We know the largest order thus far in the UK is for a 1 GWh battery storage site that will cost £270m. In contrast, the Staythorpe CCGT power plant was built for about £700m and can supply over 40 GWh of energy each day, day after day, week after week. The proposed extension to the Cruachan pumped hydro scheme will provide energy storage at about 20% of the cost of electrical batteries AND should last for at least 60 years.
Is it possible to obtain copies of the data? We provide commercial services to a BESS developer and the overall prices are substantially higher than this. May well be down to economies of scale, but it would be good to understand the sources
Hi David - yes, there's a full breakdown of cost components included in the report, which is available to Modo Energy's forecast subscribers, and can be found here: modoenergy.com/research/battery-energy-storage-capex-containerised-bess-development-costs-oem-balance-plant-bop-grid-connections-survey-2024
Customers v2g EVs are dirt cheap storage, a massive energy bank parked 23hrs every day and all night long. Dirt cheap. There are 41.2 million vehicles in the UK. Most parked 23hrs every day. After you have replaced your ICE vehicle the storage is FREE. You would have to be as dumb as dog dirt not to maximise the UTILIZATION of your parked vehicle. UTILIZATION FACTOR goes from 1 in 24hrs to 24hrs in 24hrs. From 4% to 100%. Were you trying to trick me ???? 😮 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Kind of agree but with massive yea buts: 1: yes, cars are parked most of the time. Thing is though, they are used to go somewhere, and when they do, they are no longer at your home! usually for 9-10 hours a day 2:yes, car batteries are massive, but the inverters aren't. Usually, V2G is only rated at 3ish kW, sometimes a bit more if they can output 3phase, but I haven't seen any with more than 15kW. 3: Some gain could be had by tapping into the DC bus with an external inverter, but you'd be hard pressed to find an inverter that takes more than 100V, most are 48V. Most car nominal DC busses are 400-800V now. 4: relax your mammeries man, not everything is a conspiracy, and while mount Dunning-Kruger isn't real, you seem to be yelling of it
@@rasmAn2Chances are, the electrical supply cable into your home, and the transformer to which it connected is only rated for about 1.5kW average load, so it won't be a question of V2G, it will be V2 house, which relieves loading on the grid. It also means when everyone has an EV no-one will be drawing more than about 7.5kWh per day to charge their EV.
@rasmAn2 The kettle is only consuming power for a couple of minutes at a time. The washing machine consumes most of it's power for the part of the cycle when the water is being heated. An EV is being charged for hours.
@@brendanpells912 I fear we are talking about different things. The ranty chap above was talking about using an electric car as a home battery, using the vehicle to grid capability some of them have. I argued this works less well than they seemed to think because the inverters are relatively small. Precisely because of what you describe, namely the relatively low average power rating of a domestic connection. A home battery takes in energy at a lowish power, so it can supply a higher power when needed. So, what makes a car less useful to serve as a home battery is precisely the fact that in vehicle to grid mode, they are high capacity low power
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We know the largest order thus far in the UK is for a 1 GWh battery storage site that will cost £270m. In contrast, the Staythorpe CCGT power plant was built for about £700m and can supply over 40 GWh of energy each day, day after day, week after week. The proposed extension to the Cruachan pumped hydro scheme will provide energy storage at about 20% of the cost of electrical batteries AND should last for at least 60 years.
Is it possible to obtain copies of the data? We provide commercial services to a BESS developer and the overall prices are substantially higher than this. May well be down to economies of scale, but it would be good to understand the sources
Hi David - yes, there's a full breakdown of cost components included in the report, which is available to Modo Energy's forecast subscribers, and can be found here: modoenergy.com/research/battery-energy-storage-capex-containerised-bess-development-costs-oem-balance-plant-bop-grid-connections-survey-2024
Customers v2g EVs are dirt cheap storage, a massive energy bank parked 23hrs every day and all night long.
Dirt cheap. There are 41.2 million vehicles in the UK.
Most parked 23hrs every day.
After you have replaced your ICE vehicle the storage is FREE.
You would have to be as dumb as dog dirt not to maximise the UTILIZATION of your parked vehicle.
UTILIZATION FACTOR goes from
1 in 24hrs to 24hrs in 24hrs.
From 4% to 100%.
Were you trying to trick me ???? 😮
😊😊😊😊😊😊
Kind of agree but with massive yea buts:
1: yes, cars are parked most of the time. Thing is though, they are used to go somewhere, and when they do, they are no longer at your home! usually for 9-10 hours a day
2:yes, car batteries are massive, but the inverters aren't. Usually, V2G is only rated at 3ish kW, sometimes a bit more if they can output 3phase, but I haven't seen any with more than 15kW.
3: Some gain could be had by tapping into the DC bus with an external inverter, but you'd be hard pressed to find an inverter that takes more than 100V, most are 48V. Most car nominal DC busses are 400-800V now.
4: relax your mammeries man, not everything is a conspiracy, and while mount Dunning-Kruger isn't real, you seem to be yelling of it
@@rasmAn2Chances are, the electrical supply cable into your home, and the transformer to which it connected is only rated for about 1.5kW average load, so it won't be a question of V2G, it will be V2 house, which relieves loading on the grid. It also means when everyone has an EV no-one will be drawing more than about 7.5kWh per day to charge their EV.
@@brendanpells912 key operant term there being average. 3kW max means no kettle while the washing machine is going.
@rasmAn2 The kettle is only consuming power for a couple of minutes at a time. The washing machine consumes most of it's power for the part of the cycle when the water is being heated. An EV is being charged for hours.
@@brendanpells912 I fear we are talking about different things. The ranty chap above was talking about using an electric car as a home battery, using the vehicle to grid capability some of them have. I argued this works less well than they seemed to think because the inverters are relatively small. Precisely because of what you describe, namely the relatively low average power rating of a domestic connection. A home battery takes in energy at a lowish power, so it can supply a higher power when needed. So, what makes a car less useful to serve as a home battery is precisely the fact that in vehicle to grid mode, they are high capacity low power