Just excellent; I am sharing it with my students (middle to high school history) and their families right now (November 2020). It seems to be needed more than ever, as they are woefully lacking in even the very basics of the story. Thank you for the video!
I am so blessed that my people were Separatists. I am still, quite separate, by many standards. Separatists, allowed for women to be land owners. That is women`s liberation, in the 1600s. They don`t teach us that in grammar school, but they should, it`s a fact. The early American people, with whom school children, in the 1950`s were familiar, were those wretched Puritans, and their dunking stools. I hope these days kids are taught about the Separatists, who came here seeking liberation from the constraints of religion....much like we struggle for currently.
Hi Marjorie thanks for those interesting words, I didn't realise how forward-thinking the Separatists were, maybe that's why they were regarded as separate!? Nothing wrong in being separate, I feel like that most of the time! Anyway, thanks again, it's great to hear from you. Stay Separate, we need to stick together! :-)
It’s amazing that people can’t just learn about events that happened four hundred years ago. Instead they get emotionally triggered. They need to direct their voices and energy to solving present day injustices like human trafficking which is a sanitized word for present day slavery, political persecution, and religious persecution ( present day). It’s easier and convenient to put down people who died hundreds of years ago then to work for actual change of present day world problems. I found this video interesting- I accept what I heard. I see it as an opportunity to become an educated person of history. No opinion or point to prove. Thanks for sharing. Do more videos like this. Thanks I appreciate your time and energy.
Thank you for your thoughtful, considered and refreshing comments. The video was, like all creative works, our own subjective interpretation of the 'facts' as we saw them, not some sort of propaganda or polemic work. Bizarrely, as I am writing this, there is a feature on the radio about John Locke, I knew his name but little about him so a quick Google search revealed the breadth of his thinking around freedom of religion; we need to make the documentary! Another character we'd love to cover is Anne Hutchinson, who was born a few miles away from us. Her story is nothing short of heroic and I'm amazed that her name is not up there with the likes of other American notables - like 'Hamilton' for instance! We received a small but very welcome donation from the Mayflower Society to help fund the making of this documentary; they were impressed with our documentary about Alfred, Lord Tennyson (another of our 'locals') 'The Circle Of The Hills' and gave us the money with no strings attached which was very heartening. Anyway, thanks again Random 1; keep the light shining! 'The Circle Of The Hills' is here on TH-cam..th-cam.com/video/QROTMC1CN7U/w-d-xo.html
@@musictopictures John Locke to say the least was ahead of his time. I read a book an Anne Hutchinson who was both forward thinking and a courageous person. Both of these people helped shape the foundations of our country. Have fun researching both of these people. Thank you for your dedication.
I've been working on my family history. To ask one of my husband family members ,to find out the American Indian were the ones the people on the Mayflower got to meet. Small world but,still waiting from another family member to see it on paperwork
Thanks from Massachusetts, It's always great to come across this level of ind-depth historical content regarding the early days of the Pilgrims. I've visited Derby in 2012 but I've always wondered what towns like Scrooby and Austerfield are like. I awlways imagine them as small quite hamlets as if it were still the sixteenth century
I know I’ve replied quite late but I’m from the area where the pilgrims set off to Massachusetts and my interest is, how many of the locals in Massachusetts know their ancestry or how it was put on the map, would be interesting to hear
Thank you for this. We are woefully ignorant of what our fore bearers went through to get here. I am 45 and just now learning. Shoutout to my great (forgot how many greats) uncle John Howland for being brave enough to trek away from the oppression. His brother Henry (my direct ancestor) followed and established his brood here at a later date.
I'm descended from Mayflower Passengers John Alden & Priscilla Mullins first daughter Elizabeth. Recently I discovered that my best friend since 1980 is descended from William Bradford, and Bradford and Alden both signed the Mayflower Compact!
That's great, quite a pedigree! I was recently in Leiden and visited the house where William Bradford lived, we should make a sequel! Are you a musician?
There is a Blue Plaque at the Boatyard that built the Mayflower at Killingholme Haven, near Immingham, Lincolnshire/South Humberside. From the Boatyard the first Pilgrims boarded the Mayflower. It also stopped at Grimsby and Boston before setting off for Holland. That was the History of the Mayflower as taught to me in Grimsby, my Birthtown, prior to joining the Military in 1976. By the time I returned to Grimsby in 1979 my parents had moved to South Killingholme not far from the Mayflowers construction site. I myself cycled from Killingholme to see the Blue Plaque when I returned to my Parents in 1980, prior to moving back to Gibraltar to live and work for a few years. Now I am retired and live in Essex, a lot milder climate that the Winter of 1963, when the snow was above the Front Door. Tony in Essex.
I don't think the boat was actually built in Killingholme, more likely Harwich. They actually joined another ship at Killingholme and went over to Holland. There are quite a few myths surrounding the voyage (including Boston's 'ownership' of the pilgrims - although they actually arrested them attempting to 'escape' and sent them back home!) They eventually sailed from Holland aboard the Speedwell but changed to the Mayflower after the Speedwell was found wanting. I hope we successfully addressed these facts in the documentary, although 'facts', as we know these days, can be slippery customers! Thanks for the comments anyway Tony.
@@user-TonyUK Do you have a photo of the plaque? I can't find any other references to it? We took a lot of the information from here..www.mayflower400uk.org/education/the-mayflower-story/
@@musictopictures I left Killingholme Village when I joined the Army in 1976 and when I left the Army I settled in Essex. Now I am a retired non driver so I have no need to go back the that area. I can only suggest you get in contact with the Heritage Organisation that issues the Blue Plaques for more information. Tony in Essex
I am a descendant of William Bradford. Winslow Churchill, descendant of William Bradford, They were first settler’s in Illinois in 1834. Along with Mercy Dodge.
@@musictopictures I read about her, just now. Being raised a Christian Scientist, it sounds to me that Mary Baker Eddie, may have picked up where Hutchinson left off, by writing the Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures.
I just found out a few years back. I'm part of the Mayflower history. I wasn't sure until I asked one of my cousins. He sent me paperwork to prove I was right. I'm part of Myles Standish family throw his daughter Lucy. Now ,I can't wait to go see where they landed and see the Mayflower. It was in my State getting repaired. Do you think I was able to go . Nope
Please remember "Pilgrims" were not "Puritans". Pilgrims were Separatists. As Puritans flooded into the new world in Boston, the Pilgrims choose to work w/ them but they were not the same! That distinction is seldom maintained today(2023).
Most or all are my and/or my wife's direct ancestors. My side also includes some from Jamestown and the Virginia Colony. Some the native tribesmen or First Nations.
Brewster and Bradford are my wife's ancestors. Several signers of the Manga Carta and King John are my wife's side. Mine has several signers of the Magna Carter. Besides Harold in my wife's side, we both go back to William of Normandy.
@@musictopictures we all have it if you look. My wife and I are tracesd to most of the royals of Wales, Scotland, England, me also Ireland, France, Denmark, Sweden, many German states, Austria and Hungary. Just about everybody can trace back to Charlemagne. In American History we've been in just about every war, often my side serving under my wife's family. Lt. Gen. Benjamin Lincoln of the American Revolution, said of my family: "Them Benners were pretty good fighters. Killed a lot of Britishers", Lol! Again, we all have rich histories if you look.
@@davidbenner2289 yep that's right, the tree didn't have many branches back then! Let's hope you Benners aren't thinking of coming back over any time soon!
@@musictopictures I have some dear friends of my youth in Norfolk area. You have seen his work in the cinema. I was born abroad of American parents: clandestine, hush hush, gurilla warfare and special operations stuff, mostly Easy and South East Asia. I later went to university in Europe and did some work for my government. I met my wife, a high IQ genius woman, my weakness. She wanted me in a safer, less dangerous job, so I gave up foreign travel and took a firefighter paramedic job in the Washington DC area. Now retired, my wife in the stage of Alzheimer's, our nine home schooled children now adults, have 18 children, none over ten years old. I did say I was a firefighter-paramedic: we have our reputation. Lol!
@@davidbenner2289 an amazing life, so far! We went to Norfolk at the weekend to see one of our sons and his family, the other lives on Guernsey but we're not quite in your league - only six grandchildren. I write music for film and tv (albeit on a small scale) perhaps your friend would take a look? Such a shame about your wife, Alzheimers is the biggest cause of death in the UK (since Covid loosened its grip), it's a cruel end. I am a volunteer bereavement counsellor, I hear way too many instances. Anyway, it's early summer here, the sun is shining, the birds are singing, our bees are buzzing and I've just seen two cute kittens coming out of one of our sheds - a feral cat decided to have a family in there! Take care and keep on fighting those fires, real and metaphorical.
Hmmmm ......being a descendant of the Conner family name is first showing up as William Conner 1575 of Lorn, Scotland. Descendant of Standish, Chilton, Alden and Mullins of the Mayflower.
Very nice history of the beginnings in England. There are ten million descendants of the Mayflower passengers in America. I am directly descended from seven Mayflower passengers. But I also have indigenous ancestors so I understand that this colonization was not a mythical "Liberty and justice for all" races.
At least you've got 7 of them. What's utterly hilarious is when people write rubbish like "One of my ancestors was on the Mayflower!". We are talking a good 20 generations ago. You had over a million great-grandparents 20 generations ago.
One of my ancestors was the Reverand Thomas Blossom on the Mayflower 2 with family. We trace him through my grandfather George Thomas whose grandmother Hannah Blossom had 2 boys at age 50. They emigrated to Australia. They were not fanatics but very independent strongwilled and well read. The most read book in the world is John Bunyans Pilgrims Progress.
@@musictopictures from North Cave, Yorkshire. In the village there is a lane, called Blossom Lane which leaves to a large farm house. If you email me thomaskay7@gmail.com l can send more details
At that stage in Britain's social policy the protestant Government of King James 1 was ruthlessly enforcing the state anglican religious view. As much as the pilgrims were protestant their views did not always match that of the authorities, so "conform or else" = non conformists. They left. So independence of the colonies was always going to happen, my book, In the Name of the crown by Anthony Matthews and videos on youtube explain much of the reasoning.
Puritanism had nothing to do with religious freedom. The Pilgrim Fathers were the persecutors not the persecuted. We were well rid of them and their narrow minds.
Everybody seems impressed with the Puritans. Never made sense to me. They left everywhere they were at because they didnt like the rules. They claim they made America, which is gibberish because America was already settled 12 years before them in Jamestown. And even before that, St Augustine, Americas first town ever, was settled 42 years before Jamestown, 52 years before the Pilgims, but that was not English, it was Spanish. Many ships had sailed the Chesapeake Bay to trade with Natives before Jamestown. The Puritans were very ignorant in beliefs, they even outlawed Christmas in colonys for awhile. I hear people say they started democracy. If so, it went like Do what we say, or do nothing at all. Thats not much of a democracy. I sure am glad I didnt have to meet up with them. Id find it nauseating....
Yes they weren't quite the oppressed victims they were made out to be and they certainly could have done more to intergrate with the 'locals' when they arrived (instead of killing them!)
Hahahahaha. OK Boomer. The Pilgrims were a bunch of super controlling religious extremists, and democracy was the LAST THING the Pilgrims believed in. The Founding Fathers of the United States of America borrowed the entire idea of democracy from the First Nations People that already lived before Europeans arrived, and more specifically, the Iroquois Confederacy, known to the English as the Five Nations, and after 1722, Six Nations. There wasn't any country in Europe that could have influenced the Pilgrims with the idea of democracy. It didn't exist in Europe.
"There wasn't any country in Europe that could have influenced the Pilgrims with the idea of democracy. It didn't exist in Europe." Democracy had been around since the ancient Greeks. Actually, Farrah, in the Mayflower Compact pilgrims called for a democratic form of government, or "government by the majority". So that part is historically accurate. If you want to argue with the pilgrim eulogists in a way that's historically defensible, what you could say is, (i). Pilgrims had no intention of ever separating from England (they had problems with the Church of England, but were very much in favor of maintaining full economic union with Britain); and (ii). By the time of the American Revolution, most Mayflower descendants were all hot for Loyalism. So yes, pilgrims wanted to establish a Promised Land where democratic government could flourish, and *English subjects* who shared their religious fanaticism could flock to.
Anybody who starts a post with "Hahahahaha. OK Boomer" is an ignorant fool lacking in intelligence. "OK Boomer" is stupid phrase used by clueless punks. It is a textbook example of the logical fallacy argumentum ad hominem. And... The founding fathers of the U.S. were highly intelligent, well-read men who had books on poltical theory, etc. They were greatly influenced by European thinkers, etc. **************** See this about your point concerning the Iroquois: **************** "Professor of anthropology Jack Weatherford has argued that the ideas leading to the United States Constitution and democracy derived from various indigenous peoples of the Americas including the Iroquois. Weatherford speculated that this democracy was founded between the years 1000-1450, that it lasted several hundred years, and that the U.S. democratic system was continually changed and improved by the influence of Native Americans throughout North America. Elizabeth Tooker, a professor of anthropology at Temple University and an authority on the culture and history of the Northern Iroquois, has reviewed Weatherford’s claims and concluded they are myth rather than fact. [from the Wikipedia article "History of democracy"] ******************************************************************************** You are an ignorant child.
Marvelous. Unimaginable hardships. Such bravery and strong desire for liberty!
❗In reading "Mayflower", I was forever changed. The human spirit in its need for freedom of expression will endure anything.
I had several ancestors on the Mayflower. ❤
Just excellent; I am sharing it with my students (middle to high school history) and their families right now (November 2020). It seems to be needed more than ever, as they are woefully lacking in even the very basics of the story. Thank you for the video!
Thank you so much. Hope they don't find it too boring! It was produced quite a while ago but I guess the story doesn't change!
William Brewster and Bradford are my direct ancestors amongst others.
Such brave souls. I can trace my family back to these people, but knew very little about what happened before they came to America. Thanks for this.
My ancestors were on the Mayflower❣️
So were mine
Mine as well. Henry Sampson and Myles Standish.
So were mine Giles Hopkins and his father Stephen Hopkins.
Everybody's ancestors were on the Mayflower
@@petermedcalf1191
There is about 35 million people who’s ancestors were on the mayflower.
I am so blessed that my people were Separatists. I am still, quite separate, by many standards. Separatists, allowed for women to be land owners. That is women`s liberation, in the 1600s. They don`t teach us that in grammar school, but they should, it`s a fact. The early American people, with whom school children, in the 1950`s were familiar, were those wretched Puritans, and their dunking stools. I hope these days kids are taught about the Separatists, who came here seeking liberation from the constraints of religion....much like we struggle for currently.
Hi Marjorie thanks for those interesting words, I didn't realise how forward-thinking the Separatists were, maybe that's why they were regarded as separate!? Nothing wrong in being separate, I feel like that most of the time! Anyway, thanks again, it's great to hear from you. Stay Separate, we need to stick together! :-)
It’s amazing that people can’t just learn about events that happened four hundred years ago. Instead they get emotionally triggered. They need to direct their voices and energy to solving present day injustices like human trafficking which is a sanitized word for present day slavery, political persecution, and religious persecution ( present day). It’s easier and convenient to put down people who died hundreds of years ago then to work for actual change of present day world problems. I found this video interesting- I accept what I heard. I see it as an opportunity to become an educated person of history. No opinion or point to prove. Thanks for sharing. Do more videos like this. Thanks I appreciate your time and energy.
Thank you for your thoughtful, considered and refreshing comments. The video was, like all creative works, our own subjective interpretation of the 'facts' as we saw them, not some sort of propaganda or polemic work. Bizarrely, as I am writing this, there is a feature on the radio about John Locke, I knew his name but little about him so a quick Google search revealed the breadth of his thinking around freedom of religion; we need to make the documentary! Another character we'd love to cover is Anne Hutchinson, who was born a few miles away from us. Her story is nothing short of heroic and I'm amazed that her name is not up there with the likes of other American notables - like 'Hamilton' for instance!
We received a small but very welcome donation from the Mayflower Society to help fund the making of this documentary; they were impressed with our documentary about Alfred, Lord Tennyson (another of our 'locals') 'The Circle Of The Hills' and gave us the money with no strings attached which was very heartening. Anyway, thanks again Random 1; keep the light shining!
'The Circle Of The Hills' is here on TH-cam..th-cam.com/video/QROTMC1CN7U/w-d-xo.html
@@musictopictures John Locke to say the least was ahead of his time. I read a book an Anne Hutchinson who was both forward thinking and a courageous person. Both of these people helped shape the foundations of our country. Have fun researching both of these people. Thank you for your dedication.
I've been working on my family history. To ask one of my husband family members ,to find out the American Indian were the ones the people on the Mayflower got to meet. Small world but,still waiting from another family member to see it on paperwork
Thanks from Massachusetts, It's always great to come across this level of ind-depth historical content regarding the early days of the Pilgrims. I've visited Derby in 2012 but I've always wondered what towns like Scrooby and Austerfield are like. I awlways imagine them as small quite hamlets as if it were still the sixteenth century
Thanks Andrew, in many ways those villages still are!
I know I’ve replied quite late but I’m from the area where the pilgrims set off to Massachusetts and my interest is, how many of the locals in Massachusetts know their ancestry or how it was put on the map, would be interesting to hear
Thank you for this. We are woefully ignorant of what our fore bearers went through to get here. I am 45 and just now learning. Shoutout to my great (forgot how many greats) uncle John Howland for being brave enough to trek away from the oppression. His brother Henry (my direct ancestor) followed and established his brood here at a later date.
Thanks April, we all have a lot to learn! Always.
I'm descended from Mayflower Passengers John Alden & Priscilla Mullins first daughter Elizabeth. Recently I discovered that my best friend since 1980 is descended from William Bradford, and Bradford and Alden both signed the Mayflower Compact!
That's great, quite a pedigree! I was recently in Leiden and visited the house where William Bradford lived, we should make a sequel! Are you a musician?
wonderful, have you apologize to the native American community for the treatment they received from your ancestors.
@@manymany5076 of course
They would have travelled, at least once, very close by my family in North West Lincolnshire (living close to the Trent in the 1600s).
There is a Blue Plaque at the Boatyard that built the Mayflower at Killingholme Haven, near Immingham, Lincolnshire/South Humberside. From the Boatyard the first Pilgrims boarded the Mayflower. It also stopped at Grimsby and Boston before setting off for Holland. That was the History of the Mayflower as taught to me in Grimsby, my Birthtown, prior to joining the Military in 1976. By the time I returned to Grimsby in 1979 my parents had moved to South Killingholme not far from the Mayflowers construction site. I myself cycled from Killingholme to see the Blue Plaque when I returned to my Parents in 1980, prior to moving back to Gibraltar to live and work for a few years. Now I am retired and live in Essex, a lot milder climate that the Winter of 1963, when the snow was above the Front Door. Tony in Essex.
I don't think the boat was actually built in Killingholme, more likely Harwich. They actually joined another ship at Killingholme and went over to Holland. There are quite a few myths surrounding the voyage (including Boston's 'ownership' of the pilgrims - although they actually arrested them attempting to 'escape' and sent them back home!) They eventually sailed from Holland aboard the Speedwell but changed to the Mayflower after the Speedwell was found wanting. I hope we successfully addressed these facts in the documentary, although 'facts', as we know these days, can be slippery customers! Thanks for the comments anyway Tony.
@@musictopictures If what you say is true why whould they have given the Blue (Historical) Plaque to the Boat Yard?
@@user-TonyUK Do you have a photo of the plaque? I can't find any other references to it? We took a lot of the information from here..www.mayflower400uk.org/education/the-mayflower-story/
@@musictopictures I left Killingholme Village when I joined the Army in 1976 and when I left the Army I settled in Essex. Now I am a retired non driver so I have no need to go back the that area. I can only suggest you get in contact with the Heritage Organisation that issues the Blue Plaques for more information. Tony in Essex
I am a descendant of William Bradford. Winslow Churchill, descendant of William Bradford, They were first settler’s in Illinois in 1834. Along with Mercy Dodge.
Very interesting, I love the name Mercy Dodge!
@@musictopictures You can google her, she traveled from New York, to the Chicago area, down the Erie Canal, with 12 children.
Such resilience. Do you know of Anne Hutchinson? She lived near us, what a story she has.
@@musictopictures I read about her, just now. Being raised a Christian Scientist, it sounds to me that Mary Baker Eddie, may have picked up where Hutchinson left off, by writing the Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures.
I just found out a few years back. I'm part of the Mayflower history. I wasn't sure until I asked one of my cousins. He sent me paperwork to prove I was right. I'm part of Myles Standish family throw his daughter Lucy. Now ,I can't wait to go see where they landed and see the Mayflower. It was in my State getting repaired. Do you think I was able to go . Nope
Oh no! That's a shame. You must visit the Plymouth Plantation.
Thank you for this excellent presentation of history. Should be available on DVD and preserved for all time.
Thank you so much. It is available on DVD.
@@musictopictures In US format I hope, and how do I order?
@@p51nion I'm not sure the DVD region format still matters but to be honest I can't remember, I'll get back to you asap, thanks for asking.
@@p51nion it is still available here www.amazon.com/Mayflower-Pilgrims/dp/B0000AKMZV
@@musictopictures On order. Thanks Peter!
Look forward to more stories.
None in the pipeline sadly. One should be made about Anne Hutchinson who came from our area, an amazing story.
Please remember "Pilgrims" were not "Puritans". Pilgrims were Separatists. As Puritans flooded into the new world in Boston, the Pilgrims choose to work w/ them but they were not the same! That distinction is seldom maintained today(2023).
Thanks for clarifying, are you a scholar of such things?
Most or all are my and/or my wife's direct ancestors. My side also includes some from Jamestown and the Virginia Colony. Some the native tribesmen or First Nations.
I really enjoyed watching this.
Thanks Pamela, glad you liked it.
What an incredible story.
Martin Luther was good example of why the Pilgrims believed in Freedom of religion without government inferring in people's lives.
Brewster and Bradford are my wife's ancestors. Several signers of the Manga Carta and King John are my wife's side. Mine has several signers of the Magna Carter. Besides Harold in my wife's side, we both go back to William of Normandy.
That's some lineage!
@@musictopictures we all have it if you look. My wife and I are tracesd to most of the royals of Wales, Scotland, England, me also Ireland, France, Denmark, Sweden, many German states, Austria and Hungary. Just about everybody can trace back to Charlemagne. In American History we've been in just about every war, often my side serving under my wife's family. Lt. Gen. Benjamin Lincoln of the American Revolution, said of my family: "Them Benners were pretty good fighters. Killed a lot of Britishers", Lol! Again, we all have rich histories if you look.
@@davidbenner2289 yep that's right, the tree didn't have many branches back then! Let's hope you Benners aren't thinking of coming back over any time soon!
@@musictopictures I have some dear friends of my youth in Norfolk area. You have seen his work in the cinema. I was born abroad of American parents: clandestine, hush hush, gurilla warfare and special operations stuff, mostly Easy and South East Asia. I later went to university in Europe and did some work for my government. I met my wife, a high IQ genius woman, my weakness. She wanted me in a safer, less dangerous job, so I gave up foreign travel and took a firefighter paramedic job in the Washington DC area. Now retired, my wife in the stage of Alzheimer's, our nine home schooled children now adults, have 18 children, none over ten years old. I did say I was a firefighter-paramedic: we have our reputation. Lol!
@@davidbenner2289 an amazing life, so far! We went to Norfolk at the weekend to see one of our sons and his family, the other lives on Guernsey but we're not quite in your league - only six grandchildren. I write music for film and tv (albeit on a small scale) perhaps your friend would take a look? Such a shame about your wife, Alzheimers is the biggest cause of death in the UK (since Covid loosened its grip), it's a cruel end. I am a volunteer bereavement counsellor, I hear way too many instances. Anyway, it's early summer here, the sun is shining, the birds are singing, our bees are buzzing and I've just seen two cute kittens coming out of one of our sheds - a feral cat decided to have a family in there! Take care and keep on fighting those fires, real and metaphorical.
Words of the Mayflower Compact>
th-cam.com/video/p23gF9jQdnM/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared. The Geneva Bible is also iconic of the Mayflower.
Hmmmm ......being a descendant of the Conner family name is first showing up as William Conner 1575 of Lorn, Scotland. Descendant of Standish, Chilton, Alden and Mullins of the Mayflower.
We might be related then?
@@musictopictures ... then thru his son another William Conner 1601 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England.
Very nice history of the beginnings in England. There are ten million descendants of the Mayflower passengers in America. I am directly descended from seven Mayflower passengers. But I also have indigenous ancestors so I understand that this colonization was not a mythical "Liberty and justice for all" races.
Thanks for your comments. As you say, things didn't work out as noble as the lofty ideals suggested.
At least you've got 7 of them. What's utterly hilarious is when people write rubbish like "One of my ancestors was on the Mayflower!". We are talking a good 20 generations ago. You had over a million great-grandparents 20 generations ago.
Land of Pilgrims pride,land where my father's died. Pilgrims has lot relatives in United States.
Recently discovered that I am a descendant of Henry Sampson and Myles Standish.
The germs....the bundling boards !
I had to Google bundling boards. The least of their worries perhaps!?
I am related to Robert Treat Paine, and Constance Hopkins. Also they founded/co founded 2 towns on Cape Cod. I'm also related to John Handcock.
Illustrious forebears! Hope you enjoyed the movie?
@@musictopictures Yes I did, thank you
me too
I enjoy watching this nice interesting history
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
Can you please make a video that explains why the pilgrims were running from England and what religion they believed in?
I thought we had that covered in this video?
One of my ancestors was the Reverand Thomas Blossom on the Mayflower 2 with family. We trace him through my grandfather George Thomas whose grandmother Hannah Blossom had 2 boys at age 50. They emigrated to Australia. They were not fanatics but very independent strongwilled and well read. The most read book in the world is John Bunyans Pilgrims Progress.
Thanks for watching Kay and for the info. Where did Rev. Blossom come from originally?
@@musictopictures from North Cave, Yorkshire. In the village there is a lane, called Blossom Lane which leaves to a large farm house. If you email me thomaskay7@gmail.com l can send more details
The most read book in the world is the Bible.
Very interesting. Try to slow down the scanning process.
Not sure what you mean?
At that stage in Britain's social policy the protestant Government of King James 1 was ruthlessly enforcing the state anglican religious view. As much as the pilgrims were protestant their views did not always match that of the authorities, so "conform or else" = non conformists. They left. So independence of the colonies was always going to happen, my book, In the Name of the crown by Anthony Matthews and videos on youtube explain much of the reasoning.
Bet the natives wished they'd stayed home
And the African Slaves wished they never came also.
Puritanism had nothing to do with religious freedom. The Pilgrim Fathers were the persecutors not the persecuted. We were well rid of them and their narrow minds.
And what have we done with it?
Discuss......!
very brave
If I may, let me suggest a new video, The Pilgrims, 17th-Century English Emigrants, available at this link:
th-cam.com/video/DzDeCLpJkYE/w-d-xo.html.
Many thanks
Show your children
👍🦃🧐💕
Happy (belated) thanksgiving!
Everybody seems impressed with the Puritans. Never made sense to me. They left everywhere they were at because they didnt like the rules. They claim they made America, which is gibberish because America was already settled 12 years before them in Jamestown. And even before that, St Augustine, Americas first town ever, was settled 42 years before Jamestown, 52 years before the Pilgims, but that was not English, it was Spanish. Many ships had sailed the Chesapeake Bay to trade with Natives before Jamestown. The Puritans were very ignorant in beliefs, they even outlawed Christmas in colonys for awhile. I hear people say they started democracy. If so, it went like Do what we say, or do nothing at all. Thats not much of a democracy. I sure am glad I didnt have to meet up with them. Id find it nauseating....
Yes they weren't quite the oppressed victims they were made out to be and they certainly could have done more to intergrate with the 'locals' when they arrived (instead of killing them!)
Wish they never came A Native
Yes, a very problematic story, it could do with a new revision I think.
Religion ruins everything.
Hahahahaha. OK Boomer. The Pilgrims were a bunch of super controlling religious extremists, and democracy was the LAST THING the Pilgrims believed in. The Founding Fathers of the United States of America borrowed the entire idea of democracy from the First Nations People that already lived before Europeans arrived, and more specifically, the Iroquois Confederacy, known to the English as the Five Nations, and after 1722, Six Nations. There wasn't any country in Europe that could have influenced the Pilgrims with the idea of democracy. It didn't exist in Europe.
Much like yourself, a super controlling leftist extremist.
I would Looovvvveee to know the real story
"There wasn't any country in Europe that could have influenced the Pilgrims with the idea of democracy. It didn't exist in Europe."
Democracy had been around since the ancient Greeks.
Actually, Farrah, in the Mayflower Compact pilgrims called for a democratic form of government, or "government by the majority". So that part is historically accurate.
If you want to argue with the pilgrim eulogists in a way that's historically defensible, what you could say is, (i). Pilgrims had no intention of ever separating from England (they had problems with the Church of England, but were very much in favor of maintaining full economic union with Britain); and (ii). By the time of the American Revolution, most Mayflower descendants were all hot for Loyalism.
So yes, pilgrims wanted to establish a Promised Land where democratic government could flourish, and *English subjects* who shared their religious fanaticism could flock to.
Benjamin Franklin was a Quaker
Anybody who starts a post with "Hahahahaha. OK Boomer" is an ignorant fool lacking in intelligence. "OK Boomer" is stupid phrase used by clueless punks. It is a textbook example of the logical fallacy argumentum ad hominem. And... The founding fathers of the U.S. were highly intelligent, well-read men who had books on poltical theory, etc. They were greatly influenced by European thinkers, etc.
**************** See this about your point concerning the Iroquois: ****************
"Professor of anthropology Jack Weatherford has argued that the ideas leading to the United States Constitution and democracy derived from various indigenous peoples of the Americas including the Iroquois. Weatherford speculated that this democracy was founded between the years 1000-1450, that it lasted several hundred years, and that the U.S. democratic system was continually changed and improved by the influence of Native Americans throughout North America.
Elizabeth Tooker, a professor of anthropology at Temple University and an authority on the culture and history of the Northern Iroquois, has reviewed Weatherford’s claims and concluded they are myth rather than fact.
[from the Wikipedia article "History of democracy"]
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You are an ignorant child.
Its like you people just make a bunch of shit up, and call it good.