Balance patch: "Protoss is loosing too hard vs Terran pushes, a single raven is enough to completely shut off Protoss". Also balance patch: "Raven now needs an upgrade, on the tech lab, which you need anyway to build the raven, so you have like 1 less marauder in your push. Then we're going to straight up nerf Protoss even more and buff other Terran units."
there is no terran unit that got buffed, the only thing imaginable as a non nerf is the new medivac upgrade which is not used because medivacs dont work the current way they are designed. raven nerf, cyclone nerf, widow mine change that should have existed with the original addition of drilling claws... if you wanna cry any harder go play the only race easier and stronger than protoss for the last 13 years in a row, zerg
@@SilverforceX no, much like the reaper the cyclone comes online after units that beat it are already in large enough numbers to make it irrelevant and given its shortened range, lack of speed, low damage, low health... it did not get a huge buff, it got irrelevant numbers move around. the widow mine did not get a huge buff, it got an unburrow speed change..a buff would look like 6 range instead of 5, fixed ai, not being able to be see where it is burrowed at a glance ...weird isnt that ultralisks cant be seen where they are burrowed, a unit that is as tall as a house...y? because it isnt a terran unit.
Lol even after the interference matrix nerf via upgrade delay it still destroy protoss colossus so hard. It doesn't seem like blizzard understand the balance. Raven a 2 supply unit can disable 12 supply worth of units in a battle. Protoss invested heavily in colossus tech which makes up a big part of its supply and its instantly countered by a single raven. Yes they delayed interference matrix with an upgrade but it doesn't matter since ravens needed the time to build energy. What they should do is not delay interference matrix but nerf it. Its primary purpose is to prevent units from using its ability, i.e battle cruiser teleporting away or warp prism warping in or picking up units. They should keep interference matrix ability to interrupt and stip units from casting spells but not entirely disabled its ability to attack. Auto attacks should still work or if not, do 50% damage. That way units like tanks and colossus can still do some damage.
Raven: cancels a key protoss unit Ghost: cancels a handful of protoss army shields as well as spellcasters High templar: cancels a single spellcaster So balanced lmfao
Its not blizzard that did the balance, it was mostly pro gamers, or retire pro gamers that are in a "balance council" and send the changes to blizzard, that implement them.
Literally just shut it off after the first match. I dont need to watch the matches to know itll be a T sweep as long as Bunny and Cure dont pull a Maru and whip out the shittiest builds they can think of.
@@2639theboss Nightmare screwed it at the end there... but storm just sucks in SCII. With speed upgrades constantly getting buffed it makes it less and less useful. The worst thing are the MIDDLE OF THE MAP Speed Boosts... They're supposed to be around the edges or along alternate paths to the enemy not in the middle of the map. Hydras or boosted medivacs or stimmed marine/marauder should take 15-20 damage at most if anyone pays attention to a fight happening. Even the new drilling claws boost should save even more mines if someone is looking.
@@justincronkright5025 Honestly, i didnt watch any of nightmares matches, so i cant say. First GSL ive ever skipped a match, maybe ill watch the rest later. But its obvious to anyone with a brain that balance has been a disaster. Its not one thing, one unit, one matchup, its the entire toolset of P being inadequate for every stage of the game. Its baffling to me as a masters Z that i still see people who genuinely believe balance is fine and Protoss isnt dying.
@@demetriogirardi2094 P doesnt have the ability to do anything else besides blink early-game. Charge zealots need support (and suck against the Ms of T). Adepts are almost worse than hellbats. Until they get robos going, they have no alternative, but double robo isnt an option either because it takes too long to come online. I certainly dont know how have an answer.
@@demetriogirardi2094 Robo play is where the cyclone massing is good though... even widow mines are good I'd argue since you have to rely upon zealots farm more earlier on. I think that was the case about 2 weeks ago where only blink stalker was the main thing that can handle the number of them that come out of reactour factories. Also since widow mines are light the colossus AoE does nothing & the immortal does far less damage to it WHERE the widow mine can constantly retarget to probes.
That Raven upgrade maybe the stupidest most hollow change they have ever made. By the time the Raven gets across the map it'll have the upgrade and it's that inexpensive it basically just comes down to remembering to click the button to upgrade. At the bare minimum you should need an armoury before you can start it, if you intend the upgrade to have any significant effect, in delaying the ability.
@@Mavarok284 Believing Nightmare defended the harass well is some major cognitive dissonance... but I definitely don't agree with the vision for the balance changes. Honestly need a major rework of the widow mine (remove drilling claws/reduce attack range/can't be dropped etc.) or remove it altogether. They are too oppressive in my opinion. And interference matrix requiring a cheap/fast upgrade is just a fucking troll of a "nerf." It's easily the best spell in the game and should require a two minute 200/200 upgrade. And the mothership core should be given back to Protoss. It was an awesome unit that made the game interesting and helped round out so many of Protoss' weaknesses.
I agree, I cant summarize two games in two sentences, but they should have won a game! This was a 4 PVTs won by the terrans in a row! And the patch was supposed to fix this issue!@@Bird-of-prey
@@Bird-of-prey widows are the only thing that holds lingbane, just remove the bonus dmg like the bane nerf, also they already nerfed voids for being too good early game cores are not coming back ever
@@KrimsonStorm He was in a tournament, lost, and then casted Clem and literary talks about 2 unbeatable builds and Clem proceeds to play one of them (I think it was 2/3 marine 2 cyclone) and it just ends the game, they even talk about both after (somewhat jokingly)
I really hope the "balance council" keep fucking this up, just kill the sc2 scene. They spent more than 10 years and somehow made it worse than before lol
its mind boggling how the community council tiptoes around changes more than blizzard itself, im still waiting to be able to see loaded units and for the medivac to heal units inside, theres an infinite amount of qol changes they could do, but no, interference matrix research and overlord aceleration speed or whatever is what the pros decide on
Legit awesome to see ZG in the audience, I know she plays and streams but seeing her visit the cathedral of SC is what Tasteless would call a “gamer alert”!
"Mines are fun, especially one that has infinity damage potential, shoots out a missile and can move and burrow so it becomes invisible" - Said no one ever.
1:14:58 Seriously, Nightmare could have won this game if he had just A-moved this one archon. Could have pulled off at least two shots to all those clumped up marines. Very talented player, but a lot of micro mistakes seen from him on this stage (not to mention some of the stalker micro near Bunny's natural in the beginning and blink micro in the first game)
@@ballsavage plat / diamond. Protoss is not a very stable faction, they need a better way to zone away enemies similar to the disruptor, which is fragile and has some severe downsides. Many casters and higher level players, including the balance council, agree that protoss is too vulnerable and many games show protoss weakness and fragility outside of the early game. Increasing the range adds pressuring ability options besides disruptor. Giving some of the damage from bonus vs light -> raw damage increases the utility and range of units Colossus is able to combat.
Widow mines have ruined T v P. Terran and Protoss is equal, except for the fact that a single mistake from P loses them the game instantly. You can’t fix balance without removing widow mines. It’s as simple as that.
@@litlgenjinie2927 You need to learn about such unit like the ghost. And disruptor has always been a flimsy 50/50 unit, and now occupies too much supply. Without disruptors terrans would just a-move protoss at 200 supply every game.
Wait this was the balance patch that was supposed to help Protoss!? Absolute joke done with GSL until they actually fix the balance I'm sick of watching Terran sweeps. BroodWar it is..
Thank god all the players when they tried to make BW remastered voted against a balance patch because they knew they will only fuck things up like sc2 for YEARS
Bunny with the AoT salute for his season pic. That poster depicted the Bunny from the Holy Grail. Bunny and his fans oozing culture. Thanks GSL! Edit: Hi balance council. Do something about OP rng widow mines, and give zealots an additional upgrade that unlocks with templar archives (like +10 hp and/or +4 charge dmg, idk). - Yours truly, master Terran player.
Stats: the hell happened to protoss while i was gone?!? Bliz: don't worry we fixed TvZ with a patch. Reply has been deleted by moderator. Reply has been deleted by moderator. Reply has been deleted by moderator.
Every time I do this kind of tunnel vision looking for the words "Full Vod" as to not spoil what happens. Lately though the TH-cam algo knows what I want now though and I just see the full vod in the recommend the next day.
Balance teams needs to take a hard look at Protoss and look at bringing back key stat changes for protoss units. Give Chargelots +8 damage on impact back. Revert Colossus Thermal Lance damage back to 12 not 10. Buff High Templar storm, feedback range. Increase storm damage to 112 instead of 80. Protoss units need to be feared because they don't have as many like T or Z. The reaction to the colossus or high templar right now is on the level of "Oh nice unit you got there....anyways stim my whole army or A move into your base with mass roach ling ravager"
For real. For some reason, they nerfed warp ins, which nerfed Protoss gateway units. They nerfed Zealot charge. But Marine Marauder has never been touched. The Marauder is even cheaper now. It's the ultimate anti-armor unit, and it costs 100/25. That is insane. It beats a stalker easily 1on1 and a stalker costs 125/50. How about this: Make the marauder cost 125/50.
Blizzard isn't involved with the balance changes, they only implement changes provided by a third party council comprised primarily of professional players.
Not to mention no matter how weak protoss there people will continue to whine about it. It's legit a gimmick race lmao I'm glad I left sc2 as early as Heart of the Swarm
That interference matrix is a joke. That change did absolutely nothing. Why are they so affraid to make protoss op when theyve never been OP in the recent history of the game.
Protoss take a lot of finess. It will probably take a full season b4 you see professional Protoss actually process the changes. They're slow to change but when they finally do it can be very entertaining. I'm interested in seeing how Classic will come out.
Well I got what I needed out of that TvT, Cure opened Reaper/4Cyclone/2Raven and then 2Reaper/Hellion/3Raven. Won’t help me on the ladder getting either 2 base tank pushed or Bc rushed but whatever.
The speed boosts are too much on that map... You're always going to lose out as Protoss if you wait for storm as they can always run away. Speed Boosts should ONLY be for making rushes a bit faster from certain angles. You can facilitate this in the middle by making the map more direct between bases. With the way these are set up I think they need to be ALONG walls not sitting in the middle out in the open. When Hydras are so fast and storm is so weak that they barely take 15-20 damage since their speed upgrade is so powerful alongside Terran units with stim, storm is just useless to force yourself into... they get sniped by the early widow mines especially if you don't see them around the map and because it's reactour window mines from the start there is potential there and it even losing 75 gas and production time for observers... it's a damned if you do & if you don't for Protoss. You ose gas & production time for free against Terrans who scan meaning with no Collossi you need storms which aren't really impactful. Or due to the Terran getting them early you lose waves of zealot harassment & random probes perhaps or warp prisms going around trying to make stuff happen. Maybe it will just take time for Protoss to figure out the early game, but I think the potential for cyclones to be used is already enough of an early choke-hold without having to build them.
@@catgirlcatgirlcatgirl indeed that is one of his weakness, he talks too much when ppl actually want to hear tasteless instead most of the time. Also the jokes. I know he tries hard to be funny but he's really not, or at least, for me, sounds fake as heck when he laughs. The bar is too high with tastosis, those 2 have decades of inside jokes and stories and are genuinely having a good time first but ALSO casting, you know what I mean?
It's unfortunate. The current state is making me lose interest in the tournament. Didn't even feel like finishing the final series, it's too frustrating.
Peple complaining about balance forgetting that Cure and bunny are big favorites in this group even without balance changes. they are just a level or two above stats and nightmare. meanwhile creator topped his group, altho tbf he didnt play against terran
Yugioh has a SHADOW Realm, not a nether realm, State. 🙂 "These saw blades aren't going to hurt your legs, but they WILL send your immortal soul to the Shadow Realm." (that's a reference to Yugioh abridged making fun of 4kids) But awesome cast as always, guys! You have to think so much faster than caster for soccer, basketball, baseball, tennis, formula one etc. but somehow I don't think you're getting paid as much as them (yet).
1:42:45 State begins rambling for 90 seconds continuously. He does this all the time, I'm so sick of hearing him ramble. STATE, PLEASE STOP, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS!
first set nightmare vs bunny, I like how nightmare lost the second map. Bunny just threw very hard and made many mistakes.. and at the end nightmare had batteries, probes, archons (better tech unit than MMM) and yet loses to a stupid scv push.. yes nightmare warped in units at the base of bunny but also was willing to sac his nat. I mean after many crucial mistakes such thing as a allin is the only thing possibly working BUT nightmare wasnt going greedy on forge and did not even build a third.. the balance is so imbalanced actually, and starcraft is supposed to be a strategy game. Nightmare stalled Bunnys push by sentries by a good amount of time, not doing anything to change the result. Really frustrating game experience. I do not think any race is really overpowered as per se. But clearly the Matchup is imbalanced in itself.
I dont play the game but have followed the sence and watched tournaments since the beginning. These widow mine games are just garbage. Not fun or interesting to watch in any way and cleary skew outcomes in completely unfavorable ways
New patch = scrappy games. Not as much refinement as usual. It will take time for everyone to process it all. Zerg got nerfed a bit too hard by the looks of it. Not sure how they can utilize fast hydras.
Nightmare is more a Zerg name imo, horrible name for a protoss player. Also, terran is such bullshit, saving a lost game by pulling SCVs shouldn't be viable. Nightmare did a good job...
balance patch is a joke "to help protoss against terran" and they completely ruin protoss's chance against terran. the balance teams are heavily anti-protoss. you can see terran make 3 giant mistakes back to back to back and lose almost everything completely free. but terran has been made to auto win vs protoss by the absolutely horrendous balance team, that terran just can either use emps, instant lock down any useful protoss units, or just walk across map into a trap and just A move to win with sieged tanks. Balance for this game has been shit for protoss and every buff or increase to protoss is designed to be a nerf overall
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Stateless commentary begins: 0:41
Cure vs. Stats: 6:27
NightMare vs. Bunny: 52:01
Winners Set: 1:29:34
Losers Set: 2:02:49
Final Set: 2:50:49
stateless, I like it lol
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Balance patch: "Protoss is loosing too hard vs Terran pushes, a single raven is enough to completely shut off Protoss".
Also balance patch: "Raven now needs an upgrade, on the tech lab, which you need anyway to build the raven, so you have like 1 less marauder in your push. Then we're going to straight up nerf Protoss even more and buff other Terran units."
there is no terran unit that got buffed, the only thing imaginable as a non nerf is the new medivac upgrade which is not used because medivacs dont work the current way they are designed. raven nerf, cyclone nerf, widow mine change that should have existed with the original addition of drilling claws... if you wanna cry any harder go play the only race easier and stronger than protoss for the last 13 years in a row, zerg
I wanted Nightmare to make it through and I'm really feeling the salt man
@@wargumbyx Widow Mine got a huge buff. The new Cyclone is OP for the cost & supply, and the fact they can be reactored 2x.
@@SilverforceX no, much like the reaper the cyclone comes online after units that beat it are already in large enough numbers to make it irrelevant and given its shortened range, lack of speed, low damage, low health... it did not get a huge buff, it got irrelevant numbers move around. the widow mine did not get a huge buff, it got an unburrow speed change..a buff would look like 6 range instead of 5, fixed ai, not being able to be see where it is burrowed at a glance ...weird isnt that ultralisks cant be seen where they are burrowed, a unit that is as tall as a house...y? because it isnt a terran unit.
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Lol even after the interference matrix nerf via upgrade delay it still destroy protoss colossus so hard. It doesn't seem like blizzard understand the balance. Raven a 2 supply unit can disable 12 supply worth of units in a battle. Protoss invested heavily in colossus tech which makes up a big part of its supply and its instantly countered by a single raven. Yes they delayed interference matrix with an upgrade but it doesn't matter since ravens needed the time to build energy.
What they should do is not delay interference matrix but nerf it. Its primary purpose is to prevent units from using its ability, i.e battle cruiser teleporting away or warp prism warping in or picking up units. They should keep interference matrix ability to interrupt and stip units from casting spells but not entirely disabled its ability to attack. Auto attacks should still work or if not, do 50% damage. That way units like tanks and colossus can still do some damage.
Raven: cancels a key protoss unit
Ghost: cancels a handful of protoss army shields as well as spellcasters
High templar: cancels a single spellcaster
So balanced lmfao
Its not blizzard that did the balance, it was mostly pro gamers, or retire pro gamers that are in a "balance council" and send the changes to blizzard, that implement them.
the community patches will continue until morale improves
This is the best produced balance test tournament I’ve ever seen!
Literally just shut it off after the first match. I dont need to watch the matches to know itll be a T sweep as long as Bunny and Cure dont pull a Maru and whip out the shittiest builds they can think of.
@@2639theboss Nightmare screwed it at the end there... but storm just sucks in SCII. With speed upgrades constantly getting buffed it makes it less and less useful. The worst thing are the MIDDLE OF THE MAP Speed Boosts... They're supposed to be around the edges or along alternate paths to the enemy not in the middle of the map. Hydras or boosted medivacs or stimmed marine/marauder should take 15-20 damage at most if anyone pays attention to a fight happening. Even the new drilling claws boost should save even more mines if someone is looking.
@@justincronkright5025 Honestly, i didnt watch any of nightmares matches, so i cant say. First GSL ive ever skipped a match, maybe ill watch the rest later.
But its obvious to anyone with a brain that balance has been a disaster. Its not one thing, one unit, one matchup, its the entire toolset of P being inadequate for every stage of the game.
Its baffling to me as a masters Z that i still see people who genuinely believe balance is fine and Protoss isnt dying.
@@demetriogirardi2094 P doesnt have the ability to do anything else besides blink early-game. Charge zealots need support (and suck against the Ms of T). Adepts are almost worse than hellbats.
Until they get robos going, they have no alternative, but double robo isnt an option either because it takes too long to come online.
I certainly dont know how have an answer.
@@demetriogirardi2094 Robo play is where the cyclone massing is good though... even widow mines are good I'd argue since you have to rely upon zealots farm more earlier on. I think that was the case about 2 weeks ago where only blink stalker was the main thing that can handle the number of them that come out of reactour factories. Also since widow mines are light the colossus AoE does nothing & the immortal does far less damage to it WHERE the widow mine can constantly retarget to probes.
That Raven upgrade maybe the stupidest most hollow change they have ever made.
By the time the Raven gets across the map it'll have the upgrade and it's that inexpensive it basically just comes down to remembering to click the button to upgrade.
At the bare minimum you should need an armoury before you can start it, if you intend the upgrade to have any significant effect, in delaying the ability.
Artosis Pylon cameo is the least thing i'd expect to see in GSL
Great casting squad. Never awkward or cringe, just really pro and insightful. Nice job.
It's not Tastosis, but it's definitely not bad.
Toss losing, what's new?
Man that 2nd Bunny-Nightmare game was so bad.
Bunny literally gifted him a medevac+8 marines 10 minutes in and still wins.
its because terran is babysat by balancers
This is so infuriating to watch as a protoss player.
I love how the new patch was supposed to fix the imbalances in PvT.
Nightmare played nervously bad and Cure is always in the top 4-8. Bunny is TvP specialist and Stats is not the same as he was.
@@denarte6986 Both protoss players defended the harass very well. The terran players lost multiple medivacs but still won easily.
@@Mavarok284 Believing Nightmare defended the harass well is some major cognitive dissonance... but I definitely don't agree with the vision for the balance changes. Honestly need a major rework of the widow mine (remove drilling claws/reduce attack range/can't be dropped etc.) or remove it altogether. They are too oppressive in my opinion. And interference matrix requiring a cheap/fast upgrade is just a fucking troll of a "nerf." It's easily the best spell in the game and should require a two minute 200/200 upgrade.
And the mothership core should be given back to Protoss. It was an awesome unit that made the game interesting and helped round out so many of Protoss' weaknesses.
I agree, I cant summarize two games in two sentences, but they should have won a game! This was a 4 PVTs won by the terrans in a row! And the patch was supposed to fix this issue!@@Bird-of-prey
@@Bird-of-prey widows are the only thing that holds lingbane, just remove the bonus dmg like the bane nerf, also they already nerfed voids for being too good early game cores are not coming back ever
protoss is such a joke lmao
Watch Harstem lay out two currently unbeatable T vs P builds, madness to see this patch made it into a tournament, disaster
What was the name of his video for this? I watch a lot of his content but i must have missed that.
@@KrimsonStorm He was in a tournament, lost, and then casted Clem and literary talks about 2 unbeatable builds and Clem proceeds to play one of them (I think it was 2/3 marine 2 cyclone) and it just ends the game, they even talk about both after (somewhat jokingly)
I really hope the "balance council" keep fucking this up, just kill the sc2 scene. They spent more than 10 years and somehow made it worse than before lol
its mind boggling how the community council tiptoes around changes more than blizzard itself, im still waiting to be able to see loaded units and for the medivac to heal units inside, theres an infinite amount of qol changes they could do, but no, interference matrix research and overlord aceleration speed or whatever is what the pros decide on
ZombieGrub sighting @ 1:40:26
Legit awesome to see ZG in the audience, I know she plays and streams but seeing her visit the cathedral of SC is what Tasteless would call a “gamer alert”!
"Mines are fun, especially one that has infinity damage potential, shoots out a missile and can move and burrow so it becomes invisible" - Said no one ever.
1:14:58 Seriously, Nightmare could have won this game if he had just A-moved this one archon. Could have pulled off at least two shots to all those clumped up marines. Very talented player, but a lot of micro mistakes seen from him on this stage (not to mention some of the stalker micro near Bunny's natural in the beginning and blink micro in the first game)
watching 2 collosus fall to 3 marauders is the saddest most pathetic nonsense ive ever seen.
colossus is such and T still blame P op :)
Collosus should get the extra +1 range from the bug after thermal lance, and transfer some of the damage they do vs light to raw damage.
colosus should hit air
I'm guessing none of you actually ladder at a decent level
@@ballsavage plat / diamond. Protoss is not a very stable faction, they need a better way to zone away enemies similar to the disruptor, which is fragile and has some severe downsides. Many casters and higher level players, including the balance council, agree that protoss is too vulnerable and many games show protoss weakness and fragility outside of the early game.
Increasing the range adds pressuring ability options besides disruptor. Giving some of the damage from bonus vs light -> raw damage increases the utility and range of units Colossus is able to combat.
Widow mines have ruined T v P. Terran and Protoss is equal, except for the fact that a single mistake from P loses them the game instantly. You can’t fix balance without removing widow mines. It’s as simple as that.
u spelled disruptors and psistorm wrong they're not spelled widow mines
@@litlgenjinie2927 lol I was looking for this gold comment
@@litlgenjinie2927 You need to learn about such unit like the ghost. And disruptor has always been a flimsy 50/50 unit, and now occupies too much supply. Without disruptors terrans would just a-move protoss at 200 supply every game.
Wait this was the balance patch that was supposed to help Protoss!? Absolute joke done with GSL until they actually fix the balance I'm sick of watching Terran sweeps. BroodWar it is..
Thank god all the players when they tried to make BW remastered voted against a balance patch because they knew they will only fuck things up like sc2 for YEARS
Enjoy it while it lasts. Very well could be the last season of GSL we ever see...
Stats was on such a roll in that one game until he threw away those colossus!
Complete joke. Protoss are screwed SO hard
Amazing day of games. Love the SCV ramp block at 1:13:55.
Im a simple man. I see Stats, I watch.
Unfortunately he's mostly getting cucked. :(
It was really sad watching this, maybe they'll just delete Protoss from the game, at least it would be more honest
Bunny with the AoT salute for his season pic. That poster depicted the Bunny from the Holy Grail. Bunny and his fans oozing culture. Thanks GSL!
Edit: Hi balance council. Do something about OP rng widow mines, and give zealots an additional upgrade that unlocks with templar archives (like +10 hp and/or +4 charge dmg, idk).
- Yours truly, master Terran player.
AoT = Age of Terrans
@@Galahad54 Well played, sir.
Love when on mirrors they use different skins ❤
Stats: the hell happened to protoss while i was gone?!? Bliz: don't worry we fixed TvZ with a patch. Reply has been deleted by moderator. Reply has been deleted by moderator. Reply has been deleted by moderator.
GSL addicted ❤
I hope afreeca uploads the full vid before individual matches 🙏
Spoiler: they didn't :/
@@Adderkleetoof 😂😂
Every time I do this kind of tunnel vision looking for the words "Full Vod" as to not spoil what happens. Lately though the TH-cam algo knows what I want now though and I just see the full vod in the recommend the next day.
Balance teams needs to take a hard look at Protoss and look at bringing back key stat changes for protoss units. Give Chargelots +8 damage on impact back. Revert Colossus Thermal Lance damage back to 12 not 10. Buff High Templar storm, feedback range. Increase storm damage to 112 instead of 80. Protoss units need to be feared because they don't have as many like T or Z. The reaction to the colossus or high templar right now is on the level of "Oh nice unit you got there....anyways stim my whole army or A move into your base with mass roach ling ravager"
New patch makes Terran stronger lol. Blizzard hates Protoss
For real. For some reason, they nerfed warp ins, which nerfed Protoss gateway units. They nerfed Zealot charge. But Marine Marauder has never been touched. The Marauder is even cheaper now. It's the ultimate anti-armor unit, and it costs 100/25. That is insane. It beats a stalker easily 1on1 and a stalker costs 125/50.
How about this: Make the marauder cost 125/50.
Blizzard isn't involved with the balance changes, they only implement changes provided by a third party council comprised primarily of professional players.
@@Bird-of-prey it’s a joke bro…
@@logicking3765 Ahhh... aren't jokes supposed to be funny?
Not to mention no matter how weak protoss there people will continue to whine about it. It's legit a gimmick race lmao I'm glad I left sc2 as early as Heart of the Swarm
Thanks AfreecaTV for continuing to champion the greatest game ever.
How about a zealot HP buff? It’s silly to see Terran kite them and never being able to surround Zerg
Protos gei
Remember when they nerfed zealot charge thinking it's too strong while the other 2 races has the best t1 units? Marines and Cracklings?
Perhaps an additional zealot upgrade that unlocks with the templar archive giving +hp or charge damage?
@@LionMagnus8 I remember this dog race being OP for too long, enjoy
Terrans ranged cloaked reuseable automated banelings that can hit air looking pretty good
almost chocked man, thanks for this!
Artosis waking up sweating some Artosis pylon went down
That interference matrix is a joke. That change did absolutely nothing. Why are they so affraid to make protoss op when theyve never been OP in the recent history of the game.
Bump for spoiler free stream
Thanks balance council!
PvT 0-6 sigh. The patch did nothing to help midgame protoss. Good thing Creator didn't face any terrans too.
Cure and Bunny played so well!
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Pozdrav za cara iz Srbije u publici :)
Can you sell us those jackets to raise money for GSL? I'd Would definitely buy one
I like how people avoid spoilers even though at this point everyone knows that protoss is useless at pro level and always loses :D
I love protoss so I feel as if you are spoiling my good man 😅
not the best players imo but its funny how her0 n maxpax are single handely carrying protoss as a race
Protoss take a lot of finess. It will probably take a full season b4 you see professional Protoss actually process the changes. They're slow to change but when they finally do it can be very entertaining. I'm interested in seeing how Classic will come out.
Song at 1:19:39 ?
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Well I got what I needed out of that TvT, Cure opened Reaper/4Cyclone/2Raven and then 2Reaper/Hellion/3Raven. Won’t help me on the ladder getting either 2 base tank pushed or Bc rushed but whatever.
Whoever has the most cyclones wins. Since Terran is the only race with cyclones ...
Whats the song at "29:50"?
02:51:43 epic commentary
GoGo Cure my man so good !!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I love GSL SO MUCH!!!!
Maru going out in RO16 is a bummer for me, but is Her0 playing? And did Parting come back yet? Is he coming back?
Hero is in group D and Parting is doing his military service.
@@Anthony54762 Seriously? Parting is STILL doing service? Its been years.
@@TheVanillatech He started on 24-03-2022 its been almost 19 months and it can take up to 21 months
@@TheVanillatech I think the norm for conscription obligations in most countries is between 12 to 24 months. Not too uncommon.
The speed boosts are too much on that map... You're always going to lose out as Protoss if you wait for storm as they can always run away. Speed Boosts should ONLY be for making rushes a bit faster from certain angles. You can facilitate this in the middle by making the map more direct between bases. With the way these are set up I think they need to be ALONG walls not sitting in the middle out in the open.
When Hydras are so fast and storm is so weak that they barely take 15-20 damage since their speed upgrade is so powerful alongside Terran units with stim, storm is just useless to force yourself into... they get sniped by the early widow mines especially if you don't see them around the map and because it's reactour window mines from the start there is potential there and it even losing 75 gas and production time for observers... it's a damned if you do & if you don't for Protoss.
You ose gas & production time for free against Terrans who scan meaning with no Collossi you need storms which aren't really impactful. Or due to the Terran getting them early you lose waves of zealot harassment & random probes perhaps or warp prisms going around trying to make stuff happen. Maybe it will just take time for Protoss to figure out the early game, but I think the potential for cyclones to be used is already enough of an early choke-hold without having to build them.
I really miss Artosis... State is not bad, at first I didn't like him at all but Im getting used to him now and he's ok. But I miss Artosis like hell!
He ran over tasteless a bunch of times during the cast. I started to feel bad in the winners set
@@catgirlcatgirlcatgirl indeed that is one of his weakness, he talks too much when ppl actually want to hear tasteless instead most of the time. Also the jokes. I know he tries hard to be funny but he's really not, or at least, for me, sounds fake as heck when he laughs. The bar is too high with tastosis, those 2 have decades of inside jokes and stories and are genuinely having a good time first but ALSO casting, you know what I mean?
It's unfortunate. The current state is making me lose interest in the tournament. Didn't even feel like finishing the final series, it's too frustrating.
Protoss need a nerf! OP race..
This race have sooo mutch tools .. i can´t imagine
Terran is too op. May as well just call it Starcraft 2: Wings of Terran, Heart of the Terrans, Legacy of Terrans
Another balance nightmare. Just delete protoss form the game...
These commentators are next level :P
Cure is amazing
Love Star Craft!!!
Peple complaining about balance forgetting that Cure and bunny are big favorites in this group even without balance changes. they are just a level or two above stats and nightmare. meanwhile creator topped his group, altho tbf he didnt play against terran
Yugioh has a SHADOW Realm, not a nether realm, State. 🙂
"These saw blades aren't going to hurt your legs, but they WILL send your immortal soul to the Shadow Realm." (that's a reference to Yugioh abridged making fun of 4kids)
But awesome cast as always, guys! You have to think so much faster than caster for soccer, basketball, baseball, tennis, formula one etc. but somehow I don't think you're getting paid as much as them (yet).
1:42:45 State begins rambling for 90 seconds continuously. He does this all the time, I'm so sick of hearing him ramble. STATE, PLEASE STOP, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS!
He talks for far, far too long.
the korean ads make me laugh every time. The chick parasailing like "Wheeee Cider!"
Is this the last GSL? Coz if it is it will leave such a sour taste
whats the song at 32:44??
Black Tank Top - George Barnett
@@d4slaimless 👑, disturbing af lyrics tho
out here grinding protoss games all night long
first set nightmare vs bunny, I like how nightmare lost the second map. Bunny just threw very hard and made many mistakes.. and at the end nightmare had batteries, probes, archons (better tech unit than MMM) and yet loses to a stupid scv push..
yes nightmare warped in units at the base of bunny but also was willing to sac his nat. I mean after many crucial mistakes such thing as a allin is the only thing possibly working BUT nightmare wasnt going greedy on forge and did not even build a third.. the balance is so imbalanced actually, and starcraft is supposed to be a strategy game. Nightmare stalled Bunnys push by sentries by a good amount of time, not doing anything to change the result. Really frustrating game experience. I do not think any race is really overpowered as per se. But clearly the Matchup is imbalanced in itself.
love it when the casters are favoring a playe r and he just get merked
you gotta atleast pretend
I feel bad for State.
Wow, great TvP there! Very exciting.
Hello
360p
Terran op :( Buff Protoss!!
God balance is a joke i guess.
360p is still better than having that idiotic chain frame there when watching live.
I miss the chains. I can't watch without the chains now, I feel unsafe and weird, like stockholm sydrome I've come to love my shackles...
Felt bad for Stats. He used to be a really good player.
the USA need to put all ppl at age 20+ into the military for at least 2 year too for discipline
Zombiegrub!!
I need somebody to tell State to speak less lol sometimes he’ll just go on for a minute straight and Tasteless doesn’t get to say anything
He’ll have theory after theory after theory and I have to skip it sometimes
SCV Pull is a bad mechanic. I like Bunny but he should not have won that game vs Nightmare. They have to balance that.
WM > SC2
nerf the filthy tosssess!!
pls stop making Terran op.
State talks too much.
t a click so hard
I dont play the game but have followed the sence and watched tournaments since the beginning. These widow mine games are just garbage. Not fun or interesting to watch in any way and cleary skew outcomes in completely unfavorable ways
glhf
New patch = scrappy games. Not as much refinement as usual. It will take time for everyone to process it all. Zerg got nerfed a bit too hard by the looks of it. Not sure how they can utilize fast hydras.
Nightmare is more a Zerg name imo, horrible name for a protoss player.
Also, terran is such bullshit, saving a lost game by pulling SCVs shouldn't be viable. Nightmare did a good job...
Maru won this time
Lose ? Xd
Boo
Idk if i want to endure another tournament listening to State, fml
stats laughs like hes trying to get the girlfriends dad to like him by laughing at his jokes
balance patch is a joke "to help protoss against terran" and they completely ruin protoss's chance against terran. the balance teams are heavily anti-protoss. you can see terran make 3 giant mistakes back to back to back and lose almost everything completely free. but terran has been made to auto win vs protoss by the absolutely horrendous balance team, that terran just can either use emps, instant lock down any useful protoss units, or just walk across map into a trap and just A move to win with sieged tanks. Balance for this game has been shit for protoss and every buff or increase to protoss is designed to be a nerf overall
i rly dont like this new guy. he casts like he’s solo casting with someone next to him. not like he’s dual casting.