BREAKING: New NBN Co Multi-Gigabit NTD Leaked! | Dirt Report
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Just an fyi, a watt is a unit of energy per unit time equal to one joule per second. So 12W does consume 12Wh per h because a Wh is one watt for one hour.
I can see thousands of people signing up to this....and plugging it into the 1G port on their netgear all in one router haha
Hahahaahhahhahbyes
1g port on most devices.
FINALLY FASTER UPLOAD FOR HFC!!!
You will still be limited to the technology type. My friend in the US with HFC is stuck with 2000/200
Stuck on HFC but still paying FTTP prices.
@@SW-lw6mt Ditched HFC NBN for Telstra 5G. Much better for me than the NBN connection was. Same price but capped (that I never reach) at $85pm
Sorry, can't help myself. W is instantaneous power (Volts x Amps) , over time it become energy (power x time) 8W for 1 hour = 8 Wh (Watt-hours)
This is great news! I currently have NBN1000/50 FTTP and a Wi-Fi 6E router with a single 2.5GbE port that can be used for LAN or WAN, with a 10GbE switch as the conneected wired backbone of my home network. I'll have to make sure my next router in a few years time is a Wi-Fi 7 with at least 2 x 10GbE ports (one for WAN and one for LAN to connect to the 10GbE switch). I don't realistically need any faster than 250mbit at the moment, but when we eventually have teenagers we'll need at least what we currently have, and 2.5gbit would be great. I honestly think 100mbit should be the miminum/slowest speed offered on NBN, since two people can struggle on 100mbit.
and providers will charge like a wounded buffalo . I cannot afford higher costs for higher speeds.
Then don't upgrade? They only really make sense to upgrade to if you're making money from it.
Things get cheaper as technology gets better. Somehow, the nbn gets slower and more expensive.
@@veneratedmortal4369 nbn is about to upgrade the 100/20 plan to 500/50 at the same price (and do similar things with the 250M and 500M plans), so actually you are getting more bang for you buck over time
50/100 is generally enough for most households still. Sure, if you're running a business with multiple employees faster is more desirable and certainly worth it but consumers paying more just to download the latest PS5 game faster is mostly unnecessary. Streaming at 50/100 should be fine even to multiple 4K TVs.
if it really is as simple as $100 for the upgraded NTD I'm very excited for this. I've been a little bit worried about loosing my multi port NTD, I've always had dreams of setting up multiple connections, with multiple ISP's for link aggregation and failover. Am I LIKLEY to do that without winning a bunch of money? no, but I like the idea of having the option :P also 10Gb as an option will be sweet too, I just recently put fiber INSIDE my house for 10Gb, and while it's for accessing my NAS, if my internet could concivebly keep up with that as well, that would be AWESOME!
Symmetrical speeds will never be realistically attainable for Aus consumers, when NBN and ISPs make it a premium sku to sell.
In NZ we call it HyperFibre .. available in 2 / 4 and 8GBit
NZ did what stupid Australia should have done by rolling out Fibre everywhere
Stupid Australia has a mixture of technologies, some pathetic, others with limitations that will probably never go away like HFC, to FTTP (which is what Australia should have rolled out everywhere)
What a waste 🤣
I love your work Pat ... now chicken soup and off to bed to ward off the lurgy.
That’s the way !
10gig symmetrical over my dead body
- Ellie Sweeney
cant even give us 1gig symmetrical let alone 10
Well, current infra supports 1Gig symmetrical, but probably Australia gets 10000/250 in future 😂.
@@Tsiikki - 10000/25
FTFY
signed,
MTM Co
I mean, didn't Vocus drop to being the same tier as TPG while she ran it..... Vocus used to be great - but now they're just expensive junk.... I can see why she got the job...
This confirms what my installer said to me earlier in the year, that NTD is good for 1gbps and my fibre is good for 2.5gbps
IIRK, NBN has successfully field trialled 25Gbps (25GSPON) on the same network that's serving other standard speed services. The fibre itself won't be the bottleneck any time soon.
It’s the protocol currently running over the fibre (GPON) that is limited to 2.44 Gbps - the fibre itself can theoretically carry multiple terabits per second. By upgrading the NTDs and the ONTs, (which is the box at the other end), any premises on NBN FTTP could have over 10 gigabits today and it’s perfectly foreseeable they could be upgraded to a 100 Gbps connection in 10-15 years if they wanted.
@@stephengentle2815 Correction;
NTD = ONT = ONU
Network Termination Device, Optical Network Terminal, Optical Network Unit.
What you're thinking of is an OLT.
Optical Line Terminal.
Which is what the ONT/NTD/ONU speaks to.
The rest is all correct though.
Really hoping to see plan prices come down as the offerings get better, instead of hopping between providers every 5 months after their introductory $10-15 p/m discount disappears.
currently in NZ you can get 8gig symmetrical, although i think we have like 4 different Fibre network providers operating on their own ONT's some Nokia, some Huawei and a one changing over to Adtran
Hmm this in old hat in NZ the 10Gb/s interface “only” delivers 8Gb/s payload, not too shabby.
That's awesome to see, I just recently got FTTP and it's great - Looking forward to the future!
It is 2024, I can get 70mbps on my FTTN copper service, in my household of 6, it is woeful, it doesn't matter what NTD they deploy if they don't have the right last mile delivery to customers, which they don't for millions of customers
Faster uploads, I can't wait!
All well and good, sounds like they've actually been building out the backbone of the network to enable such speeds. Great if you can afford it, along with these new plans in 2025, the slower speeds most people use should see a price cut, a lot of people will just keep with what they're using but it would entice users (like me) to move to a faster plan at the same price if that becomes a reality.
Agree with fibre comments, however some of us in capital cities still don’t see a horizon plan with speeds better than 30Mbps yes (FtN).
No doubt the Telstra modem/gateway to intact with the NTD will be released in 2040.
they are going to release new SMG 4 that support wifi 7
@@AKTECH2222 Ok, but I won't use it. I'd much prefer a 2.5 or 10Gbs RJ45 port so I can use my 48 port, 10Gbs switch / Cat 7 wired home network...
@@whya2ndaccount I have the new amazon eero max 7 router , as iphone 16 suppot wifi 7 we will get full 2000 mbps on the phone wow :D
Faster uploads are what's needed.
Aaaaand queue the $300 per month for 2.5gbps in 3... 2... 1...
Wholesale cost is the same as 1000/400 is currently, 1000/400 will decrease in cost in the next FY. It'll be more expensive due to the upgraded equipment cost for RSPs but not by much.
I have a Workstation and Server, both with 10Gbe ports. My current QNAP ($230 - 2x10G & 4x2.5G) may need to be replaced. Net level up (TPLink - 5x10G) is about $350. -OR- a new 10Gbe card in my Workstation talking to the server only, at only $25.
So it seems like it will be worth waiting to switch from FTTC to FTTP in order to ensure getting the new smaller NTD.
I’m still rocking FTTN. The old copper lines to the house suck. Super unreliable, slow ping times.
My suburb isn’t on the rollout map for FTTP by the end of 2025. So it’ll be 2026 or 2027 if I’m lucky. I wont hold my breath for this.
Any. Swich at that speed runs hot so be ready to stick a fan on it!!
You dont know what you are talking about shhhh
They have stipulations in the way they can be installed to deal with heat. Can't be in a enclosed space like a cupboard, minimum space around etc. The worst thing about the current boxes is the size so I'm hoping this will mean smaller boxes on walls going forward.
I was hoping the new NTDs would be easy to swap into the current enclosures at least for folks upgrading from the current to the new ones. No-one wants old holes in the wall visible beside the NTD after upgrading.
Good for some. Some parts of metro Pakenham, Skymuster only. Guarantees 25/5mbps at least once a day. NBNCO very selective.
Progress!
So our current FTTP NTDs have max down/up speeds of 1gbps?
Yes the current ones
Current ones are limited by the two PHYs present inside.
There's a managed switch chip that splits each PHY into 2 ports, likely using internal VLANs to make them act as if they're 4 seperate ports.
Source; work for an RSP, see ports fail in pairs of two ALWAYS, never a single port.
The PHYs can handle only 1Gbe.
Nice, I'll try and find out what device a friend on 10gb in Europe has installed and post on Discord.
Sounds good !
We only have HFC. I hope NBN run fiber to all of Australia soon.
It appears most HFC customers cant upgrade to fibre yet, it appears the FTTN customers will be first in line for the upgrade.
@@hunterkiller5864 thanks for information
Awesome awesome news. But…about flamin time hey. And single port, are they serious 🧐?! Omg. Unless we go for a business plan where they can slug us even more dollars. I think it’s $164 a month I am paying now for gigabit fttp. I can only imagine what it’s gunna cost us all.
Thanks 🙏 heaps for the info though. So awesome to know there’s a light at the end of the tunnel. lol.
So why cant we utilise the current modem and bridge connections ie 400/400?
I assume you’ve seen the 10 Gbps NBN Enterprise Ethernet NTD? If not I can hit you up with some pics (it’s actually just a plain rackmount Nokia unit, not even custom branded).
Absolutely mate, flick me an email on patryk@techmanpat.com
Thanks for the news and review!
Not sure of having a copper 10GBASE-T port in Australia is a wise choice.
My experience of dealing with 10GBASE-T, you need active cooling and airflow otherwise things get HOT! (Potential to burn little hands and cause fires)
A wiser decision would of been offering a Nokia NTU with a SFP+ for the second variant.
That would depend on the hardware. I know older intel 10Gge pci cards get toasty, but the newer ones built on a smaller node are much better.
I knew it this video will go viral ! 2.5 K views already :)
Yea mate all thanks to you ! Haha
i been searching for that article for the last few weeks but i wonder how calix will go with this
Thank god i turned down the dodgy nbn installer trying to botch my FTTN install to my house last week.
NBN installers are a nightmare.
Considering that future speed increase, what would be the best wifi router to be used (it would require mesh because the house is 240m2)
Thank you
I don't think some people even have it at all?
Fibre is the best? Wow who would have thought… tony Abbott Dutton and friends ….
Turnbull famously said 12 and 25Mbps would be enough for consumers at an event I attended in Armadale, WA.
Fibre is the best but it is expensive and slow to build. They would still be building a FTTP-NBN if no changes were made meaning people would be on ADSL until the NBNCo truck came through your suburb. Plus we would be paying double what we are paying now.
Any news regarding 5G being used on ‘Fixed Wireless’ in some rural areas to increase speeds?
Yeah so I had my satellite updated Tuesday I'm in the Wimmera and I found leaptel is the only ISP offering faster than 100. I'm currently on their fastest plan 400/40 $89 a month for the first 12 months then it goes to $99. I genuinely can't find another ISP offering faster than 100 for fixed wireless. It's fairly volatile sometimes it's only about 380 but other times it exceeds 500. Despite being supposedly capped at 400
@@bobtailsquid cheers. I’d be luck to get 60/10 on Telstra. We are considering Star Link but if the NBN tower can provide 5G via a relay, we might stay. Our phones don’t get 5G otherwise we’d go just go wireless… dunno. Shitty networks. It’s a seriously growing area just south west of Geelong, so it might improve.
@@boofex1 I'm in Minyip a town of less than 500. Horsham is the closest real town & that's 40 minutes away. We only got 5G for mobile in November. Apparently it uses 5G. 5G is basically what it is.
@@bobtailsquid ok. Maybe ours does but it’s just split between thousands of homes. It’s the Mount Duneed Tower
@@boofex1 right, my Tower is less than 600m away and has direct line of sight
when is NBN co going to reduce their costs overall, NZ fibre is a lot cheaper even with speeds up to 8gbit now.
Very excited 😜
I Feel that Opticomm should just give their estates to NBN they are just better
Will the end user (us) be suckered into paying for this upgrade? This is part of the network infrastructure isn't it and should be NBN Co's responsibility?? I think I know the answer but thought I'd look silly whilst making a very passive protest.
Always enjoy your content mate, if you or anyone knows the answer, please let us all know.
It enables them to make more money from you every month going forward, and should just be a swap out of the old NTD for the new one. I suspect they'll try to reduce the barrier to entry as much as possible.
It'll be a free upgrade when you order a higher-speed plan, once released.
Much like V3 WNTD to V4 WNTD on Fixed Wireless, with the new plans coming out to areas with fully upgraded towers with 5G.
@@iamdave84 thank you, I hope you’re correct!! I feel this should be absorbed by the network supplier. Ultimately these NTD boxes will fail and having the option for home owners or even those who rent to simply request an upgraded device will bring benefits to end users and those ISP’s who sell us NBN services.
@@PupNuggs truely hope you’re correct mate, I’m currently on the highest available speed plan and am hoping to have a higher speed plan or at the very least one which offers a symmetrical speed. At the moment a higher upload speed means more to me for the workloads I deal with. 50 Megabit a second is lacking. Thanks for the info.
This image of the modems doesn't show anything about an NBN service of 2.5Gbs or 10Gbs. You mention ports on modems that operate at that speed but if the service is is only going to be 500 up 200 downs then standard 1Gbit networking would handle it.
There are new plans coming with 2Gbit speeds, hence the new NTDs
Today we jut got new nbn fixed wireless install nokia a-040p-p mdu and nokia 5G23A antenna speeds now are 457.56mbps down up 8.77mbps
Just got my fiber installed (switched from fttc). Took a while for rsp and nbn to enable said service. Hopefully these upgrades come with improved software/communication between nbn and rsps. Honestly is the biggest hurdle right now for nbn.
Big T?
Big T
That hurdle you mention is specific to that ISP
Still waiting for the message that the service is switched over. SMH it was done on Thursday 12/09. Big T
My FTTP install went smooth as butter, there were a few complications with the conduit in the street but they communicated it all well, got it resolved, then came back another day and got it all swapped over. Very minimal downtime, like an hour or two.
Yeah thx NBN. Nothing for upgrading FTTB. It's the slowest ever.
I am 2.5G ready network wide with an Omada router....... bring it on! Gigabit is so slow
So the NTD can do 10Gbps over the wire, but the Ethernet port is still at 2.5Gbps, I'm not complaining, just making the observation.
The ethernet port can do 10gbps, it says it in one of the slides
@@tomc5165 the spec sheet for the Nokia does, thanks.
so with the future single NTD upgrade, does this mean switching ISPs will be seamless?
It mostly is currently, as long as you don't screw yourself by cancelling your existing service while an AVC Connect Transfer order is in place.
If you do so, you have to wait 24hrs for a normal AVC Connect order to be placed, usually manually, as the SQ needs to update with the port being Available.
@@PupNuggs But the churning process...when I churned from ABB to Superloop last year, no longer than 24minutes. with the current system I had to move to the new uni-d port on my modem but with the single port modem that they'll be rolling out next year...I wonder how that would work?
Gbs Ha ha ha
Meanwhile upgrades in WA allow speeds perhaps over 100 Mb
I hope this comes to my suburb
I'm no expert but is it possible to bypass the supplied NTD and connect the fibre directly to your homelab server i.e. make you're own custom NTD? I'm guessing you'd have to also know or find out the configuration settings and whatnot in order to make it work.
@@nocillis I’m going to assume you’ve not dealt with fibre before. generally your computer/switch/router will have SFP ports, you then stick the right type of module in the port (which has the correct optics and wavelengths. It could also be an RJ45 module for your traditional Ethernet cable) and plug your fibre into the module.
GPON (the standard NBN FTTP uses) SFP modules exist, so theoretically yes but in reality no as there would be some registration/other configuration on the NTDs that NBN wouldn’t likely tell you
@@harrisony Thank you answering my question. Yeah I am a green thumb to Fibre and this is my first ever homelab server im building and im even though i got myself a 2 port 10Gbe RJ45 nic module for my server, I am tempted to get another 2 port 10Gbe nic but with SFP+AOC instead so i can untilise the 2 ports on my switch. But that Fibre going into the NBN modem looks tempting :D But yeah figured there would be an issue with regards configuration restraints of directly connecting to the NBN.
Interesting - i have enterprise ethernet with 250mb up and down operating through single mode fibre to a nokia rack mount ntd. Im coming up to the end of my 3 year contract at $560 mth. Guess what happens when the 3 years ticks over - no reduction in service price including the multi thousand dollar break contract penalties that originally funded the no cost installations.
Symetrical data is reliable but really isnt needed in most use cases - in your zoom call you are not uploading to each party receiving the call - only to the service provider. Gaming may be different - ive never tried it. Im now looking for a superfast fttp connection to move to on a month to month connect as i cant afford enterprise ethernet if i get a chance to retire from business. It will be interesting to see if they reuse the existing fibre or in typical nbn form rerun domestic grade fibre at a far higher cost.
Would be nice if we can directly-connect to the fibre using our own SFP NTD.
This would create a lot of compatibility issues I think
Look up "NBN Smart Places". The service exists but it's marketed toward connected things like EV chargers, public wifi, smart signage, etc.
If I understand correctly, NBN supplies the SFP and fibre up to an openable enclosure in the closest pit, and the end user handles the rest.
@@TechManPat Nah... We are allowed to do this with commercial connections... Just not Resi... Apparently...
I mean - I'm doing it now, but it's frowned upon.
no way NBN is doing symmetrical here in this decade.. EE only..
So here's a HUGE problem with only being allowed to have a single port for residential.
Problem 1.
Many people who work from home & have fiber with a multi port NTD actually have 2 activated ports.
One they pay for, for thier own personal use.
And
A second activated port paid for by the employer for WFH company use.
Second problem.
There are many areas of NSW where there is only 1 fiber going to an NTDCon a sub divided block & for many reasons NBN will not run run separate fibers to the other dwellings on the sub divided block & so the answer is to activate the other ports on the "current" NTD, allow the owners of the other dwellings to choose thier provider & cable of wireless from the original NTD to the other dwellings.
"If" these residential dwellings are forced to go to the new single port NED'S there's going to be a lot of unhappy NBN customers.
It said on the slide you can pay an extra $100 for the multi port version
Odd, makes no sense to use two connections. You should be using VPN anyway for company stuff.
@@Tsiikki agreed, this seems like a SUPER niche situation.
@@anaestheticsalso you get the multi port one if you have multiple services. Listen to what Pat said
Just buy the multiport one for $100 then.
Gee 10gbps, how long has that been available in NZ? What about 2000/2000 or even 4000/4000 and what's the price they pay again? Their 1000/400 is cheaper than out 100/20. nbn Co is a far king joke.
Do these have a VOIP port, that is a "landline" phone port for people that what that ( My 87yo dad ) or can I buy ome to plug into the house's network hub that I set up. At the moment using the "internet provider's" locked modem, Set up the network long before NBN, only upgraded as needed.
Don't have FTTP here yet. unlikely for the old bloke to pay for higher speeds ( "I don't use the internet" while streaming the "free channels" ABC's iview etc including Sky propaganda channel ).
Isn't a shame that the original cost, ( it wasn't cheaper, quicker to install etc ), can now get ripped out to put in what should have been put in. ( ending that rant for now )
I think for all ISPs now, the home phone connects to the router rather than the NTD, so this shouldn't be a problem even if new NTD has no port for phone.
An Analogue Telephone Adaptor (ATA) such as the Grandstream HT801 should do what you need (plugged into the network switch), if the ISP doesn’t provide a router with a VoIP port.
The current FTTP NTDs have UNI-V ports, however it's a retired service from NBNco and was rarely if ever at all sold by RSPs.
It's easier in the provisioning process to just spin up a SIP line and provision the Modem/Router with VoIP capabilities than have to do funky things with NBNco to provision a UNI-V port, cause if anything breaks it's not as easy to troubleshoot as we have ZERO access to config of the NTD.
Can you let us know how to get the upgrade
As soon as I figure it out I will too
I have been 2 streets away from FttP for over 4 years on terrible upload.
Can't wait to see how the monetize this much bandwidth.
2.5g but i'm sure they'll find a creative way to give us dataload caps which no where else in the world has.
Interesting as Chorus here in NZ already has 2 and 4 gig ones available on its fibre network depending on the ISP having some other gadget installed in the area. Tuatahi Fibre have it available here in the Waikato but the ISP has to have their gadget installed locally. Fyi. Laurie. NZ.
Can't wait
I will skip it. The extra cost will outweigh the benefit.
Lowe Way
Im still paying $80 for my 50 vdsl fttn. Its pointless our communistic government even having new technology. I used to pay about $50 for my 20 adsl.
1gb fiber should be like $20 a month by now. Imagine what people could do with that.
I'm betting Starcraft will still lag
wow dose me no good on nbn wifi
Yeah its all BS. The majority of the nation is still on Telegraph lines. Fkn Wnkrs at LNP need jailing for such outright harm to the taxpayers money and most importantly.. time and missed opportunity.
You mean Fixed Wireless? WiFi is usually internal to your home and uses 2.4/5/ and now 6GHz frequencies. Fixed Wireless is a cellular technology. They're different so I'm assuming you mean Fixed Wireless - you have an antenna pointing at an NBN tower.
Speed is not for free.
Lueilwitz Plaza
All well and good after I sell off my kidney
Affordability is the biggest issue NBN need to address compared with services in other countries. People are complaining about the cost of living more than needing ultra high speed internet.
I'd be just happy to get close to what I pay for (on fibre) I regularly get 15Mbps when I'm paying for 250Mbps/25
So they're giving up on the Uni-V ports entirely now?
Are you speaking of UNI-V? Like, for Voice/Landline?
If so, yes. They gave up and retired that years ago.
You can no longer order new services on it, and the existing ones are slowly being migrated where possible.
@@PupNuggs sorry, yes. I know it wasn't popular since RSP's just ran their own in band VoIP, but I didn't know it outright got scrapped.
Cool
😂😅🤣We are only 20 years behind the world , breaking news u say lol it’s a joke.
Nice
Breaking news? From Whingepool? Well I never. 😄
This was all blah blah blah blah announcements until SYMMETRICAL... that would be a revolution in the NBN world - however it means politically, they'll have to get out of the mindset of separating customers into 'buckets' via upload speeds. 1000/50? What the hell is 50 upload? That's bullshit. There is soooooo much available bandwidth for ISPs in the upstream direction - because they all pay for symmetrical links that its just about free to offer more.
Haha yes…
Perhaps to stop reselling your connection to your neighbours?
We can only hope this will change. It’s such nonsense what they do now - I’m not sure if it’s because the LNP hired a bunch of people with mindsets stuck in the early-2000s to run NBN Co (who are still there), or because NBN Co felt they needed to hobble the better technologies to try and make the dreadful FTTN and FTTC not look so bad… Maybe a bit of both…
@@stephengentle2815 NBNCo just went with what was reality for ADSL and stayed with it. It made sense when you had a long copper loop with lots of loss to prioritise downloads over uploads - essentially using more buckets for downloads.
These days, there's VERY little requirement for this - as we're not trying to shove as much as possible down a 3-4 km long phone line.
The mindsets haven't changed from when this was a reality of physics - and it continues to this day as "Well, its just always been like this"...
It doesn't HAVE to stay this way, but NBNCo now use this to separate business and home plans - where they can charge businesses much more just for opening up that upstream tap just a little bit more...
Probably going to need 2.5 Gbps down to be "allowed" to have 100Mbit up… sigh
typical NBN " look new Multi-Gigabit NTD pleas ignore the extra shit network that wont be able to provide for this fancy new device" they did this to use Fixed Wireless people "hay look new Fixed Wireless 5g tech its gonna be faster. hay look your new Fixed Wireless Superfast upgrade is done enjoy" yea its not faster at all and its dropping in and out now. and the ombudsman well I would say their doing jack all but there's nothing at all did they remove the ombudsman job all together i don't even get the typical bot reply.
This is being rolled out because the Digital ID (Social Credit System) and the Tote Coins (CBDC's) will need instant confirmation with Government servers for Aprovals.
No doubt it will be another excuse to screw Australians with grossly overpriced unreliable internet.
I will skip it. The extra cost outweighs the benefit. I have to say my Internet is reliable and I am with iinet since the early 2000.
100%
The original plan was Perfection.
FTTP, everywhere feasibly possible.
Then LNP came in, Turnbull was the Communications Minister, and he dreamed up Multi-Technology-Mix while sucking on a glass pipe and stated "It'll save money!" and everybody bit the bullet because of him.