DREAM WORKSHOP BUILD - What's it costing? - INSULATED PANELS v TRADITIONAL
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Time to answer some questions and give you the full disclosure on prices, thought processes and all the options that I considered. Back on the tools later this week. 👍
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Tim i have 40yrs experience working in construction, your workshop is a great design and build, well done. I particularly like the roof very practical and so easy. I think the key is you have designed something you would enjoy building, i certainly enjoyed watching you build it, thanks!
totally agree. good concept, well planned. 👍👍
Composite every time! Simple, efficient. Nice finish on the inside. Whatever you want on the outside. Just watch the falls on the roof.
Sod the timber framed workshop! I'm going to make one of those MDF calculators!
I imagine that those insulated panels would provide great sound deadening -- ideal for a workshop in a residential area
You've sold me on those panels for the roof 😁 I've got to replace the asbestos roof on my workshop later in the year. If costs are gonna be similar, but time to build is reduced that much, its a total no brainer!
Your workshop looks good inside with the big beams pleasing on the eye, your a hard working guy ,old jimmy Australia
Thanks Tim for taking the time to explain everything. Top bloke.
Very detailed breakdown, thanks for the comparison. Always a pleasure to watch your videos, a definite inspiration.
A great explanation of your build, methods and reasons for choosing them. Thanks for sharing them👍
So interesting to see how cost effective your methods are. Looks great and will last too I expect.
100% agree with your points! Brilliant design, cost effective, quick and purpose built. Congrats on building new workshop!! 👍
Very interesting cost breakdown Tim. Certainly something I’ll look into for a future project, particularly the roof panels with regard to height restrictions. Plus, what a great space you’ve got for not too much money! Well done 👍
That was a genius idea using the panels for everything!
Thanks for sharing! Roof materials are brilliant for an outside building! Have a roof on my garage that is coated OSB and felt and it’s cold and has a lot of maintenance! Will just us this material from now on!
You have certainly given me some great ideas for my workshop which I will be starting this summer
Looks amazing
It would be fascinating to have an open house at yours to see these projects - only 150k subscribers would want to have a peek!
Hello Tim, Aways here to watch your fabulous videos God bless you and your family!!!
Excellent video Tim, I like your logic.
Those panels on your frame look good and solid. Can't wait for the outside cladding video.
Great summary! I was going to use this approach for a workshop at the end of our garden, but my wife has decided she wants it for her ceramic studio so I’ll be stuck in the garage. We should be able to get 2m from the boundary so can get a 4m pitched roof with hopefully some nice looking trusses. Looking forward to seeing how you fixed cladding to panelling and the details for window and door installation. Thanks for the great content
I've been looking forward to this video. I don't know why but I automatically assumed going the stud route would be miles cheaper. As you explained there is time to be saved going this route as well. You've done a brilliant job. Well done.
Looking forward to see how you managed with the guttering, what cuts and scoops you had to make in the pir boards so water doesn't sip in etc. Good job!
Flat roofs are prone to problems in my opinion and a composite is a better solution.
That 80mm panel will be giving you exactly 0.25 u value and will last 25 years.
I would rivet a 50 x 50mm white lining enamel flashing down the inside between the wall panel and roof panel at that verge line. Couple of £££ per mtr from a local fabricator.
BTW it would be very simple to have an overhang (soffit) with this panel using fascia flashings and a galv angle, then stick any type of gutter you like on there but I guess the horse has bolted now that the panels are on site cut to length. .
Marley Alutec if you’re feeling flush with cash.
Well done, huge huge congratulations. I have a very similar building planned, though i need four feet of blockwork off the concrete base - rare flooding and vermin prevention. Studwork or sips above blocks all clad in feather edge leaving 9 inches of blocks exposed externally, tanked lower four inches then zinssered gray, to match fading of cedar. Was looking at a semi-internal oak frame in 6''. Then a lean-to overlooking riverside. Built by just me with no access to buy ready-mix ! Grief !!
Hi Tim few years ago i built my own shed from unseasond timber so i wanted to slow drying down i at the time was watching a you tube vid from the US and they used a mix of orange oil and beeswax with i think tupentine to thin it so it aplied easy so i used the same i have to say it both looked great smelled great and it has actualy worked extremly well and wasnt that costly either pleased you have your workshop too :)
Looking forwards to the wiring and lighting.
I used panels same as that to re-roof my garage, great finish, once planned out was straightforward to fit.
Brilliant solution well explained and amazing to learn the equivalent cost to the standard route. Thanks
Glad I found this series of videos, got a workshop at the end of the garden, these roof panels could be just want I need to finally finish the roof. It's just been a tarp over OSB for a few years, I reckon I could just get away with 6 or 7 and the roof would be done!
That’s one beautiful shed ❤️ I’m so jealous 👍
Your workshop is looking great,a job well done..
Regardless of what it has cost you you have for yourself an amazing workshop built by yourself to thought required specifications. I'm sure that you will be extremely happy with it for years to come. Oh and that timber frame looks awesome from the inside and much better than just timber studded walls! Enjoy it here you have waited long enough to get it. 👍😃
Thanks for the series Tim. Using this as a guide for my own outbuilding, but trying to use infill so the oak is visible from outside. Starting to think this is a better option!
Couple of pics on IG today of the boards and cladding. 👍
Convinced me to try one like this, certainly makes sense to build this way. just need to wait for the blackmarket organ prices to go up again!
Hi Tim I love the hole concept of your ideas the look and the overall design me personally wouldn't change a single thing
Very good.... as you note there are multiple construction methods. Top job 👍
Very informative. Id like to see some detail of the ridge caps, the exterior of the window reveals and them wooden verticals between the exterior cladding please.
It looks great fully insulated ready to fit out and the pleasure of creating something that will stand the test of time...
Nice work - Tim. Good approach to keep the thermal line outside the primary structure - a lot quicker and ensures a continuous thermal line / waterproofing layer. Airtightness should be much better also - which is a big factor in performance. Like the idea of going this approach with SIPS also, but then you have to still waterproof...but they could have been the structure.
you have made a great job of the workshop you have done it the way you wanted it well done
Fab job! Well done you have great talent
Looking forward to seeing that exterior 😎
Awesome job !
Great job. You will spend thousands of hours in there. Might as well make it nice. Your attention to detail will inspire you in your future projects.
A great project...and it seems to me that you could still come in cheaper in the long run ( or definitely a free small out house/ building ) as you did have some left over material....thanks for the sneak peek of cladding 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻❤️🙋🏻♀️🇬🇧💕jane !
Good work I wish I can do things like that I am still a beginner learning how to cut wood measurement tips to learning anyway keep up the good work keepsake
Tim I was going to use an epoxy resin floor in my workshop but I have since changed my mind, I'm now going with interlocking PVC floor tiles. Heavy 7mm thick. Last forever
Tim the cost for your walls and roof is also considerably less due to labour time to install the conventional build.
Great build and videos👍
I am thinking of using this to clad the walls and roof on an open frame shipping container, I think it's a great option 👍
Well done mate! Whether you went the conventional construction or what you did, either way its what pleases you most.
I think it looks great mate. You should have told them I went for the frame not studs. Because I got free hangers on the pegs 😂😂. I think that is cheap. you could live in that with all the insulation 👍👍👍
Exactly what i wanted to know!!!
Brilliant Tim. Will be a wonderful workshop to work in.
WRT ventilation, have considered using one of those "single room heat exchanger" units instead of a plain fan. They run continuously swapping stale warm air with preheated fresh air. You might need to add a filter as the workshop will be a dusty environment. It may help make it more pleasant working environment in winter.
WRT dust, if you are having a central dust extraction system, have you looked at those floor vents which allow you to sweep the sawdust into them, and it gets sucked into the extraction system?
I'm a British expat living in the mountains of Mongolia. I'm close to building a garage/workshop myself. Locals typically use concrete blocks but I'm against it. I'm considering metal insulated panels or SIP's. SIP's look much more expensive actually. Especially if I order from China (next door) although I haven't checked shipping (by train and truck prices). The nice thing about SIP's is they are the frame. For metal insulated panels, I'd need a steel frame most likely. I'm weighing up the costs right now. The size is about 50-60 m/2 and a single story. We might even divide it and have a guest room. So it needs to be liveable in the harsh Mongolian winter - which gets to -30C average low in January. So thicker insulation is essential.
I might make a video but nobody seems interested in my videos. So I'm not sure.
Awesome video, amazing workshop, loved the level of detail. The only trouble is that I now want to build one! 😅
Your deisgn looks great. You did that roof on your own on your own over a few hours. Unreal. Great job and great video. Thanks for the breakdown.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Tim!
Had it all in my head on how the wife's new garden office would be constructed with a warm epdm roof now i have to think again after your videos.
Re your fascias in timber? And how will you fix.
All good things to those who wait, or graft 🤣. Lovely job Tim. As you say, it’s essentially an outbuilding with practice at timber structural framing and testing of technologies, all hidden under nice cedar cladding - better to learn on a £5k building than a £100k+ self-build. I rent an industrial unit in an old mill, and pretty it ain’t!
Incredible low cost for what you have! I guess you labour is free to you. And that 175 is stunning, would I want to work in your workshop - oh yeah!
Can't wait to see more,built my own shed done my own drive and slabbing the garden ,costs saved means I can now afford the garden furniture pay someone for the electrics .
Looking amazing 😉
Great, modern take on a standard build. Regards AJ
Another top video by a top diy’er 🙂 Well thought through, efficient and clever use of materials. So, my question to you Tim; when are coming around to help me build my garage/workshop? Best to you all 😉
Talented man, great vids and a slight resemblance to max branning
You mean Luke Goss
One point is that your roof will not sweat or condensate and will be effectively maintenance free and not need to be revisited for a ventilation solution as happened on a roof my friend had done. The size of the structure and usable area is seriously cost effective and im sure has given a lot of people some serious food for thought. Is a door required if access will rarely be needed and removing and replacing the panels is not too time consuming if some kind of flexible seal can be provided. Looking forward to the fitting out.
such a lovely frame all covered up
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@@TheRestorationCouple TBF I did make the comment before fully watching the video lol
Tim, and if you ever move you can disassemble and bring with you
Hi Tim, here in France they don't boil their linseed oil. The oak here goes through some big temperature and moisture changes, two coats of pure linseed takes a couple of days to be touch dry but does wonders for dry wood. I said before that the density of foam in these panels is about the equivalent of 250 mm of wool, that figure was for 100 mm plus panels. That said I still think you will get a u value close too 200 mm of traditional fiberglass wool with your panels. Nice tidy job, I like it.
Yeah I’ve got raw linseed oil here which is what I was planning on. 👍
Are you having a little dig at the "Oakwood Garden Rooms" man? The ubiquitous garden rooms, made on stilts, with anthracite windows and cedar cladding are as boring as a Tesla. However, you can get one built in two weeks. By someone else. That's very attractive to some folks. You've clearly had more fun, but some of us have to earn a living too. Love your channel, keep trying new things. Doing something you haven't done before is the only thing that keeps me going after 25 years as a builder!
Extra-ordinary! Include an arm chair so you can sit and look at the timber frame. Two thoughts. Don’t I remember you using a chain mortiser? Part of the cost of timber frame that would not apply to stick built? Would there be a code/safety problem with electrical wiring in the gap between the panels and the posts - susceptible to being pierced if someone fixed something to the outside? Thanks for the video!
Wrapping it in a tea cozy! Lol!!
Great work as always. A lot of work in your frame. Foe me 50mm box frame insulated roof and walls be cheaper and quicker but not as nice as yours looks inside
Looks great and definitely making me rethink my own plans! I wish I had the time to devote as much effort as you to fun projects. Do you think a solid concrete base is necessary for this building or could Ali Dymock's solution work too? (Don't laugh if this is a ridiculously stupid question - I work in IT so know nothing!)
Hi Tim, great build and thanks for explaining things simply.
With regards to the roof, how do you stop the wind and rain driving into the end profile of the corrugations?
Just a quick note to say thanks for the best bit of advice ever when laying terraces/patios....when levelling backfill " don't use a rake. Use a concrete " rake". Best 14 euro I ever spent. Thanks
excellent
The beard is making a comeback 💪 And 21:27... Christ, not sure what that makes the rest of us then 😄
Thanks good update and breakdown of costs, the beams look really nice. Google boat soup sure you could use this to seal the beams has been used on wooden boat for 100s of years. What's your plan for heating? My dad bought one of those cheep air diesel heaters that are a copy of the eberspacher makes working in the winter a lot more pleasant.
Your explanation makes perfect sense, well done! One question: Would You be happy to rig a chainhoist on Your ridgebeam?
For most workshop stuff yes. Not sure if lift a V8 out of a car but it’s pretty solid.
Мастерская 👍каркас из бруса выглядит дорого богато 🤝. Привет из Владивостока 🤙
Maybe the detractors wanted wattle and daub. You have done good work.
Got a house made with some of that. Pain in the arse. Looks good though though as you don’t mind the constant maintenance 😁
I would take the construction here every time for an outbuilding especially as the sneaky peak of the out side says who would even know!
So at least the two of us are in agreement on an all around great job
Excellent Tim. Did you consider mounting the walls horizontally?
Brilliant video, leaning towards composite for my garden room now! Just wondering about how to finish in plaster board if there is no roof joists to attach it to and the noise level off the roof when there is a downpour? 🙈
If say it’s about the same as the EPDM flat roof on the garage. For a ceiling you could batten first then plasterboard as that would give cavity for lighting. Otherwise, walls just board straight on.
What about sound? When it rains or in hailstones, will the sound travel through the insulation? It looks great so far, well done, must be great to finally have it..
You're 100% right on thermal efficency, composite is much better
Doesn’t really have to be composite even. Just the concept of keeping it external and continuous is the key. 👍
Super breakdown of cost thank you! Love to hear your opinion on ‘standard garden room’!
Great job, Tim, I bet those walls have better insulation than some houses. 👍
Good idea with the garage door, I bet roller shutters aren’t cheap to buy., so you’ve saved a bit of money till you think you need one.
I presume you have to run the electrics in trunking to meet whatever UK regulation dictates?
Will you run a feed off the house consumer unit and will you future proof it with a Cat cable at the same time?
Better than all the rooms in this house for sure! It will have its own supply and CU.
Lovely job. You will thank your self come next winter you went with that construction when you are warm out side playing in your new empire of dirt!
I've seen less advertised for double the cost!
Good job by the way.😎
Thanks! 👍
I'm trying to source some timber at the moment and prices have really gone crazy.
You could double the price for that timber now! Great job.
One thing I didn’t see you mention is the sound inside when it rains, typically metal or polycarbonate roofs are so noisy, I presume with the insulation, it’s not even an issue but would be nice to know, I built my garden studio 20 years ago with normal timber and kinsman sheets on a flat roof, If they had these back then (and I knew about it) I’d def use these, what a brilliant idea, another important factor is it looks so much faster & easier. Doing an EPDM roof on my own was not easy..
What're building regs like for using this in a domestic building? I'm re roofing an old privy under pdr to raise the ceiling, and having a roof I can reliably do myself would be a massive saving!
Im glad you did this video! Its answered most of my questions. What i want to know now is if the roofing you used could be used on a single storey extension as a roof for an orangery/conservatory?
Possibly not robust enough for an extension but maybe on an orangery/conservatory. Not sure how you would connect it to the existing building though. I think we are talking outbuildings really.
@@dannymurphy1779 yeah itd be for an orangery type conservatory extension. Just an extra living space
Tim, which video do you run through the learnings on the concrete slab? I’ve watched it but can’t find it again.
About to plan mine where did your timber come from ?? Great videos
Hi Tim love the build.. I've managed to get 16x 3mtr composite panels for free from work. Plan to build a 4mtr x 3mtr build all done without a timber frame. Just clad the exterior at some point. Question.. if I used the roof panels you used to span 3mtr with canopy, so say 3.5mtr would you or anyone think it need a supporting..? Thanks. J
Impressive look, maybe start practicing with a chain saw as it would save a great deal of time and space and eliminate a lot of cutting and trimming tools! 👍🏼
Could you put cement boards onto those composite wall panels and then put render on it?
Also, what is the structural rating of the roof panels? i.e. could you walk on them?
how did you finish the panels on the ends ?? could you tell us please . Is there a flashing kit you need to use or did you make something up yourself . And cost of flashing kit ?? thank you