At the very start, a lot of people miss this. Why this J4 actually ended up helping Lee Sin, is because he put Lee's camps on respawn timers for him. Allowing this early game monster to go do a gank midlane at level 3. And the reason why it would have been worse if Lee did this, had J4 not invaded... is that his camp timers would become horribly misstimed, and his higher level camps would not be respawning as fast. Now Jarvan kind of did his early game chores for him. This sort of invade would be more effective against evelyn, nocturne, Teemo (newly popular jungler) etc. champs that only really come online after level 6 with a very powerful ultimate. You would be delaying that powerspike. And as a stronger pre-6 champ you could invade again as his first rotation of camps is respawning etc.
I think it would be way more useful if you watched replays from mostly just a single person's perspective. its way too difficult to make assumptions about the enemy jungler across all elos, so i find it hard to take your advice when you're giving it with full information. it could be useful to understand your thought process rather with imperfect information.
Also the advice he gives in the first feew minutes is just plain bad. The only thing he is correct about is you shouldn’t lvl1 invade if you are learning the game sinc its too volatile and yes after the bue jarvan should go to enemy bot side and trade lvl 1 camps for the fresh ones
Since the changes to jungle a season ago I only invade to gank and then think about stealing camps and only if I can fast clear OR if other jungler lvl 3 ganks top or bot and I can quickly punish by stealing camps. Otherwise it is useless you are wasting time and camp spawn quick enough for the other jungler to catch up because you waste time walking back to your jungle.
What I don't understand is the hate for the invasion play at the beginning. Sure it ended up being equal because Lee got the kill midlane, but obviously invading != enemy jungler gets kill. So why even do it is because in 2/3 scenarios Lee would be left with part of a quadrant less. Am I thinking of this wrong?
because jarvan is weaker than leesin early, you cant just expect your enemy jg to be bad because a good leesin would abuse that invade 9/10 times. plus fullclear is better and safer. the main 'hate' is because jarvan totally messed it up in every way possible
When j4 runs from bot side into lee on red buff (lvl 4). That is a gamble, but a lot of jglers in diamond would have taken bot scuttle and then rotate into ur own own lvl 2 camps from bot to top. So maybe he thought that as well?
Invading lvl one is terible if you are learning the game yes but everything up untill the blue buff play was incredibly good. Saying lee sin got the kill cause he had nowhere to be is incredibly wrong (yes presure is important and leaving the camps does actually create a form of pressure in that scenario) because if his teammate is not dogshit he doesent die to that gank (and yes i understand creating pressure alleviates pressure from your bad teammates making it harder for them to fuck up) than when lee comes to the blue jarvan gets a kill and sets him back cause he can still farm while lee sin has to rotate to the enemy topside. Saying that lee and j4 h Ave the same farm and the same gold is bad is just sad cause its not actually what is happening Since you forget the important part of lee sin being extremely strong in the early game.there is more shit i can say about this but just garbage advice sinc he is building up a Narrative for a video. Sad mentality
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read this as "the SINGLE Taric That Will Stop You Sucking At Jungle". Still a good video despite the lack of gems.
God damnit, the title was RIGHT there!
Pretty sure taric would keep me sucking in jungle
@@tender0828 Ayooo 💀
I was going to comment the same thing 😂
My hopes were crushed when i saw no taric in the video
At the very start, a lot of people miss this. Why this J4 actually ended up helping Lee Sin, is because he put Lee's camps on respawn timers for him. Allowing this early game monster to go do a gank midlane at level 3. And the reason why it would have been worse if Lee did this, had J4 not invaded... is that his camp timers would become horribly misstimed, and his higher level camps would not be respawning as fast. Now Jarvan kind of did his early game chores for him.
This sort of invade would be more effective against evelyn, nocturne, Teemo (newly popular jungler) etc. champs that only really come online after level 6 with a very powerful ultimate. You would be delaying that powerspike. And as a stronger pre-6 champ you could invade again as his first rotation of camps is respawning etc.
I think it would be way more useful if you watched replays from mostly just a single person's perspective. its way too difficult to make assumptions about the enemy jungler across all elos, so i find it hard to take your advice when you're giving it with full information. it could be useful to understand your thought process rather with imperfect information.
Also the advice he gives in the first feew minutes is just plain bad. The only thing he is correct about is you shouldn’t lvl1 invade if you are learning the game sinc its too volatile and yes after the bue jarvan should go to enemy bot side and trade lvl 1 camps for the fresh ones
As a plat-emerald level jungler, I found this video extremely helpful. Thank you sir.
Since the changes to jungle a season ago I only invade to gank and then think about stealing camps and only if I can fast clear OR if other jungler lvl 3 ganks top or bot and I can quickly punish by stealing camps. Otherwise it is useless you are wasting time and camp spawn quick enough for the other jungler to catch up because you waste time walking back to your jungle.
once again, watching your vids more than playing the game. :D
What I don't understand is the hate for the invasion play at the beginning. Sure it ended up being equal because Lee got the kill midlane, but obviously invading != enemy jungler gets kill. So why even do it is because in 2/3 scenarios Lee would be left with part of a quadrant less. Am I thinking of this wrong?
because jarvan is weaker than leesin early, you cant just expect your enemy jg to be bad because a good leesin would abuse that invade 9/10 times. plus fullclear is better and safer. the main 'hate' is because jarvan totally messed it up in every way possible
When j4 runs from bot side into lee on red buff (lvl 4). That is a gamble, but a lot of jglers in diamond would have taken bot scuttle and then rotate into ur own own lvl 2 camps from bot to top. So maybe he thought that as well?
I'd like more of these
Im so early, i feel special
Forat
Why not Borat?
Invading lvl one is terible if you are learning the game yes but everything up untill the blue buff play was incredibly good. Saying lee sin got the kill cause he had nowhere to be is incredibly wrong (yes presure is important and leaving the camps does actually create a form of pressure in that scenario) because if his teammate is not dogshit he doesent die to that gank (and yes i understand creating pressure alleviates pressure from your bad teammates making it harder for them to fuck up) than when lee comes to the blue jarvan gets a kill and sets him back cause he can still farm while lee sin has to rotate to the enemy topside. Saying that lee and j4 h
Ave the same farm and the same gold is bad is just sad cause its not actually what is happening
Since you forget the important part of lee sin being extremely strong in the early game.there is more shit i can say about this but just garbage advice sinc he is building up a
Narrative for a video. Sad mentality