Timestamps 00:35 King and Pharaoh distinction 02:21 Another historical miracle, the relevant Qur'anic verses 9:30 Muslim exegetes trying to explain the perplexing verses 9:55 Tabari's explanation 11:44 Razi's explanation 13:28 Ibn Kathir's explanation 15:51 Ibn Ashur's explanation 20:15 Some episodes in Egyptian History that might shade some light 21:25 15th dynasty , a dynasty of Semite rulers 27:57 How to make sense of Pharaoh's strange claim by using the information about Semite rulers of 15th Dynasty 36:22 Plausibility that Rameses II might be aware of the happenings of the 15th dynasty and Joseph 37:51 Conclusion: a historical miracle
The timestamps work fine as far as I can tell, apart from the first one, as you have noticed. I do not think I can edit them because they were posted by a viewer.
I don’t think the pharaoh of the exodus is Ramses the great. I think it’s Thutmoses iii because based on the Old Testament the timing of the exodus is 480 years from the building of the temple of Solomon. 1 Kings 6 states “In the four hundred and eightieth[a] year after the Israelites came out of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the Lord.” This gives a date for the exodus because it is commonly agreed by biblical scholars that the building of the temple of Solomon started in 966BC. Using the lunar calendar 480 lunar years is equivalent to 465 solar or Gregorian years which places the dating of the exodus to 1431BC which is late in the reign of Thutmoses iii. Based on the lower Egypt chronology Thutmoses iii died circa 1425BC at a relatively young age of 54 years old compared to Ramses ii who died of old age at 90 years old. I can’t imagine Ramses chasing after Musa AS in chariots at that age.
@@kamj1969 Scholars disagreed and will continue to disagree on the identity of the Pharaoh for various reasons. However, historians would not take the Biblical figures for guidance! It is well-established that Biblical durations are highly unreliable. Numerous scholars have written on this. You can check out my own critique of some of the exodus-related Biblical numbers in this video th-cam.com/video/-wgC-n3Cljk/w-d-xo.html.
This was truly incredible to watch and learn. I have always wondered why Pharoah made that assumption when Moses just wanted to exit Egypt safely with the Children of Israel. Barak Allah feek for your excellent explanation. I pray this video reaches more people.
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What's amazed me is how in the western academic sphere, the secular rulebook that they follow doesnt allow them to admit to any of these historical miracles/accuracies in the Qur'an, but even then, even when that's the setting, we've had the western scholar Agenlika Neuwirth mentioning how the word that the Qur'an uses for Jesus(AS)'s disciples were definitely much more historically accurate than to be expected for someone living during the Prophet(SAW)'s time
You are right in your observation, but I should stress that what I discuss in this video, , unlike other topics, has not been publicised even by Muslims, even though we first wrote about it exactly 25 years ago. For example, our identification of the Pharaoh of Moses from the fact that the Qur’an speaks about one Pharaoh has been picked up and used by other Muslims. But this particular issue remains unknown. I think the main challenge is that it is very subtle, so careful linking of specific historical information is needed to show the amazing nature of the Qur’an’s report of Pharaoh’s claim.
@@stuntxl5783 I’m not sure of the exact wording of what she said, but it can be found in brother Louay’s episode on blogging theology about ancient egypt and the Quran
Thank you, Dr. Louai for your investigative efforts. May I suggest recounting all the scientific miracles of the Quran, like we created all living things from water, we brought down iron, we created everything from nothing and are expanding the universe, etc. When did these things become known? It would be very interesting. Thank you.
May Allah preserve you in your knowledge Dr Louey Fatoohi. I have seen your interviews with brother Paul Williams on blogging theology. Now I just found your channel and am following you as well. Masha'Allah beautiful presentation Dr Louey Fatoohi, baaraka Allahu feek
Allah bless you Sir Louay. Hearing you talk is like hearing my late Grandfather explain history and religion to me. May he rest in peace and may you be granted with health and reward for your amazing job. JazakAllah Sir.
Inshallah will listen to this. I have watched your videos on blogging theology. May Allah accept your beneficial Work and protect you and your Family and All the Muslims.Ameen
The Glorious Qur'an explain and as a criterion for earlier scriptures writtened by men. During the period of Prophet Joseph(pbuh) the Egyptian ruler was a King; while in the period of Prophet Moshes(pbuh) the ruler was called Pharoah.
@@waleedalgharabally9385...I thought the video was superb? Anyway can you share some of your work so that we can learn and improve also? 😮 thanks in advance!
@@louay.fatoohiassalamu alaikum Dr, what are your thoughts on haman's name in the Quran? A lot of christians claim that Quran got the name of haman wrong and they say that the name was in the book of esther and the Quran copied from it.
@@user-nd3ki2mh9i Wa'alaykum al-salam. Yes, I have analysed this and showed that Haman is far more likely to be an Egyptian minister than the character in the book of Esther. Apologists aside, scholars agree the narrative of Esether is fictional. It is not only that Haman could not belong to that narrative. The story itself is unhistorical. I hope to publish a video on this topic at some point, insha Allah.
Masha Allah Dr Fatoohi, I was impressed by.your explanation when watching blogging theology, and now you have your own channel! May Allah reward you and assist you. I read your blog too, but I found that the way you explain made the studies more compelling, like it helped us go through your thought process :) feels like cracking a code :) thanks for sharing your expertise
Thank you for your kind words. I am pleased you like the videos and blogs. When I give any topic, I do my best to give the reader/viewer all the background information so that they can assess the thinking and be in a position to examine it further, should they like to do so.
Dr Fatoohi, I am not your level of academia but I would like to make a suggestion that I feel was incomplete in this lecture. 1. Why did Ramses change the capital? Perhaps if we know the reason, it supports the theory even better. 2. Maybe the biography of Ramses in general to better understand the man that Allah quotes in the Quran. 3. Also, if you read Surah Taha 20:51-52 it is interesting that the Pharoah asked this question. Actually I can research this myself, just wanted to share my opinion. Whatever it is, Alhamdulillah you helped me understand these 3 surahs - ash shuara, taha and Yusuf better. Thank you and may Allah inspire you more!
@@tsarr09 It is believed that Ramesses II moved his capital close to Canaan where he conducted military campaigns and fought the Hittites. I would add the related possibility that the decision was influenced by his knowledge of what Avaris was like, being based in the fertile delta, and of Joseph and his role.
Dear Dr Fatoohi Please could you do a video on whether the true Mount Sinai is in Arabia? Some people have suggested that Musa crossed the sea into Arabia, and the true Mount Sinai is therefore there and not in Egypt. Jazakallah.
Dear Dr. Fatouhi, thank you. I learned and benefitted. There should also be a correlation of 7 years of plenty of water followed by 7 years of drought during the Hyksos rule in Egypt and the Near East in general. Further, similar behavior can be observed in today’s Pharaoh, the Supreme leader of The Islamic Republic of Iran where swaths of people are prevented from leaving the country where they are feared to then organize outside of the country and return to remove the Supreme Leader and his people. Lastly, you are paying close attention to the choice of words in the Quran in understanding historic events to provide further evidence of authenticity of the claim of Quran about itself that it is from God the Lord of all there is but you are not paying attention to the words where it has direct relevance to your behavior and direct salvation.
Loved your blogging theology presentations & now I'm glad you started your personal TH-cam channel, Subscribed! Amazing stuff, please do more of these videos about historical miracles , They're mind blowing. Btw i have your book in Arabic التاريخ يشهد بعصمة القرآن
Thank you. Yes, I have published books. This particular video is based on our book "The Mystery of Israel in Ancient Egypt" www.safispub.com/comparative-religion/the-mystery-of-israel-in-ancient-egypt/
@@louay.fatoohi Masha Allah, perfect, thank you very much, definitely will be looking forward to it, and perhaps one last question is there something related to the Euphrates River from the books from non prophecy side?
Assalamalikum dr fatohi, an earnest request to u ,pls make a detailed video on moses pbuh entire story in quran ,esp the exodus and which sea he crossed .
I have hear this distinction before... regarding old kingdom and the Pharaohs. They don't know about new discoveries in Egypt... They said that Quran mentioned one is Malak not Pharaoh in the time of Yousaf ale salam meaning different Kingdoms...
The Qur’an consistently calls the ruler at the time of Joseph “king” and that at the time of Moses “Pharaoh”. This reflects the fact that the ruler that Joseph lived under was from the Hyksos, who were not Egyptians. The ruler that Moses confronted, on the other hand, was an Egyptian, so his title was “Pharaoh”. The Old Testament does not make this distinction. BTW, we may like to watch my detailed discussion of the miracles of the Qur’an’s account of the exodus in my presentation on Blogging Theology th-cam.com/video/-wgC-n3Cljk/w-d-xo.html.
Salam, Dr. As an Arab revert myself, I love your content. How do you address the claim that some apologists make accusing the Quran of getting the pharaoh wrong? For instance, if it was Ramses II, some apologists say that the Quran is wrong because he died a natural death at an old age and didn’t drown, nor would he have been leading armies against Musa (AS) at such an old age. I’d love to hear your insights. Salam, and may Allah (swt) bless you. Thank you, habibi!
Thank you for your kind words. I do not believe it to be possible to determine with any certainty the cause of the death of Ramesses II from his mummy. Similarly, the argument that he could not have gone to battle because of his age is mere speculation. When dealing with ancient history, let alone this ancient, we have to work with possibilities and probabilities. It is not an exact science. Speculation and assumptions are inevitable. For instance, Moses (PBUH) is not mentioned in any Egyptian record, but historians would tell you that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You may have a look at my Blogging Theology video on the exodus for details of my analysis of the Qur’anic text and how it may be linked to ancient history.
Thank you for your reply, Dr. I agree. I only asked because certain forums and sites have said that Egyptian records indicate that he died of old age and other ailments. Is it possible that the Egyptians didn’t mention him drowning out of embarrassment, or that the records aren’t reliably traced back?
@@Strongbond1149 It is difficult to tell why a certain piece of information is not recorded in ancient records. But the Egyptians certainly would not have documented the humiliation of their Pharaoh. Ramesses II was succeeded by his son, Merneptah. He has a stela from his fifth year that contains the earliest mention of “Israel”, identifying them as a “people”. The stela is full of hyperbolic claims of victories, which some scholars claim never happened to start with. One of those alleged victories claims the complete annihilation of Israel. We know, of course, that this claim is incorrect. In my Blogging Theology video on the Exdous, I argue that this known false claim is in retaliation to the drowning of Merneptah’s father, Ramesses II, when pursuing the Israelites. This argument is itself another example of how piecing together ancient history is not an exact science.
@@louay.fatoohiDear Dr Louay, I think there is a possibility that Ramesses II died earlier than the historical record when his son Merneptah (number 13) became officially the crown price and ruled Egypt as prince Regent for 12 years before his coronation. It was easily in ancient times to hide the fact of Ramesses' death due to the isolation between the people and the ruling class. Also Merneptah is the one who first said he was eliminated Israel which can be pure propaganda after the great loss of the Egyptian army.
@@seeking4truth Thank you for the comments. The claim in the Israel stela is certainly mere propaganda, not least because we know the Israelites were not eliminated. Some scholars even think that the Canaan campaign never took place to start with. The reference to Israel is completely compatible with the view that it was retaliatory, which is how I see it. That Ramesses II died earlier than the records suggest is possible, but just like many other unprovable theories are possible. When dealing with ancient history, in particular when records are rare to nonexistent, we often have to accept that there are so many things which we would never know.
Manetho also mentioned -- as quoted by Josephus -- that some Egyptians said the Hyksos were Arabians. Which, if true, gives even more credibility to your theory; because Jethro/Shuaib/Chovev -- Moses' teacher and father in law -- was a Midianite priest. And the Pharaoh might be aware of this. Recall that it was the Ishmaelites or Midianites caravan (the Bible was confused, but either way they're Arabians -- i.e. live in Arabian peninsula) who brought Joseph to Egypt. And might be why the Hyksos named their city after their father. And also recall that their mother Hagar/Keturah was an Egyptian princess! So the Hyksos weren't originally Levantines. Even though after being defeated and expelled by the Pharaoh -- still according to Manetho -- the Hyksos migrated to the Levant, in the area that was now (in Manetho's days) known as Judea, and build the city of Jerusalem!
Yea. Also for the same reason Israelites did well and flourished during the Hyksos rule and Joseph PBUH was kept close to the ruling elite. They were considered relatives by the Hyksos.
Dr Louay, there is another possibility which may also be probable and miraculous. Palestine (al-Sham) was under Egyptian rule during among others Ramsess II. He knew Moses was migrating to these lands and it might be why Pharaoh chose this wording. Note that Pharaoh says Moses will threw them out of their land and does not specify it to Egypt. The medieval commentators did not know this fact but Allah has direct access to history. By the way I found some interesting remarks about Ramsess III accusing one of his conspirators to be the “lord of snakes” and his wife Tiye was executed for conspiring against him. Though they seem to have been successful in their killing of Ramsess III. (It’s all in Wikipedia) Ramesses III also had a habit of cutting of his enemies hands. May Allah guard you and give you success brother.
Thank you for the comment. I am aware of this possibility which I will be dealing with in a more detailed video on this subject. I will show why this suggestion couldn't explain Pharaoh's suspicion about Moses' mission.
Salam alaykom, Thank you for this analysis. I have a question regarding the crossing of the sea. As I have seen the tomb of Ramses 2 is in Luxor (I deduce from this that he lived there) but the crossing is said to have been on the Suez Canal? Is this not too far for them to go from Luxor to suez? I’d love to hear your knowledge on this. Thank you
Wa'alaykum al-salam. Ramesses II lived in Pi-Ramesses, which was his capital. The burial place near Deir el Bahari contained the mummies of Pharaohs from several dynasties. They were moved from their original graves, often because the latter were often looted. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Cache.
Did any of the Exegetes talk about the Distinction made between King and Pharoe in the Quran and Bible for the time of Moses and Joseph? Do we know for sure they had no idea? Thank you so much for responding, I am dying to know the answer.
Thank you very, very much. Very insightful, sir. I actually couldn't help feeling sorry for the Pharaoh. He was clearly anti-Semitic for very specific reasons.
There is another dimension in the Pharaoh's claims which l think it better explain the strangeness of the claim. Prophet Moses is a messenger sent by Allah the Majestic, by the miracle he displayed Pharaoh realized the implication of accepting Moses as a messenger from Allah the most high, this is because should he do that he(the absolute ruler) will now have to obey and receive command from the Prophet Moses who was sent by God Almighty. Because he was ruling Egypt by his claim of sonship to RA the Sun God. So, if he recognized Moses(as) as God's messenger his rulership would no longer be valid, that was why he was able to misled his people into believing that Moses is trying to expelled them from their land.
There are several reasons why what you say is no explanation. First, Pharaoh’s claim is "being removed from the land”, not being removed from power. This is the main observation and why the claim is strange. Your explanation equates "being removed from the land” with “being removed from power”, which effectively changes the statement, which you cannot do. When a ruler is at risk of “losing power”, no one would describe that as being at risk of “being removed from the land”! Second, Moses wanted to lead the Israelites out of Egypt, not remove Pharaoh from the throne. Pharaoh could have accepted Moses’ demand to let the Israelites leave Egypt but rejected his second demand to believe in Allah. Your view presumes that the two demands were inseparably connected, which is not the case. Indeed, the Israelites escaped, i.e. Moses tried to carry out his first demand, while Pharaoh remained an unbeliever, i.e. Moses realised that Pharaoh would not accept his second demand. It is the demand to take the Israelites out of Egypt, not the belief in Allah, that was recast by Pharaoh as an attempt to drive the Egyptians out of their land. Third, the strangeness of Pharaoh’s claim has nothing to do with rejecting Moses’ second message, i.e. that Pharaoh accepts Allah as the only God. Pharaohs happened to claim divinity, but only a minority of rulers, even in ancient times, employed such a claim. Rulers take power in various ways and with different justifications, but the main thing is having more power than their political rivals.
Responding the beginning of the video where Pharaoh says: "Moses & Haroon want to drive you out of your land" Palestine was part of Egypt. but Palestine was not considered part of holy Egypt (the land of the gods) So Palestine was considered a buffer zone. Egypt had position and control over it but they did not consider it to be part of holy Egypt. Moses' claim is that he want permission for him to take the Israelites (who were considered slaves in Egypt) to this buffer zone (Palestine). back to where they came from originally. Since Moses claimed to be a messenger from God, Pharaoh took this as a challenging force to his rule/kingdom/divinity & his holy land. Meaning He propagated the idea that Moses was inviting or introducing another land of a God which is also in the buffer zone that is actually still ruled over by pharaoh (but not considered holy or godly. So Pharaoh's claim is that Moses wants to create another holy land which might be an attraction to his own people wether now or later, & that Moses is Avoiding a direct challenge. coz the divinity of pharaoh is passed on from 1 to the other. So Pharaoh is speaking on behalf of all pharaohs or speaking as the supreme god of his people.
Thank you for the comment. I am aware that some would think Pharaoh meant Palestine. I will show in another video why the Palestine suggestion is no solution. The Delta was the destination of migration of people from the east, i.e. the Levante, for centuries before Moses. They went there because it is fertile, escaping famines and droughts. They did not go there to worship the Egyptian gods or for any other religious reason. Nor did the Egyptians live on this land because of the dominant religion there. There was no concept or evidence of mass migration to seek a better religion! Also, Moses could not even convince all Israelites of his mission. See this verse, “But no one believed in Moses except some offspring of his people, fearing Pharaoh and their chiefs” (Yūnus 10:83). There are other objections to your suggestion.
"It's well documented that the Quraan contain information,that was not know at the time of the revelation of the Quraan ,." Is this statement grammatically correct ?
in your channel about page you say "abrahamic religions" this isn't true there is no Abrahamic religion he was but a muslim who submitted to Allah, free is he from the jews and christians for Allah says 3:67 مَا كَانَ إِبْرَٰهِيمُ يَهُودِيًّۭا وَلَا نَصْرَانِيًّۭا وَلَـٰكِن كَانَ حَنِيفًۭا مُّسْلِمًۭا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ ٦٧ Ibrâhîm (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanîfa (Islâmic Monotheism - to worship none but Allâh Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn (See V.2:105). 2:135 وَقَالُوا۟ كُونُوا۟ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَـٰرَىٰ تَهْتَدُوا۟ ۗ قُلْ بَلْ مِلَّةَ إِبْرَٰهِـۧمَ حَنِيفًۭا ۖ وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ ١٣٥ And they say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided." Say (to them O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), "Nay, (we follow) only the religion of Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Hanîfa [Islâmic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allâh (Alone)], and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn (those who worshipped others along with Allâh - see V.2:105)."[1] - Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din al-Hilali & Muhammad Muhsin Khan [1](V.2) Narration about Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail. Narrated ‘Abdullâh bin ‘Umar رضي الله عنهما: The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم met Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail in the bottom of (the valley of) Baldah before the descent of any Divine revelation to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. A meal was presented to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم but he refused to eat from it. (Then it was presented to Zaid) who said, "I do not eat anything which you slaughter on your Nusub * in the name of your idols, etc. I eat only those (animals meat) on which Allâh’s Name has been mentioned at the time of (their) slaughtering." Zaid bin ‘Amr used to criticise the way Quraish used to slaughter their animals and used to say, "Allâh has created the sheep and He has sent the water for it from the sky, and He has grown the grass for it from the earth; yet you slaughter it in others than the Name of Allâh." He used to say so, for he rejected that practice and considered it as something abominable. Narrated Ibn ‘Umar رضي الله عنهما: Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail went to Shâm (the region comprising Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan), enquiring about a true religion to follow. He met a Jewish religious scholar and asked him about their religion. He said, "I intend to embrace your religion, so tell me something about it". The Jew said, "You will not embrace our religion unless you receive your share of Allâh’s Anger. Zaid said, I do not run except from Allâh’s Anger, and I will never bear a bit of it if I have the power to avoid it. Can you tell me of some other religion? He said, "I do not know any other religion except Hanîf (Islâmic Monotheism)." Zaid enquired, "What is Hanîf?" He said, "Hanîf is the religion of (the Prophet) Ibrâhîm (Abraham) عليه السلام, he was neither a Jew nor a Christian, and he used to worship none but Allâh (Alone) - Islâmic Monotheism." Then Zaid went out and met a Christian religious scholar and told him the same (as before). The Christian said, "You will not embrace our religion unless you get a share of Allâh’s Curse." Zaid replied, "I do not run except from Allâh’s Curse, and I will never bear any of Allâh’s Curse and His Anger if I have the power to avoid them. Will you tell me of some other religion?" He replied, "I do not know any other religion except Hanîf (Islâmic Monotheism)." Zaid enquired, "What is Hanîf ?" He replied "Hanîf is the religion of (the Prophet) Ibrâhîm (Abraham) عليه السلام, he was neither a Jew nor a Christian, and he used to worship none but Allâh (Alone) - Islâmic Monotheism." When Zaid heard their statement about (the religion of) Ibrâhîm (Abraham), he left that place, and when he came out, he raised both his hands and said, "O Allâh! I make You my Witness that I am on the religion of Ibrâhîm (Abraham)". Narrated Asmâ bint Abu Bakr رضي الله عنها: I saw Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail standing with his back against the Ka‘bah and saying, "O people of Quraish! By Allâh, none amongst you is on the religion of Ibrâhîm (Abraham) except me." She added: He (Zaid) used to preserve the lives of little girls: if somebody wanted to kill his daughter he would say to him, "Do not kill her for I will feed her on your behalf". So he would take her, and when she grew up nicely, he would say to her father, ‘Now if you will (wish), I will give her to you, and if you will (wish), I will feed her on your behalf." (Sahih Al-Bukhâri, Vol.5, Hadîth No.169). * Nusub: See the glossary.
For anyone interested in Dr Louay’s videos with Paul Williams from Blogging Theology, the following link will direct you to the playlist: ( th-cam.com/play/PLOWwkgknYiVwBHRy3Qchr7z09unoGLaql.html )
Maybe in one of the "prophecies" by the Pharaoh's magic advisor (decades before) was that he would be overthrown & expelled by an israelite slave, & that stuck in his head
I have dealt with this in the video. He only needed to let him leave then and keep his potential harm as far as possible, not keep him in Egypt! It is the fact that he refused Moses and the Israelites to leave that dismisses all such explanations.
@louay.fatoohi salam, dr. I did leave a comment above, but it might have been missed. How do you address the contentions that Ramses II didn’t die by drowning, but died a natural death instead? It seems to conflict with what many articles say. They often say he didn’t drown.
I'm sorry to say that you are wrong to suggest that Rameses II was the Pharaoh of Exodus, for many reasons but I can give three. 1. He died at a very old age that he would not have been able to do a fast chase after the Israelites in a chariot through the desert. 2. Israel was already established during his reign and that means that the 40 years in the wilderness had already passed. 3. The dynasty of the oppression and exodus was the 18th, Rameses II was 19th Dynasty Pharaoh.
First, thank you for watching the video. Second, you do not need to say sorry when you tell me you think I am wrong. Third, when you respond to a detailed video/article to disagree with something it says, the details of your counter view must be at least at the same level of detail as the point you are refuting. This is the only way for others to be able to form a view on the credibility of your view. Stating a belief/view is not the same as making a case for that belief/view. The following two are statements/views, not arguments: 1) “Israel was already established during his reign and that means that the 40 years in the wilderness had already passed.” 2) “The dynasty of the oppression and exodus was the 18th, Rameses II was 19th Dynasty Pharaoh”. Fourth, the point about Ramesses II’s age is a reasonable assumption, but it is no more than that: an assumption. You do not know how he died. When studying ancient history, scholars consider competing possible assumptions. They look at the merits of each and take a view on which looks to them more likely. They have to be able to explain their choice.
Dear Dr Fatoohi So are you implying that when the Hyksos ruled in Egypt, they made the native Egyptians into slaves? Is this what Pharaoh in the Qur’ann fears will happen to his people, that the semites will return to rule over them again? Also do we know anything about the origins of the pharaoh dynasties ? We’re they native Egyptians ?
It is important to note that the claim in question was made by Pharaoh and his chiefs. They were concerned about themselves, not their people. Pharaoh and his court feared that they could be toppled and lose power. They were the ruling elite, hence their apprehension.
@@louay.fatoohi Ok Thanks. So I think when the Qur’aan says Pharaoh was a tyrant in the land, he must have treated the native Egyptian population no better than the Israelites.
@@sparephone8228 Being a tyrant does not mean that Pharaoh was equally bad with all. The Qur’an makes it clear that his treatment of the Israelites was particularly evil, including enslaving them. This is one example, “Pharaoh exalted himself in the land and made its people into factions, oppressing a sector among them, slaughtering their [newborn] sons and keeping their females alive. Indeed, he was of the corrupters” (28:4). Egyptian history confirms that foreigners were often not treated as well as the native population. Nothing surprising about that.
Semite is an 18th century term invented by a frenchman. Quran has Surahs, not chapters. Hyksos are not even regarded as "Semites", they're/were regarded as "indo-european"., even if they weren't that doesn't add anything. Neferteri is the one considered a "Semite", in addition to Ramses, who was a foreigner by blood. In addition Ancient Egyptian is quite similar to classical Arabic. The Alphabet is the same. The grammar, root based system is the same. The so called Akkadian lingua-franca is just Arabic pidgin, similarly so is Aramaic and all the other artificial classifications those who dont speak Arabic make (by their criteria every Arabic country has a different language as back then languages were written dialectically, classical Arabic is the oldest form of these languages; the "proto-semetic"). In addition the exegetes'' explanation is perfectly logical; Moses wanted to take all those who believed the arbitrary classification of the believer as a "semite" is nonsensical. We know for a fact that he was an Egyptian who converted, as he was described as such, likewise with the magicians. The explanation of Al-Tabari only doesn't make sense with western fallacious arbitrary classifications shoehorned and accepted passively as truth foretold. The Quran does not divide the people into Semites and non-Semites, but rather into believers and disbelievers.
Be honest, muhammad thought that Pharaoh is a name not a title, he even wrongly mentioned that Haman is an Egyptian, in fact Haman is a Median/Persian.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله نظريتك مثيرة للاهتمام كثيرا ولكن أود التوكيد على أمر لغوي مهم, في الآية (لجميع حاذرون) "لجميع" اللام هنا عليها فتحة وهي للتوكيد وبالتالي لابد أن تترجم "Indeed we are a group" لو كانت للتعبير عن الحذر أو الخوف من جماعة أخرى لكانت اللام بالكسرة (أي لام تعليل وترقب وليس توكيد), والله أعلم
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته. عدد من الذين اطلعوا على هذا الفيديو أو على نسخته الأكثر تفصيلا على Blogging Theology قدمّوا هذا الاعتراض. أولاً، أنا أقرأ الجملة الاسمية "جميع حاذرون" بأنها المؤكدة هنا. ثانيا، إن قراءة كلمة "جميع" على أنها إشارة إلى المصريين لا تستقيم من ناحية المعنى. فمثلا، ما معنى أن يكون المصريين "حذرين" من بني إسرائيل بينما هم على وشك أن يهاجموهم عسكريا؟ ثم ما معنى أن يكون المصريين حذرين من قوم وصفوهم بأنه "شرذمة"؟ من الواضح أن الحذر لا يخص حالة بني إسرائيل حينئذ، وهذا التفسير يقود إلى أن "جميع" هي سبب الحذر وهي حالة مستقبلية ممكنة لبني إسرائيل.
أعتقد أن لام التوكيد لا تدخل على جملة بل تدخل على ما اتصلت به يا أخي وأرجو في ذلك مراجعة علماء اللغة, وهنا قد يكون المعنى أن فرعون يخبرهم أنهم كمجموعة سيحذرون من أي فخ أو خدعة من بني إسرائيل (خصوصا انه كان يخبرهم أن سيدنا موسى ساحر عليم وهو مما يخافه المصريون حتى يومنا هذا) فالمعنى يحتمل أشياء كثيرة بحسب ما يحذر المصريون ولا يشترط أن يكون الخوف من قوة عسكرية حربية @@louay.fatoohi
Be honest with me. . Surah 81:23 strait up lies because of Surah 53:3-5. In Surah 81:23, Mohammed is saying he saw Gabriel in his Angelic form, but Surah 53:3-5 mentions Mohammed never speaks of his own desires, and that he only recites what he was told to recite. How can Mohammed have actually seen Angel Gabriel in Surah 81, since the Quran itself (including Surah 81) was only told to him and nothing more?
Sorry but the prophet mohamed knew some stories told in the bible since he was in contact with the Jews and Christians of the time who came to trade in Arabia. Besides, how not to see the influence of Jews and Christians in Islam. Stop looking for justifications Muslims. If you read historical books, you will see that Islam is a rebuilt religion in concordance of knowledges science of previous time. Mohammed never make miracles. Jesus never spoke about science, he spoke about charity against Jews pharisiens of his time who were hypocrites. And Greek science from -500 before JC came to muslims through Alexandria ´s librairie of Egypt.
Timestamps
00:35 King and Pharaoh distinction
02:21 Another historical miracle, the relevant Qur'anic verses
9:30 Muslim exegetes trying to explain the perplexing verses
9:55 Tabari's explanation
11:44 Razi's explanation
13:28 Ibn Kathir's explanation
15:51 Ibn Ashur's explanation
20:15 Some episodes in Egyptian History that might shade some light
21:25 15th dynasty , a dynasty of Semite rulers
27:57 How to make sense of Pharaoh's strange claim by using the information about Semite rulers of 15th Dynasty
36:22 Plausibility that Rameses II might be aware of the happenings of the 15th dynasty and Joseph
37:51 Conclusion: a historical miracle
Thank you very much for the very useful timestamps.
Looay, you can just put this timestamps in the desc, and change the 00:35 to 00:00 and the chapter feature would work!
The timestamps work fine as far as I can tell, apart from the first one, as you have noticed. I do not think I can edit them because they were posted by a viewer.
I don’t think the pharaoh of the exodus is Ramses the great. I think it’s Thutmoses iii because based on the Old Testament the timing of the exodus is 480 years from the building of the temple of Solomon. 1 Kings 6 states “In the four hundred and eightieth[a] year after the Israelites came out of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the Lord.”
This gives a date for the exodus because it is commonly agreed by biblical scholars that the building of the temple of Solomon started in 966BC. Using the lunar calendar 480 lunar years is equivalent to 465 solar or Gregorian years which places the dating of the exodus to 1431BC which is late in the reign of Thutmoses iii. Based on the lower Egypt chronology Thutmoses iii died circa 1425BC at a relatively young age of 54 years old compared to Ramses ii who died of old age at 90 years old. I can’t imagine Ramses chasing after Musa AS in chariots at that age.
@@kamj1969 Scholars disagreed and will continue to disagree on the identity of the Pharaoh for various reasons. However, historians would not take the Biblical figures for guidance! It is well-established that Biblical durations are highly unreliable. Numerous scholars have written on this. You can check out my own critique of some of the exodus-related Biblical numbers in this video th-cam.com/video/-wgC-n3Cljk/w-d-xo.html.
This was truly incredible to watch and learn. I have always wondered why Pharoah made that assumption when Moses just wanted to exit Egypt safely with the Children of Israel. Barak Allah feek for your excellent explanation. I pray this video reaches more people.
Thank you. Please share it with anyone you think might be interested in it.
@@louay.fatoohi Done 👍
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This is actually mind blowing. I’m really intrigued to read your book .
Great analysis, i hope it gets more recognition academically in the west.
Thank you.
What's amazed me is how in the western academic sphere, the secular rulebook that they follow doesnt allow them to admit to any of these historical miracles/accuracies in the Qur'an, but even then, even when that's the setting, we've had the western scholar Agenlika Neuwirth mentioning how the word that the Qur'an uses for Jesus(AS)'s disciples were definitely much more historically accurate than to be expected for someone living during the Prophet(SAW)'s time
You are right in your observation, but I should stress that what I discuss in this video, , unlike other topics, has not been publicised even by Muslims, even though we first wrote about it exactly 25 years ago. For example, our identification of the Pharaoh of Moses from the fact that the Qur’an speaks about one Pharaoh has been picked up and used by other Muslims. But this particular issue remains unknown. I think the main challenge is that it is very subtle, so careful linking of specific historical information is needed to show the amazing nature of the Qur’an’s report of Pharaoh’s claim.
What did Angelika Neuwirth say? I'm interested to know.
@@stuntxl5783 I’m not sure of the exact wording of what she said, but it can be found in brother Louay’s episode on blogging theology about ancient egypt and the Quran
@@unhingedconnoisseur164 Jazakallah. I'm assuming it's to do with the word 'Al Hawariyyun'?
@@stuntxl5783 if i recall correctly it’s to do with al nasara
Thank you, Dr. Louai for your investigative efforts. May I suggest recounting all the scientific miracles of the Quran, like we created all living things from water, we brought down iron, we created everything from nothing and are expanding the universe, etc. When did these things become known? It would be very interesting. Thank you.
Just wow Allah SWT indeed is Worthy Of Worship! May Allah SWT bless you endlessly Fatoohi
May Allah preserve you in your knowledge Dr Louey Fatoohi. I have seen your interviews with brother Paul Williams on blogging theology. Now I just found your channel and am following you as well. Masha'Allah beautiful presentation Dr Louey Fatoohi, baaraka Allahu feek
Thank you. I am pleased you found the videos useful.
Allah bless you Sir Louay. Hearing you talk is like hearing my late Grandfather explain history and religion to me. May he rest in peace and may you be granted with health and reward for your amazing job. JazakAllah Sir.
Jazaka Allahu kharan.
Excellent analysis
May Allah bless you
This is incredible wa Allah ou a3lam
Thank you.
Alhamdulillah Dr. I’m so happy to have found that you have a TH-cam channel Allah Bless you,
Thank you, brother, for the kind words and for subscribing to my channel.
Inshallah will listen to this.
I have watched your videos on blogging theology. May Allah accept your beneficial Work and protect you and your Family and All the Muslims.Ameen
Thank you.
Interesting analysis, Jazakumulloh for sharing may Allah reward your effort
Really phenomenal analysis, mashallah! Keep up the amazing work, this is so beneficial
JazakAllah khayr Dr. Fatoohi. Keep them coming 😁
The Glorious Qur'an explain and as a criterion for earlier scriptures writtened by men.
During the period of Prophet Joseph(pbuh) the Egyptian ruler was a King; while in the period of Prophet Moshes(pbuh) the ruler was called Pharoah.
Absolutely superb. māshā’Allah.
No , boring, كلام متقطع وكثير الاعاده
@@waleedalgharabally9385...I thought the video was superb? Anyway can you share some of your work so that we can learn and improve also? 😮 thanks in advance!
Brilliant analysis Dr. Your channel is very underrated.
Thank you. It is a new channel, so insha Allah its subscribers and viewers witll grow with time.
@@louay.fatoohiassalamu alaikum Dr, what are your thoughts on haman's name in the Quran? A lot of christians claim that Quran got the name of haman wrong and they say that the name was in the book of esther and the Quran copied from it.
@@user-nd3ki2mh9i Wa'alaykum al-salam. Yes, I have analysed this and showed that Haman is far more likely to be an Egyptian minister than the character in the book of Esther. Apologists aside, scholars agree the narrative of Esether is fictional. It is not only that Haman could not belong to that narrative. The story itself is unhistorical. I hope to publish a video on this topic at some point, insha Allah.
Masha Allah Dr Fatoohi, I was impressed by.your explanation when watching blogging theology, and now you have your own channel! May Allah reward you and assist you.
I read your blog too, but I found that the way you explain made the studies more compelling, like it helped us go through your thought process :) feels like cracking a code :) thanks for sharing your expertise
Thank you for your kind words. I am pleased you like the videos and blogs.
When I give any topic, I do my best to give the reader/viewer all the background information so that they can assess the thinking and be in a position to examine it further, should they like to do so.
Dr Fatoohi,
I am not your level of academia but I would like to make a suggestion that I feel was incomplete in this lecture.
1. Why did Ramses change the capital? Perhaps if we know the reason, it supports the theory even better.
2. Maybe the biography of Ramses in general to better understand the man that Allah quotes in the Quran.
3. Also, if you read Surah Taha 20:51-52 it is interesting that the Pharoah asked this question.
Actually I can research this myself, just wanted to share my opinion.
Whatever it is, Alhamdulillah you helped me understand these 3 surahs - ash shuara, taha and Yusuf better.
Thank you and may Allah inspire you more!
@@tsarr09 It is believed that Ramesses II moved his capital close to Canaan where he conducted military campaigns and fought the Hittites. I would add the related possibility that the decision was influenced by his knowledge of what Avaris was like, being based in the fertile delta, and of Joseph and his role.
Dear Dr Fatoohi
Please could you do a video on whether the true Mount Sinai is in Arabia? Some people have suggested that Musa crossed the sea into Arabia, and the true Mount Sinai is therefore there and not in Egypt.
Jazakallah.
@@AR-tm8mc It is not something that I have studied but if I do, insha Allah I will share my findings.
Alhamdulillah thanks prof.
Thanks also for your excellent translations of Shaikh Abdul Qadir al-Jilani books.
بارك الله فيك وفي علمك دكتور لؤي.
بحث مفيد وعلمي واستنتاج مقنع.
جزاك الله خيرا.
May Allah SWT guide people through your work and efforts. This is amazing masha llah!
Dear Dr. Fatouhi, thank you. I learned and benefitted. There should also be a correlation of 7 years of plenty of water followed by 7 years of drought during the Hyksos rule in Egypt and the Near East in general. Further, similar behavior can be observed in today’s Pharaoh, the Supreme leader of The Islamic Republic of Iran where swaths of people are prevented from leaving the country where they are feared to then organize outside of the country and return to remove the Supreme Leader and his people. Lastly, you are paying close attention to the choice of words in the Quran in understanding historic events to provide further evidence of authenticity of the claim of Quran about itself that it is from God the Lord of all there is but you are not paying attention to the words where it has direct relevance to your behavior and direct salvation.
Loved your blogging theology presentations & now I'm glad you started your personal TH-cam channel, Subscribed! Amazing stuff, please do more of these videos about historical miracles , They're mind blowing.
Btw i have your book in Arabic التاريخ يشهد بعصمة القرآن
Thank you
@@louay.fatoohi
You're welcomed Dr!
جزاك الله خيراً ، و بارك الله في عملك.
Excuse me for asking do you publish some books or something? your explanation so structured and comprehensive
Thank you. Yes, I have published books. This particular video is based on our book "The Mystery of Israel in Ancient Egypt" www.safispub.com/comparative-religion/the-mystery-of-israel-in-ancient-egypt/
@@louay.fatoohi Masha Allah, perfect, thank you very much, definitely will be looking forward to it, and perhaps one last question is there something related to the Euphrates River from the books from non prophecy side?
Fantastic. Thank you for your contributions brother.
Thanks Alot , Jazak Allah Khaid,
عليك سلام من الله ورحمة ، جزيت خيرا على هذا التقديم المعمق والدقيق ، حفظك الله دكتور لؤي وزادك علما وافاد من علمك المسلمين وغير المسلمين
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته. جزاكم الله خيرا.
May Allah swt mercy be upon you Dr. Fatoohi. Mashaallahu on your scholastic achievement.
Assalamalikum dr fatohi, an earnest request to u ,pls make a detailed video on moses pbuh entire story in quran ,esp the exodus and which sea he crossed .
Insha Allah.
JazakAllah Dr.
Excellent video. Please keep them comming
Dr louay. god bless you, it is a remarkable research ❤
Glad to see your own channel for your own contents mA
I have hear this distinction before... regarding old kingdom and the Pharaohs. They don't know about new discoveries in Egypt... They said that Quran mentioned one is Malak not Pharaoh in the time of Yousaf ale salam meaning different Kingdoms...
The Qur’an consistently calls the ruler at the time of Joseph “king” and that at the time of Moses “Pharaoh”. This reflects the fact that the ruler that Joseph lived under was from the Hyksos, who were not Egyptians. The ruler that Moses confronted, on the other hand, was an Egyptian, so his title was “Pharaoh”. The Old Testament does not make this distinction.
BTW, we may like to watch my detailed discussion of the miracles of the Qur’an’s account of the exodus in my presentation on Blogging Theology th-cam.com/video/-wgC-n3Cljk/w-d-xo.html.
Salam, Dr. As an Arab revert myself, I love your content. How do you address the claim that some apologists make accusing the Quran of getting the pharaoh wrong? For instance, if it was Ramses II, some apologists say that the Quran is wrong because he died a natural death at an old age and didn’t drown, nor would he have been leading armies against Musa (AS) at such an old age. I’d love to hear your insights. Salam, and may Allah (swt) bless you. Thank you, habibi!
Thank you for your kind words.
I do not believe it to be possible to determine with any certainty the cause of the death of Ramesses II from his mummy. Similarly, the argument that he could not have gone to battle because of his age is mere speculation. When dealing with ancient history, let alone this ancient, we have to work with possibilities and probabilities. It is not an exact science. Speculation and assumptions are inevitable. For instance, Moses (PBUH) is not mentioned in any Egyptian record, but historians would tell you that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You may have a look at my Blogging Theology video on the exodus for details of my analysis of the Qur’anic text and how it may be linked to ancient history.
Thank you for your reply, Dr. I agree. I only asked because certain forums and sites have said that Egyptian records indicate that he died of old age and other ailments. Is it possible that the Egyptians didn’t mention him drowning out of embarrassment, or that the records aren’t reliably traced back?
@@Strongbond1149 It is difficult to tell why a certain piece of information is not recorded in ancient records. But the Egyptians certainly would not have documented the humiliation of their Pharaoh. Ramesses II was succeeded by his son, Merneptah. He has a stela from his fifth year that contains the earliest mention of “Israel”, identifying them as a “people”. The stela is full of hyperbolic claims of victories, which some scholars claim never happened to start with. One of those alleged victories claims the complete annihilation of Israel. We know, of course, that this claim is incorrect. In my Blogging Theology video on the Exdous, I argue that this known false claim is in retaliation to the drowning of Merneptah’s father, Ramesses II, when pursuing the Israelites. This argument is itself another example of how piecing together ancient history is not an exact science.
@@louay.fatoohiDear Dr Louay, I think there is a possibility that Ramesses II died earlier than the historical record when his son Merneptah (number 13) became officially the crown price and ruled Egypt as prince Regent for 12 years before his coronation. It was easily in ancient times to hide the fact of Ramesses' death due to the isolation between the people and the ruling class. Also Merneptah is the one who first said he was eliminated Israel which can be pure propaganda after the great loss of the Egyptian army.
@@seeking4truth Thank you for the comments. The claim in the Israel stela is certainly mere propaganda, not least because we know the Israelites were not eliminated. Some scholars even think that the Canaan campaign never took place to start with. The reference to Israel is completely compatible with the view that it was retaliatory, which is how I see it.
That Ramesses II died earlier than the records suggest is possible, but just like many other unprovable theories are possible. When dealing with ancient history, in particular when records are rare to nonexistent, we often have to accept that there are so many things which we would never know.
Manetho also mentioned -- as quoted by Josephus -- that some Egyptians said the Hyksos were Arabians. Which, if true, gives even more credibility to your theory; because Jethro/Shuaib/Chovev -- Moses' teacher and father in law -- was a Midianite priest. And the Pharaoh might be aware of this.
Recall that it was the Ishmaelites or Midianites caravan (the Bible was confused, but either way they're Arabians -- i.e. live in Arabian peninsula) who brought Joseph to Egypt. And might be why the Hyksos named their city after their father. And also recall that their mother Hagar/Keturah was an Egyptian princess!
So the Hyksos weren't originally Levantines. Even though after being defeated and expelled by the Pharaoh -- still according to Manetho -- the Hyksos migrated to the Levant, in the area that was now (in Manetho's days) known as Judea, and build the city of Jerusalem!
Great work akhi.
Yea. Also for the same reason Israelites did well and flourished during the Hyksos rule and Joseph PBUH was kept close to the ruling elite. They were considered relatives by the Hyksos.
Rare Gems, Loved it.
Ma sha Allah ❤
Dr Louay, there is another possibility which may also be probable and miraculous. Palestine (al-Sham) was under Egyptian rule during among others Ramsess II. He knew Moses was migrating to these lands and it might be why Pharaoh chose this wording. Note that Pharaoh says Moses will threw them out of their land and does not specify it to Egypt. The medieval commentators did not know this fact but Allah has direct access to history. By the way I found some interesting remarks about Ramsess III accusing one of his conspirators to be the “lord of snakes” and his wife Tiye was executed for conspiring against him. Though they seem to have been successful in their killing of Ramsess III. (It’s all in Wikipedia) Ramesses III also had a habit of cutting of his enemies hands. May Allah guard you and give you success brother.
Thank you for the comment. I am aware of this possibility which I will be dealing with in a more detailed video on this subject. I will show why this suggestion couldn't explain Pharaoh's suspicion about Moses' mission.
@@louay.fatoohiJazak’Allah khayr
Please have a look at this in which I deal with the question you raised th-cam.com/video/0ZO6pXVCojU/w-d-xo.html
Salam brother. Do you have any books written on historical events from the Bible or the Qur'an? May Allah reward you.
Wa'alaykum al-salam. These are some of my books in this area www.safispub.com/book-category/comparative-religion/
Salam alaykom,
Thank you for this analysis. I have a question regarding the crossing of the sea. As I have seen the tomb of Ramses 2 is in Luxor (I deduce from this that he lived there) but the crossing is said to have been on the Suez Canal? Is this not too far for them to go from Luxor to suez? I’d love to hear your knowledge on this. Thank you
Wa'alaykum al-salam.
Ramesses II lived in Pi-Ramesses, which was his capital. The burial place near Deir el Bahari contained the mummies of Pharaohs from several dynasties. They were moved from their original graves, often because the latter were often looted. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Cache.
Did any of the Exegetes talk about the Distinction made between King and Pharoe in the Quran and Bible for the time of Moses and Joseph? Do we know for sure they had no idea? Thank you so much for responding, I am dying to know the answer.
I am not aware of any classical exegete who made this observation.
@@louay.fatoohi what is the most compelling argument on how no one at the time of the Prophet knew hieroglyphics?
Thank you very, very much. Very insightful, sir. I actually couldn't help feeling sorry for the Pharaoh. He was clearly anti-Semitic for very specific reasons.
There is another dimension in the Pharaoh's claims which l think it better explain the strangeness of the claim.
Prophet Moses is a messenger sent by Allah the Majestic, by the miracle he displayed Pharaoh realized the implication of accepting Moses as a messenger from Allah the most high, this is because should he do that he(the absolute ruler) will now have to obey and receive command from the Prophet Moses who was sent by God Almighty.
Because he was ruling Egypt by his claim of sonship to RA the Sun God. So, if he recognized Moses(as) as God's messenger his rulership would no longer be valid, that was why he was able to misled his people into believing that Moses is trying to expelled them from their land.
There are several reasons why what you say is no explanation. First, Pharaoh’s claim is "being removed from the land”, not being removed from power. This is the main observation and why the claim is strange. Your explanation equates "being removed from the land” with “being removed from power”, which effectively changes the statement, which you cannot do. When a ruler is at risk of “losing power”, no one would describe that as being at risk of “being removed from the land”!
Second, Moses wanted to lead the Israelites out of Egypt, not remove Pharaoh from the throne. Pharaoh could have accepted Moses’ demand to let the Israelites leave Egypt but rejected his second demand to believe in Allah. Your view presumes that the two demands were inseparably connected, which is not the case. Indeed, the Israelites escaped, i.e. Moses tried to carry out his first demand, while Pharaoh remained an unbeliever, i.e. Moses realised that Pharaoh would not accept his second demand. It is the demand to take the Israelites out of Egypt, not the belief in Allah, that was recast by Pharaoh as an attempt to drive the Egyptians out of their land.
Third, the strangeness of Pharaoh’s claim has nothing to do with rejecting Moses’ second message, i.e. that Pharaoh accepts Allah as the only God. Pharaohs happened to claim divinity, but only a minority of rulers, even in ancient times, employed such a claim. Rulers take power in various ways and with different justifications, but the main thing is having more power than their political rivals.
Thank you
Subhanullah
Great work. Subhan Allah.
Responding the beginning of the video where Pharaoh says: "Moses & Haroon want to drive you out of your land"
Palestine was part of Egypt. but Palestine was not considered part of holy Egypt (the land of the gods)
So Palestine was considered a buffer zone. Egypt had position and control over it but they did not consider it to be part of holy Egypt.
Moses' claim is that he want permission for him to take the Israelites (who were considered slaves in Egypt) to this buffer zone (Palestine). back to where they came from originally.
Since Moses claimed to be a messenger from God, Pharaoh took this as a challenging force to his rule/kingdom/divinity & his holy land.
Meaning He propagated the idea that Moses was inviting or introducing another land of a God which is also in the buffer zone that is actually still ruled over by pharaoh (but not considered holy or godly. So Pharaoh's claim is that Moses wants to create another holy land which might be an attraction to his own people wether now or later, & that Moses is Avoiding a direct challenge.
coz the divinity of pharaoh is passed on from 1 to the other. So Pharaoh is speaking on behalf of all pharaohs or speaking as the supreme god of his people.
Thank you for the comment. I am aware that some would think Pharaoh meant Palestine. I will show in another video why the Palestine suggestion is no solution.
The Delta was the destination of migration of people from the east, i.e. the Levante, for centuries before Moses. They went there because it is fertile, escaping famines and droughts. They did not go there to worship the Egyptian gods or for any other religious reason. Nor did the Egyptians live on this land because of the dominant religion there. There was no concept or evidence of mass migration to seek a better religion!
Also, Moses could not even convince all Israelites of his mission. See this verse, “But no one believed in Moses except some offspring of his people, fearing Pharaoh and their chiefs” (Yūnus 10:83).
There are other objections to your suggestion.
Please have a look at this in which I deal with the question you raised th-cam.com/video/0ZO6pXVCojU/w-d-xo.html
"It's well documented that the Quraan contain information,that was not know at the time of the revelation of the Quraan ,." Is this statement grammatically correct ?
The word pharaoh was first used around 1400 BC. Prior to that other names were used.
in your channel about page you say "abrahamic religions" this isn't true there is no Abrahamic religion he was but a muslim who submitted to Allah, free is he from the jews and christians
for Allah says
3:67
مَا كَانَ إِبْرَٰهِيمُ يَهُودِيًّۭا وَلَا نَصْرَانِيًّۭا وَلَـٰكِن كَانَ حَنِيفًۭا مُّسْلِمًۭا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ ٦٧
Ibrâhîm (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanîfa (Islâmic Monotheism - to worship none but Allâh Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn (See V.2:105).
2:135
وَقَالُوا۟ كُونُوا۟ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَـٰرَىٰ تَهْتَدُوا۟ ۗ قُلْ بَلْ مِلَّةَ إِبْرَٰهِـۧمَ حَنِيفًۭا ۖ وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ ١٣٥
And they say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided." Say (to them O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), "Nay, (we follow) only the religion of Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Hanîfa [Islâmic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allâh (Alone)], and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn (those who worshipped others along with Allâh - see V.2:105)."[1]
- Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din al-Hilali & Muhammad Muhsin Khan
[1](V.2) Narration about Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail.
Narrated ‘Abdullâh bin ‘Umar رضي الله عنهما: The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم met Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail in the bottom of (the valley of) Baldah before the descent of any Divine revelation to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. A meal was presented to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم but he refused to eat from it. (Then it was presented to Zaid) who said, "I do not eat anything which you slaughter on your Nusub * in the name of your idols, etc. I eat only those (animals meat) on which Allâh’s Name has been mentioned at the time of (their) slaughtering." Zaid bin ‘Amr used to criticise the way Quraish used to slaughter their animals and used to say, "Allâh has created the sheep and He has sent the water for it from the sky, and He has grown the grass for it from the earth; yet you slaughter it in others than the Name of Allâh." He used to say so, for he rejected that practice and considered it as something abominable.
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar رضي الله عنهما: Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail went to Shâm (the region comprising Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan), enquiring about a true religion to follow. He met a Jewish religious scholar and asked him about their religion. He said, "I intend to embrace your religion, so tell me something about it". The Jew said, "You will not embrace our religion unless you receive your share of Allâh’s Anger. Zaid said, I do not run except from Allâh’s Anger, and I will never bear a bit of it if I have the power to avoid it. Can you tell me of some other religion? He said, "I do not know any other religion except Hanîf (Islâmic Monotheism)." Zaid enquired, "What is Hanîf?" He said, "Hanîf is the religion of (the Prophet) Ibrâhîm (Abraham) عليه السلام, he was neither a Jew nor a Christian, and he used to worship none but Allâh (Alone) - Islâmic Monotheism." Then Zaid went out and met a Christian religious scholar and told him the same (as before). The Christian said, "You will not embrace our religion unless you get a share of Allâh’s Curse." Zaid replied, "I do not run except from Allâh’s Curse, and I will never bear any of Allâh’s Curse and His Anger if I have the power to avoid them. Will you tell me of some other religion?" He replied, "I do not know any other religion except Hanîf (Islâmic Monotheism)." Zaid enquired, "What is Hanîf ?" He replied "Hanîf is the religion of (the Prophet) Ibrâhîm (Abraham) عليه السلام, he was neither a Jew nor a Christian, and he used to worship none but Allâh (Alone) - Islâmic Monotheism." When Zaid heard their statement about (the religion of) Ibrâhîm (Abraham), he left that place, and when he came out, he raised both his hands and said, "O Allâh! I make You my Witness that I am on the religion of Ibrâhîm (Abraham)".
Narrated Asmâ bint Abu Bakr رضي الله عنها: I saw Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail standing with his back against the Ka‘bah and saying, "O people of Quraish! By Allâh, none amongst you is on the religion of Ibrâhîm (Abraham) except me." She added: He (Zaid) used to preserve the lives of little girls: if somebody wanted to kill his daughter he would say to him, "Do not kill her for I will feed her on your behalf". So he would take her, and when she grew up nicely, he would say to her father, ‘Now if you will (wish), I will give her to you, and if you will (wish), I will feed her on your behalf." (Sahih Al-Bukhâri, Vol.5, Hadîth No.169).
* Nusub: See the glossary.
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Maybe in one of the "prophecies" by the Pharaoh's magic advisor (decades before) was that he would be overthrown & expelled by an israelite slave, & that stuck in his head
I have dealt with this in the video. He only needed to let him leave then and keep his potential harm as far as possible, not keep him in Egypt! It is the fact that he refused Moses and the Israelites to leave that dismisses all such explanations.
Was ramses ii the one that drowned? If not then who? Thank you
Yes, according to our analysis it was Ramesses II. I discuss this in detail in this video th-cam.com/video/-wgC-n3Cljk/w-d-xo.html.
@louay.fatoohi salam, dr. I did leave a comment above, but it might have been missed. How do you address the contentions that Ramses II didn’t die by drowning, but died a natural death instead? It seems to conflict with what many articles say. They often say he didn’t drown.
My apology. I have replied to the comment.
@@louay.fatoohi thank you. great historical analysis
Highly interesting.
I'm sorry to say that you are wrong to suggest that Rameses II was the Pharaoh of Exodus, for many reasons but I can give three.
1. He died at a very old age that he would not have been able to do a fast chase after the Israelites in a chariot through the desert.
2. Israel was already established during his reign and that means that the 40 years in the wilderness had already passed.
3. The dynasty of the oppression and exodus was the 18th, Rameses II was 19th Dynasty Pharaoh.
First, thank you for watching the video.
Second, you do not need to say sorry when you tell me you think I am wrong.
Third, when you respond to a detailed video/article to disagree with something it says, the details of your counter view must be at least at the same level of detail as the point you are refuting. This is the only way for others to be able to form a view on the credibility of your view. Stating a belief/view is not the same as making a case for that belief/view. The following two are statements/views, not arguments:
1) “Israel was already established during his reign and that means that the 40 years in the wilderness had already passed.”
2) “The dynasty of the oppression and exodus was the 18th, Rameses II was 19th Dynasty Pharaoh”.
Fourth, the point about Ramesses II’s age is a reasonable assumption, but it is no more than that: an assumption. You do not know how he died.
When studying ancient history, scholars consider competing possible assumptions. They look at the merits of each and take a view on which looks to them more likely. They have to be able to explain their choice.
Dear Dr Fatoohi
So are you implying that when the Hyksos ruled in Egypt, they made the native Egyptians into slaves? Is this what Pharaoh in the Qur’ann fears will happen to his people, that the semites will return to rule over them again? Also do we know anything about the origins of the pharaoh dynasties ? We’re they native Egyptians ?
It is important to note that the claim in question was made by Pharaoh and his chiefs. They were concerned about themselves, not their people. Pharaoh and his court feared that they could be toppled and lose power. They were the ruling elite, hence their apprehension.
@@louay.fatoohi Ok Thanks. So I think when the Qur’aan says Pharaoh was a tyrant in the land, he must have treated the native Egyptian population no better than the Israelites.
@@sparephone8228 Being a tyrant does not mean that Pharaoh was equally bad with all. The Qur’an makes it clear that his treatment of the Israelites was particularly evil, including enslaving them. This is one example, “Pharaoh exalted himself in the land and made its people into factions, oppressing a sector among them, slaughtering their [newborn] sons and keeping their females alive. Indeed, he was of the corrupters” (28:4). Egyptian history confirms that foreigners were often not treated as well as the native population. Nothing surprising about that.
Semite is an 18th century term invented by a frenchman. Quran has Surahs, not chapters. Hyksos are not even regarded as "Semites", they're/were regarded as "indo-european"., even if they weren't that doesn't add anything. Neferteri is the one considered a "Semite", in addition to Ramses, who was a foreigner by blood. In addition Ancient Egyptian is quite similar to classical Arabic. The Alphabet is the same. The grammar, root based system is the same. The so called Akkadian lingua-franca is just Arabic pidgin, similarly so is Aramaic and all the other artificial classifications those who dont speak Arabic make (by their criteria every Arabic country has a different language as back then languages were written dialectically, classical Arabic is the oldest form of these languages; the "proto-semetic"). In addition the exegetes'' explanation is perfectly logical; Moses wanted to take all those who believed the arbitrary classification of the believer as a "semite" is nonsensical. We know for a fact that he was an Egyptian who converted, as he was described as such, likewise with the magicians. The explanation of Al-Tabari only doesn't make sense with western fallacious arbitrary classifications shoehorned and accepted passively as truth foretold. The Quran does not divide the people into Semites and non-Semites, but rather into believers and disbelievers.
Be honest, muhammad thought that Pharaoh is a name not a title, he even wrongly mentioned that Haman is an Egyptian, in fact Haman is a Median/Persian.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله
نظريتك مثيرة للاهتمام كثيرا ولكن أود التوكيد على أمر لغوي مهم, في الآية (لجميع حاذرون) "لجميع" اللام هنا عليها فتحة وهي للتوكيد وبالتالي لابد أن تترجم "Indeed we are a group" لو كانت للتعبير عن الحذر أو الخوف من جماعة أخرى لكانت اللام بالكسرة (أي لام تعليل وترقب وليس توكيد), والله أعلم
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته. عدد من الذين اطلعوا على هذا الفيديو أو على نسخته الأكثر تفصيلا على Blogging Theology قدمّوا هذا الاعتراض. أولاً، أنا أقرأ الجملة الاسمية "جميع حاذرون" بأنها المؤكدة هنا.
ثانيا، إن قراءة كلمة "جميع" على أنها إشارة إلى المصريين لا تستقيم من ناحية المعنى. فمثلا، ما معنى أن يكون المصريين "حذرين" من بني إسرائيل بينما هم على وشك أن يهاجموهم عسكريا؟ ثم ما معنى أن يكون المصريين حذرين من قوم وصفوهم بأنه "شرذمة"؟ من الواضح أن الحذر لا يخص حالة بني إسرائيل حينئذ، وهذا التفسير يقود إلى أن "جميع" هي سبب الحذر وهي حالة مستقبلية ممكنة لبني إسرائيل.
أعتقد أن لام التوكيد لا تدخل على جملة بل تدخل على ما اتصلت به يا أخي وأرجو في ذلك مراجعة علماء اللغة, وهنا قد يكون المعنى أن فرعون يخبرهم أنهم كمجموعة سيحذرون من أي فخ أو خدعة من بني إسرائيل (خصوصا انه كان يخبرهم أن سيدنا موسى ساحر عليم وهو مما يخافه المصريون حتى يومنا هذا) فالمعنى يحتمل أشياء كثيرة بحسب ما يحذر المصريون ولا يشترط أن يكون الخوف من قوة عسكرية حربية
@@louay.fatoohi
It was not known by Muhammad that the shape of the earth is elliptical. So the Qur'an must be from Allah
why are you talking just about banu ksraeel? The magicians converted
Pharoh is his name not a title...
grass is blue water is pink
Be honest with me. .
Surah 81:23 strait up lies because of Surah 53:3-5.
In Surah 81:23, Mohammed is saying he saw Gabriel in his Angelic form, but Surah 53:3-5 mentions Mohammed never speaks of his own desires, and that he only recites what he was told to recite.
How can Mohammed have actually seen Angel Gabriel in Surah 81, since the Quran itself (including Surah 81) was only told to him and nothing more?
Your lack of understanding is surprising.
There is a great difference between seeing something and not speaking own desires. You are mixing up things
@@Mauri7782
Mohammed didn't see it, because it was "only a revelation" told to him.
It is a contradiction.
Food that the Prophet ate was also a revelation?
@@parvezhussain691
Wasn't it Angel Gabriel who taught him all revelations? So the food was Angel Gabriel too?
@@theriveroffaith852 a relevation can be tested on truth
Its in fact the shallowest book of 'religion' out there.
Sorry but the prophet mohamed knew some stories told in the bible since he was in contact with the Jews and Christians of the time who came to trade in Arabia.
Besides, how not to see the influence of Jews and Christians in Islam.
Stop looking for justifications Muslims.
If you read historical books, you will see that Islam is a rebuilt religion in concordance of knowledges science of previous time.
Mohammed never make miracles.
Jesus never spoke about science, he spoke about charity against Jews pharisiens of his time who were hypocrites.
And Greek science from -500 before JC came to muslims through Alexandria ´s librairie of Egypt.
Allahuma Barik 🌸 @Louay Fatoohi