I know this review is 2 years old...but I want to give a huge shout out to the LevelHike Saturn cable. I just love mine, looks much better on my 42" LED tv in Game mode than the Saturn does on a CRT via composite. The colors really pop, and polygons are much more crisp. An absolute winner for $30. Would I love to have a RetroTink someday, sure! But that's $300, literally ten times the price. And with FrameMeister going for over a grand nowadays, well, there's just no comparison.
Retrotink is a better device than the Framemeister, has less input lag, there is a Retrotink Mini that is $90 that maxes out with S video if RGB isn't a priority.
I'd not seen that Levelhike had made one for the Saturn. I've got one for my PS1 arriving tomorrow. I've opted for the Rad2x for the Saturn instead. It cost me £60, but I'm not getting it until January. It's nice to see that there's other options though. I've already got HD upscalers for my Dreamcast and N64, and my Levelhike PS1 upscaler is arriving tomorrow. It's somewhat ironic, considering the Saturn has always been my favourite, that I've waited so long to acquire one for it!
My crt tv died on me a couple of days ago and now I'm looking for another unit. The one I used the Saturn with I hooked up using the s video output but I haven't found any on sale that have that output so getting this would probably help me in the near future. Thank you Sega lord x!
You’re about the only youtuber that has an opinion that isn’t bought. That alone makes this worth it. Also, I’m ready to plug my Saturn in again for the first time in ages and a $30 entry to HD is perfect. Thanks.
I have this levelhike adapter and I really like it. I paired it with a SEIKI U-vision upconverter HDMI cable and it really helps and improves the image by alot.
Sega LordX! You’re always the first stop when I have SEGA related questions or want to check reviews. Aplomb! Have you tried the Levelhike in combo with the MClassic? My only trouble with the mclassic is knowing if I should select “green light” or “blue light.” Hard to find any answers. But using both in tandem, what do you think? I have original Saturn hardware and a Vizio 65” m657-G0 4k/UHD, HDR 10+ QLED TV and I LOVE IT! :)
Honestly, I'm glad this device exists. While the Framemeister looks really sharp and high-res, it also never ever looked like that on a CRT TV or monitor. I actually think, looking at this device, it looks a lot more like you would've experienced these games in the past.
I had the level hike and it was the best budget HDMI cable for the Saturn. I went through 2 of them and when the second messed up i got the RetroScaler2x. I run an S-video cable into it and then run that through my MClassic and set it to retro mode which outputs the image in 4:3 at 1440p to my gaming monitor. Usually the RetroScaler2x is around $80 or $90, i found it on Aliexpress for $35 though. I think on a smaller budget for whats currently on the market the RetroScaler2x + mClassic is the best combination. I would like to see it compared with still screenshots and moving gameplay against both the Level Hike and the Framemeister to see how it stacks up. Anyways i enjoyed the video, i love all your content, thanks.
For anyone wondering, I have the Pound HDMI cable and it is about the same quality as this one EXCEPT is does NOT have the 16:9 vs 4:3 switch. Also, it seems to have a little bit of motion blur... So it looks like the level hike is a better cheap HDMI device than the Pound.
At the end of the day, I’m more concerned about how these types of devices compare to original hook ups than I am to how they compare to products that aren’t even manufactured anymore. Thank you for taking the time to address *both* ends of that argument.
I mean, if the Saturn is your only retro system and you don't want to pay the extra money it's a good but. Really though, anyone who games these days with these older consoles might as well do it the right way and use the SCART/HDMI upscaler, but one doesn't need to spend the bread in a Framemiester. The $30 upscaler will do.
Re Sound: Apparently years ago the pin out for the AV connector was put online and they got the sound channels mixed up and it seems that was the genesis reference point of all (well most) Saturn AV pinouts. It's supprising that this error isn't picked up on products testing. While understandable on the dirt cheap cables you would think more dedicated products would have this error ironed out.
@@SegaLordX Does the unit look like it's easy to open, with screws preferably? If so it's probably possible to desolder the incoming wires and resolder them the right way round. Not that it should be a problem for users to fix... but for those with the capability it's an option. Hopefully it is something the makers fix in an updated batch. Curse that original pin out diagram that got it wrong!!!
It's a simple box to open. I took it apart to check that it had the RGB coming into the PCB. You could definitely fix the audio issue yourself. Levelhike should have the issue fixed soon.
@@SegaLordX Did you highlight the issue to them? Did they specifically say to you that they will fix the issue? The cable probably isn't really worth me getting. Being in the UK I have fairly easy access to Scart cables, most of which are RGB as standard. That said, for the right price it would be handy to have as an extra option. But I imagion the only way to get one would be importing. I guess we shall see. I am interested in what direct communication you had with the company about the cable, if any.
i paired this device with an mclassic and it looked amazing. no ghosting or motion blur. colors were vibrant and the picture was not overly soft. definitely give it a try!
I forgot to thank you in my previous comment. You give us Saturn fan boys so many games from Japan and help Us in many other ways that most of us would never know to look for. You truly are the Sega Lord!! ;)
Here's how I see it: Playing my Saturn on my HDTV looks terrible using the composite video cable. On the old boob tubes, it looked fine because that was the standard. As long as it looks better than using composite cables AND looks better than it does on a boob tube, I'll take it! Great review sir!!
Coming at a product like this presents its challenges. I'm a CRT purist that has access to boxes like the Framemeister, OSSC, and Retrotink. It's REALLY easy to just blast the facts and really hammer the lower end devices like the LevelHike HDMI products. I really did try to look at it from the position of someone not wanting to fool around with more expensive/inconvenient options, and give an honest assessment of its worth to them. Sometimes you just have to admit a product is not aimed at you, and then find the market that it would have appeal towards.
LevelHike said it's only cable with stereo in the proper left to right channels, so I bought it. It has vents so I'm going have to flip it to keep it from overheating and frying. I like the aspect to ratio option.
I just had to get rid of my old school CRT TV due to space constraints... And now I know how to play my Saturn conveniently on my HDTV with the least amount of video degradation possible! Thanks Sega Lord X! Phenomenal video as per usual! Rock on Brother!
Moving that stuff around...I don't know how we used to do it. I had an Apple monitor I loved that was state of the art in '98 and I might as well have been moving a washing machine. Used it with my Dreamcast VGA box for a few years and it was basically an HDTV console before HDTV hit.
The idea of HDMI cables for the Saturn is good! The Quality is another story... BTW: There is a guy on eBay, who sells homemade YUV (component) cables for the Saturn.
Sponsors and devs contacting you? Congratz!!! I have come really far and i'm happy you are growing everyday! About the video, i think they should have a way to toggle the softener, bc it may don't look as good in 2D games, but Sega Rally looked amazing so 3D games may benefit for the soft look
Sounds like a good entry level product for people who want to do game reviews, essays, or LP of Saturn games. The audio switching problem can be easily fixed in editing, at least in Sony Movie Studio/Vegas by simply right clicking on the audio track, selecting channels, and there should be an option to switch them around, thus fixing the issue. Just remember to do that before you split anything or it might become more of a headache latter on.
SLX you are the best/ thanks for your content / I don’t get to play games as much as when I was a kid / but watching all your videos really let’s me live vicariously and takes me back to those days / I subscribed to your channel
Thanks for the review. This confirms I don’t want those expensive conversion options. I hate the way they look and like the screen captures from this much better.
Since I game on a CRT for myself, the only irritation it presents is when capturing for TH-cam videos. And yes, it's definitely something that irritates, especially when the switch cause the ElGato to hang.
As someone who's simply looking for the convenience of being able to hook up a classic system to my modern TV without having to break the bank, this is something I'll definitely consider when my Saturn collection grows. Also, I did quite like this review format, I would totally be down for more
Hi there. Are you referring the left and right audio cross? 🤔 Or some other audio issue? I just ordered one and should be here this Friday, just wondering what to expect.
I don't really know why people are eager to have razor sharp pixels. Most of us played this on a mid to low tier CRT back in the day. It's never been sharp at all. Also I don't like how Sega Genesis and Saturn approach to transparency if they are not properly blurred.
It's a taste that has been acquired thanks to RGB upscaling and emulation. We live in an era of HD visuals, and it's an addicting upgrade not easily dismissed.
Nice review. I probably might be able to get used to the left and right audio channels being switched. But the picture was actually pretty decent for a $30 device. I might consider this as an option until I pick up my framemeister in the future.
Audio swapping is not a big deal. This looks pretty good. I like the option of 4:3 and 16:9, that's something most company's (like Pound) seem to ignore. It's either stretched or not. Great review man.
This cable seems excellent for the price. The audio fuck up though kills it for me. I hope they make another version in the future fixing that nonsense.
Come at me, but the Framemeister pixel perfect aesthetic is not at all how these pre-Dreamcast console games were meant to look. Bring on more devices like this. A much better image than composite video cables into an HDTV, but still an honest interpretation of games that were not meant to be seen pixel by pixel.
@@SegaLordX Love your videos because you actually know these games now and then. Obviously this isn't you, but I think many who didn't experience these games when they were new think that's actually how they're supposed to look. They get hooked on an aesthetic that is a relatively new invention. More power to them if that's what they like but I don't care about it...I do care about my consoles looking like crap on an HDTV with just composite cables though. "Perfect" is definitely not that look for pre DC games.
Yes I'd like to see more product reviews. Like controllers and such. Other than the audio problem, which might be a deal breaker to me, I'd be intrested in this product.
The cheap scart to HDMI box probably doesn't have an issue with the resolution switching either. Just the framemeister. The reason why the Framemeister is effected is it actually deals with 240p properly. Where as the cable (probably) in this review and most (cheap) scart to HDMI boxes treat 240p the same as 480i so when the resolution changes the scart box 'thinks' its the same. That's the broad idea of what is going on.
@@PicksterTG Nah my SCART box does that crap too. Also I got a cheap cable and theres hum in the sound. I think I'll get this cable and then just use the box for my Genesis.
Excellent review. As per usual this is a great product for someone looking for a cheap HDMI solution like you mentioned. As for me I'm more than satisfied with my current set up on a large CRT via S-video.
I'm using the Xtreme version 2 cable. It has the 16:9/4:3 switch and the separate HDMI cable. It looks amazing compared to the composite cable. Looks like it's the same as this cable.
@@ryanyoder7573 Here is the link. I was just trying Vampire Savior. I have the game set to stereo and tried to tell which speaker the sound was coming from. The voices and fireballs came from both speakers so I don't know it the audio is fixed or not. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07G3XSJ7F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Good review, man. You should do more. Don’t get me wrong, brother, your normal content is second to none!😃👍🏻 but you did a nice job man! Thorough! You’re always thorough! And no nonsense! One the best qualities in the SLX channel. Appreciate this info, man. Found your stride I’d say. Already looking forward to the next video. Peace!!
All things considered it's not that bad. What I use is HD Retrovision cables through a Framemister all TV settings off and with Firebrand X profiles for both high resolution and 240p modes. The framemister is only as good as the Cables you're using and your settings. I might get the level hike cable for 480i games that mess with my Framemister.
@Al Capawn I use a JP21 cable for my Genesis. Another HD Retrovision for my Super Famicom, Monster Cable for PS2 Dreamcast is the odd one out, there's alot of red color bleeding in some games through S-video and Dreamcast s-video cables are GARBAGE. Somebody told me the Pound cable is good and to avoid the Bahar Brothers boxes. I really don't want to Mod my Dreamcast. But I digress.
This is really interesting, looks like pretty great image quality. Would've been interesting to see one of those 16:9 games on it. Thanks for this video!
I truly trust your opinions... so many big channels have just become shills. You look and sounds very humble and honest. Thank you for your review. Sound to me like these cables will be good for me when I just want to play on a big modern TV when I'm streaming or need capture software I'll still to my Retro Tink or OSSC. Wish you continued success my Sega brotha!
Se agradece SLX, como dice JK tu eres el SSA, serian muy apreciados otros reviews como este, ahora que es fácil conseguir productos de todo el mundo, es bueno tener opinión profesional de los mismos. Saludos desde Perú.
This was dope. I wanted to get something like this so I can play games with my friends and live steam. Also I think you should do a video game of the Yakuza games and the hidden arcade games you get in each one. You made me a fan of your show and it is awesome.
Hey I really appreciate you doing this video. I have a modded Sega Saturn that I’ve been debating about keeping due to a disability after I acquired it. This is definitely something I can afford, and the image quality looks fine enough to me. Now if there was just a magical device that let me play my stunner games on hdtv... Yeah yeah I know can’t I dream? Oh and thanks for providing the link google was failing me
You mentioned that the RetroTink 2X looked better than this. Is that with composite? I'm currently running my Saturn's composite cable into a RetroTink 2X, and it looks okay, but not great. I'm looking to upgrade my picture. I do have a Saturn RGB SCART cable, but both of the cheap SCART to HDMI upscalers that I have bought were duds right out of the box. I'm considering getting a Saturn component cable from HD Retrovision to run through my RetroTink, but that's another $100 spent. I don't need the absolute best quality, but I'd like something good that takes advantage of the Saturn's native RGB output. No lag is also important since I mostly play racing and fighting games.
@@SegaLordX I use S Video for my N64 and I'm happy enough with it. Best I can do without modifying the thing for RGB. But component should be better than that. I'll check out S video options. HD Retrovision's component cables works for Genesis and Saturn via an adapter, so I may still fork out the money. But you'd recommend S Video + Retro Tink over this plug and play HDMI cable then?
J C I use a custom S-Video cable on an older 22” flat panel. Looks really good, and the colors really pop! Wish I had room for a big CRT... I’d so go there. Lol! I’d be willing to try this cable out though. Probably do my space situation good.
I also play my Saturn on a CRT, but it has component, and I've been curious about those component cable ls they made for the Genesis, SNES, with adapter to use them on the Saturn
What about the Pound HDMI HD Link Cable? I have that and it looks awesome, very clear image and so far no noticeable lag or game breaking image blur and the stereo channels are Not reversed.
I prefer the level hike to the framemeister because I play Sega Saturn through composite on a CRT because thats what dithered transparencies work best with that slight blur and the level hike cable looks closer to that
GeminiBlount alright, no harm asking! Actually I don’t have a Saturn but I want one. Just don’t want to pay 90 bucks for a used one. If it was refurbished I would pay even more! I’m not trusting some 20 year old crusty old system for that much though.
And you can get a used saturn pretty cheap now. I just picked up another one because my Japanese one died. It was only $35! There's a guy out here in Vegas that's very reasonable. He owns Gamer's Paradise. Look him up!
Thanks for this review! As someone with a Retrotink2x AND an OSSC AND various video processors for other purposes, this sounds like the best option for Sega Saturn on a modern TV. Why? The way the Saturn loses sync at numerous times during some of my favorite games (i.e. VF2 and Die Hard Arcade), this is apparently one of the very few options that won't lose the picture and give you a black screen for (seriously) up to 10 seconds, maybe more. I've heard of an arcade scaler that can do this same trick with minimal lag and a firmware hack, and I can do it with about $400 in processors... for probably similar results, tbh. This is a good-sounding product at a great price.
Great review, man! 🖒 I really enjoy this style of video from you and all the relevant information came across smoothly. Usually I'm firmly in the "rgb scart on crt beats upscaled HD any day" camp but im slowly considering moving my bulky crt out of my living room to conserve space, so would need a way of playing Saturn on my HDTV without breaking the bank. This sort of budget option is perfect for me 🖒
I currently use a RetroTINK-2X and HD Retrovision Cables going into my Elgato HD60s so I can stream or capture footage. I am watching the video right now and while it looks pretty good I am concerned with the smoothing that appears to be going on. I would much rather prefer to have the option of keeping the sharpness vs the auto smoothing. If you don't care about that kind of thing then this will probably be right up your alley, but the audio channels being switched is of concern.
Oh wow! I seriously want this for my Saturn. I can't afford a frame meister, and I'm still using standard A/V. The switch of the audio channels doesn't affect me - I always play through headphones. Also, thanks for the heat warning.
I read Levelhike fixed the reversed audio channel problem and is selling the updated cable on amazon but do you know if others that make hdmi cables for the system fixed that problem yet too?
@@SegaLordX I can confirm that Pound didn't fix their hdmi cable yet since I have one now. I fired up SFA2 right away to check the audio and it's still reversed with their cable. >_>
I know this review is 2 years old...but I want to give a huge shout out to the LevelHike Saturn cable. I just love mine, looks much better on my 42" LED tv in Game mode than the Saturn does on a CRT via composite. The colors really pop, and polygons are much more crisp. An absolute winner for $30. Would I love to have a RetroTink someday, sure! But that's $300, literally ten times the price. And with FrameMeister going for over a grand nowadays, well, there's just no comparison.
Retrotink is a better device than the Framemeister, has less input lag, there is a Retrotink Mini that is $90 that maxes out with S video if RGB isn't a priority.
I'd not seen that Levelhike had made one for the Saturn. I've got one for my PS1 arriving tomorrow. I've opted for the Rad2x for the Saturn instead. It cost me £60, but I'm not getting it until January.
It's nice to see that there's other options though. I've already got HD upscalers for my Dreamcast and N64, and my Levelhike PS1 upscaler is arriving tomorrow. It's somewhat ironic, considering the Saturn has always been my favourite, that I've waited so long to acquire one for it!
My crt tv died on me a couple of days ago and now I'm looking for another unit. The one I used the Saturn with I hooked up using the s video output but I haven't found any on sale that have that output so getting this would probably help me in the near future. Thank you Sega lord x!
You’re about the only youtuber that has an opinion that isn’t bought. That alone makes this worth it. Also, I’m ready to plug my Saturn in again for the first time in ages and a $30 entry to HD is perfect. Thanks.
I have this levelhike adapter and I really like it.
I paired it with a SEIKI U-vision upconverter HDMI cable and it really helps and improves the image by alot.
Seiki U-Vision? Is that like an Mcable?
Yes, I noticed the audio swapped when playing Alpha 2, so I opened up look for the audio wires cut it and resolder it to the right pin...easy fix.
I like my image softer. I prefer how this looks to those more expensive devices you mentioned. I'll be picking up one of these.
Sega LordX! You’re always the first stop when I have SEGA related questions or want to check reviews. Aplomb! Have you tried the Levelhike in combo with the MClassic? My only trouble with the mclassic is knowing if I should select “green light” or “blue light.” Hard to find any answers. But using both in tandem, what do you think? I have original Saturn hardware and a Vizio 65” m657-G0 4k/UHD, HDR 10+ QLED TV and I LOVE IT! :)
Honestly, I'm glad this device exists. While the Framemeister looks really sharp and high-res, it also never ever looked like that on a CRT TV or monitor. I actually think, looking at this device, it looks a lot more like you would've experienced these games in the past.
I’m sold. Thanks man. Need a quick fix. Don’t need anything too fancy for now
I had the level hike and it was the best budget HDMI cable for the Saturn. I went through 2 of them and when the second messed up i got the RetroScaler2x. I run an S-video cable into it and then run that through my MClassic and set it to retro mode which outputs the image in 4:3 at 1440p to my gaming monitor. Usually the RetroScaler2x is around $80 or $90, i found it on Aliexpress for $35 though. I think on a smaller budget for whats currently on the market the RetroScaler2x + mClassic is the best combination. I would like to see it compared with still screenshots and moving gameplay against both the Level Hike and the Framemeister to see how it stacks up. Anyways i enjoyed the video, i love all your content, thanks.
I just ordered a Retroscaler2x myself.
For anyone wondering, I have the Pound HDMI cable and it is about the same quality as this one EXCEPT is does NOT have the 16:9 vs 4:3 switch. Also, it seems to have a little bit of motion blur... So it looks like the level hike is a better cheap HDMI device than the Pound.
If you connect the pound cable with the Mclassic the picture quality is amazing
Looking good, SLX. You look healthy and your beard suggests wisdom. You are the internet’s Sega Saturn SAGE! 😂😂😂
Totally agree. Something very genuine from this man.
Totally loving the beard, alright. Mildly jealous.
I guess it is quite off topic but does anyone know a good website to watch new series online ?
At the end of the day, I’m more concerned about how these types of devices compare to original hook ups than I am to how they compare to products that aren’t even manufactured anymore. Thank you for taking the time to address *both* ends of that argument.
I mean, if the Saturn is your only retro system and you don't want to pay the extra money it's a good but. Really though, anyone who games these days with these older consoles might as well do it the right way and use the SCART/HDMI upscaler, but one doesn't need to spend the bread in a Framemiester. The $30 upscaler will do.
Thank you for this review, it was outstanding!
Re Sound: Apparently years ago the pin out for the AV connector was put online and they got the sound channels mixed up and it seems that was the genesis reference point of all (well most) Saturn AV pinouts.
It's supprising that this error isn't picked up on products testing. While understandable on the dirt cheap cables you would think more dedicated products would have this error ironed out.
You'd think the guys making it would notice it in QC testing. I mean playing a fighting game its immediate.
@@SegaLordX Does the unit look like it's easy to open, with screws preferably? If so it's probably possible to desolder the incoming wires and resolder them the right way round. Not that it should be a problem for users to fix... but for those with the capability it's an option.
Hopefully it is something the makers fix in an updated batch.
Curse that original pin out diagram that got it wrong!!!
It's a simple box to open. I took it apart to check that it had the RGB coming into the PCB. You could definitely fix the audio issue yourself. Levelhike should have the issue fixed soon.
@@SegaLordX Did you highlight the issue to them? Did they specifically say to you that they will fix the issue?
The cable probably isn't really worth me getting. Being in the UK I have fairly easy access to Scart cables, most of which are RGB as standard.
That said, for the right price it would be handy to have as an extra option. But I imagion the only way to get one would be importing. I guess we shall see. I am interested in what direct communication you had with the company about the cable, if any.
@@SegaLordX Also, thanks for the information about being able to open up the unit and the access to incoming wires.
with the RGB SCART to HDMI you can force 4:3 aspect ratio on some TVs, but it depends on the manufacturer/model, I can do it on my low end 720p LG TV
i paired this device with an mclassic and it looked amazing. no ghosting or motion blur. colors were vibrant and the picture was not overly soft. definitely give it a try!
Dig the honesty of the product is a demo review and honest commentary. Great vid!
I'm a Xbox and Switch player, but boy this chanel is one of the best! Thank you for your work SLX!
I forgot to thank you in my previous comment. You give us Saturn fan boys so many games from Japan and help
Us in many other ways that most of us would never know to look for. You truly are the Sega Lord!! ;)
Here's how I see it: Playing my Saturn on my HDTV looks terrible using the composite video cable. On the old boob tubes, it looked fine because that was the standard. As long as it looks better than using composite cables AND looks better than it does on a boob tube, I'll take it! Great review sir!!
good boi
That’s my perspective.
Finally, someone that can review an entry-level product without constantly saying "this is crap".
Coming at a product like this presents its challenges. I'm a CRT purist that has access to boxes like the Framemeister, OSSC, and Retrotink. It's REALLY easy to just blast the facts and really hammer the lower end devices like the LevelHike HDMI products. I really did try to look at it from the position of someone not wanting to fool around with more expensive/inconvenient options, and give an honest assessment of its worth to them. Sometimes you just have to admit a product is not aimed at you, and then find the market that it would have appeal towards.
@@SegaLordX 👍
@@SegaLordX That and it's also what all the companies tell the youtubers to say. Pretty damn obvious.
LevelHike said it's only cable with stereo in the proper left to right channels, so I bought it. It has vents so I'm going have to flip it to keep it from overheating and frying. I like the aspect to ratio option.
I just had to get rid of my old school CRT TV due to space constraints... And now I know how to play my Saturn conveniently on my HDTV with the least amount of video degradation possible! Thanks Sega Lord X! Phenomenal video as per usual! Rock on Brother!
Moving that stuff around...I don't know how we used to do it. I had an Apple monitor I loved that was state of the art in '98 and I might as well have been moving a washing machine. Used it with my Dreamcast VGA box for a few years and it was basically an HDTV console before HDTV hit.
The idea of HDMI cables for the Saturn is good! The Quality is another story...
BTW: There is a guy on eBay, who sells homemade YUV (component) cables for the Saturn.
I want!
Sponsors and devs contacting you? Congratz!!! I have come really far and i'm happy you are growing everyday!
About the video, i think they should have a way to toggle the softener, bc it may don't look as good in 2D games, but Sega Rally looked amazing so 3D games may benefit for the soft look
He's an absolute power house with his video output. He deserves attention!
He's an absolute power house with his video output. He deserves attention!
These reviews are great. I plan on getting a Saturn in the future. Nice to see options
Get a Saturn today! Or start hawking for games, they are so expensive compared to when I started my Saturn collection...
The only sega opinion that's matters! 🤙🏻✌🏻
Just got my Saturn the other day. Im sold on levelhike. This looks perfect.
It's look better on the level hike than the framemeister.
Man thank you for making this video LevelHike looks way better than the Extreme SS cable. I'm definitely ordering one.
I wish there existed a modern sega console that can handle acceptable upscaling of Saturn games like ps3 does for psx and ps2
Sounds like a good entry level product for people who want to do game reviews, essays, or LP of Saturn games. The audio switching problem can be easily fixed in editing, at least in Sony Movie Studio/Vegas by simply right clicking on the audio track, selecting channels, and there should be an option to switch them around, thus fixing the issue. Just remember to do that before you split anything or it might become more of a headache latter on.
SLX you are the best/ thanks for your content / I don’t get to play games as much as when I was a kid / but watching all your videos really let’s me live vicariously and takes me back to those days / I subscribed to your channel
Thanks for the review. This confirms I don’t want those expensive conversion options. I hate the way they look and like the screen captures from this much better.
9:12 - I would be pissed if my multi-hundred dollar scaling box couldn't deal with resolution changes and this $25-50 device can.
Since I game on a CRT for myself, the only irritation it presents is when capturing for TH-cam videos. And yes, it's definitely something that irritates, especially when the switch cause the ElGato to hang.
As someone who's simply looking for the convenience of being able to hook up a classic system to my modern TV without having to break the bank, this is something I'll definitely consider when my Saturn collection grows.
Also, I did quite like this review format, I would totally be down for more
The current stock of these now has the audio issue fixed to any watching this now.
Hi there. Are you referring the left and right audio cross? 🤔 Or some other audio issue?
I just ordered one and should be here this Friday, just wondering what to expect.
Really great review man, thoughtful and in-depth! Love this kind of presentation; combination of gameplay and in-person presentation
SHining Force 3 looks so great in HDMI.
Very cool and informative man. You should definitely do more of these.
I'm a 'high-end scaler' OSSC owner - and honestly this actually looks pretty good for the money
I had no idea that a Frameister went black when the resolution changes. That would be a deal breaker for me, at any price.
If you love the Saturn, get an OSSC and a Retro Gaming Cables UK Scart cable. Trust me, it’s worth it. Amazing picture quality and zero lag.
I don't really know why people are eager to have razor sharp pixels. Most of us played this on a mid to low tier CRT back in the day. It's never been sharp at all. Also I don't like how Sega Genesis and Saturn approach to transparency if they are not properly blurred.
It's a taste that has been acquired thanks to RGB upscaling and emulation. We live in an era of HD visuals, and it's an addicting upgrade not easily dismissed.
Great review, and great to see this new format of video.
Nice review. I probably might be able to get used to the left and right audio channels being switched. But the picture was actually pretty decent for a $30 device. I might consider this as an option until I pick up my framemeister in the future.
Sound's like a good cheap upscaler for saturn players who just want to play there saturn on an HD tv. Great video. Keep up the good work.
I really needed this right now. Thanks man.
Audio swapping is not a big deal. This looks pretty good. I like the option of 4:3 and 16:9,
that's something most company's (like Pound) seem to ignore. It's either stretched or not. Great review man.
Rule no 5. Nothing replaces a CRT for retro gaming.
This cable seems excellent for the price. The audio fuck up though kills it for me. I hope they make another version in the future fixing that nonsense.
Come at me, but the Framemeister pixel perfect aesthetic is not at all how these pre-Dreamcast console games were meant to look. Bring on more devices like this. A much better image than composite video cables into an HDTV, but still an honest interpretation of games that were not meant to be seen pixel by pixel.
A Framemeister can be adjusted to give you the image you want. You can get tons of profiles online to help you find the look you need.
@@SegaLordX Love your videos because you actually know these games now and then. Obviously this isn't you, but I think many who didn't experience these games when they were new think that's actually how they're supposed to look. They get hooked on an aesthetic that is a relatively new invention. More power to them if that's what they like but I don't care about it...I do care about my consoles looking like crap on an HDTV with just composite cables though. "Perfect" is definitely not that look for pre DC games.
I agree. I hate that over-sharpened pixelated picture.
Yes I'd like to see more product reviews. Like controllers and such. Other than the audio problem, which might be a deal breaker to me, I'd be intrested in this product.
I’ve been waiting for this review ever since it got teased on FB!
Great information, I need to grab one of these! I've been using a 13" CRT for my old consoles and want to play Saturn on my big HD TV :)
Just remember, there will bw lag
I have that exact scart to hdmi box. When you mentioned the changes in screen resolution I made up my mind to grab this.
The cheap scart to HDMI box probably doesn't have an issue with the resolution switching either. Just the framemeister.
The reason why the Framemeister is effected is it actually deals with 240p properly. Where as the cable (probably) in this review and most (cheap) scart to HDMI boxes treat 240p the same as 480i so when the resolution changes the scart box 'thinks' its the same.
That's the broad idea of what is going on.
@@PicksterTG Nah my SCART box does that crap too. Also I got a cheap cable and theres hum in the sound. I think I'll get this cable and then just use the box for my Genesis.
Excellent review. As per usual this is a great product for someone looking for a cheap HDMI solution like you mentioned. As for me I'm more than satisfied with my current set up on a large CRT via S-video.
I'm using the Xtreme version 2 cable. It has the 16:9/4:3 switch and the separate HDMI cable. It looks amazing compared to the composite cable. Looks like it's the same as this cable.
@Equinsu Ocha It's 720p. 😀
Post a link and does it have the audio issue
@@ryanyoder7573 Here is the link. I was just trying Vampire Savior. I have the game set to stereo and tried to tell which speaker the sound was coming from. The voices and fireballs came from both speakers so I don't know it the audio is fixed or not. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07G3XSJ7F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@@ryanyoder7573 This review is where I learned about it. th-cam.com/video/d1S9B9e--ok/w-d-xo.html
Another fantastic video and I learned something new! Thank you as always!
Solid and straight forward, these review videos definitely suit your style.
You should've shown what Virtual On, Nights, and Madden 98 looks like with this device. Those games look great trust me!
I can't wait for the day I see you doing a review for the Sega Saturn Satiator
Me too. :)
Thanks for the review man! I was curious about this and I might just pick it up now.
For a budget view, this thing is really better than composite, but getting one from outside USA is complicated. Good video!
Good review, man. You should do more. Don’t get me wrong, brother, your normal content is second to none!😃👍🏻 but you did a nice job man! Thorough! You’re always thorough! And no nonsense! One the best qualities in the SLX channel. Appreciate this info, man. Found your stride I’d say. Already looking forward to the next video.
Peace!!
All things considered it's not that bad.
What I use is HD Retrovision cables through a Framemister all TV settings off and with Firebrand X profiles for both high resolution and 240p modes.
The framemister is only as good as the Cables you're using and your settings.
I might get the level hike cable for 480i games that mess with my Framemister.
@Al Capawn I use a JP21 cable for my Genesis. Another HD Retrovision for my Super Famicom, Monster Cable for PS2
Dreamcast is the odd one out, there's alot of red color bleeding in some games through S-video and Dreamcast s-video cables are GARBAGE. Somebody told me the Pound cable is good and to avoid the Bahar Brothers boxes. I really don't want to Mod my Dreamcast.
But I digress.
So I guess the HYPERKIN HDMI CABLE is very much the same
This is really interesting, looks like pretty great image quality. Would've been interesting to see one of those 16:9 games on it. Thanks for this video!
Indeed. Something I didn't even consider at the time. My apologies.
I truly trust your opinions... so many big channels have just become shills. You look and sounds very humble and honest. Thank you for your review. Sound to me like these cables will be good for me when I just want to play on a big modern TV when I'm streaming or need capture software I'll still to my Retro Tink or OSSC. Wish you continued success my Sega brotha!
So, since I'm more interested in the Saturn's 3D offerings like GunGriffon, this seems like a must get.
Love your reviews man, such high quality videos! Keep it up!
I like this type of video from SLX. Would like to see CRT inspired episodes with the Sega Saturn too. Also single game reviews would be cool.
Just use a CRT tv, it looks best for retro games.
Se agradece SLX, como dice JK tu eres el SSA, serian muy apreciados otros reviews como este, ahora que es fácil conseguir productos de todo el mundo, es bueno tener opinión profesional de los mismos. Saludos desde Perú.
It sounds like they were "inspired" by the Xtreme cable when designing their solution (which has the same audio switch fault).
It's because of old information online where the pinout is backwards. Point, Hyperkin, Xtreme, LevelHike, etc... they are all from the same ODM.
The differences between this and a high end option are stark, but this is still pretty damn impressive for the price.
Oh damn, no pause between resolution changes? Wow. These guys need to make a PS1/PS2 option!
you get a like just from the fact you played with Ryu :)
This was dope. I wanted to get something like this so I can play games with my friends and live steam. Also I think you should do a video game of the Yakuza games and the hidden arcade games you get in each one. You made me a fan of your show and it is awesome.
Hey I really appreciate you doing this video. I have a modded Sega Saturn that I’ve been debating about keeping due to a disability after I acquired it. This is definitely something I can afford, and the image quality looks fine enough to me.
Now if there was just a magical device that let me play my stunner games on hdtv...
Yeah yeah I know can’t I dream?
Oh and thanks for providing the link google was failing me
Well there's www.sindenlightgun.com/ but I don't think it supports Saturn
You mentioned that the RetroTink 2X looked better than this. Is that with composite? I'm currently running my Saturn's composite cable into a RetroTink 2X, and it looks okay, but not great. I'm looking to upgrade my picture. I do have a Saturn RGB SCART cable, but both of the cheap SCART to HDMI upscalers that I have bought were duds right out of the box. I'm considering getting a Saturn component cable from HD Retrovision to run through my RetroTink, but that's another $100 spent. I don't need the absolute best quality, but I'd like something good that takes advantage of the Saturn's native RGB output. No lag is also important since I mostly play racing and fighting games.
Actually, using S-Video with a Retrotink improves image considerably.
@@SegaLordX I use S Video for my N64 and I'm happy enough with it. Best I can do without modifying the thing for RGB. But component should be better than that. I'll check out S video options. HD Retrovision's component cables works for Genesis and Saturn via an adapter, so I may still fork out the money. But you'd recommend S Video + Retro Tink over this plug and play HDMI cable then?
Thanks for the deep and comprehensive analysis! Shame about the audio switching
I play Saturn on my 27 inch CRT TV via S-Video. Good enough for me.
J C I use a custom S-Video cable on an older 22” flat panel. Looks really good, and the colors really pop! Wish I had room for a big CRT... I’d so go there. Lol!
I’d be willing to try this cable out though. Probably do my space situation good.
I also play my Saturn on a CRT, but it has component, and I've been curious about those component cable ls they made for the Genesis, SNES, with adapter to use them on the Saturn
Get a good quality 13"-ish CRT, I found a Toshiba 14", with component, for free at a garage sale, has a beautiful picture
What about the Pound HDMI HD Link Cable? I have that and it looks awesome, very clear image and so far no noticeable lag or game breaking image blur and the stereo channels are Not reversed.
I prefer the level hike to the framemeister because I play Sega Saturn through composite on a CRT because thats what dithered transparencies work best with that slight blur and the level hike cable looks closer to that
That Saturn collection though... if you ever need to free up some space, I'll take em'
Sorry, he already promised them to me! ;)
GeminiBlount alright, no harm asking! Actually I don’t have a Saturn but I want one. Just don’t want to pay 90 bucks for a used one. If it was refurbished I would pay even more! I’m not trusting some 20 year old crusty old system for that much though.
Hey he's called "Sega Lord X" for a reason.😉
Lol I was only kidding. Shoot, I WISH he'd give me those games! I'd never leave the house!
And you can get a used saturn pretty cheap now. I just picked up another one because my Japanese one died. It was only $35! There's a guy out here in Vegas that's very reasonable. He owns Gamer's Paradise. Look him up!
I use an official Saturn Japanese Svideo cable on a Sony Wega CRT. I play my games in thier respective era. 😊
I also play my retro on a CRT, but honesty playing it in 4:3 is the most important thing. ;)
Thanks for this review! As someone with a Retrotink2x AND an OSSC AND various video processors for other purposes, this sounds like the best option for Sega Saturn on a modern TV. Why? The way the Saturn loses sync at numerous times during some of my favorite games (i.e. VF2 and Die Hard Arcade), this is apparently one of the very few options that won't lose the picture and give you a black screen for (seriously) up to 10 seconds, maybe more. I've heard of an arcade scaler that can do this same trick with minimal lag and a firmware hack, and I can do it with about $400 in processors... for probably similar results, tbh. This is a good-sounding product at a great price.
I was about to buy it until you mentioned the stereo swap. WHAT THE HELL.
Great review, man! 🖒
I really enjoy this style of video from you and all the relevant information came across smoothly.
Usually I'm firmly in the "rgb scart on crt beats upscaled HD any day" camp but im slowly considering moving my bulky crt out of my living room to conserve space, so would need a way of playing Saturn on my HDTV without breaking the bank.
This sort of budget option is perfect for me 🖒
I currently use a RetroTINK-2X and HD Retrovision Cables going into my Elgato HD60s so I can stream or capture footage. I am watching the video right now and while it looks pretty good I am concerned with the smoothing that appears to be going on. I would much rather prefer to have the option of keeping the sharpness vs the auto smoothing.
If you don't care about that kind of thing then this will probably be right up your alley, but the audio channels being switched is of concern.
@Equinsu Ocha I have not heard any audio reversals at all, sounds great.
This falls perfect on your channel Mr. X. I say, more please. 🤙
Oh wow! I seriously want this for my Saturn.
I can't afford a frame meister, and I'm still using standard A/V. The switch of the audio channels doesn't affect me - I always play through headphones.
Also, thanks for the heat warning.
would love to keep wstching this kind of video reviews.
Behold the Bearded One! All hail the SLX
I read Levelhike fixed the reversed audio channel problem and is selling the updated cable on amazon but do you know if others that make hdmi cables for the system fixed that problem yet too?
Yeah, Levelhike fixed the audio issue. Not sure about the other guys, though.
@@SegaLordX I can confirm that Pound didn't fix their hdmi cable yet since I have one now. I fired up SFA2 right away to check the audio and it's still reversed with their cable. >_>
It's definitely nice to see you in picture while talking at times. Maybe try to focus more on showing things at the same time?
I can handle a little ghosting if the lag is low. Nice in depth review.