In the 50-60s my uncle drove one for the City of Boston. He would say “the city hasn’t make a curb yet I haven’t hit at least twice”. 😂 EVERYONE knew him...RIP Jack.
Can't beat a Seagrave LOL! My company E4 Baltimore City we had the oldest first-line engine when I was assigned in 91. That 74 Seagrave was awesome all year round, 5 speed, manual pump shift, Detroit Diesel, 500 gals of water, 20 gals protein foam, 1,400 ft hose from 5 inch to 1/2 inch, 4 air packs and spare bottles, ground ladders and other equipment.
I'm from back in the olden days when all you had was a boat light over the tractor roof. No inter com system's,no vehicle AC, no hoods and only the officer had the radio
Windsor Corbin, I remember those days, when you sat in the aerial and had to clear the seat, windshield and steering wheel before you could stick the roof. A buzzer on the floor let you communicate with the driver in the Bermuda cab” no roof”. The Tillerman had a radio so you could hear what is going on. You should know your district and where you are responding to so you never get fooled by an unanticipated turn. My department went away from tiller trucks to straight trucks with heavy-duty aerial. The new tillers are so big now that they don't fit in our stations with arched apparatus doorways. Tillering is by far the most fun you can have driving fire apparatus. Damn, I miss it.
Noah Smith Yes. The tiller driver and tractor driver both wear headsets so they have constant communication. If the headsets were to fail, they have backup devices they can use such as turn signals, and a buzzer system that allows preset communication.
I sent someone this video because we just watched a hook and ladder negotiate some crazy crowded spaces, without any kind of radio, just a dude leaning out of open windows. This is crazy enough! I can't even imagine...
To make turning easier, put a spinner knob on the steering wheel. Makes it way easier to make turns. You can find them at any vehicle automotive department.
I once saw this Tiller pull a bad ass maneuver in Riverside Ca. They were headed code 3 in the opposing lanes and had to switch over due to traffic stopped at a traffic light. There wasn't enough room to make a regular lane switch so the tiller drifted his end in order to avoided colliding with traffic stopped.
I'm imagining myself doing this and then after shift hopping into my car and BAM! Turn the steering wheel the wrong way. That story would be hard to sell to the cops.
Now thats a great view, did I happen to see a lever on the steering wheel, if so, what is that used for, and secondly, compared to everything that the driver has up front, do you have anything like that in the rear portion, like pedals etc?????? Also, is that power steering as well or mannual???????
Hello Andrew, let me see if I can answer some of your questions. You did see correctly, there are actually a couple of levers on the steering column. The manufacturer uses a standard column for both the front and the rear (I believe) so there is a turn signal lever (isn't hooked up in the rear) and a steering wheel adjustment lever. There are no pedals for the rear driver; and yes, it is power steering.
Well I was able to "follow" it until it got up on Santa Fe Dr/W 87th, but lost it after that....did not know Lenexa even had a tiller...let me guess Pierce?
Pretty straight shot driving take that thing down town kcmo different story retired firefighter of 32 yrs good start on educationing the public on getting to the alarm is start of the battle
Fellow firefighter here caught the station 51 tones prior to the Locution broadcast. Also heard the seat belt chirps start at 2:12 before the operator unbuckled at scene, I guess this must be a Pierce
Fully enclosed tiller cab, air seat, T/T power steering. Tillermen have it made nowadays. I've talked with old timers in the Buffalo Fire Department who were tillermen when they had open air cabs and Armstrong steering.
"Tillermen have it made nowadays." why is it actually still a thing today, with automatic and adaptive rear-wheel steering being on the market for years?
+Kandi Klover (Fursuiter Furry) Yes, and also it would be worse because the fire department would have to call a tow truck for every emergency and that is a slow process.
I've always wondered if it's a strange feeling for the tiller operator when these things are turning. Also seems like something that would be a pain to back up.
That looks fun in the UK it's just a boring scania tria axle ladder with turntable reader axle I take it you steer it the opposite way from what the actual trucks going? Left you'd steer right?
Thanks for the inside view, wish the camera was lower but too late, you can fix that on the next video..right , next video. :) I used to live in Raytown and know where this is.
Had I been steering the tiller, there would be ruts in every lawn, all curbing would have been jumped and each car we passed would have sideswipe damage. I am impressed.
taking a tiller on a med run when I saw an engine sitting right there. tiller houses should have a sprint Tahoe for that. running a million dollar truck putting wear on it is not practical for todays departments that run 80% medical
Rail Fanning 844 yes that is a safety. I have heard of a few instances where the tractor driver,front operator, left the station and the tiller man was not in his seat. If the tiller man opens the door and the front driver is not ready that's OK and you can't close the door until the end of the truck is out.
Jordan Plant it was probably a medical call because at the end he had both gloves. He probably had put one on and didn't have time to put the second one on before rolling out. I was thinking the same thing until I noticed halfway through he had a second glove on
Cameron Hubbard yeah but surely you would put the gloves on after you climb out of the vehicle because the wheel might be dirty and then he may touch the patient...
I find it quite intriguing that the only country I have ever seen using those trucks. Are the US. Are there something special about them that fits in particular to a American City? I’m from Denmark, but again we don’t have skyscrapers. Can they go higher than what you would call normal ladder trucks? Or is this the Standard in the US? Amazing video
Common Sense One of the biggest advantages of this kind of truck is that you can fit either a standard ladder or a bigger one on it as needed then what you can fit on a rigid frame while also having it be more maneuverable. They are excellent for large cities or cities with tight spaces such as Boston. As for being standard, they are mainly found in the cities although the town of Pleasant Grove, Utah (I believe) does have one. Ironically New York City mainly uses the rigid frame. Hope this helps.
@@CountvonStaffordofVirginia1607 we have also ladders reaching 140 to 200' and telescopic booms going 170' to 300' high on rigid frames as well. Concerning the maneuverability: For the user "Common Sense" and for many other Europeans it can be hard to get as there are many 100' Tower Ladders in Europea which are based on a compact chassis and have automatic / adaptive rear-wheel steering without a 2nd driver being necessary. Many modern Tower Ladders in fact have all-wheel steering, which basicly perform the same moves like a Tiller, but again with only 1 driver. Thus e.g. a Tiller, as maneuverable as it might be, wouldn't be able to reach my house, no chance.
EnjoyFirefighting - International Emergency Response Videos I should have mentioned that only a few select cities in the US use them (New York City is not one of them). Many departments just use the standard trucks. Some smaller departments also use quints which are basically five in one trucks.
@@CountvonStaffordofVirginia1607 even the standards trucks sometimes seem massive compared to the European counterparts. Especially the American 100' mid-mount Tower Ladders are enormous. Looking at the size of their chassis they are appeoximately as large as the 170' Aerials we have in some cities here. Quints exist here as well but they aren't common
Richard Fickess, no watching tv while tillering, please. A monitor would be just another distraction. There are enough of them already tillering. It the operator's job watch the front and the tiller to watch the sides and back. Just follow the cab. When the cab turns right you turn left until you get to the corner then straightened out behind the cab. A good driver will always take care of the tiller, after all, it's the operator's license you are driving under.
I don't understand how and why they need a steering wheel in that rear cab if there's already and operator driving the truck from the front..... someone explain to me how the steering works for these units??
+Alberta West Plumbing These trucks require two drivers to increase their mobility. The truck articulates behind the cab much like a semi truck. The rear driver adds the ability to steer the rear wheels thus greatly increasing the maneuverability. There are some really good videos that show these trucks from different angles which may increase understanding. Good question.
+Lenexa Fire TDAs have a distinct advantage where tight city streets are concerned. The two biggest drawbacks are initial cost of the rig and maintenance of the rigs as more parts are involved over straight frame aerials.
Since these type of trucks are similar to a tractor trailer the tillerman at the rear turns his wheel opposite of the cab driver allowing the trailer to swing around corners quicker without having to make a wide turn and allow the whole truck to switch lanes as a one piece rig where a tractor trailer has to make wider turns and do it more slowly. Who ever invented this design for this type of truck came up with a brilliant idea. It allows a much larger truck with more equipment. Watch "Tractor Drawn Aerial VS Platform Aerial" and you'll see how it maneuvers much better.
These trucks are pretty big, and the front operator can't steer the back wheels as good. If the rear operator wasn't the, the cars that were there need to back up a lot.
That job is more complicated than I could have imagined. He needs a wheel spinner like my tractor. And a shock absorber for the seat .And the visibility sucks!!!!
Turn wheel opposite of turning when you make turn then quickly opposite. Ex: Actual turn right, he turn left to trailer and the he turns right to get trailer quickly straight.
Steer away from danger with the hands at the top, when backing up point your thumbs out on the bottom of the steering wheel and the trailer goes the direction of the thumbs.
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It freaked me out every time he turned the wheel the opposite way of the forward direction of travel
+nooranik21 Its a bit like how a forklift truck is steered, but once you program it into your brain then it just happens.
+Mark Fryer your absolutely right.
nooranik21 And it looks REALLY weird when you see it on the outside.
nooranik21 it actually helps turn the tuck better even though its a weird way but it still works.
Yeah. It seems counter-intuitive, but makes sense once you figure it out. 😄
I drive a 18 wheeler and even I was confused with the turning
Danny Minarsich ooo
RetroGuy76 Actually some flatbeb trailers got automatic rear axle turning.
RetroGuy76 Yes the do, mostly for long trailers. Look it up on TH-cam.
Hell, I drive a fire truck and it confused the heck out of me too!
Happy to do so :)
In the 50-60s my uncle drove one for the City of Boston. He would say “the city hasn’t make a curb yet I haven’t hit at least twice”. 😂 EVERYONE knew him...RIP Jack.
oh i bet
Great video! Awesome driving! I was a tillerman in Bayou La Batre, Al. In an 86 Seagrave with open tillerman cab. I LOVED that truck!!!
Can't beat a Seagrave LOL! My company E4 Baltimore City we had the oldest first-line engine when I was assigned in 91. That 74 Seagrave was awesome all year round, 5 speed, manual pump shift, Detroit Diesel, 500 gals of water, 20 gals protein foam, 1,400 ft hose from 5 inch to 1/2 inch, 4 air packs and spare bottles, ground ladders and other equipment.
They should add these into GTA 6, lol. I'd be wiping out as many cars from the back end as possible.
Trevor Morgan im with you on that
That would be so much fun!
Trevor Morgan that's be cool, plus we would have more than just an equipment truck with a water cannon!
They should add firefighter missions again like in gta San Andreas that way there's a purpose to driving a fire truck.
😂😂😂
That's cool. New meaning to backseat driver with backwards steering lol.
This looks like a ton of fun to drive. You can legally drift everywhere lol
I'm from back in the olden days when all you had was a boat light over the tractor roof. No inter com system's,no vehicle AC, no hoods and only the officer had the radio
Windsor Corbin, I remember those days, when you sat in the aerial and had to clear the seat, windshield and steering wheel before you could stick the roof. A buzzer on the floor let you communicate with the driver in the Bermuda cab” no roof”. The Tillerman had a radio so you could hear what is going on. You should know your district and where you are responding to so you never get fooled by an unanticipated turn. My department went away from tiller trucks to straight trucks with heavy-duty aerial. The new tillers are so big now that they don't fit in our stations with arched apparatus doorways. Tillering is by far the most fun you can have driving fire apparatus. Damn, I miss it.
Thanks for all guys and gals do!
Wow!
I've always wanted to see one of those drivers in action. That takes lots of skills, paying attention & communication!
Best in cockpit view of Tiller driving!
videos like this one give me the opportunity to experience something I would not otherwise get to do. Thank you!
No seat suspension ? That guy has his back broke in 15 years.....
Magic watching this, love it. So out-of-the-ordinary.
Does the operator on the back talk to the driver of the tractor so he knows what to expect next, like turns and such?
Noah Smith Yes. The tiller driver and tractor driver both wear headsets so they have constant communication. If the headsets were to fail, they have backup devices they can use such as turn signals, and a buzzer system that allows preset communication.
Lenexa Fire Thanks for the reply, stay safe out there!
+Noah Smith No those are beats by Dre not headphones, he's listening to some hardcore Chinese talk radio.
Ted Style Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks, I'm sure your information is reliable.
God tillers are so damn cool.
They cut out the best part though just before they entered the freeway. Seeing the truck merge into traffic with the rear end first.
Yes they are LOL
Yep...I love them.
I sent someone this video because we just watched a hook and ladder negotiate some crazy crowded spaces, without any kind of radio, just a dude leaning out of open windows. This is crazy enough! I can't even imagine...
I love the different perspective.
Love it! Love the combination of the whelen siren and the Q!
To make turning easier, put a spinner knob on the steering wheel. Makes it way easier to make turns. You can find them at any vehicle automotive department.
Ryan Ritchie I've heard something about those knobs being illegal in some parts of the US for whatever stupid reason
Daniel MacKinnon I use one in Ohio. I guess it's legal here. I've been pulled over before and the state troopers didn't say anything bout it. Lol
Risk of injury in a crash maybe.
Ryan Ritchie they are illegal in some places
It's because they can catch on clothing (apparently)
One of the two tiller quints in Johnson County, KS. The other is at Shawnee Station 1. Runs as Ladder 71.
Brings a whole new meaning to back seat driver (^_^) hehehe
Thanks for sharing. This is so cool to see. We dont have anything like this where im from
I once saw this Tiller pull a bad ass maneuver in Riverside Ca. They were headed code 3 in the opposing lanes and had to switch over due to traffic stopped at a traffic light. There wasn't enough room to make a regular lane switch so the tiller drifted his end in order to avoided colliding with traffic stopped.
I ONCE SAW THIS TILLER PULL A BAD ASS MANEUER
I'm imagining myself doing this and then after shift hopping into my car and BAM! Turn the steering wheel the wrong way. That story would be hard to sell to the cops.
God damn tiller trucks are cool
Great driving , did look odd with the steering, how long does that take to master ?
Now thats a great view, did I happen to see a lever on the steering wheel, if so, what is that used for, and secondly, compared to everything that the driver has up front, do you have anything like that in the rear portion, like pedals etc?????? Also, is that power steering as well or mannual???????
Hello Andrew, let me see if I can answer some of your questions. You did see correctly, there are actually a couple of levers on the steering column. The manufacturer uses a standard column for both the front and the rear (I believe) so there is a turn signal lever (isn't hooked up in the rear) and a steering wheel adjustment lever. There are no pedals for the rear driver; and yes, it is power steering.
This is like how dinosaurs used to walk with a brain in it's butt.
Well I was able to "follow" it until it got up on Santa Fe Dr/W 87th, but lost it after that....did not know Lenexa even had a tiller...let me guess Pierce?
Pretty straight shot driving take that thing down town kcmo different story retired firefighter of 32 yrs good start on educationing the public on getting to the alarm is start of the battle
Fellow firefighter here caught the station 51 tones prior to the Locution broadcast. Also heard the seat belt chirps start at 2:12 before the operator unbuckled at scene, I guess this must be a Pierce
Fully enclosed tiller cab, air seat, T/T power steering. Tillermen have it made nowadays. I've talked with old timers in the Buffalo Fire Department who were tillermen when they had open air cabs and Armstrong steering.
My city used to have open air tiller cabs too. We still have some pretty narrow streets. We now have quints.
"Tillermen have it made nowadays." why is it actually still a thing today, with automatic and adaptive rear-wheel steering being on the market for years?
That's cool how it can round tighter corners from the rear steering instead of it was just towed.
+Kandi Klover (Fursuiter Furry) Yes, and also it would be worse because the fire department would have to call a tow truck for every emergency and that is a slow process.
Does the tiller control the sirens with the tractor driver?
MrKnucklehead02 The siren controls are all ran from the tractor, usually by the officer.
2 days ago I bought the back half of one of these. 1988 LTI with 110 foot ladder. No idea how I'm getting it home from another state
need a better seat, but y'all have skill. thank you and your house for what y'all do.
I've always wondered if it's a strange feeling for the tiller operator when these things are turning. Also seems like something that would be a pain to back up.
SOU6900. Easier to back up then any other vehicle you will ever drive can turn in a tighter radius and can fit in smaller areas
That looks fun in the UK it's just a boring scania tria axle ladder with turntable reader axle
I take it you steer it the opposite way from what the actual trucks going?
Left you'd steer right?
So right is left and left is right?
I wonder if these get more fun to drive in the winter with snow? 🤔
Does the Tiller Man suit up and join the crew or does he stay with the truck with the operator/engineer?
Nando Plays They gear up and join up with the crew once they arrive on scene.
THANKS FOR THE VIEW
He makes that look so easy!
Thanks for the inside view, wish the camera was lower but too late, you can fix that on the next video..right , next video. :) I used to live in Raytown and know where this is.
Had I been steering the tiller, there would be ruts in every lawn, all curbing would have been jumped and each car we passed would have sideswipe damage. I am impressed.
One of the best jobs in the fire service, IMHO.
Thank you for your service. Regard
Best damn spot on the FD the man in the box, i love when we drift people go crazy, Nice Video from 31 Truck JFRD
so do you control the Whelen Epsilon from back there? and where is the speaker mounted for it? on top of your cab?
LouisianaLights&SirensCollector no and no
I wonder if that would even be legal in the UK?
They should put Bubble windows on that Tiller like they have on Helo's like the Skycrane so you can look out past the craft
Does the tillerman have any brake controls?
Not at all. Weird feeling...
What the there is a handle in back? My dad drives a 18 wheeler truck
He whipping it 😈. I see you man. Keep up the good work 💯💙
That is amazing, how can you drive the rear of a truck and not be able to see where you are going. WOW.
Wow ... Great video!
That is a specialised skill. Awesome.
Was the tiller operator wearing latex gloves????
You dont realize how hard it is until you try. Complete opposite of all instincts go left turn left nope.
+Matthew McKee Dude he's drifting super easy mode.
Simular to a counter steering on a motorcycle.
why is the wheel inverted?
+Narwhalsss (derek vasquez) so he can drive upside down. next question.
I actually had no idea these existed.
taking a tiller on a med run when I saw an engine sitting right there. tiller houses should have a sprint Tahoe for that. running a million dollar truck putting wear on it is not practical for todays departments that run 80% medical
That fire house has a squad (pickup truck) as well, but the squad was already on another medical call.
Lots of skill and practice involved here
Good job it looks fun on there
The tiller man's job is the best, but he always is in charge of opening and closing the fire hall doors while responding
Rail Fanning 844 yes that is a safety. I have heard of a few instances where the tractor driver,front operator, left the station and the tiller man was not in his seat. If the tiller man opens the door and the front driver is not ready that's OK and you can't close the door until the end of the truck is out.
is the back wheels powered ?
0:17 - Even emergency responders have to be sure the garage is closed when leaving the firehouse.
does the horn on the wheel beep if u push it
It signals the front end in case the headset communications fail.
I wonder if he gets confused in his car.
0:17 Now we know who is in charge of closing the garage door after the trucks leave
Great video but I wouldn't want to be back there !
wait so why dose the guy drive in the he back
millenniums hhh h this truck has 2 drivers. The guy in the back turns the rear wheels which controls trailer swing for maneuverability
Armyconrad oh ok
I wonder.. does he have a brake pedal back there ?
No pedals at all, just the steering wheel...
Was there an ambulance behind you?
Daniel Gamer215 No, I believe that was the battalion chief
Wow, this is an interesting view.
whats with the 1 glove?
Jordan Plant it was probably a medical call because at the end he had both gloves. He probably had put one on and didn't have time to put the second one on before rolling out. I was thinking the same thing until I noticed halfway through he had a second glove on
Cameron Hubbard yeah but surely you would put the gloves on after you climb out of the vehicle because the wheel might be dirty and then he may touch the patient...
Jordan Plant well that's also true. But I always double glove
Cameron Hubbard ah right, fair enough. would love to see a tiller truck
It looked to be made out of a fabric so probably for maximum grip on the steering wheel
I find it quite intriguing that the only country I have ever seen using those trucks. Are the US.
Are there something special about them that fits in particular to a American City?
I’m from Denmark, but again we don’t have skyscrapers.
Can they go higher than what you would call normal ladder trucks?
Or is this the Standard in the US?
Amazing video
Common Sense One of the biggest advantages of this kind of truck is that you can fit either a standard ladder or a bigger one on it as needed then what you can fit on a rigid frame while also having it be more maneuverable. They are excellent for large cities or cities with tight spaces such as Boston. As for being standard, they are mainly found in the cities although the town of Pleasant Grove, Utah (I believe) does have one. Ironically New York City mainly uses the rigid frame. Hope this helps.
@@CountvonStaffordofVirginia1607 we have also ladders reaching 140 to 200' and telescopic booms going 170' to 300' high on rigid frames as well. Concerning the maneuverability: For the user "Common Sense" and for many other Europeans it can be hard to get as there are many 100' Tower Ladders in Europea which are based on a compact chassis and have automatic / adaptive rear-wheel steering without a 2nd driver being necessary. Many modern Tower Ladders in fact have all-wheel steering, which basicly perform the same moves like a Tiller, but again with only 1 driver. Thus e.g. a Tiller, as maneuverable as it might be, wouldn't be able to reach my house, no chance.
EnjoyFirefighting - International Emergency Response Videos I should have mentioned that only a few select cities in the US use them (New York City is not one of them). Many departments just use the standard trucks. Some smaller departments also use quints which are basically five in one trucks.
@@CountvonStaffordofVirginia1607 even the standards trucks sometimes seem massive compared to the European counterparts. Especially the American 100' mid-mount Tower Ladders are enormous. Looking at the size of their chassis they are appeoximately as large as the 170' Aerials we have in some cities here.
Quints exist here as well but they aren't common
Why one medical glove ?
+Josh Gerber The fire truck is basically moon walking so he has to empower the spirit of michael jackson.
True
There should be a video camera from the nose of the truck with a monitor for the driver in the back.
Richard Fickess, no watching tv while tillering, please. A monitor would be just another distraction. There are enough of them already tillering. It the operator's job watch the front and the tiller to watch the sides and back. Just follow the cab. When the cab turns right you turn left until you get to the corner then straightened out behind the cab. A good driver will always take care of the tiller, after all, it's the operator's license you are driving under.
Nice Video
Why does he turn the wheel the opposite direction whenever the main driver of the truck turns left or right?
I would be like "Screw the fire let's keep driving!"
So the tiller driver turns in the opposite direction? Mannn I'm so confused LOL
tiffany38126 yes, you turn away from what you don’t want to hit
I don't understand how and why they need a steering wheel in that rear cab if there's already and operator driving the truck from the front..... someone explain to me how the steering works for these units??
+Alberta West Plumbing These trucks require two drivers to increase their mobility. The truck articulates behind the cab much like a semi truck. The rear driver adds the ability to steer the rear wheels thus greatly increasing the maneuverability. There are some really good videos that show these trucks from different angles which may increase understanding. Good question.
+Lenexa Fire TDAs have a distinct advantage where tight city streets are concerned. The two biggest drawbacks are initial cost of the rig and maintenance of the rigs as more parts are involved over straight frame aerials.
Since these type of trucks are similar to a tractor trailer the tillerman at the rear turns his wheel opposite of the cab driver allowing the trailer to swing around corners quicker without having to make a wide turn and allow the whole truck to switch lanes as a one piece rig where a tractor trailer has to make wider turns and do it more slowly. Who ever invented this design for this type of truck came up with a brilliant idea. It allows a much larger truck with more equipment. Watch "Tractor Drawn Aerial VS Platform Aerial" and you'll see how it maneuvers much better.
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These trucks are pretty big, and the front operator can't steer the back wheels as good. If the rear operator wasn't the, the cars that were there need to back up a lot.
Nice job chief.
nice video
Steering is so counterintuitive in this video.
what station is this truck at
Station 1
More videos like this!
is he controlling the siren
Nope, all siren and light controls are in the front cab.
This job should not involve job rotation between the front driver and the tiller.
That job is more complicated than I could have imagined. He needs a wheel spinner like my tractor. And a shock absorber for the seat .And the visibility sucks!!!!
I would have thought they'd reverse the steering
Tea for the tiller man!
That power call tho D: use more Q!
Ah, nice truck drifting
I'm so confused with the way he turns the steering wheel lol
Turn wheel opposite of turning when you make turn then quickly opposite.
Ex: Actual turn right, he turn left to trailer and the he turns right to get trailer quickly straight.
You basically steer away from anything you don't want to hit. If you can't remember that, which ever way the tractor turns, you turn the opposite.
Steer away from danger with the hands at the top, when backing up point your thumbs out on the bottom of the steering wheel and the trailer goes the direction of the thumbs.
Quite an artist.All they need now is a tail gunner.
Try doing it with a bigger steering wheel & no power steering. 🥺