collectivists will argue that “America” committed the sin of colonialism and therefore “America” should write this wrong by paying reparations for instance. This language is deliberate but irrational and it obscures the truth. “America” is an abstract concept, which can be used to refer to a certain number of people living in a geographical place at a particular point it time. “America” in 1750 is not the same as “america” in 2025, and clearly the Americans/Europeans living in 1750 are not the same as those living in present day United States. But the collectivists don’t want people thinking in such clear terms. “America” committed these crimes, so “america” bears the sins of colonialism, so *any* and *all* Americans subsumed under “america” as part of the intergenerational collective must be held accountable, and pay for the sins that they share in.
The solution is to apply methodological individualism to this analysis: Individuals are separate independent entities with moral agency and therefore are responsible for their own actions, not the actions of others. Therefore individuals do not share in the actions - the crimes or achievements - of others, or of a group merely because they happen to share the same skin colour or nationality or place of birth as other members of the group. All the people who committed atrocities on either side of the conflict between Europeans and “native” Americans are responsible for their own actions - and they’re all long dead. Nobody alive today is responsible for the sins of their ancestors; most American’s alive today do not even have ancestors going back to colonialism because they are descendants of immigrants who arrived in America long after colonialism took place. It is morally unjust to accuse, blame or hold responsible any living american for the crime of colonialism. But those pushing settler colonial ideology have a deep hatred toward America, the values of the founding fathers, and therefore most Americans alive today. They want to replace constitutional republicanism and capitalism with some form of statism, with themselves in charge of the state, and they want to be able control people and therefore try to evoke a strong sense of guilt in innocent Americans, which enables that control. But people alive today have nothing to feel guilty about on this issue.
In addition, it is also worth applying methodological individualism to the case of the “native” Americans to, who are in fact not a monolithic collective. There existed hundreds of different “native” nomadic tribes at the time all over the continent and they were largely at war with each other, not just European settlers. In fact many tribes worked with the Europeans to help conduct conflicts with other tribes. It’s not like all of the tribes together lived in harmony and shared collectively in the ownership of an entire continent.
Property is not held collectively. I’m British. The British people do not collectively owned the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is a territory of land in which one government is sovereign and has legal jurisdiction over the land and the people residing there. The territory itself comprises of privately owned property, government owned property and unowned land. No individual Briton can claim that since they come from a long line of Britons dating back to the 10th century that they share in the collective ownership of the British isles. That is not how property ownership works. You own what you produce, what you trade for and what you inherit from another property owners. That’s it. Likewise, Native Americans collectively cannot own a continent. The only property they owned where the possessions that they made, traded for or inherited from friends and family. Even this is not totally accurate becuase the native Americans were both tribal and nomadic, so most property was shared by the tribe and control of it resided in the tribal chief. Moreover, land was not really owned because the native Americans never settled on one spot of land. Whereas European colonies had people who actually fixed themselves to plots of land which they cultivated for years, thereby making unowned property private property.
There are a lot of fallacies pushed by the advocates of settler colonialism. One of the best books that I’ve read which counters these fallacies is a book by Tom Bowden called The Enemies of Christopher Columbus. Check it out.
The idea of colonialism itself is a product of marxism.
WRITE this wrong? A lot of words there from a settler who fears going back to Ukraine and letting the indigenous world heal from the plague scourge of Indo-European terrorist rapist refugees
Oh yes, settler colonialism is great - for the settler colonizers! Settler colonization has NEVER been good for the colonized - EVER! In general, settler colonization destroys the original settlers and often erases them from the face of the earth entirely. Just look at Palestine.
Except Britain recognized that native peoples DID own the land they were on AND had sovereignty over those lands AND had fundamental rights to their self-determination and ways of life and governance by their own customs and traditions as far back as the 1763 proclamation of Canada and more definitively in 1837 with the report of the parliamentary inquiry into the situation of 'aboriginals' in British settlements. It's just the colonizers completely ignored what Britain thought and said. But Britain did recognize native rights and acknowledged the genocidal harm colonization did to native people - and that was in 1837! But the colonies gave Britain and the colonial office the big middle finger, and America, being independent from 1776 could do what it wanted, and what it wanted was to exterminate the natives and steal all their land and to hell what anyone thought. Oh yes, what a wonderful legacy. AND colonization and genocide is NOT history. It's an going structure and process that is alive today as the day the invasion and colonial disaster began. FACTS.
So, I guess you're saying the white European British way of doing things is the ONLY way and all other ways are wrong and abnormal and primitive and stupid? I find that just a teeny bit arrogant. I must say along with its benefits the individualistic rampant capitalist anti-spiritual dog eat dog system has produced endless evils. Not the least of which is a world filled with lonely, depressed, bitter, hateful people, full of despair and alienation, greed, envy, jealousy and bloodlust against anything not like them.
Russ’ description of the Nakbah is REALLY sanguine
Great conversation; thank you.
Kirsch, a short definition would be: It's a way of claiming that a country is illegitimate; the earlier possessors supposedly being the legitimate sovereigns.
Russ should do a podcast episode on the 80th anniversary of United Nations sometime this year. April Gallart is a Director UN Mission Relations and Commission on the Status of Women (CSW) coordinator. She attends CSW every year and coordinates United Families International (UFI) pro-family organization team member visits with delegations from around the world.
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I am a Jew living on Judea, Israel...my ancestors homeland.
How am I a colonialist?
Where is my motherland?
I am from this land.
Obviously all Jews are from Poland. Or so I'm told by people who have no idea what they're talking about but they read it online so it must be true...
Nobody named Schneider is indigenous to the Middle East
@@HabaneroTi u are calling them Jews. Obviously they are from judea.
@HabaneroTi I think Polish people don't consider Jews to be Poles. At least 6 million of them.
Yet most of you support kurds grabbing our land with full support of your government,. You left your land for 2000 years
And claimed it 70vyears ago, as to us we never left the land
Except that Jews are in fact indigenous to the region, there has literally not been a period since antiquity in which there wasn't a Jewish presence there, and while there were other ethnic groups that were there even earlier, like the Canaanites and Philistines, none still exist as a distinct group.
So, comparisons to the colonization of the Americas, Australia and NZ are imperfect at best.
Please explain how Jews are "indigenous" to the region. If we accept the religious romantic claim wouldn't Christians also be indigenous?
@@khubza8999 Jews are an ethnic as much as religious group, unlike Christians or Muslims, and ethnically, via DNA testing, has long since proved that most Jews, wherever their more recent ancestors came from, Europe, North Africa, the mideast or elsewhere, are at least 50% descended from ancient Jews. That's how.
Plus, although it's not legally relevant, even on a religious basis, Judaism clearly comes from this region, beyond any serious dispute, just as Christianity does, and Islam from Arabia. You can argue opinions, but not facts.
I support Israel because I think their enemies are genocidal but this idea that Russ Roberts and Adam Kirsch are “indigenous” to what is now called Israel is laughable.
@@khubza8999 I explained, yet the channel or YT deleted the reply. Not going to bother posting it again. YT commenting is insane, as is its content approval process.
@@HabaneroTi Yeah I left a comment and it was deleted as well.
Thanks. It would have been interesting for you to discuss the issue of what to do about radical Zionists in the West Bank because in terms of current events they are closest thematically (and morally) with the settler-colonial movements of centuries past, and with attitudes of Jewish superiority. Also, don't forget that the slogan "From the River to the Sea" began as a Likud slogan.
The territories are separate from Israel proper. Different history, legalities and standards. But you are correct to qualify these Zionists as "radical", because most are not.
Nope. It began when the British gave away half of the Palestinian mandate, the East Bank, to Abdullah of Hejaz.
Human history is marked by human waves which displaced or swamped an earlier, less powerful group. Humans displacing Neanderthals is arguably the first, but then about 8,000 years ago a wave from Central Asia swept over Western Europe - recent genetic studies have shown that most of the DNA of current west Europeans including white Americans came from these people from central Asia. Similar waves occurred more recently in Africa (Bantus), the Han Chinese, etc. In the Western Hemisphere similar waves were common. England saw Celts and Picts pushed out by Anglo-Saxon who then were conquered by the Normans. When there are multiple waves of "settlers" how far back do you go?
To plague spreading settler terrorists fleeing Ukraine and killing indigenous Europeans. So 5000 years ago when these settlers claimed to have started civilization. Not that hard unless you love squatting on stolen land and acting like we couldn't possibly figure out how to go back to Ukraine. Devil doesn't exist but you people do.
True. The other piece to this is that in modern society with modern conceptions of morality, we also recognize that taking land by conquest is wrong. I agree land acknowledgements are performative and futile. Would be better to negotiate in good faith for functional Palestinian sovereignty and reparations.
@Fsgs233 Well, that's been done. What do you do when the offer of sovereignty is refused and the "dispossessed" settle into a pattern of periodically murdering significant numbers of the rival group?
I can think two things at once. 1)Land acknowledgements are stupid and 2)It is relevant that Zionists and others felt they had a moral right to boot people out. I feel bad for the individuals affected by settler colonialism but not "the people" as a group since groups don't suffer - individuals in groups do. Do the Ottomans or the Arabs do land acknowledgements to recognize their settler colonialism? Do the Sioux acknowledge they came storming out of Minnesota on horseback to subjugate the plains tribes? Do the Comanche apologize for dominating their neighbors? Again, this doesn't mean any of this is right or mean that these groups didn't have a right to be pissed and fight back. But Europeans aren't remotely the only setter colonialists in history and each of the colonized were colonizers in their turn.
Except that no one was booted out. Nice story though.
No one was booted out. That is nothing shirt of replacement theology bs
Oh, I see - they reject settler colonialism because if they accepted it then the same could be levelled at Israel, which of course it can! OK. Well, how slimey can you get?
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It's just another epithet with which to label Jews, and it has purgative and cathartic results in those slinging the epithet and applying the label. The accuracy of the label is completely besides the point... don't let facts get in the way of my feelings!
That is exactly where the speaker wants to keep the conversation, isn't it? It's all about "their" hatred of "Jews."
Besides the fact that neither "Settler" nor "Colonial" is inherently bad or wrong. Were we to settle or colonize the moon, would that be wrong? Sure, no one's there, but other countries have laid claim to parts of it. However, the parts of Palestine that were settled by Zionist Jews prior to 1948 were all legally purchased, on land either not lived on by locals, or by illegal squatters, just as the parts settled by Arabs centuries prior were presumably legally obtained. All the richer given that the people using these terms negatively often live on land that was settled and colonized by their ancestors. So, does settler/colonizer + enough time legitimize it?
@@HabaneroTi apparently it legitimizes it when it’s convenient.
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whataboutism!! is not an argument. the other's faults do not wash away your sins, which are hugely worse. Two wrongs do not make a right. BUT we are looking at YOUR crimes and sins you vomit.
I thought this was a fairly nuanced discussion on the topic of settler colonialism. Excellent first episode of EconTalk podcast for 2025 folks. To be honest Russ also has a better take on settler colonialism than Green Dreamer podcast host Kaméa Chayne.
11:00-12:30 Spot on analysis by Russ. Unfortunately, the political commentary community often uses the term settler colonialism for virtue signaling purposes which is really gross.
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