Conduit Bending: How To Use Setback Correctly.
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- In this video I will educate you on how to find the setback to any size conduit and type bender.
This is a process that you can do when you first step up to a hand bender, electric bender, and/or hydraulic bender. You should chart your bender if you never used that particular bender before. Find the Gain exactly how the video explains it. After finding the gain you can figure out the Setback.
The setback is used to give you a reference point for the back of the 90 stub this way you can lay out a kick or any other bend you may want to do.
SETBACK = Take up - Gain
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You’re the man! Thank you for the videos. I just subscribed to you. I just started my conduit class through the IBEW and you are definitely making me understand this better. Keep it up brother! Thank you and God Bless you for life 🙏
That's what I'm here for. Anyone that is seriously wanting to deeply understand how to bend this is the channel for you. You have a few channels that will briefly show you how to do a specific bend but some people need or want more than that, they need to understand it and that's where I come in. Thanks for watching and commenting. Please let your friends at school know about the channel I would greatly appreciate it.
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First-year apprentice here. Didn't understand why or when you would use setback. This clarified it. My understanding is that when bending RMC it's crucial to understand this (as well as gain) because you have to cut the conduit to length, thread the ends, and lay out your marks before you start bending so there's no room for error. And when using a mechanical or electric bender it's impractical to take the conduit out to measure again for your kick mark so you gotta do it this way. Valuable information I appreciate the help man.
I couldn't agree more. What i used to do when I first started learning all about conduit bending was I would use these principles on emt as well even though i didn't have to. Just to get more practice with it before i actually had to try it on RMC. Thanks for watching and most of all for commenting.
This is the right way to do it 👍. I've cheated a bit here and there in cases where it's not too critical but if something has to be dead on the methods he's showing here should get you there if followed correctly. You've also got to account for threads with Ridgid pipe. Good info! Good presentation man 👍
@lauratanner8475 you have to account for how much your emt sticks into fittings as well, so same rule applies.
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Can you make a video about everything about rmc and how to use a greenlee 555 bender
I will try
I understand using setback for needing to put a kick or offset at a certain point from the back of your stub side but what if u need a kick or even a 90 from the back or your tail side
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nice video. Do you have a video on how to find travel?
When you say travel do you mean the offset travel or the travel it takes to make a specific bend
@@TheArtOfConduitBending the travel to make a specific bend.
Now I know what you trying to do. Listen all the multipliers for every degree of bend is going to give you the travel for offsets.
Example let's say you want a
5 inch offset to come off the floor and go over an object ok.
And we using 30° bends. So to find the travel it's
30 ° multiplier is 2
So....
5 inch offset x 2 = 10 inch travel between bends.
Now if you want to the different types of multipliers then I can help you with that. Just join my discord community group and post questions in the conduitology 101 room i answer them every day.
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Kick are essentially offsets, where does the multiplier factor in. So if you wanted a 20” kick are we assuming that you are using a multiplier of 2 and bending at the 30degree? Just so I’m clear.
Thanks for sharing
Your welcome
You’re awesome and thank you for doing all these videos. But I don’t understand what you mean by the take up ? Are you talking about the deduct of the particular bender you use to bend the 90? I saw how you calculated the gain , but then you subtracted that from
The take up ? That’s the part I don’t understand. You said the take up was 6” so you are referring to the deduction you used to bend the 90 on that hand bender ?
Yes that's correct the take-up is the correct name for it also known as deduction. You criticize on TH-cam if you don't do everything right. Lol. Anyway thanks for watching my videos I personally appreciate it. Thanks again. Also I have my own communities on Discord which is the best way to contact me also on LinkedIn and Facebook.
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@@TheArtOfConduitBending Thanks bro , glad I found your channel
@@Enginerr82 glad I could help.
Is that Mark for a kick for a kick from center mark or arrow?
So what if you Wana bend a kick on the stub end to get into a body? Could you just bend the kick and add the set back to the mark for the 90? Kuz if you bend a kick into before a 90 isn't there shrink?
No I don't believe you can do that and have it work accurately. As far as the shrink goes the setback has nothing to do with that. You still need to account for any shrinkage there will be. Setback is just used for layout purposes.
Very helpful brotha thank you
Glad it helped
so what happened to the gain for the length of the conduit when you bent the 90. I think the gain for Ideal benders is 3 7/16 and the setback is 2 9/16. I'm wondering because, if I make a 12" stub, and I deduct 6" for the take up and from the back of the 90 I need to go 3.5 feet to a coupling or box, how does the gain and the setback come into play? Because I gained 3 7/16 of an inch on the 90 but my setback is 2 and 9/16 of an inch. Because the set back is a reference point from the deduct mark for the back of the 90, so if I'm gaining 3 and 7/16ths of an inch and my setback is 2 and 9/16ths of an inch, how do I use those to help me figure the distance from the back of my 90 to my coupling or box? Great video!
Wow that was a lot to take in. Setback= gain - take up. Every bender can have a different gain because not every radius on the bender is equal. Now the way you use gain is ONLY to figure out total length of conduit needed for example to make a 12" stub and a leg of 50" you would add the stub and leg and subtract the gain and that's your total length needed. Setback as you said is just a reference point of the back of 90 and helps only when you want to lay out a 90 with say a kick or offset. You can lay it out all at once if you know where the back of 90 will be. Sorry I hope this helps. This is a topic that needs to be answered in person best.
@@TheArtOfConduitBending okay, so my overall length is my stub minus the deduct and the distance for my length from the back of the 90 minus the gain?
@@TheArtOfConduitBending ok so I have a 12" stub like you say, and I deduct for my bender minus 6" say I'm using 3/4". my leg or distance from the back of 90 to my coupling is 50" like you said. 6 inches for my deduct; do I measure 50" minus gain from my reference point?
@@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736 No. If you want to figure out total length. 1). Measure your stub from the end of conduit to the back of 90. That's your stub. 2). Measure your leg which is opposite of the stub. Same thing measure from the end of the leg to the back of your 90. 3). Add your stub and leg measurements and subtract the gain. I'm assuming you know how to find the gain. It's as simple as that. Gain is used to find the total length needed which is helpful when you want to say cut and bend box sets and then bend your 90s or if you are bending rigid conduit.
@@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736 the deduct has nothing to do with the calculation.
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You can also use setback so you can measure a long 90 and bend on the “star” if you’re using an electric bender or bending rigid or IMC
I don't get it. You'll need to explain yourself a little better.
@@TheArtOfConduitBending I think he may be referring to bending a ninety with the star where you wouldn't have to worry about the take up just the setback. I'm not sure tho 🤔
To clarify for anyone reading this. You’re imitating the star notch on a hand bender. If you need the back of the ninety at 100” measure the 100” then add your setback and that’s your front of shoe
@@henryhelland997 that is front of shoe and not the "arrow" mark?
What if you want a 90 at a certain measurement from the back of your tail
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Awesome videos
thank you
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Hey Holmz, do you happen to know how to find the shrinkage when doing a 90 with a kick?
Ok so i'm not sure if you want to know the total length you need for a 90 with a kick. Or if you want to know the gain and the shrink of the 90 and kick together. Or if you just want the shrink of the kick. Either way you need to be more specific i haven't posted a video yet of finding the shrink of kicks yet. But i do have a couple of video's on gain and shrink and how they work. you can find it on my "multiple bends" playlist. Hope this helps.
I'm about to do a video on this topic @brandonS
The video on calc. Shrink for kicks is posted. Thanks
Are you bending a 10” kick at 30degrees? Is that why you marked it at 20”?
No its just am example kid. This about teaching you how to find and use "SETBACK"l.
He is showing you how to accurate calculate and mark the kick before actually bending the first 90.
@@illestofdemall13 i couldn't find your comments do ireplied here. For the 3 point saddle use this method better save you time. th-cam.com/video/0Ps5G9wQdls/w-d-xo.html
And to learn how to put the 30 deg mark on your bender go to this video about 30mins into the video
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The kick mark is bent at your center mark of the bender correct? Whether it’s 30 45 etc?
Yes and No. If you are doing the measured method yes use the center mark Star or notch is fine. But if you are doing the degree method where you are using the offset multipliers then you need to find the exact center to the degree you are using. I have video's on finding the center and i have video's on the degree method.
How do I figure out how to do parallel kick 90s that are already installed with wire in them ? So u have any videos?👋🍻
I don't understand. So what you want to add to existing parallel kicks?
Yes. One is already made on my job and we are trying to match the 90 and the kick
Well not exactly match it but parallel one next to it.
Please get a better mic. Everything you're saying is valuable and we need all your information. Thanks for helping us!
I deeply apologize. Ill look into getting a good mic.
@@TheArtOfConduitBending Don't apologize. You are great. Thanks for helping us.
Maybe you should buy him one. :)
Does it matter the high of the kick ?
No it doesn't.
@@TheArtOfConduitBending thank you !
@@sebastiancardona938 you are welcome my brother.
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Hi Holmz, how take up is 6 . Please explain me. Thanks
Take up is 6 for 3/4" pipe. That's just what it is.
Conduit or pipe?
Conduit
I'm wondering the degrees ? 10, 22.5. 30 0 45? What about the shrink?
Not sure what you're asking me?
Morning Brother
Off set did we need any measurements l'm need ' help for that's
I don't understand what you are asking me. Sorry my brother.
Is the gain the same on all Klein benders?
It should be as long as it's the same size pipe. Larger pipe sizes have larger radiuses and different gain values.
@@KLAWNINETY Great video question was 90 degree bend made at the arrow, hook-end, or the star?
Yes it should be. but the iron and aluminum shoes i believe are different.
sorry i missed this comment my brother. it was done on the arrow.
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Invest money on a good wireless microphone & less bragging about yourself, less unneeded talk.
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