well, it's great but severely limited. If Sony releases a firmware that lets it use the full mechanical shutter up to 1/8000 then it will be the best camera there.
Something to be mindful of is the cashback and offers available at time of purchase. In the UK (so it may differ by region), there are the following: - For the A7IV, there is currently a £300 Summer Cashback, dropping the price to £2100 from £2400. If you're a student, you can also get an additional 10% off the camera, dropping the price down to £1860. - For the A6700, there is no cashback, but the student discount applies bring the price from £1449 to £1304. You can also get £250 off each of 4 lenses (10-20mm PZ, 15mm f/1.4, 70-350mm, 16-55mm f/2.8), PLUS the "Welcome to Alpha" cashback (£100 off 3 qualifying lenses following each Alpha camera you purchase, including the new A6700) and the Summer Cashback and the student discount. I was able to pick up the A6700, 16-55mm f/2.8, 10-20mm PZ and 15mm f/1.4 for a total £2400 after all discounts and cashbacks are applied (reduced from £4000). Be sure to have a look for these in your region, you might be able to save yourself an arm and a limb!
The verdict is in. I took A6700 on my Portugal and Spain trip with lenses: Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8, Sony 16-35mm F/4, and Sony 20mm F/1.8. Firmware 1.01. With all lenses, eye Autofocus pointed to an eye, but all pictures were out of focus when cropping in. I had the same problems with other APS-C Sony cameras such as A6000 and A6500. Low light is a complete failure. Anything greater than ISO 1600 is getting color noise and light noise. Colors are starting to shift. The noise level at ISO 1600 is the same as on A7IV's ISO 12500. The absence of closed curtains when changing lenses produced "dirty" pictures, even though I used an air blower to clean between changing lenses. I never had this issue with A7IV. The viewfinder is terrible. Even though I set it to a high refresh rate, while making the video and monitoring it in the viewfinder, the video looked choppy, like at 15fps. Another issue was that sometimes the camera failed to power up when I flipped the switch, and I had to do it multiple times. I wanted to like this camera but I am returning the A6700 and I will continue to use the A7IV for trips even though it is slightly heavier.
Can’t say I’ve had the same experiences, but it sounds like the A7iv is the camera for you. Thanks for the info, I will keep an eye out to see if others have the same issues
It will be interesting to see a comparison of the new Fuji XS 20. Vs the 6700 as they will likely be two main competitors. Likely a no brainer for those already invested in either brand, both are good each with their own respective strengths. Though reviewed separately I saw Cameralabs gave the Fuji a rare ‘highly recommended’ and the Sony ‘recommended’ (A74 was highly recommended). As Gordon says often though ‘your mileage may vary’. Another great video Mark! Btw…I tended to prefer the 6700 in the early comparisons, just looked a bit more realistic to me, though that alley is amazing regardless.
I shot with Nikon for almost 40 years but recently switched to Sony. I bought both the A7IV for my landscapes and the A6700 for wildlife and macros. I do occasionally use the A7IV for wildlife too. Great video!
Thanks Mark! I’m making an upgrade from A6500, the thing is I own the apsc sigma trio plus the sigma 18-50. At first thought of jumping to a7iv but it seems a very huge leap. Now I’m considering to make smaller jump and give out a try for the A6700. We’ll see about it then. Thanks again your video gave so much help!
Since i have aps c lenses and size for travel is important to me I’m going with 6700. I have been shooting 6000 waiting for sony to come out with a camera like this. I almost went a7III to upgrade years ago but glad I waited as all new full frame glass is expensive for a hobby and travel.
Agreed that the A6700 is a better value and as a total 'system' much less expensive and smaller to live with. I also agree that the A7IV is the better camera, especially if you're a more serious shooter. The larger form factor, viewfinder, ports, dual card slots, higher resolution all make for a better shooting experience. Casual shooters or shooter on a budget can't go wrong with the A6700. It's a beast of a camera in a small form factor. Having said that, I would also pick the A7IV over the A7CII for the same reasons. Plus bigger FF lenses aren't going to handle well on the A7C II like they would on an A7IV (IMHO).
I love my Sony A7 IV for pro work, full frame is amazing. I did order the 6700 which will be used with all my FE GM glass for wildlife and street stuff.
Great video, Mark!!! The A6700 seems truly excellent. It's a remarkable machine not only for those creating content on social media but also for certain professional tasks. Now, why on earth didn't SONY make the ALPHA 7IV capable of shooting in 4k 60p without any cropping or even up to 4k 120p? Cheaper cameras with smaller sensors can already achieve that. And we're not talking about an entry-level camera here. Perhaps it's time for SONY to consider updating some of their cameras?
Different cameras have different sensors and processors and limitations. So the a7iv is 33mp and full frame, and in order to get over sampled sharp 4k60, they couldn’t use the whole sensor because the readout speed is too slow. So instead of line skipping or pixel binning like in some Canon’s who do full with 4k60, they opted for the crop in the sensor. But 4k120 was likely not doable at all
As usual, another excellent video Mark!👍 I’d love to see a low light comparison of the A6400/A6600 vs A6700. I love my A6400 and trying to decide whether the upgrade to the A6700 is worth it for Astro and nightscapes. I’ll wait for the A7Cii for an upgrade decision, but already having the Sony 18-135, Tamron 11-20, Sony 11 & 15 and Sigma 18-50 lenses makes the jump to FF a tough justification for a hobbyist. After the kit lens, I blame you for emptying out my wallet.😂
you won't see a noticeable improvement in lowlight with the a6700 for astro and night-caps - but you will see a big improvement with full frame. You can consider getting a used a7iii or a7c for what you're shooting (ir wait for a sale - Sony just had the a7iii $500 off - I'm sure they'll do it again)
Great comparison! Regarding your question: in a situation when the camera is a source of my income I would choose A7IV... but I am "home photographer" so definitely size and cost of A6700 is more appealing for me. Most probably I will upgrade my A6600 to A6700 in a later time.
Just a note of caution, overheating can be very unpredictable. I have never had any overheating issues with my Sony A7IV up until last weekend. I shoot student music exam videos. My typical use case is on a tripod, screen flipped out, temp setting high. Usually, I fiddle around with the camera for 10-15 minutes to setup basic lighting and then I record in 4k XAVC S 10 bit 422 (2 cards backup recording) in bursts of anywhere from 5-10 minutes each. Repeat at most 3-4 times. This most recent time, the camera was on for around an hour. And I was in indoors, it's winter over here so the house heating was on but nothing that was alarmingly warmer than it should have been. Fairly large room too, plenty of air flow. The camera showed the overheat warning at around the hour mark and it freaked me out! I took out the battery (genuine Sony) which was about 35-40% at this stage and replaced with a new one. This seemed to fix things and so I continued without issue for another 10-15 minutes to finish the recording. All good in the end but it was a somewhat nervous and unpleasant experience towards the end.
Waiting for my 6700 to arrive in two days. For me it is a cost, size, and weight decision. No contest. The cost gap grows much wider when multiple lenses add much to the FF game. I prefer the EVF on the left.
Just the video I was looking for. The EVF on the A7IV is what I have come to love. I don’t like it on the side. The full frame shallow depth of field is tricky to get used to coming from APSC. I keep getting one person in focus but not the other without stopping down.
Thank you so much for this video, great comparison of the pluses for each one. I happen to be rally a full frame shooter for a long time and already own the A7IV( along with some higher end Sony A7Rx and A1 body) but for small size I’ve been using the A7C. I know A rumored update of that has been talked about but the A6700 really appears to be better even though I rarely shoot video. I do have my bigger Sony GM lenses but also the Sigma I-Series small primes that I think may translate to APS-C well, I.e. 24->36, 35->52.5, 50->75, etc… so I think I’m covered and they are not that large. Thanks for your time and effort.
Great video. From a low light perspective, I see that the A6700 sensor is no better or even worse than the old APS-C sensor from the A6500 I had in the past. I am about to receive A6700 and would have to decide what I would take on my vacation to Europe: A7IV or A6700. Weight is a strong factor here. I want it to be light, but, for a day I have, before I leave on my trip, of testing between the two I would have to make a decision and either return A6700 with Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 or take it on my trip. A7IV with Sigma 28-70 f2.8 - 1129g FF vs A6700 with Sigma 18-55 f2.8 - 783g APSC. Difference will be felt after the whole day of walking and shooting on a gimbal. SInce I have AdBlocker, so I am not sure if you receive any commissions after I watch your videos. So, sending you my thanks.
I have the A7iv and I'll probably get the A6700 instead. For sports, the A7iv tracks very well, but focusing is a real issue. The A6700 seems to be a huge improvement with 85% hit rate in the tests (Bernal, Northrup).
@@benoittissier58 Oh ok, I normaly use wide focus which locks on to the closets to the frame. If it gets crowded and i'm trying to keep focus on a specific person or player like my daughter when playing basketball. i would use spot. Once it locked on it was really rare to miss focus. It was rare for me to miss focus even on my a6400 once i locked on.
@@25eazi Wide area was a disaster, that's why I switched to spot. Tracking is not an issue at all, the green box stays where it should but when you look at the pics on the computer, plenty of them are misfocused. I tried the A6400, it's a bit worse than the A7iv in my general use, but when the subject fills the field of view, it is surprisingly good.
@@benoittissier58 The A6400 is not better than my A7 iv at focusing. i was just mentioning i was able to pull off good results. Not my experience. Wide normally grabs the closes to the frame on all sony cameras. ayee i guess it happens but when i lock on it normally nails focus on the subjects eye that i locked on to. I also try to time my shots rather than relying on burst mode.
The a6700 is one of the few cameras that is still on my radar for a 2nd camera. Even though I am interested in the "soon-to-be-announced" A7Cii, it's hard to look past the a6700 when it's priced at $1,398 USD. I'm betting the A7Cii will be priced closer to the FX30. The only question that remains is, which kidney can I sacrifice to the Sony Gods?
If it does come - I think it’ll be priced at $2300. Total guess - but it’ll be closer to the a7iv in price than fx30. But I have been wrong before. Maybe I’ll be wrong again someday
In Germany, both cameras can be found new for almost the same price (1699€ for the a6700 vs 1800€ for the A7 IV when on discount). Plus, you can find used A7 IVs very easily.
I'm very tempted to go full frame but the fact is that i already have fantastic depth of field with Sigma 85 1.4, and I really don't shoot super low light enough. maybe once in a while in a bar, that's it. I'm going to wait for A7C mark 2 and see how I feel. If it's too expensive, i'll just keep my EV-Z10. It has very good autofocus already. The only thing I'm missing is wide angle sharp lens for APS-C. My dad is giving me his Leica X1, so maybe that will be my wide angle lens.
I do sports photography (cyclocross in particular) and landscape photography. I'm undecided whether to continue with my A6700, which I'm very satisfied with, or switch to the 7-4. The 6700 satisfies me, it has phenomenal autofocus and everything else is excellent, but the 7-4 would give me greater creative control with depth of field, greater security thanks to the double memory slot and (maybe?) better ergonomics. I have most of the lenses in full frame format (I had an A7c) and I don't consider it purely an economic issue, but only a question of safety in the photos I take (especially sports ones, since I'm studying to make it a job). I do not know what to do!
if you want to shoot professionally, the a74 makes a lot of sense. but of course, you would get further reach out of those lenses with the a6700. you can use apsc mode with the A7iv, but you’ll be down to about 14 megapixels
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Yes. it's not a big problem with focal lengths, I've understood in recent months which ones I need and I think I can cover everything even with FF lengths. Thanks for your help!
Question about Fstop and exposure between sensors: I’ve heard exposure at F 1.4 is the same regardless of full frame or APSC I notice more light in the full frame. Why do people say the same amount of light for any sensor?
I agree, the A6700 is an incredible value. I think its image looks better than the A7iV. That might be the better colours. In terms of low light, yes the A7iV picks up light better, but the image sucks anyways. Get a mini light man!
i had the sony a7iv and i sold it because i'm thinking about buying the sony a6700. this camera is almost the perfect camera for me and so far the ideal camera for me because it's smaller and lighter than the a7iv and i always record in 4k 60fps and with the a7iv i was getting a massive crop but with the a6700 i get no crop and 6k oversampling!!
@@hamroz1 basically i always record in 4k 60fps. with the a7iv i was getting a crop and there was no 7k oversampling (with 4k 30fps you get 7k oversampling). with the a6700 you get a crop if you compare it to a full frame but you get 6k oversampling. it's not only the crop factor but also overall the camera is better for me because is slightly smaller and lighter and it has the ai chip
Hey Mark, thank you. I really appreciate your videos. I've been giving the a6700 vs A7IV a good think. I've been shooting with the a6300 for a number of years and I'm getting close to upgrading. I have a fair amount of apsc glass, but it's tempting to make the leap up to full frame (I went on vacation and took in the range of 12K pics, but under pressure, I often struggled to get sharpest focus with wildlife with the a6300). By the time one factors in the $1300 CAD of the A7IV over the a6700 *and* getting new lenses, it's a lot of cheddar. It also feels like the A7IV, as good as it is, is getting just a bit long in the tooth compared to its competitors (Canon R6II, Fuji X-HS2), i.e. cropped 4K60. Still a great camera and the focus is great. But I wonder if it's better to wait some months for the A7CII (is rumored to have similar or even better specs to the A7IV) or a direct successor to the A7IV.
Love all your videos. Curious, how much can the lens be changing the color and image between these bodies? Is it hard to adapt to have the same lens for both?
I love watching ur videos. They r detailed and created in fun way. It’s joy to watch. I m planning to buy a new aps-c camera. Would love to see a comparison video between a6400 n a6700, if possible. Thnx. Keep up the good work
Great Video. Clarifies a LOT of facts...! Thanks for this Clip. Helped me with all the great Information. To answer your question at the end: I think would give the A6700 a chance. I consider to sell all of my trusty good Nikon Equipment and go for a change to Sony's new APS-C-Camera Thumbs up!
2:15 Sorry, saying that a 16mm 1.4 becomes a 24mm 2.1 on a crop sensor is misleading and incorrect. It becomes a 24mm 1.4 on a crop sensor. The reason the DOF is changed is because you have to reposition the camera further away to achieve the same photo with a crop camera. It is the repositioning of the camera which changes the DOF. In fact, an image from a16mm 1.4 on a crop camera will look EXACTLY like an image from a 24mm 1.4 on a full frame camera.
sure - but that doesn’t help people understand that if you stand in the same spot with an apsc camera with a 16mm 1.4 that it will look equivalent to standing in the same spot with a 24mm f2.1 in terms of field of view and depth of field. You say a 16mm 1.4 looks exactly like a 24mm 1.4 on a full frame - well, the background will be much blurrier on the full frame standing in the same spot and it’s not helpful to tell people, that it’s because the sensor size relative to distance of the subject makes the 1.4 look like a 2.1.
Hey, Mark! Great video as usual!! There is a question I have regarding the a6700 that I couldnt find the answer anywhere… Do you know if I use the Hdmi out (to a monitor for example) if it loses the face/eye detection autofocus? i know in the FX30 it retains the face AF… As it has a full sized HDMI, I wanted to know if the a6700 works the same with its micro HDMI. 😅
For a similar price and forgetting for a moment all the extra features, if we consider only the image quality straight out of the camera (PP0, no post)... Would you say the full frame A7C sensor and the 6700 APS-C sensor will give similar results in normal light conditions (indoors/studio)? Most of those new features are not really important for me and I'm just interested about getting the best quality for this price range.
If you don’t plan to do any colour grading they will give a similar image with PPOFF. The issue will be lenses. You can get a sigma 16mm 1.4 (what I shot this video with) for $350. To get a full frame version of that will be much more expensive. So your total cost with the a6700 and a good lens is $1750. That will be closer to $2500 for the A7C and a good lens
Can you make a video comparing 8 bit video to 10 bit ? Because I saw no difference at all when I did the comparison. And you make it sounds like a big deal .I am really curious to know what I'm missing out
@MarkBennettCameraCrisis yeah I filmed 8 bit clip and 10 bit clip .I applied crazy strong color change .both clips were identical with bannding and everything. I really want to learn how can I take advantage of this 10 bit
Hey Mark, appreciate your video a lot thanks. On 3:24 you compared 6700 4k60p vs a7IV 4k60 which is supposed to be a cropped sensor size the same like 6700, and then we need to multiply again both the Focal length and aperture by 1.5. But the question is why do we still get shallower DOF (more bokeh on the backgroud), when this is supposed to be the same when using cropped FF sensor area? Does that mean that 6700 also crops at even smaller area of its sensors and do not oversample from its full APC-S coverage?
I'm trying to convince myself all the time I don't need FF, but that low light performance is just so good. heck 102k ISO on the A7IV looks better than the 32k ISO on the a6700. don't even want the other "advantages" of FF. shallower DOF will only cause issues lol
My a6600 got water damage on my last holiday, now I'm so torn between the a6700 and the a7cii I do have a ff 85mm lens and 3 crop s lenses,I don't do much low light photography but its nice to have the options, but also the price difference. Hard decision.
I would rather choose A6700 as I don't need shallow depth of field. A smaller and lighter body, with much smaller lenses, yet with focus bracketing and 900 seconds long exposure. It's indeed the king of all light travel cameras.
@@brugj03 I have in hand full frame cameras , APS-C cameras and M4/3 cameras, and I used all of them for more than ten years, so I know what gears meet my needs. Thank you for your sharing of ideas.
@@brugj03 Hat off salute, Brug. For sure, we get what we want (the desired images) with appropriate lens, knowledge and experience. FF lenses offer more possibilities when DOF is concerned. A6700, for me, is mainly a record tool for travelling. Good day.
i disagree with a7iv crop 60 fps in video disadvantage, the a6700 has a apsc crop sensor so the a7iv crops to 1.5 times or apsc mode on 4k 60fps, it is truth that the a6700 does not crop but you dont count the 1.5 times already crop apsc sensor of the a6700 so they are equal in that mode.
its just that the angle changes dramatically when going from 4k 24 to 60 on the A7IV. So there are lots of shooters who have a lens on, say, shooting a wedding, and then they want some clips of the same scene in slow motion - then it crops in 1.5 times. So in order to combat that - you have to be in APS-C crop the whole time - at that point, why not have the camera that is $1000 cheaper or the FX30
I’ve been using an old canon rebel to record my Jiu Jitsu matches from the stands and every now and then I get out of focus. Would you be able to review the AI autofocus on constantly moving fast objects? Looking into the a6700.
Hi bro, i didnt use lense camera yet, but with in fue day i learn lot....so my question is....i start with bigneer, but with in couple of days...im going to be a professional.....so which would i chose....A6700 or A7IV
Good comparison. Thanks. I have a a6500 (about 5 years) and I have enjoyed using it. Not perfect, but as an amateur it fits my needs for family and vacation photos. Also, a lot cheaper for camera and lenses than full frame. I looked at upgrading to the a7C but could not justify the expense of going to full frame lenses. I am considering the a6700. It certainly is a big upgrade compared to my a6500. However, I lose the built-in flash (which is handy in lower light situations and I don’t have to carry around a large flash attachment) and I lose the panoramic mode which I use on my annual fishing trips into Canada. I only use jpeg photos and out of the camera videos. So I’m wondering if I should keep my a6500 and invest in more lenses or go for the a6700?
I process the video from my Sony A7 IV with the Topaz Video AI program, achieving excellent video stabilization and an absolutely smooth full-frame picture at 59.94 FPS (having converted the video using this program from 29.97 FPS). Artificial Intelligence works wonders.
In my country, the a74 is 400$ more than the a6700. The lenses (Sony 1.8) for the a74 are 200$ whilst the 1.4 sigmas for the 6700 are 400$. So if I buy either camera with two lenses, they’re both the same price. Which one should I get? I do 50/50 video/photo
Mark, from your high position in anything camera, do you see improvements in sensors that will make the smaller aps-c more attractive than the heavier and more expensive alternative? Just when I think we see the end, Sony pulls out a couple of remarkable cameras, the FX-30 and the FX-30 with an EVF, aka the a6700! After a lot of photography, much of it macro or just messing around, I find the aps-c more than adequate in producing professional grade images. Now that the a6700 is a baby A7R5 with a few DNA strands from the ZV-E1, it makes me think that it is the Messiah of aps-c cameras. This will give photographers a break from the overly heavy, overly praised FF bodies. I do love my A7R3 for the things I love to do with it, like bird photography or taking pictures of that darn drone the U.S. Air Force flies over my house. Even taking pictures of the moon is easy and I get a 300-900mm zoom with my a6600 or ZV-E10 vs, 200-600 on my FF body. Images are very close when it comes to image quality. BTW, the little ZV-E10 is one great photo camera. I just use more powerful reading glasses to see the screen better.
apsc cameras can be great. I was just at a baseball game and they wouldn’t let me take pics with my A7iv because it was “too big”. no problem with my apsc cams
Thanks for the video. Which one would you recommend? I am planning to buy one in the coming weeks, unfortunately, in India A6700 is not available at the moment. I am confused about which one to go with. Your advise is much appreciated. Thanks for your time.
Most likely, I'll go for A6700 as the AI detection is just wonderful. I haven't checked your previous videos, have you by chance made a test for "stabilisation" for videos, primarily handheld+walking?
Help appreciated Mark! Happy to buy you a quality adult beverage!😁
Too kind!! Gonna get something high quality for sure!!
I don’t even knew that Christopher Nolan had a TH-cam channel . Funny to see him speaking about Sony camera 😅
🤣🤣🤣🤣, how am I just noticing??
@@ekenmaice1435Lol me too. Only after this guy pointed out. 😅
@@AlphaCentauri24 so this means our beloved Christopher Nolan used the A7IV to shoot Oppenheimer 🤔🤔. 🤣🤣🤣
So true! 😊
I can't unseen it. After you mentioned it.😂😂😂
The fact that you’re comparing an APSc vs a FF camera is a testament to how good the 6700 is
well, it's great but severely limited. If Sony releases a firmware that lets it use the full mechanical shutter up to 1/8000 then it will be the best camera there.
Something to be mindful of is the cashback and offers available at time of purchase. In the UK (so it may differ by region), there are the following:
- For the A7IV, there is currently a £300 Summer Cashback, dropping the price to £2100 from £2400. If you're a student, you can also get an additional 10% off the camera, dropping the price down to £1860.
- For the A6700, there is no cashback, but the student discount applies bring the price from £1449 to £1304. You can also get £250 off each of 4 lenses (10-20mm PZ, 15mm f/1.4, 70-350mm, 16-55mm f/2.8), PLUS the "Welcome to Alpha" cashback (£100 off 3 qualifying lenses following each Alpha camera you purchase, including the new A6700) and the Summer Cashback and the student discount. I was able to pick up the A6700, 16-55mm f/2.8, 10-20mm PZ and 15mm f/1.4 for a total £2400 after all discounts and cashbacks are applied (reduced from £4000).
Be sure to have a look for these in your region, you might be able to save yourself an arm and a limb!
Good info!!
In my country there is nothing, its blessing to just buy one with 150-200$ more lol
Excellent as usual!!! A6700 is my choice! I'm too old to carry heavy stuff...
The verdict is in. I took A6700 on my Portugal and Spain trip with lenses: Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8, Sony 16-35mm F/4, and Sony 20mm F/1.8. Firmware 1.01. With all lenses, eye Autofocus pointed to an eye, but all pictures were out of focus when cropping in. I had the same problems with other APS-C Sony cameras such as A6000 and A6500. Low light is a complete failure. Anything greater than ISO 1600 is getting color noise and light noise. Colors are starting to shift. The noise level at ISO 1600 is the same as on A7IV's ISO 12500. The absence of closed curtains when changing lenses produced "dirty" pictures, even though I used an air blower to clean between changing lenses. I never had this issue with A7IV. The viewfinder is terrible. Even though I set it to a high refresh rate, while making the video and monitoring it in the viewfinder, the video looked choppy, like at 15fps. Another issue was that sometimes the camera failed to power up when I flipped the switch, and I had to do it multiple times. I wanted to like this camera but I am returning the A6700 and I will continue to use the A7IV for trips even though it is slightly heavier.
Can’t say I’ve had the same experiences, but it sounds like the A7iv is the camera for you. Thanks for the info, I will keep an eye out to see if others have the same issues
It will be interesting to see a comparison of the new Fuji XS 20. Vs the 6700 as they will likely be two main competitors. Likely a no brainer for those already invested in either brand, both are good each with their own respective strengths. Though reviewed separately I saw Cameralabs gave the Fuji a rare ‘highly recommended’ and the Sony ‘recommended’ (A74 was highly recommended). As Gordon says often though ‘your mileage may vary’. Another great video Mark! Btw…I tended to prefer the 6700 in the early comparisons, just looked a bit more realistic to me, though that alley is amazing regardless.
I'd very much love to see the comparison.
Open Gate and Fuji Colors/Simulations
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Weather Sealing and Incredible Autofocus
I shot with Nikon for almost 40 years but recently switched to Sony. I bought both the A7IV for my landscapes and the A6700 for wildlife and macros. I do occasionally use the A7IV for wildlife too. Great video!
great setup!!
Thanks Mark! I’m making an upgrade from A6500, the thing is I own the apsc sigma trio plus the sigma 18-50. At first thought of jumping to a7iv but it seems a very huge leap. Now I’m considering to make smaller jump and give out a try for the A6700. We’ll see about it then. Thanks again your video gave so much help!
Since i have aps c lenses and size for travel is important to me I’m going with 6700. I have been shooting 6000 waiting for sony to come out with a camera like this.
I almost went a7III to upgrade years ago but glad I waited as all new full frame glass is expensive for a hobby and travel.
Agreed that the A6700 is a better value and as a total 'system' much less expensive and smaller to live with. I also agree that the A7IV is the better camera, especially if you're a more serious shooter. The larger form factor, viewfinder, ports, dual card slots, higher resolution all make for a better shooting experience. Casual shooters or shooter on a budget can't go wrong with the A6700. It's a beast of a camera in a small form factor. Having said that, I would also pick the A7IV over the A7CII for the same reasons. Plus bigger FF lenses aren't going to handle well on the A7C II like they would on an A7IV (IMHO).
I love my Sony A7 IV for pro work, full frame is amazing. I did order the 6700 which will be used with all my FE GM glass for wildlife and street stuff.
Great video, Mark!!! The A6700 seems truly excellent. It's a remarkable machine not only for those creating content on social media but also for certain professional tasks. Now, why on earth didn't SONY make the ALPHA 7IV capable of shooting in 4k 60p without any cropping or even up to 4k 120p? Cheaper cameras with smaller sensors can already achieve that. And we're not talking about an entry-level camera here. Perhaps it's time for SONY to consider updating some of their cameras?
Different cameras have different sensors and processors and limitations. So the a7iv is 33mp and full frame, and in order to get over sampled sharp 4k60, they couldn’t use the whole sensor because the readout speed is too slow. So instead of line skipping or pixel binning like in some Canon’s who do full with 4k60, they opted for the crop in the sensor. But 4k120 was likely not doable at all
As usual, another excellent video Mark!👍 I’d love to see a low light comparison of the A6400/A6600 vs A6700. I love my A6400 and trying to decide whether the upgrade to the A6700 is worth it for Astro and nightscapes. I’ll wait for the A7Cii for an upgrade decision, but already having the Sony 18-135, Tamron 11-20, Sony 11 & 15 and Sigma 18-50 lenses makes the jump to FF a tough justification for a hobbyist. After the kit lens, I blame you for emptying out my wallet.😂
you won't see a noticeable improvement in lowlight with the a6700 for astro and night-caps - but you will see a big improvement with full frame. You can consider getting a used a7iii or a7c for what you're shooting (ir wait for a sale - Sony just had the a7iii $500 off - I'm sure they'll do it again)
Thank you kindly for responding. You’re the best!👍 If I redirect my apple cider budget, I can probably get an A74 or A7Cii.😀
Great comparison! Regarding your question: in a situation when the camera is a source of my income I would choose A7IV... but I am "home photographer" so definitely size and cost of A6700 is more appealing for me. Most probably I will upgrade my A6600 to A6700 in a later time.
Just a note of caution, overheating can be very unpredictable. I have never had any overheating issues with my Sony A7IV up until last weekend. I shoot student music exam videos. My typical use case is on a tripod, screen flipped out, temp setting high. Usually, I fiddle around with the camera for 10-15 minutes to setup basic lighting and then I record in 4k XAVC S 10 bit 422 (2 cards backup recording) in bursts of anywhere from 5-10 minutes each. Repeat at most 3-4 times. This most recent time, the camera was on for around an hour. And I was in indoors, it's winter over here so the house heating was on but nothing that was alarmingly warmer than it should have been. Fairly large room too, plenty of air flow. The camera showed the overheat warning at around the hour mark and it freaked me out! I took out the battery (genuine Sony) which was about 35-40% at this stage and replaced with a new one. This seemed to fix things and so I continued without issue for another 10-15 minutes to finish the recording. All good in the end but it was a somewhat nervous and unpleasant experience towards the end.
Waiting for my 6700 to arrive in two days. For me it is a cost, size, and weight decision. No contest.
The cost gap grows much wider when multiple lenses add much to the FF game. I prefer the EVF on the left.
Just the video I was looking for. The EVF on the A7IV is what I have come to love. I don’t like it on the side. The full frame shallow depth of field is tricky to get used to coming from APSC. I keep getting one person in focus but not the other without stopping down.
Yes - sometimes it’s harder to get more than one person in focus with those shallower depth of field. You end up stopping down to f4 or more
Great comparison Mark! Now I wonder how the Sony a7Cii will stack up to these two cameras?
Me too - if the rumours are true
Thank you so much for this video, great comparison of the pluses for each one. I happen to be rally a full frame shooter for a long time and already own the A7IV( along with some higher end Sony A7Rx and A1 body) but for small size I’ve been using the A7C. I know A rumored update of that has been talked about but the A6700 really appears to be better even though I rarely shoot video. I do have my bigger Sony GM lenses but also the Sigma I-Series small primes that I think may translate to APS-C well, I.e. 24->36, 35->52.5, 50->75, etc… so I think I’m covered and they are not that large. Thanks for your time and effort.
This is one of the best reviews on cameras I've ever seen. amazing!
Great video. From a low light perspective, I see that the A6700 sensor is no better or even worse than the old APS-C sensor from the A6500 I had in the past. I am about to receive A6700 and would have to decide what I would take on my vacation to Europe: A7IV or A6700. Weight is a strong factor here. I want it to be light, but, for a day I have, before I leave on my trip, of testing between the two I would have to make a decision and either return A6700 with Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 or take it on my trip.
A7IV with Sigma 28-70 f2.8 - 1129g FF vs A6700 with Sigma 18-55 f2.8 - 783g APSC. Difference will be felt after the whole day of walking and shooting on a gimbal.
SInce I have AdBlocker, so I am not sure if you receive any commissions after I watch your videos. So, sending you my thanks.
Interesting, how do you see that a6700 sensor is not better than the one of a6500 without direct comparison?
I have the A7iv and I'll probably get the A6700 instead. For sports, the A7iv tracks very well, but focusing is a real issue. The A6700 seems to be a huge improvement with 85% hit rate in the tests (Bernal, Northrup).
I have no focus issue with A7 IV. What focus area are you using mostly?
@@25eazi Spot tracking, face detect on, AF priority.
@@benoittissier58 Oh ok, I normaly use wide focus which locks on to the closets to the frame. If it gets crowded and i'm trying to keep focus on a specific person or player like my daughter when playing basketball. i would use spot. Once it locked on it was really rare to miss focus. It was rare for me to miss focus even on my a6400 once i locked on.
@@25eazi Wide area was a disaster, that's why I switched to spot. Tracking is not an issue at all, the green box stays where it should but when you look at the pics on the computer, plenty of them are misfocused. I tried the A6400, it's a bit worse than the A7iv in my general use, but when the subject fills the field of view, it is surprisingly good.
@@benoittissier58 The A6400 is not better than my A7 iv at focusing. i was just mentioning i was able to pull off good results. Not my experience. Wide normally grabs the closes to the frame on all sony cameras. ayee i guess it happens but when i lock on it normally nails focus on the subjects eye that i locked on to. I also try to time my shots rather than relying on burst mode.
Perfect video, you crammed a ton of info in! Thank-you so much
A6700 does seem the better choice from a cost perspective but the A7IV is a banger. Looks like I'll end up with an E-M1 mk II, OM-5 and OM-1 :P
i went with the a6700 because i do a lot of wildlife and sports work and that extra reach for cheap is a huge deal and its much cheaper of course
WOW, the 32K ISO looked so good on the a7IV! Man i have to go full frame some day but its just so dang expensive.
Better settle for a6700
Your face looks happier when it shot on A6700. Thanks for this detailed review.
got the a7iv. preordered a6700! gotta catch them all!
you're like me
Great job on the video Mark! Thanks for making it.
Now an A7C vs a6700 video and I'll be very thankful 🙏
You have a crew? With quality and rate of these videos, you're in the superhuman category if you are doing it solo. Subscribed.
nobody will hang out with me - I have no choice!!
I don't even need this video, I own a Doug and some Canon cameras, I just watch them anyway as you put me in a good mood :D
best type of person!!
The a6700 is one of the few cameras that is still on my radar for a 2nd camera. Even though I am interested in the "soon-to-be-announced" A7Cii, it's hard to look past the a6700 when it's priced at $1,398 USD. I'm betting the A7Cii will be priced closer to the FX30. The only question that remains is, which kidney can I sacrifice to the Sony Gods?
If it does come - I think it’ll be priced at $2300. Total guess - but it’ll be closer to the a7iv in price than fx30. But I have been wrong before. Maybe I’ll be wrong again someday
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Actually I think you may be closer to the price point since the A7Cii will be full frame.
I just wish Sony gave an update to the A7IV for full frame mode 4k 60! I would not think twice of getting the camera if they did.
6:25 tha ks for using the celcius scale 😅
In Germany, both cameras can be found new for almost the same price (1699€ for the a6700 vs 1800€ for the A7 IV when on discount). Plus, you can find used A7 IVs very easily.
interesting - not like that here in Canada at all
Which stores? I am from the Netherlands but I will have a holiday in Germany soon
You are the best, thank you so much. One of the reasons im still here on earth. Thank you for your service. I love your videos man.
Well - we want you around!!
Chris Nolan doing camera reviews. Nice.
I'm very tempted to go full frame but the fact is that i already have fantastic depth of field with Sigma 85 1.4, and I really don't shoot super low light enough. maybe once in a while in a bar, that's it. I'm going to wait for A7C mark 2 and see how I feel. If it's too expensive, i'll just keep my EV-Z10. It has very good autofocus already. The only thing I'm missing is wide angle sharp lens for APS-C. My dad is giving me his Leica X1, so maybe that will be my wide angle lens.
Soon, I will own both of these. Thanks for all the input and testing
Any time!
I do sports photography (cyclocross in particular) and landscape photography.
I'm undecided whether to continue with my A6700, which I'm very satisfied with, or switch to the 7-4. The 6700 satisfies me, it has phenomenal autofocus and everything else is excellent, but the 7-4 would give me greater creative control with depth of field, greater security thanks to the double memory slot and (maybe?) better ergonomics.
I have most of the lenses in full frame format (I had an A7c) and I don't consider it purely an economic issue, but only a question of safety in the photos I take (especially sports ones, since I'm studying to make it a job).
I do not know what to do!
if you want to shoot professionally, the a74 makes a lot of sense. but of course, you would get further reach out of those lenses with the a6700. you can use apsc mode with the A7iv, but you’ll be down to about 14 megapixels
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Yes. it's not a big problem with focal lengths, I've understood in recent months which ones I need and I think I can cover everything even with FF lengths. Thanks for your help!
My A6700 will arrive tomorrow!!! I'm so excited!!!!!
how did you get it so early??
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis I pre-ordered it on cameranu! And their shipment came in today
I choose the A6700
I own an A6400 and have been eager to get the A6700
Best review I’ve seen so far on the A6700
Question about Fstop and exposure between sensors: I’ve heard exposure at F 1.4 is the same regardless of full frame or APSC I notice more light in the full frame. Why do people say the same amount of light for any sensor?
I agree, the A6700 is an incredible value. I think its image looks better than the A7iV. That might be the better colours. In terms of low light, yes the A7iV picks up light better, but the image sucks anyways. Get a mini light man!
ha, I have lights - this is a stress test 😃
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Love it! Thanks for all your help on camera decisions. I decide to order the zve10 and im sure itll be great!
Glad I could help!
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Just got it today! Can't wait to use it. Thanks Mark
ty for starting with image quality
i just preordered the a6700!! cant wait!
me too!!
i had the sony a7iv and i sold it because i'm thinking about buying the sony a6700. this camera is almost the perfect camera for me and so far the ideal camera for me because it's smaller and lighter than the a7iv and i always record in 4k 60fps and with the a7iv i was getting a massive crop but with the a6700 i get no crop and 6k oversampling!!
are you worried about the image quality between the 2?
But isn’t the a6700 is already a cropped censor no matter at what frame you shoot?
@@hamroz1 basically i always record in 4k 60fps. with the a7iv i was getting a crop and there was no 7k oversampling (with 4k 30fps you get 7k oversampling). with the a6700 you get a crop if you compare it to a full frame but you get 6k oversampling. it's not only the crop factor but also overall the camera is better for me because is slightly smaller and lighter and it has the ai chip
Man same. Selling my a7iv and getting a6700 instead. For my uses it’s a better deal.
@@Kamal_Actkins what’s your use case?
Your videos are just a joy to watch
Hey Mark, thank you. I really appreciate your videos. I've been giving the a6700 vs A7IV a good think. I've been shooting with the a6300 for a number of years and I'm getting close to upgrading. I have a fair amount of apsc glass, but it's tempting to make the leap up to full frame (I went on vacation and took in the range of 12K pics, but under pressure, I often struggled to get sharpest focus with wildlife with the a6300).
By the time one factors in the $1300 CAD of the A7IV over the a6700 *and* getting new lenses, it's a lot of cheddar. It also feels like the A7IV, as good as it is, is getting just a bit long in the tooth compared to its competitors (Canon R6II, Fuji X-HS2), i.e. cropped 4K60. Still a great camera and the focus is great. But I wonder if it's better to wait some months for the A7CII (is rumored to have similar or even better specs to the A7IV) or a direct successor to the A7IV.
Yes - the rumours of the a7cii are around so if you can, you might as well wait to see if it happens
Love all your videos. Curious, how much can the lens be changing the color and image between these bodies? Is it hard to adapt to have the same lens for both?
I love watching ur videos. They r detailed and created in fun way. It’s joy to watch. I m planning to buy a new aps-c camera. Would love to see a comparison video between a6400 n a6700, if possible. Thnx. Keep up the good work
if it’s just for photos - the a6400 holds up. if you plan to shoot a lot of video, the a6700 is definitely worth it
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis thnx fr the reply.
How about comparing the a6700 vs A7III
8:36 hits the spot. damn, felt it. 😂
Great Video. Clarifies a LOT of facts...! Thanks for this Clip. Helped me with all the great Information. To answer your question at the end: I think would give the A6700 a chance. I consider to sell all of my trusty good Nikon Equipment and go for a change to Sony's new APS-C-Camera Thumbs up!
Why does the a7iv have more bokeh at 3:25??? I really would like to understand
A6700 for my opionion! It’s a beast! the exaggerated use of blur/bokeh on full frame has tired..
2:15 Sorry, saying that a 16mm 1.4 becomes a 24mm 2.1 on a crop sensor is misleading and incorrect. It becomes a 24mm 1.4 on a crop sensor. The reason the DOF is changed is because you have to reposition the camera further away to achieve the same photo with a crop camera. It is the repositioning of the camera which changes the DOF. In fact, an image from a16mm 1.4 on a crop camera will look EXACTLY like an image from a 24mm 1.4 on a full frame camera.
sure - but that doesn’t help people understand that if you stand in the same spot with an apsc camera with a 16mm 1.4 that it will look equivalent to standing in the same spot with a 24mm f2.1 in terms of field of view and depth of field. You say a 16mm 1.4 looks exactly like a 24mm 1.4 on a full frame - well, the background will be much blurrier on the full frame standing in the same spot and it’s not helpful to tell people, that it’s because the sensor size relative to distance of the subject makes the 1.4 look like a 2.1.
Hey, Mark! Great video as usual!! There is a question I have regarding the a6700 that I couldnt find the answer anywhere… Do you know if I use the Hdmi out (to a monitor for example) if it loses the face/eye detection autofocus? i know in the FX30 it retains the face AF… As it has a full sized HDMI, I wanted to know if the a6700 works the same with its micro HDMI. 😅
Yup - eye detect still works in all frame rates and codecs using hdmi
Thank you dear Mark for your videos. They are so helpful💥💥💥
Glad you like them!
Best reviewer.❤ Love from India 🇮🇳
Hey man, thanks for the video. I have a question. What do you think about the Fujifilm X-T2 for documentary movies?
Okay, I'll have to buy both. Sooooooo glad you don't review Hasselblad...
Next!!
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Careful there, handsome, you're about to lose your biggest fan (wink)
For a similar price and forgetting for a moment all the extra features, if we consider only the image quality straight out of the camera (PP0, no post)... Would you say the full frame A7C sensor and the 6700 APS-C sensor will give similar results in normal light conditions (indoors/studio)? Most of those new features are not really important for me and I'm just interested about getting the best quality for this price range.
If you don’t plan to do any colour grading they will give a similar image with PPOFF. The issue will be lenses. You can get a sigma 16mm 1.4 (what I shot this video with) for $350. To get a full frame version of that will be much more expensive. So your total cost with the a6700 and a good lens is $1750. That will be closer to $2500 for the A7C and a good lens
Feliz cuando te veo.. explicas muy bien 😊
Can you make a video comparing 8 bit video to 10 bit ? Because I saw no difference at all when I did the comparison. And you make it sounds like a big deal .I am really curious to know what I'm missing out
a lot of it has to deal with being able to use slog3 for maximum dynamic range and heavy colour grading. I’ll try to do a video on it soon
@MarkBennettCameraCrisis yeah I filmed 8 bit clip and 10 bit clip .I applied crazy strong color change .both clips were identical with bannding and everything. I really want to learn how can I take advantage of this 10 bit
'For solo shooters, make you look like you have friends which you don't 💀😭.. ' don't hit us personally lol 🥵
😂😂I’m in there too
Great review!! Can you do a6700 vs ZV-E1? Also, nice shirt!
classing it up!!
Sad we didn't get the little joystick and full HDMI on the a6700 :(
Still buying it though.
Hey Mark, appreciate your video a lot thanks. On 3:24 you compared 6700 4k60p vs a7IV 4k60 which is supposed to be a cropped sensor size the same like 6700, and then we need to multiply again both the Focal length and aperture by 1.5. But the question is why do we still get shallower DOF (more bokeh on the backgroud), when this is supposed to be the same when using cropped FF sensor area? Does that mean that 6700 also crops at even smaller area of its sensors and do not oversample from its full APC-S coverage?
nah. I'm enjoying my FX30 for video ONLY. No overheating etc...if anything I will get a used FX3 one day!
Makes sense to me, the fx30 is awesome and a workhorse
I'm trying to convince myself all the time I don't need FF, but that low light performance is just so good.
heck 102k ISO on the A7IV looks better than the 32k ISO on the a6700.
don't even want the other "advantages" of FF. shallower DOF will only cause issues lol
it is quite impressive.
Awesome video comparison !
Thanks!
No body talked about preamps ?
I can't tell any noticeable difference between the two. Both much better than the older preamps Sony used to use
The AI autofocus, video improvements and value are so high on the a6700. Both free A7IV. Money probably would still go A7IV but man tough choice.
Such a focus on video. Wasn't expecting that...
yeah - my channel is mostly video. I try to include some phtoography - but I’m not much of a photographer 🤣
Cool as always, Mark! Do you plan to make a6700 vs zv-e1 comparison as well?
yes - comic up
waiting for A7C Mark II which will be just in middle of a6700 and a7iv !
My a6600 got water damage on my last holiday, now I'm so torn between the a6700 and the a7cii I do have a ff 85mm lens and 3 crop s lenses,I don't do much low light photography but its nice to have the options, but also the price difference. Hard decision.
that is a tough choice for sure.
I would rather choose A6700 as I don't need shallow depth of field. A smaller and lighter body, with much smaller lenses, yet with focus bracketing and 900 seconds long exposure. It's indeed the king of all light travel cameras.
@@brugj03 I have in hand full frame cameras , APS-C cameras and M4/3 cameras, and I used all of them for more than ten years, so I know what gears meet my needs. Thank you for your sharing of ideas.
@@brugj03 Hat off salute, Brug. For sure, we get what we want (the desired images) with appropriate lens, knowledge and experience. FF lenses offer more possibilities when DOF is concerned. A6700, for me, is mainly a record tool for travelling. Good day.
i disagree with a7iv crop 60 fps in video disadvantage, the a6700 has a apsc crop sensor so the a7iv crops to 1.5 times or apsc mode on 4k 60fps, it is truth that the a6700 does not crop but you dont count the 1.5 times already crop apsc sensor of the a6700 so they are equal in that mode.
its just that the angle changes dramatically when going from 4k 24 to 60 on the A7IV. So there are lots of shooters who have a lens on, say, shooting a wedding, and then they want some clips of the same scene in slow motion - then it crops in 1.5 times. So in order to combat that - you have to be in APS-C crop the whole time - at that point, why not have the camera that is $1000 cheaper or the FX30
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I’ve been using an old canon rebel to record my Jiu Jitsu matches from the stands and every now and then I get out of focus. Would you be able to review the AI autofocus on constantly moving fast objects? Looking into the a6700.
a6700 is a beast for a much lower price
When I need answers I come to watch your videos! lol
Hi bro, i didnt use lense camera yet, but with in fue day i learn lot....so my question is....i start with bigneer, but with in couple of days...im going to be a professional.....so which would i chose....A6700 or A7IV
Good comparison. Thanks. I have a a6500 (about 5 years) and I have enjoyed using it. Not perfect, but as an amateur it fits my needs for family and vacation photos. Also, a lot cheaper for camera and lenses than full frame. I looked at upgrading to the a7C but could not justify the expense of going to full frame lenses. I am considering the a6700. It certainly is a big upgrade compared to my a6500. However, I lose the built-in flash (which is handy in lower light situations and I don’t have to carry around a large flash attachment) and I lose the panoramic mode which I use on my annual fishing trips into Canada. I only use jpeg photos and out of the camera videos. So I’m wondering if I should keep my a6500 and invest in more lenses or go for the a6700?
I would suggest you do the lenses. still sounds like the a6500 does what you need.
I process the video from my Sony A7 IV with the Topaz Video AI program, achieving excellent video stabilization and an absolutely smooth full-frame picture at 59.94 FPS (having converted the video using this program from 29.97 FPS). Artificial Intelligence works wonders.
nice - I’ll have to check it out
In my country, the a74 is 400$ more than the a6700. The lenses (Sony 1.8) for the a74 are 200$ whilst the 1.4 sigmas for the 6700 are 400$.
So if I buy either camera with two lenses, they’re both the same price. Which one should I get? I do 50/50 video/photo
Get the A7IV - I would
Thanks for this one!!
No worries!
Marky is the best ❤❤❤
Great video.Thanks.
Hey Mark! I have a Sony ZV e10 and i'd like to get the Helios 44M lens. Do i need a mount adapter for it?
I just want to record cinematics and b roll in 4k, which one would be better?
Mark, from your high position in anything camera, do you see improvements in sensors that will make the smaller aps-c more attractive than the heavier and more expensive alternative? Just when I think we see the end, Sony pulls out a couple of remarkable cameras, the FX-30 and the FX-30 with an EVF, aka the a6700! After a lot of photography, much of it macro or just messing around, I find the aps-c more than adequate in producing professional grade images. Now that the a6700 is a baby A7R5 with a few DNA strands from the ZV-E1, it makes me think that it is the Messiah of aps-c cameras. This will give photographers a break from the overly heavy, overly praised FF bodies. I do love my A7R3 for the things I love to do with it, like bird photography or taking pictures of that darn drone the U.S. Air Force flies over my house.
Even taking pictures of the moon is easy and I get a 300-900mm zoom with my a6600 or ZV-E10 vs, 200-600 on my FF body. Images are very close when it comes to image quality.
BTW, the little ZV-E10 is one great photo camera. I just use more powerful reading glasses to see the screen better.
apsc cameras can be great. I was just at a baseball game and they wouldn’t let me take pics with my A7iv because it was “too big”. no problem with my apsc cams
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@Mark Bennett's Camera Crisis Hey Mark. Can A6700 do 4K No crop with H265( or whatever Sony calls it) ?
Great job on the comparison video BTW.
yes. the XAVC HS codec works in 4K with no crop
Thanks for the video. Which one would you recommend? I am planning to buy one in the coming weeks, unfortunately, in India A6700 is not available at the moment. I am confused about which one to go with. Your advise is much appreciated. Thanks for your time.
If you don't need 4k120 - I would get the A7IV
Most likely, I'll go for A6700 as the AI detection is just wonderful. I haven't checked your previous videos, have you by chance made a test for "stabilisation" for videos, primarily handheld+walking?
yes, check out the a6700 review or the one a6700 Vs at-e10