For those of you who don't know, The Lazarus Effect is when someone dies (typically from cardiac arrest) & after CPR failed they suddenly revive after 10 to 20 minutes.
@@SyntellYeah, in 1993, that was when the term was used. The technical term is autoresuscitation. The doctor who called it the Lazarus Effect based it on the biblical story of Jesus' resurrection of Lazarus four days after confirmation of his death.
I’m going to start by saying that I love Rose as a companion. She wasn’t the most traditionally intelligent companion the Doctor has ever had, but she had empathy, and emotional intelligence. She was a good “first” companion for the reboot. She showed the Doctor love, and joy, and brought him out of his PTSD issues. That said, Martha is a phenomenal companion. She is brilliant, and insightful, and absolutely stands up to the Doctor when she should. She is more mature, and knows her own mind. She isn’t afraid to do what’s right, and she is on a more equal footing to the Doctor. Lots of people used to give Martha crap as a character, because she had an infatuation with the Doctor, but he was still obviously hung up on Rose. But Martha is so much more than a swooning love interest. There are some upcoming episodes that really showcase Freema’s acting abilities, and highlight what a stellar companion Martha is, and I can’t wait for you to see those. As always, love every one of your Who reactions, and keep em coming!
@@IsiahBradley we sure do. I always say that one of the most amazing things about this show is the quality of the actors. Every single doctor and companion just absolutely tear up the scenery. They’re all so good. It’s ok to prefer one companion to another, or one Doctor over another, but you gotta admit, they all do just beautiful work. Even on some of the “sillier” episodes.
@@amberdulay7238 I agree, but I feel bad that Martha/Freeman got steamrolled between the chemistry of Tennant-Piper and the absolute phenomenon of Tennant-[CENSORED], on- *and* off-Who. And I *love* Tennant-[CENSORED]. And it would have been nice if Freema had been in a Christmas special. I take consolation in the fact that she was the companion in the first "Doctor Who" animated product.
Martha is amazing. I get annoyed by fans who act like being in love or infatuated is all she is when it's a small part -- and not a crime either, which some people seem to think.
When the doctor mentions reversing the polarity that was a reference to the classic show when the 3rd Doctor would say he was reversing the polarity to fix something a lot
14:54 Yeah, the Doc doesn't need a gun. In an 8th Doctor audio he rolls up one time and says "Stand back I'm armed," and his foe says, "So am I," and he says: "Yeah, but that's just a gun. I've got a Screwdriver!" I liked this episode, except for the questionable CGI, but you all don't even mention it, so cool. I love immortals too, I saw The Old Guard too, it was a good movie. You like immortals you're gonna like my book when it's done, no spoilers, just saying, but my vamps and their rivals have an interesting way around the curses of long life. Can't wait for the next episode, don't be kickin no puppies till then!
Martha is my favorite companion, and lemme tell you when this came out people DID NOT like her! Im so glad ya'll are vibing with her too, Martha needs so much more love. She's great!
*They sure didn't!* On one level you get it because Rose was the central character of the show (and Who fans didn't like that at first, either!) But I remember that the British right-wing press tried to find every problem, real or imagined, between her and the showrunners of "Who" and "Torchwood!"
Let’s call a spade a spade here. Most of the people who didn’t like Martha were just racists. Which is disgusting, and has zero place in a show about found family, hope, adventure, and finding the beauty in things that are different.
@@Syntell I think that's the only reason people like Rose so much, our first companion are always special. Personally I find her annoying , I tried to like her because I love the actress but I can't 😂
he's mentioned as giving the order to shoot down the Racnoss Star and there was a poster in the alleyway where The Doctor and Martha meet at the end of their first episode.
The Doctor's actions inspire those around him. It USUALLY leads to good things. Like Martha and her sister risking their lives to provoke the monster. Looking forward to your reaction to the rest of this season.
Kind deeds often times come with consequences. But that's the nature of growth. Unfortunately some of the Doctors kind actions come with an occasional body count from time to time.
Freema Agyeman was 27 years old at the time of filming her character Martha Jones is suppose to be either 23 or 25. Harold Saxon you haven't met yet...but he has been slightly mentioned previously in "Love & Monsters" and "The Runaway Bride" who ordered the racnoss ship to be destroyed. Mark Gatiss who played Lazarus is a real life long time Dr. Who fan as he had written Dr. Who books/novels during the wilderness years when there was no Dr. Who on television during the 1990's he also played The Doctor in a parody Dr. Who sketch he did with Little Britain star David Walliams he has also written a few Dr. Who episodes such as "The Unquiet Dead" but I won't name the rest as it's spoilery and yes he also played Minecroft in "Sherlock". It's nice to see Martha's family alittle bit but the families of the companions is not a storyline I'm particulary invested in with the show I have to say the scene where Francine smacks the Doctor was kind of getting abit irritating by this point it was funny once with Jackie but it constantly started to get abit irritating and annoying. I know there's some people who complain about the outdated CGI it personally doesn't bother me it's not the effects that make Dr. Who it's the characters and the stories. Overall it's a great story probaly the most underrated and deserved abit more than it did.
I know it's a little while, but I'm really excited for your reaction to Season 5 and onward, because that is when my top 2 favorite Doctor's make their debut and also it's the era of Doctor Who I grew up on.
Yes, @Syntell, this is Upgrade Central! LOL!!! (And I'm sure I'm older than both of you and I'm still okay with it!! LMAO!!!) Okay, you've officially made me beyond happy now because you finally got to one of my favorite Martha stories!!! Starring my main man Mycroft, the co-creator of "Sherlock," the only show to replace "Doctor Who" as first in my heart!!! (I'm sure folks on Patreon have told you Mark Gatiss is a "Who" contributing writer and acts everywhere.) Here are all the aspects of Martha I love in one episode. (And more Gugu! WOO-WOO :)) I'm now gonna stop bothering you and be patient from now on.... :) THANKS for this!!!
Love this!!!! Mycroft's character is such a joy to watch in Sherlock. You're about to make me break out my Sherlock episodes with a bottle of wine and indulge.
@@Syntell Like the first four seasons of Nu Who I have all 13 episodes of the Baker Street Boys memorized :) . I only watched it because I caught 30 seconds of it on PBS and I was so familiar with Who's production values I recognized the *style* (yes, I need help :)). So I watched the end of S3 ep 1, caught the wedding episode and all of a sudden I was Sherlocked :) I even went back and watched all the Rathbone movies! I'm told CBS' "Elementary" is a much better show *on levels* but I can't make myself watch it. Like our Baker Street hero I am a limited human being and I like it!
Absolutely! Martha is shown to be brave as hell, caring (even under duress), self-respecting ("All or nothing, Doctor!") and smart as hell. Freema Agyeman's only problem here is that she's so devastatingly beautiful it's a distraction to all the qualities she's put into Martha.
You probably know that Mark Gatiss writes for Dr Who as well as playing Professor Lazarus though he didn't write this one. But did you know that one of the two writers credited on iMDB, of this episode is Sydney Newman? He wrote quite a lot of the Dr Who stories in the past but more importantly, it was he that first came up with the idea and the series in the 1960's, it was he that came up with Regeneration. I don't know why they keep on crediting him on iMDB as he died in 1997 but they still list him on a load of episodes ???
Great, now you guys are grasping the curse and the bravity of the Time Lord. The sad sad reality of living for 100's of years. Great stuff and food for thought. Stay cool guys 😎👍
Mark Gatiss is super talented, creator, writer, actor, director, screenwriter, novelist and comedian. He is incredibly modest too. Russell T, Mark G and Stephen Moffat are the golden trio.🔥🧡
@@Syntell Writer on _Doctor Who_ and co-creator with Steven Moffat of _Sherlock._ Also a member of the comedy troupe, the League of Gentleman. He recently won an Olivier (British theatre award) as Best Actor. David Tennant and Andrew Scott (Moriarty in _Sherlock)_ were also nominated in the category.
i guess it could be considered talented to be bad or as i usually call it British at writing. all his who episodes are mid at best and have really lame conclusions though thats dr who in general. definitely a better actor than writer but i guess he does write in a style that will live up to the quirkiness of classic who so.... perhaps intended?
Freema Agyeman is in her 40s, but I just watched a con panel with her in it and she has not aged much that I could see. She is very good in _Sense8_ also.
Some people diss the effects of the monster here but if u look at some of the movies released in early 2000s , the effects hold up ok ..... ps, for me a great, fun run around sort of episode with 1 or 2 life lessons sprinkled in....
@@IsiahBradley true! Lol... but if u watch the mummy returns, a Hollywood movie from that era, the effect of the scorpion king is probably WORSE than this..! But yes, classic who....
"Really shouldn't take that long to reverse the polarity - I must be a bit out of practice" is a nod to the classic series. The Doctor says he will 'reverse the polarity of the neutron flow" a few times in the old show because - as the story goes - the 3rd Doctor, Jon Pertwee, didn't like memorising technobabble, but actually complimented the writers on that phrase, finding it amusing. So the writers wrote it (or just reverse the polarity) in for him a few more times, and then for other doctors as a continuity reference. And so Gatiss is reviving it, because he's all about the Continuity references. This was a 35 year old ref when the ep was aired - Mark Gatiss going deep!
Yall spend the show making jokes and laughing and then drop wisdom like “Even if he wanted to settle down with Martha, that has a shelf life.”. Beautifully said.
“I feel like we should know Harold Saxon?” Maybe you will….. You are correct. The actor who played Mycroft Holmes in Sherlock is this guy, Mark Gatiss, who is playing Professor Lazarus in this story. Gatiss is an actor/writer/producer and director, probably best remembered for playing a number of different roles in a darkly satirical British TV comedy programme called The League of Gentlemen. Gatiss was (and still is), a huge Doctor Who fan, having grown up with the programme during the third Doctor’s era (1970 - 1974). After the classic series of Doctor Who (1963 - 1989) was cancelled during the end of the 1980’s, Gatiss was just one of many fans who would write original Doctor Who stories as novels, in an attempt to keep fandom and the show’s legacy going, eternally hopeful that the show might be brought back one day. When the BBC announced the show’s return in 2004, the new series show runner and head writer, Russell T. Davies (also a big fan of classic Who) asked Gatiss if he would be interested in writing for the new series, to which he replied that he would, and from those initial discussions came the story idea for ‘The Unquiet Dead’ Charles Dickens story in season 1. Gatiss went on from writing that story to write ‘The Idiots Lantern’ story in season 2 and has gone on to write other future NuWho TV stories as well. He appears as an actor in the show later on in the NuWho run, though neither this story nor his appearance in the next Who story was written by him.
"Man, if you don't kiss that girl . . . I just want to grab him by his ears, and just be like, 'What are you doing?'" "He's not over Rose yet. He just refuses to deal with it." The two types of series three viewers.
Now, I do absolutely love Martha she was definitely a highlight of the series, but honestly I wish we got more Tish. She’s smart and funny I think she could’ve added to more local stories like in this episode
Let's be honest, we would have been better off if Lazarus did turn into a gremlin rather than, well, what we got was called. At least we know gremlins can be done convincingly, whereas the effects in this make The Scorpion King from The Mummy 2 look good. One thing New Who does very differently when compared to the Classic era is the companions, specifically their families. In the classic era, once someone stepped into the TARDIS, not a word was heard about their families or anyone left behind. Some joined after their families had died Vicki, Victoria and Nyssa, for example, but for the most part no one seemed to worry about those left behind. Tegan was the first companion with family we were introduced to, and we got a few episodes with Peri's stepfather (kind of). I think it helped make the new series, to be honest, as it is far more relatable for the viewer.
I won't give away spoilers, but you guys are talking about the burden of the Time Lords being functionally immortal. There's an episode coming that... Hoo boy... the fury of the Time Lords.
NAILED it! He’s Sherlock’s brother. You guys don’t have a reaction on that, do you? I didn’t see it in your list. My personal favorite version of Sherlock. I’d even watch you rewatch it I love it so much.
Oh, time when it is unlimited is absolutely a curse. It's like money; when you have more than you can possibly spend in a lifetime, it loses all meaning if value. Only when we see it as finite and precious can we attach significant meaning to that which we have. And sonewhat like money, there's no telling how much we're going to have to spend across our life, so sometimes you have to choose to spend on things/people/experiences when you'll regret not doing so... or vice versa, saying no to spending time on things that you would want to spend on something else, or save for later. There's a quote from an episode I can't remember if you've seen yet, so I won't put it here, but it speaks to the Doctor's psychology in why he travels, why he avoids going the "slow path" (as Madame de Pompadour put it) like the rest of us, and I think it has to do with how time and its passage looks different to him than it does to us humans. Rekkai makes a good point that Martha and Rose have different family dynamics and situations, so it plays out differently in this season too. Although we hadn't seen then much until this episode, I think it's telling that one of the first things we see about Martha is what her family situation is like and how they interact with her. There was conflict around her brother's bday party and everyone called Martha to have her mediate. In her family, Martha is the one who serves as the peacekeeper, the calm and mature person that everyone relies on. I think they are not used to Martha putting her own wants and needs first, but now in this episode she's come back and is acting differently, asserting what she wants to do, rather than being passive and doing what the others want. I think that's why her mom feels something's off,because for Martha it's been days or weeks, but for them it's just been a few hours, hakf a day at most.
There's a touch of The Quatermass Experiment - one of Doctor Who's forerunners, a sci-fi serial that went out live in 1955 - about the conclusion to this one.
Always never got the hate for this episode. I don't think it's that bad. I'll say this, back in Victorian and Edwardian times, 21 was the age that was considered to be an adult rather than 18 nowadays.
*** possible vague spoiler warning for people watching this who are new to who other than you all because you have watched past this point in your reactions and now I think this disclaimer is long enough to be under the more thing but honestly, it really shouldn’t matter*** At about 26:00 where you were talking about immortality made me start thinking about a certain favorite character 👀 that shouldn’t be a spoiler for you all because you are past that in your reactions now, but I am being vague in case people who are new are reading this.
If you think the episodes have been strong so far in season 3 then you ain’t seen nothing yet. The first half of this season is so weak compared to the second half…! Like, it’s almost two different shows the difference in the quality in the second half of the season.
while i enjoyed most episodes on a first watch going back through outside of being a dirty old man i just look at the stories and these first 6 for me are pretty dull. also freema is cute and all but her voice bugs me a bit when it cracks when she gets excited or screams etc. also im a breast man so sadly donna was my fav cause that wedding dress was probably the most cleavage we got since like classic who. sadly i think half of each season is full of episodes i generally skip on personal rewatches. a bit more tolerable in reactions since its cut down but then i can also play at 2x lol. i dunno about the statement about black families and not having much therapy. i think thats more a generation thing than a racial thing. i think therapy is more common these days. but figure this was what this was 2007 and martha was probably in her mid 20s i know i went through a lot of shit as a kid mostly because my dad was too stupid to realize beating my ass wasnt making me fall in line and that he needed a different approach. but nah you hit them till they do what you tell them to do. wish he gave me a black eye sooner than high school my life could have turned out drastically different if i didnt grow up with all that bs. sad thing too is i had lots of therapy as a kid though my dad probably needed it more. and not that they even understood my condition as a kid it was more the school system just trying to get with a problem kid. send him to therapy and special schools to get him out of our school. my parents just went with whatever was recommended because the schools didnt want to deal with a bad acting child and the parents assume the school knows whats best. so no one wanting to deal with the issue properly
There can be tension between the doctor and the companion, but usually it doesn’t go beyond that, at the point you are at in Season 3. The doctor and rose were never actually together. And Im pretty sure the doctor never had a relationship with any of the companions before in the old series, but feel free to fact check that, I could be wrong. It wasn’t till Rose that there was an implication of something more. But they still never did anything about it. What comes after this point is complicated and I won’t spoil anything, but romantic relationships with the doctor was not a thing for most of the Who cannon..even though the companions always wish it were different, lol
@@Syntell I love that you guys are genuinely enjoying it. Dr who isn’t for everyone, it can be a little silly, but I love seeing you guys appreciate it
Some people diss the effects of the monster here but if u look at some of the movies released in early 2000s , the effects hold up ok ..... ps, for me a great, fun run around sort of episode with 1 or 2 life lessons sprinkled in....
@@SyntellHalf of doctors who's charm is seeing what they can do with string, celotape and a budget amounting to the coins you find in the sides of your couch lol.
@@Syntellthe versatility of the shows stories and the range of themes and messages the show can give are truly what carries it. It is almost always at least good and has reached peaks that are amongst my favourite moments in all television. The emotional heart of the show outways any budgetary limitations by a lightyear
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For those of you who don't know, The Lazarus Effect is when someone dies (typically from cardiac arrest) & after CPR failed they suddenly revive after 10 to 20 minutes.
WOW! I didn't know! THANKS!!!
I had no idea that was an actual term.
wow
@@SyntellYeah, in 1993, that was when the term was used. The technical term is autoresuscitation. The doctor who called it the Lazarus Effect based it on the biblical story of Jesus' resurrection of Lazarus four days after confirmation of his death.
I had no idea! Learned something new today!
I’m going to start by saying that I love Rose as a companion. She wasn’t the most traditionally intelligent companion the Doctor has ever had, but she had empathy, and emotional intelligence. She was a good “first” companion for the reboot. She showed the Doctor love, and joy, and brought him out of his PTSD issues.
That said, Martha is a phenomenal companion. She is brilliant, and insightful, and absolutely stands up to the Doctor when she should. She is more mature, and knows her own mind. She isn’t afraid to do what’s right, and she is on a more equal footing to the Doctor. Lots of people used to give Martha crap as a character, because she had an infatuation with the Doctor, but he was still obviously hung up on Rose. But Martha is so much more than a swooning love interest. There are some upcoming episodes that really showcase Freema’s acting abilities, and highlight what a stellar companion Martha is, and I can’t wait for you to see those.
As always, love every one of your Who reactions, and keep em coming!
And we see everything you mention about Martha in just this one episode!
@@IsiahBradley we sure do. I always say that one of the most amazing things about this show is the quality of the actors. Every single doctor and companion just absolutely tear up the scenery. They’re all so good. It’s ok to prefer one companion to another, or one Doctor over another, but you gotta admit, they all do just beautiful work. Even on some of the “sillier” episodes.
@@amberdulay7238 I agree, but I feel bad that Martha/Freeman got steamrolled between the chemistry of Tennant-Piper and the absolute phenomenon of Tennant-[CENSORED], on- *and* off-Who. And I *love* Tennant-[CENSORED]. And it would have been nice if Freema had been in a Christmas special. I take consolation in the fact that she was the companion in the first "Doctor Who" animated product.
Love this comment. And we are so grateful for all of the support.
Martha is amazing. I get annoyed by fans who act like being in love or infatuated is all she is when it's a small part -- and not a crime either, which some people seem to think.
David Tennant looks great with a bow tie, but a certain someone looks even better with a bow tie.
I nearly choked at "played hopscotch with Moses" 😂😂
"His early millions" 😂
🤣😂
When the doctor mentions reversing the polarity that was a reference to the classic show when the 3rd Doctor would say he was reversing the polarity to fix something a lot
"Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow" :)
Gotta love pseudo-science.
He actually said it like one or two times tops and it got memed into being his catchphrase by the general public
@@SyntellJust don't try to reverse the polarity while someone else is.
@@kyrauniversal you won't reverse the polarity, you'll confuse the polarity
Enjoying watching you experience these episodes for the first time.
Thank you for taking the time to hang out with us.
14:54 Yeah, the Doc doesn't need a gun. In an 8th Doctor audio he rolls up one time and says "Stand back I'm armed," and his foe says, "So am I," and he says: "Yeah, but that's just a gun. I've got a Screwdriver!"
I liked this episode, except for the questionable CGI, but you all don't even mention it, so cool.
I love immortals too, I saw The Old Guard too, it was a good movie. You like immortals you're gonna like my book when it's done, no spoilers, just saying, but my vamps and their rivals have an interesting way around the curses of long life.
Can't wait for the next episode, don't be kickin no puppies till then!
CGI can sometimes be overrated if there isn't great story attached with it. I'd much rather have "ok" CGI and great story over the latter.
The way y’all thirst for Martha is so funny
And so real!!! 'Cause they're watching it now the way I did back then :)
Martha is my favorite companion, and lemme tell you when this came out people DID NOT like her! Im so glad ya'll are vibing with her too, Martha needs so much more love. She's great!
*They sure didn't!* On one level you get it because Rose was the central character of the show (and Who fans didn't like that at first, either!) But I remember that the British right-wing press tried to find every problem, real or imagined, between her and the showrunners of "Who" and "Torchwood!"
Let’s call a spade a spade here. Most of the people who didn’t like Martha were just racists. Which is disgusting, and has zero place in a show about found family, hope, adventure, and finding the beauty in things that are different.
Rose was my first companion so she'll always have a special place. But Martha. . . . I'm all in.
@@Syntell Wait another 74 episodes or so and you'll be like Who Culture and the Breakroom--doing rankings, etc. :)
@@Syntell I think that's the only reason people like Rose so much, our first companion are always special. Personally I find her annoying , I tried to like her because I love the actress but I can't 😂
Ten had flashbacks to Jackie with that smack across the face.
I'm loving the new Tardis background Rekkai has. Are we sure Rekkai didn't still the Tardis from the Doctor?
"Immortality isn't living forever. That's not what it feels like. Immortality is everybody else dying."
Harold saxon has been mentioned a few times this season.... his name was even in a newspaper being read in the Xmas special....
Thanks, I missed that.
And on posters you see in the background and even on tourchwood season 1
I've got my peepers out for him now.
@@Syntell👀
he's mentioned as giving the order to shoot down the Racnoss Star and there was a poster in the alleyway where The Doctor and Martha meet at the end of their first episode.
The Doctor's actions inspire those around him. It USUALLY leads to good things. Like Martha and her sister risking their lives to provoke the monster. Looking forward to your reaction to the rest of this season.
Kind deeds often times come with consequences. But that's the nature of growth. Unfortunately some of the Doctors kind actions come with an occasional body count from time to time.
@@SyntellThink of The TARDIS and her point of view, though. Yikes.
Freema Agyeman was 27 years old at the time of filming her character Martha Jones is suppose to be either 23 or 25.
Harold Saxon you haven't met yet...but he has been slightly mentioned previously in "Love & Monsters" and "The Runaway Bride" who ordered the racnoss ship to be destroyed.
Mark Gatiss who played Lazarus is a real life long time Dr. Who fan as he had written Dr. Who books/novels during the wilderness years when there was no Dr. Who on television during the 1990's he also played The Doctor in a parody Dr. Who sketch he did with Little Britain star David Walliams he has also written a few Dr. Who episodes such as "The Unquiet Dead" but I won't name the rest as it's spoilery and yes he also played Minecroft in "Sherlock".
It's nice to see Martha's family alittle bit but the families of the companions is not a storyline I'm particulary invested in with the show I have to say the scene where Francine smacks the Doctor was kind of getting abit irritating by this point it was funny once with Jackie but it constantly started to get abit irritating and annoying.
I know there's some people who complain about the outdated CGI it personally doesn't bother me it's not the effects that make Dr. Who it's the characters and the stories.
Overall it's a great story probaly the most underrated and deserved abit more than it did.
Martha's mother isn't wrong to worry. She knows something's up with this guy.
I know it's a little while, but I'm really excited for your reaction to Season 5 and onward, because that is when my top 2 favorite Doctor's make their debut and also it's the era of Doctor Who I grew up on.
Yes, @Syntell, this is Upgrade Central! LOL!!! (And I'm sure I'm older than both of you and I'm still okay with it!! LMAO!!!) Okay, you've officially made me beyond happy now because you finally got to one of my favorite Martha stories!!! Starring my main man Mycroft, the co-creator of "Sherlock," the only show to replace "Doctor Who" as first in my heart!!! (I'm sure folks on Patreon have told you Mark Gatiss is a "Who" contributing writer and acts everywhere.) Here are all the aspects of Martha I love in one episode. (And more Gugu! WOO-WOO :)) I'm now gonna stop bothering you and be patient from now on.... :) THANKS for this!!!
I'm actually grateful that you beat me to it. I was too excited to figure out how I was going to explain this. Yes, that's Mark Gatiss.
@@momof3plusdsg You think I'm not?!? LOL! I get so happy on this site when it's Who time I can barely type :)
Love this!!!!
Mycroft's character is such a joy to watch in Sherlock.
You're about to make me break out my Sherlock episodes with a bottle of wine and indulge.
@@Syntellooh wee sounds like a fiine time :)
@@Syntell Like the first four seasons of Nu Who I have all 13 episodes of the Baker Street Boys memorized :) . I only watched it because I caught 30 seconds of it on PBS and I was so familiar with Who's production values I recognized the *style* (yes, I need help :)). So I watched the end of S3 ep 1, caught the wedding episode and all of a sudden I was Sherlocked :) I even went back and watched all the Rathbone movies! I'm told CBS' "Elementary" is a much better show *on levels* but I can't make myself watch it. Like our Baker Street hero I am a limited human being and I like it!
Very underated episode I don't care what anyone says 😂
Absolutely! Martha is shown to be brave as hell, caring (even under duress), self-respecting ("All or nothing, Doctor!") and smart as hell. Freema Agyeman's only problem here is that she's so devastatingly beautiful it's a distraction to all the qualities she's put into Martha.
Martha or bust!!!!
Getting to know more about her and her family has been a joy.
You probably know that Mark Gatiss writes for Dr Who as well as playing Professor Lazarus though he didn't write this one. But did you know that one of the two writers credited on iMDB, of this episode is Sydney Newman? He wrote quite a lot of the Dr Who stories in the past but more importantly, it was he that first came up with the idea and the series in the 1960's, it was he that came up with Regeneration. I don't know why they keep on crediting him on iMDB as he died in 1997 but they still list him on a load of episodes ???
Great, now you guys are grasping the curse and the bravity of the Time Lord.
The sad sad reality of living for 100's of years. Great stuff and food for thought.
Stay cool guys 😎👍
Enjoying both your reactions on this, more is to come on Martha family, that's all I'm saying
Mark Gatiss is super talented, creator, writer, actor, director, screenwriter, novelist and comedian. He is incredibly modest too. Russell T, Mark G and Stephen Moffat are the golden trio.🔥🧡
I had no idea he had so many talents.
@@Syntell Writer on _Doctor Who_ and co-creator with Steven Moffat of _Sherlock._ Also a member of the comedy troupe, the League of Gentleman. He recently won an Olivier (British theatre award) as Best Actor. David Tennant and Andrew Scott (Moriarty in _Sherlock)_ were also nominated in the category.
Hes a big horror buff and his adaptations of MR James stories have become a Christmas fixture.
@@simongiles9749 He did a really interesting documentary on horror.
i guess it could be considered talented to be bad or as i usually call it British at writing. all his who episodes are mid at best and have really lame conclusions though thats dr who in general. definitely a better actor than writer but i guess he does write in a style that will live up to the quirkiness of classic who so.... perhaps intended?
Freema Agyeman is in her 40s, but I just watched a con panel with her in it and she has not aged much that I could see. She is very good in _Sense8_ also.
She was in the UK version of Law & Order a big US hospital drama and she just looks amazing.
@@OldManFerdiad Yes, the only one who could look good in that white wig. She is great in that too.
When you said kicking puppies it made me think of The Good Place lol. Have either of you watched that? Heck of a tv show
So EXCITED!!!!
Some people diss the effects of the monster here but if u look at some of the movies released in early 2000s , the effects hold up ok ..... ps, for me a great, fun run around sort of episode with 1 or 2 life lessons sprinkled in....
For BBC 2007/2008, this is GREAT! I mean, the Classic Show (which I *love*).... :)
@@IsiahBradley true! Lol... but if u watch the mummy returns, a Hollywood movie from that era, the effect of the scorpion king is probably WORSE than this..! But yes, classic who....
@@space1999 I can't watch this episode w/out remembering The Scorpion King, glad I'm not alone!
@@R.senals_Arsenal I share your pain....
Regarding your "immortality" discussion at the end, you might want to check the movie "The Man from Earth", which has an interesting take on it.
"Really shouldn't take that long to reverse the polarity - I must be a bit out of practice" is a nod to the classic series.
The Doctor says he will 'reverse the polarity of the neutron flow" a few times in the old show because - as the story goes - the 3rd Doctor, Jon Pertwee, didn't like memorising technobabble, but actually complimented the writers on that phrase, finding it amusing. So the writers wrote it (or just reverse the polarity) in for him a few more times, and then for other doctors as a continuity reference.
And so Gatiss is reviving it, because he's all about the Continuity references. This was a 35 year old ref when the ep was aired - Mark Gatiss going deep!
Yall spend the show making jokes and laughing and then drop wisdom like “Even if he wanted to settle down with Martha, that has a shelf life.”. Beautifully said.
Tragic but said beautifully
“I feel like we should know Harold Saxon?”
Maybe you will…..
You are correct. The actor who played Mycroft Holmes in Sherlock is this guy, Mark Gatiss, who is playing Professor Lazarus in this story. Gatiss is an actor/writer/producer and director, probably best remembered for playing a number of different roles in a darkly satirical British TV comedy programme called The League of Gentlemen. Gatiss was (and still is), a huge Doctor Who fan, having grown up with the programme during the third Doctor’s era (1970 - 1974).
After the classic series of Doctor Who (1963 - 1989) was cancelled during the end of the 1980’s, Gatiss was just one of many fans who would write original Doctor Who stories as novels, in an attempt to keep fandom and the show’s legacy going, eternally hopeful that the show might be brought back one day. When the BBC announced the show’s return in 2004, the new series show runner and head writer, Russell T. Davies (also a big fan of classic Who) asked Gatiss if he would be interested in writing for the new series, to which he replied that he would, and from those initial discussions came the story idea for ‘The Unquiet Dead’ Charles Dickens story in season 1.
Gatiss went on from writing that story to write ‘The Idiots Lantern’ story in season 2 and has gone on to write other future NuWho TV stories as well. He appears as an actor in the show later on in the NuWho run, though neither this story nor his appearance in the next Who story was written by him.
Indeed.
This episode used to really scare me as a child lol
Yall should watch sense8 It's a great show and has Freema Agyeman in it
"Man, if you don't kiss that girl . . . I just want to grab him by his ears, and just be like, 'What are you doing?'"
"He's not over Rose yet. He just refuses to deal with it."
The two types of series three viewers.
Say what you want about Rose or Donna, but Dr. Jones is incomparable.
You're one away from one of my favorite two parters.
Now, I do absolutely love Martha she was definitely a highlight of the series, but honestly I wish we got more Tish. She’s smart and funny I think she could’ve added to more local stories like in this episode
Freema Agyeman should be most famous in USA from the medical show New Amsterdam.
Let's be honest, we would have been better off if Lazarus did turn into a gremlin rather than, well, what we got was called. At least we know gremlins can be done convincingly, whereas the effects in this make The Scorpion King from The Mummy 2 look good.
One thing New Who does very differently when compared to the Classic era is the companions, specifically their families. In the classic era, once someone stepped into the TARDIS, not a word was heard about their families or anyone left behind. Some joined after their families had died Vicki, Victoria and Nyssa, for example, but for the most part no one seemed to worry about those left behind. Tegan was the first companion with family we were introduced to, and we got a few episodes with Peri's stepfather (kind of). I think it helped make the new series, to be honest, as it is far more relatable for the viewer.
I won't give away spoilers, but you guys are talking about the burden of the Time Lords being functionally immortal. There's an episode coming that... Hoo boy... the fury of the Time Lords.
NAILED it! He’s Sherlock’s brother. You guys don’t have a reaction on that, do you? I didn’t see it in your list. My personal favorite version of Sherlock. I’d even watch you rewatch it I love it so much.
Oh, time when it is unlimited is absolutely a curse. It's like money; when you have more than you can possibly spend in a lifetime, it loses all meaning if value. Only when we see it as finite and precious can we attach significant meaning to that which we have. And sonewhat like money, there's no telling how much we're going to have to spend across our life, so sometimes you have to choose to spend on things/people/experiences when you'll regret not doing so... or vice versa, saying no to spending time on things that you would want to spend on something else, or save for later. There's a quote from an episode I can't remember if you've seen yet, so I won't put it here, but it speaks to the Doctor's psychology in why he travels, why he avoids going the "slow path" (as Madame de Pompadour put it) like the rest of us, and I think it has to do with how time and its passage looks different to him than it does to us humans.
Rekkai makes a good point that Martha and Rose have different family dynamics and situations, so it plays out differently in this season too. Although we hadn't seen then much until this episode, I think it's telling that one of the first things we see about Martha is what her family situation is like and how they interact with her. There was conflict around her brother's bday party and everyone called Martha to have her mediate. In her family, Martha is the one who serves as the peacekeeper, the calm and mature person that everyone relies on. I think they are not used to Martha putting her own wants and needs first, but now in this episode she's come back and is acting differently, asserting what she wants to do, rather than being passive and doing what the others want. I think that's why her mom feels something's off,because for Martha it's been days or weeks, but for them it's just been a few hours, hakf a day at most.
There's a touch of The Quatermass Experiment - one of Doctor Who's forerunners, a sci-fi serial that went out live in 1955 - about the conclusion to this one.
at 28:50 talking about Martha's family, don't worry you are going to see much more of them and they become VERY important
Just wait...
Rekkai gets the guvna pass
I love this episode
Where is Jack indeed.
Loving the doctor who reactions 👊🏼
P.S. to Rekkai/ @nupefromdaville , re: immortality/time...Yep, keep watching this show.... :)
Always never got the hate for this episode. I don't think it's that bad.
I'll say this, back in Victorian and Edwardian times, 21 was the age that was considered to be an adult rather than 18 nowadays.
Pay attention to the. Name Harrold saxon #spoilers😅
Forget UNIT, they needed STARS on this one. That old bastard turned himself into an RE boss.
I can tell you two are anne rice fans by your thoughtful appraisals of each episode...
Have you watched any of the newer series on AMC?
@@Syntell nope, just read the books and seen the movie.... is it good?
@@space1999 it’s worth the watch
@@Syntell is it close to the books?
@@space1999 closer than the movies, the story has more time to breathe with so many episodes in the series
Did not expect anyone else to remember and like The Old Guard. It's been badly treated that movie imo. Anyway, S3 ep7 next. Shits about to get real.
*** possible vague spoiler warning for people watching this who are new to who other than you all because you have watched past this point in your reactions and now I think this disclaimer is long enough to be under the more thing but honestly, it really shouldn’t matter***
At about 26:00 where you were talking about immortality made me start thinking about a certain favorite character 👀
that shouldn’t be a spoiler for you all because you are past that in your reactions now, but I am being vague in case people who are new are reading this.
3:20 the Diddy comment did not age well 💀
Harold Saxon is the Prime Minister. There was a campaign poster in an earlier episode.
Aka The Master
I think Martha's sister has worse taste in men than she does.
Im'a be real that thing gave me a couple nightmares when the episode aired.
1 more bad episode before the good stuff begins. 1-7 average about a 7/10. ep 8-13 average about 9/10
If you think the episodes have been strong so far in season 3 then you ain’t seen nothing yet. The first half of this season is so weak compared to the second half…! Like, it’s almost two different shows the difference in the quality in the second half of the season.
Not a big fan of this episode. Effects really scream early 2000s. Like the Rock as the Scorpion King in the Mummy 2.
while i enjoyed most episodes on a first watch going back through outside of being a dirty old man i just look at the stories and these first 6 for me are pretty dull. also freema is cute and all but her voice bugs me a bit when it cracks when she gets excited or screams etc. also im a breast man so sadly donna was my fav cause that wedding dress was probably the most cleavage we got since like classic who. sadly i think half of each season is full of episodes i generally skip on personal rewatches. a bit more tolerable in reactions since its cut down but then i can also play at 2x lol.
i dunno about the statement about black families and not having much therapy. i think thats more a generation thing than a racial thing. i think therapy is more common these days. but figure this was what this was 2007 and martha was probably in her mid 20s i know i went through a lot of shit as a kid mostly because my dad was too stupid to realize beating my ass wasnt making me fall in line and that he needed a different approach. but nah you hit them till they do what you tell them to do. wish he gave me a black eye sooner than high school my life could have turned out drastically different if i didnt grow up with all that bs. sad thing too is i had lots of therapy as a kid though my dad probably needed it more. and not that they even understood my condition as a kid it was more the school system just trying to get with a problem kid. send him to therapy and special schools to get him out of our school. my parents just went with whatever was recommended because the schools didnt want to deal with a bad acting child and the parents assume the school knows whats best. so no one wanting to deal with the issue properly
There can be tension between the doctor and the companion, but usually it doesn’t go beyond that, at the point you are at in Season 3. The doctor and rose were never actually together. And Im pretty sure the doctor never had a relationship with any of the companions before in the old series, but feel free to fact check that, I could be wrong. It wasn’t till Rose that there was an implication of something more. But they still never did anything about it. What comes after this point is complicated and I won’t spoil anything, but romantic relationships with the doctor was not a thing for most of the Who cannon..even though the companions always wish it were different, lol
yeah, he's mostly aesexual when it comes to humans, that's part of why in the 80s (America got WHO years late) I was shipping 4 & Romana!!
I'm here for all of the juicy drama.
My hearts exposed.
@@Syntell I love that you guys are genuinely enjoying it. Dr who isn’t for everyone, it can be a little silly, but I love seeing you guys appreciate it
Some people diss the effects of the monster here but if u look at some of the movies released in early 2000s , the effects hold up ok ..... ps, for me a great, fun run around sort of episode with 1 or 2 life lessons sprinkled in....
I don't mind the special effects as long as they don't take away from the story.
Story is everything, and Who has a lot of it.
@@SyntellHalf of doctors who's charm is seeing what they can do with string, celotape and a budget amounting to the coins you find in the sides of your couch lol.
@@Syntellthe versatility of the shows stories and the range of themes and messages the show can give are truly what carries it. It is almost always at least good and has reached peaks that are amongst my favourite moments in all television. The emotional heart of the show outways any budgetary limitations by a lightyear
@@Syntell great answer...