They understood what he said and meant. They think he oversimplifies the issue. People think he has good intentions, but that his views will have consequences beyond what he envisions.
@@rdalge It’s a very simple issue. It’s purely outrageous that the government would criminalize, to bring the full weight and authority to bear upon what used to be free expression, solely because it may offend another party.
@@mikem6176 absolutely agree, I understand that living with a mental illness such as dysphoria can lead to very high suicide rates, but that doesn’t mean we should change our nations most important laws. His position has nothing to do with trans and everything to do with speech laws. He would be doing the same thing versus any other group out there that wants compelled speech. It sets a massive precedence and opens up further opportunities for much stricter forms of compelled speech. Has no one ever heard of the Thought Police?
@@mikem6176 Most men I know would be supremely offended if someone called them a woman, even as a joke, and they probably respond with violence. So we understand why it’s important to be labeled as we wish. Same with race and nationality. We do penalize and recognize it as hate if someone calls an Asian, black or any minority using a racial slur. I just don’t get how this is a brand new thing with Jordan and transgenders.
@@rdalge you just don't get how JP doesn't want the government to regulate social interactions by telling you how to speak? Not sure if i can make it any simpler than that.
JUST BECAUSE ONE DOES NOT AGREE WITH SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN THERE'S HATE BEHIND IT, OR ANY OTHER NEGATIVE BELIEF OTHER THAN "I JUST DONT AGREE WITH THAT, PERIOD.
@@PervySage723 when you ask them, what is a woman? Instead of answering properly, they talk in circles, because if they say, "A woman doesn't have male genetelia at birth, a women has xx chromosomes, and a women certainly isn't a man playing childish games of dress up and pretending to be a women depending by their mood." It would go against their philosophy, their beliefs, and their agenda. They impose this stupid idea to people with the pretext of compassion, love, and acceptance, but in reality, they bully and intimidate, and if we don't conform to their way of living, then we're touted as an unsophisticated, unenlightened, intolerant incel bigots, that don't mind their own business, even though we don't impose truth to them, we simply call out the lies they spew, and bring forth the truth. They'll do just about anything to silence, bully, and over all oppress us because they believe their "rights" are better then my "rights" of freedom of speech.
this is such a big issue within people that i wish we would all work towards more as individuals. just start paying attention to the people around you and youll notice we tend to look for anger rather than it finding us.
jordan peterson has gone out of his way to malign several trans people purely on the basis that he doesnt agree with the idea that theyre trans at all lmao the elliot page situation is enough for any normal person to see that jordan peterson, and you types that think hes right, hide behind a guise of this "criticism". not only is it misplaced i seriously doubt youre accurate when you say your opinion on the validity of trans people in general is anything but hate
It is possible to disagree with someone and not hate them at the same time. Many parents do it multiple times a day and yet love their children and partners
@@Vashy434 No, it's not. To reject somebodys opinion or style is a right that everybody* has. And the one rejected has to learn to live with that like a matured person. It's a give and take, and will happen peacefully when in love, and witout break up, however even it hurts to accept the others view, or learn from it.
@@Vashy434 The irony here it that YOU refuse to accept that people who don't identify as hating aren't hating. ALL self identification can be disagreed with without the requirement for hate.
@@duncanhubbard6913 Theres no irony there. I have never once said hating someone was innately bad. I for one, think hating Jordan Peterson is perfectly fine. But you are wrong, when you vocalize being against the existence of an entire class of people, an act which in this case has been linked to direct harm and even death, with blatant disregard for their safety and well being. It is indistinguishable from hate.
I’m a lefty, ‘socialist’ liberal. And while I don’t always agree with Dr. Peterson on issues (I don’t ALWAYS agree with anyone, truthfully…who does?) on this issue he is 100% correct. I address my trans friends and family as they wish me to-and gladly and lovingly do it. But the minute we open that door, to gvmnt interference in speech, it doesn’t close again. And that could have catastrophic consequences.
C-16 has been passed for years and what your saying makes no sense, literally nothing has changed. C-16 only adds gender to protected classes, that's it. Don't be ignorant like petershit.
Kudos on you for being able to jump through hoops to placate a subset of people who have particular needs to be met. Like respecting whatever identity they choose for themselves, and requiring others to participate in that endeavour. But others will struggle with this! So... Does that make them transphobic? Bigoted? I've met and interacted with PLENTY of gay, lesbian and bisexual individuals, but there is no requirement for me to change an already established narrative! There is no extra work that I need to do, to acknowledge and accept who they are. No special pronouns... No need for me to decode their identity... Nothing! They are who they are, whether I choose to accept them or not! So I have to be honest, if I did come across a person who was trans, I would be very uncomfortable with that situation, because one wrong move or mistake on my part, could bring about unwanted scrutiny. Indeed, I would probably remove myself from that situation, in order to eliminate the possibility of a misunderstanding! If I was in a situation where I had no choice, then I would simply insist on calling them on a first name basis only! Because to be BRUTALLY frank, I would mess up these new pronouns! I have enough problems on my plate already! So I really don't want to participate in this pronoun situation. Does that make me a bad person?! Because I don't want to get involved???
There is no such thing as free speech. It's myth Americans cling to. If you invoke hate, violence or attack the state and its individuals, or a group of Individuals, see how far your free speech argument gets you. Freedom is a myth. We're all governed by a huge amount of law and regulations. Because freedom turns out doesn't create a cohesive society, its creates anarchy.
I love Stossel's interview technique here! He plays devil's advocate to try to get a more genuine response from the interviewee! I love that technique!
@@piotr004 for every ideologue. Even those on the right. The left had become more and more ideological over the years, but the right also has its ideologies, and some will take Jordan’s words to mean “it’s okay to hate x”. Both sides’ ideologues are equally stupid.
He has to explain this over and over because he was (and apparently still is) 100% incorrect about bill C-16. It no more "compels speech" than any other harassment or hate speech law has in the past. So if you continue railing against a bill which legal experts have repeatedly told you does not "compel speech" we can't help but wonder what your objection really is...
It's all imagination anyway. I would debate Mr Peterson himself on that. It would be short. Legally compelled speech is really scary. So he and I would shake hands and move on. Why do people get so scared of words?
@lachlanhenry486 did you just say words were scary and why do other people get scared of words in the same breath? Do you not see your own hypocrisy? YOU'RE THE SCARED ONE.
Thats just what Stossel does. He in no way supports the question he just plays devils advocate. He actually agrees with JP a lot and is a libertarian. But you wouldn’t know unless you’ve actually watched the guy more than 30sec clips.
When I first heard his argument on this, I was intrigued by this man's ability to cut right to the heart of the matter. And ever since then he has continued to do so. Frequently he has made statements and I have thought that he articulated an idea I had as well but couldn't have put it so concisely into words. Gotta love this guy.
Why? His claim to fame is predicated on a bill he misrepresents. Hit "cut to the heart of the matter" was to ignore the bill and grandstand about something unrelated.
Jordan Peterson was proven wrong by the Canadian bar association about C-16. It was and is not compelled speech, and yet here he is. Still lying and whining like a little B. This is what happen when pseudo intellectuals misunderstand and misrepresent the facts. Keep lyin JP. Now that you're in bed with Shapiro it will come like breathing to you
We need to stop conflating hating a person and disagreeing with the actions of a person. Just because you don't agree with the trans sports issue doesn't mean you hate a person for being trans. We need to be able to have conversations in this country instead of painting every disagree as hate or hate speech. Yes, of course, there is some real hatred in this world but most Americans are good, honestly, loving people. They just have a different viewpoint or understanding of an issue.
"Just because I don't do what you tell me to do doesn't mean I hate you." - The mind of rational people. Edit: Thank's to all the people willing to share their thoughts with me!
He’s an old boomer with a calcified ideological structure that doesn’t apply to today. Doesn’t understand Marxism and quotes Jung, the worst of Freud’s disciples, way too much to take JBP seriously. He’s a smart man for idiots.
Fuvk that. If the player is adamant about getting us all thrown in jail for disagreeing I hate them. The ideology isn't just teams people exist. It's agree with us or die
@@iwillnotcomply6001 Player can have their ideologies if said player can't dictate the rules of the game. Your intolerance of their intolerance is just another type of intolerance. So in a way when you wrote that comment you had similar mentality to today's transmovement. I hope someday you could see your mentality's flaws.
the law doesn’t even require that he made up an issue to be mad about. harassment has always been illegal and that’s what the law pertains to. nothing at all about what he’s ever said.
@@toby3817 exactly. Hes not saying I personally hate or don't want to use these terms but you trying to make it a law to force me to say them is illegal because its takin my freedom of speech away
@Lavonne Lester He clearly even mentions and is talking about the U.S. Supreme Court and their decision. He's talking to a U.S. reporter about U.S. laws and the U.S. Constitution. Not sure where you're coming from.
This is not really a big thing. As a black person, i can know more about white history than a random white person. I've have several instances in life where white people can "act blacker" than me and even know more about black history than me. I've finally come to the realization that it both does and doesnt matter. 1) its good that white people learn about black people with such fervor. (And in that same way this Canadian knows much about US Law systems.) 2) its good that black people learn history (which is kinda also white history in ways cuz UK is a white=euro nation that came to the USA) 3) I still know and cherish other nuances of blackhood that I'll only experience even as they'll experience different experiences of whitehood. All in all. This guy is a professor so our Laws are very much intertwined. Canadian and USA both came from UK colonization as such our laws are modeled and are derived from them. Personally I'd like to think US is better than UK since we dont have the OLD laws to observe. But sadly there are cons with a clean slate laws being written but at that point we modeled our laws after UK and improved what we didn't like. Namely democracy. (Id have to confirm when parliament came into play and the crown became less in control of how their nation is run but even UK has a semblance of democracy these days)
@@ericolens3 I'd have to disagree with your view on UK democracy I'd say it was far more democratic far earlier than the us given when everybody had the right to vote ie people of Chinese not till the 50ts
John Stossel is one of the few journalists out there with integrity left, he doesn’t go easy on those he interviews but his question was meant to set Peterson up to make his point as effectively as possible
@@amihere383 You mean the guy that got bitch slapped by a wrestler for calling it fake. The bumps are very real and can be very dangerous if done incorrectly.
@@danspawn85 So you are saying that acting out stunts on a bouncy surface, can't be dangerous? I didn't know it was impossible for stunts to be dangerous.
@@danspawn85 You're about 30 years late to this argument. Nobody even tries to argue pro wrestling isn't fake anymore. I am sure some of the moves have the potential to be dangerous if performed incorrectly. The same is true of stage magic. Doesn't make it "real", just means that a lot of practice has to go into the choreography.
Many of you are still missing the point!!! Peterson made it clear that it wasn’t about hate, even though that’s the part that some of you are so obsessed with. It was about compelled speech! It’s not ok to hate anyone*. But you can still hate what they do to themselves and others (lifestyles). So wishing that someone made better choices is NOT to hate them. It’s actually a show of love, because you want was is best when it comes to everyone. We want them to make GOOD choices, and to draw the most from the benefits. And to expect (or demand) that everyone else accept or love every one of your particularly wrong life choices and lifestyle is utterly irrational, narcissistic and harmful thinking. Then again, we struggle not to hate those who are shooting up so many of our schools and places of worship. Hard, but not impossible. If it were easy, Jesus wouldn’t have told us several times that we must love (or wish the best for) our enemies. * Two biggest commandments were about Love: 1) love God about all things and 2) love your neighbor as you love yourself So what God loves/hates supersedes what we (or anyone) love/hate(s)
Yo tengo una sugerencia sobre un tema de un vídeo y es sobre Jordan Peterson, pues comentas de vez en cuando sobre lo que dice y hace pero nunca algo a profundidad, me interesa saber cuáles son tus pensamientos acerca se ello.
Remember shorts are clips taken out of context, this was actually a very good interview. The interviewer was purposefully asking these questions so that viewers had clarification of what Jordan stood for which was a very good play by the interviewer.
Yeah, John Stossel is a pretty good guy. He's not always on the mark policy-wise, but he sure as hell always gives a mostly objective viewpoint whenever he's interviewing people.
His point is spot on. We are seeing more and more of this in a variety of governments. It all is ridiculous and needs to stop. Thank you Jordan for speaking the truth.
I personally think being trans shouldn’t lead to forced inclusive speech, I think peoples delusions shouldn’t be played into but I wish the best for them and want what’s healthiest for them, which isn’t to give them free reign on redefining biology. My best friend’s partner is trans, we hang out all the time, and I think they want what’s best for people. It’s just sad to see them affected by this.
The most beautiful thing about him is how he has such a healthy grasp on common sense, and to those who don’t, it may seem he is emotionless and cold, however it feels as though he is one of the most emotional speakers I’ve ever witnessed. He expresses himself with such a high level of respect and clarity, and yet onlookers like to make it seem as though he has no idea what he’s talking about. Meanwhile he’s only saying what many of us have been feeling for decades. A genuinely good human being, I respect him so much.
Can you explain exactly what his point is to me? Because I'm getting that he's against c-16 but not why. All it does is constitute transphobia as a hate crime. It doesn't impact free speech at all. I don't understand why he thinks it results in "compelled speech". It doesn't. It exactly the same as saying defining racism as hatespeech is impacting free speech. All its doing is providing consequences to malicious people who target marginalised groups. How is that a bad thing?
He doesn't talk common sense, he talks from a rigid standpoint that is averse to change in society. He would have been the kind of person who would have fought against the new view that the world is not flat or that the sun does not revolve around the Earth. A closed mind is an ignorant mind
@@gillb9222What rubbish is this? You feel compelled speach is a fluid concept? A positive concept? You forecast no slippery slope occuring with the enactment of this concept. You are rigid with ignorance.
It’s actually great to see that people with a voice have not lost their humanity. Hate in the world is at an all times high. We need to teach humanity is first!
One of the biggest ways they're undermining our society is by making hate synonymous with speaking out against something or someone. As well as redefining words. Someone gets accused of assault only to find out they simply told someone they were wrong.
@@DamianSzajnowski because neither will ever disappear as long as people are around. Do you believe we are in some enlightened post-history age or something similarly foolish?
He certainly thinks he's brilliant but he clearly doesn't understand the difference between common law, ie law based on historical precedents decided by judges, and legislated law introduced, debated, and decided by Parliament. That's a basic distinction that should be understood by someone still in high school.
@@davidbouvier8895 Which is why the US has the Supreme Court, so that Congress and the President can't repeal the First Amendment. So your argument is specious.
Just occurred to me that Jordan willingly attends debates and interviews where he knows the other person (and their entire team) try to paint him as a villain. What a life to live 😂
My exact thoughts... I would listen to him speak on any aspect of our society, because he is articulate and respectful. And he never Never generalize an entire group of people based on the behaviour of a few... Compared to most podcast.
Except he’s wrong on first principles, you can read bill c-16, it’s a publicly available document, it does not compel you do say anything and does not make misgendering a crime as he has claimed previously, if he can’t read a bill that’s a page long I would seriously question his competence.
@@brotherben4600 well I posted a link to the bill but the comment got deleted, you can read all 3 versions for yourself, misgendering being a hate crime/ illegal isn’t in there
@@Max._Power If you had watched his explanation, you’d know that already. The wording was implied, it wasn’t a set ruling but it opened up the gates to it. Please watch Jordan Peterson talking in Canadian chambers. He testified on the bill regarding this, so, you are incorrect.
@drewbiedubious1723 Maybe, but this isn't genocide, it is going after Hamas. They have to go after Hamas to prevent Hamas from committing the genocide that they intend against Israel and Jewish people. Unfortunately, Hamas hides behind innocent people so that they can get the rest of the world to judge Israel. It works on the people who let emotions cloud their view of reality.
@@bhazerelli7611 Watermelon people been fighting back ever since they were driven out of their homes decades ago yet they're labeled as bigoted extremist hateful terrorists, where's your logic in that ?
Most people don’t like being force fed behaviors and ideas (adults and children alike) so it’s understandable that forcing speech evokes pushback. Most parents understand that children are malleable and therefore don’t want their kids to be exposed to ideas that may result in confusion and a desire for surgery that is life altering. This approach isn’t about hating trans people. It’s about loving our kids and knowing their thoughts and feelings change.
There's something even worse which Peterson is talking about. Compelled speech. It's not what you can't say. We already have laws like this. For example you are not allowed to yell "Fire!" in a crowded room unnecessarily -- it is against the law. But compelled speech is worse -- and there has never been a law in English common law for it (which virtually all Western countries follow) -- compelled speech is not what you can't say, but what you HAVE TO say.
In essence the government can use “trans rights” as a ploy to infringe upon free speech, slowly changing the laws until there is enough power to eliminate any speech. And we know where that leads…
The issue is COMPELLED SPEECH by a tiny fraction of a minority of the population, who is Non-conformist by nature demanding that everyone conform to their specific personal non-conformity. Free speech is the right to speak how you please not the right to demand everyone say what you want cause you’re the most special snowflake. If you need people to parade you around and congratulate you all the time for your life choices because you can’t stand on your own then you have made the wrong life choices.
This comment is like putting up a driving sign for pedestrians, they will never get it and the ones that do know the truth, no one hates them, it's a very small fraction of people that perform hate crimes against them, if they had any resistance their movement wouldn't be going so well, I mean, they are even being able to change laws! The truth is hardly any one cares and that is the real problem. We are living in an era that everyone is so "self-everything" so it's the best time to do whatever you want. But, They want the attention. They want everyone to acknowledge them, see them, call them by whatever they please because that's what makes them feel important, and since they aren't getting that, they are deciding to go through extreme lengths to get that feeling of importance, ie, besides trying to ruin the only constant since slavery, free speech, they are brainwashing children, putting tampons in boys bathrooms and trying to let grown men into girls locker rooms, and crying "hate" when you don't agree. I swear if we don't get on the same page with this it's going to be the beginning of the end
well it's not really a choice for trans people. it's like depression where the only way to solve it is through transition. Anyways, I just wanted to say we already have compelled speech laws called hate speech and they are much more severe than school rules for courtesy. There are no laws declaring you must use someone's preferred pronouns
i am trans and i agree with him, compelled speech is ridiculous. if you don’t like how people refer to you you can ask them nicely but you can’t make them, and the onus is on you as well to change how you look so you fit in better how you want(which should be the entire point of a transtion)
People hate him because he is a liar and because he promotes nazi talking points (though that is beyond this video). He is just wrong about Bill C 16, all it did was add being trans to the list of things you can't discriminate against as an employer or landlord, just like religion, sexuality, etc. It had nothing to do with private speech.
@@guardian7773 No, with him it is quite easy, if you know history and nazi rhetoric. Before they took power they were talking about "cultural bolshevism" a lot. This basically encompassed all kinds of progressive social change (including trans people even at the time). Today, Peterson loves to talk about the evils of Cultural Marxism, which, apart from changing bolshevism to Marxism, as nobody cares about bolsheviks anymore, hits the exact same points as nazis previously did, hence he is promoting nazi talking points.
We need more people like you guys! I dont mind if you don’t agree with the fact I’m trans it’s a problem when it becomes verbally or physically abusive! Yall are allowed to have your own opinions just like how I have mine 😊
“I do not agree with your opinion, but I will die for your right to have it.” - idk George Washington or something edit: it wasn’t actually George Washington, it was Mike Oxlong
@@Attmay What hate? I don't hate you, nor any other group of people. I don't encourage anyone to act with hostility towards non trans people. And I think that one of the best things I can do is to do my part to help trans and others come to a common understanding and care about each other. I just want mutual respect.
It’s funny how well you laid out that it’s the exact same matchup as “black lives matter” and “all lives matter”, and it’s equally hateful because it tacitly denies that trans people get a lot of hate and hate crimes against them. But it’s also weak language, which JP loves to use because it’s easy to backpedal from.
@@CynicallyDepressedx it's a classic case of radical leftists highjacking a good progressive movement and turning it into something else. Most trans people are just people who are trans and not radical leftists or hate filled and just want to be themselves. Too bad a lot of trans activists don't do a good job representing the community
He is so knowledgeable... it's endless. I listen to him often enough. He can speak about just about anything and intelegently and articulately so. He's amazing. Hes the same energy as Robin Williams but in a totally different area, forum and platform. He's amazing to listen to, even when he loses me😂❤
@@Cyborg_Lenin All the law is about is discrimination against people based on their gender identity. Their is nothing about what Jordan is talking about in it.
@@lazar2949 Peterson went out of his way to attack and deadname Elliot Page, repeatedly, with intent to harm. How is that not hate under the same definition?
The irony is people trying to just ask questions are seen as "hateful", and the people who claim to be "progressive and understanding" actually hate the people who are just asking questions.
no such thing as wasted emotion. only improperly applied ones. It is not wrong to Hate Evil and to Love Good. Loving your enemies is not the same as loving their evil. And to affirm that it is insulting to them to say their lifestyle is evil...is itself evil, my friend. Love the sinner and hate the sin is a truth regardless of your religious beliefs or lack thereof.
I'd go even further to say it's ok to hate AND it's ok to act. HOWEVER, in a society, there are rules and they have consequences. I'm only speaking from the bigger picture here, that's all.
@@sideshowbob6241 doesn't seem like he's trying to misrepresent peterson at all. (y'know, like most journalists do) he's asking a straight forward question that people seem to be interested in. (like the actual journalists that became an endangered species in 2008)
@@XxXMrSisterFisterXxX John Stossel is one of the last remaining well intentioned journalists. He's a libertarian kind of guy, similar to Peterston, and has been in the game for 40 years or so.
I have been saying this before, during, currently, and after he has been vilified in the media. His complaint is *THAT* the Canadian government is compelling speech. Not *WHAT* they're compelling.
@@averystevenson7155 please tell me your joking how can a rational mind think this is perfectly fine, god damn I'm actually shocked this is the mentality of some people
@@averystevenson7155 Lmao no quite the opposite actually. I believe in science so im never gonna think that men and women are the same and that gender is fluid, i dont have a problem if someone thinks that way as long as they dont impose their beliefs onto others
@@hidenname541 not imposing beliefs is a good start but it's just that, a start. They shouldn't be engineers. Do engineering with a whacked concept of truth and a habit of denying science and you'll get people maimed or killed.
@@averystevenson7155 lay off the meth dude 🤣ur fvcking crazy and Im not saying that cuz ur trans ur just seriously a lunatic if u think normal ppl minding they're own business in life not giving a f what ur doing r somehow the problem foh with that nonsense foreal foreal
One of the issues of hate is it's become a trend. A lot of people hate because they've been self-convinced to do so, rather than developing a personal reason to hate; usually through social media. However this does not mean it's inherently wrong to hate someone. The real problem is when you decide to act on that hatred, if you catch my drift. You can hate without being aggressive about it. It may not be easy for some people, but it is possible. It's all about self control.
People have become too eager to reply to someone before they allow the other person to finish speaking. During that time, they stopped listening and were in the process of formulating their response, so they missed what the person was actually saying. Listen first, then formulate your response.
Bill C 16 had nothing to do with private speech, it was about discrimination in the workplace and by landlords, adding being trans to the list of things you can't discriminate against.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 Exactly. Thank you for pointing this out: petersonian drones tend to simply take Peterson at his word and rave on about his supposed heroism while he's simply wrong about this or worse wilfully misrepresents reality in order to suit his needs. A.k.a he's lying his ass off.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 nobody ever said anything about private speech. You can say whatever you want in private. You can deal with discrimination without government legislation. Boss can fire an employee for being a dick to someone, however it's not illegal to be a dick. Bill C-16 is about compelled speech and that shouldn't exist ever. You can legislate a law that forbids people from calling transgender people slurs for example and that wouldn't be right either. It's not illegal to call people racial slurs, there would be cultural and social consequences, but no legal. It's not illegal to offend anyone in general, why do we have to make an exception for one specific group of people. That could lead to another group feeling envy "Hey, we want too!"
@@adamushu yet he says that he doesn't hate transgenders. hell, hate anyone. Yes I understand that disrespect and hate are different things. If you talk to this man. And talk to him with an open mind. Keyword: open. He will respect you for respecting his opinions. Because in the end. That's what opinions are. Your own. You're perfectly fine with sharing them with the world. And the same with trying to change one's opinion. But if you insult someone just because you don't like their opinion? That shows one's lack of maturity considering the fact that they couldn't even BEGIN to comprehend the opinion that they insulted. As long as you keep an open mind while talking to him. He will do the same thing for you. the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. Have a nice day.
I think of people pay attention more to what he says they will see he's not transphobic he's don't hate trans people. He's just against the people that try to push their s*** on to other people like kids because when you're a kid you really don't think of sex or your sexuality you think about hey this looks fun or this looks pretty or hey let me try this it's the thoughts that make it about sexuality which is kind of sick no matter who you are just let a kid be a kid and just let the kid enjoy life before he grows up to be an adult because us as adults all know it sucks being an adult so stop pushing your s*** off on two kids that's what I get out of it anyway.
@@Jinkroll and what about some of these kids that are not really getting to choose sometimes their parents are choosing for them. Like not too long ago I heard and watch this couple telling their little baby girl she is transgendered she was a baby you're going to mess that kids system up not knowing what she really wants and when she probably grows up she's going to regret it because she didn't get to choose the parents got to choose Little steps so you don't hurt or just screw up someone's life or screw up your own life make sure you're really ready for it.
@@Jinkroll gender dysphoria was extremely rare hardly heard of untill Jenner transitioned an won woman of the year. Then there’s was a huge shift w media giving social praise to anyone who had it so I can imagine tons of unpopular or even just confused normal children see people getting all this attention and fane if they just say they are the other gender naturally your gonna see a huge uptick in this shit. It’s wild to me how many people don’t understand this, it’s not making the subject more accepted it’s making it “popular/in style”
Has he lost his license yet? Canadian courts are very strict about matters like this. We do not want unqualified psychologists practicing in our country, especially spreading hate against the vulnerable.
That isn't exactly the takeaway here. More along the lines of "don't get government involved, and let people be people". For, against, ambivalent. That should remain up to individuals, not the government trying to regulate it.
It's difficult to show compassion for females who want penises and males who want vaginas. How do you not want to kill them!? Some humans deserve death by the hands of those also broadly not good but better than the lowest morality life decisions on earth. Many people born and made deserve death.
You’ve heard it said love those who love you and hate your enemies but I say onto you love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. That said about 2000 years ago and still holds true today
i agree! hating people is bad and not helpful, but there has for quite some time always been anti harrassment which seems a little slimey to potray it as compelled speech.
I had this conversation a long time ago as it pertained to Healthcare. Compelling someone to pay into a system through threat of jail vs encouraging people to donate are 2 widely different things. I forget exactly how the conversation broke down but at one point I was asked a question that went something along the lines of "so then assholes like you don't ever contribute to society while someone else suffers?" 2 things popped into my mind. 1 I was happy to finally get a moment with a genuine response and not a virtue signaling, holier than thou response. The other thought was how terrifying it is to value freedom and to shame and label someone an awful name just because you'd rather force them to acting the way you want them to act and you'd be willing to take their hard earned money by force and throw them in jail or prison because they would rather spend the money they make on their family of if they simply couldn't lend a hand. I even pointed out how instrumental GoFundMe is at helping. The response I got was, "So I should have to beg people to help?" The fact that asking for help is somehow more shameful but that threatening to make someone a criminal if they don't isn't is also deeply desturbing.
I love how when the interviewer kinda poked Jordan with that question at the beginning, he didn't get upset with him for taking things out of context even tho he did. Jordan is the goat
J. Peterson is lying though. Anti-discrimination laws for private speech have existed for decades. All they wanted to do is include trans people into the bill
@@Dat1frog yea in one interview he said trans women aren't women, in another he said "we don't have to believe in your ideology", and then he made an ad about christianity and said "well, why would you join it? Why wouldn't you! You got nothig to loose! Even if it doesn't correspond with your beliefs" It's a double-standard. He's a hypocrite. When it comes to LGBTQ people he doesn't want people to be nice to them but when it comes to christianity he wants everyone to forget their knowledge and join it like sheep.
I was always taught by my mother that hate is a terrible emotion and I should never hate anyone. It wasn’t until adulthood that I learnt that it’s a very liberating feeling to let go hate. I don’t allow anyone to hold that power over me or live rent free in my brain. I much prefer to get along with everybody, but if I don’t get on with someone they are insignificant to me and I don’t give them another thought.
Is long as it works, thats wonderful. The only problem becomes when people go in your personal space. Altho, you dont need to hate anyone in order to defend yourself, so thats also.. Really, what is the point of hating someone, it doesent do anyone any good, even if its hating the most eveil person alive. Everything can be done without the need of hate. But its a damn difficult emotion to get out of. Im generally a calm person amd i dont hate almost anyone. I dont really think of those i hate much unless im analising somrthing they say or do ( at which point i might find myself hating on occasion) Anger sure, i have some , more oftain than hate. I think. People latch in to it because it feels almost good, and its motibating too. From personal experience thats how its been like for me when i. Used to hate alot more. Im too tired to write more, tho its an interesting topic, maybe for tomorow or another time. Have a nice day
The is a difference between anger and hatred. Anger is the short term form of hatred and I think it’s absolutely appropriate to feel and express anger if you see injustice or violence against something you value. A short and powerful retaliation to show the other party that you disagree is ok. Don’t be a pushover and stand for what you believe in. But being consumed by hatred indeed is poison to the hater.
@@SanderBessels I understand the distinction between hatred and anger. Although I was making a specific point regarding hatred, I also think that anger is generally destructive. Anger, in my opinion, is indicative of poor impulse control. It’s counterproductive in debates or arguments, as well as in physical confrontations. One can be assertive and stand up for what you believe in without having anger or hatred drive you. Anger is a reactive emotion typified by impulsivity. Angry people go into a state of fight-or-flight and tend to react emotionally, they overreact. That overreaction is emotional reactivity. In that moment, our perceptions of the situation are altered. It narrows your focus both figuratively, and literally. Anger can cause a sudden rush of adrenaline which is known to occasionally cause tunnel vision. In combat a combat situation or in a fight it is very dangerous because while your central vision is focused on the primary threat, you may not see secondary threats, weapons of opportunity, or possible escape routes. I was a boxing enthusiast as a child and into my early twenties until I switched focus to other forms of martial arts that I was practicing at the time, Muy Thai and Zen Chi Ryu. I started boxing to channel my anger issues. I discovered how detrimental anger can be a as people tend to lash out and make silly mistakes, open their guard, tire themselves out by taking wild swings. In boxing matches I would jab at opponents, trash talk, That can transfer into intellectual “fights” where anger makes people lash out and speak without measured and level headed responses.
@@Dan_Ben_MichaelThanks for the elaborate response! I fully agree and think that in your example you deserve a lot of respect for bringing uncontrolled emotional anger under control. I was thinking more of situations where “all that evil needs for it to triumph, is for good people to remain silent.” That’s a totally different situation. All I wanted to say is that there are situations where emotional anger is a useful emotion and expressing it sometimes is even the morally correct thing to do.
He's making himself look silly when he says c-16 impacts free speech. It doesn't. All it does is protect trans people from discrimination in the workplace and from landlords. It's even stated very clearly that simply using incorrect pronouns is NOT enough to constitute criminal activity. All c-16 does is legally make discrimination against a person for being transgender a hate crime. That doesn't impact free speech in the same way that protecting black people from racism in the workplace isn't impacting free speech.
This man isn't capable of hatred towards another human being. He's a neurotic compassionate man. It hurts him that he hurts people in pursuit of truthfulness . He wishes it did not. He wishes the truth went down as smoothly as the lies. It's a losing battle against antitruths
@@jefftappan7973 You must think neurotic is a bad thing? It's just a personality trait. It means he worries alot.(way more goes into it but that's the gist of it).
I'm pretty sure he himself would disagree with your claim that he isn't capable of hatred towards someone. He knows his shadow, probably has integrated it but that does not mean he is incapable of hatred. He is a most remarkable man though and has probably worked more on himself that most people.
I can't seem to comprehend how much pressure 😫 he has to deal within without shouting "stupid" .. this is the reason i want to go first on judgment day .. i don't want to listen to anyone's anything
The funny thing about this phenomenon with everybody thinking that disagreement = hatred, is that it's a thinking trap they teach you to dismantle in DBT therapy lol when I hear ppl talking about how disagreeing is "tantamount to hatred" it really reminds me of my paperback DBT book and pamphlet on recognizing negative thinking traps 😂
Great point! And then when disagreements are seen through this lens, people are likely to be more critical and defensive in response, which ends up looking a lot like hatred. Do you think this goes both ways; the more liberals and conservatives defend against the hatred they perceive, the more hateful they appear, even though deep down we all want to live in a world of acceptance?
It's really an intimidation tactic at first isn't it. A person wants to be right so bad, so they need to satisfy that narcissistic ego, they resort to primal urges to instill fear in someone so they can feel as though they are right
Alas, we do need to keep having it. The difference for you is that you actually LISTENED to what he said. More, you comprehended it. I am glad that he gained so much notoriety from it, but wish there were more people like you
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Where can we watch this whole interview?! Somebody. No.?🙂
Here th-cam.com/video/p3368WAl0qM/w-d-xo.html
@@wiselessons3042 nice to see you guys standing up for trans rights. Remember to ask for pronouns!
@@trevorchabot864 f your pronouns.
YOU TUBE 😁
@@doctyler3920 can you add a link?
The fact that people didn’t understand that is terrifying.
They understood what he said and meant. They think he oversimplifies the issue. People think he has good intentions, but that his views will have consequences beyond what he envisions.
@@rdalge It’s a very simple issue. It’s purely outrageous that the government would criminalize, to bring the full weight and authority to bear upon what used to be free expression, solely because it may offend another party.
@@mikem6176 absolutely agree, I understand that living with a mental illness such as dysphoria can lead to very high suicide rates, but that doesn’t mean we should change our nations most important laws. His position has nothing to do with trans and everything to do with speech laws. He would be doing the same thing versus any other group out there that wants compelled speech. It sets a massive precedence and opens up further opportunities for much stricter forms of compelled speech. Has no one ever heard of the Thought Police?
@@mikem6176 Most men I know would be supremely offended if someone called them a woman, even as a joke, and they probably respond with violence. So we understand why it’s important to be labeled as we wish. Same with race and nationality. We do penalize and recognize it as hate if someone calls an Asian, black or any minority using a racial slur. I just don’t get how this is a brand new thing with Jordan and transgenders.
@@rdalge you just don't get how JP doesn't want the government to regulate social interactions by telling you how to speak? Not sure if i can make it any simpler than that.
JUST BECAUSE ONE DOES NOT AGREE WITH SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN THERE'S HATE BEHIND IT, OR ANY OTHER NEGATIVE BELIEF OTHER THAN "I JUST DONT AGREE WITH THAT, PERIOD.
Exactly, but people don’t understand that. Especially the ones that “fight” for freedom and tolerance. 😢
@@MrCami2807 they fight for their own freedom, and to achieve that is by oppressing others.
@@aut0mat1c11 how lmao
@@PervySage723 when you ask them, what is a woman? Instead of answering properly, they talk in circles, because if they say, "A woman doesn't have male genetelia at birth, a women has xx chromosomes, and a women certainly isn't a man playing childish games of dress up and pretending to be a women depending by their mood." It would go against their philosophy, their beliefs, and their agenda.
They impose this stupid idea to people with the pretext of compassion, love, and acceptance, but in reality, they bully and intimidate, and if we don't conform to their way of living, then we're touted as an unsophisticated, unenlightened, intolerant incel bigots, that don't mind their own business, even though we don't impose truth to them, we simply call out the lies they spew, and bring forth the truth.
They'll do just about anything to silence, bully, and over all oppress us because they believe their "rights" are better then my "rights" of freedom of speech.
Amen! we can agree to disagree and still be friends.
I find it amazing that people willfully misinterpret what others say, just they can have something to be angry about.
Welcome to the internet
this is such a big issue within people that i wish we would all work towards more as individuals. just start paying attention to the people around you and youll notice we tend to look for anger rather than it finding us.
Strawmanning 101.
It's victim mentality, no play the victim no matter what you do or say
Every political leftist protected made up minority these days be like😂
People confuse criticism with hate. It’s not hate.
And half the time its not even criticism, its just concern about the behaviour.
Idk why this isn't the TOP comment. It's criticism, not hate.
What criticism are you making?
Their ability to think has been pruned, that's the reason.
jordan peterson has gone out of his way to malign several trans people purely on the basis that he doesnt agree with the idea that theyre trans at all lmao
the elliot page situation is enough for any normal person to see that jordan peterson, and you types that think hes right, hide behind a guise of this "criticism". not only is it misplaced i seriously doubt youre accurate when you say your opinion on the validity of trans people in general is anything but hate
It is possible to disagree with someone and not hate them at the same time. Many parents do it multiple times a day and yet love their children and partners
If you cannot accept your child for who they are, thats tantamount to hate. You love who you want them to be, not who they are.
@@Vashy434 No, it's not. To reject somebodys opinion or style is a right that everybody* has. And the one rejected has to learn to live with that like a matured person. It's a give and take, and will happen peacefully when in love, and witout break up, however even it hurts to accept the others view, or learn from it.
@@SpandauJerry they didn't say that it wasn't a "right that people have", they're saying that it's hatred, plain and simple.
@@Vashy434 The irony here it that YOU refuse to accept that people who don't identify as hating aren't hating. ALL self identification can be disagreed with without the requirement for hate.
@@duncanhubbard6913 Theres no irony there. I have never once said hating someone was innately bad. I for one, think hating Jordan Peterson is perfectly fine. But you are wrong, when you vocalize being against the existence of an entire class of people, an act which in this case has been linked to direct harm and even death, with blatant disregard for their safety and well being. It is indistinguishable from hate.
"Never hate your enemies; it affects your judgment." Michael Corleone
Love your enemies - Jesus
Seems like an oximoron to not hate someone you consider an enemy if you don't hate them why are they your enemy?
Kill your enemies and let your hatred keep you warm.
@@stuckinthemud4352 Hate doesn't provide a basis for Reason.
A reasonable person can handle their enemies more effectively than those who hate them.
"Love thine enemy" - Jesus of Nazareth
I’m a lefty, ‘socialist’ liberal. And while I don’t always agree with Dr. Peterson on issues (I don’t ALWAYS agree with anyone, truthfully…who does?) on this issue he is 100% correct. I address my trans friends and family as they wish me to-and gladly and lovingly do it. But the minute we open that door, to gvmnt interference in speech, it doesn’t close again. And that could have catastrophic consequences.
C-16 has been passed for years and what your saying makes no sense, literally nothing has changed.
C-16 only adds gender to protected classes, that's it. Don't be ignorant like petershit.
Kudos on you for being able to jump through hoops to placate a subset of people who have particular needs to be met. Like respecting whatever identity they choose for themselves, and requiring others to participate in that endeavour.
But others will struggle with this! So... Does that make them transphobic? Bigoted? I've met and interacted with PLENTY of gay, lesbian and bisexual individuals, but there is no requirement for me to change an already established narrative! There is no extra work that I need to do, to acknowledge and accept who they are. No special pronouns... No need for me to decode their identity... Nothing! They are who they are, whether I choose to accept them or not!
So I have to be honest, if I did come across a person who was trans, I would be very uncomfortable with that situation, because one wrong move or mistake on my part, could bring about unwanted scrutiny. Indeed, I would probably remove myself from that situation, in order to eliminate the possibility of a misunderstanding!
If I was in a situation where I had no choice, then I would simply insist on calling them on a first name basis only! Because to be BRUTALLY frank, I would mess up these new pronouns! I have enough problems on my plate already! So I really don't want to participate in this pronoun situation.
Does that make me a bad person?! Because I don't want to get involved???
Socialist liberal? And I'm a dictator who loves democracy
@@Ahmad-bu5ggall just division words anyway
There is no such thing as free speech. It's myth Americans cling to. If you invoke hate, violence or attack the state and its individuals, or a group of Individuals, see how far your free speech argument gets you.
Freedom is a myth. We're all governed by a huge amount of law and regulations.
Because freedom turns out doesn't create a cohesive society, its creates anarchy.
I love Stossel's interview technique here! He plays devil's advocate to try to get a more genuine response from the interviewee! I love that technique!
Why is it that he can explain something so clearly yet some people can only hear what they want it to mean
Very familiar with this phenomenon
Those people were probably raised by irrational parents.
They aren't capable of LISTENING!
Subjectivism. Ergo, why the liberal worldview is fundamentally wrong.
You sweet summer child
the fact that he has to explain this over and over again for people to understand this simple fact is scary.
He has to repeat it for leftists only.
@@piotr004 for every ideologue. Even those on the right. The left had become more and more ideological over the years, but the right also has its ideologies, and some will take Jordan’s words to mean “it’s okay to hate x”. Both sides’ ideologues are equally stupid.
He’s not repeating this over and over… TH-cam shorts are on a loop. Glad I could help
He has to explain this over and over because he was (and apparently still is) 100% incorrect about bill C-16. It no more "compels speech" than any other harassment or hate speech law has in the past.
So if you continue railing against a bill which legal experts have repeatedly told you does not "compel speech" we can't help but wonder what your objection really is...
The fact you think this reasoning is applicable is scary. He is just lying about the bill and what it did/does.
He has never hated trans people, just he didn’t like limiting speech. Which I agree with him on 100%
He does think rather disparagingly of trans people though. He compared the idea that you determine your own identity to playing God.
People love to fight against a straw man version of Peterson.
You score more points if you can fight the underdog fight against the monster you invent
It's all imagination anyway. I would debate Mr Peterson himself on that. It would be short. Legally compelled speech is really scary. So he and I would shake hands and move on. Why do people get so scared of words?
@@lachlanhenry486BOO!!!💀...scared ya .didn't I...
@lachlanhenry486 did you just say words were scary and why do other people get scared of words in the same breath?
Do you not see your own hypocrisy?
YOU'RE THE SCARED ONE.
@@user-so2mj8cj1edude.. it's not the words that are scary it's the implications of compelled speech that's scary..
Use ya brain next time.
Interviewer: do drink water?
Jordan: yes
Interviewer: so you like Hitler?
Interviewer: do you like orange juice?
Jordan: sure
Interviewer: say "orange juice".
Jordan: no.
Interviewer: why do you hate orange juice?
“Apples or oranges?”
“Apples.”
“You racist son of a…”
I wonder why they think that
Where are they coming from??
Thats just what Stossel does. He in no way supports the question he just plays devils advocate. He actually agrees with JP a lot and is a libertarian. But you wouldn’t know unless you’ve actually watched the guy more than 30sec clips.
@@mshklh2099 If someone has a different opinion, they're fascists.🤷♂️
When I first heard his argument on this, I was intrigued by this man's ability to cut right to the heart of the matter. And ever since then he has continued to do so. Frequently he has made statements and I have thought that he articulated an idea I had as well but couldn't have put it so concisely into words. Gotta love this guy.
hes a biggoted pseudointelectual moron
Except that the bill had nothing to do with compelling speech and he's a bullshit artist.
Why? His claim to fame is predicated on a bill he misrepresents. Hit "cut to the heart of the matter" was to ignore the bill and grandstand about something unrelated.
Too bad he's just wrong in this specific case.
Jordan Peterson was proven wrong by the Canadian bar association about
C-16. It was and is not compelled speech, and yet here he is. Still
lying and whining like a little B. This is what happen when pseudo
intellectuals misunderstand and misrepresent the facts. Keep lyin JP.
Now that you're in bed with Shapiro it will come like breathing to you
We got to love this guy. Freedom must be defended at all cost.
We need to stop conflating hating a person and disagreeing with the actions of a person. Just because you don't agree with the trans sports issue doesn't mean you hate a person for being trans. We need to be able to have conversations in this country instead of painting every disagree as hate or hate speech. Yes, of course, there is some real hatred in this world but most Americans are good, honestly, loving people. They just have a different viewpoint or understanding of an issue.
"Just because I don't do what you tell me to do doesn't mean I hate you." - The mind of rational people.
Edit: Thank's to all the people willing to share their thoughts with me!
Isn’t that obvious though
@@TomasBregman Apparently not according to the transgender movement when we call them by their real pronouns.
His claims about the bill have been endlessly debunked
@@zachwashtub2250 what were his claims?
@@EternityUnknown I mean isn’t it like calling someone a nickname they hate
What makes JP stand out is his lucidity. Most people feel in their guts what is right but have difficulty in verbalizing their justifications.
Except Bill C16 didn't mention pronouns or compelled speech. Only in his fevered imagination.
Most people just hate trans people while JP doesn't
Beautifully stated!
He’s an old boomer with a calcified ideological structure that doesn’t apply to today. Doesn’t understand Marxism and quotes Jung, the worst of Freud’s disciples, way too much to take JBP seriously. He’s a smart man for idiots.
Say it in English
Jordan is so passionate on knowledge wish our leaders were made from his mold
It is ok to be against (hate) ideologies or beliefs. Hate the game, not the player.
True. The player will hate you once he realizes he's been played.
Fuvk that. If the player is adamant about getting us all thrown in jail for disagreeing I hate them. The ideology isn't just teams people exist. It's agree with us or die
@@iwillnotcomply6001 i don't agree with you. So now what
Is that sarcasm? Irony? Covid? Madness? I don't know what that is or how stupid you are.
@@iwillnotcomply6001 Player can have their ideologies if said player can't dictate the rules of the game. Your intolerance of their intolerance is just another type of intolerance. So in a way when you wrote that comment you had similar mentality to today's transmovement.
I hope someday you could see your mentality's flaws.
"No it's not okay to hate anyone maybe even particularly your enemies" --J.P
Thank you captain obvious.
@@Crimeariver1 no bother 👙
May God bless yer
This I don't agree with. Conservatives are weak because of this mindset.
@@Crimeariver1 get dafoe outta here
@@Alex-ih9lc For what? Are your lil fee fees hurt? Seems like everyone’s lil fee fees are hurting today.
Makes complete sense. Hes standing up for protection of freedom of speech but people hate on him because "he doesn't wanna use trans pronouns" 🙄
I, and most others will never use these silly pronouns.
I believe that its not even that he doesn't want to use different pronouns, he simply doesn't want to be compelled to
the law doesn’t even require that he made up an issue to be mad about. harassment has always been illegal and that’s what the law pertains to. nothing at all about what he’s ever said.
@@toby3817 exactly. Hes not saying I personally hate or don't want to use these terms but you trying to make it a law to force me to say them is illegal because its takin my freedom of speech away
@@derrickblackwood8852 There’s a pronoun in your sentence
Everyone here being like: “disagreeing with someone’s right to presence in public life isn’t HATING them” The mental gymnastics on that one
This isn't the first time he has made anti trans comments. He also said women could never be happy unless they had children...
This Canadian understands the U.S. Constitution and it's laws better than most Americans.
@Lavonne Lester He clearly even mentions and is talking about the U.S. Supreme Court and their decision. He's talking to a U.S. reporter about U.S. laws and the U.S. Constitution. Not sure where you're coming from.
he talking about English law he clearly says it
@@hod2116 He brings up US like 5 times
This is not really a big thing.
As a black person, i can know more about white history than a random white person.
I've have several instances in life where white people can "act blacker" than me and even know more about black history than me.
I've finally come to the realization that it both does and doesnt matter.
1) its good that white people learn about black people with such fervor.
(And in that same way this Canadian knows much about US Law systems.)
2) its good that black people learn history (which is kinda also white history in ways cuz UK is a white=euro nation that came to the USA)
3) I still know and cherish other nuances of blackhood that I'll only experience even as they'll experience different experiences of whitehood.
All in all.
This guy is a professor so our Laws are very much intertwined.
Canadian and USA both came from UK colonization as such our laws are modeled and are derived from them.
Personally I'd like to think US is better than UK since we dont have the OLD laws to observe. But sadly there are cons with a clean slate laws being written but at that point we modeled our laws after UK and improved what we didn't like.
Namely democracy. (Id have to confirm when parliament came into play and the crown became less in control of how their nation is run but even UK has a semblance of democracy these days)
@@ericolens3 I'd have to disagree with your view on UK democracy I'd say it was far more democratic far earlier than the us given when everybody had the right to vote ie people of Chinese not till the 50ts
This is the beauty of Jordan Peterson, he gets a loaded question from the media and is able to answer in a way that gets everyone to agree
John Stossel is one of the few journalists out there with integrity left, he doesn’t go easy on those he interviews but his question was meant to set Peterson up to make his point as effectively as possible
@@amihere383 You mean the guy that got bitch slapped by a wrestler for calling it fake. The bumps are very real and can be very dangerous if done incorrectly.
@@danspawn85 wrestling is fake
@@danspawn85 So you are saying that acting out stunts on a bouncy surface, can't be dangerous? I didn't know it was impossible for stunts to be dangerous.
@@danspawn85 You're about 30 years late to this argument. Nobody even tries to argue pro wrestling isn't fake anymore.
I am sure some of the moves have the potential to be dangerous if performed incorrectly. The same is true of stage magic. Doesn't make it "real", just means that a lot of practice has to go into the choreography.
Many of you are still missing the point!!!
Peterson made it clear that it wasn’t about hate, even though that’s the part that some of you are so obsessed with. It was about compelled speech!
It’s not ok to hate anyone*. But you can still hate what they do to themselves and others (lifestyles).
So wishing that someone made better choices is NOT to hate them. It’s actually a show of love, because you want was is best when it comes to everyone. We want them to make GOOD choices, and to draw the most from the benefits.
And to expect (or demand) that everyone else accept or love every one of your particularly wrong life choices and lifestyle is utterly irrational, narcissistic and harmful thinking.
Then again, we struggle not to hate those who are shooting up so many of our schools and places of worship. Hard, but not impossible. If it were easy, Jesus wouldn’t have told us several times that we must love (or wish the best for) our enemies.
* Two biggest commandments were about Love: 1) love God about all things and 2) love your neighbor as you love yourself
So what God loves/hates supersedes what we (or anyone) love/hate(s)
Yo tengo una sugerencia sobre un tema de un vídeo y es sobre Jordan Peterson, pues comentas de vez en cuando sobre lo que dice y hace pero nunca algo a profundidad, me interesa saber cuáles son tus pensamientos acerca se ello.
Remember shorts are clips taken out of context, this was actually a very good interview. The interviewer was purposefully asking these questions so that viewers had clarification of what Jordan stood for which was a very good play by the interviewer.
Yeah John Stossel is a libertarian so he’s going to give people a chance to clarify their remarks. I guarantee that he agrees with Peterson
What's funny is I could tell he was being facetious by his body language
Yeah, John Stossel is a pretty good guy. He's not always on the mark policy-wise, but he sure as hell always gives a mostly objective viewpoint whenever he's interviewing people.
@@Mr_Mistah Yes so could I plus I’ve been watching him for 25 years!
@@AwesometownUSA John Stossel has been in the business since 1970 I was in high school at the time
"I do not agree with your opinion, but come with me if you want to live"
-Robocop
I think you mean Terminator 😂.
@@SilenceDogooder Definitely it was Terminator.
ROADHOUSE
@@SilenceDogooder twilight actually
Breakfast At Tiffiny's.. Love that movie
His point is spot on. We are seeing more and more of this in a variety of governments. It all is ridiculous and needs to stop.
Thank you Jordan for speaking the truth.
I personally think being trans shouldn’t lead to forced inclusive speech, I think peoples delusions shouldn’t be played into but I wish the best for them and want what’s healthiest for them, which isn’t to give them free reign on redefining biology. My best friend’s partner is trans, we hang out all the time, and I think they want what’s best for people. It’s just sad to see them affected by this.
"So you're saying trans people are your enemy." - Cathy Newman
who said that ? who said trans people are an enemy?. dont twist words. omg !
XD
@@lucindaconley9578 Cathy Newman
Cathy Newman didn't say it. Google it.
@@lucindaconley9578 wooosh!
So what you’re saying is…
So then what you mean is…
So you’re saying that…
xD
The most beautiful thing about him is how he has such a healthy grasp on common sense, and to those who don’t, it may seem he is emotionless and cold, however it feels as though he is one of the most emotional speakers I’ve ever witnessed. He expresses himself with such a high level of respect and clarity, and yet onlookers like to make it seem as though he has no idea what he’s talking about. Meanwhile he’s only saying what many of us have been feeling for decades. A genuinely good human being, I respect him so much.
Dr JP is a virtuous person. He studied human suffering and nature of man. We must have ethics to raise us up against animals.
Yes. And he has said that people who have no common sense of their own (without him advising them) is the one thing that makes him so angry! Wow. Lol!
Can you explain exactly what his point is to me? Because I'm getting that he's against c-16 but not why. All it does is constitute transphobia as a hate crime. It doesn't impact free speech at all. I don't understand why he thinks it results in "compelled speech". It doesn't. It exactly the same as saying defining racism as hatespeech is impacting free speech. All its doing is providing consequences to malicious people who target marginalised groups. How is that a bad thing?
He doesn't talk common sense, he talks from a rigid standpoint that is averse to change in society. He would have been the kind of person who would have fought against the new view that the world is not flat or that the sun does not revolve around the Earth. A closed mind is an ignorant mind
@@gillb9222What rubbish is this?
You feel compelled speach is a fluid concept? A positive concept? You forecast no slippery slope occuring with the enactment of this concept.
You are rigid with ignorance.
Again he has to explain this. Not shocking, just sad.
It’s actually great to see that people with a voice have not lost their humanity. Hate in the world is at an all times high. We need to teach humanity is first!
One of the biggest ways they're undermining our society is by making hate synonymous with speaking out against something or someone. As well as redefining words. Someone gets accused of assault only to find out they simply told someone they were wrong.
whos the theyre?
@@tobiwells3051 all the progressive leftists pushing ideologies such as transgenderism, abortion, dissolution of the nuclear family, ect.
@@jeffr5552 "ideologies like transgenderism" so you dont like trans people?
Who's "they"?
@@idzidz833 All the progressive leftists pushing ideologies such as transgenderism, abortion, dissolution of the nuclear family, ect.
“If you think of people as simply enemies or allies, it may be impossible to grasp the truth.” - Edelgard von Hresvelg
"Not everybody who helps you is your friend and not everyone who hurts you is your enemy." - Mike Tyson
You.
"Why do we need allies and enemies beyond games in the XXI century?" - me
@@DamianSzajnowski because neither will ever disappear as long as people are around. Do you believe we are in some enlightened post-history age or something similarly foolish?
I've played through all the routes(except SS), when does Edelgard say this? I don't remember this at all.
The issue is they're trying to make hatred a literal criminal offence, and also trying to redefine hatred to include anything they don't like.
Dr. Peterson is brilliant.
He certainly thinks he's brilliant but he clearly doesn't understand the difference between common law, ie law based on historical precedents decided by judges, and legislated law introduced, debated, and decided by Parliament. That's a basic distinction that should be understood by someone still in high school.
@@davidbouvier8895 Which is why the US has the Supreme Court, so that Congress and the President can't repeal the First Amendment.
So your argument is specious.
@@plumbthumbs9584 It wasn't an argument. It was a statement of fact.
Just occurred to me that Jordan willingly attends debates and interviews where he knows the other person (and their entire team) try to paint him as a villain. What a life to live 😂
Because he knows it'll get him famous
They usually fail because he is too intelligent. And not in way of twisting words. He is right most of the time and knows why and can state why.
@@anthonylopez5 Never see him enough that's for sure! He is very, very good....
It’s like sparring to him I think.
@@anthonylopez5 Stossel always has been trustworthy, and paid for it a time or two.
His tone of voice his cool demeanor gives a lot of power to his message
My exact thoughts... I would listen to him speak on any aspect of our society, because he is articulate and respectful. And he never Never generalize an entire group of people based on the behaviour of a few... Compared to most podcast.
Except he’s wrong on first principles, you can read bill c-16, it’s a publicly available document, it does not compel you do say anything and does not make misgendering a crime as he has claimed previously, if he can’t read a bill that’s a page long I would seriously question his competence.
@@Max._Power You're delusional, he testified in the hearings for bill c-16 amongst Canadian legislators. Go watch it and see how far-off you are.
@@brotherben4600 well I posted a link to the bill but the comment got deleted, you can read all 3 versions for yourself, misgendering being a hate crime/ illegal isn’t in there
@@Max._Power If you had watched his explanation, you’d know that already. The wording was implied, it wasn’t a set ruling but it opened up the gates to it. Please watch Jordan Peterson talking in Canadian chambers. He testified on the bill regarding this, so, you are incorrect.
"It's not okay to hate anyone, not even your enemies.. Except Palestinians, give 'em hell!!" -Jordan Peterson
You nailed it!
Fighting back isn't the same as hating.
@@bhazerelli7611yeah but 5 month long genocide is.
@drewbiedubious1723 Maybe, but this isn't genocide, it is going after Hamas. They have to go after Hamas to prevent Hamas from committing the genocide that they intend against Israel and Jewish people. Unfortunately, Hamas hides behind innocent people so that they can get the rest of the world to judge Israel. It works on the people who let emotions cloud their view of reality.
@@bhazerelli7611 Watermelon people been fighting back ever since they were driven out of their homes decades ago yet they're labeled as bigoted extremist hateful terrorists, where's your logic in that ?
Most people don’t like being force fed behaviors and ideas (adults and children alike) so it’s understandable that forcing speech evokes pushback. Most parents understand that children are malleable and therefore don’t want their kids to be exposed to ideas that may result in confusion and a desire for surgery that is life altering. This approach isn’t about hating trans people. It’s about loving our kids and knowing their thoughts and feelings change.
Imagine what the government could do if they could make people only be allowed to say certain things… no dissent allowed.
There's something even worse which Peterson is talking about. Compelled speech. It's not what you can't say. We already have laws like this. For example you are not allowed to yell "Fire!" in a crowded room unnecessarily -- it is against the law. But compelled speech is worse -- and there has never been a law in English common law for it (which virtually all Western countries follow) -- compelled speech is not what you can't say, but what you HAVE TO say.
Compelled speech is like in North Korea where the people were required to act sad at the passing of Kim Jong Ill.
We pretty much have that already
In essence the government can use “trans rights” as a ploy to infringe upon free speech, slowly changing the laws until there is enough power to eliminate any speech. And we know where that leads…
China, North Korea, Russia Nazi Germany. It's all ready happened and is happening now.
The issue is COMPELLED SPEECH by a tiny fraction of a minority of the population, who is Non-conformist by nature demanding that everyone conform to their specific personal non-conformity. Free speech is the right to speak how you please not the right to demand everyone say what you want cause you’re the most special snowflake. If you need people to parade you around and congratulate you all the time for your life choices because you can’t stand on your own then you have made the wrong life choices.
This comment is like putting up a driving sign for pedestrians, they will never get it and the ones that do know the truth, no one hates them, it's a very small fraction of people that perform hate crimes against them, if they had any resistance their movement wouldn't be going so well, I mean, they are even being able to change laws! The truth is hardly any one cares and that is the real problem. We are living in an era that everyone is so "self-everything" so it's the best time to do whatever you want. But, They want the attention. They want everyone to acknowledge them, see them, call them by whatever they please because that's what makes them feel important, and since they aren't getting that, they are deciding to go through extreme lengths to get that feeling of importance, ie, besides trying to ruin the only constant since slavery, free speech, they are brainwashing children, putting tampons in boys bathrooms and trying to let grown men into girls locker rooms, and crying "hate" when you don't agree. I swear if we don't get on the same page with this it's going to be the beginning of the end
well it's not really a choice for trans people. it's like depression where the only way to solve it is through transition. Anyways, I just wanted to say we already have compelled speech laws called hate speech and they are much more severe than school rules for courtesy. There are no laws declaring you must use someone's preferred pronouns
@@ashtimbog nice of you to shove your point down my throat while simultaneously ignoring what I said after reporting it. You are a very nice person.
@@ashtimbog"it's like depression where the only way to solve it is through transition." Tell me your brainwashed without saying your brainwashed.
Pot, meet kettle
Glad Jordan clarified this. Perhaps too many people are using current events as justification for their own biases.
i am trans and i agree with him, compelled speech is ridiculous. if you don’t like how people refer to you you can ask them nicely but you can’t make them, and the onus is on you as well to change how you look so you fit in better how you want(which should be the entire point of a transtion)
Why do all journalists NOT LISTEN
I know. I feel like J.P. always has to clarify what he said
@@swisscheeseplease97 fortunately, he's VERY good at that.
@@algernonfesteringwound-ste5505 some would say the best.
eh.. Stossel was very clearly playing devils advocate in that interview
Their job isn’t to listen, their job is to make you look bad at all costs.
Mr. Peterson is probably one of the most intellectual speakers I’ve ever heard. Sad to see people hating him because he “hurts their feelings”.
People hate him because he is a liar and because he promotes nazi talking points (though that is beyond this video). He is just wrong about Bill C 16, all it did was add being trans to the list of things you can't discriminate against as an employer or landlord, just like religion, sexuality, etc. It had nothing to do with private speech.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 there it is. That word “Nazi”. A word commonly used by snowflakes who can’t handle how the real world works.
@@guardian7773 No, with him it is quite easy, if you know history and nazi rhetoric. Before they took power they were talking about "cultural bolshevism" a lot. This basically encompassed all kinds of progressive social change (including trans people even at the time). Today, Peterson loves to talk about the evils of Cultural Marxism, which, apart from changing bolshevism to Marxism, as nobody cares about bolsheviks anymore, hits the exact same points as nazis previously did, hence he is promoting nazi talking points.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 he literally condones it in every video I’ve seen. Which points does he push?
@@guardian7773 none of them, this dude is a clown.
Disagreeing with someone’s view doesn’t make it hateful.
We need more people like you guys! I dont mind if you don’t agree with the fact I’m trans it’s a problem when it becomes verbally or physically abusive! Yall are allowed to have your own opinions just like how I have mine 😊
“I do not agree with your opinion, but I will die for your right to have it.” - idk George Washington or something
edit: it wasn’t actually George Washington, it was Mike Oxlong
No, it’s Voltaire, a FRENCH philosopher
@@akhille6915 the joke
Your head
@@akhille6915 I know…
@@akhille6915 Wasn't even Voltaire, it was his biographer.
No, it was Sun Tzu..... or T.Hand Rail or somebody.
He didn´t say "Stop hating Trans People" ,he saif "Stop hating any people"
They are the ones preaching hate.
@@Attmay What hate? I don't hate you, nor any other group of people. I don't encourage anyone to act with hostility towards non trans people. And I think that one of the best things I can do is to do my part to help trans and others come to a common understanding and care about each other. I just want mutual respect.
It’s funny how well you laid out that it’s the exact same matchup as “black lives matter” and “all lives matter”, and it’s equally hateful because it tacitly denies that trans people get a lot of hate and hate crimes against them. But it’s also weak language, which JP loves to use because it’s easy to backpedal from.
Imagine doing that limpdick shit
@@CynicallyDepressedx it's a classic case of radical leftists highjacking a good progressive movement and turning it into something else. Most trans people are just people who are trans and not radical leftists or hate filled and just want to be themselves. Too bad a lot of trans activists don't do a good job representing the community
These are my two favorite people to listen to
He is so knowledgeable... it's endless. I listen to him often enough. He can speak about just about anything and intelegently and articulately so. He's amazing. Hes the same energy as Robin Williams but in a totally different area, forum and platform. He's amazing to listen to, even when he loses me😂❤
6 years on and he still has to explain his position, all because folks get well caught up in their feelings and respond with knee jerk reactions
Feelings suede ones judgment.
No its because he is wrong on C-16 so people want to know if he still spews their bs.
@@Cyborg_Lenin All the law is about is discrimination against people based on their gender identity. Their is nothing about what Jordan is talking about in it.
he blatantly made toxic comments about trans people
@@Dat1frog Proove it. Anywase, if true, would that mean the points he made in this video were wrong? No
"It's not okay to hate anyone."
"UP YOURS WOKE MORALISTS"
Well they are hating him and attacking him from the start, of course he is going to defend himself. Thats hardly hate.
You can be flamboyant without being hateful
@@lazar2949 Peterson went out of his way to attack and deadname Elliot Page, repeatedly, with intent to harm. How is that not hate under the same definition?
@George I’m just saying, this defense he’s making is simply a way of making himself seem better and more civil than he is.
@@viscounttudon68 How do you harm an adult with words?
😂
Hate is a wasted emotion that prevents you from understanding a different perspective, potentially making a friend and therefore destroying an enemy
The irony is people trying to just ask questions are seen as "hateful", and the people who claim to be "progressive and understanding" actually hate the people who are just asking questions.
no such thing as wasted emotion. only improperly applied ones. It is not wrong to Hate Evil and to Love Good. Loving your enemies is not the same as loving their evil. And to affirm that it is insulting to them to say their lifestyle is evil...is itself evil, my friend. Love the sinner and hate the sin is a truth regardless of your religious beliefs or lack thereof.
This is the heart of the argument
Honestly it’s ok to feel any emotion just don’t act on every emotion
this is one of the best comments ive read
well said man!
Very wise.. we can’t control our emotions, but we can control our actions
I'd go even further to say it's ok to hate AND it's ok to act. HOWEVER, in a society, there are rules and they have consequences. I'm only speaking from the bigger picture here, that's all.
@@zacharyhachey4166 , you're speaking from the perspective of a murderer.
The media is always trying to trip him up
That is stossles character. He agrees with jp
That's John Stossel, he does this to anyone he interviews.
He probably agrees with peterson in this aspect.
@@sideshowbob6241 doesn't seem like he's trying to misrepresent peterson at all. (y'know, like most journalists do) he's asking a straight forward question that people seem to be interested in. (like the actual journalists that became an endangered species in 2008)
Yet they fail every time 💪😀
@@XxXMrSisterFisterXxX John Stossel is one of the last remaining well intentioned journalists. He's a libertarian kind of guy, similar to Peterston, and has been in the game for 40 years or so.
I have been saying this before, during, currently, and after he has been vilified in the media.
His complaint is *THAT* the Canadian government is compelling speech. Not *WHAT* they're compelling.
Thank God that SOMEONE with a platform had the integrity to stand up with integrity.
Some groups go by "if you aren't with me you are against me"
@@averystevenson7155 please tell me your joking how can a rational mind think this is perfectly fine, god damn I'm actually shocked this is the mentality of some people
that’s group identity. hence the reason why i do not want to be associated
@@averystevenson7155 Lmao no quite the opposite actually.
I believe in science so im never gonna think that men and women are the same and that gender is fluid, i dont have a problem if someone thinks that way as long as they dont impose their beliefs onto others
@@hidenname541 not imposing beliefs is a good start but it's just that, a start. They shouldn't be engineers. Do engineering with a whacked concept of truth and a habit of denying science and you'll get people maimed or killed.
@@averystevenson7155 lay off the meth dude 🤣ur fvcking crazy and Im not saying that cuz ur trans ur just seriously a lunatic if u think normal ppl minding they're own business in life not giving a f what ur doing r somehow the problem foh with that nonsense foreal foreal
One of the issues of hate is it's become a trend. A lot of people hate because they've been self-convinced to do so, rather than developing a personal reason to hate; usually through social media. However this does not mean it's inherently wrong to hate someone. The real problem is when you decide to act on that hatred, if you catch my drift. You can hate without being aggressive about it. It may not be easy for some people, but it is possible. It's all about self control.
People have become too eager to reply to someone before they allow the other person to finish speaking. During that time, they stopped listening and were in the process of formulating their response, so they missed what the person was actually saying.
Listen first, then formulate your response.
If they can control what you're speaking, they can control what you're thinking. Cause mostly, we think in words.
Bill C 16 had nothing to do with private speech, it was about discrimination in the workplace and by landlords, adding being trans to the list of things you can't discriminate against.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 Exactly. Thank you for pointing this out: petersonian drones tend to simply take Peterson at his word and rave on about his supposed heroism while he's simply wrong about this or worse wilfully misrepresents reality in order to suit his needs. A.k.a he's lying his ass off.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 nobody ever said anything about private speech. You can say whatever you want in private. You can deal with discrimination without government legislation. Boss can fire an employee for being a dick to someone, however it's not illegal to be a dick. Bill C-16 is about compelled speech and that shouldn't exist ever. You can legislate a law that forbids people from calling transgender people slurs for example and that wouldn't be right either. It's not illegal to call people racial slurs, there would be cultural and social consequences, but no legal. It's not illegal to offend anyone in general, why do we have to make an exception for one specific group of people. That could lead to another group feeling envy "Hey, we want too!"
@@thesilvanalyst6880 I just read what the bill was about, because your comment made me curious. Yes it does involve private speech.
Why none of the weirdos comment or try and refute when y’all bring receipts, interesting ain’t it.
The closer I get to God, the more I understand you shouldnt even hate your enemies.
It is 100% OK to hate. You cannot claim to love something/someone, unless you hate that which would harm or destroy it.
"It's not particularly OK to hate anyone, maybe even your enemies". Interview should've ended there.
He doesn't hate them but he won't refer to them by their chosen name, if my name is mark you don't get to call me dave
@@batsardcat3285actually people can call you whatever they want, jack.
As a transgender person, I truly do respect this man.
Fucking same, he is by far one of the most respectful traditionalists I have seen
Did you know that he antagonized Trudeau for giving condolences at Club Q in Colorado Springs because of the shooting?
Well he sure doesnt respect you.
@@adamushu yet he says that he doesn't hate transgenders. hell, hate anyone. Yes I understand that disrespect and hate are different things. If you talk to this man. And talk to him with an open mind. Keyword: open. He will respect you for respecting his opinions. Because in the end. That's what opinions are. Your own. You're perfectly fine with sharing them with the world. And the same with trying to change one's opinion. But if you insult someone just because you don't like their opinion? That shows one's lack of maturity considering the fact that they couldn't even BEGIN to comprehend the opinion that they insulted. As long as you keep an open mind while talking to him. He will do the same thing for you. the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. Have a nice day.
@@karkatvantas978
Where was this respect towards Elliot Page?
You are 💯 correct Jordan.Thank you for standing up for our constitution.
It goes to show you that it’s best to have a loyal enemy than a hypocrite.
I think of people pay attention more to what he says they will see he's not transphobic he's don't hate trans people. He's just against the people that try to push their s*** on to other people like kids because when you're a kid you really don't think of sex or your sexuality you think about hey this looks fun or this looks pretty or hey let me try this it's the thoughts that make it about sexuality which is kind of sick no matter who you are just let a kid be a kid and just let the kid enjoy life before he grows up to be an adult because us as adults all know it sucks being an adult so stop pushing your s*** off on two kids that's what I get out of it anyway.
I hate to tell you this but gender dysphoria typically develops in young children around 4
@@Jinkroll and what about some of these kids that are not really getting to choose sometimes their parents are choosing for them. Like not too long ago I heard and watch this couple telling their little baby girl she is transgendered she was a baby you're going to mess that kids system up not knowing what she really wants and when she probably grows up she's going to regret it because she didn't get to choose the parents got to choose Little steps so you don't hurt or just screw up someone's life or screw up your own life make sure you're really ready for it.
@@Jinkroll an unbased google search isn't enough to sterilize or confuse a kid
@@Cabininthedark that literally does not happen.
@@Jinkroll gender dysphoria was extremely rare hardly heard of untill Jenner transitioned an won woman of the year. Then there’s was a huge shift w media giving social praise to anyone who had it so I can imagine tons of unpopular or even just confused normal children see people getting all this attention and fane if they just say they are the other gender naturally your gonna see a huge uptick in this shit. It’s wild to me how many people don’t understand this, it’s not making the subject more accepted it’s making it “popular/in style”
"Hatred" damages the Hater more than the hated.
Socrates is that you?
Tell that to Donald Trump
Ask the jews their thoughts on that
@@fuzzyourfaceoff There is a cure to TDS, you can be free if you only try.
@@fuzzyourfaceoffwell he really didn't hate even 3% what the media told you he did so that's why he's fine
Has he lost his license yet? Canadian courts are very strict about matters like this. We do not want unqualified psychologists practicing in our country, especially spreading hate against the vulnerable.
Thank you for standing up for free speech!
Exactly. You can have compassion and empathy for others while disagreeing with them strenuously.
That isn't exactly the takeaway here.
More along the lines of "don't get government involved, and let people be people".
For, against, ambivalent. That should remain up to individuals, not the government trying to regulate it.
It's difficult to show compassion for females who want penises and males who want vaginas. How do you not want to kill them!? Some humans deserve death by the hands of those also broadly not good but better than the lowest morality life decisions on earth. Many people born and made deserve death.
@@tommymakem2611 If they don’t understand Don’s takeaway then they won’t even read your takeaway.
@@Alex-ih9lc
Perhaps.
I've been screaming into the void for decades though, that's fine.
Well said
You’ve heard it said love those who love you and hate your enemies but I say onto you love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. That said about 2000 years ago and still holds true today
Jesus Christ, correct?
Yes indeed 👍
God bless
say it to Ukrainians ;))))
@@JacobsKrąnųg It applies to everyone.
i agree! hating people is bad and not helpful, but there has for quite some time always been anti harrassment which seems a little slimey to potray it as compelled speech.
I had this conversation a long time ago as it pertained to Healthcare. Compelling someone to pay into a system through threat of jail vs encouraging people to donate are 2 widely different things. I forget exactly how the conversation broke down but at one point I was asked a question that went something along the lines of "so then assholes like you don't ever contribute to society while someone else suffers?"
2 things popped into my mind. 1 I was happy to finally get a moment with a genuine response and not a virtue signaling, holier than thou response. The other thought was how terrifying it is to value freedom and to shame and label someone an awful name just because you'd rather force them to acting the way you want them to act and you'd be willing to take their hard earned money by force and throw them in jail or prison because they would rather spend the money they make on their family of if they simply couldn't lend a hand. I even pointed out how instrumental GoFundMe is at helping. The response I got was, "So I should have to beg people to help?"
The fact that asking for help is somehow more shameful but that threatening to make someone a criminal if they don't isn't is also deeply desturbing.
Peterson is proof that one man can make a difference in society.
I love how when the interviewer kinda poked Jordan with that question at the beginning, he didn't get upset with him for taking things out of context even tho he did. Jordan is the goat
The interviewer actually agrees with peterson but just asked it to play devils advocate for the interview so peterson did not take offense
J. Peterson is lying though. Anti-discrimination laws for private speech have existed for decades. All they wanted to do is include trans people into the bill
he also though made other comments that shows he does hate trans people
Yeah, John Stossel agrees with Jordan Peterson on pretty much everything.
@@Dat1frog yea in one interview he said trans women aren't women, in another he said "we don't have to believe in your ideology", and then he made an ad about christianity and said "well, why would you join it? Why wouldn't you! You got nothig to loose! Even if it doesn't correspond with your beliefs" It's a double-standard. He's a hypocrite.
When it comes to LGBTQ people he doesn't want people to be nice to them but when it comes to christianity he wants everyone to forget their knowledge and join it like sheep.
What I hate is the insistence that I have to ignore my own ability to recognise reality.
When my enemies hate they already lost. Nothing is required by me. I will wish for their well being and go help people.
I was always taught by my mother that hate is a terrible emotion and I should never hate anyone. It wasn’t until adulthood that I learnt that it’s a very liberating feeling to let go hate. I don’t allow anyone to hold that power over me or live rent free in my brain. I much prefer to get along with everybody, but if I don’t get on with someone they are insignificant to me and I don’t give them another thought.
Is long as it works, thats wonderful.
The only problem becomes when people go in your personal space.
Altho, you dont need to hate anyone in order to defend yourself, so thats also..
Really, what is the point of hating someone, it doesent do anyone any good, even if its hating the most eveil person alive.
Everything can be done without the need of hate.
But its a damn difficult emotion to get out of.
Im generally a calm person amd i dont hate almost anyone.
I dont really think of those i hate much unless im analising somrthing they say or do ( at which point i might find myself hating on occasion)
Anger sure, i have some , more oftain than hate.
I think. People latch in to it because it feels almost good, and its motibating too. From personal experience thats how its been like for me when i. Used to hate alot more.
Im too tired to write more, tho its an interesting topic, maybe for tomorow or another time.
Have a nice day
The is a difference between anger and hatred. Anger is the short term form of hatred and I think it’s absolutely appropriate to feel and express anger if you see injustice or violence against something you value.
A short and powerful retaliation to show the other party that you disagree is ok. Don’t be a pushover and stand for what you believe in.
But being consumed by hatred indeed is poison to the hater.
@@SanderBessels I understand the distinction between hatred and anger. Although I was making a specific point regarding hatred, I also think that anger is generally destructive. Anger, in my opinion, is indicative of poor impulse control. It’s counterproductive in debates or arguments, as well as in physical confrontations. One can be assertive and stand up for what you believe in without having anger or hatred drive you. Anger is a reactive emotion typified by impulsivity. Angry people go into a state of fight-or-flight and tend to react emotionally, they overreact. That overreaction is emotional reactivity. In that moment, our perceptions of the situation are altered. It narrows your focus both figuratively, and literally. Anger can cause a sudden rush of adrenaline which is known to occasionally cause tunnel vision. In combat a combat situation or in a fight it is very dangerous because while your central vision is focused on the primary threat, you may not see secondary threats, weapons of opportunity, or possible escape routes.
I was a boxing enthusiast as a child and into my early twenties until I switched focus to other forms of martial arts that I was practicing at the time, Muy Thai and Zen Chi Ryu. I started boxing to channel my anger issues. I discovered how detrimental anger can be a as people tend to lash out and make silly mistakes, open their guard, tire themselves out by taking wild swings. In boxing matches I would jab at opponents, trash talk, That can transfer into intellectual “fights” where anger makes people lash out and speak without measured and level headed responses.
@@Dan_Ben_MichaelThanks for the elaborate response! I fully agree and think that in your example you deserve a lot of respect for bringing uncontrolled emotional anger under control.
I was thinking more of situations where “all that evil needs for it to triumph, is for good people to remain silent.”
That’s a totally different situation. All I wanted to say is that there are situations where emotional anger is a useful emotion and expressing it sometimes is even the morally correct thing to do.
Love your last sentence 😆 You're not European, are you.
I love how silly he makes everyone look
He's making himself look silly when he says c-16 impacts free speech. It doesn't. All it does is protect trans people from discrimination in the workplace and from landlords. It's even stated very clearly that simply using incorrect pronouns is NOT enough to constitute criminal activity. All c-16 does is legally make discrimination against a person for being transgender a hate crime. That doesn't impact free speech in the same way that protecting black people from racism in the workplace isn't impacting free speech.
They do it themselves Jordan simply calls em out in it
it's particularly hateful to feed and perpetuate someone's self-deception and speed them along their path to self destruction
This is such a simple distinction. If you misunderstand this you are either brainwashed or intentionally misrepresenting him.
PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY JOURNALIST IN PRACTICE
“Journalist”, that long forgotten profession that used to be the counterbalance to power…
Why you YELLING though?
@@CoenBijpost the term journalist is used with many grains of salt
@@JPSimen because I feel it’s important and wanted people to see it😂
@@WickedIndigo they are going to take snipits our to get the narative they want.
This man isn't capable of hatred towards another human being. He's a neurotic compassionate man. It hurts him that he hurts people in pursuit of truthfulness . He wishes it did not. He wishes the truth went down as smoothly as the lies. It's a losing battle against antitruths
So in Constitution:
Lies=loose
Truth=hard
How is he neurotic? Please explain it to me?
@@jefftappan7973 You must think neurotic is a bad thing? It's just a personality trait. It means he worries alot.(way more goes into it but that's the gist of it).
@@botezsimp5808 this is an excellent explanation, thanks!
I'm pretty sure he himself would disagree with your claim that he isn't capable of hatred towards someone. He knows his shadow, probably has integrated it but that does not mean he is incapable of hatred. He is a most remarkable man though and has probably worked more on himself that most people.
It’s not ok to hate anyone. We are taught to love. Never to hate.
This clip is actually a really amazing summary of his point on this issue
@@chuckbuttons0699 Take off the tinfoil hat and stop crying like a little kid
Except thats not what c 16 says, JP strawmanned the bill and argued against his strawman.
@@aaronpannell6401 Nice lie. You haven't read it.
@@DrFrogglePhD you havent
@@aaronpannell6401 the attempt was compelled speech.
This man is brilliant calm and knowledgeable
I can't seem to comprehend how much pressure 😫 he has to deal within without shouting "stupid" .. this is the reason i want to go first on judgment day .. i don't want to listen to anyone's anything
Absolutely! I agree with Jordan
He is remarkably brilliant and kind.
It's not the person..it's the act. Satan is in charge of the Transperson-thats what we hate
The funny thing about this phenomenon with everybody thinking that disagreement = hatred, is that it's a thinking trap they teach you to dismantle in DBT therapy lol
when I hear ppl talking about how disagreeing is "tantamount to hatred" it really reminds me of my paperback DBT book and pamphlet on recognizing negative thinking traps 😂
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Great point! And then when disagreements are seen through this lens, people are likely to be more critical and defensive in response, which ends up looking a lot like hatred. Do you think this goes both ways; the more liberals and conservatives defend against the hatred they perceive, the more hateful they appear, even though deep down we all want to live in a world of acceptance?
Love the DBT reference!!! You're on the money.
same here! couldn’t agree more
It's really an intimidation tactic at first isn't it. A person wants to be right so bad, so they need to satisfy that narcissistic ego, they resort to primal urges to instill fear in someone so they can feel as though they are right
Do we REALLY need to have this conversation! Anyone being honest, that has listened to this man’s side, KNOWS he does not hate trans people!
I'll back that up n I'm Trans and am politically slightly left of center
Alas, we do need to keep having it. The difference for you is that you actually LISTENED to what he said. More, you comprehended it. I am glad that he gained so much notoriety from it, but wish there were more people like you
I am trans and agree with most things Jordan says. I don't see him hating anyone.
@@freebird9229 THANK YOU!