In the Bible in Isiah 11:2, the seven spirits of the Lord are listed. Two of them apply directly to teachers: the spirit of knowledge and the spirit of understanding. The first is self explanatory. The second, the spirit of understanding, is the ability to explain what you know. I expect we've all had teachers who knew their subject but couldn't explain it. You sir, not only know your subject well, but you also possess the ability to explain it so that people can understand it in a thoroughly entertaining manner. Good show! You know what I be sayin"?
very informative..i have been a ford part sales person for over 50 years loved your description and history of the 8100.also loved hearing that lovely engine..well done!
I drove 8100 for about 18 months with the shindler 4WD convert awsom tractor reeked like a steam train wen u worked it hard was very prone to craking the no1 injector pipe. It got replased with a Renault 133-14 but dident have the same driveability as the 8100. Nice video brings back memorys
Seeing the inside of that cab takes me back to being an Ag Student during the glorious summer of 1983, corn carting with a Ford 7700 - halcyon days in Eastleach, Glous.
Great video! Nice to see you back in the workshop! Saunders is going to need a restraining order soon 😂😂😂😂 Love those 6 pot industrial engines seen plenty in boats and crop fans !
Never been much of a Ford man but always loved those UK conversations. Lots of cool industrial history there. Bout 4 years ago when I was scouting seed corn I got lost trying to find a field and went past a run down old farm that just so happened to have a County and a Muir Hill sitting out in the pasture. Always wanted to stop and ask about them. Not something you expect to find in Michigan.
The 8100 were never sold in the States but a handful actually made it over. I know there's a few County's over with you guys but I've never seen a Muir Hill there ! I really like the Oliver's and a few have been imported here but I just love the collection you have. Thanks for watching and keep at it - you've been missed ! 👍
the wife and I both really love your programme you are brilliant, have to say that I especially enjoy and take in your programme Lord Muck you are brilliant at what you do and I hope you never give up.
The 8100 must be one of the most underrated and little known tractors of the Ford Tractor range. We have one and are often asked "what is it". Around 25 years ago the original Dorset type engine was removed and replaced with a NH Power Star 7.5 litre engine ( 260hp stock) from a 8970 , plus the inlet manifold was changed for a water cooled one from a NH TX66 combine, so maybe a little more power and a much neater intercooling installation. We also have an old MuirHill with the Dorset type engine ( 115hp I think ) but the Power Star engined 8100 is still far more economical on fuel. The conversion actually shortens the tractor as there is no need for an adapter ring and cotton reel extension for the flywheel ( no clutch shudder ! ). The engine simply bolts straight on to the bell housing with no need for the EVA bath. A TW flywheel and clutch is used ( it does have to be converted from 6 bolts to 8 ) and a whole host of other but doable details have to be attended to. It can be seen running in these two video links which are also to be found on my Nephew's MegaPowerChannel site on TH-cam. 8100 Welger Baler and Ford 8100 - Mowing Hay 2016 th-cam.com/video/FQe7NnT2N_8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/EADNF_9WHVc/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video and History about the 8100, spent a lot of time driving one of these back in the 80's, the only downside i found about the 8100 was the front end was very light, and had a few runnings on slopes with it..
Fantastic video I prefer when you do these kind of videos. As it helps me with some general knowledge about the tractors . As I'm a agricultural mechanical engineer. Thank for your time in making these in depth videos. 🙏
The 8100 probably the world's most underrated tractor,had 3 one fwd , simple fairly easy to work on only floor was the shaft from flywheel to PTO would break if on heavy PTO work , back in the day if you needed an engine a trip to your local lorry breaker and age hundred quid and you where back in businessgood video 81,s making strong money nowadays
Love the message to poor George and he must love creme eggs lmfao nice to see you back on here and look forward to seeing your progress on the new ford should be good to see and as you say take care and mind how you go
Great to have u back on a regular basis Kurt 👍 strange but never got to the giddy heights of an 8100 just a 7700 an tbh thought it was the bees knees 💪💪🤣 look forward to the next installment 👍
I had a Ford 8100 in the mid 80s I worked for a contractor and the tractor was converted to a road rail With a Turner 25s on the back I do have photos love the old fords
Your ford 8100 is a modern tractor to me, I collect tractors from the 1920's - 60's over on my wee channel, but i enjoyed that talk on the history of the 8100 you presented that very well. All good Stuff
Hi, I’m new to your channel, boy I remember theses, I went to work for a farm and they had one if memory servers me well and the pump was opened up and boy did she fly, you needed a pilot’s license she sure got down the road but I’m not in farming but still remember the old small fords and the bigger stuff of the 80’s and 90’s early ish great thanks, markUK
I just bought a Ford 4000 here in Canada, I have it in to get the PTO break fixed (I want it to be safe as it will be the first tractor my son uses, not that a worn break is the end of the world). But I should get it in a few weeks. It will be perfect for snow removal here in Canada. It is a gas, which makes it easier to start in minus 30 Celsius (every few years we have a cold snap like that, it can be minus 50 farther North) but not as good for things like heavy plowing. When I was young I worked on a dairy farm and my favorite tractor was the Ford, I guess I keep going full circle. I had originally set out to find a Ford 3000, which is much more common, but I could not find one that was not abused badly.
Got to be the best video you have ever made, I was brought up driving most the tractors you mentioned, the good old days, Anyway thanks for taking me back and for your very informative and wonderful video, keep them coming. Stephen
Next job........ turbo fitment 😁 seriously nice tractor , I can remember my grandads contractor used to have one for carting with back in the day' it sounded like nothing else when pulling loads back to the clamp up the hills, you could always hear it coming before the others and it always looked huge when I was used to seeing 135’s & 165 Masseys lol
My friend has a Roadless 118 which has the same 6 cylinder engine. Was a brilliant front line tractor did all the slurry tanker work and was great on a precision forage harvester. Leads a more sedate lifestyle now..
Got ur sell a fine piece of equipment. Love ur knowledge about tractor . We have an old 1710 2wd ford they dnt make them like that anymore . Can't wait to see what George has to say on this one. Can't wait for the vidja on the tractor . C-ya then
Hi Kurt, Loved the video about the 8100. You have found a lovely straight example. They are hard to find. I drove an 8210 4x4 for years. I know the 8210 had a de rated 401 engine which left them dead enough. You had to keep the revs up to to get the best of them. Never drove an 8100 so curios as to how the the industrial engine worked out,.
Back in about 1992, I had the pleasure of driving a brand new TW25 that had a power shift gearbox to cart peas to a pea processing factory near to Grantham Lincolnshire. But the pleasure only lasted for about 2 hours, because after that, the transmission had over-heated and went into limp mode...
@@LordMuck If my memory serves me correctly, the not a "TW 25" power shift transmission was since made programmable to up shift more than one gear at a time, such as in low load, road work situations. Ahead of its time?
Brilliant, I used to drive one of these back in the day loved it the view from up there was great compared to the 7610s , alas at least twice it had problems with the block leaking water into the oil.
Put that Dorset engine in a D-Series truck and you have trouble with a capital T. I worked for a Manchester haulage company that bought 4 off them in 1965. I was the first mechanic in the country to overhaul one, they seized up for fun and Ford didn't know why and kept just replacing engines, they had to take the 360 cu inch off the assembly line to replace the damaged ones. One day when I was working on one the thermostat opened and when I revved it up the top water hose closed off because it was too soft, the water pumps suction closed the top hose completely until the revs dropped, this caused the flow of water to stop, the engine overheated and seized on No. 5 and 6 cylinders pulling the dry liners down and snapping the bottom of the liners off. I told Ford about this and they immediately changed all top hoses with a better product. The 330 cu in and 4cylinder variants run for ever as did the 360 after a top hose change.
Lord Muck. I changed three out of the four we had before I found the fault with the top radiator hose so God knows how many were changed across the country but that Ford all over they let the customer do their quality control and find the faults. We had a similar problem with the Trader 75s with the 6D engines, the spill rail was inside the Rocker Cover and when they leaked it filled the sump with diesel, it was only when one off the drivers mentioned that the oil was rising up the dip stick that we realised what was happening.
Quality vid mate I only spot the Saunders comment at the end . Epic video I often wondered about the evolution of Ford and what was the true story around County . The 8100 is a very interesting machine , I drove a big 7600 back in the day 2 wheel drive , powerful yoke , done a lot of carting myself in one . Grain Cart 💪✅✅✅
Hi Kurt, following on from the NH 8970 Power Star engine conversion carried out around 25 years ago on our 8100, a few memories have stirred. I'm getting on a bit now so I stand to be corrected if my memory fails me. Because the whole tractor ended up approximately 10 inches shorter we needed to convert the 8100 from its short wheel base arrangement to a long wheel base arrangement. This of course is quite easily done by turning the whole axle and yoke assembly around. This made the tractor look "right" and in proportion with a standard looking wheel base again. Do you think that your 8100 with its very long bonnet due to the Dorset engine installation could also benefit from also having its wheel base lengthened ? I remember being told by a fitter that the short wheel base was best for working in restricted areas while the long wheel base was best for large field work. You would of course need the correct drag links which might now be difficult to find. Another feature of the 8100 is its high gearing for its day. The same fitter told me that the 8100 having a 7700 /6700 rear end which normally ran 14/34 wheels, when equipped with 38 inch rims fitted with high profile 650/18 tyres, the gearing was obviously raised. This feature made it quite popular with dealers who often kept one for delivery work. The Dorset/ D series is a very good engine which 40 years ago would cost you about £100, normally taken from a Ford lorry. This engine was good for a Fordson Major installation, but the governor was slow coming in at low revs and was all top end. The Dorset engine in our MuirHill is a totally different beast and one gets the impression it would drive right through a house at tick over without stalling.
I always liked the look of the 81's in SWB configuration. Mine has its factory engine so is set for low down torque and it really does pull well. I had a Super Major with a 6D 590E from a Thames Trader and it went like stink but wasn't much good low down.
@@LordMuck Way back in the late sixties we always wanted a Ford 5000. Fordson Majors seemed so old even then. We never did get to buy a 5000 but made do later on with a very cheap Muirhill which cost £1,000. Ten years on we bought our 8100 for the then princely sum of £2,000. The engine was done for and hence the Powerstar engine conversion. Powerstar engines are thin on the ground now but there must be a few about fitted in NH TX 66 combines. We have one of these engines fitted in our TW 15 loader tractor, rated at 270 hp and revs to 3,000 rpm. Despite these "modern" tractors, we are still have three Fordsons, (one with a Dorset engine) earning their keep. The NH Powerstar engines came in at the end of a Golden Age of cheap Tractors and engines that were all mechanically governed, simply to run and work on. I'm pleased that you now have a 8100 and look forward to seeing it "gently" restored, Ralph
Great explaining history of 8100, definitely buying book for good read, be looking forward for more vids of 8100👍maybe Classic Tractor Magazine future print?
Those lads have produced some excellent books and they're down to earth and produced for people who enjoy tractors and farming. www.tractorbarnproductions.com
One of the main problems of the 8100 was the alignment between engine and gearbox some of them used to wear th splines in the pto fly wheel hub and shaft if these went it was a major job cab off split between engine and box and split between box and axle the problem was the tolerances in the engine to box adaptor plate at the time there was a ford service bulletin about it when I lived up Oswestry area there was a contractor from around Wrexham who put a larger Dorset engine in is with a turbo and he used it for local tractor pulling events and it always won its class
I know exactly what you mean I was a young man who was nuts on tractors and a contractor near cirencester had a 8100 Ford with a 719 forager the music was fantastic to my ears I had a opportunity to drive a muir hill 717 it had a sliding door to get in the cab you sat down in the cab but the tractor that sticks in my mind is a Ford 5000 with a truck engine it was a beast it pulled a Howard 250 rotary spreader and it beat a deutz 370 with a silage trailer the smoke the old girl put out was something else my whole family was upset when she had to go because dad's boss went over to lease hire of massey ferguson s ie 3650s today I have a 3650on our own farm what a tractor but 😁 lol I would say that I love all tractors the tractor cab is my favourite place if life gets to demanding take care my old mate
I have just watched your video about the ford 8830 and one of the last things I did in the tractor industry was to go on a course to boreham house on the thirty series circa 1990 we where told that ford had given the gearbox casting to funk transmitions and told them to fit in a18 speed auto Matic transmition and ford where working with another company called dickie John who designed the brain to work the transmition I think the box was fixed Untermeyer the seat just before the tractor came out John deere bought funk transmitions and told told there dealers to say ford where using there gearbox this was not true because most of the internals where off the shelf parts being used in many other automatic gearboxes dickie John where a company that worked with other tractor manufacturers and I think they designed the Massey Ferguson electrical controlled hydraulic system which suffered early on in its life with damp uk weather
The Ford Funk unit was different to the JD Powershift in that it was less robust but much more refined. Yes, Dickie John did a lot of groundbreaking electronic control systems that today we take for granted.
why didnt you look at Steyr ? :) there lowest 6 zyl tractor was 85HP (Steyr 8100)and the biggest 165HP (Steyr 8180) the Steyr 8130 with 110HP later ones with 115HP would have been perfect for you :)
And where in 1977 would we in the UK have bought one ? People wanted Fords not a tractor without dealer back-up. Roll on 6-7 years later and there were a few Steyrs being imported.
It was done over 18 months ago, fully rebuilt engine, ancillaries, bushes, pipes etc, just needs a bit of welding on the cab and a coat of paint but I'm not doing that. I have about 5 other projects on the go and as the 3C was completed I had room for another.
I’ve just brought my first tractor got a Massey Ferguson 3630 it’s in good condition so doesn’t need a restoration just a few little gremlins to sort out a little leak from a filter and the left side door mainly and a few electrical gremlins in the dash nothing major very Pleased with it although I seem to have to same worry over it as I do my own children hope that feeling goes away as the misses feels like she’s now sharing me with the tractor 😂
Really interesting hearing about the history of the 8100 and the other models in Ford's line up at the time. I know it came a few years after but where did the 7810 fit in? I remember when I was driving a 7710 being very jealous of the smart 7810 the neighbouring farmer had. But looking back now, for a 6 cylinder tractor the 7810 was in the 100hp range, about the same as the 7710. Who bought the 7810 rather than a 4 cylinder 7710 or going up into the 8000 series or even a TW? They seemed popular at the time but wondering what the selling point was now!
78 came along well in to the Gen 2's and was competition for the CaseIH 956XL, Case 1594, JD3350 etc. Well balanced, smooth pulling, fairly compact 6cyl.
@@LordMuck Thanks for that, yeah that makes sense, 7810 certainly was a compact tractor compared to the 8000s which looked massive by comparison. We also ran a 2WD IH 1056XL along side the 7710. Loved that tractor, the sound it made was amazing. Much more power low down that the 7710 - needed the turbo spun up to get the power!
Remember by the time the 10 Series (and the later 00 Series) had began, the big 8000's had gone, replaced by the TW's. The only 8000 left and to continue was the 8210.
@@LordMuck Oh didn't realize the 8210 was the only 8000 left at that time. Never saw many TWs where I lived (Northumberland) but the big 30 series Power Shifts seemed to get popular - didn't realise they replaced the TWs until your video. Thanks again love your videos.
I have 8100 4wd and i would to know have cardan speed,and when i drive i 1000/min rpm tractor going jump and slow have incjetor problem or something elese?
my Dad had one for years, bought new in 1979, kept thinking he should of waited for a TW10 as it was used as a ploughing tractor. From memory the engine needed constant overhauls on it, it kept breaking the rear wheels and in the end (as it had 2 assistor rams on it the rear housing cracked up around the pto shaft and then the final drive That said a good tractor through remembered with fond memories as in 1980 it was a big tractor to me
I think they only ever had one assisted ram which was the biggest issue. Personally I'd take a 2715e over a 401 especially for longevity of life once you'd sorted any issues. For heavy work TW would have been worth waiting for. 8100 was designed primarily to give more grunt driving foragers, not for heavy draught work.
@@LordMuck yes, it came with one assistor ram on the left. The tractor, upon getting a 180-90 was downgraded in the early 80s to a 3m power harrow drill and an extra ram was added because of this. Boy was it slow to lift though. I guess the weight of the drill pull too hard on the top link cracking the rear end around the pto area. However a steel plate was made to hold it together and it carried on for many years until the underside of the epicyclic housing cracked on the right hand axle. That said, even with engine woes it was an ok tractor. It was sold with the problems back in 2000 for £2k. The paintwork, tinwork, metalwork and inside the cab was still almost like new still with no dents or rot. It would of been an great restoration project. Yes I had heard it was really a pto tractor and also in Belgium where it was designed, they wanted a high speed road tractor. Our one would do probably 25mph on the road. Scary considering everything else in those days was doing about 17mph I found the original receipt for it recently. It came from D Rowe & Co chichester with a 4 furrow ransome plough back in Sept 79
Those were all the same issues Doe's had when fitting single and twin assisters, including having to fit plates and brackets etc, nearly every one built being slightly different. 8100 was designed back in Basildon, not Belgium but EVA in Belgium had the bathtub carrier from their own 7000 series adaptions so this was a simple fix. The design team at County wanted to beef it up further but Ford didn't want it to just become another County product so it always just fell short of it's true potential. Fiat 180-90 was another example of a great tractor being pushed just a little too far with many of them suffering crown wheel failure. Lovely tractors though all the same.
A good tidy up is all what needs to be said for a lot of these tractors out here... worst thing I think you can do is put a coat of paint on something that doesn’t need it especially if it’s the wrong colour 🙄
Francis, you are going to hate me, because I am painting my Ford 4000 pink... (just kidding) a darker blue than the standard Ford blue, it is closer to the New Holland blue. I wish I had the coin to have it professionally done because this tractor deserves it. But with covid, my business has been cut down drastically, I was shut down for 3 months and now am getting a very small amount of business here in Canada. But I had the time because I was not working, and I wanted a local less expensive source for the right type of paint. The local tractor restoration guy said the paint I was using is the same type (different manufacturer) as the Ford blue he uses and it would not cause any problems if at a later date I wanted him to restore it. The bottom line is that I want to protect the tin work. Here in Canada, it is hard to find 50 year old tractors with good tin. I think it looks great, and to be honest with you, the tractor now looks like it is respected by the owner (me), rather than like so many we see here left to rot! I hope you can forgive me!
Great video very interesting muck, what a coincidence were on about changing one of our claas's for a Ford 8630 super q or something similar , we just want something with a bit more grunt on the spreader, and have always wanted one beautiful machines they are and are there any things I should look out for when buying one? Any common problems, would be much appreciated cheers muck
If it's an 8630, find out if it's had a replacement block/engine and if it's around 5000 hours just be careful. Check transmission through all gears backwards and forwards (there's details about fault codes online) The rest is just straight forward stuff.
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In the Bible in Isiah 11:2, the seven spirits of the Lord are listed. Two of them apply directly to teachers: the spirit of knowledge and the spirit of understanding. The first is self explanatory. The second, the spirit of understanding, is the ability to explain what you know. I expect we've all had teachers who knew their subject but couldn't explain it. You sir, not only know your subject well, but you also possess the ability to explain it so that people can understand it in a thoroughly entertaining manner. Good show! You know what I be sayin"?
Well I'm glad you enjoyed it. I've been fortunate enough to have good teachers and people that have taken the time to explain things in my life.
@@LordMuck yep
@@LordMuck keep up the good work
very informative..i have been a ford part sales person for over 50 years loved your description and history of the 8100.also loved hearing that lovely engine..well done!
I’m 40 now.
Was lucky to drive one of these at 15. Loved it.
Great video Kurt looking forward to following this, thank you for the mention of Tractor Barn and glad the pictures have helped 👍
Thanks again 👍
Poor Saunders I dont know how he puts up with u😅. Nice looking tractor mukka looking forward to following the overhaul
I know 😂. It took me 11 mins to notice he likes cats 😂😂
I drove 8100 for about 18 months with the shindler 4WD convert awsom tractor reeked like a steam train wen u worked it hard was very prone to craking the no1 injector pipe. It got replased with a Renault 133-14 but dident have the same driveability as the 8100. Nice video brings back memorys
I always wondered what he’d do for a creme egg. Great vid, very informative, I mean the tractor part, not just George!
Seeing the inside of that cab takes me back to being an Ag Student during the glorious summer of 1983, corn carting with a Ford 7700 - halcyon days in Eastleach, Glous.
Yer I remember using a 7700 corncarting luved that tractor easy to use and very versatile 👍👍
Great video! Nice to see you back in the workshop! Saunders is going to need a restraining order soon 😂😂😂😂
Love those 6 pot industrial engines seen plenty in boats and crop fans !
Never been much of a Ford man but always loved those UK conversations. Lots of cool industrial history there. Bout 4 years ago when I was scouting seed corn I got lost trying to find a field and went past a run down old farm that just so happened to have a County and a Muir Hill sitting out in the pasture. Always wanted to stop and ask about them. Not something you expect to find in Michigan.
The 8100 were never sold in the States but a handful actually made it over.
I know there's a few County's over with you guys but I've never seen a Muir Hill there !
I really like the Oliver's and a few have been imported here but I just love the collection you have.
Thanks for watching and keep at it - you've been missed ! 👍
the wife and I both really love your programme you are brilliant, have to say that I especially enjoy and take in your programme Lord Muck you are brilliant at what you do and I hope you never give up.
The 8100 must be one of the most underrated and little known tractors of the Ford Tractor range.
We have one and are often asked "what is it". Around 25 years ago the original Dorset type engine was removed and replaced with a NH Power Star 7.5 litre engine ( 260hp stock) from a 8970 , plus the inlet manifold was changed for a water cooled one from a NH TX66 combine, so maybe a little more power and a much neater intercooling installation. We also have an old MuirHill with the Dorset type engine ( 115hp I think ) but the Power Star engined 8100 is still far more economical on fuel. The conversion actually shortens the tractor as there is no need for an adapter ring and cotton reel extension for the flywheel ( no clutch shudder ! ). The engine simply bolts straight on to the bell housing with no need for the EVA bath.
A TW flywheel and clutch is used ( it does have to be converted from 6 bolts to 8 ) and a whole host of other but doable details have to be attended to.
It can be seen running in these two video links which are also to be found on my Nephew's MegaPowerChannel site on TH-cam.
8100 Welger Baler and Ford 8100 - Mowing Hay 2016
th-cam.com/video/FQe7NnT2N_8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/EADNF_9WHVc/w-d-xo.html
That must be just awesome ! 🤣
One of Ford/NH's finest engines
Awesome video and History about the 8100, spent a lot of time driving one of these back in the 80's, the only downside i found about the 8100 was the front end was very light, and had a few runnings on slopes with it..
Love those old fords especially the big 2wd ones. Like the George gag lol!
Fantastic video I prefer when you do these kind of videos. As it helps me with some general knowledge about the tractors . As I'm a agricultural mechanical engineer. Thank for your time in making these in depth videos. 🙏
Looks great order! A very good find. Looking forward to the upcoming vids👍
Love the old Ford's, so much better than the new stuff in many ways!
The 8100 probably the world's most underrated tractor,had 3 one fwd , simple fairly easy to work on only floor was the shaft from flywheel to PTO would break if on heavy PTO work , back in the day if you needed an engine a trip to your local lorry breaker and age hundred quid and you where back in businessgood video 81,s making strong money nowadays
I've suddenly gone off cats and cream eggs 🙈😂
Good old ford i love them, don,t worry about a bit black smoke i have never driven one without.
I'd worry more if it didn't smoke...
I'm worried about Saunders with the cats ....lol great classic tractor that mate , I've got international 955xl
Poor Cats lol.🤣 Good to have your Video's back Lord M.....
Love the message to poor George and he must love creme eggs lmfao nice to see you back on here and look forward to seeing your progress on the new ford should be good to see and as you say take care and mind how you go
Great to have u back on a regular basis Kurt 👍 strange but never got to the giddy heights of an 8100 just a 7700 an tbh thought it was the bees knees 💪💪🤣 look forward to the next installment 👍
Now that was an interesting / informative and fascinating video Kurt, nice touch going into the history of the 8100. Good old Ford tractor.
Haha nice one Podge! Took me 11mibs in into the vid to notice that George likes cats 😂
The Muck is back, beast!!
I had a Ford 8100 in the mid 80s I worked for a contractor and the tractor was converted to a road rail With a Turner 25s on the back I do have photos love the old fords
Great video nice to see you back in the work shop 👍🏻👍🏻
Your ford 8100 is a modern tractor to me, I collect tractors from the 1920's - 60's over on my wee channel, but i enjoyed that talk on the history of the 8100 you presented that very well.
All good Stuff
Hi, I’m new to your channel, boy I remember theses, I went to work for a farm and they had one if memory servers me well and the pump was opened up and boy did she fly, you needed a pilot’s license she sure got down the road but I’m not in farming but still remember the old small fords and the bigger stuff of the 80’s and 90’s early ish great thanks, markUK
You're very knowledgeable about tractors and it's fun to hear about them. I'll be sure to be here for future videos.
Cheers David, I'll be glad to be getting the seat back in !
Used to go with dad drawing silage when I was a kid back in the early 90s gen 1 8210 god I miss them days 😩
I can remember my dad’s 8100 what a tractor , but she kept on breaking the rear half shafts and kept cracking the rear steel wheel centres
I just bought a Ford 4000 here in Canada, I have it in to get the PTO break fixed (I want it to be safe as it will be the first tractor my son uses, not that a worn break is the end of the world). But I should get it in a few weeks. It will be perfect for snow removal here in Canada. It is a gas, which makes it easier to start in minus 30 Celsius (every few years we have a cold snap like that, it can be minus 50 farther North) but not as good for things like heavy plowing. When I was young I worked on a dairy farm and my favorite tractor was the Ford, I guess I keep going full circle. I had originally set out to find a Ford 3000, which is much more common, but I could not find one that was not abused badly.
Got to be the best video you have ever made, I was brought up driving most the tractors you mentioned, the good old days, Anyway thanks for taking me back and for your very informative and wonderful video, keep them coming. Stephen
Cheers 👍
Next job........ turbo fitment 😁
seriously nice tractor , I can remember my grandads contractor used to have one for carting with back in the day' it sounded like nothing else when pulling loads back to the clamp up the hills, you could always hear it coming before the others and it always looked huge when I was used to seeing 135’s & 165 Masseys lol
we had the slightly later 8200 4wd such a great tractor
My friend has a Roadless 118 which has the same 6 cylinder engine. Was a brilliant front line tractor did all the slurry tanker work and was great on a precision forage harvester. Leads a more sedate lifestyle now..
Yes, same reason, Ford had nothing in that horsepower range with a 6 cylinder engine so Roadless offered the 118.
Looking forward to the next installments, She's a beauty. Loving the white board message 😂
Got ur sell a fine piece of equipment. Love ur knowledge about tractor . We have an old 1710 2wd ford they dnt make them like that anymore . Can't wait to see what George has to say on this one. Can't wait for the vidja on the tractor . C-ya then
Good stuff Kurt, go easy on poor George:):)
Very informative Mucka cheers mate great lesson.
You will be able to join george and the TW at ploughing matches
Interesting history on the 8100
Nice one cheers
Great to see you back on TH-cam 😊👍
Hi Kurt, Loved the video about the 8100. You have found a lovely straight example. They are hard to find. I drove an 8210 4x4 for years. I know the 8210 had a de rated 401 engine which left them dead enough. You had to keep the revs up to to get the best of them. Never drove an 8100 so curios as to how the the industrial engine worked out,.
Those blues were iconic in the day of the great british countryside,, and they still demand the attention,..
Dread to think what he would do for pack of 6 .... great vid as usual
Back in about 1992, I had the pleasure of driving a brand new TW25 that had a power shift gearbox to cart peas to a pea processing factory near to Grantham Lincolnshire.
But the pleasure only lasted for about 2 hours, because after that, the transmission had over-heated and went into limp mode...
It would have been an 8730 👍
@@LordMuck If my memory serves me correctly, the not a "TW 25" power shift transmission was since made programmable to up shift more than one gear at a time, such as in low load, road work situations.
Ahead of its time?
Got that model number wrong too, it was a TW10 and not a TW15
Brilliant, I used to drive one of these back in the day loved it the view from up there was great compared to the 7610s , alas at least twice it had problems with the block leaking water into the oil.
Put that Dorset engine in a D-Series truck and you have trouble with a capital T. I worked for a Manchester haulage company that bought 4 off them in 1965. I was the first mechanic in the country to overhaul one, they seized up for fun and Ford didn't know why and kept just replacing engines, they had to take the 360 cu inch off the assembly line to replace the damaged ones. One day when I was working on one the thermostat opened and when I revved it up the top water hose closed off because it was too soft, the water pumps suction closed the top hose completely until the revs dropped, this caused the flow of water to stop, the engine overheated and seized on No. 5 and 6 cylinders pulling the dry liners down and snapping the bottom of the liners off. I told Ford about this and they immediately changed all top hoses with a better product. The 330 cu in and 4cylinder variants run for ever as did the 360 after a top hose change.
That's a great story. I wonder how many engines were lost due to that hose ?
Lord Muck. I changed three out of the four we had before I found the fault with the top radiator hose so God knows how many were changed across the country but that Ford all over they let the customer do their quality control and find the faults. We had a similar problem with the Trader 75s with the 6D engines, the spill rail was inside the Rocker Cover and when they leaked it filled the sump with diesel, it was only when one off the drivers mentioned that the oil was rising up the dip stick that we realised what was happening.
That is the best seat, have one in my 7700 here in the USA thanks for the info
Yes ! This is brilliant stuff , all the info , history etc , great stuff !
Quality vid mate I only spot the Saunders comment at the end . Epic video I often wondered about the evolution of Ford and what was the true story around County . The 8100 is a very interesting machine , I drove a big 7600 back in the day 2 wheel drive , powerful yoke , done a lot of carting myself in one . Grain Cart 💪✅✅✅
Looking forward to this.. Thanks for sharing kurt...
Saunders bums cats for a cream egg !! ha ha
Hi Kurt, following on from the NH 8970 Power Star engine conversion carried out around 25 years ago on our 8100, a few memories have stirred. I'm getting on a bit now so I stand to be corrected if my memory fails me. Because the whole tractor ended up approximately 10 inches shorter we needed to convert the 8100 from its short wheel base arrangement to a long wheel base arrangement. This of course is quite easily done by turning the whole axle and yoke assembly around. This made the tractor look "right" and in proportion with a standard looking wheel base again.
Do you think that your 8100 with its very long bonnet due to the Dorset engine installation could also benefit from also having its wheel base lengthened ? I remember being told by a fitter that the short wheel base was best for working in restricted areas while the long wheel base was best for large field work. You would of course need the correct drag links which might now be difficult to find.
Another feature of the 8100 is its high gearing for its day. The same fitter told me that the 8100 having a 7700 /6700 rear end which normally ran 14/34 wheels, when equipped with 38 inch rims fitted with high profile 650/18 tyres, the gearing was obviously raised. This feature made it quite popular with dealers who often kept one for delivery work.
The Dorset/ D series is a very good engine which 40 years ago would cost you about £100, normally taken from a Ford lorry. This engine was good for a Fordson Major installation, but the governor was slow coming in at low revs and was all top end. The Dorset engine in our MuirHill is a totally different beast and one gets the impression it would drive right through a house at tick over without stalling.
I always liked the look of the 81's in SWB configuration.
Mine has its factory engine so is set for low down torque and it really does pull well. I had a Super Major with a 6D 590E from a Thames Trader and it went like stink but wasn't much good low down.
@@LordMuck Way back in the late sixties we always wanted a Ford 5000. Fordson Majors seemed so old even then.
We never did get to buy a 5000 but made do later on with a very cheap Muirhill which cost £1,000. Ten years on we bought our 8100 for the then princely sum of £2,000. The engine was done for and hence the Powerstar engine conversion.
Powerstar engines are thin on the ground now but there must be a few about fitted in NH TX 66 combines.
We have one of these engines fitted in our TW 15 loader tractor, rated at 270 hp and revs to 3,000 rpm.
Despite these "modern" tractors, we are still have three Fordsons, (one with a Dorset engine) earning their keep.
The NH Powerstar engines came in at the end of a Golden Age of cheap Tractors and engines that were all mechanically governed, simply to run and work on. I'm pleased that you now have a 8100 and look forward to seeing it "gently" restored,
Ralph
Great video as always! Look forward to seeing more
Good video drove 8210 2 wheel drive in 1985 good tractor
We own a ford 8100 tractor at home and love the yoke
Great video Kurt !!! 🙂👍nice looking 8100 !!! 👍I would like a TW10 but I'm happy with my International 956 but would be happier with a 1455 ☺️👍
great vid Kurt, good to see you back with the older stuff. I bleed green and have a 3650 but am looking forward to seeing more vids on her.
Great explaining history of 8100, definitely buying book for good read, be looking forward for more vids of 8100👍maybe Classic Tractor Magazine future print?
Those lads have produced some excellent books and they're down to earth and produced for people who enjoy tractors and farming. www.tractorbarnproductions.com
Lovely comment about Saunders 😂 can’t he wait till easter
I give him lots of stick but he's a good sport. I reckon I'll owe him an Easter egg this year (or the cats home will....)
Morning Kurt,very interesting.
Good information Kurt.
One of the main problems of the 8100 was the alignment between engine and gearbox some of them used to wear th splines in the pto fly wheel hub and shaft if these went it was a major job cab off split between engine and box and split between box and axle the problem was the tolerances in the engine to box adaptor plate at the time there was a ford service bulletin about it when I lived up Oswestry area there was a contractor from around Wrexham who put a larger Dorset engine in is with a turbo and he used it for local tractor pulling events and it always won its class
Yes it finished a few 81's off.
Good explanation Kurt.
I know exactly what you mean I was a young man who was nuts on tractors and a contractor near cirencester had a 8100 Ford with a 719 forager the music was fantastic to my ears I had a opportunity to drive a muir hill 717 it had a sliding door to get in the cab you sat down in the cab but the tractor that sticks in my mind is a Ford 5000 with a truck engine it was a beast it pulled a Howard 250 rotary spreader and it beat a deutz 370 with a silage trailer the smoke the old girl put out was something else my whole family was upset when she had to go because dad's boss went over to lease hire of massey ferguson s ie 3650s today I have a 3650on our own farm what a tractor but 😁 lol I would say that I love all tractors the tractor cab is my favourite place if life gets to demanding take care my old mate
I have just watched your video about the ford 8830 and one of the last things I did in the tractor industry was to go on a course to boreham house on the thirty series circa 1990 we where told that ford had given the gearbox casting to funk transmitions and told them to fit in a18 speed auto Matic transmition and ford where working with another company called dickie John who designed the brain to work the transmition I think the box was fixed Untermeyer the seat just before the tractor came out John deere bought funk transmitions and told told there dealers to say ford where using there gearbox this was not true because most of the internals where off the shelf parts being used in many other automatic gearboxes dickie John where a company that worked with other tractor manufacturers and I think they designed the Massey Ferguson electrical controlled hydraulic system which suffered early on in its life with damp uk weather
The Ford Funk unit was different to the JD Powershift in that it was less robust but much more refined.
Yes, Dickie John did a lot of groundbreaking electronic control systems that today we take for granted.
I must admit I would do many things for a cream egg but I draw the line at poking a cat's tea towel holder
We had one. Didn’t do much with it. Was fast enough I thought on the road.
He has his priorities right, sort the seat first. The day of standing up and using your knees as a shock absorber are long gone
why didnt you look at Steyr ? :) there lowest 6 zyl tractor was 85HP (Steyr 8100)and the biggest 165HP (Steyr 8180) the Steyr 8130 with 110HP later ones with 115HP would have been perfect for you :)
And where in 1977 would we in the UK have bought one ?
People wanted Fords not a tractor without dealer back-up.
Roll on 6-7 years later and there were a few Steyrs being imported.
@@LordMuck Any chance that there will ever be a Steyr video ? or are you not fond of them
Love them 😎
Was 9700 replaced TW20 as they were 153Hp
No, TW20 replaced 9700, TW10 replaced 8700 and they then introduced the TW30
Another project. 👍 So has the JCB 3c project been completed?
It was done over 18 months ago, fully rebuilt engine, ancillaries, bushes, pipes etc, just needs a bit of welding on the cab and a coat of paint but I'm not doing that. I have about 5 other projects on the go and as the 3C was completed I had room for another.
I’ve just brought my first tractor got a Massey Ferguson 3630 it’s in good condition so doesn’t need a restoration just a few little gremlins to sort out a little leak from a filter and the left side door mainly and a few electrical gremlins in the dash nothing major very Pleased with it although I seem to have to same worry over it as I do my own children hope that feeling goes away as the misses feels like she’s now sharing me with the tractor 😂
Really interesting hearing about the history of the 8100 and the other models in Ford's line up at the time. I know it came a few years after but where did the 7810 fit in? I remember when I was driving a 7710 being very jealous of the smart 7810 the neighbouring farmer had. But looking back now, for a 6 cylinder tractor the 7810 was in the 100hp range, about the same as the 7710. Who bought the 7810 rather than a 4 cylinder 7710 or going up into the 8000 series or even a TW? They seemed popular at the time but wondering what the selling point was now!
78 came along well in to the Gen 2's and was competition for the CaseIH 956XL, Case 1594, JD3350 etc.
Well balanced, smooth pulling, fairly compact 6cyl.
@@LordMuck Thanks for that, yeah that makes sense, 7810 certainly was a compact tractor compared to the 8000s which looked massive by comparison. We also ran a 2WD IH 1056XL along side the 7710. Loved that tractor, the sound it made was amazing. Much more power low down that the 7710 - needed the turbo spun up to get the power!
Remember by the time the 10 Series (and the later 00 Series) had began, the big 8000's had gone, replaced by the TW's. The only 8000 left and to continue was the 8210.
@@LordMuck Oh didn't realize the 8210 was the only 8000 left at that time. Never saw many TWs where I lived (Northumberland) but the big 30 series Power Shifts seemed to get popular - didn't realise they replaced the TWs until your video. Thanks again love your videos.
Well then laddie i worked at Mann Egerton Ber Street Norwich from 1976-1980, fond memories
I can remember seeing tractors there. Can you imagine that now ?
@@LordMuck No but i can remember the police escort when they delivered a new New holland combine by road with the header on
Great vid mucker keep em coming.
Contractor on our farm had one and ran it 24 hours a day, think it was W reg
I have 8100 4wd and i would to know have cardan speed,and when i drive i 1000/min rpm tractor going jump and slow have incjetor problem or something elese?
He’s going to love you for that 😂
aup paul , great 955xl u have ! very tidy mate, I working on mine at moment 2wd version love em 👍👍
my Dad had one for years, bought new in 1979, kept thinking he should of waited for a TW10 as it was used as a ploughing tractor. From memory the engine needed constant overhauls on it, it kept breaking the rear wheels and in the end (as it had 2 assistor rams on it the rear housing cracked up around the pto shaft and then the final drive That said a good tractor through remembered with fond memories as in 1980 it was a big tractor to me
I think they only ever had one assisted ram which was the biggest issue. Personally I'd take a 2715e over a 401 especially for longevity of life once you'd sorted any issues.
For heavy work TW would have been worth waiting for.
8100 was designed primarily to give more grunt driving foragers, not for heavy draught work.
@@LordMuck yes, it came with one assistor ram on the left. The tractor, upon getting a 180-90 was downgraded in the early 80s to a 3m power harrow drill and an extra ram was added because of this. Boy was it slow to lift though. I guess the weight of the drill pull too hard on the top link cracking the rear end around the pto area. However a steel plate was made to hold it together and it carried on for many years until the underside of the epicyclic housing cracked on the right hand axle. That said, even with engine woes it was an ok tractor. It was sold with the problems back in 2000 for £2k. The paintwork, tinwork, metalwork and inside the cab was still almost like new still with no dents or rot. It would of been an great restoration project.
Yes I had heard it was really a pto tractor and also in Belgium where it was designed, they wanted a high speed road tractor. Our one would do probably 25mph on the road. Scary considering everything else in those days was doing about 17mph
I found the original receipt for it recently. It came from D Rowe & Co chichester with a 4 furrow ransome plough back in Sept 79
Those were all the same issues Doe's had when fitting single and twin assisters, including having to fit plates and brackets etc, nearly every one built being slightly different.
8100 was designed back in Basildon, not Belgium but EVA in Belgium had the bathtub carrier from their own 7000 series adaptions so this was a simple fix. The design team at County wanted to beef it up further but Ford didn't want it to just become another County product so it always just fell short of it's true potential.
Fiat 180-90 was another example of a great tractor being pushed just a little too far with many of them suffering crown wheel failure. Lovely tractors though all the same.
A good tidy up is all what needs to be said for a lot of these tractors out here... worst thing I think you can do is put a coat of paint on something that doesn’t need it especially if it’s the wrong colour 🙄
Francis, you are going to hate me, because I am painting my Ford 4000 pink... (just kidding) a darker blue than the standard Ford blue, it is closer to the New Holland blue. I wish I had the coin to have it professionally done because this tractor deserves it. But with covid, my business has been cut down drastically, I was shut down for 3 months and now am getting a very small amount of business here in Canada. But I had the time because I was not working, and I wanted a local less expensive source for the right type of paint. The local tractor restoration guy said the paint I was using is the same type (different manufacturer) as the Ford blue he uses and it would not cause any problems if at a later date I wanted him to restore it. The bottom line is that I want to protect the tin work. Here in Canada, it is hard to find 50 year old tractors with good tin. I think it looks great, and to be honest with you, the tractor now looks like it is respected by the owner (me), rather than like so many we see here left to rot! I hope you can forgive me!
Sounds sweet as a nut. beast of a tractor 🚜 back in the day.
I like how you keep them original, an don't paint
Wow, thats a great tractor, and great Sound 🚜😊. How old is it?.
40 years old
@@LordMuck it is looking very good, for its age🙂🚜.
Yaaay evening pal. Gotta love a bit of old school. How’s the Deere coming along?
Deere is almost done, just replaced an O ring on the hydraulic system. Got a new set of original front fenders for it.
I want that book here in USA
Good video 👍🏻
Great video very interesting muck, what a coincidence were on about changing one of our claas's for a Ford 8630 super q or something similar , we just want something with a bit more grunt on the spreader, and have always wanted one beautiful machines they are and are there any things I should look out for when buying one? Any common problems, would be much appreciated cheers muck
If it's an 8630, find out if it's had a replacement block/engine and if it's around 5000 hours just be careful.
Check transmission through all gears backwards and forwards (there's details about fault codes online)
The rest is just straight forward stuff.
Your right about a good deal. You get one chance. Jump at it.
Be interesting seeing how you get on 👍. Hope you have more restraint than me. My trac is now in pieces 😂😣
The struggle is real...
@@LordMuck the only consolation you can have is 1. Yours isn't german and 2. You dont need to take your trousers down for parts!😣
You can get parts easy enough, I don't know what you've been told.... ah, maybe I can see what they're hoping you'll do....
I'm not as cheap as the going rate of a cream egg😂.
Looking forward to the progress videos in this project. Ps does George even like CATS
intersting video
i just spat coffee all over my keyboard. Right where do i get a creme egg???
Can you bye the book
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Hahahah the writing on the board