Well you see, I was alive back then and the Japanese government prohibited it, for fear that the Western nations would use our funky tunes (enhanced with all manner of cultural appropriation) to take over the world. For a while they were listed as export-banned munitions. I remember that the first time I heard this, I was wearing a Master System cartridge on my belt, as was the fashion at the time. They didn't have black cartridges at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big, yellow ones.
@@retro_boy_advance what the poop, this is dark witchcraft!! Actually speaking of Famicom/NES sound hardware, this is less impressive but I was deeply impressed that when Mario Maker made new snow music for the SMB3 style, and wanted to add sleigh bells, they confined the sleigh bell sample to what a NES sound chip could have replicated. Unlike my first comment on this thread this is actually factually true 😁
@@tskraj3190 I would love to hear more about this, even in the form of "here's a link/search terms". Does this mean that there Mega Drive is backwards compatible with Master System FM sound? I was really hoping Red Hot Sonamy would say whether or not putting this on an MD Everdrive would work, but judging from the video they instead engaged in a tickling and/or smooching match. Which hey, not gonna blame them for, it must be great to have a beloved with you right now.
I've always felt that Master System FM music elevates 8 bit games much more than you'd expect. Some games actually feel like their Mega Drive counterparts.
@@mscottjohnson3424 I'm with my wife (we're bisexual, in a lesbian relationship) and she likes seeing me happy with new stuff, as long as I am being responsible with finances too. We're getting an N64 next month. I also collect Transformers too, and she thinks it's neat.
The master system is underrated. The 8bit sonic 1 is very different despite being called sonic 1. 8bit sonic 2 has tails on the box but tails isn't playable he actually gets kidnapped by eggman. The Sega master system 3 looks slick as hell it just looks so nice and cool.
I personally prefer the Game Gear version of Sonic 1, as it fixes a few bugs (like how you don't die by torching the bottom edge of the TV screen in Jungle Zone Act 2 >_
Not in Brazil and Europe In these places the Master System continues to survive until 1997 receiving numerous Game Gear ports. In Brazil the Master System even won an exclusive version of Street Fighter 2 and Battlemaniacs, even with the PS1, Saturn and Nintendo 64 in places like Brazil the Master System (and Mega Drive) became cheap options for those who didn't have much money to invest in a console.
For Phantasy Star I think most fans actually prefer the PSG soundtrack to the FM one. Although hearing a couple of the Phantasy Star 1 songs remade in Phantasy Star 4 is definitely a treat.
*Famicom not NES. Because Langrage Point is the only VRC7 FM game for the Famicom, there are actually more homebrew VRC7 chiptunes than that! (I know of two: Tappy - Aquarius and Fearofdark - The Coffee Zone)
The power of hardware modding at its finest to suit your tastes. Focusing on Sonic 1 FM, it's great to see these bonus changes or additions that spices the game a notch. Those interruptions and arguments from Millie were on point, especially at 7:59 😂 Luckily, digging deeper into this investigation was totally worth it.
I wish I could get a wife as supportive as yours; to tell you to go and bust like 500 GBP on two systems is something quite _out of this world._ Take good care of her and ensure she's happy - she's an extremely rare specimen.
One thing the FM version misses out on - at the end of the game, when the points are being totted up, there's a static effect that fades in and out on the original.
Alternative solution: Terraonion's Mega SD. My guess is few people will go importing a Japanese Master System just to play MS Sonic 1 with FM sound. Another, much more practical, way you can do this on, technically, real hardware is to get a Mega SD from Terraonion for €232 (I'll link it at the end). If you know anything about the Mega SD, you know it's basically an Everdrive for the Mega Drive/Genesis that has onboard Mega CD/Sega CD emulation chips that allow you to play Mega CD games from an iso file off an SD card without needing the actual Mega CD peripheral (or the 2nd power brick). Of course it also lets you play regular Mega Drive/Genesis games (yes, all regions, though there can be speed issues when playing 60Hz NTSC games on a 50Hz PAL console, and vice versa). But on to the main point. As you probably know, the Mega Drive is backwards compatible with Master System games and includes the same chips that are in the Master System, so playing Master System games on a Mega Drive is essentially playing on real hardware. The Mega Drive isn't using emulation to play Master System games. So if you load any Master System ROMs onto your Everdrive/Mega SD, the Mega Drive will play them just fine. However, even though the Mega Drive uses FM sound for Mega Drive games, the Master System FM sound chip is different and so no Mega Drive/Genesis can play the FM sound in Master System games. BUT, a feature of the Mega SD that gets completely overshadowed by the Mega CD emulation is that the Mega SD can also emulate the Master System's FM sound chip. And, of course, all Mega Drive/Genesis units support RGB out. SO, since you'd have to use an Everdrive anyway to play Sonic 1 with FM sound, if you have a Mega Drive/Genesis you can get a Mega SD and play Sonic 1 with FM sound on your Mega Drive, which again is essentially original hardware. This seems to me to be the most practical way to play SMS Sonic 1 with FM sound without emulation. And wile €232 is steep, so is buying a Japanese Master System/Mark III + FM unit OR Master System FM mod + Everdrive. And you can also play all Mega CD/Sega CD, Master System/Genesis, and Master System games from any region. Link to Terraonion's website: shop.terraonion.com/en/products/16-megasd_megacd_segacd_fpga_cartridge.html UPDATE: I just checked and the Mega Everdrive X7 also has a Master System FM chip. Again, this is to play Master System games on your Mega Drive/Genesis, not your Master System. Earlier versions of the Mega Everdrive (X5, X3) do not have this feature and no version of the Master Everdrive have FM sound chips. So with either the Mega SD or Everdrive X7 you can play Master System games with FM sound on a Mega Drive/Genesis.
ValleyBell is the king of music hacking. His work really impresses me! Music hacking is the one thing that I cannot wrap my head around. :V Also haha hearing your wife in the background was great! xD
I loved the sound of the master system. Probably the great songwriting helped a lot but I always liked the sounds as well. Phantasy Star, Sonic, Double Dragon, Master of Darkness, lots and lots of great soundtracks
Oh actually this is worth a second comment - I've just noticed you do _proper subtitles_ and especially since that's much rarer on TH-cam than television, as a partially deaf viewer thank you loads. I don't think I noticed that until now (though I kinda have the memory of a pensioner so I'm not sure), as I've usually been turning them off for the mobile app, since I didn't realise it had subtitle settings buried in it that (like the web player) let you remove the black background, shrink the text, add a drop shadow and generally make the subtitle display far less obnoxious.
I think the reason why FM and PSG mixing didn’t work is because the FM might have simply replaced the PSG, causing the sound effects to not be able to play as they did not change to FM.
You can use RGB with the FM unit. Just don't plug the FM unit into the back of the console. Instead plug your RGB cable in there. Then use a second standard composite cable for the audio from the FM unit. This of course doesn't fix the non-amplified RGB problem.
What confuses me to this day is that I have clear memories of running Meka for DOS, enabling FM unit, and that enhancing game gear game music, including Tails' Sky Patrol. I went to a boarding school in like 2005, and I remember setting it up on old common use machines. Haven't figured how how to do that since.
I went to a boarding school in like 2005 too (2005-2008 actually). On the residential side, there was a lot of gaming stuff going on if you counted everyone's stuff, like PC, NES, SNES, standard GameCube, modified GameCube (IcedCube), GBA SP AGS-001 (with GB/GBC/GBA games), DS Phat, DS Lite, PS one, PS2 Phat and Slim, PS3 Phat, PSP, original Xbox and Xbox 360. There was even some GBA emulation on the PC going on. No Sega hardware unfortunately; pre-2001 Sega was only represented by Sonic Mega Collection Plus on the PS2, the Radica Mega Drive plug-and-play (Volume 2) and the PC versions of Sonic 3D and Sonic R (although I did go to one of the boys' normal homes 4 years later in 2012 and he had a Mega Drive 2 sitting next to his PS3, but yeah). On the educational side, before the Windows 98 PC in one of the English classrooms (that we got to play on if we finished our work early) was replaced, it had a load of Sonic fangames on it! Like Sonic Robo Blast "1", and one which had the Sonic CD Quartz Quadrant "present" music in it which I'd like to know what it was called.
Oh lord, I wasn't ready for that Phantasy Star at the beginning there. Ugh, that pulled on the nostalgia cords pretty hard. For those of you who haven't played the original Phantasy Star, I'm sorry, you missed it. Yes, you can still play the game today, but it's the very definition of "a game of its time". You had to be there. If you were, you know what I'm talking about. If not, go play Final Fantasy 6, it's just as good as it was back then.
I’m thinking of getting a Japanese Master System or Mark III, along with an adapter, did your official US/European MS game cartridges work on them or not.
I love this video, it’s comedy gold, and this rom hack is really impressive. Unfortunately I definitely prefer the PSG audio as that’s what I’m used to and I kinda prefer that sound anyway, but it’s a very nice attempt. Marble Zone sounds even better than the Mega Drive version!
and Mega Everdrive X7 and Mega Everdrive Pro, but with all of those the YM2413 is in FPGA. You can use a db electronics Powerbase FM to get the Master System FM sound in real hardware on a Mega Drive / Genesis.
I feel like most if not all games that use FM have all of their sounds set to FM as well. Are there any games that mix the PSG and FM officially back in the day?
I'm a little late to the party, but to anyone reading this, it does work on a Mega-SG using the SMS adapter and a Master Everdrive X7. However, the pause button crashes the game, freezing it indefinitely. So you can't pause. Otherwise it works just fine.
It’s not the same thing... (not the same chip) , just because the American master system was released in 1986 (psg was only available at that time) and fm was introduced in Japan in 1987, sega couldn’t release it after the original release since companies didn’t tend to do that sort of thing back then, and it was to maintain compatibility
So, here's a question I assume was answered a REALLY long time ago... But still, I wonder. - Given that a Mega Drive with a Power Base Converter can run master system games, and the Mega Drive has both the PSG channels AND an FM synth chip... Does the Mega Drive play FM sound with any master system games, or did they arbitrarily disable this in spite of the hardware? Further, since FM synth was a standard feature of Japanese Mega Drives (and an add-on for the mkIII), does this vary at all between western and Japanese Mega Drives?
Thank you Red Hot Sonic, and more importantly Red Hot Amy (MVP PhD MD) for keeping us entertained during this apocalypse. You know, _I_ heard this virus was engineered in Robotnik Industries owned labs. Which explains why everyone who catches it turns into a terrifying cyborg. More seriously though, is the Mega Drive backwards compatible with Master System FM sound, like if you run these games from an Everdrive or whatever?
I was hooked with Sonic, the music is incredible. Not only musically technical which I didn't know as a kid 30 years ago, I did wonder the reason why the heck is the music so good. I replayed levels over and over just to listen to the music. I won't get married 😂
I have wondered what kind of work needs to be done to get PSG and FM mixing on the MKIII. While only this one hack uses it I wonder if it's as simple as a PSG patch cable. Do games that are PSG only work with the FM unit?
Besides Phantasy Star, are there any other games that have FM support removed from the Rom or is it just Phantasy Star that does this unlike other games keeping it in code.
@@redhotsonic Thanks, but in addition, is there also a list of Genesis/Mega Drive games that use batteries (SRAM), because I can’t find any and I just got a JP copy of Phantasy Star 2 yesterday and that used a battery for saving. Oh and do you replace batteries in your carts, is so, then do you use knife and electric tape or do you do soldering or do you replace SRAM with FRAM/FeRAM.
Entertaining as usual RHS but you forgot to mention that if you have a Mega EverDrive X7 with Necronomfive's FM core built in via FPGA, you can play Sonic 1 FM edition on your Mega Drive/Genesis, which is a far cheaper option than spending god knows how much on all that equipment just to play a selection of SMS games with YM2413 sound.
@redhotsonic What? You're saying a Mega Drive isn't real hardware? It is real hardware, there's nothing wrong with playing Master System games on a Mega Drive or Genesis. The system has a Zilog Z80 and it was built off the Master System it's predecessor. Why do you think SEGA released the Master System/Power Base add-on? I'll go one further, the Analogue Mega SG has an FM core built right into it, so you can easily pop in any Master System cartridge and tick FM in the settings and don't you dare say it's emulation because it's not. I understand you're an EXTREME purist who enjoys spending big amounts of money on all the original 1st generation hardware from SEGA and it's great to see that, but it should still be pointed out that there are other, cheaper ways of getting SMS games to run with FM music. Only emulators out there are either on mobiles, PCs or those horrid ATGAMES consoles.
@@Oysterblade84 It's not actual Master System hardware though - it's a Mega Drive in back compatibility mode which isn't exactly the same thing (no SG1000-mode game support)
You actually CAN get RGB out of the Mark III with the FM sound unit, but you have to use 2 cables. You just plug the big ribbon cable into the front of the Mark III and leave the AV adapter for the FM Unit unplugged. Then use the Mark III's video out for the RGB video, and use the FM unit's AV out for the audio.
@@redhotsonic Ahhh SCART. I'm running the HD Retrovision component cables which makes it a bit easier. You've got like 6 Master Systems now though, so it sounds like you don't need to bother with all that hahaha
It is incredible that Sega put an FM chip is such a limited console, it feels strange hearing megadrive type music with simple graphics.
GexoIsSad Wait till you hear and see Lagrange Point for the Famicom 😉
Well you see, I was alive back then and the Japanese government prohibited it, for fear that the Western nations would use our funky tunes (enhanced with all manner of cultural appropriation) to take over the world. For a while they were listed as export-banned munitions. I remember that the first time I heard this, I was wearing a Master System cartridge on my belt, as was the fashion at the time. They didn't have black cartridges at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big, yellow ones.
@@retro_boy_advance what the poop, this is dark witchcraft!! Actually speaking of Famicom/NES sound hardware, this is less impressive but I was deeply impressed that when Mario Maker made new snow music for the SMB3 style, and wanted to add sleigh bells, they confined the sleigh bell sample to what a NES sound chip could have replicated. Unlike my first comment on this thread this is actually factually true 😁
The Genesis/Mega Drive prototype was built from spare SG1000 and Master System parts.
@@tskraj3190 I would love to hear more about this, even in the form of "here's a link/search terms". Does this mean that there Mega Drive is backwards compatible with Master System FM sound? I was really hoping Red Hot Sonamy would say whether or not putting this on an MD Everdrive would work, but judging from the video they instead engaged in a tickling and/or smooching match. Which hey, not gonna blame them for, it must be great to have a beloved with you right now.
I've always felt that Master System FM music elevates 8 bit games much more than you'd expect. Some games actually feel like their Mega Drive counterparts.
Outrun 3D in FM, simply the best and would go well with your statement.
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Red hot sonic
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@@redhotsonic come back! We NEED YOU!
Note to self: don't get married.
I don't need more stress making videos.
Hi there 👋😊
Knuckles channel 3 & knuckles can you react to redhotsonic's video where his mom plays manic miner?
Yup.
Hi
Don't get married & Knuckles
"Don't get married" says the guy whose wife gets mad at him to buy retro hardware from Japan. Weird, I have the opposite problem!
Don't you have enough?
Your husband is happy that you're buying new software from America??
Wow, I'd love a wife like that lol
@@Pavlinka__ Yes, I live in Asia and my husband (we're gay) loves it when I buy things from the west. Spot on, chap!
@@mscottjohnson3424 I'm with my wife (we're bisexual, in a lesbian relationship) and she likes seeing me happy with new stuff, as long as I am being responsible with finances too.
We're getting an N64 next month. I also collect Transformers too, and she thinks it's neat.
The master system is underrated.
The 8bit sonic 1 is very different despite being called sonic 1.
8bit sonic 2 has tails on the box but tails isn't playable he actually gets kidnapped by eggman.
The Sega master system 3 looks slick as hell it just looks so nice and cool.
Wow I never knew
I personally prefer the Game Gear version of Sonic 1, as it fixes a few bugs (like how you don't die by torching the bottom edge of the TV screen in Jungle Zone Act 2 >_
@@RadioTails it isn't a bug it was removed because the game gear has screen crunch
@@RadioTails That isn't a bug, it's a feature
Not in Brazil and Europe
In these places the Master System continues to survive until 1997 receiving numerous Game Gear ports.
In Brazil the Master System even won an exclusive version of Street Fighter 2 and Battlemaniacs, even with the PS1, Saturn and Nintendo 64 in places like Brazil the Master System (and Mega Drive) became cheap options for those who didn't have much money to invest in a console.
"You finally satisfied me" 🤣🤣 RHS got roasted
7:58 "don't get married."
Wow. He just roasted his wife.
What a bastard.
I'm disappointed in him.
7:59
Then dies instantaneously afterwards.
@@ShadowtheTH-camr523 *bathtub
7:50 has got to be my most favorite RedHotSonic moment of all time
Don't get married
@@varganyamuvek Yeah I wonder if that moment aged at all after I made that comment 🙃
For Phantasy Star I think most fans actually prefer the PSG soundtrack to the FM one. Although hearing a couple of the Phantasy Star 1 songs remade in Phantasy Star 4 is definitely a treat.
9:56 says "Redhotsonic is sleeping on the sofa tonight"
No shit sherlock
There was also a FM sound expansion for the NES called the VRC7. The only game to use it was Lagrange Point, but the soundtrack was really impressive.
*Famicom not NES. Because Langrage Point is the only VRC7 FM game for the Famicom, there are actually more homebrew VRC7 chiptunes than that! (I know of two: Tappy - Aquarius and Fearofdark - The Coffee Zone)
I installed an FM mod in my master system, and it was definitely worth the money and effort.
It's scary when your wife comes in the room and the Eggman theme plays.
9:56 (At The Split Second) redhotsonic is sleeping on the sofa tonight!
The power of hardware modding at its finest to suit your tastes. Focusing on Sonic 1 FM, it's great to see these bonus changes or additions that spices the game a notch. Those interruptions and arguments from Millie were on point, especially at 7:59 😂 Luckily, digging deeper into this investigation was totally worth it.
I wish I could get a wife as supportive as yours; to tell you to go and bust like 500 GBP on two systems is something quite _out of this world._ Take good care of her and ensure she's happy - she's an extremely rare specimen.
this didnt age well
@@milkywaydotmoe I'm very much out of the loop what happened?
8:18 Married Life in a nutshell
One thing the FM version misses out on - at the end of the game, when the points are being totted up, there's a static effect that fades in and out on the original.
The delivery from 8:19 to 8:23 cracks me up
The FM sounds great, but the PSG has so much nostalgia to me that I'd still go with it 😁
Alternative solution: Terraonion's Mega SD.
My guess is few people will go importing a Japanese Master System just to play MS Sonic 1 with FM sound. Another, much more practical, way you can do this on, technically, real hardware is to get a Mega SD from Terraonion for €232 (I'll link it at the end). If you know anything about the Mega SD, you know it's basically an Everdrive for the Mega Drive/Genesis that has onboard Mega CD/Sega CD emulation chips that allow you to play Mega CD games from an iso file off an SD card without needing the actual Mega CD peripheral (or the 2nd power brick). Of course it also lets you play regular Mega Drive/Genesis games (yes, all regions, though there can be speed issues when playing 60Hz NTSC games on a 50Hz PAL console, and vice versa).
But on to the main point. As you probably know, the Mega Drive is backwards compatible with Master System games and includes the same chips that are in the Master System, so playing Master System games on a Mega Drive is essentially playing on real hardware. The Mega Drive isn't using emulation to play Master System games. So if you load any Master System ROMs onto your Everdrive/Mega SD, the Mega Drive will play them just fine. However, even though the Mega Drive uses FM sound for Mega Drive games, the Master System FM sound chip is different and so no Mega Drive/Genesis can play the FM sound in Master System games. BUT, a feature of the Mega SD that gets completely overshadowed by the Mega CD emulation is that the Mega SD can also emulate the Master System's FM sound chip. And, of course, all Mega Drive/Genesis units support RGB out.
SO, since you'd have to use an Everdrive anyway to play Sonic 1 with FM sound, if you have a Mega Drive/Genesis you can get a Mega SD and play Sonic 1 with FM sound on your Mega Drive, which again is essentially original hardware. This seems to me to be the most practical way to play SMS Sonic 1 with FM sound without emulation. And wile €232 is steep, so is buying a Japanese Master System/Mark III + FM unit OR Master System FM mod + Everdrive. And you can also play all Mega CD/Sega CD, Master System/Genesis, and Master System games from any region.
Link to Terraonion's website:
shop.terraonion.com/en/products/16-megasd_megacd_segacd_fpga_cartridge.html
UPDATE: I just checked and the Mega Everdrive X7 also has a Master System FM chip. Again, this is to play Master System games on your Mega Drive/Genesis, not your Master System. Earlier versions of the Mega Everdrive (X5, X3) do not have this feature and no version of the Master Everdrive have FM sound chips. So with either the Mega SD or Everdrive X7 you can play Master System games with FM sound on a Mega Drive/Genesis.
That shot when the Mark III comes on the screen, my face involuntarily lit up with joy. Thank you for that. I needed it.
ValleyBell is the king of music hacking. His work really impresses me! Music hacking is the one thing that I cannot wrap my head around. :V Also haha hearing your wife in the background was great! xD
Long Live The King🤴
I loved the sound of the master system. Probably the great songwriting helped a lot but I always liked the sounds as well. Phantasy Star, Sonic, Double Dragon, Master of Darkness, lots and lots of great soundtracks
“I’M A POET!”
“...AND I DID NOT REALISE THAT!”
best part of the video
Great video! I love learning more about the Master System. Also the part with you and your wife joking around was hilarious and cute
4:44 that “Hey!” Really spooked me
8:00 It was at this point RHS Knew he f**ked up xD
no he F*cked up here 10:34
7:59
4:50
*wholesome assault noises*
I died when your wife came in and dissed you.
Same 😂
Oh actually this is worth a second comment - I've just noticed you do _proper subtitles_ and especially since that's much rarer on TH-cam than television, as a partially deaf viewer thank you loads. I don't think I noticed that until now (though I kinda have the memory of a pensioner so I'm not sure), as I've usually been turning them off for the mobile app, since I didn't realise it had subtitle settings buried in it that (like the web player) let you remove the black background, shrink the text, add a drop shadow and generally make the subtitle display far less obnoxious.
I watched this video once
I rewatched this in 2023 and...
We were too innocent to understand 8:18 💀
What does it mean?
I think the reason why FM and PSG mixing didn’t work is because the FM might have simply replaced the PSG, causing the sound effects to not be able to play as they did not change to FM.
Great video! I like the bits where you included your wife into the mix. She's funny!
''Don't get married''
Lmao
I read this EGGSACTLY when he said it XD
new subber here, this is fantastic. very entertaining without being obnoxious or annoying, where have you been all my life RHS?
You can use RGB with the FM unit. Just don't plug the FM unit into the back of the console. Instead plug your RGB cable in there. Then use a second standard composite cable for the audio from the FM unit.
This of course doesn't fix the non-amplified RGB problem.
What confuses me to this day is that I have clear memories of running Meka for DOS, enabling FM unit, and that enhancing game gear game music, including Tails' Sky Patrol. I went to a boarding school in like 2005, and I remember setting it up on old common use machines. Haven't figured how how to do that since.
I went to a boarding school in like 2005 too (2005-2008 actually).
On the residential side, there was a lot of gaming stuff going on if you counted everyone's stuff, like PC, NES, SNES, standard GameCube, modified GameCube (IcedCube), GBA SP AGS-001 (with GB/GBC/GBA games), DS Phat, DS Lite, PS one, PS2 Phat and Slim, PS3 Phat, PSP, original Xbox and Xbox 360. There was even some GBA emulation on the PC going on.
No Sega hardware unfortunately; pre-2001 Sega was only represented by Sonic Mega Collection Plus on the PS2, the Radica Mega Drive plug-and-play (Volume 2) and the PC versions of Sonic 3D and Sonic R (although I did go to one of the boys' normal homes 4 years later in 2012 and he had a Mega Drive 2 sitting next to his PS3, but yeah).
On the educational side, before the Windows 98 PC in one of the English classrooms (that we got to play on if we finished our work early) was replaced, it had a load of Sonic fangames on it! Like Sonic Robo Blast "1", and one which had the Sonic CD Quartz Quadrant "present" music in it which I'd like to know what it was called.
Oh lord, I wasn't ready for that Phantasy Star at the beginning there. Ugh, that pulled on the nostalgia cords pretty hard.
For those of you who haven't played the original Phantasy Star, I'm sorry, you missed it. Yes, you can still play the game today, but it's the very definition of "a game of its time". You had to be there. If you were, you know what I'm talking about. If not, go play Final Fantasy 6, it's just as good as it was back then.
Hey bro love you're channel and stay safe
7:59 "don't get married!" 😂😂😂😂
I’m thinking of getting a Japanese Master System or Mark III, along with an adapter, did your official US/European MS game cartridges work on them or not.
They sure did (with the adapter) :)
This was extremely entertaining to watch haha
I love this video, it’s comedy gold, and this rom hack is really impressive. Unfortunately I definitely prefer the PSG audio as that’s what I’m used to and I kinda prefer that sound anyway, but it’s a very nice attempt. Marble Zone sounds even better than the Mega Drive version!
Fun fact: The marble zone music in the original version of the game (without the FM music) was unused in the game.
I was hoping you'd upload this at some point, and I'm really glad you did!
The McGuinness Experiment Hello! 👋
@@cm-ih1jb well hello there!
It was the "you finally satisfied me" joke that made me laugh out loud and subscribe. Classic.
I doesn't understand
fun fact: the sms fm chip (YM2413 or OPLL) was the same used in the old Adlib cards (YM3812 or OPL2)
"Dont get married" Redhotsonic 2020
"You've finally satisfied me" Redhotsonic's wife 2020.
Girl you savage and hilarious LOL
3:06 Yeesh! The death jingle now sounds pretty terrifying.
Spooky fest
Sonic 2 SMS Much Creepier
@ItzBreakerless Really? Where?
@@CobaltChono Just Search It On TH-cam
This also works on a Mega Drive using the Mega SD flash cart, that allows FM playback with MS games.
and Mega Everdrive X7 and Mega Everdrive Pro, but with all of those the YM2413 is in FPGA. You can use a db electronics Powerbase FM to get the Master System FM sound in real hardware on a Mega Drive / Genesis.
2:05 the Mazda Everdrive? When did they make that car? 😂
Well That's How Us British Says Master So *DEAL WITH IT*
We say mazda, you say meastrr
Holy shit i forgot i left this comment
This was an epic video. 1 day sooner and i could have watched this on my birthday
Hello redhotsonic! I love your videos!
I feel like most if not all games that use FM have all of their sounds set to FM as well. Are there any games that mix the PSG and FM officially back in the day?
6:33
Huh. I always wondered why none of the officially released games on the system used FM and PSG sound at the same time. Now I know.
The BIOS of the Master System MK2000 uses FM and PSG at the same time
Missed opportunity to say “I’m a poet and I didn’t know it”
That's the joke.
Now we need RHS Ultimate Family Crossover!
But great video, as usual. Thanks!
I'm a little late to the party, but to anyone reading this, it does work on a Mega-SG using the SMS adapter and a Master Everdrive X7. However, the pause button crashes the game, freezing it indefinitely. So you can't pause. Otherwise it works just fine.
I like how he argued with his wife lol
That's funny. haha
Good video!
*You can also buy a FM 8-Bit adaptor for your Mega Drive can also do the trick people!*
When it comes to the SEEEEGAAAAAAA master system, the first character you see is a once forgotten princess with a sword 🗡
Sword🗡️
Great video! Really enjoyed watching! 😁👍
Good stuff! Love your content
what game is that? 0:13
Phantasy Star.
Sonic Statue: "redhotsonic is sleeping on the sofa tonight!" RHS: Hello Darkness My Old Friend
"Dont Get Married" - A Brazil Guy
Look, i know that this is a 1 year old comment. but just listen. rhs is actually british
I think that Sega omitted the FM synthesis because of cost cutting and saving it for the Genesis
It’s not the same thing... (not the same chip) , just because the American master system was released in 1986 (psg was only available at that time) and fm was introduced in Japan in 1987, sega couldn’t release it after the original release since companies didn’t tend to do that sort of thing back then, and it was to maintain compatibility
Good to see the RHS household is calm and tranquil during the Covid-19 situation and that you're not, for example, tearing strips off each other.
So, here's a question I assume was answered a REALLY long time ago...
But still, I wonder. - Given that a Mega Drive with a Power Base Converter can run master system games, and the Mega Drive has both the PSG channels AND an FM synth chip...
Does the Mega Drive play FM sound with any master system games, or did they arbitrarily disable this in spite of the hardware?
Further, since FM synth was a standard feature of Japanese Mega Drives (and an add-on for the mkIII), does this vary at all between western and Japanese Mega Drives?
I love Sky Base FM so much
Same
4:43 agrument
"You finally satisfied me"
"Wait what?"
😂😂😂😂😂
7:58 made me laugh .....
Kinda hits different nowadays tho...
it was at 10:34
when he realized he phuced up
7:58 "Don't get married."
"WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!!"
Nice giving the mark iii some love
8:20 best moment ever 🤣🤣
Thank you Red Hot Sonic, and more importantly Red Hot Amy (MVP PhD MD) for keeping us entertained during this apocalypse. You know, _I_ heard this virus was engineered in Robotnik Industries owned labs. Which explains why everyone who catches it turns into a terrifying cyborg.
More seriously though, is the Mega Drive backwards compatible with Master System FM sound, like if you run these games from an Everdrive or whatever?
I was hooked with Sonic, the music is incredible. Not only musically technical which I didn't know as a kid 30 years ago, I did wonder the reason why the heck is the music so good. I replayed levels over and over just to listen to the music. I won't get married 😂
Redhotsonic:Don't get married.
Redhotsonics Wife:What did you say!?
This is a fantastic video, love to mixed in humor
instant like when the v2.1 space harrier bios ost played. you got the best japanese SMS
you went above and beyond the call of duty. I probably just would have gotten the Power Base Converter and called it a day!
I have wondered what kind of work needs to be done to get PSG and FM mixing on the MKIII. While only this one hack uses it I wonder if it's as simple as a PSG patch cable. Do games that are PSG only work with the FM unit?
Besides Phantasy Star, are there any other games that have FM support removed from the Rom or is it just Phantasy Star that does this unlike other games keeping it in code.
List of games with conditions here: etim.net.au/smsfm/smsfm.html
@@redhotsonic Thanks, but in addition, is there also a list of Genesis/Mega Drive games that use batteries (SRAM), because I can’t find any and I just got a JP copy of Phantasy Star 2 yesterday and that used a battery for saving.
Oh and do you replace batteries in your carts, is so, then do you use knife and electric tape or do you do soldering or do you replace SRAM with FRAM/FeRAM.
7:54 Lol 2 of your screens went off xD
Entertaining as usual RHS but you forgot to mention that if you have a Mega EverDrive X7 with Necronomfive's FM core built in via FPGA, you can play Sonic 1 FM edition on your Mega Drive/Genesis, which is a far cheaper option than spending god knows how much on all that equipment just to play a selection of SMS games with YM2413 sound.
That's not real hardware, is it? That's a Mega Drive? Hence it was not included.
You could also get the Power Base Mini FM which is REAL HARDWARE as it has the FM chip in it. And it's only $60.
He does it so you don't have to.
@redhotsonic What? You're saying a Mega Drive isn't real hardware? It is real hardware, there's nothing wrong with playing Master System games on a Mega Drive or Genesis. The system has a Zilog Z80 and it was built off the Master System it's predecessor. Why do you think SEGA released the Master System/Power Base add-on?
I'll go one further, the Analogue Mega SG has an FM core built right into it, so you can easily pop in any Master System cartridge and tick FM in the settings and don't you dare say it's emulation because it's not.
I understand you're an EXTREME purist who enjoys spending big amounts of money on all the original 1st generation hardware from SEGA and it's great to see that, but it should still be pointed out that there are other, cheaper ways of getting SMS games to run with FM music.
Only emulators out there are either on mobiles, PCs or those horrid ATGAMES consoles.
@@Oysterblade84 It's not actual Master System hardware though - it's a Mega Drive in back compatibility mode which isn't exactly the same thing (no SG1000-mode game support)
8:02 I'm considering it but currently I'm stuck in the single life
The improvement to the soundtrack is comparable to the Famicom release of Castlevania 3
If there was a theoretical Sonic 1 hack that did FM for the SFX as well as the BGM, presumably that would resolve the issue with the Mark III, right?
In theory, yes.
These vds are heavily underrated
3:17 still not sure what he meant by this
If you hear well, it starts with Green Hill's music, and a while after changes to Emerald Hill's music
This video has really upped his standard for “real hardware”
The fact this is my second video is the best thing ever.
You actually CAN get RGB out of the Mark III with the FM sound unit, but you have to use 2 cables. You just plug the big ribbon cable into the front of the Mark III and leave the AV adapter for the FM Unit unplugged. Then use the Mark III's video out for the RGB video, and use the FM unit's AV out for the audio.
The problem with that was I would then have to solder both cables together into one SCART plug which seemed like a hassle 😅
@@redhotsonic Ahhh SCART. I'm running the HD Retrovision component cables which makes it a bit easier. You've got like 6 Master Systems now though, so it sounds like you don't need to bother with all that hahaha
LOVE YOUR VIDS!!
The Sky Base Zone music is rave worthy regardless.
[headbangs]
That music is F'ing Awesome!
FM sounds really good but PSG fits more in game
4:11 i like how sky base zone sounds like with your American Master System model 3010