Hi Stu & Crew. Wow. A visible and palpable step-up in the editing department - sound effects, animations - a real roller-coaster. Reading a well-prepared script makes it snappy and helps with „over blinking”. Sturdy eye contact creates a „fortissimo transmission” - it is more powerful :-) Spicy recipe - me like it a lot. Wonder how it gonna affect the numbers. --- Stu, your renditions of classic pieces are as engaging, as your arrangements of modern ones are intricate. I could only wish for more...
Thanks for the kind words! We're glad you enjoyed the video. We have an excellent videographer, editor, and production team. We're glad their hard work and talents are being noticed. Thanks again and all the best!
The video and audio production of the Merriam Music Chanel has always been top notch, and it goes without saying that Stu's piano skills are mind blowing. Everyone enjoys his playing. He makes every piano sound the best that it could sound.
Today, after retiring in 2021 and moving to Portugal in March of 2022, am now settled in Vila Nova de Gaia, and today I purchased the Yamaha YDP-145B. I very much look foward to taking delivery of it tomorrow, or the following day!!! Thanks, to Mirriam to being part of my process of coming to this decision. I had a 5'9" Young Chang (1988) from 1999 to 2021 and loved it, but I think I'll love this digital just as much, and PROBABLY more!!!
Congrats on your new YDP145! The day you receive a new piano is like Christmas morning. I know you'll probably spend many hours playing away on your new piano once it arrives. We're glad to hear that our videos and channel helped you through your selection process. Thanks for tuning in and happy playing! :)
Hi! Brent here! Thank you for tuning in! We appreciate it. We will do our best to cover a comparison between these two lines/models. It will likely be a comparison between the KDP120 and RP107 given their respective price points. :)
What I hear is the usual Stu's preference for other tones and palettes of Casio, Roland or Kawai vs. Yamaha. This isn't a criticism, maybe they fit Stu's playing best. But for me, the Yamaha just sounds really great playing jazz (but not only jazz) because it doesn't rely on a boomy bass and uses more clarity and articulation in the upper end (especially if you do a Bill Evans style, you'll hear those inner voices better IMO). Yamaha's characteristic is that there is some tonal variety, it's more the articulation that makes for variety than the timbre changes. It's not that they aren't there, but Yamaha wants a certain "speaking quality" to their sound. The Roland has almost an unnatural amount of dynamic variation to my ears but that's not to say I don't like Roland. The sound of Rolands are great, the action is agreeable and they are well built so quality is quite good. I'd recommend Roland to some players and people and Yamaha to others. It depends on your playing style and preferences. Yamaha YDP145 offers a pretty compelling Yamaha (digital) CFX sound for the money but I'd go and get the portable (aging and will be updated soon) P515 for a few hundred dollars more and get the Bosendorfer sound and so many others. And better action and nicer keys. But if you want a cabinet piano, this Roland RP107, the Yamaha YDP145 and the Kawai KDP120 are all excellent choices if not the best bang for buck. There may be a Casio in there too that is a nice digital piano.
When the 515's replacement comes out, I think it could be a killer. Based on my DGX Yamaha needs to concentrate on a more friendly user interface. Something like the "Piano Room", but for all aspects of the settings. I think it would be interesting to have an oscilloscope mode that gives a picture of the tone. Right now the user interface on the DGX is very clumsy and difficult to understand. Moving through all the pages is convoluted. There's no commonality. My Roland MC-500 from years ago had a two line by 20 (possibly 40) character screen that was much easier to understand. It was addressed though a spinning wheel, so all functions had commonality. The DGX has way too many buttons and ways to navigate through the settings. It's not good.
@@JoeLinux2000 The interface of P-515 is very simple. I do not like gimmicks (give me two good piano sounds and I will be very happy) so I still consider P-515 the best digital piano for me.
Hi Benjamin! Brent here! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughtful insights! We appreciate it. :) As you pointed out, tone and touch preferences are highly subjective and are a very personal decision that every player must make for themselves. The style of playing will definitely have an impact on the decision making process too. Thankfully, there are a number of great manufacturers and models out there to choose from, which gives players will all types of tonal preferences an excellent option to inspire their playing. Thanks again and all the best!
@@MerriamPianos I'm very excited about your opinion on GH3 vs GHS action (or another ones). When I bought mine it was one of the two main reasons to choose it (the other was the speakers output).
Thanks for another well presented comparative piano review Stu. That's interesting about the lack of tonal changes on the YDP-145. I think that would drive me mad. Does that happen on the YDP-165 too? I would also find the weak mids and boomy bass I hear on the RP-107 rather irritating. The FP30X seems better in this respect. Well, these are for beginners, and we have to acknowledge that they are well up to the task, but at the entry level I would cut away all the frills and get the best action for the lowest price. If it has to be GHS, then it has to be the P-121 in my book. (The P-45 is another story.) I'd save the difference towards an upgrade with a better action when it's required. But I understand that the furniture aspect can matter a lot. I'm sad that the YDP-145 costs as much as the YDP-164 did. The 164 had a notably superior action. Now you have to pay extra for the 165 to get that same great GH3 action, and with little useful gain IMO. Effectively, the minimum Yamaha price for a piano with any action better than GHS goes up and up.
@@JoeLinux2000 it might be a bit esoteric for Merriam, but I would enjoy seeing such reviews too. Manufacturers are letting the public down by stopping short of offering complete solutions. It's too bad if you buy a great DP but never find the right auxiliary speakers for it. I struggled a lot with my P80, which had no speakers at all. All the gigging gear seemed too weak in the mids, and the signal from the P80 hit the gear like a hammer. So, at gigs I ended up using a specially mounted 5" studio monitor behind my right shoulder, plus a floor monitor nearer my left. It took so long to find a workable, but still imperfect solution! And I think the monitor got damaged by the powerful signal. Now I use a mixer or an audio interface with pad on it to protect speakers from any DP, particularly in my studio.
Brent here! Thanks so much for tuning in! While I have played the YDP145, I have yet to play the YDP165 myself yet, so I can't comment as to whether it is the same situation as the YDP145 that you mentioned. I definitely agree with your sentiment about prioritizing the action at the entry level price point. It is the most invariable aspect of a digital piano and, for most players, the most critical detail. Thanks again and happy playing!
That's awesome! Congrats on your new Roland RP107! It is a wonderful digital piano and I know you will be thrilled with the playing experience it provides once it arrives. :)
Thanks for a good review. What makes the Roland especially interesting, apart from its benefits mentioned in the video, is the existence of Roland F107 :D It seems to me it's the same thing as RP107 (am I right?), just in a little more space efficient package, which is also important to me. Pity I didn't get to hear also the "ballad" or "mellow" pianos, it sounds like something I'd actually also use :) YDP - Yamaha Digital Piano, RP - Roland Piano, F - ? :D I wonder if I'd like the keybed in the long run. And especially, if it would be the correct substitute for an acoustic for learning. Tried PHA-50, definitely felt a little too heavy, GHS if I remember it correctly a little light (but maybe a bit more pleasant for a complete beginner like me) and quite noisy, maybe the PH4 would be the right one.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! The Roland F701 certainly has a lot of similarities to the RP107 (SuperNATURAL tone engine, PHA4 action, etc.) in a more streamlined, space-saving cabinet. By the sounds of it, the PHA4 might be the perfect middle ground action for you in terms of its weighting and feel. Thanks for tuning in and all the best! :)
@@matiaserp Thanks for the confirmation. Could someone elaborate then on F-107 vs FP-E50? That's a different thing, but still has SuperNATURAL piano, PHA4, similar speakers, is slim, can have matching stand and pedals, very small price difference... but also seems also to offer quite more than that? Are there any cons to FP-E50 worth considering in comparison to F107?
I tried the predecessor to the F-107 and liked it well enough. It looks really cool in the LA (?) finish. Some people slate the design, but I like it, and the RPs don't sound better to me, while the F models are a fraction cheaper. Every penny counts at entry level.
Hi! Brent here! It is true that Stu does a lot of improvising in the demo section of these video reviews/comparisons. He is a master improviser, which makes his improvisations sound as seamless as a meticulously composed piece that has been well-rehearsed. :)
Difficult decision, as I’m torn between RP107, YDP-145, and KDP120. I’ve played both the PHA-4 and GHS and I honestly like both. Just the GHS is a tad lighter, and will tire my fingers less compared to the PHA-4. Now is the RHCII of the Kawai similar in weight/feel of the GHS? Lastly, overall piano tone and projection from onboard speakers which is better, the RP107 or YDP145? Thanks for the input!
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Naturally, everything comes down to subjectivity in this domain, but I'm happy to share my thoughts on the matter. The RHCII action is a lot more comparable to the GHS action than the PHA4 action in my opinion. While those lighter actions may be less fatiguing, the counter argument for the PHA4 action is that it will help build strength and prepare you for acoustic piano playing more. In terms of speaker fidelity between the RP107 and YDP145, I would say that RP107 has a bit of a sweeter, more refined speaker sound. However, the YDP145 has a more powerful and robust speaker system.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! It ultimately depends on your preference regarding the form factor. If you prefer the look of a console digital piano or require portability, the decision should be pretty straight forward. With that said, for me, the FP30X presents the best cost-to-value ratio of all of the models you've mentioned. :)
Hi Brent, appreciate the quick reply! I was thinking about the FP30x indeed, i’m looking for something to play that is similar to the upright acoustic one i play at work, and that checks most of the boxes in regards to sound quality, polyphony, how the keys feel, etc.
Hi! Thanks for the video:) I am not an experienced player. It seems like everyone loves Roland's PHA4 action, but for me it feels like I'm pushing some springs with my fingers and playing Yamaha feels better. Maybe there's something wrong with me:) Gonna try both in shop again tomorrow
You're very welcome! Thanks for tuning in! It comes down to a matter of personal preference of course. Every player will gravitate towards a different feel and action. With that said, sometimes it takes a little while to get used to a specific action before really falling in love with it and appreciating it. The PHA4 action definitely has its fanbase and, in my opinion, there is a good reason for that. :)
I really gotta share this. I've had the Roland F107 for a few months now, and remarked (here and elsewhere) how brassy and harsh the sound was. I also found the keyboard rather hard. Stu's suggestion of increasing 1 or 2 point brightness and setting touch to 60% didn't resonate with me at all. Why increase brillance in a piano that was already too bright and reduce touch of an action that was too hard? What do you know, Stu was right. Today I re-watched this video and though, well why not trying it? This setting makes a WORLD of difference. Now I can control the sound so much better and the tone is a lot more natural and realistic.
Thanks so much for sharing! That is great to hear! Depending on one's musical preferences, some little tweaks and alterations are needed to extract the most out of your piano. We're happy to hear that the settings changes have led to a more rewarding musical experience for you. Thanks again and happy playing! :)
I believe the new YDP models were formally released in the summer of 2022, but different markets physically receive models at different times. Canada can sometimes be a few months behind the American market in this regard. I believe that's what Stu was referring to. :)
What about latency and connection to a virtual piano like Pianoteq? I definitely can hear the improvement in the Yamaha's tone. To me it sounds better than th DGX. I wonder if the lack of dynamics is in the tone engine or the MIDI signal output. I guess I'm a complete amateur, because I like the Yamaha action other than the short pivot point. The DGX has Bluetooth and that's something I find very useful. The treble sounds terrible on both pianos to me. After it's all said and done, it's hard to beat the value of a DGX combined with Pianoteq. But maybe the Roland with the app is the way to go. You need to test latency.
Hi there! Brent from Merriam Music here! Latency is a difficult thing to demonstrate and troubleshoot because it really does depend on one's specific rig and hardware/software setup. With that said, I think an overview video of latency and other common issues with VST piano plugins would be very helpful. I will pass the suggestion onto our production team. Thanks again and all the best! :)
One of the reasons why I often prefer CF samples is that the treble never hurts your ears. It's the best treble sampled from any Japanese piano IMO. I presume it's because of the CFiii grand piano itself, or maybe it's dumb luck in sampling. If CFX sounds harsh to you, do a comparison.
@@Zoco101 I don't know. When I tried the CFX several years ago it was in a small space so I was just blasted with sound LOL! The lid wasn't even fully opened because it was so loud🎹🎶
@@MerriamPianos Just plug in Stu's Apple computer with his Intermediate Version of Pianoteq, and see if you hear a double strike on simply a single combined tone. Also check all these instruments to see if Strings sustain with a sustain pedal, because they don't on the Yamaha-DGX-670 and it's very disappointing. Some of these lower end pianos may not even have a MIDI out. The reason for doing this is that Pianoteq or some other virtual piano added to the voice of these low end pianos can greatly improve the tone.
@@MerriamPianos Here's another thing end users should know. Can the firmware be upgraded? As far as I know the DGX cannot and therefore any shortcomings cannot be addressed, and believe me it has some very serious issues even though it does represent one of the best values for a lower priced instrument.
For action - how does the PHA4 on Roland compare to the RH3 of Kawai? Is one closer in feel to an acoustic? Debating on this Roland RP107 and CN29 on Kawai....
They are both exceptional actions in my opinion and amongst the best all plastic key actions available. The PHA4 action plays a little heavier and has a more pronounced escapement sensation. I would say they both have an authentic feel, but it is a matter of preference in regard to the weighting. I would recommend trying both models to see which feel you connect with more. :)
Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to tackle that. With that said, we do have a comparison between the KDP120 and the predecessor to the YDP145, the YDP144. You can check that comparison out here: th-cam.com/video/IB0EWvRHuNU/w-d-xo.html
I really enjoyed this video and your excellent piano skills. You make it look so easy and effortless (judging by the look on your face 5:28 🤣) Thank you for this comparison. I still haven't decided on which brand to choose, but this definitely helps!
We will do our best to tackle that review for you. With that said, the F701 is a higher end model technically. They both feature the PHA4 action and SuperNATURAL tone engine, but the F701 has more built-in sounds and a higher powered speaker system. The F701 also has a more streamlined cabinet as well. :)
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for the question! It all comes down to a matter of personal preference of course. Both pianos have a very different touch and tone. To me, the Kawai KDP120 is a superior instrument for a number of reasons. Firstly, I find the tone to be far warmer and authentic than the YDP145. I also think that sampling is more detailed/nuanced, which provides a more rewarding musical experience.
I understood Headphones and speakers working at the same time the sound on the headphones is to sharp? Am I correct? If that’s the case, can the speakers be turned off while using headphones? Guess that’s the purpose of using headphones. Thanks!
The vast majority of headphone outputs automatically bypass the speaker system. With that said, I don't know exactly what you mean by "too sharp". There are several factors that can lead to slight tonal differences between the sonic experience of the speaker system and headphones. For example, every set of headphones will be voiced differently, which will augment or diminish certain frequency bands potentially.
Hi. I have another comparation for you. We've heard many times this or that digital piano is based in a acoustic piano (high level yamaha with Bösendorfer imperial por kawai with its own concert grand piano ). I would like a comparative review beetwen those elements: a good digital piano (not an entry level like my Thomann dp-26/medeli sp4000) and its acoustic counterpart. Could you do that, please?
Hi Eduardo! Thanks so much for tuning in! That is a very cool idea! Thank you for the awesome suggestion! Given that most of these digital pianos' core sounds are built off of 9'+ concert grands, it might be tricky to accommodate all of the key models, but we will certainly do our best. :)
Beside my kawai mp11se, I have an old yamaha clp 120.... I am thinking about selling this and buy the yamaha ydp 45(or another one).... what is your opinion about that.... if you have the time , would appreciate an answer. Thanks upfront.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! My suggestion would be to get to a showroom to test out the YDP145 to see if you feel that the musical experience is more inspiring than your current CLP120. Tone and touch preferences are very personal and subjective. Thanks so much for tuning in and all the best! :)
It comes down to a matter of preference of course. They are both excellent pianos for the price, but they do offer a different flavour musically. Thanks for tuning in! :)
It really comes down to a matter of personal preference. For me, the Kawai sounds more authentic. I really love its warm, immersive tone. With that said, it is a very subjective thing of course. :)
@@MerriamPianos thank you for the response! I am just starting my piano journey, so I want to make sure I invest on something that will last me for many years and also looks good as a piece of furniture :) At the end of the day I know both will accomplish that.
Hi Stu, I have been watching your videos as I am hoping to buy a digital piano for myself soon. I have checked out YDP165 this afternoon and I really liked it, considering to purchase one. According to Yamaha's website, YDP165 has the GH3 keyboard while 145 does GHS keyboard. I wonder if there would be any noticeable difference in touch and feel of keys.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for reaching out with your question. Both the GHS and GH3 keyboards are grade-weighted and have a heavy enough touch that does a very good job of simulating the feel of a real piano. The GH3 however is a more refined and sophisticated action. The keys are more responsive and swing back faster, which allows for a faster repetition (more comparable to a grand piano touch). I would also recommend checking out the pertinent Roland models (RP107, HP702, DP603, etc.). They have wonderful weighted touches that provide a high degree of authenticity when it comes to touch. :)
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! I am not particularly familiar with piano dealers in markets outside of North America. With that said, you can search for local dealers on manufacturers' website. Hopefully, you will be able to find one that can ship the piano model of your choice to you. :)
Hey Stu, I'm not a fan of the new editing style btw.. the headings are too big and the ticking sounds and special effects are a bit distracting! (Just my opinion..) Also, it feel like you're rushing the videos now - are you trying to make them as short as possible? Sorry to be a bummer - I do like the playing samples at the end of the video though! And I understand why short & snappy vids are popular X
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thank you for your feedback. We're sorry to hear that you don't enjoy the new format. We are always trying to keep things fresh and experiment with ways to improve our video reviews/comparisons. Thanks again and happy playing! :)
Contrary to what Stu is saying, I am choosing GHS action because I practice 2-3 times/week on Yamaha C7 grand piano. Both C7 and Yamaha GHS action have THE SAME static down-weight of 50g for C4 and 53-54g for C2. It is not true that PHA-4 resembles acoustic piano action more. PHA-4 is a relatively heavy and springy action (64g on C4 and 72g on C2). I need light action and anything above 55g is out of my consideration. By the way, some well known pianists adjust their Steinway grand piano action to 45g. Michael Ps. I considered Yamaha CLP745 digital piano but its action was heavier than expected - 70g on C2. I returned my Yamaha P-515 (after almost a year of playing because its heavy action affected very negatively my fingers, especially right hand fifth digit.
Touch preferences are a highly subjective matter of course. Even the suggestion of one piano action being more authentic than the other will come down to the opinions and preferences of the player. At the end of the day, the most important thing is to find an action that connects with you and your player. Also, whether discussing acoustic or digital pianos, there is a wide array of different feels/touches out there.
I tried the Yamaha YDP145 before and loved it. The GHS action though not Yamaha's best action is still prity responsive. The sound is prity good 2 almost made me want to take it home with me. I did think about it for a wile before I got over it haha🎹🎶
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your experiences with the YDP145! These are both solid home digital pianos that pack a lot of value to say the least. :)
What is your opinion of this piano in the link? th-cam.com/video/4MMkTThxA-g/w-d-xo.html It seems to have a very responsive action, and it sounds great too. Probably cheaper than the Yamaha YDP145, I am buying one. Notice the pedal is wireless🎵🎵
Always appreciate your candid and professional product reviews and comparisons including both pros and cons.
Thanks David! We appreciate you tuning in. :)
I don't even play piano, but dang it, these review are just so well thought out, and explained so well. He makes it look easy
That is quite the compliment! I will be sure to pass it along to Stu for you. :)
Your videos on electronic drums are awesome too!
Hi Stu & Crew.
Wow. A visible and palpable step-up in the editing department - sound effects, animations - a real roller-coaster.
Reading a well-prepared script makes it snappy and helps with „over blinking”.
Sturdy eye contact creates a „fortissimo transmission” - it is more powerful :-)
Spicy recipe - me like it a lot.
Wonder how it gonna affect the numbers.
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Stu, your renditions of classic pieces are as engaging, as your arrangements of modern ones are intricate. I could only wish for more...
Thanks for the kind words! We're glad you enjoyed the video. We have an excellent videographer, editor, and production team. We're glad their hard work and talents are being noticed. Thanks again and all the best!
The video and audio production of the Merriam Music Chanel has always been top notch, and it goes without saying that Stu's piano skills are mind blowing. Everyone enjoys his playing. He makes every piano sound the best that it could sound.
@@MerriamPianos And your hair appears to be more well managed as well. Ha
I love this new format and editing for these videos.
Thanks so much! We're really glad you're enjoying them! :)
Stu's piano skills are 💯
Also love the new editing style
Thanks a million! We really appreciate that feedback. :)
Today, after retiring in 2021 and moving to Portugal in March of 2022, am now settled in Vila Nova de Gaia, and today I purchased the Yamaha YDP-145B. I very much look foward to taking delivery of it tomorrow, or the following day!!! Thanks, to Mirriam to being part of my process of coming to this decision. I had a 5'9" Young Chang (1988) from 1999 to 2021 and loved it, but I think I'll love this digital just as much, and PROBABLY more!!!
Congrats on your new YDP145! The day you receive a new piano is like Christmas morning. I know you'll probably spend many hours playing away on your new piano once it arrives. We're glad to hear that our videos and channel helped you through your selection process. Thanks for tuning in and happy playing! :)
What's the verdict
@@ludwigwittgenstein2422 I love my new piano.
Excellent review as always! Looking forward to seeing a comparison between Roland RP107 and Kawai KDP75! Thank you, Stu.
Hi! Brent here! Thank you for tuning in! We appreciate it. We will do our best to cover a comparison between these two lines/models. It will likely be a comparison between the KDP120 and RP107 given their respective price points. :)
What I hear is the usual Stu's preference for other tones and palettes of Casio, Roland or Kawai vs. Yamaha. This isn't a criticism, maybe they fit Stu's playing best. But for me, the Yamaha just sounds really great playing jazz (but not only jazz) because it doesn't rely on a boomy bass and uses more clarity and articulation in the upper end (especially if you do a Bill Evans style, you'll hear those inner voices better IMO). Yamaha's characteristic is that there is some tonal variety, it's more the articulation that makes for variety than the timbre changes. It's not that they aren't there, but Yamaha wants a certain "speaking quality" to their sound. The Roland has almost an unnatural amount of dynamic variation to my ears but that's not to say I don't like Roland. The sound of Rolands are great, the action is agreeable and they are well built so quality is quite good. I'd recommend Roland to some players and people and Yamaha to others. It depends on your playing style and preferences. Yamaha YDP145 offers a pretty compelling Yamaha (digital) CFX sound for the money but I'd go and get the portable (aging and will be updated soon) P515 for a few hundred dollars more and get the Bosendorfer sound and so many others. And better action and nicer keys. But if you want a cabinet piano, this Roland RP107, the Yamaha YDP145 and the Kawai KDP120 are all excellent choices if not the best bang for buck. There may be a Casio in there too that is a nice digital piano.
When the 515's replacement comes out, I think it could be a killer. Based on my DGX Yamaha needs to concentrate on a more friendly user interface. Something like the "Piano Room", but for all aspects of the settings. I think it would be interesting to have an oscilloscope mode that gives a picture of the tone. Right now the user interface on the DGX is very clumsy and difficult to understand. Moving through all the pages is convoluted. There's no commonality. My Roland MC-500 from years ago had a two line by 20 (possibly 40) character screen that was much easier to understand. It was addressed though a spinning wheel, so all functions had commonality. The DGX has way too many buttons and ways to navigate through the settings. It's not good.
@@JoeLinux2000 The interface of P-515 is very simple. I do not like gimmicks (give me two good piano sounds and I will be very happy) so I still consider P-515 the best digital piano for me.
Hi Benjamin! Brent here! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughtful insights! We appreciate it. :)
As you pointed out, tone and touch preferences are highly subjective and are a very personal decision that every player must make for themselves. The style of playing will definitely have an impact on the decision making process too. Thankfully, there are a number of great manufacturers and models out there to choose from, which gives players will all types of tonal preferences an excellent option to inspire their playing. Thanks again and all the best!
Roland RP107 , I love it and I will buy it after seeing such good reviews. Thank you very much.
You're very welcome! The RP107 is an excellent choice with a fantastic action. You will be very pleased! :)
Thanks. I'd love any comparison with YDP-165 involved. About the video, I own the YDP-164 but I think the Roland wins.
You're very welcome! Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to tackle the YDP165 in upcoming comparison videos. :)
@@MerriamPianos I'm very excited about your opinion on GH3 vs GHS action (or another ones). When I bought mine it was one of the two main reasons to choose it (the other was the speakers output).
Another great review, loved hearing you play Who Can I Turn To!
Thanks a million for tuning in! We're glad you enjoyed it! :)
Thanks for another well presented comparative piano review Stu. That's interesting about the lack of tonal changes on the YDP-145. I think that would drive me mad. Does that happen on the YDP-165 too? I would also find the weak mids and boomy bass I hear on the RP-107 rather irritating. The FP30X seems better in this respect.
Well, these are for beginners, and we have to acknowledge that they are well up to the task, but at the entry level I would cut away all the frills and get the best action for the lowest price. If it has to be GHS, then it has to be the P-121 in my book. (The P-45 is another story.) I'd save the difference towards an upgrade with a better action when it's required. But I understand that the furniture aspect can matter a lot.
I'm sad that the YDP-145 costs as much as the YDP-164 did. The 164 had a notably superior action. Now you have to pay extra for the 165 to get that same great GH3 action, and with little useful gain IMO. Effectively, the minimum Yamaha price for a piano with any action better than GHS goes up and up.
Perhaps Stu needs to do a series on MIDI controllers and external speakers.
@@JoeLinux2000 it might be a bit esoteric for Merriam, but I would enjoy seeing such reviews too.
Manufacturers are letting the public down by stopping short of offering complete solutions. It's too bad if you buy a great DP but never find the right auxiliary speakers for it. I struggled a lot with my P80, which had no speakers at all.
All the gigging gear seemed too weak in the mids, and the signal from the P80 hit the gear like a hammer. So, at gigs I ended up using a specially mounted 5" studio monitor behind my right shoulder, plus a floor monitor nearer my left. It took so long to find a workable, but still imperfect solution! And I think the monitor got damaged by the powerful signal.
Now I use a mixer or an audio interface with pad on it to protect speakers from any DP, particularly in my studio.
Brent here! Thanks so much for tuning in! While I have played the YDP145, I have yet to play the YDP165 myself yet, so I can't comment as to whether it is the same situation as the YDP145 that you mentioned. I definitely agree with your sentiment about prioritizing the action at the entry level price point. It is the most invariable aspect of a digital piano and, for most players, the most critical detail. Thanks again and happy playing!
Thanks for the review!!
You're very welcome! Thank you for tuning in! :)
That was my choice between these two models and I bought roland and now waiting to play on it after two days will receive it 😃🫣
That's awesome! Congrats on your new Roland RP107! It is a wonderful digital piano and I know you will be thrilled with the playing experience it provides once it arrives. :)
Thanks for a good review. What makes the Roland especially interesting, apart from its benefits mentioned in the video, is the existence of Roland F107 :D It seems to me it's the same thing as RP107 (am I right?), just in a little more space efficient package, which is also important to me. Pity I didn't get to hear also the "ballad" or "mellow" pianos, it sounds like something I'd actually also use :)
YDP - Yamaha Digital Piano, RP - Roland Piano, F - ? :D
I wonder if I'd like the keybed in the long run. And especially, if it would be the correct substitute for an acoustic for learning. Tried PHA-50, definitely felt a little too heavy, GHS if I remember it correctly a little light (but maybe a bit more pleasant for a complete beginner like me) and quite noisy, maybe the PH4 would be the right one.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! The Roland F701 certainly has a lot of similarities to the RP107 (SuperNATURAL tone engine, PHA4 action, etc.) in a more streamlined, space-saving cabinet. By the sounds of it, the PHA4 might be the perfect middle ground action for you in terms of its weighting and feel. Thanks for tuning in and all the best! :)
F107 is the same as RP107 in a slim cabinet. Love it.
@@matiaserp Thanks for the confirmation. Could someone elaborate then on F-107 vs FP-E50? That's a different thing, but still has SuperNATURAL piano, PHA4, similar speakers, is slim, can have matching stand and pedals, very small price difference... but also seems also to offer quite more than that? Are there any cons to FP-E50 worth considering in comparison to F107?
I tried the predecessor to the F-107 and liked it well enough. It looks really cool in the LA (?) finish. Some people slate the design, but I like it, and the RPs don't sound better to me, while the F models are a fraction cheaper. Every penny counts at entry level.
When I was a biginer years ago all actions felt heavy. Anyway I tried the PHA50 on the GP609, and to me it was actually quite light🎹🎶
Very helpful, thanks!
Not a problem at all! Thanks for taking the time to tune in! :)
Hi Stu, I really want to know are you always improvising in the demo? because it is so good to listen to
Hi! Brent here! It is true that Stu does a lot of improvising in the demo section of these video reviews/comparisons. He is a master improviser, which makes his improvisations sound as seamless as a meticulously composed piece that has been well-rehearsed. :)
@@MerriamPianos He's obviously very talented and experienced.
Thank you for this review
You're very welcome! :)
Difficult decision, as I’m torn between RP107, YDP-145, and KDP120.
I’ve played both the PHA-4 and GHS and I honestly like both. Just the GHS is a tad lighter, and will tire my fingers less compared to the PHA-4. Now is the RHCII of the Kawai similar in weight/feel of the GHS?
Lastly, overall piano tone and projection from onboard speakers which is better, the RP107 or YDP145?
Thanks for the input!
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Naturally, everything comes down to subjectivity in this domain, but I'm happy to share my thoughts on the matter. The RHCII action is a lot more comparable to the GHS action than the PHA4 action in my opinion. While those lighter actions may be less fatiguing, the counter argument for the PHA4 action is that it will help build strength and prepare you for acoustic piano playing more. In terms of speaker fidelity between the RP107 and YDP145, I would say that RP107 has a bit of a sweeter, more refined speaker sound. However, the YDP145 has a more powerful and robust speaker system.
@@MerriamPianos thank you for your feedback! 🙏🏼✊
Thanks for this very informative comparison, it made my choice a bit easier 🙂
You're very welcome! We're really happy to hear that you found the video helpful in your decision making process. Thanks for tuning in! :)
I'm not sure whether to go with the YDP145 or the P-225, do you have any advice?
Or even between the roland RP107 or the fp30x?
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! It ultimately depends on your preference regarding the form factor. If you prefer the look of a console digital piano or require portability, the decision should be pretty straight forward. With that said, for me, the FP30X presents the best cost-to-value ratio of all of the models you've mentioned. :)
Hi Brent, appreciate the quick reply! I was thinking about the FP30x indeed, i’m looking for something to play that is similar to the upright acoustic one i play at work, and that checks most of the boxes in regards to sound quality, polyphony, how the keys feel, etc.
Hi! Thanks for the video:) I am not an experienced player. It seems like everyone loves Roland's PHA4 action, but for me it feels like I'm pushing some springs with my fingers and playing Yamaha feels better. Maybe there's something wrong with me:) Gonna try both in shop again tomorrow
You're very welcome! Thanks for tuning in! It comes down to a matter of personal preference of course. Every player will gravitate towards a different feel and action. With that said, sometimes it takes a little while to get used to a specific action before really falling in love with it and appreciating it. The PHA4 action definitely has its fanbase and, in my opinion, there is a good reason for that. :)
I agree with you completely- PHA-4 is like pressing heavy springs
I really gotta share this. I've had the Roland F107 for a few months now, and remarked (here and elsewhere) how brassy and harsh the sound was. I also found the keyboard rather hard. Stu's suggestion of increasing 1 or 2 point brightness and setting touch to 60% didn't resonate with me at all. Why increase brillance in a piano that was already too bright and reduce touch of an action that was too hard? What do you know, Stu was right. Today I re-watched this video and though, well why not trying it? This setting makes a WORLD of difference. Now I can control the sound so much better and the tone is a lot more natural and realistic.
Thanks so much for sharing! That is great to hear! Depending on one's musical preferences, some little tweaks and alterations are needed to extract the most out of your piano. We're happy to hear that the settings changes have led to a more rewarding musical experience for you. Thanks again and happy playing! :)
I can´t wait for Yamaha CLP review done like this
We will do our best to tackle that for you! :)
Hi, good evaluations. Please what you say about model plx 190 -bk?
Midex
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to tackle that model for you. :)
@@MerriamPianos thank you so much indeed...
1:31 the YDP145 is a 2023 releas? I tried a YDP145 in mid 2022🎹🎶
I believe the new YDP models were formally released in the summer of 2022, but different markets physically receive models at different times. Canada can sometimes be a few months behind the American market in this regard. I believe that's what Stu was referring to. :)
What about latency and connection to a virtual piano like Pianoteq? I definitely can hear the improvement in the Yamaha's tone. To me it sounds better than th DGX. I wonder if the lack of dynamics is in the tone engine or the MIDI signal output. I guess I'm a complete amateur, because I like the Yamaha action other than the short pivot point. The DGX has Bluetooth and that's something I find very useful. The treble sounds terrible on both pianos to me. After it's all said and done, it's hard to beat the value of a DGX combined with Pianoteq. But maybe the Roland with the app is the way to go. You need to test latency.
Hi there! Brent from Merriam Music here! Latency is a difficult thing to demonstrate and troubleshoot because it really does depend on one's specific rig and hardware/software setup. With that said, I think an overview video of latency and other common issues with VST piano plugins would be very helpful. I will pass the suggestion onto our production team. Thanks again and all the best! :)
One of the reasons why I often prefer CF samples is that the treble never hurts your ears. It's the best treble sampled from any Japanese piano IMO. I presume it's because of the CFiii grand piano itself, or maybe it's dumb luck in sampling. If CFX sounds harsh to you, do a comparison.
@@Zoco101 I don't know. When I tried the CFX several years ago it was in a small space so I was just blasted with sound LOL! The lid wasn't even fully opened because it was so loud🎹🎶
@@MerriamPianos Just plug in Stu's Apple computer with his Intermediate Version of Pianoteq, and see if you hear a double strike on simply a single combined tone. Also check all these instruments to see if Strings sustain with a sustain pedal, because they don't on the Yamaha-DGX-670 and it's very disappointing. Some of these lower end pianos may not even have a MIDI out. The reason for doing this is that Pianoteq or some other virtual piano added to the voice of these low end pianos can greatly improve the tone.
@@MerriamPianos Here's another thing end users should know. Can the firmware be upgraded? As far as I know the DGX cannot and therefore any shortcomings cannot be addressed, and believe me it has some very serious issues even though it does represent one of the best values for a lower priced instrument.
For action - how does the PHA4 on Roland compare to the RH3 of Kawai? Is one closer in feel to an acoustic? Debating on this Roland RP107 and CN29 on Kawai....
They are both exceptional actions in my opinion and amongst the best all plastic key actions available. The PHA4 action plays a little heavier and has a more pronounced escapement sensation. I would say they both have an authentic feel, but it is a matter of preference in regard to the weighting. I would recommend trying both models to see which feel you connect with more. :)
Please make comparison of Kawai KPD120 vs Yamaha YDP145
Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to tackle that. With that said, we do have a comparison between the KDP120 and the predecessor to the YDP145, the YDP144. You can check that comparison out here:
th-cam.com/video/IB0EWvRHuNU/w-d-xo.html
@Merriam Music oh thanks I get it now😊🎹🎶
You're welcome! :)
So an Steinway D vs a Yamaha CFX... Damn, that's tough... Both are my favourites
It is definitely a tough decision between two great piano tones! Perhaps, having access to both is the real solution. ;)
Why don’t you just use piano VSTs of your favourite pianos.
@@mfurman i do actually...
I really enjoyed this video and your excellent piano skills. You make it look so easy and effortless (judging by the look on your face 5:28 🤣)
Thank you for this comparison. I still haven't decided on which brand to choose, but this definitely helps!
Thank you! We appreciate that immensely. We're very glad to hear that you found the video helpful through your process. :)
Can help me compare Roland F701 or Roland RP107 which one is better? Whats the difference between the two models?
We will do our best to tackle that review for you. With that said, the F701 is a higher end model technically. They both feature the PHA4 action and SuperNATURAL tone engine, but the F701 has more built-in sounds and a higher powered speaker system. The F701 also has a more streamlined cabinet as well. :)
@@MerriamPianoshow about roland f701 and RP701? Is the the difference only the cabinet? Or theres difference between the piano or engine?
Hi, Brent. I have a new question. This Ydp 145 or the Kawai kdp 120??? Which would are you more inclined for? Thanks
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for the question! It all comes down to a matter of personal preference of course. Both pianos have a very different touch and tone. To me, the Kawai KDP120 is a superior instrument for a number of reasons. Firstly, I find the tone to be far warmer and authentic than the YDP145. I also think that sampling is more detailed/nuanced, which provides a more rewarding musical experience.
@@MerriamPianos Thank you, Brent. I don't realice that I write this in my another account, haha. Thank you! I'll get the KDP
I understood Headphones and speakers working at the same time the sound on the headphones is to sharp? Am I correct? If that’s the case, can the speakers be turned off while using headphones? Guess that’s the purpose of using headphones. Thanks!
The vast majority of headphone outputs automatically bypass the speaker system. With that said, I don't know exactly what you mean by "too sharp". There are several factors that can lead to slight tonal differences between the sonic experience of the speaker system and headphones. For example, every set of headphones will be voiced differently, which will augment or diminish certain frequency bands potentially.
Hi. I have another comparation for you.
We've heard many times this or that digital piano is based in a acoustic piano (high level yamaha with Bösendorfer imperial por kawai with its own concert grand piano ).
I would like a comparative review beetwen those elements: a good digital piano (not an entry level like my Thomann dp-26/medeli sp4000) and its acoustic counterpart.
Could you do that, please?
Hi Eduardo! Thanks so much for tuning in! That is a very cool idea! Thank you for the awesome suggestion! Given that most of these digital pianos' core sounds are built off of 9'+ concert grands, it might be tricky to accommodate all of the key models, but we will certainly do our best. :)
Beside my kawai mp11se, I have an old yamaha clp 120.... I am thinking about selling this and buy the yamaha ydp 45(or another one).... what is your opinion about that.... if you have the time , would appreciate an answer.
Thanks upfront.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! My suggestion would be to get to a showroom to test out the YDP145 to see if you feel that the musical experience is more inspiring than your current CLP120. Tone and touch preferences are very personal and subjective. Thanks so much for tuning in and all the best! :)
@@MerriamPianos thanks for your reply!
I think RP107 sounds cheap in bass area. It gives you thin and sharp sound. I dont like the thinness. Ydp145 gives more bold sounds I think
It comes down to a matter of preference of course. They are both excellent pianos for the price, but they do offer a different flavour musically. Thanks for tuning in! :)
Kawai KDP120 or Yamaha YDP145? Looking for better sound quality and build. Leaning towards the Kawai, but Yamaha’s history makes it tough to decide.
It really comes down to a matter of personal preference. For me, the Kawai sounds more authentic. I really love its warm, immersive tone. With that said, it is a very subjective thing of course. :)
@@MerriamPianos thank you for the response! I am just starting my piano journey, so I want to make sure I invest on something that will last me for many years and also looks good as a piece of furniture :) At the end of the day I know both will accomplish that.
Hi Stu, I have been watching your videos as I am hoping to buy a digital piano for myself soon. I have checked out YDP165 this afternoon and I really liked it, considering to purchase one. According to Yamaha's website, YDP165 has the GH3 keyboard while 145 does GHS keyboard. I wonder if there would be any noticeable difference in touch and feel of keys.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for reaching out with your question. Both the GHS and GH3 keyboards are grade-weighted and have a heavy enough touch that does a very good job of simulating the feel of a real piano. The GH3 however is a more refined and sophisticated action. The keys are more responsive and swing back faster, which allows for a faster repetition (more comparable to a grand piano touch). I would also recommend checking out the pertinent Roland models (RP107, HP702, DP603, etc.). They have wonderful weighted touches that provide a high degree of authenticity when it comes to touch. :)
How i buy this one from india,sir❓
Without brokery...
Or through online apps?
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🎼🎼💐
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! I am not particularly familiar with piano dealers in markets outside of North America. With that said, you can search for local dealers on manufacturers' website. Hopefully, you will be able to find one that can ship the piano model of your choice to you. :)
Ok thank you sir❤️
is it just me who noticed an improvement on the audioquality or am i just imagining this?. my english is bad by the way sorry
Perhaps, it is the new refinements made to these models' tone engines. ;)
That is a matter of taste, even playing both side by side and like much much more ydp145. No comparision for me, but each one...
For sure! These decisions will always come down to subjectivity and personal preference. :)
Hey Stu, I'm not a fan of the new editing style btw.. the headings are too big and the ticking sounds and special effects are a bit distracting! (Just my opinion..) Also, it feel like you're rushing the videos now - are you trying to make them as short as possible? Sorry to be a bummer - I do like the playing samples at the end of the video though! And I understand why short & snappy vids are popular X
I guess not everyone wants to hear you ramble on about pianos - but I do!
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thank you for your feedback. We're sorry to hear that you don't enjoy the new format. We are always trying to keep things fresh and experiment with ways to improve our video reviews/comparisons. Thanks again and happy playing! :)
Contrary to what Stu is saying, I am choosing GHS action because I practice 2-3 times/week on Yamaha C7 grand piano. Both C7 and Yamaha GHS action have THE SAME static down-weight of 50g for C4 and 53-54g for C2.
It is not true that PHA-4 resembles acoustic piano action more. PHA-4 is a relatively heavy and springy action (64g on C4 and 72g on C2).
I need light action and anything above 55g is out of my consideration.
By the way, some well known pianists adjust their Steinway grand piano action to 45g.
Michael
Ps. I considered Yamaha CLP745 digital piano but its action was heavier than expected - 70g on C2. I returned my Yamaha P-515 (after almost a year of playing because its heavy action affected very negatively my fingers, especially right hand fifth digit.
Touch preferences are a highly subjective matter of course. Even the suggestion of one piano action being more authentic than the other will come down to the opinions and preferences of the player. At the end of the day, the most important thing is to find an action that connects with you and your player. Also, whether discussing acoustic or digital pianos, there is a wide array of different feels/touches out there.
In my country the YDP-165 is now 1200$
There are some pricing disparities from region to region and market to market.
YDP stands for Yamaha Digital Piano ....Yes !!!🤗
A very logical naming convention! :)
I tried the Yamaha YDP145 before and loved it. The GHS action though not Yamaha's best action is still prity responsive. The sound is prity good 2 almost made me want to take it home with me. I did think about it for a wile before I got over it haha🎹🎶
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your experiences with the YDP145! These are both solid home digital pianos that pack a lot of value to say the least. :)
"pretty" - to a moderately high degree; fairly.
@@JoeLinux2000 it's worth it in my opinion. I really don't like the PHA4's jumpy dynamic respons🎹🎶
What is your opinion of this piano in the link? th-cam.com/video/4MMkTThxA-g/w-d-xo.html
It seems to have a very responsive action, and it sounds great too. Probably cheaper than the Yamaha YDP145, I am buying one. Notice the pedal is wireless🎵🎵
@@Instrumental-Covers what is it? Your reply got deleted for some reason🎹🎶