How Do You Light from Above? | 3 Ways to Rig Overhead
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In this episode of 4MFS, we’re lighting a women’s poker night scene with a little bit of intrigue. Seems simple? Not when you have a 360 degree Steadicam move and you have to light without any stands on the ground. For this setup, Valentina explores all the different ways you can rig overhead.
For our setting, we chose a soundstage to have the most lighting opportunities. Valentina knew that she needed a location with a grid and wooden beams overhead, which is why we didn’t choose to shoot on-location. It’s good to location scout and be prepared with the right grip essentials. We made sure to rent multiple c-clamps and cardellinis along with the cribbing to safely rig overhead as a result.
Because the scene has a underground mafia den look, Valentina thought that warm tungsten lighting would be the way to go. Along with warm lightbulbs in the lamps, we decided to use LS 60ds gelled with amber to create cones of light on the wall. Then, we rigged LS 300xs and LS 300dIIs above the set walls to give each of the characters their own backlight. But what about the main light? That would be accomplished by the Nova P300c, which would be hoisted up by a menace arm on a hi-roller combo stand. Make sure that you have plenty of sandbags and ratchet straps when you’re rigging menace arms. The Nova was accompanied by a Honeycrates Space Boxx to transform it into a soft lantern that provided a pleasant light for all the characters. And of course, what’s an underground mafia den without some smoke in the air? For that, we used a Master FX Mystic Hazer to give us some diffused atmosphere.
We shot with the ARRI Alexa with vintage Nikon lenses. Valentina wanted to use 1/2 Glimmer Glass to soften the image even more, and give the highlights just a bit more bloom. The Steadicam movement was a big factor in the overall mood of the scene. Steadicam operator Zachary Stanke taught us all the key terminology when it comes to communicating with other operators.
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0:00 - Intro
0:34 - Story/Concept
1:14 - Camera/Steadicam
3:23 - Production Design
4:05 - Lighting
6:04 - Menace Arm Rig
7:35 - Overhead Rigging
10:22 - Sidus Link Breakdown
12:34 - Final Result
13:10 - Outro
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That rug, it really ties the room together...
Were you listening to the dude’s story, Gordie? We’re talking about unchecked aggression here
I understood that reference
Shut Up Neil, You're out of your element.
yeah, well that's just like, your opinion, man.
These are ALWAYS soooo good. Thank you!
The timing for this video is perfect. Literally have a scene that calls for a similar setup.
Loved that the hair lights assisted the story!
14 minute film school. I love these videos so much 🔥🔥🔥
That rug really ties the room together 😎
Agreed!
Every road takes me back to a cinematic video
Just loving and learning a lot! Thanks Aputure!
This lady knows her stuff, I'm literally just nodding the entire time 🤣
I like the steadycam operator work explanation, and also tutorial.
Thank you. Your video tutorials are always so helpful.
That light #1 looked amazing!
Grand video. Thank you miss 💖 I am from Nepal 🇳🇵
Valentina Vee u ROCK!!
The "one more for safety" hat is amazing.
So true!
love ur works
Thank you 🙂
11:00 ,the actor to the left trying not to yawn and failing 😂
Love your work! Gained a new sub. 👍
I've learned a ton from you guys over the pandemic. Thank you! But i swear, y'all use Haze the way that Joanna Gaines uses Shiplap. It's everywhere , all the time. It makes everything look like a Music Video or an old soap opera trying to establish a dock. I keep waiting for Old Greg to boat into frame on his canoe-dolly.
I am learning lot from you related to light setup in film 🎬 Thank you for such informative video's
Glad you found it valuable!
Awesome 😎👍👍👍👍👍
Hello there
Your doing a great work ✌️✌️
Nice job 👍❤️
WOW! Nicely done but, all of these solutions and gear are extremely expensive.
If I don’t get to be a part of something like this by the time I’m 28 I’m going to be disappointed in myself. Time to keep working as hard as I can!
damn I love these videos
For anyone that can chime in, I'd like some opinions. So the camera, lenses and crew are all top notch and professional, but I would never think this is from a film. The end result looks great but completely video-ish. I have seen stuff that looks like its from a film shot on much cheaper gear. I am trying to learn myself what the difference is so any insight would be great.
To me it looks like they overdid the lighting and made it look waaayy too harsh. I’m sure this didn’t help in the coloring process either. Now I could be completely wrong since you know, I’m just a dude on the internet but that’s my 2 cents
Oh a lot of reasons I'd say. First of all, it's not shot on film, and they didn't try to make it look like film (grainy, flatter, tinted). It looks like a digital high quality image as most videos do. But that's not enough to make it video-ish.
Second, maybe the acting was a bit too much? I don't know much about that, so I can't say.
Maybe they overdid the light, but when I think back to a scene like Ocean's Eleven in the casino it looks very similar to this.
Now that I think of it, the lights don't seem match the context she gave us for the scene. It looks fun and colorful and enjoyable, but its supposed to be suspenseful as a traitor is revealed.
I didn't get that vibe from it.
But the technique is still valid, I needed to light a 360 much like this one once and was fucking lost. Seeing this would've helped back then.
I don't think the result is the biggest take away you should get from this video. For me atleast, I realize this is a teaching channel so things are gonna be a bit over the top for teaching purposes. It's the principles and techniques that they lay out for you to practice yourself and see what works best for you.
For me;
The key light is way too hard and the haze is overdone. The lack of eye lights is a quick has to make a scene like this look cheap. Overall, the lighting isn’t very refined, but finesse isn’t the point of these videos, it isn’t 4 day film school after all.
Lighting these sorts of scenes is a pain in the ass and the more you move the camera the more your lighting suffers. This is because every time you show more of the set you’re eliminating places to put lights/grip gear. In this example the lighting suffers when it should be it’s best, a close up.
I did a workshop with a senior DP where we did a similar scene, it became choreography, heaps of electrics moving around the space adding bounce cards and pulling them away just before they came into shot. As well as dimming different lights up and down depending on where the camera was facing.
Also as far as colour palettes go, the whole scene is so warm, which is a little cheap looking for me.
To me it’s the sharpness being high, harsh key, and it’s not graded like a film.
The techniques are all valid though.
Amazing lighting breakdown as always! Just got disappointed because I got spoilered at the beginning who the villain is gonna be😂
Thank you!
Valentina Vee, you are very talented, have a great personality, and quite frankly, are extremely gorgeous. Working with you must be the best day ever.
That steadicam rig looks heavy as hell!! I can barely hold up my Ronin S for more than 2 minutes at a time.
Well yeah that’s why it’s rigged up to his up waist/upper body and balanced properly
Same!
Which Focal Length you were using for this shot?
Valentina you are changing.
Do you have to empty the lighting truck in every scene?
What are those little mirrors called? Where can I get some?
Just curious... What was the whole shoot time for this video?
Sweet vid! Where’s my boy Kevin tho?
why you used specific diffusion box( the crunchy grid) here, Can we use an Aputure Lantern Light Modifier (Bowens Mount) for 360 degree lighting instead of the hanging box ? If no kindly specify the reason.
Yes you can! That would be a great way to light a scene like this.
@@valentinavee Thanks
Where can I find that spaceboxx ??
Those CRLS reflectors are awesome! Never heard of them, where can we buy?
It’s now distributed by Matthews, so most places that carry them I imagine. crls.msegrip.com
For example, www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Crls%20&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma
@@rockazar5436 These are bags only and a cleaning kit not the actual reflectors but by the looks of it these aren't cheap!
@@marcdevinci893 whoops! Sorry about that. I just searched and didn’t look carefully. Film tools carries them. www.filmtools.com/instantsearchplus/result/?q=crls
The big kits can be spendy, for sure. Especially spendy if you are looking to experiment first. I have considered renting a big kit to play with when I have the time, assuming I can find a house that carries them. Check out the price for an old-school Matthews mirror and you will have similar sticker shock. Lenses aren’t the only place for expensive cinema glass.
But maybe one of the smaller kits? All of our budgets are different. We should probably start a campaign with Matthews for a student/content producer kit. Or maybe it’s yet another bit of kit for the someday/rental list.
These have been around for several years with different manufacturers and distributors but I’ve only recently seen the smaller mirrors available. Here is a nice tutorial Dedolight made with them last year. th-cam.com/video/W87UzK0P3zI/w-d-xo.html
@@marcdevinci893 search TH-cam under CRLS for more ideas. It is really amazing stuff and expands the lighting palette.
Dedo makes a similar product with a similar name. Sorry for the confusion, but their video is still good.
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What color gel were they using on this set? Could somebody tell me which color gel pack is good enough for 300d mkii? My color gel melted when I used it with 300d mkii with 2x fresnel. If theres any recommendation please let me know.....!
If you want to use gels with your 300d II, we recommend getting a heat shield gel to go along with it.
"Stay tuned to the end for a chance to win a prize!" Was the prize a free ticket to the Bob Honeycrates Puppet Show? Worth it.
There should be a pdf out option for drawings in sidus link...
Good idea!
i will use lantern on middle top
Veeeeeeeee....!!!!
I think the edit in the final result would've looked nice if the cut was as the green was being thrown...I'm assuming the intention was to reveal both players, but I think hiding the villian would've added suspense. Thanks for the lighting tips as always
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I wonder why not just use an aperture lantern over head in that case then?
We wanted to use a stronger RGB light and had the lighting accessories available for it
@@aputurelighting ahhh gotcha gotcha! I'm still learning so I question as much as possible when it comes down to lighting. So I can be among the greats so thanks for the response
I love the fact people believed that once you were being filmed masks could be removed and the virus would courteously not infect the actors. What fools we were 😂😂
I liked the light rigs but damn I've never seen an Alexa Mini's footage looking like a Canon 60D. Please grade your footage properly!
B7c need to get rid of the battery and make the light wrap around it and not just on the top... It just doesn't sell it for me.
Battery is still welcome in certain scenarios when using older practicals that look beautiful but can function no more. Also cabling is not always optional and could create additional hassle of trying to hide outlets and cords and whatnot. Probably best to have both options available!
@@DastanZhumagulov I agree, but I prefer better light dispersion than having a battery. It like the lightning effect with the Aputure stuff.... it HORRIBLE ! You can recognize it when you see it, and that not how lightning look like !
3:00 "spice levels?" what a fool...
Tapatio is considered spicy ??? 🤔🤔🤔
¡no pica nada! jaja.
Isn't a menace just a C stand????
It's much stronger and steadier, but needs to be built carefully. When rigging overhead light, we strongly advise using a menace arm (with proper training and/or supervision)!
@@aputurelighting I see. Good to know, thank you for the response.
04:54 spoiler alert!
First
Stop using haze, for real. Haze screwed up the shot for sure; now it's muddy, flat, and all the work done with the lights seems to be a lot less worth
We haven’t used haze in the last 8 episodes and no haze in the next 4 after this. Also - I wanted the haze to make the lights look diffused and for the den to look musty/dusty. It’s supposed to be a dingy basement.
@@valentinavee omg the class that this response has is sending me. a true diplomatic kween. Love the videos Valentina!!
I'll be the Debbie Downer and say this looks way too artificial... it's a cartoon-like version of what you think a "man cave" or "woman cave" might look like. I would tone down the overhead, lose the harsh red cast and generally ease off the overproduced looking elements. Just because you have all of these expensive tools and toys doesn't mean you have to use all of them.