You mixed up the artist-writer in "The Forever War". Steve Murphy (Dean Clarrain) was the writer. Chris Allan was the artist. Allan did one issue, Murphy wrote two. Both of them left the Archie series, though.
Thats cool that you helped him rember the differents between these correctly. A lot of people in comment sections jus want to say great video or complain but you did something helphul and noble.
Not to be the “Actually…” guy, but Batman 426 had a “1-900” number you could call to decide Robin’s fate; not a “1-800” number. The difference (for all you youngins) is that 1-800 numbers are toll free; whereas 1-900 numbers charged a fee to your phone bill. The two phone numbers listed (in which you could call to vote) were located on the back page of Batman 426 and cost 50¢ per call/vote.
I think the big one that I can recall for a lost media and comics was the original version of Superman that Siegel and Schuster tried to shop around a few years before the character was published in Action Comics #1. Schuster destroying the book in a fire cost us the only known version, but considering their lack of success in publishing the book, one can understand that he was upset. Although we still have the cover, it would have been fascinating to see how much the character had changed between their first efforts to publish the character and the one that finally made it which we all know. Of course back in those days nobody knew that these characters were going to outlive them and go on for generations.
In 1999, Argentinian comicbook writer Ricardo Barreiro was writing an official* sequel miniseries to _El Eternauta_ called "El Eternauta: Odio Cosmico" along with artist Walter Taborda. Barreiro died shortly before the second issue was published, and if I remember correctly a third issue was published with a delay but they couldn't extract the script for the fourth from Barreiro's computer so whatever plans they had for the comic had to be reworked into a shorter graphic novel with a different writer. *I say "official" because after the original writer was killed by the millitary junta in the 70s, someone made an apocryphal "Eternauta 3" miniseries (yes, there's an "Eternauta 2" by the same writer an artist of the original, it was among the last comicbooks H.G. Oestersheld finished before dying)
If you hadn't told us this was a last-minute fill-in, I would have assumed it was the regular episode you had planned for this week. That's how good it was. You could probably do entire episodes about the 1963 Annual and Big Numbers.
There was a Doctor Strange series back in the day that never was brought out. It did have a one page teaser that was promoted in one page adverts. I think Jerry Bingham was the artist.
Back in the early 80’s , Irish Fantasy artist Jim Fitzpatrick was working with Stan Lee on a new comic for Marvel. He went on The Late Late Show here in Ireland which is the longest running chat show in the world, the discuss the project and other art and the tv show people lost the artwork and the comic never came to be. I feel this would have been huge …. Fitzpatrick illustrated many Thin Lizzy album covers as well as the famous image of Che Guevara that’s seen everywhere. His Celtic warrior art is his best stuff in my opinion though.
In 1975 I spent a couple of weeks in Dublin, Ireland. At that time the restaurant Captain America's Cookhouse, on Grafton Street, had the walls decorated with a set of murals of Marvel characters by Jim Fitzpatrick.
The one that immediately came to mind for me was the story of Alan Weiss leaving a bunch of pencilled pages of a 1976 Warlock story in a cab that were never recovered.
I loved the official Batman v. Captain America confrontation from one of the Avengers vs. JLA books. They meet on a rooftop in the pouring rain. They tense and prepare to fight. Each time one moves a fraction of an inch the other shifts slightly to prepare a counter move. Finally Batman just stand up straight and tells Captain America "You'd take me... but it would take a LONG time."
From the top of my head, I think there's at least an issue of George Pérez (RIP)'s Crimson Plague that never saw print. But, as you hint, this stuff happens A LOT. Great as always, cheers from Argentina!
This video has me thinking about all the unknown comics out there. From 1986-1991 I made a little over 150 of my own homemade comics. I'm not much of an artist but I really enjoyed making them. I wonder how many other people have done something similar that we'll never see. Cool video. Hope you're doing well.
My brother made literal hundreds of comics as a kid and teen, and I'm happy to have had the privilege of being his only audience. Those comics were so fun and innocent. He kept making comics into his twenties, but time gets harder to come by the older you get, so it seems unlikely he'll make another comic now. Really a shame.
I've seen a trade of this comic before, but it was an old pocket book and I don't even know who would have the publication rights to it is Bucky O'Hare. It's not exactly lost but it's almost impossible to find. I think it should be printed again just so it can exist and be seen, but it's probably one of a million titles that deserve the same treatment.
It's pretty interesting that Spawn vs Joker eventually became a thing in Mortal Kombat 11. It's also cool that some elements of the cancelled TMNT Future Tense comic made its way to the 2003 TMNT animated series, which based most of its episodes on stories from the Mirage run. The episode is called "Same As It Never Was" where Donatello was sent to a future where the Shredder started a dictatorship and controlled the entire world. It also featured older versions of Leonardo, Michelangelo, and Raphael wearing outfits almost similar to the ones on the comic's cover. And just like the executives at Archie said, that episode is considered as one of the most violent episodes in its run.
This is always such an interesting topic, I remember watching this video on lost movies from the silent era. We didn't just lose those movies we lost entire unique genres that could've inspired countless generations
I have a tale of lost media found again. I did music for and had a supporting role in an independent sci Fi comedy feature film called Spaced Out: An Intergalactic Crime Saga. My friend Dave Caulfield directed and cowrote the movie. I provided several original songs and played the "Space Ninja". This production was all done in the Olympia Washington area. We had a premier at the Capitol Theater and a few other showings in the greater Seattle area. Before the final cut could be sent to be made into DVDs and Blu-rays, the computer with all the data became inoperable and the data could not be recovered. I had a very rough cut and thought it was never going to be seen by the public again. Dave just told me recently that he found another copy of the final cut. The movie will live again.
This was an interesting look at comics that never were or had been lost. The one lost comic I know was a Phoenix mini-series that was meant to be written by Chirs Claremont in the 80's, which was supposed to be the bridge between Rachel Summer's departure from the X-Men to her appearance in Excalibur, which was also going to explore her relationship with Franklin Richards. It was announced in one of the letters pages but it never happened. In the 2000's a fan reached out to then editor Joe Quesada about what happened to it. I think he said something about there being a pay dispute with the artist but released a few unfinished pages of what would have been the first issue that had no dialogue.
I was a student at SCAD and knew the late great Tom Lyle while there. He told me about a comic he produced art for and pitched to Marvel where Namor sinks New York into the Hudson (it was a sequil to one of his other comics). Marvel decided not to go with the proposed story.
CIA interns must be seen! That landlord owes us an indie comedy classic. A friend of mine shot a feature length drama that had some of the most laughably shitty costumes and acting I've ever seen. Sadly, it's not available anywhere for viewing and my DVD got worn out from showing friends at parties. RIP.
The original release of The Tick (fully written and drawn by Ben Edlund) was exciting and unpredictable when a new issue came out. Issue #12 built up to a huge confrontation with a supervillain team (Next: Tora! Tora! Tora!) and we never got the next issue. Edlund was swept up in the animated series and writing for TV. Not complaining there! But there was an unfinished Tick 13 somewhere and the mystery of how the original series would have continued. Other runs of Tick comics by other writers had mixed results without Edlund's inimitable style and humor. A "pseudo" issue 13 was eventually released by other artists, statedly NOT Edlund's work, and decidedly underwhelming.
Great video! However (you knew a however was coming) you missed Swamp Thing 88 where Swampy meets Jesus. Rick Veitch and Michael Zulli were 90% done before DC pulled the plug.
Makes me think of my own lost media. When I was in the summer between 4th and 5th grades, during summer school (my siblings and I went regardless of our grades, because my mom was a single parent and we were four kids--she needed some way to have us looked after while she was at work), I was on the newsletter, and did some comic strips featuring my superhero character, Flame Thrower. There were four of the strips (plus two featuring his kid) and I still have copies of all the newsletters except the one that features the second strip (though the strips were published out of order, so I don't know whether it's an early, middle, or late issue I don't have). Considering I've been doing my own comics for a bit now, I've always wanted to reprint those as little bonuses, but I want it to be complete. But it's not like I can even expect people to have kept their copies of the newsletter (and this was back in 1994, so enough time has passed to pretty much ensure nobody even remembers), nor do I even remember who also had gone to summer school that year. Sure, the strips are written and drawn like a 9-year-old would create (basically nonsensical), but it's still something I'd love to get back.
You never know who might have kept something! Maybe you could post online asking for anyone who went to that camp during that time to see if they have a copy!
I did a long running superhero comic strip called The Goodie Bunch in my early teens that went on for several years. Heroes like JellyMan, the Lynx, Hose and Spectre against baddies like The Phantom Bottom Pincher, Candle, the alien Sitirab and professor Nosey. It went on for ages, but I lost it all when we moved house! It somehow all got thrown out. So annoying.
Yeah, I found my childhood drawings thrown out in the trash a time or two. Maybe it was retaliation for scratching off the inspection sticker on my mom's car.
Perfect term for DC vs Marvel: Unsatisfying. Why couldn't they make the issues double sized to make more room for fighting? They could still save the "winner" pages
The ending of the Image run of TMNT in the 90s was lost for a bit. Some fans took some of Frank Fosco's pencils and inked them to make a fan comic ending in 2011. Almost 20 years after the Image run was shutdown, Frank Fosco and Gary Carlson were able to finish the run with IDW.
The Lobo vs Wolverine fight I believe was half a joke by the writer. When asked about how Logan could beat the Main Man he answered that Wolverine payed Lobo behind that bar to throw the fight.
At one point I had two copies of Maxximum Sound, the audio recording of issues 1-3 of Image's The Maxx. Later on I sold one copy to a local collector's shop but the other one, which I still listened to on occasion, got lost in my buddy's car during a move. I really regret having lost it as there were a couple great songs and the audio mastering was phenomenal (like, you could here the whirring of the gas pumps under the narration at the start of one issue or, you could hear pennies rolling down the ally during the mugging that started the entire series).
Back in high school, a late acquaintance and I spent several weeks in art class working on a stop-motion clay animation of a skateboarding kid who kept getting hurt (think Mr. Bill from Saturday Night Live). This was on Super 8mm film stock, which meant we had to send the footage off to get developed at a lab. Unfortunately, it was lost in the mail (or the lab screwed up the processing and didn't want to own up to their mistake). Perhaps in the afterlife, he was able to get his hands on our work? Then again, there has to be better things to do on the other side than watching stuff like that.
The interesting unmade stuff I’ve thought about recently is canceled Mamoru Oshii directed Lupin III movie, apparently it would’ve involved very reality bending search of angel’s fossil and Lupin blown up by a nuclear bomb (I’m paraphrasing there’s a lot more), it’s very interesting premise and it would’ve been cool that’s be like, final Lupin series (at least Oshii and even Hayao Miyazaki who was originally offered the job thought it should be the end of the series) and the follow up to Cagliostro’s Castle that everyone talks about
But obviously premise was too crazy and as soon as TMS saw the script they just pull the plug and that collapsed that particular project though they did make the movie with different team
An interesting piece of lost-and-found media is the Golden Age Flash story "Strange Confession!" It was written by Robert Kanigher and drawn by Joe Kubert. It would have involved the Flash learning the Thorn's secret identity. Although it was made in the late 40s, the Flash comic was canceled before it was to be printed. In 1971 the last two pages of the story (which included a Green Lantern appearance) were printed in Lois Lane 113. Even though only two pages had been printed, the events of this story played a big role in the Thorn's later appearances in Infinity Inc. Eventually, in 2019, the full story was printed in the compilation "The Flash: 80 Years of the Fastest Man Alive".
I remember this happening with Marvel’s “Empyre” event, most specifically an issue involving Thor meeting his mother Gaea was cut short and he just appears later with green lightning/plant powers
I got lost on the freeway. So i called my old media studies teacher. He said "read some comics and everything will work out fine" so i did, and it was.
You have a great attitude about the episode not working. Pretty admirable because I know these take a lot of time to make. But you turned it into a great episode that we wouldn’t have gotten otherwise, so thank you!
My first thought was "The Will of William Wilson", a JSA story that was never published in the Golden Age. Over the years since, MOST of it has turned up but there are still gaps to be filled in. What has been found was published in the All-Star Companion by Roy Thomas.
There's a film I saw in the 80s called Fists. Pirates and Karate that has become lost media. It was a pirate martial arts film starring Richard Harrison, but it hasn't been seen in over 40 years.
Really glad I stumbled upon your channel years ago, before I really even got into comics. Your fill-in episodes are just as fascinating as your regular ones.
*Cary Nord sent me some photocopies of some Micronauts artwork we were gonna do back around 2000; but, it got canceled bc of some rights dispute before I ever inked a single page. The pencils were great! I still have the photocopies.*
Man, seeing Jim Aparo's art takes me back. Even as a kid I thought his style was a bit stiff, but I am very fond of it. That man must have drawn most backgrounds with a ruler at hand.
OH, MAN!!!!! I'm sorry about your lost movie scene. And sorry about your lost show. Glad to hear you're recreating it. Thanks for the great episode on lost media.
I’m pretty sure you can still develop that film by capturing a few flies from that area and resequencing their DNA. The information is all there, just buzzing around.
I think about Larsen’s lost Spidey work and warren Ellis losing his hard drive and so we never saw the end of Fell or New Universal. Now I’m wondering what else was on that hard drive. 🤔
This is a great replacement episode. I can't wait to see your intended one considering that this one is now a favourite of mine. Thanks for keeping me reading comics, Chris.
I think in this age of Kickstarter, we are going to see lots and lots (or rather, not see) of media that never see the light of day. I've got a few projects that never saw the light of day. One was a children's illustrated novel. I did all these pencil drawings, based around a young 12 year old girl who finds the Spear of Odin. The project cancelled. 2 hard drives of artwork died in succession...and I lost tons of artwork from about a 2 or 3 year stretch. As I wasn't great about backing up stuff then. I do have the pencil sketches buried in some box of artwork somewhere though. Maybe some day, when I stumble across them, I can scan it and show folks.
A friend of mine produced the entire album for what used to be a fairly large hip-hop artist, who was then dropped from the label before the album was released.
There are two big pieces of lost comic media I can think of, ironically both connected to video games: - Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog comics had a lot of their comics altered due to the legal battles with Ken Penders, including removing characters and outright changing storylines. - Dark Horse was supposed to publish a comic based off of ARMS, but then cancelled the book after a few years of silence. All we got from this was a few teaser pages.
A personal lost media story of mine. Me and some friends where did a podcast that tied into a comic book company we plan on launching. It was part us just talking about comics and other geek stuff and part behind the scenes as we would talk about the work we were doing. Because of the later part my friend thought it was best until after we released our work to put out the podcast....well we recorded months of stuff and then his computer crashed and everything was lost.
Great attitude to have about the film eaten by maggots of all things, and the audio not turning out right on the last episode. Very frustrating but I admire your perspective about things like these.
Great episode. I'm a big fan of "lost media" and this episode reminded me of one of my favorite pieces of lost comic media, issue 13 of "Hepcats". TL:DR version: "Hepcats", written and illustrated by Martin Wagner, was a critically acclaimed, but poor-selling self-published comic in the early 1990s that ran for 12 issues. After its initial demise 1994, it was picked up by Antarctic Press in 1996. Antarctic Press reprinted the first 12 issues with the intent of restarting the comic with issue 13. This never happened. Wagner claims the 13th issue was delivered but Antarctic Press canceled the series before it went to print. Antarctic Press editor, Ben Dunn, claims the issue was never delivered and that constant delays on Wagner's part are why the series was canceled. Despite attempts by Wagner to relaunch the comic online, issue 13 has never surfaced.
Lost media I can recall. One which you can find through google was Marvel's Secret Wars II issue 1. It was pencilled by Sal Buscema and comparing it with Al Milgrom's work is a fascinating contrast. Jae Lee placed an unpublished issue of his 2nd mini for Hellshock in a trade years ago. It's all in black and white and absolutely gorgeous. Sam Kieth had placed his contribution for Darker Image #2 of the Maxx in an artist's edition published years ago. Great episode Chris!
Good show. I remember reading the Previews catalog back in the day. This was at the time that Hal Jordan went nuts and destroyed the corp. That wasn't the story originally solicited. So the turning evil got tossed in quick. I remember seeing one page of the cover from GL 48 I think of the Guardians returning and the GL's and other Guardians looking confused. Can't find any images though.
Forever War is alive and being worked on by Chris Allen. It has been in production since 2019 and is getting released, hopefully, sometime this year. Ashcans have been done of individual issues but there will be a trade and hardcover. This is a fan project but they used all existing written material and then filled in as needed. They worked closely with the original creators to ensure it stayed on brand. Worth checking out if you are a massive fan.
I waited for YEARS for Adam Hughes' All-Star Wonder Woman. He had been working on it for so long, I know there have to be several completed pages, but we'll probably never see them.
Off the top of my head, I think of Bill Waterson's college comics (I don't believe they had a name) from when he attended Ohio's Kenyan College. You can find a few online, but I'm sure the college paper is archived on campus somewhere and just has a bunch of his early work that nobody his seen in decades. Similarly, director Robert Rodriguez did a comic when he attended the University of Texas called Los Hooligans. Again, you can find a few strips online, but there's got to be a bunch out there just waiting to be seen. It was only a few years ago when Quinton Reviews tracked down Garfield creator Jim Davis' early strip Gnorm Gnat and showed the world what it looked like, in the process accidently discovering a proto-Garfield comic named Jon. I'm sure local and university papers are filled with hidden early works of future famous people. Imagine all the stuff future Simpsons writers had published in the Harvard Lampoon.
The First thing that comes to my mind (mostly due to how recent and prominent It was) Is that "New Warriors" miniseries by (i think) Dan Kibblesmith that was announced but never published due to backlash (the one with Snowflake and Safe space)
That is such a comic book backstory twist though! Three friends, dreaming of creating movies, and because of one cheapskate landlord their entire film project is eaten by maggots.
For the marvel vs DC book, i think the rules were that they just had to momentarily immobilize their opponent. So while there are still problems with certain characters winning their fights, it's more plausible than a fight to the death.
Storm defeating Wonder Woman was one of the dumbest outcomes to the DC vs Marvel miniseries... especially when she was already super-powered up with Thor's hammer on top of her already god-tier abilities. The writers couldn't think of any good way to end it, so they made Diana willingly drop Thor's hammer to have "a fair fight" (like Diana fighting Ororo is fair to begin with), where then Storm immediately spammed lightning over and over like a gaming bug until Wonder Woman couldn't fight anymore. WTF.
There was that a day with SpongeBob movie a few years ago. Nobody could find a copy of it and nobody could find anything about the distribution company on the cover. My mom had a compilation dvd of a bunch of lifetime channel movies and the distributor was the same one as a day with SpongeBob. I could have added my own piece to that puzzle, but that dvd disappeared. My dad probably just threw it out, cus my mom would never put DVD’s away and just left them in a stack by the tv.
Around 2008-2009 there was to be a comic book based on Vampire Hunter D titled "Vampire Hunter D:American Wasteland". An exists for the concept, but never materialized.
I believe Alan Moore had half of the 1963 Annual written that would have finished the Image Comics 1963 series by bringing it into the modern day. Not sure if that partially written script has ever surfaced but I don’t recall ever seeing it ☹️
Reminds me of my college days. The science fiction club made a short film on video called P: The Invasion of the Philosophy Majors. Maybe some of the other people involved have a copy of it still, but I lost my copy at some point.
The variant cover for Batman by Rafael Albuquerque where the joker is putting a smile to Batgirl as soon as I saw it I was like "this cover is awesome" one because Rafael is one of my favorite comic book artist, and second because the killing joke is the comic that changed my life when I was still a kid it made me realize that comics are not just for kids, anyway as soon as I saw it I asked my local comics shop to get it for me, turns out this was pulled from ever being printed I was a little angry because the attention that got from people that don't even read comic books, and so it made me angry for a few months, a few years later Raphael did a sketch at the DC comics booth at SDCC (the video is on youtube) he sketched Batman I was there but I was running late because I was already at another panel that got delayed, so I arrived as soon as they were asking the question to win the sketch asked someone what was the questions knew it answered and he gave it to me, Rafael was really nice to me even took a picture with him, I got my fix and I still wish that cover would have made it to print but hey you can't win them all.
Btw, Chris, the Batman / Spawn crossover for 2006 was going to be titled "Spawn/Batman: Inner Demons" and was going to be the sequel to 1994's "Spawn/Batman". There was even a statue based on one of the variant covers for it. I remember seeing the statue in my local comic book store. I often wonder who was the lucky person who bought it.
So sorry to to hear about your technical troubles - never fun to see a lot of hard work go to waste. But this was a great save imo, really fascinating topic and amazing you managed to put it together so quickly. Insane about the destroyed film! Would have been fun to watch. Maybe take another crack at that script? It sounds like a grood premise actually.
14:54 Oh man, there’s so much lost media I can talk about - ranging from lost video games such as the 1991 Sonic 1 prototype that has yet to resurface to the anime and manga such as an Alive adaption by Gonzo but was cancelled
TV show Sledge hammer City got blown up at end of season one they brought show back without explaining how city survived did not last long. Weather Wizard beat Wonder Woman before also. Mr. Twister had beaten Robin, Kid Flash and Aqualad but later lost to Robin.
I've been waiting for 7 years for Bill Sienkiewicz' book "Parisian White," which was touted as his return to monthly comics with fully painted interiors. I had completely given up on it ever coming out, but apparently it's coming out later on this year. I'll believe it when I see it.
Infinity put out a comic that no-one seems to remember called Counter Strike. Two issues came out, a third issue was solicited but as far as I know it was never released.
You mixed up the artist-writer in "The Forever War". Steve Murphy (Dean Clarrain) was the writer. Chris Allan was the artist. Allan did one issue, Murphy wrote two. Both of them left the Archie series, though.
Thats cool that you helped him rember the differents between these correctly. A lot of people in comment sections jus want to say great video or complain but you did something helphul and noble.
Not to be the “Actually…” guy, but Batman 426 had a “1-900” number you could call to decide Robin’s fate; not a “1-800” number.
The difference (for all you youngins) is that 1-800 numbers are toll free; whereas 1-900 numbers charged a fee to your phone bill. The two phone numbers listed (in which you could call to vote) were located on the back page of Batman 426 and cost 50¢ per call/vote.
On the bright side, ‘eaten by maggots’ is certainly an interesting way to lose something.
Lost my hamster that way.
I didnt know maggots could eat films
Sounds like a great death metal album
Its also a good name for a death metal album
Literal consumers.
The Wolverine versus Lobo reveal was an outright insult
One of the greatest lost comics: Alan Moore and Bill Sienkiewicz's Big Numbers. Two issues were published, a third was drawn, but that was it.
I think the big one that I can recall for a lost media and comics was the original version of Superman that Siegel and Schuster tried to shop around a few years before the character was published in Action Comics #1. Schuster destroying the book in a fire cost us the only known version, but considering their lack of success in publishing the book, one can understand that he was upset. Although we still have the cover, it would have been fascinating to see how much the character had changed between their first efforts to publish the character and the one that finally made it which we all know. Of course back in those days nobody knew that these characters were going to outlive them and go on for generations.
The cover of that issue actually survived!
@@-Teague- Do you happen to know what particular collection it resides in? I'd love to see at least a picture of it.
In 1999, Argentinian comicbook writer Ricardo Barreiro was writing an official* sequel miniseries to _El Eternauta_ called "El Eternauta: Odio Cosmico" along with artist Walter Taborda. Barreiro died shortly before the second issue was published, and if I remember correctly a third issue was published with a delay but they couldn't extract the script for the fourth from Barreiro's computer so whatever plans they had for the comic had to be reworked into a shorter graphic novel with a different writer.
*I say "official" because after the original writer was killed by the millitary junta in the 70s, someone made an apocryphal "Eternauta 3" miniseries (yes, there's an "Eternauta 2" by the same writer an artist of the original, it was among the last comicbooks H.G. Oestersheld finished before dying)
7:47 According to Peter David, most of the fight was done off-panel because they've found no conceivabel way Logan could beat Lobo.
If you hadn't told us this was a last-minute fill-in, I would have assumed it was the regular episode you had planned for this week. That's how good it was. You could probably do entire episodes about the 1963 Annual and Big Numbers.
Chris is Ken Jeong’s friend? You are one well connected comic book TH-camr, sir
Yeah, that was cool to hear. Don't know if they're still in touch, but how cool would it be to see him on Comic Tropes?
This news certainly is a Chang of pace... Damn impressed!
I’m still in touch with Ken. He’s a really sweet and hardworking guy.
I think he’s good friends with Kirkman as well
There was a Doctor Strange series back in the day that never was brought out. It did have a one page teaser that was promoted in one page adverts. I think Jerry Bingham was the artist.
Back in the early 80’s , Irish Fantasy artist Jim Fitzpatrick was working with Stan Lee on a new comic for Marvel. He went on The Late Late Show here in Ireland which is the longest running chat show in the world, the discuss the project and other art and the tv show people lost the artwork and the comic never came to be. I feel this would have been huge …. Fitzpatrick illustrated many Thin Lizzy album covers as well as the famous image of Che Guevara that’s seen everywhere. His Celtic warrior art is his best stuff in my opinion though.
I picked up a collect of his celtic work in Dublin in 1997. It's one of those book that I marked "to be buried with".
In 1975 I spent a couple of weeks in Dublin, Ireland. At that time the restaurant Captain America's Cookhouse, on Grafton Street, had the walls decorated with a set of murals of Marvel characters by Jim Fitzpatrick.
@@gdp3rd amazingly, they are still there!
The one that immediately came to mind for me was the story of Alan Weiss leaving a bunch of pencilled pages of a 1976 Warlock story in a cab that were never recovered.
NOOOOOO THAT COULD'VE CHANGED THE COURSE OF COSMIC MARVEL HE'S AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER NOOOO
I loved the official Batman v. Captain America confrontation from one of the Avengers vs. JLA books. They meet on a rooftop in the pouring rain. They tense and prepare to fight. Each time one moves a fraction of an inch the other shifts slightly to prepare a counter move. Finally Batman just stand up straight and tells Captain America "You'd take me... but it would take a LONG time."
@@TheBigGSN5 comics cap literally does have super strength wth
From the top of my head, I think there's at least an issue of George Pérez (RIP)'s Crimson Plague that never saw print. But, as you hint, this stuff happens A LOT.
Great as always, cheers from Argentina!
This video has me thinking about all the unknown comics out there. From 1986-1991 I made a little over 150 of my own homemade comics. I'm not much of an artist but I really enjoyed making them. I wonder how many other people have done something similar that we'll never see. Cool video. Hope you're doing well.
My brother made literal hundreds of comics as a kid and teen, and I'm happy to have had the privilege of being his only audience. Those comics were so fun and innocent. He kept making comics into his twenties, but time gets harder to come by the older you get, so it seems unlikely he'll make another comic now. Really a shame.
I've seen a trade of this comic before, but it was an old pocket book and I don't even know who would have the publication rights to it is Bucky O'Hare. It's not exactly lost but it's almost impossible to find. I think it should be printed again just so it can exist and be seen, but it's probably one of a million titles that deserve the same treatment.
It's pretty interesting that Spawn vs Joker eventually became a thing in Mortal Kombat 11.
It's also cool that some elements of the cancelled TMNT Future Tense comic made its way to the 2003 TMNT animated series, which based most of its episodes on stories from the Mirage run. The episode is called "Same As It Never Was" where Donatello was sent to a future where the Shredder started a dictatorship and controlled the entire world. It also featured older versions of Leonardo, Michelangelo, and Raphael wearing outfits almost similar to the ones on the comic's cover. And just like the executives at Archie said, that episode is considered as one of the most violent episodes in its run.
Didn't that episode end with the future turtles dying?
@@ninjanicktf9768 it did.
@@DIASTCartoons I remember finding the ending to that episode really sad as a kid.
This is always such an interesting topic, I remember watching this video on lost movies from the silent era. We didn't just lose those movies we lost entire unique genres that could've inspired countless generations
The idea of Lobo vs Wolverine deserves a whole adventure! That sucks to hear that the actually thing was disappointing.
I have a tale of lost media found again. I did music for and had a supporting role in an independent sci Fi comedy feature film called Spaced Out: An Intergalactic Crime Saga. My friend Dave Caulfield directed and cowrote the movie. I provided several original songs and played the "Space Ninja". This production was all done in the Olympia Washington area. We had a premier at the Capitol Theater and a few other showings in the greater Seattle area. Before the final cut could be sent to be made into DVDs and Blu-rays, the computer with all the data became inoperable and the data could not be recovered. I had a very rough cut and thought it was never going to be seen by the public again. Dave just told me recently that he found another copy of the final cut. The movie will live again.
Always, always, always make multiple back ups. Glad your friend found it though. Greetings from just North of Olympia.
This was an interesting look at comics that never were or had been lost. The one lost comic I know was a Phoenix mini-series that was meant to be written by Chirs Claremont in the 80's, which was supposed to be the bridge between Rachel Summer's departure from the X-Men to her appearance in Excalibur, which was also going to explore her relationship with Franklin Richards. It was announced in one of the letters pages but it never happened. In the 2000's a fan reached out to then editor Joe Quesada about what happened to it. I think he said something about there being a pay dispute with the artist but released a few unfinished pages of what would have been the first issue that had no dialogue.
I was a student at SCAD and knew the late great Tom Lyle while there. He told me about a comic he produced art for and pitched to Marvel where Namor sinks New York into the Hudson (it was a sequil to one of his other comics). Marvel decided not to go with the proposed story.
CIA interns must be seen! That landlord owes us an indie comedy classic.
A friend of mine shot a feature length drama that had some of the most laughably shitty costumes and acting I've ever seen. Sadly, it's not available anywhere for viewing and my DVD got worn out from showing friends at parties. RIP.
The original release of The Tick (fully written and drawn by Ben Edlund) was exciting and unpredictable when a new issue came out. Issue #12 built up to a huge confrontation with a supervillain team (Next: Tora! Tora! Tora!) and we never got the next issue. Edlund was swept up in the animated series and writing for TV. Not complaining there! But there was an unfinished Tick 13 somewhere and the mystery of how the original series would have continued. Other runs of Tick comics by other writers had mixed results without Edlund's inimitable style and humor. A "pseudo" issue 13 was eventually released by other artists, statedly NOT Edlund's work, and decidedly underwhelming.
So after edlunds originak run he didnt write or draw any more tick? Just involved with the show
Great video! However (you knew a however was coming) you missed Swamp Thing 88 where Swampy meets Jesus. Rick Veitch and Michael Zulli were 90% done before DC pulled the plug.
Makes me think of my own lost media. When I was in the summer between 4th and 5th grades, during summer school (my siblings and I went regardless of our grades, because my mom was a single parent and we were four kids--she needed some way to have us looked after while she was at work), I was on the newsletter, and did some comic strips featuring my superhero character, Flame Thrower. There were four of the strips (plus two featuring his kid) and I still have copies of all the newsletters except the one that features the second strip (though the strips were published out of order, so I don't know whether it's an early, middle, or late issue I don't have). Considering I've been doing my own comics for a bit now, I've always wanted to reprint those as little bonuses, but I want it to be complete. But it's not like I can even expect people to have kept their copies of the newsletter (and this was back in 1994, so enough time has passed to pretty much ensure nobody even remembers), nor do I even remember who also had gone to summer school that year. Sure, the strips are written and drawn like a 9-year-old would create (basically nonsensical), but it's still something I'd love to get back.
You never know who might have kept something! Maybe you could post online asking for anyone who went to that camp during that time to see if they have a copy!
When you said maggots ate the film my heart sank😢
4:50 Pretty sure they re-used that page for the comic that explained how Jason came back to life during the Under the Red Hood storyline
Yes, it was definitely reused
I did a long running superhero comic strip called The Goodie Bunch in my early teens that went on for several years. Heroes like JellyMan, the Lynx, Hose and Spectre against baddies like The Phantom Bottom Pincher, Candle, the alien Sitirab and professor Nosey. It went on for ages, but I lost it all when we moved house! It somehow all got thrown out. So annoying.
Yeah, I found my childhood drawings thrown out in the trash a time or two. Maybe it was retaliation for scratching off the inspection sticker on my mom's car.
You should try and recreate them from memory that would be cool
Maybe with the Goodie Bunch just create a new complete comic with the characters.
Perfect term for DC vs Marvel: Unsatisfying. Why couldn't they make the issues double sized to make more room for fighting? They could still save the "winner" pages
I’d love an episode dedicated to the great work of Jim Aparo
100% THIS.
Also Breyfogle (RIP)
The ending of the Image run of TMNT in the 90s was lost for a bit. Some fans took some of Frank Fosco's pencils and inked them to make a fan comic ending in 2011. Almost 20 years after the Image run was shutdown, Frank Fosco and Gary Carlson were able to finish the run with IDW.
Dude seeing you discuss Marvel/DC vs DC/Marvel and the TMNT Adventures really made my morning! TMNTA was the first series I collected!
Hey you caught me losing my media 😂. Awesome video as always mate
The Lobo vs Wolverine fight I believe was half a joke by the writer. When asked about how Logan could beat the Main Man he answered that Wolverine payed Lobo behind that bar to throw the fight.
If you get your hands on the Canceled Comics Calvacade it would make a great episode
Yessss
Among the stories in this was that of Jed Walker (Sandman Bronze Age and Gaiman's series) learning that he was the Earth-1 version of Kamandi.
I hope that episode gets made one day
I’ve always found the alternate pages they drew for death in the family interesting.
At one point I had two copies of Maxximum Sound, the audio recording of issues 1-3 of Image's The Maxx. Later on I sold one copy to a local collector's shop but the other one, which I still listened to on occasion, got lost in my buddy's car during a move. I really regret having lost it as there were a couple great songs and the audio mastering was phenomenal (like, you could here the whirring of the gas pumps under the narration at the start of one issue or, you could hear pennies rolling down the ally during the mugging that started the entire series).
Back in high school, a late acquaintance and I spent several weeks in art class working on a stop-motion clay animation of a skateboarding kid who kept getting hurt (think Mr. Bill from Saturday Night Live). This was on Super 8mm film stock, which meant we had to send the footage off to get developed at a lab.
Unfortunately, it was lost in the mail (or the lab screwed up the processing and didn't want to own up to their mistake).
Perhaps in the afterlife, he was able to get his hands on our work? Then again, there has to be better things to do on the other side than watching stuff like that.
Great video! I don't know if this counts as lost media but the Frank Miller Dr. Strange series was advertised but never came to fruition.
Good call! That should totally count.
The interesting unmade stuff I’ve thought about recently is canceled Mamoru Oshii directed Lupin III movie, apparently it would’ve involved very reality bending search of angel’s fossil and Lupin blown up by a nuclear bomb (I’m paraphrasing there’s a lot more), it’s very interesting premise and it would’ve been cool that’s be like, final Lupin series (at least Oshii and even Hayao Miyazaki who was originally offered the job thought it should be the end of the series) and the follow up to Cagliostro’s Castle that everyone talks about
But obviously premise was too crazy and as soon as TMS saw the script they just pull the plug and that collapsed that particular project though they did make the movie with different team
An interesting piece of lost-and-found media is the Golden Age Flash story "Strange Confession!" It was written by Robert Kanigher and drawn by Joe Kubert. It would have involved the Flash learning the Thorn's secret identity. Although it was made in the late 40s, the Flash comic was canceled before it was to be printed. In 1971 the last two pages of the story (which included a Green Lantern appearance) were printed in Lois Lane 113. Even though only two pages had been printed, the events of this story played a big role in the Thorn's later appearances in Infinity Inc. Eventually, in 2019, the full story was printed in the compilation "The Flash: 80 Years of the Fastest Man Alive".
I remember this happening with Marvel’s “Empyre” event, most specifically an issue involving Thor meeting his mother Gaea was cut short and he just appears later with green lightning/plant powers
I got lost on the freeway. So i called my old media studies teacher. He said "read some comics and everything will work out fine" so i did, and it was.
You have a great attitude about the episode not working. Pretty admirable because I know these take a lot of time to make. But you turned it into a great episode that we wouldn’t have gotten otherwise, so thank you!
My first thought was "The Will of William Wilson", a JSA story that was never published in the Golden Age. Over the years since, MOST of it has turned up but there are still gaps to be filled in. What has been found was published in the All-Star Companion by Roy Thomas.
There's a film I saw in the 80s called Fists. Pirates and Karate that has become lost media. It was a pirate martial arts film starring Richard Harrison, but it hasn't been seen in over 40 years.
Really glad I stumbled upon your channel years ago, before I really even got into comics. Your fill-in episodes are just as fascinating as your regular ones.
*Cary Nord sent me some photocopies of some Micronauts artwork we were gonna do back around 2000; but, it got canceled bc of some rights dispute before I ever inked a single page. The pencils were great! I still have the photocopies.*
Man, seeing Jim Aparo's art takes me back. Even as a kid I thought his style was a bit stiff, but I am very fond of it. That man must have drawn most backgrounds with a ruler at hand.
His Batman style was more dynamic in the early 70s and seemed quite similar to Neal Adams at the time.
OH, MAN!!!!! I'm sorry about your lost movie scene. And sorry about your lost show. Glad to hear you're recreating it. Thanks for the great episode on lost media.
I’m pretty sure you can still develop that film by capturing a few flies from that area and resequencing their DNA. The information is all there, just buzzing around.
That's the premise of a Troma sci-fi movie 😂
I think about Larsen’s lost Spidey work and warren Ellis losing his hard drive and so we never saw the end of Fell or New Universal.
Now I’m wondering what else was on that hard drive. 🤔
This is a great replacement episode. I can't wait to see your intended one considering that this one is now a favourite of mine.
Thanks for keeping me reading comics, Chris.
I think in this age of Kickstarter, we are going to see lots and lots (or rather, not see) of media that never see the light of day.
I've got a few projects that never saw the light of day. One was a children's illustrated novel. I did all these pencil drawings, based around a young 12 year old girl who finds the Spear of Odin. The project cancelled. 2 hard drives of artwork died in succession...and I lost tons of artwork from about a 2 or 3 year stretch. As I wasn't great about backing up stuff then. I do have the pencil sketches buried in some box of artwork somewhere though. Maybe some day, when I stumble across them, I can scan it and show folks.
Thanks for the heads up on the Little Nemo HC book,Chris! Interesting fill in show🎯⚡️👍!!👋
A friend of mine produced the entire album for what used to be a fairly large hip-hop artist, who was then dropped from the label before the album was released.
THE LAST DANGEROUS VISIONS. This is the ultimate "Lost Media" thing.
There are two big pieces of lost comic media I can think of, ironically both connected to video games:
- Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog comics had a lot of their comics altered due to the legal battles with Ken Penders, including removing characters and outright changing storylines.
- Dark Horse was supposed to publish a comic based off of ARMS, but then cancelled the book after a few years of silence. All we got from this was a few teaser pages.
Other lost media- How about All Star Batman & Robin? Maybe in this case, being lost is a blessing in disguise.😆
"He's alive!" Wow, that panel is so funny..!
As another filmmaker (and one who shot his first few projects on film) that story made my stomach hurt.
😳 How do flies and maggots get into film canisters inside a freezer, inside a fridge?!? Such a bummer. Nature is a beeyotch 😣
Nature is the only reason you exist and shouldn't be disrespected. They obviously didn't store their film in a good enough environment.
@@-Teague- Calm your jets, Teaguey, I'm a vegetarian and a dog rescuer 😅
@@awabooks9886 I'm calm, and was when I said that. I just think you shouldn't have said that last sentence.
A personal lost media story of mine. Me and some friends where did a podcast that tied into a comic book company we plan on launching. It was part us just talking about comics and other geek stuff and part behind the scenes as we would talk about the work we were doing. Because of the later part my friend thought it was best until after we released our work to put out the podcast....well we recorded months of stuff and then his computer crashed and everything was lost.
Chris DC had the cancelled comic cavalcade that was printed for inter-office use in the first slaughter clean out in the late 70s.
I guess Chris's improv skills are still strong lol great impromptu video
Great attitude to have about the film eaten by maggots of all things, and the audio not turning out right on the last episode. Very frustrating but I admire your perspective about things like these.
Great episode. I'm a big fan of "lost media" and this episode reminded me of one of my favorite pieces of lost comic media, issue 13 of "Hepcats". TL:DR version: "Hepcats", written and illustrated by Martin Wagner, was a critically acclaimed, but poor-selling self-published comic in the early 1990s that ran for 12 issues. After its initial demise 1994, it was picked up by Antarctic Press in 1996. Antarctic Press reprinted the first 12 issues with the intent of restarting the comic with issue 13. This never happened. Wagner claims the 13th issue was delivered but Antarctic Press canceled the series before it went to print. Antarctic Press editor, Ben Dunn, claims the issue was never delivered and that constant delays on Wagner's part are why the series was canceled. Despite attempts by Wagner to relaunch the comic online, issue 13 has never surfaced.
Lost media I can recall. One which you can find through google was Marvel's Secret Wars II issue 1. It was pencilled by Sal Buscema and comparing it with Al Milgrom's work is a fascinating contrast. Jae Lee placed an unpublished issue of his 2nd mini for Hellshock in a trade years ago. It's all in black and white and absolutely gorgeous. Sam Kieth had placed his contribution for Darker Image #2 of the Maxx in an artist's edition published years ago. Great episode Chris!
I would love to see you and your friends' movie. Sounds like a fun premise!
Good show. I remember reading the Previews catalog back in the day. This was at the time that Hal Jordan went nuts and destroyed the corp. That wasn't the story originally solicited. So the turning evil got tossed in quick. I remember seeing one page of the cover from GL 48 I think of the Guardians returning and the GL's and other Guardians looking confused. Can't find any images though.
There was a Doctor strange one page solicitation that had Frank Miller drawing the book, but it never was released. Jut the one page ad was it
Forever War is alive and being worked on by Chris Allen. It has been in production since 2019 and is getting released, hopefully, sometime this year. Ashcans have been done of individual issues but there will be a trade and hardcover. This is a fan project but they used all existing written material and then filled in as needed. They worked closely with the original creators to ensure it stayed on brand. Worth checking out if you are a massive fan.
I waited for YEARS for Adam Hughes' All-Star Wonder Woman. He had been working on it for so long, I know there have to be several completed pages, but we'll probably never see them.
Off the top of my head, I think of Bill Waterson's college comics (I don't believe they had a name) from when he attended Ohio's Kenyan College. You can find a few online, but I'm sure the college paper is archived on campus somewhere and just has a bunch of his early work that nobody his seen in decades. Similarly, director Robert Rodriguez did a comic when he attended the University of Texas called Los Hooligans. Again, you can find a few strips online, but there's got to be a bunch out there just waiting to be seen. It was only a few years ago when Quinton Reviews tracked down Garfield creator Jim Davis' early strip Gnorm Gnat and showed the world what it looked like, in the process accidently discovering a proto-Garfield comic named Jon. I'm sure local and university papers are filled with hidden early works of future famous people. Imagine all the stuff future Simpsons writers had published in the Harvard Lampoon.
The First thing that comes to my mind (mostly due to how recent and prominent It was) Is that "New Warriors" miniseries by (i think) Dan Kibblesmith that was announced but never published due to backlash (the one with Snowflake and Safe space)
That is such a comic book backstory twist though!
Three friends, dreaming of creating movies, and because of one cheapskate landlord their entire film project is eaten by maggots.
Hope you get better soon
I did not know that you had to put film canisters in a freezer.
For the marvel vs DC book, i think the rules were that they just had to momentarily immobilize their opponent. So while there are still problems with certain characters winning their fights, it's more plausible than a fight to the death.
I wish we would have gotten JLA/Avengers in 1982 as well as the other one.
Storm defeating Wonder Woman was one of the dumbest outcomes to the DC vs Marvel miniseries... especially when she was already super-powered up with Thor's hammer on top of her already god-tier abilities. The writers couldn't think of any good way to end it, so they made Diana willingly drop Thor's hammer to have "a fair fight" (like Diana fighting Ororo is fair to begin with), where then Storm immediately spammed lightning over and over like a gaming bug until Wonder Woman couldn't fight anymore. WTF.
There was that a day with SpongeBob movie a few years ago. Nobody could find a copy of it and nobody could find anything about the distribution company on the cover. My mom had a compilation dvd of a bunch of lifetime channel movies and the distributor was the same one as a day with SpongeBob. I could have added my own piece to that puzzle, but that dvd disappeared. My dad probably just threw it out, cus my mom would never put DVD’s away and just left them in a stack by the tv.
oh wow, sorry to hear for losing all that work. Good video
Around 2008-2009 there was to be a comic book based on Vampire Hunter D titled "Vampire Hunter D:American Wasteland". An exists for the concept, but never materialized.
This was a really cool video. I know that Chris put it together last minute, but I think that made the video kinda charming. 🙃
I believe Alan Moore had half of the 1963 Annual written that would have finished the Image Comics 1963 series by bringing it into the modern day. Not sure if that partially written script has ever surfaced but I don’t recall ever seeing it ☹️
The Fleetway "Sonic The Comic" comics have never been reproduced or collected in graphic novels.
Reminds me of my college days. The science fiction club made a short film on video called P: The Invasion of the Philosophy Majors. Maybe some of the other people involved have a copy of it still, but I lost my copy at some point.
The variant cover for Batman by Rafael Albuquerque where the joker is putting a smile to Batgirl as soon as I saw it I was like "this cover is awesome" one because Rafael is one of my favorite comic book artist, and second because the killing joke is the comic that changed my life when I was still a kid it made me realize that comics are not just for kids, anyway as soon as I saw it I asked my local comics shop to get it for me, turns out this was pulled from ever being printed I was a little angry because the attention that got from people that don't even read comic books, and so it made me angry for a few months, a few years later Raphael did a sketch at the DC comics booth at SDCC (the video is on youtube) he sketched Batman I was there but I was running late because I was already at another panel that got delayed, so I arrived as soon as they were asking the question to win the sketch asked someone what was the questions knew it answered and he gave it to me, Rafael was really nice to me even took a picture with him, I got my fix and I still wish that cover would have made it to print but hey you can't win them all.
I had some of the marvel comics made for charity where the plates were broken after publication(Hulk vs Juggernaut for example).
Btw, Chris, the Batman / Spawn crossover for 2006 was going to be titled "Spawn/Batman: Inner Demons" and was going to be the sequel to 1994's "Spawn/Batman". There was even a statue based on one of the variant covers for it. I remember seeing the statue in my local comic book store. I often wonder who was the lucky person who bought it.
So sorry to to hear about your technical troubles - never fun to see a lot of hard work go to waste.
But this was a great save imo, really fascinating topic and amazing you managed to put it together so quickly. Insane about the destroyed film! Would have been fun to watch. Maybe take another crack at that script? It sounds like a grood premise actually.
14:54 Oh man, there’s so much lost media I can talk about - ranging from lost video games such as the 1991 Sonic 1 prototype that has yet to resurface to the anime and manga such as an Alive adaption by Gonzo but was cancelled
TV show Sledge hammer City got blown up at end of season one they brought show back without explaining how city survived did not last long. Weather Wizard beat Wonder Woman before also. Mr. Twister had beaten Robin, Kid Flash and Aqualad but later lost to Robin.
This was a very cool episode that I for one am very glad we got.
I've been waiting for 7 years for Bill Sienkiewicz' book "Parisian White," which was touted as his return to monthly comics with fully painted interiors. I had completely given up on it ever coming out, but apparently it's coming out later on this year. I'll believe it when I see it.
Infinity put out a comic that no-one seems to remember called Counter Strike. Two issues came out, a third issue was solicited but as far as I know it was never released.
Maggots Ate My Movie
I would watch that or read comic called that.
Have you ever seen John Byrne's "Phoenix: The Untold Story?" Wouldn't that be another example?