So many instances this could have been prevented, viewers didnt care, no proper support system, handing out two shotguns to a person without any checks, literally easier for them to get a gun than seek out therapy
That's exactly what I thought when I first watched this documentary. This, and many other tragic events, could have been so easily avoided. It's so sad.
Yea it felt like a huge cry for help throughout too bc as he kept saying he was surprised that no one had ever noticed the warning signs, I think they did want help subconsciously but unfortunately no one ever noticed and it ended with innocent lives being taken.
it's obvious af he was doing this because he wanted attention, which it seems he was definetly missing in his life. Which is probably why nobody noticed the obvious signs, because nobody paid attention to him or even care enough about him to notice what he was doing. Sad but also f him for what he did.
If you’re a closet transgender surrounded by people with southern or unprogressive values, it was prob easier for them to go buy a shotgun than it was to risk being caught buying eyeliner lol
TBH that shit is sad. The guy was basically BEGGING for someone to notice and stop him. Flashing neon fucking warning signs. Remember folks, if you pop a person out of your kid shitter, make sure they have a proper support system, which is, preferrably, you. For their mental and physical health, throughout their entire lives.
@@kimmmimemwest1895 Not all grown people are mentally capable of normal behavior if they aren't raised right or end up with a disability. Saying that shows a lot of ignorance when it comes to mental health. Try saying that the next time someone's adult family member kills themselves. Or the next time you see a disabled person struggling. Like someone with Autism. He is still somewhat at fault of course, but there were a lot of people who saw this behavior? And probably could have done something. It's a classic lesson on being aware of people around you, having empathy and noticing the warning signs so you could possibly warn the police and stop a tragedy. I suggest going to the search bar and finding the "American school shooting PSA" because it teaches the same lesson. See something, say something. Practice empathy, protect everyone.
Also remember, that it could have gone the opposite way with this guy. Any person going through the same shit could decide to kill themselves. He chose to hurt others. And that's still fucked up and wrong of him, and if he had lived? Rightfully, he would go to prison. Absolutely. And would deserve to go to prison. But that still doesn't make him the only one at fault here.
@@austinjackson2574 He was capable of knowing he had a problem and knowing he needed help ... And planning out this attack .. so he had enough mind capacity to get help ... He just was a bad seed .. even people with mental issues have to take accountability for they actions.
The gender identity issues were definately not the sole reason that caused this. He clearly suffered from some type of BPD, Psychosis, or unspecified schitzopherenia. Support systems are SO important.
@@dev_8625 Because writing his massacre off as a thing that people with different gender identities is a way to ignore the more important parts of the case, like the ability to buy shotguns without a background or psych check. Because it's easy to sweep this under the rug if we dehumanize him as another Norman Bates or Kevin Crumb.
@@dev_8625 i think you're the one that needs help, bud. this person was a victim of some sort of trauma, they didn't just kill people for no reason. it is extremely important to find that reason because it allows us to prevent this from happening in the future. treating murderers like they aren't human and just kill for no reason doesn't help anyone.
God. This kid was very clearly broken, but no one around him seemed to notice or care. He repeated over and over how he was shocked that no one spotted his odd behavior, saw his interest in guns, the obsession with Columbine. He seemed angry that his mother didn't spot the shirt he was wearing like one of the shooters at the school. I don't think he wanted to be stopped, but I think he really wanted someone to give him the attention he felt he deserved.
He was a murderer that this comment section is showing so much sadness for because he's saying how he's trans and shit 😹😹😹 i guarantee if this instead was a right wing kid who had issues on the right wing side everyone here would call him a crazy murderer
@@slinger7529 Are you sociopath or are you so lost in your ideological games that you cannot understand that people have empathy for someone with a mental illness? And go away with your "huhur hypocrites" nonsense. Hypocriscy arguments are the dumbest because they are cheap and take no mental effort or thought.
There's nothing wrong with southern states or being from them lol, I don't get this weird prejudice this community has against them. (Pennsylvania isn't even a southern state lol, it just has rural areas and more culturally rural people)
@@castillogrande8926 seems like my first reply to you got deleted or isn't showing up, which Is funny lol, I'll rephrase because I think it's kinda an important message, I get that jab at Pennsylvania is true, but I don't think there's anything wrong with more rural area/culture, I used too, but then I moved out of LA to a rural area and am overall happier and feel like people are just nicer lol, imo reject urban centers, embrace rural communities.
Pretty sure he faked it lmao 😭 he worshiped eric and klebold and his last video was a tribute to them,(columbine shooters) and he shot himself the same way as Eric, shooting his palate (mouth roof) to insta die, he said in one video he was scared of death so maybe he was referring to slow death
What also crazy is that the coin flip thing is directly copying No Country For Old Men and he literally had the Anton Chigur cut in that video particularly when it changed every time 😂😂 the second I post this I start the video again and he says exactly that my bad
This happened in my hometown, at the supermarket I shop at. The place was closed for more than a month. It might have been 3 months, but not sure. They had to throw out every single product in the store and renovate the whole place. You can still tell where the shootings happened by where they put in new ceiling tile.
I just wanna say, as a transgender woman who watches both xqc and hasan, the response from chat regarding transgender topics is so wholeheartedly juxtaposed. Seeing chats response here was comforting, glad to know good human-beings still exist on twitch
Unfortunately that’s the reality in America ,and we hafto be aware. Promote universal health care for people can get mental health professionals to help those in need.
I worked at a supermarket for 4 years and hearing him describe what he was gonna do to the people there made me so nauseous, nightmare come to life right there
Man when I was masc presenting, I wasnt this bad off, but gender dysphoria can really cause a lot of issues that I can see in this person. The anger and sorrow that come from feeling like you're in the wrong body are powerful things. I remember having a lot of dark thoughts in school becauss I had no support when I tried to talk about my gender issues. I was just mocked and abused for it. I didnt even know you COULD be trans until my last year of highschool in 2014.
being trans doesn't make ppl have murderous thoughts. This person was a weirdo that murdered multiple innocent ppl, if u had similar thoughts then ur a complete weirdo too
@@PS-yz9nf I think their point was that the ruthless bullying and social ostracizing is what caused the dark thoughts and resentment. Having those thoughts is a normal and very human reaction, it's why support networks and reaching out to people is important.
I found the chats take on Randy identifying with Ember really disheartening. The need to resonate and identify with Ember was most likely gender affirming to Randy and was the best way they saw fit to feel/look how they wanted to and escape from their own gender dysphoria when contemplating their own body. Proper therapy may have allowed Randy to step away from the Ember persona and embrace their own transition. It feels like if they grew up 10 years later they would have had more resources or people available with some sense to get Randy the help they needed. This is just a tragedy where a kid didn't get the therapy they needed and instead were handed guns. Terrible.
This resonates because here in America we're taught that mental health is basically a myth, troubled teens are encouraged to join the military, or become cops, and if you can't or don't wanna do that you end up like this guy.
So basically what I'm getting is; someone with preexisting mental illnesses watched a cartoon as a child, hyperfixated on a character they had gender envy of -(relatable)- , their mental illnesses worsened but they had no treatment, and eventually they started hyperfixating on darker and darker things until they lost sight of reality completely and snapped. Am I getting that right?
o god remember knowing a friend of a friend, and like they were always made fun of... anyways i hung out with a couple people and they needed a ride home. i still remember the drive before we got to the first bump, he told me he was thinking about shooting people at school - my blood went cold, i talked with him and we hung out a little, grabbed a bite. then i dropped him off. a decade later, hes married with a kid, pretty happy, and vastly more popular than i am - all around doing very well. my blood ran cold that day tho, i still remember the afternoon vividly
looking back as an adult, i should have told someone immediately. i tried to talk to them at school and everything, so they felt they had someone... BUT im lucky they didnt do anything, and they are fine. tell someone IMMEDIATELY if this happens
Then again, it was most likely your companionship that kept him from spiralling further. Nobody should have to be in your position, but you seriously might've saved many lives. (Not trying to undermine the point about alerting others, it should be done 100% either way)
@@ravenecho2410 I know that, technically, this is absolutely what someone should do, but I just want you to know that the system in place to deal with this stuff is absolutely fucked up. My cousin was ruthlessly bullied during high school, mainly because he could be an emotional kid. It was easy to make him upset. One day, they basically goaded him into sarcastically admitting that he wanted to blow up the school. Either one of the boys, or some concerned person who overheard without any context, went to the school and told them what happened. He was informed that, right off the bat, he was going to be ARRESTED. He was going to be sent to juvie and was facing a felony trial for being goaded into saying something by kids that used to terrorize him at school. Thankfully, they got in contact with a lawyer who helped him avoid being detained and the truth came out fairly quickly when all was said and done. He had to go to court-appointed therapy that focused on his non-existent desire to hurt people, rather than, y'know, the vicious bullying. And the bullies? They got NOTHING. Nothing at all, except some "shame on you-ing" from the judge who sorta gleaned the situation, but couldn't be proven due to being hearsay. Which is ironic, considering my cousin had to be taken to actual court over something a few people heard him say. It was an absolute nightmare for him, and I would have wished for nothing more than whoever overheard their conversation, if it was just a concerned bystander, would have talked to him and reached out a hand as you did instead of telling the school. It's a tricky situation, because it's hard to know whether or not someone could be dangerous or if talking to them is enough, but I just wanted to point out another system that treats people who could be crying for help as criminals, and I'm sure that the compassion you treated his confession with was at least a small help to changing his worldview.
I hate this type of narration voice. It reminds me of those cheesy Discovery Channel documentaries about ancient aliens or mermaids. Kind of made it hard to watch. Really downplays the seriousness of the subject.
@@Snarl_Marx it just throws me off because it reminds me of a movie narrator reading a script. So when he gives more commentary aside from the actual events it throws me for a loop
Because this is entertainment. These TH-camrs turned the suffering of a mentally ill man and the deaths of his victims into a consumable product that these leeches are now making a profit off of.
@@Itsdianamars Sometimes I miss Ohio. Bob Evans. Skyline Chili. The annual Strawberry Festival in Troy. But the other 99.9% of my life, I’m so glad I’m not in that shithole anymore.
@@andrewwalker9960 yea... due to very personal reasons, im glad i met a friend and im moving to their state in like 8 or 9 months lol cant stand it here its too toxic.
obsessing over characters who cracked your egg as a trans person isn't that weird, i did that too, not to that extent obviously, and i didn't literally want to become them, but i still drew fanart and rewatched scenes with them for a while and shit. so i do think they were actually trans, but also like neurodivergent or had a mental illness. i think this completely could've been prevented. if you're trans and you're struggling, please seek out help from trans support groups and trans communities in general, we stick up for each other
Watching this is so sad and unsettling, yet also??? It’s hard to articulate it well but like Hasan kinda says he just seems like a troubled, weird kid, which is not that unusual. I wish he had gotten help. And yet there are many troubled, weird kids who don’t get help but don’t commit violent acts. I always wonder what the reason is.
Another thing is that he posted that shit and barricaded the doors while his co-workers were right there and easily could have noticed something was off I think? I don't know much about the case but that also seems like something idiotic to do if you don't want somebody to notice you're acting off?
The narrator is right to describe the Westborough High Massacre video as surreal. It's dreamlike in how it keeps switching between animated footage of his OCs shooting up a school and live action footage of him shooting guns in preparation for the shooting. The way it's proficiently edited with background music and cinematography on the posters and guns and stuff just adds to it, like something that shouldn't exist. It's disturbing in a unique way.
This poor soul did some horrible horrible things. Really need to set up good support groups and educate parents. Not just for trans people, but for everyone. The lack of national acknowledgement and attentiveness to young people's struggles in general will perpetuate these issues.
@@bigbawlzlebowski8886 Gender is complicated. While ghost girl isn't a gender, girl definitely is. I know plenty of closeted trans people who would explore their gender at first with oc characters. Human or not. Ever heard of picrew?
"No one noticed the demon lurking just below the surface." ... uhhhhh wait, no, he was uploading that shit to _TH-cam!_ It wasn't just below the surface.
okay but its saying something when his own parents dont notice any change or shift in behavior especially when he was clearly crying for help expecting them to notice and stop him before he did anything...
@@valkoki8829 okay no one. but a better parent would've figured "hmm maybe my kid has too many guns I'm allowing to him to give" "hmm... I havent spoken to my kid on an emotional level recently i should go check in on him." nobody expects their kid or friend to commit murder unless you pay attention to the very obvious signs
@@GameNerd346 i suppose but he was already 24, nearly 25, and idk man dude's an adult by then. a lot of muricans own guns and im sure his parents didnt think much of their adult son who seemed alright on the outside (kristin's statement about how they all liked randy and didnt see him as capable of doing such a deed). he complained about a columbine shirt which most people wouldn't get. Buuut i get what you mean. They couldve had a talk & done something about it. but imo its understandable why they didnt do much about it given his age/outward demeanor
this was absolutely not the parents’ fault. nobody expects their child to do such a heinous thing. all of these comments blaming the parents or suggesting that they’re liable for any of this are so horribly cruel
Tbh I hate the take that the parents should have noticed and stopped him. Why didn’t they openly ask their parents for help then? Crying out for help is not the same as asking for help, so why didn’t they try asking for help openly? In the end it‘s because they chose to not get help and instead chose to be a mass shooter, in the end, it was their responsibility still.
Ironic how this person thought they were leaving behind like a legacy or whatever but I listen to A LOT of true crime and this is the first time I've ever even heard of them
A lot of people with grandiose senses of self-importance who committed horrific acts are like that. They were most famous in their own minds. Charles Guiteau, perfect example.
If you wanna talk about irony lets talk about the shirt him and the columbine kid wore. I think there intention was to seem in control and have the power to take other peoples lives but in the end they didn't really plan on surviving so the shirt saying natural selection actually applies to them more then anyone else because they were the ones so flawed that they couldn't just live a normal life.
i have very little empathy for someone who knows what they're doing is wrong but makes the active decision to do it anyway because they feel scorned by society. obviously his support system failed him but it isn't as if he was mentally incapable of telling the difference between right and wrong. he wanted revenge, and to prove a point. nothing more than a kid throwing a tantrum in the most horrific way.
theres a difference between knowing something and actually understanding it. this person couldve told you everything that would result from their actions, but that recounting would be purely machinistic. no actual cognition would have occured. the psychological force needed to achieve that kind of dissociation isnt just some tantrum.
But that's the point of mental disabilities. You are literally incapable of processing reason. Things like BPD, psychosis, Bipolar, and Depression are classified as disabilities for this reason. It renders you mentally incompetent
18:20 it's because these people often feel like they have no control over their own life, so having control over someone else's gives them relief. It's twisted and sad.
As a transgender woman I am saddened that Randy never got the mental support they needed at a young age. This is proof that therapy is essential for youth in America. They could have been able to talk about their gender dysphoria, get the medication and support they needed in order to be more comfortable in their skin, and maybe death wouldn't have been on their mind so much. This doesn't change the fact they killed people, but I'm angry that nobody asked them if they were okay. I'm angry at the commenters in this video who uses "he" in response to Randy instead of "she" or "they." I'm using they just because it's the safest pronoun to use if you don't know which to say. They might be a monster, but we still have our own principles to follow. I hope that we can further advocate for better health care and mental health practices so less people have to suffer and die from mental illness. Also, it should never be this easy to get a gun anywhere.
It’s so wild to me, especially as a trans person that people think it’s okay to misgender trans people if they do bad things. I study criminology and psychology and sociology, and did a paper on Randy’s case and learning that she was trans and had dysphoria just hit me like a punch to the chest, also being from Pennsylvania I remember when the massacre she did was on the news back in 2017.
This case is so tragic and something that struck a cord with me. I'm not one to feel any sympathy for mass shooters, but I found out about him through ReignBot. It would've been so, so preventable, had anyone cared enough to notice the glaring red flags. It makes me feel so sad for the loss of life.
I don't think he has an inflated opinion of himself, just the opposite... He's resisting mediocrity, wishing for a Way to be famous. Infamous is just as good. ( Attention,pls)
I mean I craved attention too before I came out as trans. Lots of people with gender dysphoria crave it when they're cis presenting because we need some kind of validation to make the pain go away. I bet if they had more trans-positive support around them, this never would have happened.
I’ve watched a few reactions to this and every time Randy brings up the fact that they might be trans ppl in the chat r always transphobic I don’t think they realize that what they’re saying affects the trans community not this murderer whos dead
@@appleglassjuice11 It'poor writing moreso than he voice. They're using descriptions like 'when she tried to run, he heart sunk' which is not even factual. They don't know that and it's clearly just written in that way to make it more 'exciting' which just pretty gross. Even more clear when they speculate whether he 'locked eyes' with one of his co-workers or 'loomed around her' and say that it's both 'creepy'. Like who cares which is creepier at that point, people fucking died, get a grip and stop getting off on that shit.
I remember on another video about the subject I had said this was preventable had we not stigmatized getting help for mental health and if there wasn’t rampant transphobia and I got called a bad person for suggesting that. It’s weird to be attacked by someone helping you to prove your point
so like, does it irrationally annoy anyone else when hasan puts on a video, leaves for five minutes during the important parts and then when he comes back, starts talking about the three seconds he heard while walking back into his room for the next ten minutes with no prior context, or better yet, when he pauses right before something is explained to rant about it for ten minutes just for him to unpause and have to redact everything he just said? idk if he knows this, but at the very lest you have to be in the same room the video is playing in to be able to react to it.
Yeah i just started binging these after binging valkyrae’s reactions and the amount of times im like “really dude? people are here to watch your reaction and you’re not here for the super important parts?” Like ik in some reactions he’s watching on his phone but still… for baseline entertainment purposes it gets annoying
@@camizl3r230 right?? even if he wasn't doing a reaction video, who puts on a video and leaves without pausing it?? i get it'd be annoying for the viewers but he could easily just put on a random try not to laugh vid or something so that he doesn't miss the important parts.
THIS and racism is what scares me the most about America ... Im from the uk and knife crime scares me here but there is just something ... odd about how certain people in america act .... and its this video .. so many signs but everybody didnt think otherwise ? terrifies me
So many screams for help from them, but no one really cared. There are so many times this could have been prevented, but it just went unchecked. Like..I don’t ever excuse violence of any sort, it just seems like there was a lot leading up to it. If they had gotten any sort of help then I feel like they would have become a she and would have had a happy life. But instead, people ignored them and countless lives were needlessly taken.
hes openly documenting and admitting to planning these in advanced, how did no-one do anything, like these were consistently uploaded throughout the months right? and no one was able to tell what he had going on?
When randy started talking about how much he liked helping people through there day and stuff, at this moment I believe if he ( like hasan said about having a support circle) randy might have still been around and never ended up shooting the market
I feel bad for Randy tbh. In the video 6 days from it happening, them talking about all the warning signs that should have pushed his friends/family to help and he didnt is super depressing. They were craving for help, but neve got it, and felt it necessary to murder a bunch of people. 100% couldve been prevented.
@@Dell-ol6hb Though thinking about it more, they also hid the second gun, and youd think thatd be another sign theyd want someone else to notice. So it could be they're trying to use the idea of being mentally unstable and begging for help as a red herring for why they truly did what they did to garner sympathy, if that makes sense. We'll never know ig 🤷🏼♂️
Propane tanks are designed to be durable to punctures and to not spark that’s what causes the explosion. You’d have to be essentially firing with the propane gas in the chamber for it to blow.
Additionally, in the tank it’s liquid propane due to the pressure. Just bullet heat isn’t enough, because it doesn’t have enough oxygen around to combust initially. Like lighting a match inside a tub of oil. Best bet with shots only is to shoot for a leak, wait for enough propane to vaporize, then shoot a (metal) surface most likely to spark on impact inside the propane cloud. But you’re way more able to cause a boom if you wreck the tank, let it flow and then use traditional flames (carry a lighter).
I was infatuated with the Columbine High School shooting when I was in high school. I was battling severe depression and my parents where actively preventing me from seeking professional help. I stumbled upon a Columbine “documentary” (idk if it was an actual documentary) and started binge watching every single video about them. Listened to songs about them. Then I started planning on doing stuff bad stuff. I had even made a detailed plan on how to burn doen the school. I was 16 at the time. Thank god I had amazing friends who supported me through depression. And THANK THANK God that gun laws are very strict in my country. I know look back at those years in awe.
I remember a video from when the shooting first happened and it was a compilation of a bunch of 4chan people making fun of them and how they shot a shotgun and from what I gathered I figured they were trans but not out yet, but the video Hasan sees at the beginning wasn't even shown in it.
okay, I’m gonna say one thing about them that probably a lot of people won’t like: although they may have been dealing with many mental health issues and gender dysphoria and all that, but they documented EVERYTHING. They knew exactly what they wanted to do and they had a plan. That isn’t someone who we should feel sorry for. We shouldn’t feel sorry for them because they had mental health struggles when they killed three people in cold blood for their own prophecy they wanted to fulfill. If they seriously wanted to follow through and become a ghost girl, this sounds harsh but they could’ve simply just k*led themselves, but no. They took it as an opportunity to make a statement essentially and take the lives of three innocent people, and then they k*led themselves. They took the lives of three people that did not deserve the ending that they recieved, all for his big plan. While many people do struggle with mental health and gender dysphoria, I don’t feel sorry for the people that take the fucking lives of others in the process. Stop. Feeling. Sorry. For. Mass. Murderers. And to everyone saying it’s tragic: it is tragic for the VICTIMS. it’s tragic they didn’t get the help they needed, but Randy knew EXACTLY what they were doing. The moment someone takes another person’s life is the moment you stop feeling sorry for them, because they’re brought that on themselves. They didn’t have to kill those people, they didn’t have to make a spectacle of it, but they did.
We're gonna feel sorry for whoever the fuck we want feeling sorry for someone isn't wrong and patchy is exactly what is missing in this world that could have prevented spiraling like this
You can feel sorry for both the victims who weren't at fault, AND for someone who is at fault for a crime, you're not excusing the crime, just feeling sad that a troubled person ended up this way.
Ya know. I really hate to say it. But there were moments where randy was ranting and internally I was like “I felt that” lol not the mass murder part, but some of the complaints he had about home life and some of his problems. I was just like “shit man I get it, but fuckin read a book or try video games or something!”
This one didn't explain that he "killed" his whale and frog friends in a TH-cam video, tried to make it bloody and everything. Originally the whale and frog were the stars of his videos and his only friends til he saw Ember or whatever
I live in the south and I have never seen so many confederate flags than when I drove through rural New York. Shit was insane, so I 100% believe rural PA is the south
Channels like the one he’s watching were the reasons why I fell off of true crime. It’s like, okay dude, these are real, terrible things that happened to innocent people. Let’s chill the fuck out on the novelist language please.
Now imagine a world where this lonely and confused ghost girl had to go and buy those guns from some shady hardcore criminals instead of going to Walmart. But MUH GUNS.
Kinda still freaks me out how I work in the same franchise that they did. I remember like 2 months ago my manager talking about a different shooting at on of our locations and I thought they were talking about this so I then went on and kinda told the story on how messed up they were.
Imagine being this supermarket employees, you go to work day in and day out trying to do your best to make ends meet. And then one day, late at night when you're tired and just want to go home, you're finishing up the last bit of work and then the manager's shy, emo kid kills you.
Idk why but I can never truly feel bad for people like these I get that they had a rough life and mental health struggles but that’s never excuse y’know? So many people go through stuff like this without committing murder and we all have deep dark urges it’s up to the person whether they give into or not. I do wish that someone helped them so that those ppl wouldn’t die but like I have 0 sympathy for them. It always baffles me when ppl feel bad for ppl like them like I don’t feel shit and I only have sympathy for the victims.
What the documentary said about them(im using they/them since they are not around to tell us their pronouns) almost seeming disappointed their parents didn't pick up on the red flags makes me wonder if some part of them didn't want to do this and wanted to be talked out of it. There was a youtuber I used to watch who was trans and she had severe gender dysphoria and depression as a kid. She mentioned in a podcast how she was having suicidal thoughts (should probably note she didn't have thoughts of killing others just herself) and she would self harm in a way that left marks because a part of her wanted her parents to notice something was wrong. But another part of her didn't so she would cover up her injuries by wearing shirts. She kinda wanted her parents to know but also kinda didn't so she just subtly hinted that something was wrong.
Its almost like people dont talk to their kids or act like they care or are concerned about their kids and then get so surprised when the kid they never pay attention to does something to try to get attention.
Fr it's kinda mad. Even if I just wore that natural selection shirt, my mom would be like "oh I've not seen you wearing that before, where did you get it? What's that about?". Maybe it's because she was a single parent and she only had daughters so it was easier for us to relate to reach other on the surface at least, but idk it's crazy how little people communicate with their kids. I do know folks who grew up with similarly absent relationships with their parents though, it's quite sad.
Randy used he/him pronouns until he died, and it’s supposedly the pronouns he wanted to use “in life”, so I’m gonna use he/him, however, I can confirm the way he talks about his gender sounds a LOT like gender dysphoria. “I can be who I truly am in the next life”, “I’m a female soul stuck in this disgusting body”, “I hate my earthly body”, etc. That wasn’t the sole cause, and no one is saying it was; however, his hatred for himself and his body and his gender contributed to his cynicism contributed to his hatred of others, etc. etc.
well his dad kept bugging him about getting a job everytime they went out and one time he yelled at randy in public about it this enraged randy bc he was working at the store already part time and doing youtube on the side i watched all of his videos detailing his thoughts and emotions and he mainly expressed his hatred of working at the store and his dad so as weird as randy was i believe he tried his best in his own way and his lack of support and belief in him from his mother and father pushed him over the edge
This situation is so heartbreaking, not only because of the tragic deaths but also that it’s so clear that this person was so desperate for attention and people to notice them.
I was actually waiting for a gender discourse when it comes to Randy Stair. Most of the talk I saw on this person was that "Randy is a murderer therefor deserves to be misgengered" which is a complete 180 to the Chris Chan thing (I think every left tuber I saw referred to Chris with she/her) but when it comes to Randy Stair apparently it doesn't count anymore?
Holy shit dude. These people completely destroy people's lives because of their bullshit. People work so hard just to make their lives even slightly bearable and then these assholes just end it. It's so messed up. Spread love. Spread empathy. Work to make your life better. The moment you take that frustration out on others through violence you've already lost. I spent too much time trying to improve myself for some asshole to end it.
I took 150ml of Benadryl after a bad food allergy and thought I was gonna die.. had chills, sweating, and hives all over. 372ml is straight up killing him lol
... i also used a similar coping mechanism once upon a time. making up different characters to represent different emotions. it helped compartmentalise all my emotions. i was so caught up in grief and anger that i couldn’t process or even acknowledge. having them represented in something or someone out of my control was almost cathartic at times. during this time i was also counting down to the days i planned to commit suicide... not mentally sound whatsoever
I definitely think Randy took the Benadryl to calm his anxiety while going through with his plans. In high amounts Benadryl definitely acts like a sedative. Possible he was also hallucinating during the event
Watching a human catastrophe like this reminds me of myself and my own lows in life. Who knows what I would’ve been capable of if my brain developed differently. Maybe it’s this person literally _begging_ to be stopped or maybe it’s the fact their situation seemed salvageable, but people SHOULD feel at least a little sympathetic. More sympathetic to the victims, of course. It would be outright disrespectful to twist the cause of a tragedy into something positive. But here’s the deal: people have this idea that killers are fully in control of themselves and that killing is an intrinsic part of their character, their very soul. In reality, killers _lack_ something to a detriment - the thought processes by which all we know (instinctively and/or logically) that killing others is a bad idea. Maybe they viewed people as objects all their lives due to unfortunate brain chemistry. Maybe their soul is a desert where they’re completely alone, without empathy despite an empathetic society staring them in the face. Or maybe they decided in the moment that killing was somehow worth it. Who knows how people reach stupid conclusions? And here’s why this reality disturbs us. We _want_ an “evil,” twisted, inhuman character to fight against. It’s the problem being complex which scares us, because solving it would be more daunting than simply executing/shitting on an unsalvageable, undesirable human trash bag. People don’t want to realize that holding 1 person accountable for murder being a process that occurs naturally within our society is completely unreasonable. Because it would mean your life isn’t entirely in your control. Because it would mean that _you’re_ partially responsible for countless sins you did not commit and that you must carry their weight on your shoulders. Anyone can become a trash bag. There’s potential for you to be a walking disaster within you. And that’s ok. We’ll figure it out with enough time on this earth
So many instances this could have been prevented, viewers didnt care, no proper support system, handing out two shotguns to a person without any checks, literally easier for them to get a gun than seek out therapy
That's exactly what I thought when I first watched this documentary. This, and many other tragic events, could have been so easily avoided. It's so sad.
Yea it felt like a huge cry for help throughout too bc as he kept saying he was surprised that no one had ever noticed the warning signs, I think they did want help subconsciously but unfortunately no one ever noticed and it ended with innocent lives being taken.
DAS AMERICA BABY YEEEEHAWWW
parents didnt care either
@@bbqseitan7106 God bless murica fellow patriot, best 3rd world first world country there is!
They didn’t display red flags, it was a massive red flashing bat signal.
They were literally screaming for help. I feel like even the slightest acknowledgment could have stopped them but everyone ignored it.
it's obvious af he was doing this because he wanted attention, which it seems he was definetly missing in his life. Which is probably why nobody noticed the obvious signs, because nobody paid attention to him or even care enough about him to notice what he was doing. Sad but also f him for what he did.
Red flashing batshit signal.
I don't get it man. we live in a surveillance state man WTF is the point of all that if they cant even stop something this obvious!!!
@@alana4847 u should’ve stopped him
"I've got all the pieces, now I just need to get some eyeliner" how come it's easier to get shotguns than eyeliner lmao
If you’re a closet transgender surrounded by people with southern or unprogressive values, it was prob easier for them to go buy a shotgun than it was to risk being caught buying eyeliner lol
@@HasturSejanus facts
@@HasturSejanus yeah. Way less stigma around buying guns than buying makeup if you are male presenting etc
The south
@@HasturSejanus true 😔
"Randy was obsessed with two things that normally dont go together... danny phantom-" oh hey thats not so bad i love danny ph "-and columbine" 👁👄👁
Not so bad even though the creator is trash
Lol
*oh shit intensifies* holup
Vine boom sound effect
bro i got WHIPLASH
Most normal Onision watcher
Damn chatter said it before me
@@KKERMlT das Kapp no fax only printer fam
When he said that I was like. "Of course!"
Onison enjoyer
Can verify and I used to watch
TBH that shit is sad. The guy was basically BEGGING for someone to notice and stop him. Flashing neon fucking warning signs. Remember folks, if you pop a person out of your kid shitter, make sure they have a proper support system, which is, preferrably, you. For their mental and physical health, throughout their entire lives.
He genuinely did, multiple times. What a sad situation. RIP to the victims.
Nope ... He's grown he's responsible for himself.
@@kimmmimemwest1895 Not all grown people are mentally capable of normal behavior if they aren't raised right or end up with a disability. Saying that shows a lot of ignorance when it comes to mental health.
Try saying that the next time someone's adult family member kills themselves.
Or the next time you see a disabled person struggling. Like someone with Autism.
He is still somewhat at fault of course, but there were a lot of people who saw this behavior? And probably could have done something.
It's a classic lesson on being aware of people around you, having empathy and noticing the warning signs so you could possibly warn the police and stop a tragedy.
I suggest going to the search bar and finding the "American school shooting PSA" because it teaches the same lesson.
See something, say something. Practice empathy, protect everyone.
Also remember, that it could have gone the opposite way with this guy. Any person going through the same shit could decide to kill themselves.
He chose to hurt others. And that's still fucked up and wrong of him, and if he had lived? Rightfully, he would go to prison. Absolutely.
And would deserve to go to prison.
But that still doesn't make him the only one at fault here.
@@austinjackson2574 He was capable of knowing he had a problem and knowing he needed help ... And planning out this attack .. so he had enough mind capacity to get help ... He just was a bad seed .. even people with mental issues have to take accountability for they actions.
The gender identity issues were definately not the sole reason that caused this. He clearly suffered from some type of BPD, Psychosis, or unspecified schitzopherenia. Support systems are SO important.
Why the fuck do you even care about his gender he murdered innocent people and made 3 whole families sad as shit, jeez dude you need help.
They just point out that there must be other factors to why he did it calm down mister
@@dev_8625 because if we neglect to understand why he did it, then we cant stop it from happening again.
@@dev_8625 Because writing his massacre off as a thing that people with different gender identities is a way to ignore the more important parts of the case, like the ability to buy shotguns without a background or psych check. Because it's easy to sweep this under the rug if we dehumanize him as another Norman Bates or Kevin Crumb.
@@dev_8625 i think you're the one that needs help, bud. this person was a victim of some sort of trauma, they didn't just kill people for no reason. it is extremely important to find that reason because it allows us to prevent this from happening in the future. treating murderers like they aren't human and just kill for no reason doesn't help anyone.
I watched this a long time ago. Im glad people are watching this, it sheds light on how bad upbringing can facilitate and breed toxicity
His upbringing was normal tho
“South” really is a culture at this point, not a geography. You’ll see Ohio SO many confederate flags, and it borders Canada.
culture/mindset/religion maybe? 100% tho
i’m not even american and saw a pennsylvanian with a confederate flag in their room and was so confused lmao
All the Ohioans who come to Florida wave Confederate flags like Ohio wasn't a Union State
As an Ohioan, yeah there’s a disgusting amount of confederate flags here. It’s crazy.
Saw a confederate flag in the upper peninsula Michigan once
God. This kid was very clearly broken, but no one around him seemed to notice or care. He repeated over and over how he was shocked that no one spotted his odd behavior, saw his interest in guns, the obsession with Columbine. He seemed angry that his mother didn't spot the shirt he was wearing like one of the shooters at the school. I don't think he wanted to be stopped, but I think he really wanted someone to give him the attention he felt he deserved.
Yea, it definitely comes off as him making a desperate cry for help that no one noticed.
Maybe it was a cry for help at some poing but he just fell deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole until he was consumed by it and it was too late.
He was a murderer that this comment section is showing so much sadness for because he's saying how he's trans and shit 😹😹😹 i guarantee if this instead was a right wing kid who had issues on the right wing side everyone here would call him a crazy murderer
@@slinger7529 Are you sociopath or are you so lost in your ideological games that you cannot understand that people have empathy for someone with a mental illness?
And go away with your "huhur hypocrites" nonsense. Hypocriscy arguments are the dumbest because they are cheap and take no mental effort or thought.
@@slinger7529 it’s clear you are missing every point the comments are making, you’re focusing on the wrong thing.
The fact that a murder was like "Onision kinda cringe bro" says a lot about Onision
As someone from Pennsyltucky I loved hearing Hasan go off about it. He’s spot on lmao
Oh my god he actually said that lolololol
There's nothing wrong with southern states or being from them lol, I don't get this weird prejudice this community has against them. (Pennsylvania isn't even a southern state lol, it just has rural areas and more culturally rural people)
@@thekamotodragon hey, as someone who lives in Carbon County Pennsylvania... Hasan is right. Pennsyltucky is spot on.
@@castillogrande8926 seems like my first reply to you got deleted or isn't showing up, which Is funny lol, I'll rephrase because I think it's kinda an important message, I get that jab at Pennsylvania is true, but I don't think there's anything wrong with more rural area/culture, I used too, but then I moved out of LA to a rural area and am overall happier and feel like people are just nicer lol, imo reject urban centers, embrace rural communities.
At least Pennsyltucky has a cutie like you :D
That girl that survived must’ve needed so much fucking therapy. I’d probably never leave my room ever again if something like that happened to me.
Some pure DMT could heal her
Well luckily America took action on gun control so issues like this have become far less common.
Right?
Dude when he was flipping that coin I got actually anxious... This shit is wild...
Pretty sure he faked it lmao 😭 he worshiped eric and klebold and his last video was a tribute to them,(columbine shooters) and he shot himself the same way as Eric, shooting his palate (mouth roof) to insta die, he said in one video he was scared of death so maybe he was referring to slow death
What also crazy is that the coin flip thing is directly copying No Country For Old Men and he literally had the Anton Chigur cut in that video particularly when it changed every time
😂😂 the second I post this I start the video again and he says exactly that my bad
This happened in my hometown, at the supermarket I shop at. The place was closed for more than a month. It might have been 3 months, but not sure. They had to throw out every single product in the store and renovate the whole place. You can still tell where the shootings happened by where they put in new ceiling tile.
I just wanna say, as a transgender woman who watches both xqc and hasan, the response from chat regarding transgender topics is so wholeheartedly juxtaposed. Seeing chats response here was comforting, glad to know good human-beings still exist on twitch
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@@FartquadGI 🤡
Lmfao
@@FartquadGI awe you bitter?
@@FartquadGI cry
The narrator is giving me chills in the most disgusting way. This way not an easy watch
Unfortunately that’s the reality in America ,and we hafto be aware. Promote universal health care for people can get mental health professionals to help those in need.
You’re disgusted by an AI generated narrator?
@@houston1342 it’s just weird delivery doesn’t fit the topic
@@houston1342 it’s not ?
@@AlexisZev someone said JCS was an AI generated narrator too smfh
I worked at a supermarket for 4 years and hearing him describe what he was gonna do to the people there made me so nauseous, nightmare come to life right there
Man when I was masc presenting, I wasnt this bad off, but gender dysphoria can really cause a lot of issues that I can see in this person. The anger and sorrow that come from feeling like you're in the wrong body are powerful things. I remember having a lot of dark thoughts in school becauss I had no support when I tried to talk about my gender issues. I was just mocked and abused for it. I didnt even know you COULD be trans until my last year of highschool in 2014.
being trans doesn't make ppl have murderous thoughts. This person was a weirdo that murdered multiple innocent ppl, if u had similar thoughts then ur a complete weirdo too
@@PS-yz9nf and thats why people never tell anyone about those thoughts lol
you can't see murderers as not complete demons from hell or something
@@PS-yz9nf I think their point was that the ruthless bullying and social ostracizing is what caused the dark thoughts and resentment. Having those thoughts is a normal and very human reaction, it's why support networks and reaching out to people is important.
Girl, your profile pic is a fictional character holding a weapon, please don't scare me like that
@@yandere8888 yeah I don’t like psychos that murder innocent ppl for a rush Lmfaoooo
I found the chats take on Randy identifying with Ember really disheartening. The need to resonate and identify with Ember was most likely gender affirming to Randy and was the best way they saw fit to feel/look how they wanted to and escape from their own gender dysphoria when contemplating their own body. Proper therapy may have allowed Randy to step away from the Ember persona and embrace their own transition. It feels like if they grew up 10 years later they would have had more resources or people available with some sense to get Randy the help they needed. This is just a tragedy where a kid didn't get the therapy they needed and instead were handed guns. Terrible.
This resonates because here in America we're taught that mental health is basically a myth, troubled teens are encouraged to join the military, or become cops, and if you can't or don't wanna do that you end up like this guy.
ikr! i had a character who made me realize i was trans too! it's not uncommon at all
2:58 The blur was to avoid copyright, there was a clip of Danny Phantom playing in the original video from Randy.
Yeah it’s from the first episode Ember was in you can make out which scenes they are if you look hard enough
So basically what I'm getting is; someone with preexisting mental illnesses watched a cartoon as a child, hyperfixated on a character they had gender envy of -(relatable)- , their mental illnesses worsened but they had no treatment, and eventually they started hyperfixating on darker and darker things until they lost sight of reality completely and snapped. Am I getting that right?
Pretty much
I mean, yeah, but I don’t think that really cracks it. What does each one of those steps even mean?
@@dstinnettmusic it's not steps dude I'm not writing a wikihow
o god remember knowing a friend of a friend, and like they were always made fun of... anyways i hung out with a couple people and they needed a ride home.
i still remember the drive before we got to the first bump, he told me he was thinking about shooting people at school - my blood went cold, i talked with him and we hung out a little, grabbed a bite. then i dropped him off.
a decade later, hes married with a kid, pretty happy, and vastly more popular than i am - all around doing very well.
my blood ran cold that day tho, i still remember the afternoon vividly
looking back as an adult, i should have told someone immediately. i tried to talk to them at school and everything, so they felt they had someone...
BUT im lucky they didnt do anything, and they are fine. tell someone IMMEDIATELY if this happens
Then again, it was most likely your companionship that kept him from spiralling further. Nobody should have to be in your position, but you seriously might've saved many lives. (Not trying to undermine the point about alerting others, it should be done 100% either way)
@@ravenecho2410 damn that's rly scary. glad nothing came of it, but ur right it's definitely better to tell someone. better safe than sorry smh 😒
Stttrta
@@ravenecho2410 I know that, technically, this is absolutely what someone should do, but I just want you to know that the system in place to deal with this stuff is absolutely fucked up.
My cousin was ruthlessly bullied during high school, mainly because he could be an emotional kid. It was easy to make him upset. One day, they basically goaded him into sarcastically admitting that he wanted to blow up the school. Either one of the boys, or some concerned person who overheard without any context, went to the school and told them what happened.
He was informed that, right off the bat, he was going to be ARRESTED. He was going to be sent to juvie and was facing a felony trial for being goaded into saying something by kids that used to terrorize him at school. Thankfully, they got in contact with a lawyer who helped him avoid being detained and the truth came out fairly quickly when all was said and done. He had to go to court-appointed therapy that focused on his non-existent desire to hurt people, rather than, y'know, the vicious bullying.
And the bullies? They got NOTHING. Nothing at all, except some "shame on you-ing" from the judge who sorta gleaned the situation, but couldn't be proven due to being hearsay. Which is ironic, considering my cousin had to be taken to actual court over something a few people heard him say.
It was an absolute nightmare for him, and I would have wished for nothing more than whoever overheard their conversation, if it was just a concerned bystander, would have talked to him and reached out a hand as you did instead of telling the school.
It's a tricky situation, because it's hard to know whether or not someone could be dangerous or if talking to them is enough, but I just wanted to point out another system that treats people who could be crying for help as criminals, and I'm sure that the compassion you treated his confession with was at least a small help to changing his worldview.
Why does the narrator sound so excited about this- it's getting weird
I hate this type of narration voice. It reminds me of those cheesy Discovery Channel documentaries about ancient aliens or mermaids. Kind of made it hard to watch. Really downplays the seriousness of the subject.
@@Snarl_Marx it just throws me off because it reminds me of a movie narrator reading a script. So when he gives more commentary aside from the actual events it throws me for a loop
Yea I agree
Because this is entertainment. These TH-camrs turned the suffering of a mentally ill man and the deaths of his victims into a consumable product that these leeches are now making a profit off of.
Yeah there are far better channels who also covered this case
I'm from pa and I can confirm we are a bunch of hicks, not as bad as Ohio tho
nope, ohio is worse lol. just on my way to school i see trump 2020 flags. ohio is awful.
@@Itsdianamars Sometimes I miss Ohio. Bob Evans. Skyline Chili. The annual Strawberry Festival in Troy.
But the other 99.9% of my life, I’m so glad I’m not in that shithole anymore.
@@andrewwalker9960 yea... due to very personal reasons, im glad i met a friend and im moving to their state in like 8 or 9 months lol cant stand it here its too toxic.
At least y’all have Pittsburgh & Philly, AL is true chudscape hell
YEEHAW?
obsessing over characters who cracked your egg as a trans person isn't that weird, i did that too, not to that extent obviously, and i didn't literally want to become them, but i still drew fanart and rewatched scenes with them for a while and shit. so i do think they were actually trans, but also like neurodivergent or had a mental illness. i think this completely could've been prevented. if you're trans and you're struggling, please seek out help from trans support groups and trans communities in general, we stick up for each other
Joseph?
Watching this is so sad and unsettling, yet also??? It’s hard to articulate it well but like Hasan kinda says he just seems like a troubled, weird kid, which is not that unusual. I wish he had gotten help. And yet there are many troubled, weird kids who don’t get help but don’t commit violent acts. I always wonder what the reason is.
@The Smoking Salmon yes I suppose a much higher than usual level of narcissism and lack of empathy is one way to think of it
And mental health issues which is different to everyone, some people are more prone to
I actually think someone should check in on that narrator, as he somehow managed to sound more worrying than Randy Stair!
how he litteretly just talked
@@joshuamostyn5377 but he sounds excited for some reason
How? He is doing a voice he was trained to do. It didn't sound weird.
@@dffgffffffdddddddddd No he didn't lmao, when?
@@dffgffffffdddddddddd he sounded like a robot to me
Like my man if hes gotta flip it three times its a red flag that he doesnt want to do it at all and hes begging someone to fucking stop him.
brutal desperation
dude kept saying he was surprised that no one picked up on the several warning signs, he straight up wanted someone to reach out and stop him
Another thing is that he posted that shit and barricaded the doors while his co-workers were right there and easily could have noticed something was off I think? I don't know much about the case but that also seems like something idiotic to do if you don't want somebody to notice you're acting off?
The narrator is right to describe the Westborough High Massacre video as surreal. It's dreamlike in how it keeps switching between animated footage of his OCs shooting up a school and live action footage of him shooting guns in preparation for the shooting. The way it's proficiently edited with background music and cinematography on the posters and guns and stuff just adds to it, like something that shouldn't exist. It's disturbing in a unique way.
This poor soul did some horrible horrible things. Really need to set up good support groups and educate parents. Not just for trans people, but for everyone. The lack of national acknowledgement and attentiveness to young people's struggles in general will perpetuate these issues.
He wasn't trans lol. Ghost girl isn't a gender
@@bigbawlzlebowski8886 did you watch the video? And yea, girl is a gender. Cartoon or not.
@@bigbawlzlebowski8886
Gender is complicated. While ghost girl isn't a gender, girl definitely is. I know plenty of closeted trans people who would explore their gender at first with oc characters. Human or not.
Ever heard of picrew?
@@bigbawlzlebowski8886 "Not just for trans people, but everyone"
@@OM-wl7qe Abuse and isolation
"No one noticed the demon lurking just below the surface." ... uhhhhh wait, no, he was uploading that shit to _TH-cam!_ It wasn't just below the surface.
That's what I'm saying!
Ok, but was he that known to the public? He even mentions his fanbase didn't even care.
seems like he mad nobody watches his lame videos...
People just never picked it up.
He showed clear signs of being damaged and in need of help, but no one noticed it.
No one cared.
okay but its saying something when his own parents dont notice any change or shift in behavior especially when he was clearly crying for help expecting them to notice and stop him before he did anything...
tbf what kind of parent expects their kid to commit a mass shooting
@@valkoki8829 okay no one. but a better parent would've figured "hmm maybe my kid has too many guns I'm allowing to him to give" "hmm... I havent spoken to my kid on an emotional level recently i should go check in on him."
nobody expects their kid or friend to commit murder unless you pay attention to the very obvious signs
@@GameNerd346 i suppose but he was already 24, nearly 25, and idk man dude's an adult by then. a lot of muricans own guns and im sure his parents didnt think much of their adult son who seemed alright on the outside (kristin's statement about how they all liked randy and didnt see him as capable of doing such a deed). he complained about a columbine shirt which most people wouldn't get. Buuut i get what you mean. They couldve had a talk & done something about it. but imo its understandable why they didnt do much about it given his age/outward demeanor
this was absolutely not the parents’ fault. nobody expects their child to do such a heinous thing. all of these comments blaming the parents or suggesting that they’re liable for any of this are so horribly cruel
Tbh I hate the take that the parents should have noticed and stopped him. Why didn’t they openly ask their parents for help then? Crying out for help is not the same as asking for help, so why didn’t they try asking for help openly? In the end it‘s because they chose to not get help and instead chose to be a mass shooter, in the end, it was their responsibility still.
Ironic how this person thought they were leaving behind like a legacy or whatever but I listen to A LOT of true crime and this is the first time I've ever even heard of them
Same
A lot of people with grandiose senses of self-importance who committed horrific acts are like that. They were most famous in their own minds. Charles Guiteau, perfect example.
If you wanna talk about irony lets talk about the shirt him and the columbine kid wore. I think there intention was to seem in control and have the power to take other peoples lives but in the end they didn't really plan on surviving so the shirt saying natural selection actually applies to them more then anyone else because they were the ones so flawed that they couldn't just live a normal life.
You will remember his name
I love JCS but something about the style of this other channel is offputting to me. It feels really immature in the way it handles the subject.
The guy seems way too happy to be talking about brutal killings
Yeah less immature more wanted to do it himself monkaS
So much of TH-cam True Crime feels as gross as this other channel, and a lot it feels MUCH worse. It's pretty bad lol
Yeah, it’s like he’s narrating with the same tone and cadence as one of those hidden camera prank shows.
@@Aithis. Chris Hanson vibes... And that's not a good thing because it turns out Hanson is a criminal pos lol.
i have very little empathy for someone who knows what they're doing is wrong but makes the active decision to do it anyway because they feel scorned by society. obviously his support system failed him but it isn't as if he was mentally incapable of telling the difference between right and wrong. he wanted revenge, and to prove a point. nothing more than a kid throwing a tantrum in the most horrific way.
That's absolutely what I was thinking!
theres a difference between knowing something and actually understanding it.
this person couldve told you everything that would result from their actions, but that recounting would be purely machinistic. no actual cognition would have occured.
the psychological force needed to achieve that kind of dissociation isnt just some tantrum.
But that's the point of mental disabilities. You are literally incapable of processing reason. Things like BPD, psychosis, Bipolar, and Depression are classified as disabilities for this reason. It renders you mentally incompetent
Knowing something and truly believing it are two different things.
@@halfpintyt I agree with that.
18:20 it's because these people often feel like they have no control over their own life, so having control over someone else's gives them relief. It's twisted and sad.
As a transgender woman I am saddened that Randy never got the mental support they needed at a young age. This is proof that therapy is essential for youth in America. They could have been able to talk about their gender dysphoria, get the medication and support they needed in order to be more comfortable in their skin, and maybe death wouldn't have been on their mind so much. This doesn't change the fact they killed people, but I'm angry that nobody asked them if they were okay.
I'm angry at the commenters in this video who uses "he" in response to Randy instead of "she" or "they." I'm using they just because it's the safest pronoun to use if you don't know which to say. They might be a monster, but we still have our own principles to follow. I hope that we can further advocate for better health care and mental health practices so less people have to suffer and die from mental illness.
Also, it should never be this easy to get a gun anywhere.
ty for saying this it's v important💕
100% ❤
I felt exactly the same while watching. It was so sad seeing this happen ;-;
It’s so wild to me, especially as a trans person that people think it’s okay to misgender trans people if they do bad things. I study criminology and psychology and sociology, and did a paper on Randy’s case and learning that she was trans and had dysphoria just hit me like a punch to the chest, also being from Pennsylvania I remember when the massacre she did was on the news back in 2017.
@@horrorhistory7342 Yeah it’s extremely depressing that this trans person could have been saved so easily
This case is so tragic and something that struck a cord with me. I'm not one to feel any sympathy for mass shooters, but I found out about him through ReignBot. It would've been so, so preventable, had anyone cared enough to notice the glaring red flags. It makes me feel so sad for the loss of life.
god this is depressing. we need better trans healthcare in this world. just better trans care in general
Nigga why
@@fernandosepulveda7297 💀
We need better MENTAL healthcare in this country, period.
I don't think he has an inflated opinion of himself, just the opposite... He's resisting mediocrity, wishing for a Way to be famous. Infamous is just as good. ( Attention,pls)
Spot on.
@@bccsivxx-xxivvii Gee thanks 👍
I mean I craved attention too before I came out as trans. Lots of people with gender dysphoria crave it when they're cis presenting because we need some kind of validation to make the pain go away. I bet if they had more trans-positive support around them, this never would have happened.
The Girl With The Mousey Hair Agreed.
Yea the vid didn't go into how frustrated he was that he couldn't get big on TH-cam he really wanted that fame and his viewers kept of slowing down
I’ve watched a few reactions to this and every time Randy brings up the fact that they might be trans ppl in the chat r always transphobic I don’t think they realize that what they’re saying affects the trans community not this murderer whos dead
this narrator is weird ash... the way he used stock footage and was so descriptive about the shooting... idk man
One of the grossest narration videos, just trying to artificially make everything seem spooky and chilling when the situation itself is bad enough
Honestly listening to it feel like I'm listening to some made up stories.. maybe just me but that honestly how this narration make me feel
So we can't have deep voices and give details anymore?
@@appleglassjuice11 It'poor writing moreso than he voice. They're using descriptions like 'when she tried to run, he heart sunk' which is not even factual. They don't know that and it's clearly just written in that way to make it more 'exciting' which just pretty gross. Even more clear when they speculate whether he 'locked eyes' with one of his co-workers or 'loomed around her' and say that it's both 'creepy'. Like who cares which is creepier at that point, people fucking died, get a grip and stop getting off on that shit.
do you know how true crime videos work
I remember on another video about the subject I had said this was preventable had we not stigmatized getting help for mental health and if there wasn’t rampant transphobia and I got called a bad person for suggesting that. It’s weird to be attacked by someone helping you to prove your point
So true man
ironically the guy who made that video gave them EXACTLY what he was looking for not everything he wanted but he definitely wanted it
I need a wellness check after this
so like, does it irrationally annoy anyone else when hasan puts on a video, leaves for five minutes during the important parts and then when he comes back, starts talking about the three seconds he heard while walking back into his room for the next ten minutes with no prior context, or better yet, when he pauses right before something is explained to rant about it for ten minutes just for him to unpause and have to redact everything he just said? idk if he knows this, but at the very lest you have to be in the same room the video is playing in to be able to react to it.
Yeah i just started binging these after binging valkyrae’s reactions and the amount of times im like “really dude? people are here to watch your reaction and you’re not here for the super important parts?” Like ik in some reactions he’s watching on his phone but still… for baseline entertainment purposes it gets annoying
@@camizl3r230 right?? even if he wasn't doing a reaction video, who puts on a video and leaves without pausing it??
i get it'd be annoying for the viewers but he could easily just put on a random try not to laugh vid or something so that he doesn't miss the important parts.
As a fellow trans, so much this
THANK YOUUUU LIKE PAUSE AND THEN LEAVE LIKE YOU ARE MISSING SO MUCH
THIS and racism is what scares me the most about America ... Im from the uk and knife crime scares me here but there is just something ... odd about how certain people in america act .... and its this video .. so many signs but everybody didnt think otherwise ? terrifies me
This isnt how most of us in the us act,, this guy was delusional
Imagine if this kid had access to therapy and HRT
So many screams for help from them, but no one really cared. There are so many times this could have been prevented, but it just went unchecked. Like..I don’t ever excuse violence of any sort, it just seems like there was a lot leading up to it. If they had gotten any sort of help then I feel like they would have become a she and would have had a happy life.
But instead, people ignored them and countless lives were needlessly taken.
hes openly documenting and admitting to planning these in advanced, how did no-one do anything, like these were consistently uploaded throughout the months right? and no one was able to tell what he had going on?
the ember song is lowkey a banger thou
His upload of it is still up. He is WorthlessToaster.
It's really not tho
@@MrGizzyRey it really is thou
24:15 “Most normal Onision fan” 😫 Chat is wild
When randy started talking about how much he liked helping people through there day and stuff, at this moment I believe if he ( like hasan said about having a support circle) randy might have still been around and never ended up shooting the market
I feel bad for Randy tbh. In the video 6 days from it happening, them talking about all the warning signs that should have pushed his friends/family to help and he didnt is super depressing. They were craving for help, but neve got it, and felt it necessary to murder a bunch of people. 100% couldve been prevented.
Yea fr he was calling for help and never got it it’s really sad
@@Dell-ol6hb Though thinking about it more, they also hid the second gun, and youd think thatd be another sign theyd want someone else to notice. So it could be they're trying to use the idea of being mentally unstable and begging for help as a red herring for why they truly did what they did to garner sympathy, if that makes sense. We'll never know ig 🤷🏼♂️
Feeling bad for a murderer lmfao
@@Dell-ol6hb sometimes I need help too I don't murder though
it’s never fucking necessary to murder a bunch of people
Propane tanks are designed to be durable to punctures and to not spark that’s what causes the explosion. You’d have to be essentially firing with the propane gas in the chamber for it to blow.
Shooting just the tank isn’t going to do anything? Like the liquid on its own isn’t going to explode?
Additionally, in the tank it’s liquid propane due to the pressure. Just bullet heat isn’t enough, because it doesn’t have enough oxygen around to combust initially. Like lighting a match inside a tub of oil.
Best bet with shots only is to shoot for a leak, wait for enough propane to vaporize, then shoot a (metal) surface most likely to spark on impact inside the propane cloud. But you’re way more able to cause a boom if you wreck the tank, let it flow and then use traditional flames (carry a lighter).
I was infatuated with the Columbine High School shooting when I was in high school. I was battling severe depression and my parents where actively preventing me from seeking professional help. I stumbled upon a Columbine “documentary” (idk if it was an actual documentary) and started binge watching every single video about them. Listened to songs about them. Then I started planning on doing stuff bad stuff. I had even made a detailed plan on how to burn doen the school. I was 16 at the time. Thank god I had amazing friends who supported me through depression. And THANK THANK God that gun laws are very strict in my country. I know look back at those years in awe.
Where are you from man? Sorry you went through that and I’m glad you didn’t do anything stupid.
i’m sorry for whatever it was that drove you to those thoughts. i’m glad you’re doing better.. ❤️ stay strong
Hope you're doing okay!!
Thats Illegal to plan something like that, your lucky your not in prison
39:23 he's probably talking about his legacy, like the columbine shooters. he probably thought he'd have fans like himself.
yes!
@@DailyDoseOfHasanAbifanchannel 😘
I remember a video from when the shooting first happened and it was a compilation of a bunch of 4chan people making fun of them and how they shot a shotgun and from what I gathered I figured they were trans but not out yet, but the video Hasan sees at the beginning wasn't even shown in it.
okay, I’m gonna say one thing about them that probably a lot of people won’t like:
although they may have been dealing with many mental health issues and gender dysphoria and all that, but they documented EVERYTHING. They knew exactly what they wanted to do and they had a plan.
That isn’t someone who we should feel sorry for.
We shouldn’t feel sorry for them because they had mental health struggles when they killed three people in cold blood for their own prophecy they wanted to fulfill. If they seriously wanted to follow through and become a ghost girl, this sounds harsh but they could’ve simply just k*led themselves, but no. They took it as an opportunity to make a statement essentially and take the lives of three innocent people, and then they k*led themselves. They took the lives of three people that did not deserve the ending that they recieved, all for his big plan.
While many people do struggle with mental health and gender dysphoria, I don’t feel sorry for the people that take the fucking lives of others in the process.
Stop. Feeling. Sorry. For. Mass. Murderers.
And to everyone saying it’s tragic: it is tragic for the VICTIMS. it’s tragic they didn’t get the help they needed, but Randy knew EXACTLY what they were doing. The moment someone takes another person’s life is the moment you stop feeling sorry for them, because they’re brought that on themselves. They didn’t have to kill those people, they didn’t have to make a spectacle of it, but they did.
We're gonna feel sorry for whoever the fuck we want feeling sorry for someone isn't wrong and patchy is exactly what is missing in this world that could have prevented spiraling like this
You can feel sorry for both the victims who weren't at fault, AND for someone who is at fault for a crime, you're not excusing the crime, just feeling sad that a troubled person ended up this way.
Ya know. I really hate to say it. But there were moments where randy was ranting and internally I was like “I felt that” lol not the mass murder part, but some of the complaints he had about home life and some of his problems. I was just like “shit man I get it, but fuckin read a book or try video games or something!”
Hello there!
This one didn't explain that he "killed" his whale and frog friends in a TH-cam video, tried to make it bloody and everything. Originally the whale and frog were the stars of his videos and his only friends til he saw Ember or whatever
I live in the south and I have never seen so many confederate flags than when I drove through rural New York. Shit was insane, so I 100% believe rural PA is the south
Why is the narrator so excited to explain the murders taking place?
Cause that's his job u snowflake
Because it's mad interesting
Channels like the one he’s watching were the reasons why I fell off of true crime. It’s like, okay dude, these are real, terrible things that happened to innocent people. Let’s chill the fuck out on the novelist language please.
Now imagine a world where this lonely and confused ghost girl had to go and buy those guns from some shady hardcore criminals instead of going to Walmart.
But MUH GUNS.
Kinda still freaks me out how I work in the same franchise that they did. I remember like 2 months ago my manager talking about a different shooting at on of our locations and I thought they were talking about this so I then went on and kinda told the story on how messed up they were.
I remember watching this dude back in the early days of TH-cam. Sad this is what happened to him
Imagine being this supermarket employees, you go to work day in and day out trying to do your best to make ends meet. And then one day, late at night when you're tired and just want to go home, you're finishing up the last bit of work and then the manager's shy, emo kid kills you.
"Pennsyltucky is more south than Miami" so fucking true, PA is the South in the middle + Pittsburgh and Philly and some smaller cities.
Man i really love when his chat basically says "shut the fuck up Hassan you don't know what your talking about" it makes me snort everytime
'nothing would stop him from becoming a mass murderer. YO WHATS UP EWU CREW GET READY FOR SOME POGGERS CONTENT'
Mental health conditions fluctuate. Keep an eye on your mates
"Idk if we can watch this"
*immediately plays it anyway on stream*
I usually feel like I handle this kind of stuff relatively well, but this was... intense.
We’ve had so many mass shootings… they begin to blur together. I don’t remember ever hearing this story
the logic behind "i dont hate victoria, but you gotta go" is mindboggling
Can confirm people here in PA act like we are in the South
Yeah depends on where you’re at though, I’m from south eastern PA
Idk why but I can never truly feel bad for people like these I get that they had a rough life and mental health struggles but that’s never excuse y’know? So many people go through stuff like this without committing murder and we all have deep dark urges it’s up to the person whether they give into or not. I do wish that someone helped them so that those ppl wouldn’t die but like I have 0 sympathy for them. It always baffles me when ppl feel bad for ppl like them like I don’t feel shit and I only have sympathy for the victims.
Hasan jokes way too much about this, idk if it’s his way of dealing with such a serious topic or trying to make it more lighthearted for chat
What the documentary said about them(im using they/them since they are not around to tell us their pronouns) almost seeming disappointed their parents didn't pick up on the red flags makes me wonder if some part of them didn't want to do this and wanted to be talked out of it. There was a youtuber I used to watch who was trans and she had severe gender dysphoria and depression as a kid. She mentioned in a podcast how she was having suicidal thoughts (should probably note she didn't have thoughts of killing others just herself) and she would self harm in a way that left marks because a part of her wanted her parents to notice something was wrong. But another part of her didn't so she would cover up her injuries by wearing shirts. She kinda wanted her parents to know but also kinda didn't so she just subtly hinted that something was wrong.
4:27 I really liked that the editor included a small explanation. Really helps
How do you have a child that looks like that and don’t notice there’s something wrong going on. You had one job parents
He looks better than most Americans.
Its almost like people dont talk to their kids or act like they care or are concerned about their kids and then get so surprised when the kid they never pay attention to does something to try to get attention.
Fr it's kinda mad. Even if I just wore that natural selection shirt, my mom would be like "oh I've not seen you wearing that before, where did you get it? What's that about?". Maybe it's because she was a single parent and she only had daughters so it was easier for us to relate to reach other on the surface at least, but idk it's crazy how little people communicate with their kids. I do know folks who grew up with similarly absent relationships with their parents though, it's quite sad.
0:23 Damn dude give me a second to put my seatbelt on
Right? When I first watched this I felt bad because that shit made me crack up. Completely blindsided.
Spirituality im a Apache helicopter 😂
Randy used he/him pronouns until he died, and it’s supposedly the pronouns he wanted to use “in life”, so I’m gonna use he/him, however, I can confirm the way he talks about his gender sounds a LOT like gender dysphoria. “I can be who I truly am in the next life”, “I’m a female soul stuck in this disgusting body”, “I hate my earthly body”, etc. That wasn’t the sole cause, and no one is saying it was; however, his hatred for himself and his body and his gender contributed to his cynicism contributed to his hatred of others, etc. etc.
well his dad kept bugging him about getting a job everytime they went out and one time he yelled at randy in public about it this enraged randy bc he was working at the store already part time and doing youtube on the side
i watched all of his videos detailing his thoughts and emotions and he mainly expressed his hatred of working at the store and his dad
so as weird as randy was i believe he tried his best in his own way and his lack of support and belief in him from his mother and father pushed him over the edge
Can’t believe his mom bought him a fuccin shotgun 🙀
This situation is so heartbreaking, not only because of the tragic deaths but also that it’s so clear that this person was so desperate for attention and people to notice them.
I was actually waiting for a gender discourse when it comes to Randy Stair. Most of the talk I saw on this person was that "Randy is a murderer therefor deserves to be misgengered" which is a complete 180 to the Chris Chan thing (I think every left tuber I saw referred to Chris with she/her) but when it comes to Randy Stair apparently it doesn't count anymore?
He used he him pronouns tho,
Holy shit dude. These people completely destroy people's lives because of their bullshit. People work so hard just to make their lives even slightly bearable and then these assholes just end it. It's so messed up. Spread love. Spread empathy. Work to make your life better. The moment you take that frustration out on others through violence you've already lost. I spent too much time trying to improve myself for some asshole to end it.
Sometimes I wonder what Randy would do if Danny Phantom was never created, lmao.
I took 150ml of Benadryl after a bad food allergy and thought I was gonna die.. had chills, sweating, and hives all over. 372ml is straight up killing him lol
I assume you mean 150mg? If so that isn't much you're probably just sensitive to it. I used to take 150-200mg regularly for sleep.
... i also used a similar coping mechanism once upon a time. making up different characters to represent different emotions. it helped compartmentalise all my emotions. i was so caught up in grief and anger that i couldn’t process or even acknowledge. having them represented in something or someone out of my control was almost cathartic at times. during this time i was also counting down to the days i planned to commit suicide... not mentally sound whatsoever
I definitely think Randy took the Benadryl to calm his anxiety while going through with his plans. In high amounts Benadryl definitely acts like a sedative. Possible he was also hallucinating during the event
Damn if only this guy had recieved some love and attention.
I don't understand how you cant hear a gunshot inside a building just because you have headphones in, or let alone feel the vibration in the air
lmao "sometimes we watch murderers and we're like, dude what the fuck" -Hasanabi
Watching a human catastrophe like this reminds me of myself and my own lows in life. Who knows what I would’ve been capable of if my brain developed differently. Maybe it’s this person literally _begging_ to be stopped or maybe it’s the fact their situation seemed salvageable, but people SHOULD feel at least a little sympathetic. More sympathetic to the victims, of course. It would be outright disrespectful to twist the cause of a tragedy into something positive.
But here’s the deal: people have this idea that killers are fully in control of themselves and that killing is an intrinsic part of their character, their very soul. In reality, killers _lack_ something to a detriment - the thought processes by which all we know (instinctively and/or logically) that killing others is a bad idea. Maybe they viewed people as objects all their lives due to unfortunate brain chemistry. Maybe their soul is a desert where they’re completely alone, without empathy despite an empathetic society staring them in the face. Or maybe they decided in the moment that killing was somehow worth it. Who knows how people reach stupid conclusions?
And here’s why this reality disturbs us. We _want_ an “evil,” twisted, inhuman character to fight against. It’s the problem being complex which scares us, because solving it would be more daunting than simply executing/shitting on an unsalvageable, undesirable human trash bag. People don’t want to realize that holding 1 person accountable for murder being a process that occurs naturally within our society is completely unreasonable. Because it would mean your life isn’t entirely in your control. Because it would mean that _you’re_ partially responsible for countless sins you did not commit and that you must carry their weight on your shoulders. Anyone can become a trash bag. There’s potential for you to be a walking disaster within you. And that’s ok. We’ll figure it out with enough time on this earth
The fact that no one really caught this and no one really reported this is awful. It absolutely never had to happen.