Hey, WaybackProxy author here. Thanks for featuring my work. I had originally started working on it for the same reason you've gone through - there's such a magic element to the 2000s Web that I grew up with. It really is a bummer that the Wayback Machine doesn't archive more complex Flash and Java stuff, but I did my best to try and fill in gaps in images and such. With all this attention, I'm planning on making improvements to the proxy in the near future, like a Dockerfile for easy installation, and maybe a better API for the Time Machine to communicate with.
Honestly doing God's work with this proxy, the fact you made it much easier to look at older websites is so cool! I do have a suggestion for a feature that I'm not sure if it's possible or not- adding a randomizer to the proxy so that you could press a button and go to any site that was captured on a specific day
ruffle is becoming a more popular browser embedded flash emulator but it currenttly only supports games programmed in Actionscript 1 and 2 so your mileage may vary
Very cool project! Just a thought, which might be way to complicated: Do you think it's doable to add more flash games to the old webpages by using the archives of BlueMaxima's Flashpoint to fill some more gaps? I can see it being a problem if websites all used different, custom names for the same flashprograms, but maybe it's not that bad . If it is causing problems, users could select a game from potential matches. And if you want to go all in: these manual selections could be saved which could be shared with a public database, smoothing out the experience over time.
Just think about the academic research that can take place!!!! Just think how confusing the ending citation would be for a webpage that no longer exists!! It is so wonderful!!!
If you provide a tutorial, I'd be really interested to try and build this little time machine! I work at a public library, and I think patrons would have a lot of fun if we had an "internet time machine" to try out.
OMG YES that would be the COOLEST thing! I've never seen something like that in a library, heck I never thought of that as a possibility. Just the fact that you brought this up makes me 🤯🤯🤯🤯 When you get that installed, I will WANT to come to your library 🤩
YES that would be perfect for a library libraries are already known for info so having a internet time machine in libraries would probably be a good way to modernize them
I agree! A tutorial with a basic gloss-over on how to do it all would be awesome. Otherwise you will be bombarded with people wanting YOU to build one for them! I would be one of them. :D
Well the shift from desktop browser design to mobile compatible design is what really destroyed 2000s era web design. That's why youtube got rid of custom backgrounds on channels. There are of course more factors than just that but I think it's a big part.
Plenty of websites had mobile version even back then but they were usually a separate URL. These days, or as of 2010, most websites want the main site to be mobile formatted out of convenience.
You can also thank Susan for a lot of the "improvements" she shoved down our throats. Remember the new lay-out designs after 2012? The forced Google+ integration? TH-cam Heroes?
20 years from now: “I built a time machine that reminded me of what it was like to be in VR for the first time. It’s not as interesting anymore now that we’re in it 24/7.”
@@lopiklop until it becomes effortless to use, solves the space problem somehow and has a use that's specific and exclusive to VR (and I don't mean a game), VR will never be the future. Its going to constantly be the "next big thing" that isn't happening yet. VR is amazing to use but the amount of hurdles it has to overcome to reach that level of ubiquity is far greater than the Internet ever had.
I love how old logos and websites look and really want that retro skeuomorphic look of web design to return because my god it looked so much cooler. This time machine is incredible!! Really wish that most websites worked or that the style would transfer over to current day technology, but hey, I'm not a smart guy and don't know how things work haha. Awesome video!
In b4 10,000,000 views. This project is pretty incredible! It doesn’t have to be complex to be a well executed good idea. I’m old, lol, but I lived through all of the eras of the internet you showed off. I feel like you hit the nail on the head with just about everything you had to say… …including your dislike for… some executions of “material design”. I hated when that era began.
I agree with you. Also, the modern internet now has so much unnecessary javascript running. I miss simple webpages with complicated visual design, rather than the complicated frameworks running on something like a recipe website.
@@can2835 Yes!!! Web pages are still too slow for computing power today. Latency is unsolvable yes, but there are far too many websites simply which are simply an excuse for bad programming
This really does bring back so many memories of going online in the 90's, and early 00's when it really was an event using dial-up. I met so many people during that time in chat rooms, some I'm still friends with, and even my long time girlfriend in the finally days of Yahoo chats. I'm for sure going to be looking into this with my Pentium 4 retro gaming system that dual boots 98se, and XP. 👍🏻
Hearing a recording of a modem handshake still brings back those memories of being excited to play Flash games and the like :D (though I did have half of our 4GB drive dedicated to cached flash games… and another 1.5GB dedicated to CD game installs, lol. Every text file was saved to floppy disks instead of the HDD 😅)
There were so many tight communities and interesting people on early IRC chat channels. I remember chatting every day with the guitarist for Jefferson Starship’s touring band on an obscure Apple Mac channel with maybe 100-200 regulars. (sadly, he recently passed away)
@@AdamsBrew78I'm almost 41 now, and I can say It was even tighter pre-internet in the BBS, and Q-Link(Quantium Link) days of the late 80's - very early 90's with even less people being online, and I was very lucky to have experienced that as well having my own phone line extension in my bed room with a 1200 Baud Commodore modem I used with my C64, and later C128(never had a modem for my Apple IIe sadly), and there is still one person from those days I keep up with from time to time via email, as he hates modern social media, and I honestly can't blame him. BTW: I also worked for the old US Lycos chats for a couple years back in the very early 00's as an SOS Chat host/moderator, and I still have the pale blue coffee mug they sent me with the old black lab mascot, as they used vetted Lycos chat users that worked from home to be SOS Host to cut down on cost, and while their chat rooms are Long gone, they are somehow still hanging in there as a search engine, and email provider with my Lycos email still working I made all those years ago lol!
@@CommodoreFan64The first BBS I ever dialed into was run on a C64. I had a crush on the sysop’s daughter ;) … I entirely missed the 80s heyday of BBS, as I didn’t discover them until I was around 12 in 1990. You’re right though, they were very tight communities - Sysops often held real life meetups since most users were local. Even met some RL friends through my own WWIV BBS. Good times!
I hate modern web design with a passion. I hate pop-ups asking for cookies, ads in the middle if articles, and several javascript trackers slowing down the page. Early to mid 2010s web was the peak in my opinion. I however don't mind full page images when done right, like apples site lol.
uBlock can fix all three of those things btw :) I sometimes forget how painfully slow it can be to browse without it - even with a fast fibre connection it takes sooo long just unbundling the referrer tree before it even starts to load anything!
The most anoying thing for me is infinite scrolling. It hardly ever works properly and even when it does it has a whole host of issues that just don't exist with seperate pages.
Ikr!!! I am utterly in LOVE with old web design because it had _character_ and it wasn't just generic and boring. I want to make websites like that-after all, if you're using something every day, why not use something that's not just boring and flat, but that's interesting and thoughtfully made?
12:54 "this program isn't VERY complicated..." you just made an early 2000s childhood simulator, you may as well be a necromancer at this point... a technomancer. this was an incredibly engaging video, it really took me back. back to when I was 7 years old and looking forward to going to the school library to use the computer with the internet in it. however, gaming was forbidden on those computers because they didn't want kids hogging the internet for flash games. 😂
Nooooo way, you're that small channel I used to watch a couple years back??? Damn, you've come a long way!! It's so awesome, u deserve it!! I still remember when u got that better mic
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 well it isn't really explanatory by itself so, a guide is still needed. too bad there isn't really a reliable guide either on the developer's github page or anywhere else
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 got experience with running tiny core linux? If so, you could use that and set up a small, (potentially less than 800mb), image to do it.
You know, if I were to collect retro computers and you figured out how to give out the schematics/some kind of kit for this kind of thing, I would 100% use this to emulate old school internet on those computers, now we just need to figure out how to get Flash and other elements working to make it even more accurate
You could probably figure something out with flashpoint archives being added to the pi’s sd card, and some kind of script to check games against its archive
A lot of websites in the early 2000s that used Flash as the delivery method for content are unfortunately hard to keep accurate, as Flash was known to not be SEO friendly.
could not help but laugh when you said “all the way back to 1996…” as i remember my first experience with the internet back in the mid 1970’s on an IBM 1130. great video, hope you do a tutorial on the build. got yourself a new subscriber
This brings out so many memories! I agree, there was something special and more personal about the web back in the day. I guess people were not really used to it yet.
8:52 it actually does, but it uses the scripts that it adds to the response to replace the original, usually non-functional player with their own, which plays an archived version of the video, if archiving it succeeded maybe fixing it would be possible by having a list of URLs that have dynamically generated content and having them point to URLs that have the same functionality (either because they were moved, or to recreations because they got annihilated over the years)
This is really cool! Such a neat way to streamline the experience of using retro computer hardware as it was originally intended in 2022! It's very smart to hide the wayback machine behind a proxy
Congratulations, you watched the video then made a comment trying to convince people you haven't watched it yet and know exactly what's going to happen
Watching this video brought out all the memories in an instant. From the first time i would hang around with dial up modem internet on websites like cartoon network online flash games, then slowly by slowly moving on to TH-cam and the now the technology we have now. Brought a tear to my eye. Thank you for reminding how the journey of World Wide Web was in the early time and how it has progressed in the modern times.
A fact to consider is that web design has turned towards simplicity not solely out of a desire for aesthetic, but also in an effort to make the web more accessible. Look into the Web Accessibility Initiative. If you're not already familiar with it, you'll get some really great insight into why web design has changed in the ways it has. Great video! edit: I feel like I didn't touch on the content of the video, haha. What you created is actually amazing and would be an awesome interactive display in a museum. Like a real museum, not some obscure internet museum. Seriously great job on this!
I'm 30 so most of my internet usage and memories was done in the early/mid 2000s, this video hit me like a wave of nostalgia so hard. I wish I had a PC old enough that would justify me hacking one of these together. I too miss people injecting the ugliest CSS and HTML into their own blogs for either pretty or hideous design and personal flare. Myspace was ripe with that sort of thing and there's just something endearing about it all.
I love this. It combines retro computing with the Internet Archive accessed through a Raspberry Pi inside a real nice looking and probably 3D printed shell that's easy to use as well. It's perfect.
When I saw the the title, at first I thought that this has been done multiple times. But when I saw you playing with the date dial and refreshing pages, you got me sold on this. It really gives a magical feel to an otherwise mundane Internet Archive proxy.
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I think you nailed it with that last line, about the internet of the 2000s being rougher around the edges but more human. While the internet of today is "better" in the sense of connectivity and content, we also use the internet very differently today than 20 years ago. As much good as has been done gathering "content" together in a few key sites, I also miss the time before the consumer was the product and you had to visit a bunch of bespoke locations to get your daily updates. Though I am glad flash based websites died off.
7:28 Yeah, before 2011 or so, TH-cam channels used to be really customizable. Around 2011/2012, TH-cam would slowly introduce the Cosmic Panda layout, which massively cut down the amount of customization that you could do on a TH-cam channel. Around 2013, TH-cam would introduce the One Channel layout, which severely restricted the amount of customization that you could do on a TH-cam channel.
8:16 This is because most computers had a resolution of at most 800x600. Nowadays, it's rare to find a display that is lower than 1920x1080 or 1366x768.
@@billkeithchannel It doesn't seem right, as I can easily load a TH-cam webpage from 2007 on Windows 2000 (Firefox 45 ESR using an extended kernel), yet I can barely load a TH-cam webpage from today on Windows Vista. (Firefox 52 ESR, the latest version that supports Windows XP & Vista)
@@pabblo1 the JS is more bloated than images nowadays, but on slowish ADSL the pictures could make a difference on the old layout. I remember I opted into the Cosmic Panda beta (though I’d forgotten that was the name) to half my channel’s load-time back then. Though removing the custom images would bring the default old layout on par, but I thought it looked too ugly without the custom images.
I just realized, my website I made, does not use today's style, instead, I themed it on what the website was for. It still does look flat, but it's a lot more different from most other websites.
i feel like you cater specifically to me with each new video i learnt how to do web design last week and immediately got that kind of opinions btw :-) i first logged on in 2010, but i do remember lots of the "old web" because most of the websites i browsed back then were still pretty oldschool (some were full of view counters and under construction gifs, and most were customized to infinity. forum culture thrived longer where i live, too)
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While I was born in 1996, I still remember dial-in internet and pre-wifi era quite well. Before Facebook - which I have now finally quitted after many years of wasted time and, unfortunately, friendships - people who did go on forums were actually passionate and interested by the very fact of going on forums. I didn't used MSN back then because I thought it was weird and that people wouldn't communicate well through a screen in real-tune - turns out I had a lot of wisdom for a 12 years old kid that was lost over the years and then gained back...! I still remember ordering a DIY Warhammer from someone oversea who made like 4 or 5 and hosted a contest. I never finished painting it, because it's so special I wanted to have the right skills. I wonder if I could get back to this guy one day to show him the finished product :D
This has some really interesting potential for digital archives of internet history. Archives of this kind are good at displaying the look of old webpages but often struggle to re-create the experience of browsing the internet in the past - as you say, the Wayback Machine is good but the fiddly interface and frequent broken images are barriers to full immersion. Something like this would allow archives to emulate the experience as well as the content of the historical Web, allowing people to access old webpages on retro computers using the software of the time. Really bringing internet history to life.
You should release a BOM for this along with any extra scripts or programs you've written to tie the hardware and the WaybackProxy together. Would love to build my own sometime
Mid 2000s web design is my favorite, every websites was designed like a newspaper or collage and made full use of the screen real estate of the the time. It was so dense in info, easy to understand and navigate when done right.
oh heck, i actually did something kinda similar to this a few years ago! what i did was i downloaded a bunch of pages from the wayback machine (gotta love wget and some paitience!), and then hooked it up to a Fiddler session that would use the AutoRedirector feature to point web URLs to the downloaded copies stored locally on the target machine (a windows XP VM in my case), i never really released any of it but it was a really fun project to work on in my spare time
The video was very warm and welcoming. Great project. I don't know how to put it in words but this feeling of nerdiness and warmth around technology is simply ..... Beautiful. P.S:Please recommend more such videos TH-cam algorithm.
Woah, you should consider sharing this with museums!! This is super sweet. Seriously if you’re interested in doing that and want some help I’d be happy to participate in some way to facilitate the dissemination of this. This video blew my mind
Very cool! I already support some similar projects, but this is a black magic box ;-) so cool to see other people like browsing the past on good old machines
7:50 smoother? i'd say more bloated, filled with mobile-first designs even though i'm on a desktop with a 1080p screen, bland souless flat design, can't forget the tons of javascript and the necessity to spy on you everywhere you go. that's what web design has turned into, there's no personality anymore.
In hindsight, this seems like such an obvious application of the Wayback Machine. Bravo! (Also, seeing BonziBuddy for the first time in two decades makes me realize how nostalgia is a hell of a drug).
A time ago i made a serial modem with a MIPS (RTL8186) wifi router card with 32mb of ram. I used the opensource software TcpSer and the linux PPPd to emulate the Hayes AT commands and make a point-to-point connection. Makes connections at 115k or higher if the computer supports it through the serial port and dial-up PPP connection. Very useful for PCs without a network connection. It also allows connection to Telnet BBSs transparently too.
7:42 Oh My God! You have Physicus installed on this PC?! I didn't think I would see this awesome game ever again in the wild. Especially not the English version.
During the two pre-roll ads, I thought about how I would implement your device. I got the wayback machine for content right, but not your web proxy. That is genius.
Hoover Fusion Frenzy!! I literally found that after I’d seen a Hoover cyclone vacuum in the store and thought “couldn’t only Dyson make those?”, so I went to the website on the box and found the game there. God I played that so much. Another product placement game I have fond memories of is that Logitech bouncing flubber guy game. You have to bounce from key to key on a keyboard and the rest of the floor (I mean, keyboard) is lava. Plus there’s the Lego games like Junkbot (2 was my favourite) and, uhh, that hacking game with Lego Technic RC car. It rolled-up to the corporation’s air-gapped server and hacked-into it with a laser beam!! Wowsocool! That was the game that taught me haus is pronounced house not horse, because of the pharmaceutical company Pharmhaus in the story. Haha, that “slow loading” B-roll you showed was like when I’d first got to use ADSL. Dial-up was a lot slower than that! (But frequently-visited sites were about that speed in practice, albeit looking differently, since they’d be cached and only have to load-in a handful of new pieces.) And yeah, they certainly looked better at those resolutions. Much better than seeing all of it at once in a skinny column on the left. There’s a reason so many said “best viewed at 800x600/1024x768 in IE/Netscape”, after all! My favourite era has to be 2006-2010 though, when dynamic-scaling websites were a common thing, yet the design-language was still very 2000-2005.
I used TH-cam Mobile back in 2007. It was actually really neat being able to use it on your phone for the first time. I used it quite a bit actually :D It was very low quality, as was streaming and what not back then, but we didn't really have the high quality stuff we do today so it was fairly normal to us. It actually functioned quite well.
I would like a followup video showing how the rotary encoder, and screen were connected. And how the encoder was made to work with the WaybackProxy. I really enjoyed the video, but there is a lot of work needed from anyone trying to duplicate this in rediscovering your setup and cabling. That makes the video exclusionary for the less technical viewers. It's clear that you have put a lot of love into this project and it works well. I hope that you can find the time to share more instruction and code so that others can enjoy it.
I really liked this video, it reminded me of how lucky I was to grow up in a time before the internet, and then the awe of the discovery of online spaces, and finally the transition of how I view it today. As the means of my work, play, and everyday life. . Thanks, and great video, I might even look at making my own, except, I have NO desire to use it on anything other than a virtual machine, I don't miss that hardware.
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Here's a question, and probably a side project for you related to this: does the Internet Archive can be used as search engine? Because I think that's what's missing, you could visit the old websites you know because you remember them, or they are still alive today, but I bet there's a lot of hidden websites that are there waiting to be found, so one option is to create your own little search engine to parse all the pages you visit and index them, or retrieve result data from the webarchive to create a little listing and sites to visit.
Another idea I had, is this emulator, but with a usb to 56k modem emulator plugged into the pi, so that I can just plug the good’ol RJ11 cable and start browsing
It was cool because you felt like you were connected to something else that nobody else had. It was cool because it wasn't mainstream. But everyone else had fomo and then here we are where everything is boring in 2022 because of it. Being born in 90 the internet of the 90s and early 2000s to me is probably something I'm going to complain about when I'm older just like boomers complain about seat belts etc. At least I got to see it before they made it lame. I guess every great thing has to die and that's life
@@CalebRazzleberry I know that design trends and trends in general come and go then make an eventual return, but that would certainly be a dream. I long for the days of the internet being powered by the people and the common web page elements reflecting that. I hope TH-cam brings back customizable channel pages with the comment box that helped channels feel more like a community than just a place to go to recieve entertainment.
Hey, WaybackProxy author here. Thanks for featuring my work. I had originally started working on it for the same reason you've gone through - there's such a magic element to the 2000s Web that I grew up with.
It really is a bummer that the Wayback Machine doesn't archive more complex Flash and Java stuff, but I did my best to try and fill in gaps in images and such.
With all this attention, I'm planning on making improvements to the proxy in the near future, like a Dockerfile for easy installation, and maybe a better API for the Time Machine to communicate with.
Honestly doing God's work with this proxy, the fact you made it much easier to look at older websites is so cool! I do have a suggestion for a feature that I'm not sure if it's possible or not- adding a randomizer to the proxy so that you could press a button and go to any site that was captured on a specific day
ruffle is becoming a more popular browser embedded flash emulator but it currenttly only supports games programmed in Actionscript 1 and 2 so your mileage may vary
Very cool project!
Just a thought, which might be way to complicated: Do you think it's doable to add more flash games to the old webpages by using the archives of BlueMaxima's Flashpoint to fill some more gaps?
I can see it being a problem if websites all used different, custom names for the same flashprograms, but maybe it's not that bad . If it is causing problems, users could select a game from potential matches. And if you want to go all in: these manual selections could be saved which could be shared with a public database, smoothing out the experience over time.
Could it be hosted online so users can access it just by setting a proxy in their browser?
Just think about the academic research that can take place!!!! Just think how confusing the ending citation would be for a webpage that no longer exists!! It is so wonderful!!!
If you provide a tutorial, I'd be really interested to try and build this little time machine! I work at a public library, and I think patrons would have a lot of fun if we had an "internet time machine" to try out.
OMG YES that would be the COOLEST thing! I've never seen something like that in a library, heck I never thought of that as a possibility. Just the fact that you brought this up makes me 🤯🤯🤯🤯
When you get that installed, I will WANT to come to your library 🤩
YES that would be perfect for a library libraries are already known for info so having a internet time machine in libraries would probably be a good way to modernize them
Sure It would be awesome to have a step-by-step tutorial!
I agree! A tutorial with a basic gloss-over on how to do it all would be awesome. Otherwise you will be bombarded with people wanting YOU to build one for them! I would be one of them. :D
OH GAWD PLEASE YES I’VE BEEN WANTING TO GET MY WINDOWS 2000 ONLINE FOR YEARS
Being on the internet from '99 to '07 was such a magical time.
I agree
I feel so aimless on the internet today I actually started going back to almost dead forums.
I was born in 2007 and I’m so sad I didn’t get to experience that era
Oh DEFINITELY ❤
Well the shift from desktop browser design to mobile compatible design is what really destroyed 2000s era web design. That's why youtube got rid of custom backgrounds on channels. There are of course more factors than just that but I think it's a big part.
ironically the modern internet is completely unbrowsable on a phone, while old/old-style websites are pretty easy to browse
Plenty of websites had mobile version even back then but they were usually a separate URL. These days, or as of 2010, most websites want the main site to be mobile formatted out of convenience.
@@Sb129 And yet the mobile version is still missing half the features of the desktop version for most sites.
You can also thank Susan for a lot of the "improvements" she shoved down our throats. Remember the new lay-out designs after 2012? The forced Google+ integration? TH-cam Heroes?
@@Sb129 even youtube had m.youtube.com
20 years from now: “I built a time machine that reminded me of what it was like to be in VR for the first time. It’s not as interesting anymore now that we’re in it 24/7.”
Even if VR became 24/7 I wouldn't use it at all.
@@space9465 and then it becomes mandatory for job hunting or bill paying like phones did in the 50s or the internet has today… :(
@@kaitlyn__L you're right and I can feel myself becoming a boomer as I read this and I hate it
That's what people were saying *even in the 90s* though
vr is the flying car of the computer world
@@lopiklop until it becomes effortless to use, solves the space problem somehow and has a use that's specific and exclusive to VR (and I don't mean a game), VR will never be the future. Its going to constantly be the "next big thing" that isn't happening yet. VR is amazing to use but the amount of hurdles it has to overcome to reach that level of ubiquity is far greater than the Internet ever had.
this is really cool. going through random wayback machine pages is already one of my hobbies. i miss 2000s web design
Yeah.
Especially older Apple websites
Damn, i miss that glassy look
Why is Apple ALWAYS the site everyone wants to visit, in this GARGANTUAN internet?
Basically phone users ruined everything.
@@ffwast as a phone user, sorry😔
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I love how old logos and websites look and really want that retro skeuomorphic look of web design to return because my god it looked so much cooler. This time machine is incredible!! Really wish that most websites worked or that the style would transfer over to current day technology, but hey, I'm not a smart guy and don't know how things work haha. Awesome video!
Winrar is one of the few big ones that's still standing. In fact, it's even more skeuomorphic than it used to be.
@@cannedbeverage7687 we love to see it, i remember seeing a logo change and was like _"oh no"_ but it turned out better
yea same i LOVE skeumorhpicism!!
I miss skeuomorphic design so so very much.
Yeaaaah, saddly when steve jobs died, the mfckers of apple, destroyed all the steve design legacy..., cause he started the skeomorphism in computers
tap into the power, in all seriousness this blew my mind. This seems like black magic to me. I kind of want to build my own now.
AHAHAHAHA mommy times man
Same
same here
Old school Karen.
Oh Hey Chadtronic
In b4 10,000,000 views. This project is pretty incredible! It doesn’t have to be complex to be a well executed good idea.
I’m old, lol, but I lived through all of the eras of the internet you showed off. I feel like you hit the nail on the head with just about everything you had to say…
…including your dislike for… some executions of “material design”. I hated when that era began.
I agree with you. Also, the modern internet now has so much unnecessary javascript running. I miss simple webpages with complicated visual design, rather than the complicated frameworks running on something like a recipe website.
@@can2835 Yes!!! Web pages are still too slow for computing power today. Latency is unsolvable yes, but there are far too many websites simply which are simply an excuse for bad programming
Didn't know AntVenom watched this type of videos!
@@exoticlol haha yes
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This really does bring back so many memories of going online in the 90's, and early 00's when it really was an event using dial-up. I met so many people during that time in chat rooms, some I'm still friends with, and even my long time girlfriend in the finally days of Yahoo chats. I'm for sure going to be looking into this with my Pentium 4 retro gaming system that dual boots 98se, and XP. 👍🏻
I remember when you couldn't use the phone without interrupting the dial-up connection in the house. Good times.
Hearing a recording of a modem handshake still brings back those memories of being excited to play Flash games and the like :D (though I did have half of our 4GB drive dedicated to cached flash games… and another 1.5GB dedicated to CD game installs, lol. Every text file was saved to floppy disks instead of the HDD 😅)
There were so many tight communities and interesting people on early IRC chat channels. I remember chatting every day with the guitarist for Jefferson Starship’s touring band on an obscure Apple Mac channel with maybe 100-200 regulars. (sadly, he recently passed away)
@@AdamsBrew78I'm almost 41 now, and I can say It was even tighter pre-internet in the BBS, and Q-Link(Quantium Link) days of the late 80's - very early 90's with even less people being online, and I was very lucky to have experienced that as well having my own phone line extension in my bed room with a 1200 Baud Commodore modem I used with my C64, and later C128(never had a modem for my Apple IIe sadly), and there is still one person from those days I keep up with from time to time via email, as he hates modern social media, and I honestly can't blame him.
BTW: I also worked for the old US Lycos chats for a couple years back in the very early 00's as an SOS Chat host/moderator, and I still have the pale blue coffee mug they sent me with the old black lab mascot, as they used vetted Lycos chat users that worked from home to be SOS Host to cut down on cost, and while their chat rooms are Long gone, they are somehow still hanging in there as a search engine, and email provider with my Lycos email still working I made all those years ago lol!
@@CommodoreFan64The first BBS I ever dialed into was run on a C64. I had a crush on the sysop’s daughter ;) …
I entirely missed the 80s heyday of BBS, as I didn’t discover them until I was around 12 in 1990. You’re right though, they were very tight communities - Sysops often held real life meetups since most users were local. Even met some RL friends through my own WWIV BBS. Good times!
I hate modern web design with a passion. I hate pop-ups asking for cookies, ads in the middle if articles, and several javascript trackers slowing down the page. Early to mid 2010s web was the peak in my opinion. I however don't mind full page images when done right, like apples site lol.
uBlock can fix all three of those things btw :) I sometimes forget how painfully slow it can be to browse without it - even with a fast fibre connection it takes sooo long just unbundling the referrer tree before it even starts to load anything!
The most anoying thing for me is infinite scrolling. It hardly ever works properly and even when it does it has a whole host of issues that just don't exist with seperate pages.
Ikr!!! I am utterly in LOVE with old web design because it had _character_ and it wasn't just generic and boring. I want to make websites like that-after all, if you're using something every day, why not use something that's not just boring and flat, but that's interesting and thoughtfully made?
yea i think best was like 2003-2012 started gettign censored used to search torrent and find something now only russian sites got seeded torrents.
12:54 "this program isn't VERY complicated..."
you just made an early 2000s childhood simulator, you may as well be a necromancer at this point... a technomancer. this was an incredibly engaging video, it really took me back. back to when I was 7 years old and looking forward to going to the school library to use the computer with the internet in it. however, gaming was forbidden on those computers because they didn't want kids hogging the internet for flash games. 😂
Nooooo way, you're that small channel I used to watch a couple years back??? Damn, you've come a long way!! It's so awesome, u deserve it!! I still remember when u got that better mic
I love this! You should put out a guide explaining how you made it so other people could make it as well :)
He kinda already did. You could replicate it with some programming knowledge
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 well it isn't really explanatory by itself so, a guide is still needed. too bad there isn't really a reliable guide either on the developer's github page or anywhere else
@@itizjuan I could replicate it with a little struggle
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 got experience with running tiny core linux? If so, you could use that and set up a small, (potentially less than 800mb), image to do it.
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 i wonder if you could explain to us the process
Wow great! Please, keep it updated.
You know, if I were to collect retro computers and you figured out how to give out the schematics/some kind of kit for this kind of thing, I would 100% use this to emulate old school internet on those computers, now we just need to figure out how to get Flash and other elements working to make it even more accurate
That'd be pretty cool
You could probably figure something out with flashpoint archives being added to the pi’s sd card, and some kind of script to check games against its archive
A lot of websites in the early 2000s that used Flash as the delivery method for content are unfortunately hard to keep accurate, as Flash was known to not be SEO friendly.
@@ccricers and it was pretty scraper resistant, too.
This is so cool!
If this were an actual product, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
could not help but laugh when you said “all the way back to 1996…” as i remember my first experience with the internet back in the mid 1970’s on an IBM 1130. great video, hope you do a tutorial on the build. got yourself a new subscriber
That really took me down memory lane 😁
How Did It Worked
This brings out so many memories! I agree, there was something special and more personal about the web back in the day. I guess people were not really used to it yet.
8:52 it actually does, but it uses the scripts that it adds to the response to replace the original, usually non-functional player with their own, which plays an archived version of the video, if archiving it succeeded
maybe fixing it would be possible by having a list of URLs that have dynamically generated content and having them point to URLs that have the same functionality (either because they were moved, or to recreations because they got annihilated over the years)
This did such a good job at emulating the entire feel, which is probably why it was your favourite
More of a testament to the WayBackMachine than anything else.
This is really cool! Such a neat way to streamline the experience of using retro computer hardware as it was originally intended in 2022! It's very smart to hide the wayback machine behind a proxy
Ooh, this is kind of an extension of that service that turns Wayback machine into a proxy server, isn't it? That seems really neat
Yeah, pretty much
Seems like it
The Old Net is what you're referring to.
@@WedgeStratos yes! For some reason the name was completely eluding me.
Congratulations, you watched the video then made a comment trying to convince people you haven't watched it yet and know exactly what's going to happen
Watching this video brought out all the memories in an instant. From the first time i would hang around with dial up modem internet on websites like cartoon network online flash games, then slowly by slowly moving on to TH-cam and the now the technology we have now. Brought a tear to my eye. Thank you for reminding how the journey of World Wide Web was in the early time and how it has progressed in the modern times.
Wow, that knob to switch years is an awesome feature!!
Happy to see a new post from you!
Awesome! This looks amazing! Great vid by the way.
A fact to consider is that web design has turned towards simplicity not solely out of a desire for aesthetic, but also in an effort to make the web more accessible. Look into the Web Accessibility Initiative. If you're not already familiar with it, you'll get some really great insight into why web design has changed in the ways it has. Great video!
edit: I feel like I didn't touch on the content of the video, haha. What you created is actually amazing and would be an awesome interactive display in a museum. Like a real museum, not some obscure internet museum. Seriously great job on this!
I'm 30 so most of my internet usage and memories was done in the early/mid 2000s, this video hit me like a wave of nostalgia so hard. I wish I had a PC old enough that would justify me hacking one of these together. I too miss people injecting the ugliest CSS and HTML into their own blogs for either pretty or hideous design and personal flare. Myspace was ripe with that sort of thing and there's just something endearing about it all.
Hahaha saaame😅 im also 30
Unrelated to the actual video, I couldn't help but notice that Cardigans CD and it made me excited to see someone I admire on TH-cam listen to them :)
It'd be really cool to see a polished version of this on display in a place like the Computer History Museum.
A physical rotary dial to travel in time what gets sent over your Ethernet cable? Freaking genius. I so love that invention!!!
I love this.
It combines retro computing with the Internet Archive accessed through a Raspberry Pi inside a real nice looking and probably 3D printed shell that's easy to use as well.
It's perfect.
ok but are we just gonna ignore how he made a 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭 wayback 'machine'
Italics. Nice.
Ignore? He made an entire video about it.
we gotta make this comment more popular than antvenom's comment.
Huh?
yeah
I would love a detailed toutorial, this is a dream project!
When I saw the the title, at first I thought that this has been done multiple times. But when I saw you playing with the date dial and refreshing pages, you got me sold on this. It really gives a magical feel to an otherwise mundane Internet Archive proxy.
Make sure you are spending as much time as you can helping other people and strengthening the kingdom of God while you are here on earth. This world is rapidly passing away. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. If you have any questions about scripture feel free to ask me
I think you nailed it with that last line, about the internet of the 2000s being rougher around the edges but more human. While the internet of today is "better" in the sense of connectivity and content, we also use the internet very differently today than 20 years ago. As much good as has been done gathering "content" together in a few key sites, I also miss the time before the consumer was the product and you had to visit a bunch of bespoke locations to get your daily updates. Though I am glad flash based websites died off.
7:28 Yeah, before 2011 or so, TH-cam channels used to be really customizable. Around 2011/2012, TH-cam would slowly introduce the Cosmic Panda layout, which massively cut down the amount of customization that you could do on a TH-cam channel. Around 2013, TH-cam would introduce the One Channel layout, which severely restricted the amount of customization that you could do on a TH-cam channel.
7:32 Also, I used to watch TH-cam videos on really old Android phones, e.g HTC Desire HD, Samsung Galaxy S1-S3 & so on.
8:16 This is because most computers had a resolution of at most 800x600. Nowadays, it's rare to find a display that is lower than 1920x1080 or 1366x768.
The customization is what really cut down the speed of MySpace so YT followed suit to remove that feature.
@@billkeithchannel It doesn't seem right, as I can easily load a TH-cam webpage from 2007 on Windows 2000 (Firefox 45 ESR using an extended kernel), yet I can barely load a TH-cam webpage from today on Windows Vista. (Firefox 52 ESR, the latest version that supports Windows XP & Vista)
@@pabblo1 the JS is more bloated than images nowadays, but on slowish ADSL the pictures could make a difference on the old layout. I remember I opted into the Cosmic Panda beta (though I’d forgotten that was the name) to half my channel’s load-time back then. Though removing the custom images would bring the default old layout on par, but I thought it looked too ugly without the custom images.
I just realized, my website I made, does not use today's style, instead, I themed it on what the website was for. It still does look flat, but it's a lot more different from most other websites.
I miss you
This was pretty cool watch. The nostalgic feels hit pretty but fun to watch.
i feel like you cater specifically to me with each new video
i learnt how to do web design last week and immediately got that kind of opinions btw :-)
i first logged on in 2010, but i do remember lots of the "old web" because most of the websites i browsed back then were still pretty oldschool (some were full of view counters and under construction gifs, and most were customized to infinity. forum culture thrived longer where i live, too)
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@@rkkzjj32 i'm already doing that (or at least trying) don't worry
its so cool how you can change the webpage while youre browsing on it, literal time travel
Where'd you go :(
THIS IS THE COOLEST THING EVER!!!! also Neil Cicierega mentioned 🎉🎉🎉🎉
TheWaybackMachine DOES actually store videos off youtube but it's only some of em and it's only stuff from post 2010
they're there tho...
The donkey party bought it. it's no longer valid
I remember pre mobile internet. The hardest thing was clicking the right play/ download button.
Holy crap, I had an idea for something like this once! I'm glad someone made it a reality!
You should sell this man
I always thought you'd have to be a real time traveller to see something like this, but this makes a dream become a reality.
Good Work!
My very old unused laptop still has Ask Jeeves on it.
You need another dial to set download speed to complete the experience!
While I was born in 1996, I still remember dial-in internet and pre-wifi era quite well. Before Facebook - which I have now finally quitted after many years of wasted time and, unfortunately, friendships - people who did go on forums were actually passionate and interested by the very fact of going on forums. I didn't used MSN back then because I thought it was weird and that people wouldn't communicate well through a screen in real-tune - turns out I had a lot of wisdom for a 12 years old kid that was lost over the years and then gained back...! I still remember ordering a DIY Warhammer from someone oversea who made like 4 or 5 and hosted a contest. I never finished painting it, because it's so special I wanted to have the right skills. I wonder if I could get back to this guy one day to show him the finished product :D
As someone who's been on the internet since the mid 90's, creating websites with basic HTML on NetScape Navigator... this is the coolest shit ever!
How can you not remember how frustrating computers were back then
Been a while. Hope you well.
This has some really interesting potential for digital archives of internet history. Archives of this kind are good at displaying the look of old webpages but often struggle to re-create the experience of browsing the internet in the past - as you say, the Wayback Machine is good but the fiddly interface and frequent broken images are barriers to full immersion. Something like this would allow archives to emulate the experience as well as the content of the historical Web, allowing people to access old webpages on retro computers using the software of the time. Really bringing internet history to life.
miss u :(
That switch thingy to change the year just makes this BADASS!
You should release a BOM for this along with any extra scripts or programs you've written to tie the hardware and the WaybackProxy together. Would love to build my own sometime
Most enjoyable. I’ve gotten a twinge of nostalgia because that’s when I made my first website.
This would be neat to try out with a Dreamcast or PS2!
Mid 2000s web design is my favorite, every websites was designed like a newspaper or collage and made full use of the screen real estate of the the time. It was so dense in info, easy to understand and navigate when done right.
yay hes posting again
This is truly amazing, I wish I could buy something like this!
The 90s internet felt like you were driving your Computer out of the garage LOL, it really did feel like an adventure. Today, it just exists.
oh heck, i actually did something kinda similar to this a few years ago! what i did was i downloaded a bunch of pages from the wayback machine (gotta love wget and some paitience!), and then hooked it up to a Fiddler session that would use the AutoRedirector feature to point web URLs to the downloaded copies stored locally on the target machine (a windows XP VM in my case), i never really released any of it but it was a really fun project to work on in my spare time
"gotta love wget and some paitience!" Yep! :D
The video was very warm and welcoming. Great project. I don't know how to put it in words but this feeling of nerdiness and warmth around technology is simply ..... Beautiful.
P.S:Please recommend more such videos TH-cam algorithm.
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Woah, you should consider sharing this with museums!! This is super sweet. Seriously if you’re interested in doing that and want some help I’d be happy to participate in some way to facilitate the dissemination of this. This video blew my mind
Very cool! I already support some similar projects, but this is a black magic box ;-) so cool to see other people like browsing the past on good old machines
Awesome!
7:50 smoother? i'd say more bloated, filled with mobile-first designs even though i'm on a desktop with a 1080p screen, bland souless flat design, can't forget the tons of javascript and the necessity to spy on you everywhere you go. that's what web design has turned into, there's no personality anymore.
In hindsight, this seems like such an obvious application of the Wayback Machine. Bravo!
(Also, seeing BonziBuddy for the first time in two decades makes me realize how nostalgia is a hell of a drug).
bro left then came back then left again
Probably a college student lol?
A time ago i made a serial modem with a MIPS (RTL8186) wifi router card with 32mb of ram. I used the opensource software TcpSer and the linux PPPd to emulate the Hayes AT commands and make a point-to-point connection. Makes connections at 115k or higher if the computer supports it through the serial port and dial-up PPP connection. Very useful for PCs without a network connection. It also allows connection to Telnet BBSs transparently too.
7:42 Oh My God! You have Physicus installed on this PC?! I didn't think I would see this awesome game ever again in the wild. Especially not the English version.
During the two pre-roll ads, I thought about how I would implement your device. I got the wayback machine for content right, but not your web proxy. That is genius.
Hoover Fusion Frenzy!! I literally found that after I’d seen a Hoover cyclone vacuum in the store and thought “couldn’t only Dyson make those?”, so I went to the website on the box and found the game there. God I played that so much.
Another product placement game I have fond memories of is that Logitech bouncing flubber guy game. You have to bounce from key to key on a keyboard and the rest of the floor (I mean, keyboard) is lava.
Plus there’s the Lego games like Junkbot (2 was my favourite) and, uhh, that hacking game with Lego Technic RC car. It rolled-up to the corporation’s air-gapped server and hacked-into it with a laser beam!! Wowsocool! That was the game that taught me haus is pronounced house not horse, because of the pharmaceutical company Pharmhaus in the story.
Haha, that “slow loading” B-roll you showed was like when I’d first got to use ADSL. Dial-up was a lot slower than that! (But frequently-visited sites were about that speed in practice, albeit looking differently, since they’d be cached and only have to load-in a handful of new pieces.)
And yeah, they certainly looked better at those resolutions. Much better than seeing all of it at once in a skinny column on the left. There’s a reason so many said “best viewed at 800x600/1024x768 in IE/Netscape”, after all! My favourite era has to be 2006-2010 though, when dynamic-scaling websites were a common thing, yet the design-language was still very 2000-2005.
Yayyy. I always wanted to remember how the old design of web pages such as Google, TH-cam and Facebook looked like back then. Thx. 😍😍😍
Next video: I built a real time machine!
I used TH-cam Mobile back in 2007. It was actually really neat being able to use it on your phone for the first time. I used it quite a bit actually :D It was very low quality, as was streaming and what not back then, but we didn't really have the high quality stuff we do today so it was fairly normal to us. It actually functioned quite well.
I would like a followup video showing how the rotary encoder, and screen were connected. And how the encoder was made to work with the WaybackProxy.
I really enjoyed the video, but there is a lot of work needed from anyone trying to duplicate this in rediscovering your setup and cabling.
That makes the video exclusionary for the less technical viewers.
It's clear that you have put a lot of love into this project and it works well. I hope that you can find the time to share more instruction and code so that others can enjoy it.
The PC is digital but the Time Machine is analog?!
Blew my mind
Imagine combining this with a dreampi in order to use it on systems that only have modems.
I really liked this video, it reminded me of how lucky I was to grow up in a time before the internet, and then the awe of the discovery of online spaces, and finally the transition of how I view it today. As the means of my work, play, and everyday life. . Thanks, and great video, I might even look at making my own, except, I have NO desire to use it on anything other than a virtual machine, I don't miss that hardware.
Here's a question, and probably a side project for you related to this: does the Internet Archive can be used as search engine? Because I think that's what's missing, you could visit the old websites you know because you remember them, or they are still alive today, but I bet there's a lot of hidden websites that are there waiting to be found, so one option is to create your own little search engine to parse all the pages you visit and index them, or retrieve result data from the webarchive to create a little listing and sites to visit.
That was KILLER. Thank you! :D
Making this Proxy Time Machine for the Internet might’ve head back to the past. Really Cool!
We kind of need this right now.
I miss your content :(
Another idea I had, is this emulator, but with a usb to 56k modem emulator plugged into the pi, so that I can just plug the good’ol RJ11 cable and start browsing
is there a flux capacitor included?
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The coolest project I've seen in 2022 till now!
Thaaank you for saying web instead of internet
This is definitely really cool. A lot of people in the comment section seem interested in it as well and I definitely would like to build one myself.
It was cool because you felt like you were connected to something else that nobody else had. It was cool because it wasn't mainstream. But everyone else had fomo and then here we are where everything is boring in 2022 because of it. Being born in 90 the internet of the 90s and early 2000s to me is probably something I'm going to complain about when I'm older just like boomers complain about seat belts etc. At least I got to see it before they made it lame. I guess every great thing has to die and that's life
@@CalebRazzleberry I know that design trends and trends in general come and go then make an eventual return, but that would certainly be a dream. I long for the days of the internet being powered by the people and the common web page elements reflecting that. I hope TH-cam brings back customizable channel pages with the comment box that helped channels feel more like a community than just a place to go to recieve entertainment.