I have to agree with Peter on the headshot at 23:06. It would be a much better image if it weren't so over-processed. People are allowed to have pores and skin imperfections. It's what makes them look like real humans.
Yes, the best retouching leaves pores but makes more beautiful transitions between shadow and highlight areas and even their skintones. I think it looks unprofessional on women's headshots when the retoucher didn't make their neck match their face in skin tone. It's so easy to do but it's about having the eye to even see what you need to do.
Then you randomly watch this video and one of your photos is in it (a pretty bad one actually ahah) thanks a lot! You made me realize i was doing pretty much everything wrong ahah next time you're going to be looking at a better photo!
Peter and Patrick, you guys rock. I get so inspired from the Critique's and just want to go out and shoot more. I shot a lot when I lived in San Diego, but now that I have moved back to the Midwest, I feel uninspired. You guys provide so much information and in a really fun way. Keep rock'n it!
Always great to hear from Peter Hurley, he's truly one of the greats. Hilarious how hung up he got on the eye brows. With these critiques, I'd love to hear more detail on what would make your 4's into a 5. You're very helpful with the 2's and 3's but when you give a 4, you only ever have good things to say...If it's not a five, I'd love to hear detail on what's holding it back. Great work fstoppers team, as always.
Maine Mountain Media the way I understand 4, it means you nailed everything right from a technical aspect, a flawless image. To get five seems more like luck, like just everything was PERFECT at the moment you pressed your shutter. The best you’re gonna get is 4, the universe has to step in to get a 5. Lol
I couldn't stop watching this video. Meaning that I had to watch the whole thing. Like when you "can't put a book down." I happen to like portrait making, particularly what I call "candid portraits", which Mr. Hurley gets by drawing out a subject, while I have to wait and hope to get one as it happens with my fast reflexes. I have learned a lot aout tricking the subject. I have learned a lot about what to watch out for. I have seen Mr. Hurley before online as well. I enjoyed fStoppers here. I don't know who the moderator is, but I think you look better in the portrait you put up, than you would with the full beard. Just my unbiased and un-asked for opinion.
It's crazy how much I agree with their critiques! I am and Actor in Salt Lake city that shoots headshots. I speak "actor" which helps with the "Expressions". So much of what Peter, whom I recently discovered his videos, I do instinctively and because of my acting Experience. I am Going to soak in everything you guys do!
Some of these models will probably take Peters comments as a personal attack....nothing could be further from the truth...he is critiquing the photographers work...not the model. This video is AMAZING!! LOVE IT! Thank you Fstoppers!!
Dear Patrick and Peter, If I was to come to a workshop with you both (in real life!!) - essentially this is what it is; I still think there is a very valuable learning experience to be had here. Your critiques are extremely important, like that of any professional. First, I would begin with what I think and then listen to what you both have to say. I like getting critiqued on my opinion, re subject, up against you real professionals.... and not the other way around. I can duplicate every tutorial out there but if I do nothing on my account I am still nothing!!!
I'm trying hard to like Patrick. I'm failing. I'm very grateful for his work ethic and the fstoppers community, and he comes across well sometimes. He kills me with his misplaced arrogance in these critique episodes though. The best headshot guy in the world wants to give an image a 5 that Patrick barely rates a 3? I've seen your work Patrick.
I agree, trying on my end but his personality is tough to like. The big difference is that Peter is offering critique, and Patrick is just pointing out everything that might be wrong. hopefully he'll become humble, and then I'll watch videos with him in it. plus patrick just takes shots of him playing air guitar...
I'm sure others noticed when Patrick or Peter were giving a 1/2 rating, Patrick always rounds down and Peter always rounds up. That says something to me.
With most people viewing on mobiles and not bothering to switch of landscape, It makes more sense to be in Portrait mode. I'm a desktop guy and prefer horizontal but have to accept the changes to how people view your photos.
How much does the type of usage impact the lighting/styling of a portrait? For example, would a website page have something that is Hi-Key and less contrasty than something used for social media?
Awesome content! I particularly like it when you guys post critiques up with professionals from different genres because it gives depth to the critiques. Plus, Peter Hurley is the shit. There's also that. Thanks guys! 👍🏻
Too much of the conversation about the crops doesn't take into account that these are images with photographer's logos; they are like send-out photographs and, as such, will often be more radically cropped than the same image as delivered to the client or in the portfolio. Peter Hurley is pretty much always spot-on: basing critique on his own preferences but still being open (and honest) to the choices the photographers have made.
That was the first thing I thought at 3:15 when his main criticism of the Shallaw Muller photo was the wide crop. This was supposed to be critiques of the photographs and the photographers who shot them. The photo was obviously an advertisement cropped that way by a graphic designer, most likely to fit a particular space (probably at the top or bottom of a website). The photographer in this case had nothing to do with the cropping. So the critique of the size and cropping was pointless. Hurley had good things to say about the photo itself and the photographer. That's all they should have based their critique on. Then when they went to the next one, Peter claims that he tries to consider the genre of the image, yet he obviously did not consider that on the prior image.
@@fluidmindorg you are assuming. we dont know that unless we research and prove it about that photo. its just best not to assume the use of the photo as a fact.
Peter I have not laughed so much at a critique in a long time. Harsh reviews but once you explained it all made sense. Quote of the ep "She is 'Blank'". All in all, insightful episode.
Peter's reaction is what I expected Pye's reaction to be when you guys were critiquing wedding photos! Awesome! "One! One, one, one. ONE! AND THE BROW!" Hahaha!
Love this vid. Not sure about the brow critique though. Looks like the photographer was a bit to keen with the Liquify filter and the brow was the upshot of it.
So weird. I shit you not. I was listening to an old froknows podcast today with peter in it and was thinking to myself man I wish fstoppers would have him on for a critique. Great minds think alike. Shabang!
+jethpub I have been shooting since 1982 and I was educated at the Art Center College of Design Pasadena and I have have shot tons of editorial work. Think photography is subjective. There is not a right and wrong way with eye pupils. For me I know I like to get highlights in the eye area. Remember these guys are out to sell there programs and classes. I agree with some of there ideas but not all of them. For me a plain head shot on a plain background is boring but I will shoot them if a client wants it.
+Luke McShane glad you disagree with me. You are allowed your opinion. His view is just his opinion and there is no right way and wrong way. I was shooting when he was working as a model. He found his niche in the photo business and he is a good salesman. Fstoppers is about selling their products. If I was good at selling like that I would do the same. That is not my niche. I agree with some of the things he's says but not everything..
dphotos It's not that I really disagree with you, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I'm no way near knowledgeable enough on this subject to hold an informed opinion. I was simply humoring myself and playfully mocking your opening sentence to your original comment
I agreed with everything that was said on these images. The first "beauty" shot with the arm and hand draped over her head and nails...one of the first things I noticed, was that her foundation didn't match the rest of her skin tones. That's a pet peeve of mine.
Ok, so my take on the image at 15.32: if the light in the model's left eye (as looking at the image, but actually his right eye) was adjusted to match the right eye, it would be an almost flawless photo. Apart from the issue with the stronger jaw line as Peter mentioned.
The image at 32:26 the guy with the curly hair - I think the eyes were not in focus or as sharp as they should have been The image at 15:31 is probably the top one from this set, followed by the very first image critiqued. However, I would have tilted the head slightly more to the right, just to make the eyes and head parallel --- instead of with a slight slant / But very good session overall. Love listening to and seeing what Peter Hurley has to say or do. :)
Laughed a lot in this and learned. Bit. Thanks for sharing. You guys are pretty generous. I would have gave some lf those "3's" 1's otherwise agreed with Pete for most of comments.
YaBoiOof I came here to say the same thing. If I was him I would have felt embarrassed to give myself a 4 for that image. Such a weird arrogant looking smirk, the styling of the sweatshirt feels off and then all the other problems they pointed out...
I think it's more about getting the most out of a subject. And understanding the weaker points and stronger points of somebody's physics and try to minimize weaker points and emphasis stronger points. And eventually about putting a picture in your portfolio or not based upon the physics. I think the way it's mentioned is very leggit imho and by no means ment to be offensive to the subject or photogs.
I've done my research on the other videos with the squinch. I quite agree the photographer has a lot to do with posing and getting the best out of the model. =)
It definitely isn't the tog's fault. The criticism here seems to be that although you can photograph these people, they shouldn't be used as part of a portfolio, not that he expects them to correct these things in post.
I don't think you guys mentioned colors once. Watched a couple of "critiquing" videos from this channel and same thing. I agree with most being said but to me, 70% are details compared to colors and thats just totally ignored.
A lot of lives would be destroyed if you get sentimental in this field, know your work and effort and act accordingly. Use this as experience but keep your style, that's what divides you from the rest.
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I always learn the most from critique videos.
I have to agree with Peter on the headshot at 23:06. It would be a much better image if it weren't so over-processed. People are allowed to have pores and skin imperfections. It's what makes them look like real humans.
I agree too. Looks like plastic.
Instablaster...
Yes, the best retouching leaves pores but makes more beautiful transitions between shadow and highlight areas and even their skintones. I think it looks unprofessional on women's headshots when the retoucher didn't make their neck match their face in skin tone. It's so easy to do but it's about having the eye to even see what you need to do.
Best 44 Minutes and 22 seconds you can spend, right here. So much to think about! Thanks guys!
I'm glad that little people can make it in this world, way to go wee man.
Then you randomly watch this video and one of your photos is in it (a pretty bad one actually ahah) thanks a lot! You made me realize i was doing pretty much everything wrong ahah next time you're going to be looking at a better photo!
Mattia Ricci great attitude 👍. All of the images were better than a lot of people who comment. Keep up the good work.
I will never be able to look at faces again without critiquing their eyebrows... o.O
Loved this critique-insight ... just viewing it some 4+ years later .... hoping to see more of Peter in other critiques
Peter and Patrick, you guys rock. I get so inspired from the Critique's and just want to go out and shoot more. I shot a lot when I lived in San Diego, but now that I have moved back to the Midwest, I feel uninspired. You guys provide so much information and in a really fun way. Keep rock'n it!
Always great to hear from Peter Hurley, he's truly one of the greats. Hilarious how hung up he got on the eye brows.
With these critiques, I'd love to hear more detail on what would make your 4's into a 5. You're very helpful with the 2's and 3's but when you give a 4, you only ever have good things to say...If it's not a five, I'd love to hear detail on what's holding it back. Great work fstoppers team, as always.
Maine Mountain Media the way I understand 4, it means you nailed everything right from a technical aspect, a flawless image. To get five seems more like luck, like just everything was PERFECT at the moment you pressed your shutter. The best you’re gonna get is 4, the universe has to step in to get a 5. Lol
Love that you guys shows how you would crop the image in this episode. Great video.
Your forced perspective is absolutely top notch, it's like watching Frodo and Gandalf reviewing headshots. Seriously though, great video.
I couldn't stop watching this video. Meaning that I had to watch the whole thing. Like when you "can't put a book down."
I happen to like portrait making, particularly what I call "candid portraits", which Mr. Hurley gets by drawing out a subject, while I have to wait and hope to get one as it happens with my fast reflexes. I have learned a lot aout tricking the subject. I have learned a lot about what to watch out for. I have seen Mr. Hurley before online as well.
I enjoyed fStoppers here. I don't know who the moderator is, but I think you look better in the portrait you put up, than you would with the full beard. Just my unbiased and un-asked for opinion.
Most helpful, honest, and non "Hurley promotional video" video appearance of Hurley that I've seen since the Art of the Headshot which I own.
He is a CAM. compulsive acronym maker
LMAO!
Omg this is the nest critique ever... Peter Hurley is brutal in a good way and Hilarious. I laughed so hard and learned so much. Thanks
It's crazy how much I agree with their critiques! I am and Actor in Salt Lake city that shoots headshots. I speak "actor" which helps with the "Expressions". So much of what Peter, whom I recently discovered his videos, I do instinctively and because of my acting Experience. I am Going to soak in everything you guys do!
Hahaha loved Peter Hurley laying into the overly retouched photo.
Some of these models will probably take Peters comments as a personal attack....nothing could be further from the truth...he is critiquing the photographers work...not the model. This video is AMAZING!! LOVE IT! Thank you Fstoppers!!
Dear Patrick and Peter, If I was to come to a workshop with you both (in real life!!) - essentially this is what it is; I still think there is a very valuable learning experience to be had here. Your critiques are extremely important, like that of any professional. First, I would begin with what I think and then listen to what you both have to say. I like getting critiqued on my opinion, re subject, up against you real professionals.... and not the other way around. I can duplicate every tutorial out there but if I do nothing on my account I am still nothing!!!
Fstoppers videos are getting better and better
I'm trying hard to like Patrick. I'm failing. I'm very grateful for his work ethic and the fstoppers community, and he comes across well sometimes. He kills me with his misplaced arrogance in these critique episodes though. The best headshot guy in the world wants to give an image a 5 that Patrick barely rates a 3? I've seen your work Patrick.
I agree, trying on my end but his personality is tough to like. The big difference is that Peter is offering critique, and Patrick is just pointing out everything that might be wrong. hopefully he'll become humble, and then I'll watch videos with him in it. plus patrick just takes shots of him playing air guitar...
I stopped the video at 3:58 because I had to look at the comments and make sure others felt like me.
I love this critique.peter is a world-class
peter hurley and fstoppers ...your work is amazing.
thanks for inspiring!!
Great teaching video.
I'm sure others noticed when Patrick or Peter were giving a 1/2 rating, Patrick always rounds down and Peter always rounds up. That says something to me.
Man...don’t watch this while editing your own client photos...confidence check!!😂
so agree...looking through my headshots ...can find almost zero good ones by this criteria!
Man I wish I knew about this. Peter has been pivotal in my photography skills. I would love for him to critique what I've done.
With most people viewing on mobiles and not bothering to switch of landscape, It makes more sense to be in Portrait mode. I'm a desktop guy and prefer horizontal but have to accept the changes to how people view your photos.
Insightful video, with some funny commentary and banter.
How much does the type of usage impact the lighting/styling of a portrait? For example, would a website page have something that is Hi-Key and less contrasty than something used for social media?
Awesome content! I particularly like it when you guys post critiques up with professionals from different genres because it gives depth to the critiques. Plus, Peter Hurley is the shit. There's also that. Thanks guys! 👍🏻
Big heads come to mind. both of them.
I love these critique the community episodes! Please do more. I'd love to submit some of my work
The eyebrow part is killer! :D
LOL.@27:03 Peter: She is completely out to lunch, I don't even know what to do!!!! I hollered!!! LOL
so informative, totally a great lesson!
Peter's attention to detail with pupil size,...WOW
It's like watching a young Gandalf talk to Bilbo...
Interesting video 👍
Just ordered your book Peter, think you're a great teacher
His tutorial video "Peter Hurley: The Art behind the headshot" is amazing! Must-see to everyone who does headshots.
love this, thank you. Peter entertained as usual :-)
Too much of the conversation about the crops doesn't take into account that these are images with photographer's logos; they are like send-out photographs and, as such, will often be more radically cropped than the same image as delivered to the client or in the portfolio. Peter Hurley is pretty much always spot-on: basing critique on his own preferences but still being open (and honest) to the choices the photographers have made.
That was the first thing I thought at 3:15 when his main criticism of the Shallaw Muller photo was the wide crop. This was supposed to be critiques of the photographs and the photographers who shot them. The photo was obviously an advertisement cropped that way by a graphic designer, most likely to fit a particular space (probably at the top or bottom of a website). The photographer in this case had nothing to do with the cropping. So the critique of the size and cropping was pointless. Hurley had good things to say about the photo itself and the photographer. That's all they should have based their critique on. Then when they went to the next one, Peter claims that he tries to consider the genre of the image, yet he obviously did not consider that on the prior image.
@@fluidmindorg you are assuming. we dont know that unless we research and prove it about that photo. its just best not to assume the use of the photo as a fact.
I think I learned more from this one and Peter Hurley than the others
I love the way these guys suck up too each others work,,, even when its a average picture (Patricks pic in particular)
This was great
On Peter’s headshot (85mm 1.8), is there a filter used (i.e warming)?
OMG! PH Is the king of snaps. Love it!
This is good. It has helped me a lot. Thank you.
What a great critique on headshots. Somehow I wish I could get a critique on my images, but at the same time I would be shit scared. 🙈😁
Peter I have not laughed so much at a critique in a long time. Harsh reviews but once you explained it all made sense. Quote of the ep "She is 'Blank'".
All in all, insightful episode.
Very useful, thanks!
It's like looking at Flickr 10 years ago.
Peter's reaction is what I expected Pye's reaction to be when you guys were critiquing wedding photos! Awesome! "One! One, one, one. ONE! AND THE BROW!" Hahaha!
Love this vid. Not sure about the brow critique though. Looks like the photographer was a bit to keen with the Liquify filter and the brow was the upshot of it.
So weird. I shit you not. I was listening to an old froknows podcast today with peter in it and was thinking to myself man I wish fstoppers would have him on for a critique. Great minds think alike. Shabang!
the hair on the next one Peter didn't mind but he noticed that little light hole on the other one? You cray, Peter. LOL
"I could pull a five out of you.." haha that's gold.
I soooo agree with Peter @ 23:25. I swear to god, I hate these types of edits.
Will you guys be doing this again?
love the grade on this video how did you grade ,,,....if you don't mind me asking thanks i love ya guys keep up the great work...
It's just straight out of camera; shot on a pair of Nikon d750s in the vivid camera profile
thanks
I give the Peter image 2.5 or a 3.
+jethpub I have been shooting since 1982 and I was educated at the Art Center College of Design Pasadena and I have have shot tons of editorial work. Think photography is subjective. There is not a right and wrong way with eye pupils. For me I know I like to get highlights in the eye area. Remember these guys are out to sell there programs and classes. I agree with some of there ideas but not all of them. For me a plain head shot on a plain background is boring but I will shoot them if a client wants it.
+dphotos I have a Phd in Brad Pitt photography, am the grandson of Mr. Nixon and I disagree with you.
+Luke McShane glad you disagree with me. You are allowed your opinion. His view is just his opinion and there is no right way and wrong way. I was shooting when he was working as a model. He found his niche in the photo business and he is a good salesman. Fstoppers is about selling their products. If I was good at selling like that I would do the same. That is not my niche. I agree with some of the things he's says but not everything..
dphotos It's not that I really disagree with you, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I'm no way near knowledgeable enough on this subject to hold an informed opinion.
I was simply humoring myself and playfully mocking your opening sentence to your original comment
+dphotos No Shit!! The handsome model right after Peter's is nearly perfect. The lighting is perfect.
This is quality entertainment! 🤣 5/5
Peter did this with Scott Kelby at The Grid Show: "I've never done this"?!!!
I think he meant our critique. He clearly has given critiques before
+M Potter I never did it with Fstoppers. Wasn't sure how it worked and Patrick had to do a ton of explaining. Sorry for the confusion there.
+Peter Hurley The guy at 32:50... don't you think his eyes are out of focus?
You're a wonderful human, Peter. You always have fun; which transfers to us having fun. Learning occurs when one is more engaged.
I agreed with everything that was said on these images. The first "beauty" shot with the arm and hand draped over her head and nails...one of the first things I noticed, was that her foundation didn't match the rest of her skin tones. That's a pet peeve of mine.
That's a pet peeve of mine too. It looks more professional to make the face skin tone to match the neck skin tone, shoulders and arms.
Ok, so my take on the image at 15.32: if the light in the model's left eye (as looking at the image, but actually his right eye) was adjusted to match the right eye, it would be an almost flawless photo. Apart from the issue with the stronger jaw line as Peter mentioned.
I think the plastic "1" with the hair up may be the only existing portrait of Siri.
Great critique!
How much to join the Head shot crew?
The image at 32:26 the guy with the curly hair - I think the eyes were not in focus or as sharp as they should have been
The image at 15:31 is probably the top one from this set, followed by the very first image critiqued. However, I would have tilted the head slightly more to the right, just to make the eyes and head parallel --- instead of with a slight slant /
But very good session overall. Love listening to and seeing what Peter Hurley has to say or do. :)
Had to comment twice.. Hurley's acronyms are killing' it. Keeps me rotfl.
I give the left eyebrow a 0.5 and the right a 5, LOL
Whats "the kick"?
the guy after the brow lady was just perfect timing - lol
I’m commenting very belatedly here, but I have always found Peter to be a very positive, self-effacing bloke.
is the critique still open for new pics?
Laughed a lot in this and learned. Bit. Thanks for sharing. You guys are pretty generous. I would have gave some lf those "3's" 1's otherwise agreed with Pete for most of comments.
"It's taking up some Real Estate." lol
OMG, I love Peter H. - He was saying everything I was thinking...I couldn't stop grinning with his comments.
You are so brutal on the model lmao. You know the models are going to see this.
Really interesting...but why no comments on white balance? There were a few I felt weren't quite right.
Peter's headshot certainly was a 3 at best. Don't be scared to roast the "professionals" when their work isn't up to par sometimes
YaBoiOof I came here to say the same thing. If I was him I would have felt embarrassed to give myself a 4 for that image. Such a weird arrogant looking smirk, the styling of the sweatshirt feels off and then all the other problems they pointed out...
I Love the critiquing videos. Where do I have to send or post a picture to get in?
How about doing a vote for comments on photos it might be interesting.
Peter did great job in Hellboy.
Very usefull
Most of the bigger guys critiques are about the physical attributes of the model. I don't think its the photographers fault.
I think it's more about getting the most out of a subject. And understanding the weaker points and stronger points of somebody's physics and try to minimize weaker points and emphasis stronger points. And eventually about putting a picture in your portfolio or not based upon the physics. I think the way it's mentioned is very leggit imho and by no means ment to be offensive to the subject or photogs.
I've done my research on the other videos with the squinch. I quite agree the photographer has a lot to do with posing and getting the best out of the model. =)
It definitely isn't the tog's fault. The criticism here seems to be that although you can photograph these people, they shouldn't be used as part of a portfolio, not that he expects them to correct these things in post.
The picture at 32min looks very distorted - or is it just me?
What's it got to do with whether someone is good looking or not?
How tall are you guy's or is there some video manipulation?
The little hairy man is so forgiving of all hair quirks. He is a man of the the fur people. haha
14:22 what does he mean by "the kick's too hot I don't kick that hard anymore"?
He’s talking about the “kick light” on the right side of the image is too bright
At 3:26 Patrick, I know that’s you!!! Stop playing lol
maybe that picture of the lady with the hand this could be a nail shot
Oh ok I was just trying to help her, lol
Who is the photographer of the photo at 15:31? +Fstoppers
found it on your website...
Very useful. SULS...
15:35 YOU GAVE IT A 3?? What a JOKE at least 4 probably a 5. Far Better than Hurley's Own Image.
Hello rottie guy
Shebang! Love it man.
I don't think you guys mentioned colors once. Watched a couple of "critiquing" videos from this channel and same thing. I agree with most being said but to me, 70% are details compared to colors and thats just totally ignored.
I liked some of the artistic ones, but what do I know.
A lot of lives would be destroyed if you get sentimental in this field, know your work and effort and act accordingly. Use this as experience but keep your style, that's what divides you from the rest.