It’s just crazy to me because, and I speak for all of the UK here, we love Idris Elba. HIM BEING JAMES BOND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SKIN BEING A DIFFERENT COLOUR TO THE OTHER JAMES BONDS. He’s been a potential James Bond for ages, like Tom Hardy has or like Michael Fassbender has. IT IS NOTHING DO WITH HIM BEING BLACK. It’s do to with him fitting the role.
Lets be honest, Idris Elba would fucking kill it as James Bond. I guess people are just resistant to change. If he can kill the role better than any other actor (whatever race they may be) and happens to be black, why not??
He would have maybe ten years ago. He’s too old now. If we are getting a new Bond they should start in the 30-35 range unless they do a film about the end of his career or something.
@@shr3y872 yeah but Craig is done and he started in his 30s which is what I’m saying. Elba looks exactly his age so I don’t know what you’re talking about there.
You really missed the point 🤦 the character Bond is part of British culture and he was created to be a Scottish man recasting him as an African is culture appropriation
@@jefferyjohnson7863 Yeah if it was a African james bond with a Scottish that accent would not make any sense. To the story or the lore of the character.
He's a bit old though. Isn't he? In his 50s? I always liked cillian Murphy for the role. From peaky blinders. I have no issue with Idris though. I do think a female James bond is kinda a bad idea though. I thought the last movies did a good job potraying violent masculinity and the misery it causes. And I think toxic or not, that kind of masculinity is kinda at the core of the franchise like it or not.
@@mystery_wu you seen peaky blinders?? He's a pretty good badass spy in that show. Like really good. He's definitely a good enough actor. But yeah, maybe the more smooth womanizing part wouldn't come as easily. He's more of a calculated badass in peaky blinders than that.
accept for the fact that he is an African and Bond was created as a Scottish character you people would be screaming cultural appropriation if it was the other way around
I dont think Crowder has ever seen a bond film. There's been Black Agents before. Also Bond doesn't go to Russia and pretend to be Russian, he doesn't have a secret identity. HIS MOST FAMOUS LINE IS LITTERALLY TELLING PEOPLE EXACTLY WHO HE IS LMAO
"I don't think crowder has ever seen a Bond film. There has been black agents before" What do you mean by the 2nd part? Black agents before? Are you referring to the bond movies? I don't think bond has been black before? Or are you literally talking about black agents in reality?
Even if you're just as racist as Crowder, you logically can't agree with half of his arguments because: - James Bond has gone to Africa as a pasty white guy - Idris Elba is British yet they keep referring to him as African American, which invalidates half of the criticisms they have towards this
@@goth2415 James Bond only needs to be a Man, Suave, and British. Idris Elba is all of those. If you're gonna play race into it despite England having a decent black population, then you're just racist, sorry. No logic explanation besides that
@@Maxisamo1 007 has been white since his creation, there have been other black agents, if Idris wants to play one of them make him his own agent and backstory and lore instead of piggy backing off of white created movies and lore seems extremely lazy to me just like any other gender/race switched movie or tv show, people wouldnt like it if chris pratt did black panther 2 as a new black panther
@@lr650 yes Idris fits a agent very well that is not the issue bond however 007 has been while since its creation, it's a title call him 009 and have him be friends with bond or work at the same agency and I dont approve of white people taking POC roles in the slightest either its lazy and sad both ways Idris is an amazing actor and would fit character in the 007 universe as he has before in movies there just no reason for him to be the new "bond" have the movie but have Idris be a new unique well written character to make even more movies based on Idris's character
@@Maxisamo1 he was written as a white british man. absolutely no reason to recast him and race swap in the name of social justice. craig said if best himself that there should be better roles written for women and actors of color.
I'm not saying that Crowder is racist but the way he talks about anything relating to minorities with such disdain is alarming. The black stereotype jokes from the 90s were cringe.
He is though. What you just explained is racism. Why are you afraid of saying it? He is and I can safely assume 80% or more of his fans are too, otherwise they wouldnt be defending him over this
@@mariafoivi3599 it's likely he is racist but I don't like to label people as that unless it's 100% certain. He could just be a flat out moron. But yeah he probably is racist
@@hotman718 I get what you are saying but with things like this there is no room to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Its not that he said 1 thing that could get misunderstood as racism, he has repeatedly shown discrimination towards minorities. You should have a critical eye 100% and wait before you make accusations, but in this case its clear as day
My casting criteria for James Bond is a cool, suave British actor who who looks great in a suit, can kick ass onscreen in fight scenes, and charm the clothing off women. I don’t give a shit what color the actor is. Idris Elba checks all of those boxes better than any actor currently working that I can think of. I don’t need Bond to be black, I just genuinely believe he’s best for the role. And Bond has already been played by an Australian and an Irishman, so the actor being demographically true to the book character has been out the window for decades anyway.
@@CreamCobblerFiend What? James Bond is a literal fictional spy. This isn’t a case of stealing cultural identity. He isn’t a historical figure. Sure, maybe you could make that argument if there were talks of casting a black Winston Churchill for example, but in the context of James Bond that makes no sense. And as a British person myself I know that my country has stole so much cultural aspects from our ex-colonies. A lot of which are seen as uniquely British and not associated at all with their original origins. It would be utterly hypocritical for anyone here to complain that someone’s stealing our “cultural identity.”
@@CreamCobblerFiend Not to mention Idris Elba’s parents are Sierra Leonan and Ghanaian which are 2 of our ex-colonies in Africa. His roots are so closely linked to Britain and its former empire. These nations were exploited by us and still suffer the effects that our colonisation brought on them to this day. So please educate yourself before making such a silly remark.
@@Nildread Cultures are partially defined by storytelling traditions and folklore, which I think James may fit into. I think we both know that your counterpoint was intentionally hyper-deconstructed and misconstrued because you want to avoid addressing this head on.
I don’t know why people get so stressed at the idea of a black James Bond. Yeah sure he wasn’t black in the books but who really cares, if it really bothers you then you should be asking yourself why it bothers you
@@casper5379 Spider-Man has been played by a British person. Brad Pitt has portrayed an Irish traveller. Christian Bale has played Batman. But all of a sudden when it comes to a black man playing a character it’s a big deal? It has zero impact on your life if James Bond is black or white, nobody is forcing you to watch it. It can only be good that such an iconic character is now able to be relatable to a whole new group of people and gives people of other backgrounds to find joy and inspiration in that character
@@AtomicMushroomz have you been around tbe last few months? You know exactly what I'm talking ab. Even yt deletes my comment..betchu if I was talking shit ab whites it would still be on here
James Bond is a specific person though. 007 and James Bind don’t automatically coincide. 007 is the number given to the character James Bond. So he either has to have a different name or has to be white. Can’t have both. He’s still 007 though
Hm, you may be right but I don’t think it’s been really confirmed. In my opinion I can see 007 being a title or code name that can be given to anyone. If they remade this franchise then I could totally see Edris Elba killing it. I feel like Daniel craig said it best in a recent interview that got blown out of proportion.
@@zimxl5943 He probably will kill it in the role it’s just the switch seems like it’s just pandering due to all the race politics in recent years. There’s nothing wrong with Edris Elba, he’s a great actor. I just don’t want to see politics when I’m just going to the movies to have a good time
And Idris Elba, or any other black guy playing James Bond, would be English. Mocking African American stereotypes while talking about English actors is laughable.
As a general note. At 3:30 ish chowder does not say he thinks there are to many black action genre actors or hero’s, he states that they are well represented in that field. As a general note of what was actual said. Don’t twist his words regardless of the truth.
Exactly what I thought. Ethan interpreted that in his own way and twisted his words. It would’ve been different if Steven said something like “there’s already enough black action hero’s”
He never provides examples though. Also, Crowder comes to the assumption that somehow people think we *need* this. He's under the assumption that we think blacks aren't represented enough in that genre. How did he come to this assumption? Where does it come from?
@@abramslion1 crowder is the most unfunny person ever to do a comedy show. He claims to be a political expert and he ran away from Sam sedar (a voice actor/ comedian). What credibility does he have lol
I think you guys are taking his words completely out of context and he’s 100% right and both of you should have a discussion with him face to face if you feel some type of way
They would never have a face to face discussion with him. . Repeating words like racist over and over again is not usually a successful debate strategy when someone is actually there to respond.
They also pause the video every few second to make it appear as if his words are harsher than they actually are, they are so heated they can’t even evaluate it, I think Steven should have found another topic in a situation where a black person is being pushed in a role for the sole purpose that he is black, that why there should never be a narrative of “black James” bond or a black anything, but you already know everything single person who sees a black man playing the role of a person in a movie who has always been white, little people care about the change but I think it’s obvious in a lot of situation, they just want a black actor playing the whole for attention.
He was referring to an article that was listing off the reasons why “we need a black James Bond”. Granted I think his argument is dumb but stop avoiding context just cause you don’t like the guy.
wow now that i know the context everything is so much different thank you so much its so incredible how much this information has changed the lens through which i view this discussion
2 minutes in and literally all you got it "he is sooo racist!" and swearing like 5 year olds. Thank you for being so quick in making it super clear who's side to pick.
As a black man.. the funniest joke was about black people being late🤣 I literally burst out laughing.. these guys were literally acting like 5 year olds. Real clowns😂
Genuine question here, do Steve crowder fans just watch for any videos that talk negative about their golden god because whenever I find one either done by a big TH-camr or a small one with a lot of views on that specific video, they dislike bomb the shit out of it and then don't comment.
@@witchsick Honestly a part of me feels bad for those specific fans. I can even see where they come from. imagine having such hateful views and the world calling you wrong for them, constant feelings of hatred must be present often in a daily life like that and not leave you with many friends and people to talk to. Then some guy on the internet tells you that you're in the right and that the world is wrong. Must feel nice when someone tells you you're justified after everyone tells you you're wrong. And since these people don't have anyone else of course they spend all their time on the internet mass downvoting, they think Crowder is all they have to make themselves feel better. Honestly a lot of these Steven Crowder fans are people that are just afraid to change with is a shame cause its never too late to do that
@@Bob8-q2z couldn’t agree more, my younger self was definitely stuck in that mindset for longer than I’d like to admit. sadly, I think it might be a bit too late for a lot of them.
I haven’t seen Steven crowder and only seen him the first time on Ethan vs crowder talk about something political and Ethan act like snake lying to him multiple times that him and only him will have a debate about anything with crowder, then Ethan brought someone else debating for him, what a shitshow. „Prank“. Also Ethan Talking about anyone else how racist they sound is hypocritical, Ethan some real racist sounding stuff too that was made fun of in the past. I know Ethan is inherently not racist, but still it’s weird critizizing other persons appearing racist. Ethan going into politics is probably also a huge turn off for many fans, pretty sure, what I have been noticing over the recent change into half politics podcast. I don’t care, if he ethan said niggrfaggot, that clip makes me laugh out of cringe, how silent idubbbz got in that podcast.
Respect to Ethan and Hasan for bringing attention to this, how on earth did Crowder think this was acceptable? Idris would be a great Bond though, he's a brilliant actor and suave as hell. Being from the UK I'm pretty sure no-one over here would have any problem with him.
Yep. And what was also funny to me was that he couldn’t even get his STEREOTYPING RIGHT. He was mocking African-American stereotypes and doing an American accent. Look mate, if you’re gonna be racist at least pay attention to details 😂
@@ecwrvd420 An attribute of Shaft’s character in the first place is him being black. James Bond has nothing to do with race, only being English. Black English people exist. Why are you trying to bar them from playing a role? 😂
@@willjackson6522 wrong Ian Fleming referred to bond as white, with Scottish dissent, when he wrote the character. Listen in all honesty I don’t care I just find it funny that Ethan is crying about crowders opinion. As for my opinion I think if the writer intended a character to be a certain way you should respect it. I wouldn’t want shaft or black panther to be Asian. I wouldn’t want the drunken master to be white. It’s a matter of respecting art
Idris Elba was amazing in Luther, and you could definitely see him as bond. But obvs this guy has never seen luther and has never seen anything Idris has been in aside from probably thor lol
@@lr650 yeah, I mean it's a British show so I kind of understand that they haven't seen it, but they should at least do some research on him before mocking him
For someone who is so obsessed with Crowder and loves rebutting his opinions or information…he certainly runs like a little child when actually confronted, or forced to legitimately debate without the aide of others, etc. Crowder lives rent free in Ethan’s head. Whereas Crowder probably hasn’t thought about Ethan since the day Ethan sheepishly weaseled away from a debate that he originally agreed to. My how the mighty have fallen. If the Ethan of yesteryear still existed, he would have totally made a video about the Ethan of today. The joker has become the joke. But hey, I guess that’s what happens when you live and surround yourself with the ‘culturally superior elite’ of LA. AKA live within a bubble full of elitism. That’s chocked full of ‘make myself feel good/superior’ faux activism & faux intellectualism.
For someone who is so obsessed with debating lefties and loves rebutting left-wing opinions or information Crowder certainly runs like a little child when actually confronted, or forced to legitimately debate without the aide of selective editing and people other than college kids, etc. Sam Seder lives rent free in Crowders’s head. Whereas Sam probably hasn’t thought about Crowder since the day Crowder sheepishly weaseled away from a debate that he originally agreed to on Politicon. My how the mighty have fallen. If the Crowder of yesteryear still existed, he would have totally made a video about the Crowder of today. The joker has become the joke. But hey, I guess that’s what happens when you live and surround yourself with ‘right wing yes-men’. AKA live within a bubble full of elitism. That’s chocked full of ‘make myself feel good/superior’ faux populism & faux intellectualism.
@@spartanswhatisyourprofessi2825 You do know that segment purposely targets college students because most students are not politically knowledgeable enough to defend themselves. And they’re put on the spot without any preparation. Crowder wouldn’t dare debate with a well informed left winged individual such as Sam Seder which is why he continues to avoid him
@@bigchungus1644 yeah, that's their fault for not learning the subject and going up to crowder to debate, it's their choice. Plus colleges today spew nothing but garbage. College students should be smart enough to carry a conversation, but most can't manage that. Crowder is polite and he also does public segments outside of schools as well, such as the front of the White House, etc...
Objectively correct. Anyone can speak to him. If you're Sam Seder or Ethan who literally live off of bad faith, why should any moral, upstanding man speak to them on their terms?
This content was NEEDED. There is way too many conservative content filled with racism and MISINFORMATION out there. Finally there’s a show that calls their BS out in a satirical way! A1 CONTENT! 🔥👏🏼
@UCa19WhShz_WbP2bXa904GbA the way I understand things nowadays, black people are in a better position to adjudicate whether a thing is racist or not. Therefore according to such logic my opinion trumps yours...
How is this a thing!? How can ANYONE be this blatantly racist and claim not to be? Who would support these guys? It’s so funny how hypocritical these people are and yet they can’t comprehend how anyone can call them hypocrites. Steven crowder is a low key genius because he knows he can tap into a market of both open, and closeted racists. They act like it’s a big parody that they are doing it just to troll, but it’s not... it’s just really who they are.
This was probably tame and “just joking” for him, his mind is definitely even more fcked up which is so scary.. There’s no doubt a whole KKK meeting going on in the dude’s head 😬
I cannot believe that you people think that anyone who is Whyte talking about race is racism 🤦 James Bond is British Edris is an African no one wants to see it by your own standards its cultural appropriation
@@eyeonantiwhiteism3761 You misunderstand why we are saying he is being racist. It isn't about the fat that he doesn't want a black Bond. It's more about the obvious racist stereotypes that he decides to use. It really doesn't take a genius to piece together Crowder's content and understand how the man thinks about non whites.
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You guys take all of this out of context. I agree he took it a little far. But he is pointing out the problem in America that race is brought into everything when it doesn’t need to.
Welp didn’t like this show at first, but I find it kind of funny. Don’t agree with hasan or ethans ideals but I think we can all agree there’s absolutely nothing wrong with a black James Bond. And I think Idris Elba will fit this role perfectly. They’re spot on….Bond is BRITISH not AMERICAN. This would be like getting upset with Miles Morales being Spider-Man or Sam being Captain America.
Steven is just pointing out the interjection of race into everything nowadays. Its a competition among whites to be racist enough to be steven crowder? Seiously? Who's the racist here?
@@braydenmorton5309 No, he chose not to debate him. Big difference. If he accepted every challenge, there’d be no end to it. We’re not talking about ten to fifteen minutes of Change My Mind here, having someone on the show takes a lot of planning and half an hour or more for the actual discussion. Sam Seder has a fraction of his viewership and a reputation for being dishonest and disingenuous. He probably thought Seder wasn’t worth his time, and Seder only lived up to his reputation with that stunt. As for only taking arguments he knows he can win, Crowder sure didn’t hesitate to take on (and humiliate) that Rolling Stone writer the other day. That wasn’t some random college kid or something Crowder planned, he came to Crowder. He also brings people on the show with opposing viewpoints all the time.
I'm British and Idris Elba would be an amazing James bond. I don't like the James bond films but I'd probably be more likely to watch it if Idris was bond. Hes amazing.
@@sablemae8853 TH-cam search “Ethan Klein being a racist and hypocrite” please go watch that video and come back here to defend that, you’re probably going to say it’s comedy.
@@TheVolume1 difference is he has apologised and made an active effort to make up for his mistake. He recognizes them as wrong and has condemned the fact that he has done things like this. This however is pure promotion of white supremacy and it's not ok one fucking bit.
I don’t think it was the whole fact of OMG ITS A BLACK JAMES BOND I think it’s more the fact that ppl where saying…it’s time for a black James Bond whilst, also saying it shouldn’t matter about the skin tone of the actor…it just seems a bit hypothetical tbh
Yall are missing the point. And it's not racist, what's racist is taking an already written character and changing their race just to appease a crowd that is OBSESSED with race
These guys misinterpret and twist Crowders words at every opportunity. Now it makes sense why H3 declined to have a 1 on 1 debate with Crowder when they had the chance. They have no legitimate arguments
Ahh the typical democrat move of dismissing problems people have with companies replacing characters with black actors just for the sake of scoring some woke points as “racism”
I'm trying really hard to watch this but it seems that their only argument is that everyone that they don't like is racist and everything they say is racist therefore they are wrong. I am yet to see a logical counterargument, please drop a time stamp if you find one
it cuz steven is losing his shit over something that isnt that serious. wow a black james bond so the fuck what? its not like hes based on a historical figure th-cam.com/video/MEPzARJzou4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/VLCG8v0A-Is/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/ji-we-co95Y/w-d-xo.html
Buddy, the point is is that.... there's no problem. What's the issue with a black James bond? What does skin color have to do with James bond? As long as he fits the role and is british then It's James Bond. Also yes what Crowder is saying is racist dude literally is doing black stereotypes as a joke how is that not racist to you?
@@dylanschmeichel2008 My problem with it as an actual black guy who lives in England is that..it’s a terrible idea. James Bond, in my mind, is a representation of white English upper class stereotypes. I am fine with that, I think representation matters for everyone including ethnic majorities. Instead of race-bending an established character why not just invest in more movies starring black people as lead actors? It seems to me that the message being sent out is that black people can only succeed when we are included in something that’s originally white. I don’t like that message, personally, and I can see why you a white guy, probably, don’t have a problem with it because you don’t care about the message being sent out. Also, it doesn’t really make sense to have a black James Bond given the actual ethnic makeup of England. South East Asians far outnumber people of African descent by a large margin. I think about 5% of the population of England are Asians while only like 1-1.5% of the population African. If James Bond is to be a minority then why doesn’t it seem that the biggest minority group aren’t in the conversation? Because it’s not about being genuine, it’s about further stigmatising black people as dependent and pissing people off at the same time. I hope James Bond isn’t a black guy, I truly do. If it has to be a minority, for whatever reason, then it should be an Asian guy first.
I first became aware of Idris Elba in early 2000s watching him on The Wire as Stringer Bell. He is an absolutely amazing actor, and certainly has what it takes to play James Bond, and more, as he has proven many times over. Not sure who said "WE NEED" a black James Bond crowder, but he would be a great James Bond, objectively speaking.... who fucking cares if he is black, like seriously... fuckin slow news day crowder?
This is what americans dont seem to get about british media, Idris Elba would totally be a great bond, we care only about how the character is played. Whether rowan atkinson was black or white, as long as its played how atkinson played it, Johnny English would still be brilliant.
Remember that clip of you saying the N word over and over and over again Ethan? And Hassan so you condone Ethan saying the N word and laughing about it?
The thing is Hollywood keeps repackaging white stories with black actors and act like it's a new story. When we talk about diversity in Hollywood it means having more black/brown folks being stared in movies/tv shows that tell black/brown stories. I haven't watched watched the last 2 James Bond movies, and I won't watch the next one just because he's black, it's because we've seen this movie before. I'm aware this is a shameless rant.
It is shameless! People having a skin color is not a political statement. Black people existing and, well, acting is not some diversity quota agenda of Hollywood. Bruh, they’re people. Black actors, like white actors, are allowed to play any characters they want. They’re not obligated to tell “black/brown stories”. I don’t even know wtf “white stories” is. Do you mean like Irish or German stories? People who were not even considered white until like the 60s? Idris never even auditioned for the role, he was merely considered for it at one point. That was all it took for people like Crowder to lose their minds over it. That’s disgusting.
You know there is a reason that, in the lore, they usually give only numbers or letters to their agents/handlers (even though some may be known throughout the organization as they racked up quite the fame). It is because they are not tied to persons directly, but the individuals who can carry out those skills (maybe with a few exceptions here and there). James Bond or 007 can be anyone as long as he has the capabilities of a 00 Agent.
If holly wood ever makes James Bond “Woke” - they have failed us. No matter what happens socially. James Bond needs to be the smartest person in every room- even if the other people are Native American. Black. Females. He’s always got to be the smartest. And females cannot resist him no matter what. He gets the P.
Legit he's mouthing off about there being too many African American action heroes, for a British film. He's just using it as a platform to winge about his opinions
I dont care either way, I just wanna know if you're consistent because I remember the left being pissed off over the same thing ...What if they remade Friday but Craig was white guy? If a straight guy played a gay guy in a movie would you be mad?
This is the funniest video I've seen in a while. Steven Crowder is the OG and the fact that this guy thinks he is really racist and not just a comedian is kinda funny.
The problem with Crowder is that he's comparing US cinema to UK cinema. There are many black British actors who aren't that represented in British film as much as they could be. He sees through a US-centric lens which is where his argument falls flat. There may be a few black American action stars, but not so much black British action stars
Steven Crowder has never seen James Bond apparently. He’s not an undercover agents. All the villains know who he is and what he looks like. That’s the point. They send James Bond to intimidate the enemy.
I had to read this a second time. I though you were saying H3 podcast highlights just want the likes lol. I was about to agree. The same is true for both I’m sure.
James Bond is a classic part of British culture but you want to recast him as an African man ? if this was the other way round you same people would be screaming cultural appropriation. Lets do a Black panther played by Chris pratt
"why do you need a black james bond" BRUH why do you need for there NOT to be a black james bond?? the question of "need" isn't relevant. you're the one getting emotional in defense of there only ever being white james bonds. remind me again who's injecting race into unnecessary situations?
Why refreshing? I'd say it would be more refreshing if a character and movie franchise was started from scratch and focused on a black guy rather than just a recast
@@manbearpig3231 lol. I know what your trying to do here mr or mrs woke whatever you feel today but I was just stating an opinion and didn't go to deep on it. SMH
I dont think he was being racist there. He's just saying we worry to much about race and try to bring it into focus when its really not a big deal. Ethan loves calling everybody racist. Blah blah blah. If you dont line up politically with someone theyre racist...taking away meaning from the word man
@@ipolarisi2381 yes because that’s whose getting upset by a character being a different race because they see it as a personal slight since they adore bond
@@elorarose3533 I don’t see anything wrong with people wanting a character to stay true to who they were originally indented to be. Whereas people like you feel attacked and claim they are racist just because they want something a specific way that you don’t care about
lol i love that hes the type of guy to REALLY care about nationality, until hes making a point about wokeness and then suddenly he cant be bothered to make a distinction between english and american.
I mean, I don't care of they continue the bond story and they bring in a new agent to be 007 and he's black. Whatever, that's completely possible in the story line. But if they are going to go back and completely remake the bond movies with a black bond then that's pretty fucked. The same way they remade Annie and made he black. That was weird.
I wonder how Steven would react to finding out that not only did Ian Fleming write all of the James Bond novels in Jamaica ( a predominantly black former British colony) but that majority of the first movie took place there. 🤔
He wouldn’t give two rats’ asses. But you think he would be triggered because you watch these two knuckleheads paint him as this big white supremacist.
Not racist for black people to have their own TV network BET network. Imagine a WET white entertainment television, people would lose it. We almost had a white television network with PGA gold but then Tiger messed that jk lol
The issue steven is trying to point out is why? These guys provide the answer, its so people can jump on board for no other reason than to tout how unrasicst they are to seem like good people. Have you ever thought about how easy it is to not be racist, and they act like they are heros for doing the bare minimum. The issue wasn't with a black James Bond, the issue is that people like this think they are superior than someone who understands that this is the bare minimum. Enough so that they are comfortable making jokes.
I think any man should be able to play James Bond but I think any gender should play 007, just as the woman showed in the new movie she was great and hopefully we get more of her
Like nobody is saying they need a black James bond. Needs and wants are different. As your parents may have taught you. I don't know how it wouldn't be cool to see a black James bond though... like as a fan of bond from Sean Connery I think it would be pretty historic to see. Not to mention it's not like the actor doesn't change every X amount of movies 007 and James Bond have been made out to be the placeholder name of the agent who is assigned 007. There's nothing in the story that would make it impossible for him to be black, so why not?
He doesn't even articulates what would be so wrong about it, but instead says that there are plenty of other things for black people in general to star in other than James bond. Without actually explaining why it would actually be so wrong, is an issue, or why fans wouldn't like it. The entire argument centers around his false perception that people NEED a black James bond, where people really just seem interested a black James bond and in turn want it.
Like he clearly wants a white James bond, but never states he needs a white James bond. I don't think anybody has said they need a black James bond either. Like people want a black Bond Crowder wants a white bond (he doesn't really articulate why he does want a white bond or has a problem with the idea in general, but he does try to tear down some ill-informed notion of what the left need over want.
@@gonzolonzo1383 I want a white black panther. I want Nick fury to be played by a white guy again. I think they should make an autobiography about Malcolm x and have Martin Short playing him. It would be groundbreaking to see race reversals like these....
@@Iserate Good job completely misrepresenting the arguement here. Having a black actor for James Bond is completely different than replacing all of the races for the characters you just mentioned because they are either 1. Real people whose race should stay the same for historical accuracy or 2. Already established characters with actors that don't switch out like James Bond. Just shut up.
@@visualsforyou7120 LOL I make a good point and all you can say is shut up. Anne Boleyn played by Jodie Turner-Smith? There goes "1". And Nick Fury in the Movie "Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D." was played by a white actor. Why is it only a one way street? Brave and stunning one way but racist the other? I think its all acting and doesn't really matter.
I feel like I'd be more mad if Chris pratt played James bond than Idris Elba
but, he’s so cool
I mean Pratt is american lol
Or Ryan Reynolds.
Why would Chris Pratt be a James Bond..
@@joe645733 why would Idris Elba be?
It’s just crazy to me because, and I speak for all of the UK here, we love Idris Elba. HIM BEING JAMES BOND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SKIN BEING A DIFFERENT COLOUR TO THE OTHER JAMES BONDS. He’s been a potential James Bond for ages, like Tom Hardy has or like Michael Fassbender has. IT IS NOTHING DO WITH HIM BEING BLACK. It’s do to with him fitting the role.
If Hes such a good actor how come we never hear of him
He’s never been relevant until right now
@@tony_5156 im american and known ab him for a long time hes a huge actor
@@tony_5156 shut up Idris Elba's been a household name for a while now
@@tony_5156 pretty sure only you who has never heard of him, he's big in the UK
@@tony_5156 Who "we"? Idris Elba is a very famous British actor. YOU probably haven't heard of him. The rest of us have.
tbh, i think Idris Elba would be a great James Bond
How about no
He would be perfect
Jason Statham for Blade x
@@casper5379
Just say you hate black people and leave
@@kingofthebis1068 What? x
Lets be honest, Idris Elba would fucking kill it as James Bond. I guess people are just resistant to change. If he can kill the role better than any other actor (whatever race they may be) and happens to be black, why not??
He’d be great as 007
I feel he'll be a really great Bond. I hope they picked him for his brilliant acting skills and not just cuz they "wanted to be woke"
He would have maybe ten years ago. He’s too old now. If we are getting a new Bond they should start in the 30-35 range unless they do a film about the end of his career or something.
@@essaywhu he’s younger than Daniel Craig and looks way younger than 50
@@shr3y872 yeah but Craig is done and he started in his 30s which is what I’m saying. Elba looks exactly his age so I don’t know what you’re talking about there.
No one tell him that Halle Berry was a Bond girl
They don't care about the women, they're just accessories in the Bond movies anyway
who ? sam or Ethan
You really missed the point 🤦 the character Bond is part of British culture and he was created to be a Scottish man recasting him as an African is culture appropriation
@@jefferyjohnson7863 Yeah if it was a African james bond with a Scottish that accent would not make any sense. To the story or the lore of the character.
James Bond is a bond girl tho the character is a native Scottish brit and Edris is an African this is cultural appropriation
Idris Elba would kick ass as Bond!
Yuhhh. Or Chiwetel Ejiofor, he’s such a good actor. Reckon he’d make a VERY good Bond.
@@willjackson6522 Yeah that's a shout
exactly
Bro your avatar is killing me
James Bond is British Edris is an African
People have been talking about Idris as Bond for years, he’s perfect for the role.
He's a bit old though. Isn't he? In his 50s?
I always liked cillian Murphy for the role. From peaky blinders. I have no issue with Idris though.
I do think a female James bond is kinda a bad idea though. I thought the last movies did a good job potraying violent masculinity and the misery it causes. And I think toxic or not, that kind of masculinity is kinda at the core of the franchise like it or not.
@@ImTheMan0fSteel Murphy would bring the character completely somewhere new, I don't know if he fits as a traditional Bond.
@@mystery_wu you seen peaky blinders??
He's a pretty good badass spy in that show. Like really good. He's definitely a good enough actor.
But yeah, maybe the more smooth womanizing part wouldn't come as easily. He's more of a calculated badass in peaky blinders than that.
accept for the fact that he is an African and Bond was created as a Scottish character you people would be screaming cultural appropriation if it was the other way around
@@jefferyjohnson7863 "accept for the fact"... lol
I dont think Crowder has ever seen a bond film. There's been Black Agents before. Also Bond doesn't go to Russia and pretend to be Russian, he doesn't have a secret identity. HIS MOST FAMOUS LINE IS LITTERALLY TELLING PEOPLE EXACTLY WHO HE IS LMAO
"I don't think crowder has ever seen a Bond film. There has been black agents before"
What do you mean by the 2nd part? Black agents before? Are you referring to the bond movies? I don't think bond has been black before? Or are you literally talking about black agents in reality?
He does put on uniforms of Russian agents to infiltrate a nuclear base. Have you watched a bond film?
@@Deanhughes5707 Bond isn’t the only agent, there have been black mi6 and 00 agents before.
@@lukewarmape603 and literally no one contests that,it's just about James bond lol
@@sebastianpizxa1553 you’ve not seen the new film, have you?
as long as he still treats women like objects then i dont see a problem with black james bond
Honestly I could never get into bond because of that. I hate movies that leave that kinda shit unexamined.
Jason Statham for Blade x
@@casper5379
Ew
That cracked me up because that’s exactly why I don’t like James Bond.
Is this an issue with James Bond movies? I’ve never seen one so I don’t know
Even if you're just as racist as Crowder, you logically can't agree with half of his arguments because:
- James Bond has gone to Africa as a pasty white guy
- Idris Elba is British yet they keep referring to him as African American, which invalidates half of the criticisms they have towards this
That's your best reasons you can't agree? I wonder what your definition of racism is, probably includes a lot lol
@@goth2415 James Bond only needs to be a Man, Suave, and British.
Idris Elba is all of those. If you're gonna play race into it despite England having a decent black population, then you're just racist, sorry. No logic explanation besides that
@@Maxisamo1 007 has been white since his creation, there have been other black agents, if Idris wants to play one of them make him his own agent and backstory and lore instead of piggy backing off of white created movies and lore seems extremely lazy to me just like any other gender/race switched movie or tv show, people wouldnt like it if chris pratt did black panther 2 as a new black panther
@@lr650 yes Idris fits a agent very well that is not the issue bond however 007 has been while since its creation, it's a title call him 009 and have him be friends with bond or work at the same agency and I dont approve of white people taking POC roles in the slightest either its lazy and sad both ways Idris is an amazing actor and would fit character in the 007 universe as he has before in movies there just no reason for him to be the new "bond" have the movie but have Idris be a new unique well written character to make even more movies based on Idris's character
@@Maxisamo1 he was written as a white british man. absolutely no reason to recast him and race swap in the name of social justice. craig said if best himself that there should be better roles written for women and actors of color.
I'm not saying that Crowder is racist but the way he talks about anything relating to minorities with such disdain is alarming. The black stereotype jokes from the 90s were cringe.
It's safe to say he's racist with that context.
He's not just making jokes, those are his actual arguments.
He is though. What you just explained is racism. Why are you afraid of saying it? He is and I can safely assume 80% or more of his fans are too, otherwise they wouldnt be defending him over this
@@mariafoivi3599 it's likely he is racist but I don't like to label people as that unless it's 100% certain. He could just be a flat out moron. But yeah he probably is racist
@@hotman718 I get what you are saying but with things like this there is no room to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Its not that he said 1 thing that could get misunderstood as racism, he has repeatedly shown discrimination towards minorities. You should have a critical eye 100% and wait before you make accusations, but in this case its clear as day
My casting criteria for James Bond is a cool, suave British actor who who looks great in a suit, can kick ass onscreen in fight scenes, and charm the clothing off women. I don’t give a shit what color the actor is. Idris Elba checks all of those boxes better than any actor currently working that I can think of. I don’t need Bond to be black, I just genuinely believe he’s best for the role. And Bond has already been played by an Australian and an Irishman, so the actor being demographically true to the book character has been out the window for decades anyway.
Yes but it is a bit strange to suggest that ethnic Europeans have no right claim to their own cultural identity.
@@CreamCobblerFiend What? James Bond is a literal fictional spy. This isn’t a case of stealing cultural identity. He isn’t a historical figure. Sure, maybe you could make that argument if there were talks of casting a black Winston Churchill for example, but in the context of James Bond that makes no sense. And as a British person myself I know that my country has stole so much cultural aspects from our ex-colonies. A lot of which are seen as uniquely British and not associated at all with their original origins. It would be utterly hypocritical for anyone here to complain that someone’s stealing our “cultural identity.”
@@CreamCobblerFiend Not to mention Idris Elba’s parents are Sierra Leonan and Ghanaian which are 2 of our ex-colonies in Africa. His roots are so closely linked to Britain and its former empire. These nations were exploited by us and still suffer the effects that our colonisation brought on them to this day. So please educate yourself before making such a silly remark.
@@CreamCobblerFiend are there really people going around saying James Bond is their cultural identity?
@@Nildread Cultures are partially defined by storytelling traditions and folklore, which I think James may fit into. I think we both know that your counterpoint was intentionally hyper-deconstructed and misconstrued because you want to avoid addressing this head on.
I don’t know why people get so stressed at the idea of a black James Bond. Yeah sure he wasn’t black in the books but who really cares, if it really bothers you then you should be asking yourself why it bothers you
James Bond is white British x
@@L.ysergicSD like who?
@@casper5379 Spider-Man has been played by a British person. Brad Pitt has portrayed an Irish traveller. Christian Bale has played Batman. But all of a sudden when it comes to a black man playing a character it’s a big deal? It has zero impact on your life if James Bond is black or white, nobody is forcing you to watch it. It can only be good that such an iconic character is now able to be relatable to a whole new group of people and gives people of other backgrounds to find joy and inspiration in that character
@@AtomicMushroomz have you been around tbe last few months? You know exactly what I'm talking ab. Even yt deletes my comment..betchu if I was talking shit ab whites it would still be on here
@@TheToohey10 that's a Yanker mentality. You would need to change the character as White British is what Bond is.
Idris Elba would be an amazing James Bond 007 isn’t actually 1 person, 007 is a title given to agents in that particular position I’m pretty sure
If you look at Sean Connery back in the 60s he looked downright olive-skinned in a lot of the posters if not perpetually tanned.
Exactly! It's not a specific person.
James Bond is a specific person though. 007 and James Bind don’t automatically coincide. 007 is the number given to the character James Bond. So he either has to have a different name or has to be white. Can’t have both. He’s still 007 though
Hm, you may be right but I don’t think it’s been really confirmed. In my opinion I can see 007 being a title or code name that can be given to anyone. If they remade this franchise then I could totally see Edris Elba killing it. I feel like Daniel craig said it best in a recent interview that got blown out of proportion.
@@zimxl5943 He probably will kill it in the role it’s just the switch seems like it’s just pandering due to all the race politics in recent years. There’s nothing wrong with Edris Elba, he’s a great actor. I just don’t want to see politics when I’m just going to the movies to have a good time
Idris Elba would make an amazing James Bond.
Or someone like Chiwetel Ejiofor. He’d be dope too.
17:09 Idra Elbis
@@jollyfernwise4641 lmao
His blackcent is definitely from the 90s he study chris tucker for 20mins
And Idris Elba, or any other black guy playing James Bond, would be English. Mocking African American stereotypes while talking about English actors is laughable.
@@willjackson6522 its so racist. Basically saying all black people act like african americans, let alone saying all african americans act the same.
Dude is so weirdly dramatic. Get an Asian James Bond afterwards. I want to see a stroke in real-time.
Ethan is gonna have a stroke if he keeps gaining weight
As a general note. At 3:30 ish chowder does not say he thinks there are to many black action genre actors or hero’s, he states that they are well represented in that field. As a general note of what was actual said. Don’t twist his words regardless of the truth.
Exactly what I thought. Ethan interpreted that in his own way and twisted his words. It would’ve been different if Steven said something like “there’s already enough black action hero’s”
@@trevorfeller9361 that’s all the left does
He never provides examples though. Also, Crowder comes to the assumption that somehow people think we *need* this. He's under the assumption that we think blacks aren't represented enough in that genre. How did he come to this assumption? Where does it come from?
Crowders fan are so triggered they dislike everything that talks bad about him🤣
Literally, just mindless drones that have a set opinion to click at a video.
@@addmin5487 wht who ?
lol but Eathan could not defeat him with words so he desperate to milk him dry to get content.
@@abramslion1 crowder is the most unfunny person ever to do a comedy show. He claims to be a political expert and he ran away from Sam sedar (a voice actor/ comedian). What credibility does he have lol
Im not a fan of crowder however you people are hypocrites if this was the other way around you same people would be screaming cultural appropriation
I think you guys are taking his words completely out of context and he’s 100% right and both of you should have a discussion with him face to face if you feel some type of way
Found the white racist lmao
They would never have a face to face discussion with him. . Repeating words like racist over and over again is not usually a successful debate strategy when someone is actually there to respond.
Sam sedar is going to enter the chat
They also pause the video every few second to make it appear as if his words are harsher than they actually are, they are so heated they can’t even evaluate it, I think Steven should have found another topic in a situation where a black person is being pushed in a role for the sole purpose that he is black, that why there should never be a narrative of “black James” bond or a black anything, but you already know everything single person who sees a black man playing the role of a person in a movie who has always been white, little people care about the change but I think it’s obvious in a lot of situation, they just want a black actor playing the whole for attention.
These guys made me wanna throw my phone at the wall when they twisted his words right after hearing him say something
If he's racist for saying that then here's a question... what about having a WHITE guy play as Shaft? Seems fair right?
He was referring to an article that was listing off the reasons why “we need a black James Bond”. Granted I think his argument is dumb but stop avoiding context just cause you don’t like the guy.
wow now that i know the context everything is so much different thank you so much its so incredible how much this information has changed the lens through which i view this discussion
2 minutes in and literally all you got it "he is sooo racist!" and swearing like 5 year olds. Thank you for being so quick in making it super clear who's side to pick.
As a black man.. the funniest joke was about black people being late🤣
I literally burst out laughing.. these guys were literally acting like 5 year olds. Real clowns😂
Genuine question here, do Steve crowder fans just watch for any videos that talk negative about their golden god because whenever I find one either done by a big TH-camr or a small one with a lot of views on that specific video, they dislike bomb the shit out of it and then don't comment.
well when you spend your entire life online, what else do you have to do besides mass downvote anything that disrepects your internet dad?
@@witchsick Honestly a part of me feels bad for those specific fans.
I can even see where they come from.
imagine having such hateful views and the world calling you wrong for them, constant feelings of hatred must be present often in a daily life like that and not leave you with many friends and people to talk to.
Then some guy on the internet tells you that you're in the right and that the world is wrong.
Must feel nice when someone tells you you're justified after everyone tells you you're wrong.
And since these people don't have anyone else of course they spend all their time on the internet mass downvoting, they think Crowder is all they have to make themselves feel better.
Honestly a lot of these Steven Crowder fans are people that are just afraid to change with is a shame cause its never too late to do that
@@Bob8-q2z couldn’t agree more, my younger self was definitely stuck in that mindset for longer than I’d like to admit. sadly, I think it might be a bit too late for a lot of them.
@@witchsick Same thing happened to me until I just started hanging out with more people.
I haven’t seen Steven crowder and only seen him the first time on Ethan vs crowder talk about something political and Ethan act like snake lying to him multiple times that him and only him will have a debate about anything with crowder, then Ethan brought someone else debating for him, what a shitshow. „Prank“.
Also Ethan Talking about anyone else how racist they sound is hypocritical, Ethan some real racist sounding stuff too that was made fun of in the past.
I know Ethan is inherently not racist, but still it’s weird critizizing other persons appearing racist.
Ethan going into politics is probably also a huge turn off for many fans, pretty sure, what I have been noticing over the recent change into half politics podcast.
I don’t care, if he ethan said niggrfaggot, that clip makes me laugh out of cringe, how silent idubbbz got in that podcast.
Respect to Ethan and Hasan for bringing attention to this, how on earth did Crowder think this was acceptable? Idris would be a great Bond though, he's a brilliant actor and suave as hell. Being from the UK I'm pretty sure no-one over here would have any problem with him.
Yep. And what was also funny to me was that he couldn’t even get his STEREOTYPING RIGHT. He was mocking African-American stereotypes and doing an American accent. Look mate, if you’re gonna be racist at least pay attention to details 😂
Let’s make Shaft white! That would be sick right!
Guys look I found the last sincere man on the internet
@@ecwrvd420 An attribute of Shaft’s character in the first place is him being black. James Bond has nothing to do with race, only being English. Black English people exist. Why are you trying to bar them from playing a role? 😂
@@willjackson6522 wrong Ian Fleming referred to bond as white, with Scottish dissent, when he wrote the character. Listen in all honesty I don’t care I just find it funny that Ethan is crying about crowders opinion. As for my opinion I think if the writer intended a character to be a certain way you should respect it. I wouldn’t want shaft or black panther to be Asian. I wouldn’t want the drunken master to be white. It’s a matter of respecting art
Idris Elba was amazing in Luther, and you could definitely see him as bond. But obvs this guy has never seen luther and has never seen anything Idris has been in aside from probably thor lol
@@lr650 yeah, I mean it's a British show so I kind of understand that they haven't seen it, but they should at least do some research on him before mocking him
For someone who is so obsessed with Crowder and loves rebutting his opinions or information…he certainly runs like a little child when actually confronted, or forced to legitimately debate without the aide of others, etc.
Crowder lives rent free in Ethan’s head. Whereas Crowder probably hasn’t thought about Ethan since the day Ethan sheepishly weaseled away from a debate that he originally agreed to.
My how the mighty have fallen.
If the Ethan of yesteryear still existed, he would have totally made a video about the Ethan of today. The joker has become the joke.
But hey, I guess that’s what happens when you live and surround yourself with the ‘culturally superior elite’ of LA.
AKA live within a bubble full of elitism.
That’s chocked full of ‘make myself feel good/superior’ faux activism & faux intellectualism.
For someone who is so obsessed with debating lefties and loves rebutting left-wing opinions or information Crowder certainly runs like a little child when actually confronted, or forced to legitimately debate without the aide of selective editing and people other than college kids, etc.
Sam Seder lives rent free in Crowders’s head. Whereas Sam probably hasn’t thought about Crowder since the day Crowder sheepishly weaseled away from a debate that he originally agreed to on Politicon.
My how the mighty have fallen.
If the Crowder of yesteryear still existed, he would have totally made a video about the Crowder of today. The joker has become the joke.
But hey, I guess that’s what happens when you live and surround yourself with ‘right wing yes-men’.
AKA live within a bubble full of elitism.
That’s chocked full of ‘make myself feel good/superior’ faux populism & faux intellectualism.
@@arthurmorgan332 he literally has an entire segment where anyone is allowed to try to change his mind. You don't know what you're talking about
@@spartanswhatisyourprofessi2825 You do know that segment purposely targets college students because most students are not politically knowledgeable enough to defend themselves. And they’re put on the spot without any preparation. Crowder wouldn’t dare debate with a well informed left winged individual such as Sam Seder which is why he continues to avoid him
@@bigchungus1644 yeah, that's their fault for not learning the subject and going up to crowder to debate, it's their choice. Plus colleges today spew nothing but garbage. College students should be smart enough to carry a conversation, but most can't manage that. Crowder is polite and he also does public segments outside of schools as well, such as the front of the White House, etc...
Objectively correct. Anyone can speak to him. If you're Sam Seder or Ethan who literally live off of bad faith, why should any moral, upstanding man speak to them on their terms?
This content was NEEDED. There is way too many conservative content filled with racism and MISINFORMATION out there. Finally there’s a show that calls their BS out in a satirical way! A1 CONTENT! 🔥👏🏼
What did he say that's racist?
@@mikeoxmall7917 They said that black James Bond would always be late to the meetings. That is racism. Checkmate.
@@LessonsOnTheWeb lol it's a joke based on a stereotype, it's hardly slavery
@@mikeoxmall7917 not all racism is in your face racial slurs, there’s also a lot of underhand racism that’s not right in your face
@@mikeoxmall7917 A Joke that is based on WHAT KIND of stereotype? Come on.. you can say it... RACIST stereotype. Checkmate again.
As a black man who watched this entire episode of Crowder. I literally had no problem with what he said in context.
PREECH this guy is just mad because he was embarrassed by someone on a different intellectual level than him
@UCa19WhShz_WbP2bXa904GbA the way I understand things nowadays, black people are in a better position to adjudicate whether a thing is racist or not. Therefore according to such logic my opinion trumps yours...
How’d they go from black people are late to they’re lazy??
@@mikeslifestyletipsreaction833 😂 omg this is gold
Hey guys there’s a black person over here agreeing with a white man we all should listen now lmao
How is this a thing!? How can ANYONE be this blatantly racist and claim not to be? Who would support these guys? It’s so funny how hypocritical these people are and yet they can’t comprehend how anyone can call them hypocrites. Steven crowder is a low key genius because he knows he can tap into a market of both open, and closeted racists. They act like it’s a big parody that they are doing it just to troll, but it’s not... it’s just really who they are.
I cannot believe he was just flat out racist during that entire discussion. No sugar costing either.
Coating. Like a coat of sugar
I can. Dude has been doing this shit for years. Just watch any of his vids on immigration. He is just everything wrong with the American right.
This was probably tame and “just joking” for him, his mind is definitely even more fcked up which is so scary.. There’s no doubt a whole KKK meeting going on in the dude’s head 😬
I cannot believe that you people think that anyone who is Whyte talking about race is racism 🤦 James Bond is British Edris is an African no one wants to see it by your own standards its cultural appropriation
@@eyeonantiwhiteism3761 You misunderstand why we are saying he is being racist. It isn't about the fat that he doesn't want a black Bond. It's more about the obvious racist stereotypes that he decides to use. It really doesn't take a genius to piece together Crowder's content and understand how the man thinks about non whites.
We’ve got enough Black action heroes!
We have Black Panther, …, …, …,
…We had Black Panther!
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First off, learn to proofread.
Second, James Bond is described by Ian Fleming as a white guy.
This is going to be a fun comment section
You guys take all of this out of context. I agree he took it a little far. But he is pointing out the problem in America that race is brought into everything when it doesn’t need to.
So Crowder is pointing out the systemic race problem in America... by being that problem?
Welp didn’t like this show at first, but I find it kind of funny. Don’t agree with hasan or ethans ideals but I think we can all agree there’s absolutely nothing wrong with a black James Bond. And I think Idris Elba will fit this role perfectly. They’re spot on….Bond is BRITISH not AMERICAN. This would be like getting upset with Miles Morales being Spider-Man or Sam being Captain America.
Ironically James Bond was the name of an American so this assumption that James Bond is British is both false and true, the name itself is not.
Steven is just pointing out the interjection of race into everything nowadays. Its a competition among whites to be racist enough to be steven crowder? Seiously? Who's the racist here?
Have you guys ever debated Crowder live? Or is it always you guys sniping his recorded shows?
They tried and Crowder ran away
@@braydenmorton5309 No, Ethan violated the terms of their agreement and Crowder walked away.
@@TBustah Crowder also walked away from a debate with Sam Seder multiple times 😒 it's because he only debates people he knows can't win
@@braydenmorton5309 No, he chose not to debate him. Big difference. If he accepted every challenge, there’d be no end to it. We’re not talking about ten to fifteen minutes of Change My Mind here, having someone on the show takes a lot of planning and half an hour or more for the actual discussion. Sam Seder has a fraction of his viewership and a reputation for being dishonest and disingenuous. He probably thought Seder wasn’t worth his time, and Seder only lived up to his reputation with that stunt.
As for only taking arguments he knows he can win, Crowder sure didn’t hesitate to take on (and humiliate) that Rolling Stone writer the other day. That wasn’t some random college kid or something Crowder planned, he came to Crowder. He also brings people on the show with opposing viewpoints all the time.
I'm British and Idris Elba would be an amazing James bond. I don't like the James bond films but I'd probably be more likely to watch it if Idris was bond. Hes amazing.
I would like to c Steven fan's defend this
They'll have the same remarks as him
They'll say it's just comedy
@@sablemae8853 TH-cam search “Ethan Klein being a racist and hypocrite” please go watch that video and come back here to defend that, you’re probably going to say it’s comedy.
@@TheVolume1 difference is he has apologised and made an active effort to make up for his mistake. He recognizes them as wrong and has condemned the fact that he has done things like this.
This however is pure promotion of white supremacy and it's not ok one fucking bit.
@@PeasantBreath typical BS response but that’s what was expected from people like you.
I don’t think it was the whole fact of OMG ITS A BLACK JAMES BOND I think it’s more the fact that ppl where saying…it’s time for a black James Bond whilst, also saying it shouldn’t matter about the skin tone of the actor…it just seems a bit hypothetical tbh
Yall are missing the point. And it's not racist, what's racist is taking an already written character and changing their race just to appease a crowd that is OBSESSED with race
Amen
Hassan makes my freaking ears bleed listening to his BS call uncle Cenk y’all deserve each other
These guys misinterpret and twist Crowders words at every opportunity. Now it makes sense why H3 declined to have a 1 on 1 debate with Crowder when they had the chance. They have no legitimate arguments
Finally a lucid person
It's adorable how obsessed with crowder you are
Ahh the typical democrat move of dismissing problems people have with companies replacing characters with black actors just for the sake of scoring some woke points as “racism”
I'd say "hi salty Crowder fans", but they're probably too scared Sam Seder is gonna show up.
I‘m not scared of a turtle.
@@stanmarsh7913 Bu you know which insecure manchild with an empty holster is, don't you?
I'm trying really hard to watch this but it seems that their only argument is that everyone that they don't like is racist and everything they say is racist therefore they are wrong. I am yet to see a logical counterargument, please drop a time stamp if you find one
it cuz steven is losing his shit over something that isnt that serious. wow a black james bond so the fuck what? its not like hes based on a historical figure
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Ummmmm steven is objectively racist though
@@10101fundaypoint missed. Lol
Buddy, the point is is that.... there's no problem. What's the issue with a black James bond? What does skin color have to do with James bond? As long as he fits the role and is british then It's James Bond. Also yes what Crowder is saying is racist dude literally is doing black stereotypes as a joke how is that not racist to you?
@@dylanschmeichel2008 My problem with it as an actual black guy who lives in England is that..it’s a terrible idea. James Bond, in my mind, is a representation of white English upper class stereotypes. I am fine with that, I think representation matters for everyone including ethnic majorities. Instead of race-bending an established character why not just invest in more movies starring black people as lead actors? It seems to me that the message being sent out is that black people can only succeed when we are included in something that’s originally white. I don’t like that message, personally, and I can see why you a white guy, probably, don’t have a problem with it because you don’t care about the message being sent out.
Also, it doesn’t really make sense to have a black James Bond given the actual ethnic makeup of England. South East Asians far outnumber people of African descent by a large margin. I think about 5% of the population of England are Asians while only like 1-1.5% of the population African. If James Bond is to be a minority then why doesn’t it seem that the biggest minority group aren’t in the conversation? Because it’s not about being genuine, it’s about further stigmatising black people as dependent and pissing people off at the same time.
I hope James Bond isn’t a black guy, I truly do. If it has to be a minority, for whatever reason, then it should be an Asian guy first.
I first became aware of Idris Elba in early 2000s watching him on The Wire as Stringer Bell. He is an absolutely amazing actor, and certainly has what it takes to play James Bond, and more, as he has proven many times over. Not sure who said "WE NEED" a black James Bond crowder, but he would be a great James Bond, objectively speaking.... who fucking cares if he is black, like seriously... fuckin slow news day crowder?
“This racism hit different dude” Hasan understands the far right mindset so well
Wait do Ethan and hasan have a show together now lol
yes?
@@wowfangz no?
Two of the worst guys... together! I love it
This is what americans dont seem to get about british media, Idris Elba would totally be a great bond, we care only about how the character is played. Whether rowan atkinson was black or white, as long as its played how atkinson played it, Johnny English would still be brilliant.
Also: we don't claim katie hopkins
Remember that clip of you saying the N word over and over and over again Ethan? And Hassan so you condone Ethan saying the N word and laughing about it?
Who would want a black James Bond though ? I like the white one
How about picking a James Bond for once that isn’t old?
The thing is Hollywood keeps repackaging white stories with black actors and act like it's a new story. When we talk about diversity in Hollywood it means having more black/brown folks being stared in movies/tv shows that tell black/brown stories. I haven't watched watched the last 2 James Bond movies, and I won't watch the next one just because he's black, it's because we've seen this movie before.
I'm aware this is a shameless rant.
It is shameless! People having a skin color is not a political statement. Black people existing and, well, acting is not some diversity quota agenda of Hollywood. Bruh, they’re people. Black actors, like white actors, are allowed to play any characters they want. They’re not obligated to tell “black/brown stories”. I don’t even know wtf “white stories” is. Do you mean like Irish or German stories? People who were not even considered white until like the 60s? Idris never even auditioned for the role, he was merely considered for it at one point. That was all it took for people like Crowder to lose their minds over it. That’s disgusting.
You know there is a reason that, in the lore, they usually give only numbers or letters to their agents/handlers (even though some may be known throughout the organization as they racked up quite the fame). It is because they are not tied to persons directly, but the individuals who can carry out those skills (maybe with a few exceptions here and there).
James Bond or 007 can be anyone as long as he has the capabilities of a 00 Agent.
But bond has always been what
If holly wood ever makes James Bond “Woke” - they have failed us.
No matter what happens socially. James Bond needs to be the smartest person in every room- even if the other people are Native American. Black. Females. He’s always got to be the smartest. And females cannot resist him no matter what. He gets the P.
He’s not even British 😭 why does he care
Americans always think their opinion is the most important of all 😅
Legit he's mouthing off about there being too many African American action heroes, for a British film. He's just using it as a platform to winge about his opinions
Ikr 😭
Americans cant have opinion, lol!
Ethan man I’ve watched your content for years and love you, but you gotta try and stop talking over Hasan if you can bud. Proud of you ❤️
If you've been watching for years you should know that's impossible
Hahaha, crowder fans are salty 😹
If a person wants a reason to be offended, they will always be able to find one.
Right like this channel. Social justice racist warriors.
I dont care either way, I just wanna know if you're consistent because I remember the left being pissed off over the same thing ...What if they remade Friday but Craig was white guy? If a straight guy played a gay guy in a movie would you be mad?
This is the funniest video I've seen in a while. Steven Crowder is the OG and the fact that this guy thinks he is really racist and not just a comedian is kinda funny.
The left has lost their sense of humor---😴😴😴
These grifters probably don’t actually believe what their saying in my opinion. But it’s hilarious that their hateful fans eat this shit up
The problem with Crowder is that he's comparing US cinema to UK cinema. There are many black British actors who aren't that represented in British film as much as they could be. He sees through a US-centric lens which is where his argument falls flat. There may be a few black American action stars, but not so much black British action stars
Steven Crowder has never seen James Bond apparently. He’s not an undercover agents. All the villains know who he is and what he looks like. That’s the point. They send James Bond to intimidate the enemy.
Ok. So your trying to say a black man is more intimidating than a white man. Your racist.
@@Snortolodmyr-SS-Cokelensky that isn't what they said at all.
I doubt Crowder even gives a shit about a black James Bond: he probably just went on the rant to get those sweet, sweet likes and grifter money.
I had to read this a second time. I though you were saying H3 podcast highlights just want the likes lol. I was about to agree. The same is true for both I’m sure.
Notice how they dont play his clip for longer than 10 seconds before interjecting with their immature comments
Crowder didn't say anything of value.
“Rasict” lol love you Ethan
Ur the only 1 who can read 😂 no one else caught it. Good job Ethan very clever
I believe Love posts the highlights, so I assume he wrote the title. English is a second language for him, but there is such a thing as a spell check.
Might be to dodge demonetisation
I honestly don’t see a problem with it
It'a inevitable. Everytime a clip from Leftovers is uploaded to this channel, the hogs will come to dislike it no matter what lmao
*"THEY SAY WE NEED A BLACK JAMES BOND--I HAVE NO PROBLEM--"*
*(Gets cut out saying that he has no problem if he's black, I bet.)*
James Bond is a classic part of British culture but you want to recast him as an African man ? if this was the other way round you same people would be screaming cultural appropriation.
Lets do a Black panther played by Chris pratt
"why do you need a black james bond" BRUH why do you need for there NOT to be a black james bond?? the question of "need" isn't relevant. you're the one getting emotional in defense of there only ever being white james bonds. remind me again who's injecting race into unnecessary situations?
I listen to crowder all the time. He never says anything racist.
But on the other side of the token, why james bond? Why not create a new earth spy?
I actually think it would be refreshing to have a black James bond
Why refreshing? I'd say it would be more refreshing if a character and movie franchise was started from scratch and focused on a black guy rather than just a recast
@@manbearpig3231 lol. I know what your trying to do here mr or mrs woke whatever you feel today but I was just stating an opinion and didn't go to deep on it. SMH
It’s so funny this guy doesn’t have the guts to face Crowder in a debate.
Lol I like your attempt to get clout off this guy's nuts. And take things out of contrast
Next blade movie should be john cena and not wesley snipes then see who gets triggered.
I love how if you don’t agree with someone it’s automatically racist
They’re outraged over a stereotype joke but they’re over here making country accent as if racists have country accents 🤣 y’all are a joke
sheesh so many closet racists in the comments
I dont think he was being racist there. He's just saying we worry to much about race and try to bring it into focus when its really not a big deal. Ethan loves calling everybody racist. Blah blah blah. If you dont line up politically with someone theyre racist...taking away meaning from the word man
Uh oh you triggered all the white men with this one Ethan lol
Got to specify white men don’t you
@@ipolarisi2381 yes because that’s whose getting upset by a character being a different race because they see it as a personal slight since they adore bond
@@elorarose3533 I don’t see anything wrong with people wanting a character to stay true to who they were originally indented to be. Whereas people like you feel attacked and claim they are racist just because they want something a specific way that you don’t care about
This comment almost gave me a stroke.
@@ipolarisi2381 it’s a simple change after decades it’s just skin colour nothing else about the charcater is changing. Grow up lmao.
lol i love that hes the type of guy to REALLY care about nationality, until hes making a point about wokeness and then suddenly he cant be bothered to make a distinction between english and american.
Love how these guys can pretend they have any idea what they're talking about.
Take a break off the internet Mark
Totally agree.
I mean, I don't care of they continue the bond story and they bring in a new agent to be 007 and he's black. Whatever, that's completely possible in the story line.
But if they are going to go back and completely remake the bond movies with a black bond then that's pretty fucked.
The same way they remade Annie and made he black. That was weird.
Idris Elba would be an awesome James bond. I also think Tom Hardy should be the next black panther.
I wonder how Steven would react to finding out that not only did Ian Fleming write all of the James Bond novels in Jamaica ( a predominantly black former British colony) but that majority of the first movie took place there. 🤔
He wouldn’t give two rats’ asses. But you think he would be triggered because you watch these two knuckleheads paint him as this big white supremacist.
What has that got to do with the characters ethnicity
Your just trying to invent reasons to believe he’s racist that’s creepy.
This makes me want Idris Elba as James Bond even more
Why does he have a platform in the first place? Does TH-cam really let racists own channels and make content? Wooww
Freedom of speech brother. Have you actually listened to his channel? Hes not very funny and I font like him much but hes definitely not a racist.
I mean they let Ethan's channel just spread mass hate and bullying to other people, so yes youtube lets a lot of things happen
Not racist for black people to have their own TV network BET network. Imagine a WET white entertainment television, people would lose it. We almost had a white television network with PGA gold but then Tiger messed that jk lol
Ethan 2015: likable fat guy
Ethan 2022: sold his soul clearly unhappy communist hippy who needs direction in his life
lmao ok white boy
@@luisa-wy7co lmao ok racist boy
The issue steven is trying to point out is why? These guys provide the answer, its so people can jump on board for no other reason than to tout how unrasicst they are to seem like good people. Have you ever thought about how easy it is to not be racist, and they act like they are heros for doing the bare minimum. The issue wasn't with a black James Bond, the issue is that people like this think they are superior than someone who understands that this is the bare minimum. Enough so that they are comfortable making jokes.
amen
I think any man should be able to play James Bond but I think any gender should play 007, just as the woman showed in the new movie she was great and hopefully we get more of her
5+ mill subs Crowder has vs your baby 1m.
everyone like this is you would have hit the DISLIKE button
He is not racist yall are just snowflakes
Love all the chowderheads malding in the comments xD.
Like nobody is saying they need a black James bond. Needs and wants are different. As your parents may have taught you. I don't know how it wouldn't be cool to see a black James bond though... like as a fan of bond from Sean Connery I think it would be pretty historic to see. Not to mention it's not like the actor doesn't change every X amount of movies 007 and James Bond have been made out to be the placeholder name of the agent who is assigned 007. There's nothing in the story that would make it impossible for him to be black, so why not?
He doesn't even articulates what would be so wrong about it, but instead says that there are plenty of other things for black people in general to star in other than James bond. Without actually explaining why it would actually be so wrong, is an issue, or why fans wouldn't like it.
The entire argument centers around his false perception that people NEED a black James bond, where people really just seem interested a black James bond and in turn want it.
Like he clearly wants a white James bond, but never states he needs a white James bond. I don't think anybody has said they need a black James bond either.
Like people want a black Bond
Crowder wants a white bond (he doesn't really articulate why he does want a white bond or has a problem with the idea in general, but he does try to tear down some ill-informed notion of what the left need over want.
@@gonzolonzo1383 I want a white black panther. I want Nick fury to be played by a white guy again. I think they should make an autobiography about Malcolm x and have Martin Short playing him. It would be groundbreaking to see race reversals like these....
@@Iserate Good job completely misrepresenting the arguement here. Having a black actor for James Bond is completely different than replacing all of the races for the characters you just mentioned because they are either 1. Real people whose race should stay the same for historical accuracy or 2. Already established characters with actors that don't switch out like James Bond. Just shut up.
@@visualsforyou7120 LOL I make a good point and all you can say is shut up. Anne Boleyn played by Jodie Turner-Smith? There goes "1". And Nick Fury in the Movie "Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D." was played by a white actor. Why is it only a one way street? Brave and stunning one way but racist the other? I think its all acting and doesn't really matter.