Jim Cornette on A&E's Ultimate Warrior Biography
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- From Episode 193 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Like Scott Hall said about Warrior. "The fans cheered when he ran to the ring and you can't teach that."
thats what i try to explain to people. When i was 10 years old in 1999/2000, we used to put each other in all the famous finishers..3d each other through tables, pedigree each other, walls of jericho each other, ankle lock each other, rock bottom each other, stunner each other..That was the magic of it. When the old video games were out in the 90s, I USED To love the "created player" mode. The entrance music..the finishers...It was just a certain vibe man. It wasn't all about technical wrestling or any of the principles of wrestling, it was about being excited to do their finishers. It's a certain feel-good energy that's not about actually wrestling, but it comes from wrestling. It can't be taught. Kids don't even pretend to wrestle anymore or do finishers on each other. That vibe died out.
@@sabot4ge well some do but not many play wrestle like we did. Yeah some kids got hurt but that's why (from my experience) we tried to be careful with that and improvised with stuff
@@sabot4ge anything remotely masculine is bad now
Jim Johnston was a big part of that. That theme gets asses out of seats.
fans did the same thing when referee Charles Robinson sprinted to the ring at WM24
The Warrior was awesome to us kids in the 80’s. We didn’t know anything about wrestling or technical wrestling etc. He was just larger than life and colorful and looked stronger than anyone and so kids ate it up.
I grew up in the 80s and couldn't stand him. When Hogan's first reign ended I was far more interested in Savage/Steamboat, and especially the Hart Foundation.
I preferred Bret Hart as a kid and he was just in a tag team. I wasn't 'smart'. I just liked guys who could actually wrestle and looked cool. Million Dollar Man, Shawn after he put Marty through the window. I liked some other guys who weren't considered top workers. Big Boss Man, Jake Roberts, Piper. Personality and in ring story telling. I couldn't be bothered with Warrior and bored of Hogan quickly.
@@kirkcaldykanka9421 The Hart Foundation vs Bulldogs were matches I always made sure to watch when I was a kid.. those were just awesome.
When I was a kid I thought Warrior was a crackhead. He seemed like a real weirdo.
I wasn't around in the 80s but had one of those wrestlemania anthology collections on DVD as a kid that I had saved up and bought. His matches were always fuckin weird but its really hard to deny that as a kid he looked cool and was absolutely massive.
Though even as a kid, that comeback HHH match was atrocious and confusing lmfao.
Also wasn't a fan of Hogan. Granted I was used to matches passed that era, but I always thought the hulking up thing was cheesy as hell
A good buddy of mine as a kid was a big warrior fan. He claimed he understood some deep meaning in the promos that eludes the rest of us.
We still talk about wrestling when I visit him in the mental hospital. Good times
Lol!
They sort of made sense to me when I was 8. It seems whatever special abilities I had though disappeared at some point, cause holy shit he sounds like a maniac now
I agree 💯% I had and still have a open mind and understood but some a lot of peaple are incapable of that
@studio732jrl2 yea you got it
yvan eht nioj
Bobby Heenan was the voice of wrestling when I was a kid. Jim Cornette is the voice of wrestling for me these days!
loved me some Heenan dising hillbilly Jim and Duggan...memories...
Thanks for that
Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon...Imo was the best cometary team
He is the voice of middle-aged and old men
Cringe
They omitted any mention of his disastrous WCW run. Omission seems to be the name of the game with these Titan sanctioned docs.
Strange considering WWE does everything it can to dump on WCW as "the inferior enemy" whenever it has the chance.
Yeaaah! I didn't see this, but I asked a friend at work today "did they mention Hogan/Warrior II in WCW?" and he said "No."
I was surprised but not surprised at the same time.
@@TheBadGuy235 I mean the biography was more about the man himself, not a breakdown of every match of his career
I said the same thing but ppl are saying they dont care. I would think thats part of his WRESTLING CAREER but hey
@@KokoTheGorilla69 That match had to do with the man himself. lol
Ultimate Warrior like him or not was a mega star, didn’t have to do much in ring and the fans were crazy about him. You see the wrestlers today , they do so much in ring and can’t get anywhere near as over.
Need to start roiding up, brother.
The Ultimate Warrior was "made" as a mega-star by taking an un-athletic, out of shape and generally unhealthy guy....and having the best heels in the wrestling business carry him to matches. He was made by literally squashing every legend they had up to and including Andre the Giant. They smashed him over everyone and it did work to make him briefly a star. But then the wheels came off.
The WWE could make another Ultimate Warrior anytime it wanted to. Just go find a bodybuilder with some charisma and have everyone in the company get squashed by him. The same formula that WCW used later successfully with Goldberg.
But the problem is always the same. You can push that sort of guy to the top. But you can't keep him there. You can smash over an untalented guy and make him look like superman, but eventually you run out of bodies to throw at him. And once he reaches the main events, the guy will start to get exposed.
Different times, if someone did what warrior done now they'd be laughed out of the building
That is so true because back in the day it was about spots which wrestling now days do not have
@@12345Yeah You are right about that
“My dad thought I was gay for years because of that” 😂😂😂
Warrior had an incredible look and amazing intensity. But his in-ring ability was extremely limited. So often, his matches were booked as squashes because of it, and fans did love that about him too because it was something new and different. They loved that this guy ran to the ring, destroyed people, and ran out. But everything new becomes old, so if you don't have anything about you beyond that, longevity is going to be a struggle.
This is what they should have Bobby Lashley and Brock Lesnar doing and all the other Giants in WWF
It's amazing how long you can get away with squashing people without much skill if you have the right look and a decent promo - Goldberg has managed an entire career of it !
It helped that he was in the right place in time to be a WWF star with those squash matches. At the time the TV shows were filled with matches against jobbers with maybe an interview segment to continue a storyline and maybe one match between established stars as a "main event." The only times Warrior would have had a chance to do much beyond his squashes were on PPV and Main Event shows.
You can't really do the whole squash match thing today because RAW and Smackdown have matches between established stars throughout their shows. Sometimes they bring in jobbers to push a new monster character (Strowman and Jax come to mind), but they stand out as obvious.
The Ultimate Warrior was the first Goldberg. And between the two, I think The Ultimate Warrior is far more interesting.
Even as a kid I could never see why Ultimate Warrior got to the level he did. RIP to Mr. Hellwig, but his pro wrestling character Ultimate Warrior was simply one of the most overrated of all time!!!
I’ll give Hellwig credit: he truly became his gimmick.
He wasn't Randy Savage. He is much more well spoken than his promos.
like New Jack but not stabby
@Jeremy Barnett, so did Ted Dibiase, the difference is, IT TOOK DIBIASE ALMOST GETTING DIVORCED to keep his gimmick under control & keep who he is off camera separate from his gimmick on camera.
Warrior said a wrestlers gimmick is just crazy, exaggerated version of their true personality.
A psycho? Cause that's where he started, not where he ended up. :V
I forgot about the bit when they ask Vince if he saw Warrior as a son and Vince says “no I have a son who I love” and he just saw Warrior as an employee
"When the warrior went to the ring, the people cheered, and you can't teach that" -Scott Hall.
Yeah. Jimmy can complain all he wants, but he sold seats.
@@dubuyajay9964 ...for less than a year. The second he had to work, those seats grew emptier and emptier by the turn of the coin.
Getting over in Wrestling is not just about being a great technician in the ring.
@David Martin If he drew, then why did Vince take the belt off of him? If he was such a draw, why did his reign fail almost immediately? If he was such a draw, when did Vince have to take the belt off of him, and do all that fumble fucking, going through Savage, to Flair, all to get to Bret (who is as opposite of Warrior as you can be)?
Spoiler: Because he wasn't drawing.
@@Liryc83 And getting over in wrestling isn't being a short term flash in the pan who then can NEVER get over ever again.
When your 4-6 years old, his promos were captivating, 30 years later looking back, um WHAT THE FUCK! Lol
😂 thought I was the only one
His promos are awesome to me.
Yep me to that's why when he went to WCW he flopped people seen his wrestling skills were bad just had that warrior gimmick
That was his fan base, 4-8 years old. Everybody else thinks he's absolute garbage.
@Raf no one could, it was just slurs lol and the moon was in there sometimes lol
"No, I have a son."
I must see this clip for the unintentional comedy.
he doesnt actually say that.
HORNSWAGGLE!
He definitely said something similar to that, those may not have been the exact words.
Said I only have 1 son.
I believe they asked Vince if his relationship with Warrior was like father and son and Vince said, "No, I only have one son".
I loved how Hogan talked about having the eyes of the crowd on him instead of Warrior after their match. You know, because he's also admitted everything he did post pin was designed to steal Warrior's thunder.
Looking back on it now, the way that match ended pissed me off. Him saying that all eyes were on him instead of Warrior, well no shit because he made sure that they were. After the pinfall, he immediately gets back up and no sells the Warrior's splash. Then while Warrior celebrates, you have Hogan pantomiming and going "woe is me" which takes away from Warrior's moment. Finally, he made sure to look all depressed while leaving the ring to the point where people were more sad for Hogan than happy for Warrior. No wonder no one else really got up to Hogan's level during that time because he wouldn't let them. He did the same shit with Savage two years prior. After Savage won the title, Hogan is out there hotdogging and grandstanding, taking away some of the shine from Savage's victory. And he would do something similar three years later with Bret Hart by fucking him out of the main event spotlight. After watching OSW Review, I've come to realize what a piece of shit he really was. Not to mention the whole 2015 racism leak which made him persona non-grata in WWE for years. It makes me ashamed to have ever been a fan of the guy.
@@Partyboy22 Hogan did the same also in the match vs The Rock at WM. Rock wins but pretty much immediately after Hogan is getting all the attention on him. It's certainly no coincidence, guy never liked sharing the limelight.
@@Harry-sc1xk I don't see anything wrong with doing what you can to put yourself over after you put someone else over. It keeps people interested in more than one performer. When Undertaker's streak ended were all eyes on Brock Lesnar or The Undertaker?
@@Partyboy22 Well, no shit he did that, why the F wouldn't he?!?! He is the biggest star in the history of the business, and his fanbase was 10 times bigger than the next biggest guy....When parents were taking my generation to the fucking events, it sure as shit wasn't to go watch Hulk Hogan get beat! If he is going to get beat, you better have a plan to keep some shine on him! When Warrior beat him, WAY MORE KIDS were sad that their hero just got beat, than kids that were happy. As in nationwide, not just the fans in attendance. Warrior did a great job to just get somewhere close to Hogan's stratosphere, that in and of itself is no small feat. From a business standpoint, that was probably the best/safest way to have Hogan lose. You can't let those top babyface guys get pinned very often at all, just doesn't make sense....and if you do, you have to let them save face. Vince has the final say, so maybe your problem is more with him. Also, I could give a fuck less about what he said in the privacy of his own home, this is America...I didn't meet the people he was referring to, don't know the circumstances and character of the people involved. Quite frankly, it's none of our business, and total BS that anyone's First Amendment protected speech should affect their livelihoods in any way. If you think it should, the entire concept of the First Amendment is lost on you. I'm getting a little lost in the weeds here, but I don't think that comment makes anyone a piece of shit - and neither does any of the pre-decided outcomes/storylines that VM has the final word on.
@@hackattack0154 how Hulk Hogan ever got over is beyond me, never liked him or Ric Flair for that matter.
These thumbnail cartoons are always brilliant. I love the animation style, the situations and of course, the look on Corny’s face in all of them. 👍
It's a static image. Not animation, no movement, no motion, not animated.
@@tron.44 Walt Disney ova here!!
"I was a wrestling fan and a professional. He offended me on both counts." hahahahaha
Cornette is offensive on all counts.
Yes if I had to pick between these two Jim's Jim Cornette or jim Hellwig i think I'm picking hellwig cuz Cornette is the most depressing old fart he never has anything good to say about anybody any ways so who care how he feels about warrior
@@benvalenti8190 You cared enough to watch it and comment lmao
@@chriskay1449 warrior fan 😂
I love the way he calls Russo "shit stain" so casually, it just rolls off his tongue so naturally lol
He's too nice.
That’s because he is.
That’s his name
Cos he's so obsessed it's pathetic at this point
So much hatred for Russo it borders on gay
The ultimate challenge of watching this show was trying to figure out why they interviewed Russo, Heyman and the Miz. I couldn't figure out the connections to the Ultimate Warrior.😕
The Miz is working filler in such documentaries. He's doing it for over a decade now.
Exactly...AE we’re clueless. No interview in wcw run. Question Hogan what was said in phone call to wcw.
Miz is a company yes man.
Russo has gone on record saying that he had conversations with warrior when he was still writing the magazine and he also has said he tried bringing the ultimate warrior back to wcw in late 1999
I popped huge when Brian asked Corny if he’s offended that Warrior ditched the Jim name. 🤣
I liked how Brian went there when Jim was going s little too far in just bashing warrior as a person, Brian lightened the mood and got Jim to relax a bit
Yes so did I.
"Except for selling tickets" - that's a hell of a caveat when trying to bury a wrestlerl
"Just because McDonald's sells the most hamburgers worldwide, does it mean they're actually good?" - Jim
@@DefendYoungstown it does actually, if they weren't good no one would buy them
@@zachary_attackery are cigarettes good?
@@bradpaton3927 they are to people who smoke (like Jim Cornette)
Yup what an absolutely ridiculous thing to say ha. Said it with no irony. He doesn't like Warrior and can't see straight.
Why didn't they simply call the DVD "The self destrucity of the Ultimate Warrior"?
He would've sued them, again, but you're right. That would've been great!
👏👏👏
or they could've called it "Queering Doesn't Make the World Work." lmao.
@@Karemaker 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“The Self Destrucity of the Anabolic Warrior!”
The promo leading up to the 1989 Survivor Series, where Ultimate Warrior is circling Jim Neidhart, Shawn Michaels and Marty Janetty with tape. Incomprehensible.
I remember neidhart stroking his beard for 2 straight minutes
That was one of the best promos ever lol
Warrior never took coke, the power of the Warrior was more powerful than coke.
Incomprehensible. But it worked.
I remember watching that promo as a 10yr old, & even then I could see what the point of it was .... He was tying them all together to make a team
Vince: “No, I have a son”
Camera pans to HHH
Cena is the only son Vince wishes happy birthday to.
Shane yells "Pan to me! Not him!"
Lmao
@@theunknownone5990 LMFAO even more
LOL! That was odd and cold!
A big credit to Rick Rude and Randy Savage's talent. They had good matches with Warrior
A wrestler cannot make a good match by himself, the other side must be good for the match to be good, if it is as you say why weren't all the matches of Rick Rude and Savage as good as they were with the warrior?! If the warrior wasn't that good, their matches with him wouldn't have been good at all
@@anderson3293 agree to disagree.
Hogan too...WM 6 main even was very well laid out...partly because they rehearsed the heck out of it.
@@anderson3293 Just about no one ever has said that Ultimate Warrior was capable of putting on an above average match with his in ring abilities. So yeah, the matches were carried by Rude and Savage. A pro wrestling match most certainly can turn out good but be carried by only 1 of the wrestlers. It's happened plenty of times before, and probably will happen again
@@mattm7798 I'll say this, Hogan could work a lot better than he had too. Hulk carried that to a good match.
Yeah the lack of any wcw info was pretty sad
I know right? I mean, how dare they leave out the Renegade?!
Seems more like a kindness...
that was my thought as well
@Tiger Hogan woulda just lied thru his teeth like he always does. Loved the Mach bio when Hogan said Steamer/Mach didnt try to upstage him. No way. Seconds later, Steamboat says that him & mach tried to have a better match than Hogan/Andre lol.
@Tiger Let's start a thread: Hogan said Andre died weeks after he body slammed him in Detroit @ WM3.
I didn't even like Warrior when I was a kid in the 80s. When Hogan's first reign ended, I was getting further into the Hart Foundation. Loved what they did and I loved their feud with the Bulldogs before that.
You were in the minority among kids then lol
@@GameTime-yj6qv I didn't care. To me he was a goof. Couldn't understand a word he said...I remember my dad would crack up when he did a promo.
@@GameTime-yj6qv That’s because most kids were morons, those of us a bit more clued into the business and watching more than just the WWF could see he was nothing special.
Great entrance, great body, but other than that he was the shits.
You weren't alone. I was a kid who preferred NWA/ WCW back then. Sure I watched a lot of Hogan and warrior WWF stuff, and I didn't "hate" it, per se, but as a kid I was obsessed with watching Flair/Horsemen, Sting, Muta, Road Warriors, Steiner's, Abby, Cactus, Vader, Freebirds etc...maybe I was just a contrarian, because all of my friends loved WWF, and I went towards the opposition.
I hate this talk of “he hated his father,” just bc you don’t get along with your parent doesn’t mean you can’t grieve. I can see someone grieving bc they never got a chance to know or reconcile.
Agree 100000% Warrior did see and talked to his dad before he passed and he went to his wake and funeral, was not an excuse.Vince no,s now and still does no fix it.
Vance woodruff You are absolutely correct, Sir! I had that type of relationship with my dad. When he passed, it hurt me more than I would've ever imagined. We did reconcile, kinda, while he was on his death bed. Wish that our relationship had been better. You were spot on with your comment.
This was the prettiest part about self deatruction of uw. God forbid he goes to his dads funeral. So petty.
That was started by the lying weasel Bruce Prichard.
I totally get where Corny's coming from though. I had relatives myself that I hated, had zero interest in reconciling with, and refused to go to their funerals. Like he said "i'm sorry he's dead but it didnt change who the prick was in life "
I remember hearing a Tony Atlas interview where he talked about him and the Warrior being bought in when Kerry was hurt, as soon as Kerry came back, they both were gone... Tony alluded to World Class not wanting anybody who could challenge Kerry’s physique
Kerry was the star of the promotion. When Lawler was hurt they brought in somebody else. And when he was healthy time to come back. Same thing with Kerry. It's just business
@@davestuddaman8127 Kerry had skills!
Anybody that believes Tony Atlas is an idiot.
Tony or warrior couldnt match Kerry as either a physique or as a worker
@@TeeKoon yeah Kerry was a beast!!!
Dark Side of the Ring will be the real documentary on him that I am looking forward too the most.
to, not “too”.
I can’t wait to.
@@SecretGerms thanks dad ❤️
@@gqn2 ikr 😆
@Tiger can’t trust anything that these wwe goofs are involved with making
17:30 if Russo is in this, then this biography automatically loses credibility.
Lol dead ass. Russo wasn't even there when warrior was hot
Shitstain stamp of assquality.
I would love an episode of Dark side of the ring on Russo. Cornette would be all over that episode.
Booking into oblivion: The Vince Russo Story
@@AWX_Wrestling Between just Bischoff and Corny, that's a 15 episode mini-series.
@@zlinedavid it's a whole season!
Almost 50 minutes?!?! Oh I'm gonna make some popcorn & enjoy this!
The key here is simple: ring entrances are the reason why many watch the matches. The hype. The spectacle. When I was a kid entrances were why you watched the matches. And WWF and WCW perfected the over the top entrance. The Ultimate Warrior had one of the most unique entrances of all time. It was intense and energetic. That's why he put asses in the seats.
Sure but that only gets you so far. Warrior had good stories too in 88-91 usually, without them he'd have fizzled out fast
Takers entrance has always been the best, I'll have you know! Lol
@@garyhen1707 not true.
I'll definitely never forget Shawn Michael's at WM12
"As a Jim, did it bother you he ran from the name?"
That's was awesome! 🤣😂😀😆
I assume he wasn’t welcome at their meetings anymore. 😂😂😂
Shane McMahon
-Friend of The Warrior
A called him a kid
Lol yeah wtf was that?
The Ultimate Warrior got me into wrestling. He made a huge impact in the short time he was in WWF. RIP Warrior.
Corny is the most naturally inadvertently funny person I have ever heard.
I love how he combines his analysis with witty sarcasm and southern humor 😂🤣 I wish he ran WWE
Its not inadvertent. He knows he's funny
FOR REAL YO!
He's a incredible funny, definitely. And he's got better timing, jokes and stories than must modern stand-comics.
I found it hilarious that Shane McMahon was subtitled as Warrior's "friend".
He was Warriors friend. He was a little brother to Warrior
@@christophercomitini8619 😅
Most delusional company on this planet just after the weapons industry companies
@@JohnKobaRuddy what about bigtech.
@@christophercomitini8619 Yeah, except Vince didn't see Warrior as son when asked. LMAO!!!
I saw that this video of Cornettes take on Warrior was 48 minutes I made sure to get comfortable cause you know this will be a good review.
Exactly 😂
I did a double check when I noticed it was nearly an hour. I was expecting 28 mins max
Lol, yep
@@scorptarget åaaagbhh6p
The thing I've always found funny and hypocritical:
Warrior Steamrolls a guy in less than five minutes: "He can't Wrestle worth a damn...get him the fuck outta this business"
Goldberg in 97: Steamrolls Hugh Morris in 45 seconds: YAYY!! What a bad ass this dude is we love it!!
🤷♂️
I remember in the late 90s when Goldberg had that winning streak in the WCW. Everyone loved him, but I can't remember anyone who captured audiences like the Ulitmate Warrior in the late 80s/early 90s.
@@colinj5291 its the "IT" factor man. Some guys just have IT. The aura, the presence, you can literally feel it. You can give two guys the exact same gimmick but the guy with the "IT" factor will always stand out. Some things you just cant teach.
By the sounds of it, Goldberg had similar paranoia and insecurity backstage that Warrior did. 'The boys' always resented that type of push and fucked with those stars but in Goldberg's case he was friends with Hogan at a time when he was heel and no longer competing for the top babyface spot. From a fan perspective Goldberg came off more believable, modern and less cartoonish which helped him also.
Goldberg had the same trajectory. At first it was yay. Then he also got up his own rectum and didn’t improve
What if I told you that those opinions come from different people?
Bottom line, was Warrior put asses on seats and moved merch.
I feel today we have the opposite problem; guys who can work far too long for their own good, have very little personality, and don't sell out venues.
@Riff Raf up until 2021
I was part of the group that booked speakers at a big state college. Yes, anyone can get booked.
Except Conservatives in 2021
Yep. When I was in college I listened to a debate between Ron Jeremy and a feminist lol
@@neilsmith9066 🤡🤡🤡
@@neilsmith9066
If I wanted to hear constant lies, delusions, and misplaced blame about the situation they find themselves in I'll just talk to the homeless crackhead down the street, why the hell would I want to subject myself to a filthy post-trump conservative??
You guys have proved my point exactly 😉
Jim’s exasperated sighs 😂😂😂😂
One of the many reasons I believe he is Chris Chan’s illegitimate father!
Hilarious 😂😂😂
I heard one as soon as I read your comment 😂
Jim sighed right when I read that
SIIIGGHHH!..........wtf.
I remember hearing a story from a guy who was a kid back then. Warrior is cutting one of his intense psycho promos and his dad was just in the background losing his mind laughing. "What is it daddy? What's so funny?" "Oh nothing son." Then he said he grew up and watched his promos and went "Ohhhhh....I get it now." lol
Was it the one~Hulkamania being in an ✈,but it's falling out of the sky?
Try to put yourself in our shoes as italian fans in that period. We had a very good american commentator that knew a little bit of italian (he was a former NCAA basket coach moved to Europe) and everytime when UW was speaking he had to combine his no-sense words with a good translation in a language (italian) that he learned not so well yet. It was hilarious 🤣
@@iononsoleggere9065 That's awesome!
“No, I have a son.”🤣🤣🤣 classic Vince McMahon
I thought he had 2 his other illegitimate son hornswoggle lmfao #jokes
Swoggle should call Stephen P. New! 🤣
That was harsh, a lot of wrestlers have mentioned to see Vince as a father figure and crave his approval.
Jim is spot on but.... When I was a kid NWA/WCW was the REAL wrestling. WWF was a circus
I can't wait for this Thursday's Dark Side of the Ring. The Warrior was one of the few posters I had on my wall as a kid. I wanted to look just like the Warrior (even tho I'm black lol). The Warrior was literally He-Man coming to life.
He was different in that he wasn't a "white meat" Babyface. He was a good guy with a maniacal edge. Superman or Cyclops he was not. Warrior had more in line with Wolverine, the Hulk or even Batman. He was a hero that had a borderline personality.
If you been smarten up you know now that Warrior was far from the ideal pro wrestler. But for that short time he was superhero that came fresh off the comic book pages. #warrior #ultimatewarrior #darksideofthering #prowrestling #wwe
Accurate. A Unique character he created. It seems many just can't get it.
Kids like circuses though. If you were a kid and preferred '"real wrestling" over the WWF circus you were in the minority, bro.
I disagree wcw/nwa matches looked slow, boring, and not real. WWF matches were at much faster pace, everything just looked better.
WWF back then is better than the crap we have now you gotta admit that
@@chadk890 💯
So wrong that they didn't give any mention of Warriors feud with Rick Rude, Rude made Warrior look as good as any other wrestler could. and was definitely his best program
And Rude beat him up during this run
Totally agree. Macho man was a close second
No macho man made him look really good during their feud
There was a mention of the Rude feud. Rude and Warrior worked well together, I really liked the Cage match they had. For me, personally I thought his matches with Randy Savage were the best ones he ever had. I think Randy was one of the only guys in the business that got along well with Warrior.
They quickly mentioned their Wwf title feud in 1990, I'm talking about their ic title feud in 89, Warriors best feud IMO. Rude definitely deserved more credit for helping get Warrior over
Last week: "fuck 2 cold for talking bad about someone who is dead"
This week: "fuck ultimate warrior"
Warrior-Hogan was an awesome match, Jim.
One of the best of all time for me, when you factor in atmosphere and story and occasion.
Warrior/Savage at Mania was great too, the story especially
Only because hogan carried the match and UW to that next level.
@@clarkkent4734 Really? UW was just awful in the ring. Winding up his clothesline, and his finisher was the splash. He sucked! He didn't care about wrestling, and it showed.
@@delgrady10 yup. And I remember hearing in an interview somewhere that the warrior wanted to end the match way earlier multiple times during the match because he told Hogan let’s go home and Hulk would tell him not yet and now we got to keep it going because Hulk knew he had to give the fans a great show and there moneys worth 😎👍🏻👍🏻💯
All I know is when Warrior ran to the ring. The crowd POPPED and you can't teach that.
I went nuts the best one was Honky Tonk Man said give me anybody I don’t care that warrior music hit the place went insane
when that entrance music plays, it was just energetic. warrior is the perfect character built for kids. an adult wouldnt like him at all, but for the kid in me, he was the SHIT!!!
@@universe-ie2mk he was the guy that got me interested in wrestling, wasn’t the best wrestler but didn’t need to be his character was over he got you excited that entrance and those crazy promos got you pumped
Can’t teach him a lot of things apparently. Someone probably tried to teach him to not Publish a comic of him raping Santa Claus but he didn’t listen, seems to be a theme in his careers
wouldn't be that hard to teach "Run."
In one of his first shoot interviews, Warrior said that he used to regularly walk in (from hanging out) on his stepfather asleep in the living room while wrestling was on late nights (on the weekends). He mentioned Dick the Bruiser and the Crusher. He said that he seemed ashamed for being caught having it on television. Also, Warrior was never kicked out of WCCW. According to Chris Jericho, he was told that they wanted him to trash Hellwig in that initial DVD.
@@travismcdonald6576 Yeah, that was weird.
This is a lie, they were actually told to "be honest". And a ton of those participants were honest enough to stick by what they said for decades, to the point where they refused to take part in THIS puff piece A+E documentary (which was SPECIFICALLY bumped-forwards to overshadow the larger VICE "Dark Side of..." Documentary). The Chaser (a now-semi defunct Australian comedy troupe) had a superb song about how hypocritical the concept of respecting wankers, spoilt brats and dickheads because they're dead, and Hellwig fits the description.
Hellwig was a cunt when he was alive and his death DOESN'T change any of the facts stated about him which were corroborated by several people AND the Lawsuits he filed because he was a fragile bitch who can't handle criticism.
Furthermore, his ego and delusions of grandeur fuelled his self-destruction, he was given the world in a purple polka dot present and he threw it away with his poor sportsmanship and horrible character flaws and traits.
I need backstage footage of Warrior going through the curtain with the chair at Summerslam ‘91
Same! And im willing to bet they have it.
Imagine all the unseen backstage footage they have.
@@GameTime-yj6qv a treasure trove for sure
Man, are we lucky that Jim loves to talk…he’s so good at it.
for real. im always impressed at his use of the language
As a fan from this era, the NWA was more believable as a “real” contest. WWE was more like a kids show, bright colorful noisy as all get out. WWE all the faces had the traditional action figure build, whereas NWA had more tough guy builds.
As a kid back then my favorites were always Roddy Piper and Jake Roberts. I liked guys that could talk.... probably why I don’t like the modern shit.
WWF back then was entertaining. Fans connected to teams like Demolition. WWE today SUCKS with no true characters.
Piper was a worldwide treasure. I miss hearing him sometimes and yes, I know he had a drug habit most of his life. Do. Not. Care.
Warrior sold and owned his gimmick which is what Cornett usually respects. But yeah he couldn't 'work'. But as I kid I liked Roddy, and Jake, and mr. perfect... I liked all the guys that committed to their gimmick. So it's not like as a kid we didn't also like the workers too. But sorry as a kid bobby Eaton was really lame.
NWA made out getting Sting he was the better of the 2.
Imagine if the roles were reversed???
@@michaelsaenz then Sting may have been the cartoon character
@@sylvesterstanton7488 he kind of was @ 1st.
@@bradpaton3927 your right they both stunk but Sting put the work to become better.
How was Sting the better of the two when ppl are still talking about the Warrior.The two may have started out together but Warrior surpassed Sting by a wide margin as far as career/impact.
Say what you want about Warrior personally or his in ring limitations, but he entertained so many people.
@Riff Raf but more than you ever have or ever will.....
@Riff Raf up until 2021 and going.
well it was his job
So batman did/does..but it remains cartoonish
Jim cornett the best wrestling podcast out there 🤣 ppl get mad at him because he says how he really feels and that's the way its suppose to be
Jim does not understand that Warrior had a look that was super over for his time. He was like a lead in a hair metal band but had a body like Arnold Schwarzenegger. That was what was hot in the ‘80s. He was like a living superhero. You can say this or that about his promos not making sense but nobody read Incredible Hulk comics for his soliloquys... he was popular for smashing.
And Warrior’s toys were super popular. You can talk all day about Bruno or the Funks but they weren’t on the walls in Toys “R” Us. Warrior’s look was even copied in some early ‘90s video games like Streets of Rage 2.
Jim wants all his wrestlers to have hairy body's and chubby waists lmao
@@randylynch4330 You know?
Lol he was basically like hair and thrash metal in a blender
You said it all mate!
That's kind of a bad comparison with Bruno. It was such a different time when Bruno was on top. He may not have had a wrestling buddy doll, but he was way more over for longer than Warrior ever was.
I was shocked at how few WWE people they had in this..I woulda thought there'd be some spinning someway or another...but it was basically people not really in the business talking about Warrior
@Tiger Yeahhh but I thought there'd be more Bruce, McMahon, JR...that type of thing.
Vince has to approve the show had he no say in this the series wouldnt have aired I caught the second hour and will be watching the first hour tomorrow.
@Tiger he was definitely in the Shawn Michaels and Steve Austin one more...so was Bruce. I'm guessing it's because they've been so negative on Warrior in the past and this was more of a puff piece
@Tiger Hulk Hogan, Sting, Bert Hart, Jake Roberts, Undertaker, Honkey Tonk Man, Million Dollarman, Tito Santana, Sgt Slaughter, are ones off the top of my head are all still alive.
Nobody was willing to say anything good about Warrior.
Jim your killing me I grew up in the 80s and loved the Warrior. And now looking back its funny as hell!
I thought Warrior was great when I was 10 years old, and then I found WCW and saw Sting. At that point it dawned on me that this other promotion had a version of Warrior that could go longer, appeal to kids even more, do way more in the ring, and cut a coherent promo. Lost interest in Warrior after that and soon thereafter he was gone due to one of the things he pulled. By the time he came back in '96, The Undertaker had fully come into his own and I was old enough to recognize what a truly great wrestler was with because of guys like 'Taker, Bret Hart etc. So, I agree with Jim totally here because, at this point, Warrior's return was nothing more than "meh" for me because I was all about The Undertaker at that point.
Sting wasn't anything like warrior facepaint doesn't mean it's the same gimmick stings promos were horrible in the early 90s hiw in the he'll is sting a version of warrior they were tag partners at one point 😂 totally absolutely different wrestling style and gear facepaint lmao
I wonder how if they used a rocket ship 🚀 to travel to the planet Zambodia to speak with those that knew the Ultimate Warrior.
So the last Ultimate Warrior DVD was a burial, now this is too soft? Lol....
Dark side will even it out this week
@@brianharrington4400 can't wait.
@@brianharrington4400 If the last was one a burial, and this one soft, wouldn't that be even? People are praising the Ultimate Warriors episode before it's even out...
They literally aired him spewing homophobic quotes and talked about him yelling at children. I don't know how that's "going soft".
@@NorthJerseyJabroni Idk either hence the question mark. I haven't watched the documentary yet. But based on all these comments, it seems it was the opposite of the Macho Man's. I also believe I read a comment somewhere on this video which did mention soft.
One of the best things about sting is that hes really likable
Good company man unlike Warrior
Sting wanted to learn how to wrestle,. Warriror didnt. Sting wanted a long career in the business and Warrior didnt.
@@Chaz4543 Sting is also a Christian lay minister...So is Ted Di Biase Sr
When stood next to Hitler, Ted Bundy seems nice
Cornette's view of wrestling is the NWA southern wrestling style. So of course he would view Warrior gimmick as terrible. Warrior as a character is one of the greatest. Not a great wrestler. He never said he was.
I think that’s his entire point. Terrible promos, terrible wrestler, but was pushed to the moon. If you were 10 years old at the time of course you loved him. But if you go back as an adult and watch his matches and promos everything about it was terrible.
@@davidruberto8863 bullshit some of his matches where great and most of his promos are awesome entertainment
@@masterfulsky yup. That Hogan match. Love'em or hate'em. Awesome classic match
@@davidruberto8863 But he loves Jimmy Valiant who couldn't wrestle either but had charisma and could talk. Warrior was a way bigger star than Valiant who would have these convulsions in the ring and didn't draw like Hellwig
Warriors promos were perfect for his character. It's like the people bwhonwere adults at the time just want to deny it and say it was all about 'vinces push', but no, the warrior gimmick was played perfectly for the kids of that era.
I agree with Jim and Brian. I became a wrestling fan during PEAK Ultimate Warrior 1991 so I absolutely give Jim Helwig the credit for having the charisma. The creativity and the dedication to perfecting that character,I think Jim is wrong to completely knock him in that respect.
BUT....
Watch a f*ckin Bret Hart or Ric Flair or Randy Savage match today and watch s Hulk Hogan/Ultimate Warrior match. Its NIGHT AND DAY! If Randy Savage was not in with either of them,Hogan and Warrior were both abysmal in terms a wrestling match. The credit for getting Warrior through matches goes to Savage,Hennig and Rick Rude. They MADE him.
Exactly. Watch a Bret, Savage, Flair match...I was a kid when Warrior came on the scene. I was getting into Harts vs Bulldogs...that was awesome. Steamboat and Savage were awesome...Hogan's first title run from 84 to 88 was exciting. Warrior just irritated me.
Warrior's peak wasn't exactly 91. It was probably 89/90.
i can look back and see myself as a kid running in circles around the couch jumping up and down spazzing out over Warrior and I can now look back in retrospect and see exactly what we're talking about here which is "god he was aweful" but wasn't it awesome being a wrestling fan as a kid when you didn't know any better?
Warrior wasn't as bad as everyone is trying to sell now, if he was he never would have made it. The marks even then weren't completely stupid. All of this is cancel culture. The concerted burial of Ultimate Warrior in this day and age all rides on the coattails of his politics... which I am immune to because I happen to agree with him.
@@XH1927 which is all anyone needs to know to ignore whatever you say
As a kid I definitely got caught up in the hype and loved him but go back and watch him now and you’ll feel completely different. It’s like going back and watching a movie you loved as a kid and realising it was aimed at you specifically when you were that age.
I remember Ultimate Warrior was a huge Mets fan, so it wouldn't surprise me if Brian Last liked him
Honky tonk mans I-C championship reign deserved more respect than that squash. Sad.
I'd disagree. It wasn't disrespectful at all, it was exactly what it needed to be. TBH the WM6 main event should have gone the exact same way, people would have lost their damn minds.
Honky getting squashed at SS88 was punishment for him not wanting to put Savage over for the IC Title in late 87-early 88 as Vince wanted. Vince NEVER forgets.
It was karma, honky was a great heel but he never should have held the IC title as long as he did.
I thought I'd get a good lot of opinions. All good points. I couldn't help myself being a fan though the gimmick was great such an entertaining guy. Great worker either way honky tonk. Was a big fan as a kid not a big warrior fan but gotta respect the success.
I just would've really enjoyed honky being brought along a little more. I thought he'd he could have been a little bigger role was a great heel
they mentioned more stuff than I thought they would, even though they missed out all of the WCW stuff
I say Dark Side of the Ring will cover that
@Tiger yea I seen the trailer for it where his first wife was in tears saying Jim Helwig was gone and nothing left but the Ultimate Warrior
Oh yeah there was no mention of hogan warrior at Halloween havoc
They don't want to acknowledge a lot of WCW, the Randy Savage one only seemed to show WCW as a way to work in Gorgeous George. It's revisionist history there
I still say Savage and Warrior's match at WM7 was fantastic. It was 100% all Savage, but still. He pulled great storytelling out of the man.
Yep I remember that match...
Us kids all
Loved warrior BECAUSE of his promos, because he seemed like a pure beast, his intense ring entrance with that music and we loved the fact that warrior kicker ass so fast when he hit the ring. It was just a different time.
Warriors entrance, look, and intensity were ELECTRIC.
Warrior was the original RyBack
Ryback could do more than 3 things in the ring, though
@@philleclerc4283 Ryback's promos were as BAD as Hellwig's.
And you were the original broke back
@@DaWrestlingKnowledge & what do you mean by that?Sorry if it hurts your feelings that your childhood hero Warrior was a scumbag & an asshole.
Dana Warrior didn't need to be on the creative team. I will give her some credit though, she stood by her man, and has done about as much as possible to rehab his image. I can't speak to who she is as a person, all I can say is she's loyal.
She’s being paid to do so in exchange for pimping his image/likeness to WWE
@@TheeCoachg Never said she didn't know where her bread was buttered, just that she has gone above and beyond to defend her late husband and try to rehab his image.
Most guys would be lucky to have a wife like that. Smart, loyal, devoted to her husband and children. Eloquent too.
I'm sorry, but why was UW's slam of Andre the worst? I see it as the BEST. Most controlled, best turn/inversion, etc. It looked like he was being extra careful with him to me.
I'm with you. Hogan picks him up then drops him. Warrior actually did a legit slam . From A to Z.
@@Robocoppat agreed
Extreme body building goes hand in hand with body dysmorphia.
Yup, severe mental illness
With the way his mother kept calling him skinny it's no wonder.
Hogan nabbing Earthquake in 1990 pretty much ensured that warrior's title reign would be a bit of a dud.
He did have some great matches, yeah these were normally orchestrated by the heel he was facing (Rick rude and macho man to name a few) but yeah he should really have listened to peers in order to make a proper career and the benefit a loss can give your character.
Michael Coyne He did lose you ignoramus
@@christiansoldier77 rarely a clean pinfall though, was worried how it made tha character look weak.
@@christiansoldier77 BTW.... I was a HUGE warrior fan. I still am truth be told but he did get wrapped up in the whole gimmick. He would have had a far longer run as wwf champ had he been willing to try and expand his repertoire. He would also have had a longer in ring career had he bought into the ethos of the wrestling world as a whole and not just how it reflected on him or his gimmick.
@@michaelcoyne6335 Babyfaces never have clean loses Look at Hogan and Austin
@@michaelcoyne6335 He did have a long run . he held the belt for almost a year. He did not have a long career because of his fights with Vince.
LOL PHIL HICKERSON
It became uncomfortably obvious that they were having trouble finding people that actually knew him in the business that had anything nice to say about him
A bunch of drug addicted, alcoholic, women abusing, adulterous man children had nothing nice to say about a guy who surpassed then quickly and didn't want to hang out with them?
Remember the #WarriorAward so they have to paint him that way 💀
"...except selling tickets."
Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much all there is. Why would anyone get into the wrestling business and NOT think being successful is the most important thing you could do? Who cares if the smart marks didn't like him? lol
Bryran Alvarez is one of the biggest smarks of all and even he admits he was a Warrior fan when he was young.
@Julio Torres Yes, he was successful, although it's hard for some people to cope emotionally with the fact that he sold tickets and they didn't.
I noticed that statement too.
He didn't sell tickets from 92 on. So yeah, a four year run as a real star
@@Chaz4543 Meltzer is the one who said Warrior vs Hogan wasn't a draw
All Cornette said was he didn't like the match
Cornette isn't a "in ring work" Mark he's a character/technique mark ... botching is a big flaw ... sin Cara is beloved by Meltzer and Alvarez smarks and he constantly botched and injured himself and others but he's a Lucha so Meltzer smarks pop for him
i still to this day dont understand the hate towards warrior. Ive rewatched loads of ol school shows from that period. He made perfect sense in his own WARRIOR land universe kind of way and the kids loved him. He was epic. The fans SCREAMED the house down when he ran out. I dont understand the hate to be honest.
I think its just because he wasn't a good guy to work with and the hate in industry spread outwards. He also definitely wasn't the most technical wrestler for sure, but he definitely had the hype and the look
@@vangoghsseveredear He wasn't even a bad wrestler...
The thing with Warrior in his original WWF run is he was able to be carried to a good match. His WM6 match with Hogan is amazing when you consider the limitations of both guys, and Warrior has a underrated gem on SNME against Ted DiBiase during his championship run... when he made his return in '96, all bets were off.
also had good matches with Savage and Rude
@@timburr4453a broomstick could’ve had a five star match with Savage
@@brody10123that would be Savage's first 5 star match
Jim Cornette hates Scorpio for speaking ill of the dead. Jim Cornette proceeds to speak ill of the dead. Seems like most people resent the Warrior for abusing the wrestling business rather than being abused by it.
Or they hate his racism and homophobia
@Iron L it aint a lie 🤷♂️
@@OneUponADime Warrior nwever said anything racist. And COrnette is the racist pot calling the kettle black.
@@chriskay1449 hahahaha holy shit you have your head buried in the sand then. Its very easy to find.
@@OneUponADime stupid thing to hate him for
The first time I viewed Warrior in a negative light was when he made those comments against Bobby Heenan, absolutely fucking disgusting
His entrance music was great, one of the best imo.
I loved the warrior, but I was also 9yrs old and still thought it was all real.
The best Warrior match he ever had was against Rick Rude in a cage, of which Rude carried that match and made Warrior look decent
That match also had a lot of humor to it.
Loads of them were on steroids in the eighties, it's not like Hellwig was unique in that sense.
Precisely
I watched it yesterday, And I didn't get that Inspirational thing Cornette said they made him out to be. I saw it as a guy who made mistakes anybody would when put in that position as the very top guy in the whole wrestling business. He tooted his own horn a bit too loud, but who hasn't. He wasn't a big fan of the wrestling business in the first place, so what did you think you would get with him?
That's exactly what I got from this
SupaNatural28 Corny is an idiot. He wants the Warrior to be trashed as a no talent wonder who only got pushed because Vince liked him. Obviously anyone who looks a this objectively understands warrior was a bug star and the fans loved him for his charisma, originality and comic book super hero look . He wasn't great in the ring but he became decent after awhile but Corny just wants him to be trashed just because he didnt get along with him. He has no objectivity .
@@christiansoldier77 its not just Cornette though. Bobby Heenan (in multiple interviews), Cornette, Bruce Prichard, and multiple others had said the same thing. Yes he was a big star, but as they all said Warrior became his character and though he was a bigger star than Hulk Hogan instead of being the next superstar.
@@SupaNatural28 Most of the people who dont like warrior are not good guys anyway so I hold what they say with a grain of salt. Lots of guys had who are good guys themselves liked the warrior
@@christiansoldier77 nah bro when you hold up the man who put you at the top (Vince Mcmahon) for 500K thru marketing, changing your name from Dingo to Ultimate put the title on you after a year and you hold him up for 500K. Plus he lied when he skipped events saying he left because his pops died, when he told McMahon he hated his pops and haven't seen him for 10 years. Nah bro even I do think Cornette exaggerates alot especially in this case, but Warrior deserves blame too for alot of the stuff that happen to him.
I loved the Warriors promo cuz they were different and had a type of fantasy feel to it, but I was young and it could only last so long in the long run.
Listen, nothing against the guy because he somewhat made me a wrestling fan once upon a time but I just dont think there’s as much depth and story here as ppl want it to be. They streeeetched this 2hrs as much as they could. He was an over achieving Body Builder who turned to wrestling out of necessity and made the best of it for 2yrs. Great character for late 80s/early 90s wrestling but all these documentaries are a reach imo. I hate saying that because I LOVED the Ultimate Warrior as a kid but I just dont care to know Jim Helwig/Warrior any further because he’s just...ugh. Same has happened with Hulk Hogan for me,I hate even hearing him talk now because he’s such bullsh*t artist.
There was plenty of "depth" to this episode. In fact, it would probably be the most interesting one to a non-wrestling fan.
Not going to make it in Desturcity with that attitude.
They actually left out a lot. No stretch needed. They had to cut out a lot of his story to talk about the controversies
How about don't watch them?
Fail blog. Not everyone needs to talk.
Isn’t that a failure of the NWA talent that despite being better at wrestling they couldn’t get over anywhere near the degree of Ultimate Warrior
Pssssh they drew 9000 people at the Charlotte civic center headlining with the midnights vs the rock n roll. When did the warrior ever do that....
@@andresabucco475 Wrestlemania.
I think it says more about the general public than the talent the nwa had
Love Jim, but hearing that he's never seen a Warrior match over the years and knowing how much he hates his work is strange, how if you've never seen a match?
I think he just said he hadn't seen the WM 6 match. But I think he was pretty familiar with his earlier work.
I don't think he's ever seen the Ultimate Warrior in a LIVE match but I am sure he has seen footage or tapes of a few of the Warrior's matches.
anyone else really annoyed by Rosenberg and sideshow Bob on these? they bring this series down so much when you see legit names and these nobodies.
They defend WWE religiously
Who?
Meltzer and that Shoemaker guy aren’t much better.
It's just as pathetic seeing these lame wannabe wrestlers today in these docs
Yeah and I have nothing against Rosenberg but like Meltzer...he’s JUST a fan. And thats not to minimize fans,obviously im one but what is another fan’s opinion really mean? Thats why I always say,Bruce may lie but at least he was there to make the truth somewhat entertaining if it wasnt...these are ppl who read magazines & watched tv like me. It hurts their credibility but wwe probably doesnt care about that.
I was waiting for this lol curious to see how dark side told ultimate warriors story
It has Jim Cornette, how do you think it’s going to play out lol. It’s going to be an updated “Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior”
Warrior was crazy over in the WWF. He may not have been the best in ring worker, but some of the hugest pops ever in the WWF was from the Warrior! You don't see wrestlers today getting the pops Warrior could get. I know Jim Cornet thinks the Rock and Roll Express where the greatest, but they could never get a pop like Warrior could get.
How many of those pops came from after the bell rang?
Warrior was not supposed to be scientific. He was a warrior, warrior's bash and smash, not have 1000 holds lol
@@breal1183Said nobody with functioning brain cells
@@breal1183what about then next year when it became passe?
The Dingo Warrior from New York lol.
Reminds me of of a local promotion in my area. There was a guy that they billed as being from Los Angeles but his entrance music was "Back in the New York groove".