The Battle Of The Best Tank Commanders Of WWII | Greatest Tank Battles | War Stories
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- By 1942, Rommel's Afrika Corps has been pushed back to Tunisia and the new US tank force lands in North Africa. This is the story of the final North African battles as two of history's most famed tank commanders - Patton and Rommel - go head to head.
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My father was in Patton’s 2nd Armored Division (82nd Recon. Battalion) and part of Operation Torch landing at Casablanca. Those guys got the full $5 tour of WWII. After Africa, they took part in the invasion and occupation of Sicily. They then trained in England for D-Day ( went in on day 2), fought through France and on to Belgium, The Netherlands, the Battle of the Bulge and into Germany. Quite a ride! He died in 2016 at age 97.
My dad was in Pattons 3rd Army as was my future FIL, he was a ranger
@@sandralarson-gonzales3797 Brave men all.
What a resilient and hardened generation. They don’t make them like that anymore.
That is amazing!
@@sandralarson-gonzales3797 what is a FIL???
“I thought you could almost go out with a baseball bat and hit the artillery shells” that’s an American teenager right there
In the Civil War, artillery often fired solid rounds to skip across the ground at advancing infantry. More than a few lost limbs or their lives thinking they could catch the seemingly slow moving cannonballs.
@@dvrmte Which Civil War?
@@iriscollins7583 The American Civil War of 1861-65.
"Actual combat is never a breeze." What a GREAT comment. My dad served in Patton's Army from N. Africa to the end of the war. 82nd.
82nd "Screaming Eagles" parachute division ?
@@scottyfox6376 The 101st are the "Screaming Eagles." The 82nd has 2 connected "A's". Called the "all American" division.
That's amazing. What did your Hero, I mean Dad say about Patton?
God bless your father, a bonified hero!
My step fathers uncle was with Patton. He said he went 1 month without showering or a change of clothes once, only a change of socks.
So precious to get the first hand perspectives of the soldiers from both sides and also the land owner.
Perspectives which are seldom all shown together. So brilliantly done. I love this channel.
He said " thats why I don't hear too well now." God love him. Stand up & salute this man.
Gotta respect the bravery & humility they all showed just in recounting these battles!
My Dad was in this battle. He was wounded and could have gone home to the US but he refused. GOD rest his soul.
My Great Uncle lost his thumb holding a .303 at the Seige of Tobruk . The Commonwealth Vs Rommel . The Australians and the Desert Rats beat Rommel there before this show period
Thanks to your father we are free people today. Thanks
Thank your father for me. He's a very brave man....and, a true hero.
Prayers to a man of many men who fought for our freedom
@@shiakohn3649 Sorry, we are no longer free, we didn't take care of our inner enemies. There is no freedom of speech or movement in most states. If you don't believe me, try to post a video of the election f r a u d
My uncle was in the US Army, 1st Armored Division, Operation Torch. He landed in Oran and in the first tank battles late Nov 1942 in Tebourba Tunisia. He died in his tank on 2 Dec 1942 when 1st Armored Division engaged German Afrika Corps.
What a hero!
Thank Marshall for the flimsy tank your uncle died in. He dragged his feet on the Pershing and a lot of tankers died as result of his dopey command.
The Afrikakorps were not involved in that battle. They were hundreds of miles away. The German side in North Tunisia was Panzer Army 5 which wasn't Rommel's army.
Wow, great bit of history. My grandad was in the Eighth Army, sadly he was killed on 21st April 1943. His grave is in Enfidaville War Cemetery, Enfida. I am lucky is respect that I have managed to visit his grave twice to date and even managed to bury some of my dads ashes (his son) there with him. Respect to all that fell.
My uncle Kenny died 22nd April 1943. He is buried in Thibar Seminary War Cemetery, Tunisia. He was a driver in the RASC. The family was told “machine-gunned”.
He was the first of two uncles that were lost. My uncle Freddy was lost along with six of his friends re-embarking a landing ship in bad weather during an exercise in training for D-Day on Hayling Island 4th May 1944.
my uncle was killed too. He is also in the Enfidaville Cementry. Rip George Wall
@@alunwall1458 Many brave people at rest there, respect to them all. Have you ever been?
@@rjc7026 My cousin went there a few years ago. I have a photo of his grave She said it was a very emotional experience. He died between march 21 to march 23 1943We have 3 family births on the 22nd including my dad, my son, and my Cousin.
@@alunwall1458 Have to say Alun that your cousin is right. I went there as happy as anything, after all I was going to see my grandfathers grave, the moment I stood in front of it I broke down, the feeling you get is indescribable. I have all the letters he sent back home and thankfully his belongings that dad passed on to me. I'm lucky but its good that you know where he is and that you have a picture, if you get chance to go then do, the place is kept immaculately.
R.I.P. Tank Driver Howard Frame! You were there! You told me everything about your time in the Army, As I listened to you as My Grandfather. You wouldn't talk much about it to others, but you told me everything! When you died at home.....You took a part of me with you. I miss you soo much Granddaddy!
@Dan Bertucci soo true brother! !!!!
@Good Looking Honkey... Well spoken Sir! Thank You for sharing Yourself and Your Grandfather (A True American HERO) with us!! Rest In Peace!!
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My father served in Pattons 3rd Army. He loved the man for all of his life
These are real heros, thank you all from the bottom of my beart
_did you know that Donald Trump is the reincarnation of General George Patton? It's TRUE, he knows it, and it's BEAUTIFUL. These are qualities they "both" possessed. As well as a strong desire to protect those deemed overlooked or underappreciated._
A former Colleague's Father was in the Afrika Corps. When they surrendered, an American soldier said to him, "The War is over for you now", and my Colleagues Father was so thankful to hear those words.
My favorite comment I have read thus far re: war--'Anyone who tells you they were not scared the first time they were in combat, is a liar.' Hans von Luck
I've got an insane amount of respect for the survivors, who now, years later, go through the entire process of telling their story to the rest of the world. The hurt they go through re-living the past, to offer us an insight of what it was like.
And foolishly and fool of pride we refuse to listen to the real message and still get at each other's throats...
@@johnnyblue4799 I know, but if you look at the history of mankind, we've never learnt from our mistakes. Ever. For as long as people have walked this planet, there's been wars and disputes. And for as long as we'll be walking this planet, there will be wars. Unfortunately there's too many people on this planet who just can't deal with the power and greed.
May God Bless all the veterans, living and passed on, from all sides, who served in WW2. War and its technology had changed so much in so little time, the courage it took for these soldiers to function, facing all the horrific sights and deafening sounds of industrial 20th century warefare, defies our understanding. They were like machines loyal to duty and country. Many already accepted death and went ahead with their assignments anyways; it's simply amazing, and I celebrate them all!!!!
Especially when they are being manipulated, lied to, and set against each other time and time again by scheming, filthy rich, evil men who think they are destined by their warped minds to rule the entire world
A great quote of Rommel's would be: "Never has a general achieved more with less than a young Napoleon!"
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Why are you postulating a quote from Rommel?
What is your military training other than cleaning the latrine? Duck off!
@@ibdaffy Cuz Rommel is pretty cool
@@ibdaffy I hope you know all militaries use tactics from Rommel. So “duck off”
@@lazycrusader1488 facts. Without him we wouldn’t have so many tactics to learn from him 🤝
The short of it is: There never was any "Patton and Rommel showdown". Rommel left the battle before Patton joined.
But the men he lead and trained were still there and fighting, under officers inspired by him. So, he pretty much was.
@@whispofwords2590 absolutely no
Rommel may not have been there but he & his forces had already been defeated in El Alemain by Montgomery for heaven’s sake!
@@alexvonrom7942 absolutely no? Explain
Patton was vastly over rated...he only won when he had overwhelming superiority
My great grandfather was in the 1st infantry division in the army in Tunisia. Here he also got a purple heart.
Bravo
Tough guy!
My father was in tank school while this was happening. I imagine that the victory was heartening to those who would soon deploy. He and his fellow soldiers landed in Anzio soon after they graduated from tank school.
Back when generals fought on the battlefield and not over Skype from DC
Actually, the American commander -- Patton's predecessor -- was dug into a bunker more than 20 miles away from the fighting. It's one reason he was replaced.
Every Wing Commander I know is a General and is located at every Forward operating Base I've been stationed.
@@zedwpd Rank inflation, evidently. Used to be, air force wings were comparable to regiments and commanded by a colonel; and if air bases are now on the front lines we're in worse shape than I thought. (Incidentally I was wrong about the American commander in Tunisia. He was --60-- miles behind the line! In a concrete bunker!)
Didn't see any generals leading by example.
@@retiredkidbuck Not many on horseback either.
" I rode a tank, held a general's rank, while the blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank. Please to meet you. Hope you guess my name." Our family tree is mostly German and Irish and my brother's middle name is Rommel. I learned so much more about this war as an adult than I ever did in high school.
I am guessing your name is Lucifer! My favorite Rolling Stones song.
Devils symphony
In american schools you learn about WW2: America: Good
Germany: Bad
@@Historylord15 Now we are learning that Germany was the good guys and the history was a lie. We know who the real bad guys are.
@@biancazombie3054 Oh really?🤨
My Father was there when I was born November 1942 , Daddy hauled new tanks in and burned tanks back to the coast ..He then went to Sicily he finished the war as the engineer on Eiisenhower's train in the Rhineland and as Eisenhower's body guard .In total Daddy served in 5 theaters of WW2 .
WoW!!!
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I was gonna say that!
WOW!!!
There were 3 recognised Theatres in WW2; ETO MTO PTO
Don't you go ago'n confusing us with the facts, dag nabbit!@@jacktattis
I really feel for that man who said that he can't hear so well now. After having had my ears pounded for 45 minutes I now can't hear so well either
The bravery of men going into battle with inferior equipment is unimaginable.
"Inferior"
@@youraveragescotsman7119 the Sherman's sucked
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Not really.
Great HE shell, easy to mass produce and incredibly easy to repair, easy to escape if required, had the lowest crew mortality rate of the war (less than 3%), could easily be upgraded to deal with German Big Cats and was leagues better than the T-34.
@@user-ov1ep5rf2l The Sherman is arguably one of the best tanks for the war.
A person might meet their own death in any number of ways. The act of bravery perhaps most visible when the individual feels in their heart, they can, are able to stand before God, without shame, with fear but without shame.
"Patton And Hans-Jürgen von Arnim Showdown in Tunisia" was not a very catchy title at all. So it had to be Patton vs Rommel even though Rommel had already gone home.
And it was the bits the Germans surrendered to no the Americans
@John Cornell After they surrendered???
During that time rommel was faced court marshall
By this point in Africa, Von Arnim was a far the better German field commandermthan Rommel. Rommel was just about washed up as a general in Africa by the time Patton arrived. He was a sick, defeated, dispirited man -- mostly because of the lousy outcome in Egypt months earlier.
@Young Dre No i dont believe you men he was executed until he died
Rommel was crazy, he leaded his men to battle in front with his tank, what a true leader .
Overplayed. He also was ready to abandon one of his hurt men to get to safety during an artillery bombardment. His lietienieut had to point out that the man was badly wounded and not dead. His lt had to order another man to drive rommel to safety while he stayed with the wounded man, who survived. Upon encountering his wounded officer later, rommel supposedly just remarked I can't believe you lived and walked away. That's as told by his own lieutenant in an interview. Not a history book.
If a lieutenant had to make a stand for an injured soldier to not be left. He is no Patton.
@@shaunsteele4968 If you think a general should risk themself for a lt you must be clueless
@@for865 it would help the men to see a few more dead generals I'm this war. George Patton. I don't think anything. I'm telling you what his men thought about him. Sorry to destroy your hero and churchills shaming instrument.
@@for865 however he addressed the situation was a$$hole enough that his lt was brought onto a documentary and I'm sure he was aware it was to talk rommel up and he chose to lead with that story. That has to tell you something.
Rommel will be remembered as the best tank strategist and a gentleman. Just that he fight the war for the wrong person/side
Patton is not a gentleman, Rommel was
It is interesting that the Desert Fox is about the only German General from WW2 that is highly respected or admired by the allies.
Guderian, Manstein, Bradley, Konev?
Rommel? Gentleman? Eh..wouldn't go that far. He was fighting for a demonic cause. Brilliant strategist and general, heck yes.
@@RD24LFG He was force to self terminated for going up against the same demonic he was fighting for, remember???
According to every historical account I have read, Rommel and Paton never faced each other in battle. At the Kasserine pass Rommel gave his okay for the assault grudgingly, as he thought they lacked the forces to hold any ground they won. His second in command was in charge and did all the planning. Rommel was right, once the Americans got organized they drove the Germans back with help from the British. Montgomery on the other hand fought Rommel's forces and beat them,,,,several times. In fact, the invasion of North Africa was the final nail in the ultimate defeat of the German in Africa. The British 8th army did most of the fighting, and the fact that the Brits held onto Malta; denying Rommel supplies across the Med is really the reason he lost.
You will NOT make friends here. The Patton admirers will not believe you
@@jacktattis Too bad, but the facts stand firmly on my side. Rommel wasn't there. Period. Patton's fans ignore the man while idolizing the general. Bradley and Eisenhower on the other hand were great leaders inspiring their subordinates, Patton instilled fear instead of respect and while he got results sometimes, his overall record pales next to Bradley and Ike.
@@bullettube9863 They will not believe you. It has been ingrained on their psyche
One of the main reasons for the Defeat of Rommel by the Allied forces, (British Commonwealth and US) in North Africa was the massive force that was exerted and applied by the Red Army on the German Forces on the Eastern Front. 80% of German Manpower and 90% of German Industrial Production of supplies were consumed on the Eastern Front by the German Forces leaving minimal equipment, ammunition and fuel resupply for the North African Campaign. I am not trying to diminish the effort by the Allied Forces in North Africa.
@@bullettube9863 I do agree with you, personally I don't agree with how Historians rate Patton as an exceptional General.
The American commander was Fredendall, not Patton. Fredendall stayed safe 60-70 miles from the front, didn't see what was happening in battle.
He was playing poker while the battle was being fought ..Ike caught wind of it and was furious..relieved him and sent him home
Frendall was promoted to Lt. General.
frenendall was trash
Nothing wrong with self preservation
@@danrook5757 not when leading men in a crucial battle ?
Rommel and Patton NEVER met, one-n-one, in battle. Rommel was back in Germany, for R&R, when Patton finally got command of a tank unit in North Africa. They NEVER met in battle in Europe, either.
You know the old saying..."Never let facts intrude upon a youtube video."
Patton ad Rommel against the Russian?, what a great world would be now.
Yeah the video was a bit too dramatic for its own good. Actual quote: "whoever wins here [Faid] wins North Africa." Then the US loses, and wins North Africa anyways.
"But surely Rommel planned the battle. And if you defeat the plan, you defeat the man."
@@billtisch3698 Never
These humble men saved the world. Every single one are hero's, stars should be named after them.
Who? Rommel?
@@thevillaaston7811 🤣 Careful! They'll stone you in the public square for that! The history is written by the victors, but the truth is that in both sides there were good men, who, given the option, would have been anywhere but at war. They all believed they were fighting for the right cause. The money lenders were/are the only ones profiting from war. While those humble men "saved the world", the financiers were funding both sides...
My dad, C47 pilot, delivered Patton to the West from Casablanca, during the Kasserine debacle. He had them delay the final flight leg until the Kasserine battle was over.
@Hoa Tattis +1+
Liar it was my grandcdad
@@royk9028 stop trying to take credit for everything you attention seeking kid
Too bad he couldn’t get him out of Germany before the US murdered him!
The history Channel should be showing these videos. Perfect video to end the night - not too heavy but plenty of history, perspective and emotion. Well done
American Heroes Channel has tons of war footage.
This is what History Channel used to be back in the 90's and early 2000's.
Patton never faced off with Rommel.
The general at the slaughter at Faid, Sidi-Bou_Zid, Kasserine was Lloyd Fredendall.
"OMG, what's gonna happen next." SIX times they rerun this quote in 25 minutes!! Outta here!
One of my Great Grandfather's fought at The Battle of the Kasserine Pass. He ended up amongst the captured, was marched from Tunisia to Berlin, and spent the remainder of the war in a concentration camp outside of Berlin, as a human shield against the carpet bombing campaigns.
No
My father carpet bombed Berlin, when press reports of human shields surfaced they were told they were German civilians and should be considered collateral damage, just like the cities.
Great grandfather and you are Vietnamese? Liar
@@royk9028 My Great-Grandfather on my father's side, was a second generation Basque immigrate to America during the turn of the century. My Viet heritage comes from my mother, a first generation immigrant herself.
Really?
I had the pleasure of knowing two Sargents, one from Patton's army and one from Montgomery's Sargent George Reynolds and Sargent Paul Beaton, they both became Chiropractors with my dad after the war. Boy they told some stories and inspired me to join the army.
Did they teach you how to spell sergeant? LOL, sorry, everybody does that.
I love seeing this video with over 2 million views. Let’s me know there are still Americans that care about the history of this great country.
What makes you think that it is all americans?
@@Thomas_TdK what? That question made no sense.
@@tornadoesdontstopspinnin6271 It does make sense
@@lukebennellick4315 explain.
@@tornadoesdontstopspinnin6271 I think what he's saying is, it's entirely possible that of those 2 million views, many of them could be Europeans, South Americans, Asians etc, so there could be very few Americans actually watching it. I'm don't agree that that's the case at all, I'm sure many Americans are watching especially given what you guys did with Operation Torch! My guess is most of us watching this video are German, American or British (like me!).
Patton V.S. Rommel At The Battle Of Tunisia - The Battle That Never Happened.
EVERY veteran that I've heard remembering details from any war, any service, any battle....it was always yesterday for them.
My father was a combat infatryman and was wounded badly wounded. He was 7th infantry co.H 3rd div. Tanks might be glorious but the infantryman was the soul of any combat.
The 3rd Infantry Division saw a LOT of action and had a lot of casualties. Which battles did your father participate in?
@2beinteresting Dad passed 26 years ago. I don't remember battle names and his paperwork got messed up because while recuperating he was assigned to the Red Bull transport then returned to the 7th inf.
WW2 was hellacious, modern warfare had turned every battle into a killing field, my dad fought in Burma, and between the disease, the mosquitoes, and the heat my dad was lucky to survive.
Be Fair and Just, give Field Marshal ERWIN ROMMEL his due. 🏆
@Young Dre wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. At least you tried though, I'll give you that...
Well he is the only German general that had a museum dedicated after him, and the most popular than other general even more than Patton. Even the Japanese and the Chinese recognize who is Rommel and quite popular in Indonesia. So technically most popular General of course under Napoleon and Julius Caesar. But still he deserves it
Hello Mark, John Gray here. My Brother and Brother in Law both fought during the Africa Campaign.
When the war was over, and they both came back home to Scotland, they very seldom spoke about it. They were sickend by the horrors they went through. But they said Rommel was greatly admired even by the allies troops. Such a pity the great man was murdered by his own people.
God Bless, take care during these terrible times.
What if the RAF had lost the Battle of Britain? Would the Brits have been overrun? Would the Nazis have won the war?
Top historians debate one of the biggest what-ifs in history: th-cam.com/video/OaH2-g04cIA/w-d-xo.html
They tell you how many tanks were lost. How many souls were lost?
Then operation zeeloewe would had happen!! The german occupation of southern england.
'Top historians?' Hardly. One knew her subject, one was an actor, and the third a specialist on African history.
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Those of you who follow this battle know Rommel was always short of troops, armor, air cover,gas and supplies. If everything were equal he may never had lost a battle.
If everything was equal all battles would be stalemates.
Rommel had equal forces to Montgomery at Alam el Halfa in August 1942. Montgomery still beat him.
@@lyndoncmp5751 britain was outnumbered my uncle was a captain under montgomery .
So, the master race would have never lost a battle. Too bad the master race lost the war.
Huytonbaddy
Really? Respect. Great to know.
Facing the stationary 88s must have been bad enough,but once they were fitted to the tiger,that must have been frightening.
Luckily they produced less than 1,400 Tigers and they wound up being more of a liability in regards to maintaining and moving them around the battlefield.
Even despite the lack of numbers of Tigers the 88 is one of the most formidable weapons ever used during war. The fact it could be used both as an anti air and anti tank device is unbelievable and frightening to those who had to witness it.
@@challenger2031 Thankfully,the 105 mm anti aircraft gun didn't have the versatility of the 88,mounted on a tank that would have been truly lethal.
Actually, the PAK 70 AT killed a lot of allied armor.
Yes, howevet the Tiger was an easy target from the air, and was complicated, while a Flak 88, was a reliable multi-purpuse gun. And losing them wasn't big deal
What is this nonsensical title? Patton & Rommel never faced each other in battle.
Patton faced Rommel's plan.
@@johncaron4888 As is well known, no plan survives initial contact with the enemy.
In any case, El Guettar was hardly the triumph depicted in the risible old 1970 movie. It was at best inconclusive. Odd that the movie forgot the Battle of Mareth, taking place at the same time, and the Battle of Wadi Akarit, wasn'r it?
@@johncaron4888 Rommel's plan at that point was imply to survive and retreat.
This is a joke
@@dovetonsturdee7033 What? El Guettar was nothing but a defeat for the Germans. The U.S. defeated a German attack, counter attacked, and was only stopped when Italians holding highly defensible terrain were reinforced by German units. Saying that it was inconclusive is like saying Operation Overlord was inconclusive.
"The last tank was about 2000 m away"
The tank commander-"yawn......who wants this one....I'm tired"
maybe he was wrong,,
really appreciate the rome total war and battlefield 1 sounds effects
This item is rather short on fact, for example Paton never actually faced Rommel himself but did face about a quarter of the devastated remnants of the Africa Corps who were starved of armor and ammunition. Rommel was convalescing in Germany and the bulk of his army was facing the British Eighth army on the eastern front and the British advance which was taking place above Patton's forces in the West. After the devastating retreat of the American army at the Kasserine pass, an attack that was only stopped by British artillery which was called in to stop a complete route of the ill led American army. Thereorganized
Will you give Americans any credit for literally anything or are you just going to attribute everything they accomplished to someone else?
@@kidfox3971 Truth sometimes hurts....no use trying to re-write history
Did you NOT hear the narrator specifically say that Rommels tank forcd was reduced down to just 64 in the very first few seconds of the video? Attention to detail. You're short on fact for your criticism.
Edit: sorry, first 2 minutes. The quote actult start about 1:40
Title should be Monty's Showdown With Remnants of Afrika Korps. Patton wasn't in charge and Rommel wasn't there. Read Nigel Hamilton's bio of Monty Vol 2.
@@arcticbraga322 *anti-American myths are always myths
Fixed it for you
No one doubts sacrifices and courage of men in these battles in North Africa, but in comparison to Eastern Front they were just skirmishes.
Not if you were in it!!
What a stupid and pointless comment
well damn,,, i thought death was death,,, anywhere
You'd be surprised at how many Axis soldiers were taken prisoner in Tunisia.
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- Especially the Italians!
Patton used a Kellet Autogyro YB60 for observation in the Mojave Desert for filming formations and training of his airfare. Sorry there are no picture of this autogyro.
They don't even mention that Patton brought in Long Tom, 155mm artillary for the second German attack. They were hitting them on top as well as with TDs from the sides.
Thanks a lot to Gen. Patton, the confident general
“Blood & Guts”, General Patton.
@@Snookynibbles Mainly other people's.
20:49 Rommel's Swag of showing his strategy
I can't pick one, these two guys are one of the best in the world.
Strangely enough, they were both murdered.
you don't have to, there was only a Rommel/Montgomery showdown at El Alamein, which Rommel lost
@@glennpickard2239 that's true but you can't deny the fact that both of them are really good commanders
My father was in the invasion of France on June 6th, 1944. He was a gunners mate second class on an LST. The Germans knew what an LST was and blew it out of the water. (And LST is a special ship that carried to shore whatever was needed at the time to make a beach head. The front opened; and Tanks, Artillary, ammo, jeeps, explosives, more solders, anything that was needed to make that beach head). My father was firing at gun implacements from the LST, when all of a sudden, the German Artillary sent such a barrage of fire power it blew the LST out of the water. My father was in the water. He didn't get rescued until they succured a beachhead. He told me he was in a British hospital for 6 months before he was able to come home.
Thank you for reminding us what could happen here. Because it could, because we are not at the ready at all. Maybe behind the scenes but not where we can see.
From The Rhode Island Patriot.
I find it so cool they were able to get the soldiers who were there to talk about the battle.
Yes but when was this Filmed
Sgt Melford M.Smith a tank commander at Gen.Patton's 1st battle of El Guettar told me Patton used his superior numbers of tanks as Artillary TOT Tactics where several dozen Shermans LOBBED shells onto a Panzer but were staggard for TOT "Time On Target" to smash the Panzer into the desert floor when a "Truck Load of Steel" lands at the same time on top of a Panzer & "wheels come off" LITERALLY> Armor still intact but ALL WHEELS FLATTENED
Patton should have won the battle with tactics like that!! But sadly he lost as many men and material as was lost at the kesserine pass! The British had to finish the battle of El Guetter. Patton's poor show in North Africa led to him playing a supporting role in Sicily
The legend of desert fox, never die... He dies of force by Hitler, conspirators , assassians of him.
Oh and my ability to put much better commanders in place than you George Patton. Men like fredendall and Clark.
@@shaunsteele4968 we all agree that the greatest general in ww2 is
1. Manstein
2. Georgy Zhukov
3. Dwight D Eisenhower
Patton was only in command in Tunisia for about a month. His one big push on the Germans after Kasserine was stopped cold. The Allies won in N. Africa because of overwhelming numbers and equipment, period. This documentary seems to me to be quite accurate.
Almost every war ever fought has been won because of numerically superior forces...The American revolution was an exception... But generally you win wars because you have more people and more equipment... Patton's push through Sicily and Italy was stopped cold too wasn't it???
A win is a win.
@@jamesrose1351 You seem to be attempting to make a point, just not sure what it is.
KG you stated the allies only won because of superior numbers, etc. I was pointing out that's how most wars are won... In the American civil war the north won primarily because of superior numbers and more factories which enabled them to develop better weapons, but even without out repeating rifles they would have still won because of a larger population. Can you think of a major conflict where an army with fewer assets and inferior weapons won???
@@jamesrose1351 l’m only talking about the fighting in N. Africa, which is what the video is about. Our Army was very green and the generalship not very good. This was not only the view of the Germans but the British and even our own generals. As the war progressed we naturally improved in the art of war.
This channel is the best when it comes to ww2
Surely, wasn't the biggest showdown here, between Montgomery and Rommel?
Quite correct Richard, the desert war was mostly fought between Rommel and Montgomery.
An interesting piece of info here is, the group called long range desert , became the now known SAS. They were a real thorn in Rommel's behind. They were everywhere, Benghazi, El Alamein etc.
Hitting Rommel's forces when they least expected it. Started of by a Scotsman named, Stifling.
@@johngray8249 that's not quite true the LRDG helped the SAS but still remaind a sperate unit ( my grandfather fought with the LRDG )
Yes, perhaps. Certainly the quickest and most decisively won. When it was over Rommel was gone, leaving about a third of his tanks knocked out, mainly by well concealed artillery. and to minimum British losses.
@@johngray8249 Sorry to be picky but wasn't it David Stirling? Agree with all you said. I used to have a mate, who was in the Regiment and did tours in Malaya and Borneo. He's gone now sadly, but he was a great bloke was Tommy.
Yes, it was Montgomery who defeated Rommel. Again and again. Alam el Halfa, El Alamein, Mareth, Medanine. Patton never fought Rommel.
I remember this series back in late 2000's as a teen. I think it was History Channel or NAT GEO series - Greatest Tank Battles. But the titles here are misleading.
This, Shootout and Dogfights were one of my favorite shows back then, sad History Channel would rather play ancient aliens than actual history.
It was the sand in the gears that defeated the Afrika Corps. The Italians were tasked with supplying them. They dutifully reported shipments by radio and the allied subs were waiting for them. So maybe equipment left something to be desired, but it provided the attrition and the subs provided the strategic strangulation. Rommel was good with camouflage, but allied forces learned on their feet and fooled Rommel into defeat at Egypt.
There was no fooling Rommel, and no surprise that the British broke through at El Alamein. Rommel arrived at El-Al with 50 tanks, at the end of a long supply chain. He knew he wasn't going to win, camouflage or no camouflage. What was surprising, is that Montgomery's straight down the front assault caused more casualties than any battle since the Somme, far more on the British side than the German. Rommel's retreat, and the defence at El Agheila, were also victories for the German side. The arrival of the 5th Panzer Army in Africa left Rommel, a relatively junior officer, at the mercy of the higher command - he was lucky to be recalled to Germany before the collapse.
no it wasnt it was Monty
Years ago Rommel’s son wrote an autobiography about his father quoting him as saying, Patton was the only general he respected and admired , Montgomery was impotent as a leader.
Really? Rommel and Patton never encountered each other on the Battlefield. I doubt that Rommel had even heard of him. Montgomery defeated Rommel at Alam Halfa, 2nd Alamein, and Medenine. Rommel did not defeat Montgomery at all.
If you must make something up, at least make it vaguely believable.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Read “The Rommel Papers” by Erwin Rommel, 1953.
With your great knowledge you misjudged sir; Rommel and Patton were adversaries during WW1, gentleman warriors made it a point to gather knowledge for future conflicts.
And furthermore sir, at no point in my comment did I mention or even hint that Rommel and Patton meet in battle. Some people simply like too accuse or find fault with others.
@@NBZW I have. There is one brief mention of Patton attributed to Rommel, and two other passing references, one by Liddell-Hart and one by Bayerlein. I thought you said the reference was in Manfred's book?
Ain't that something? The Desert Fox wasn't even there to lead his troops? Damn.
one of my favorite general of world war 2 Enwin Rommel (DESERT FOX)
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The time when the history channel is an actual history channel
Very well done.
Hearing from the folks that survived is humbling.
They're all the same, just trying to do their job.
I wish they all could have survived.
This tv stuff is SO slow paced and repetitive. You could edit this down to ten minutes.
Don't watch then , l am waiting for something of substance a Bigmouth like you posts , like a video or is that just beyond your capabilities and pay grade.ungrateful armchair general , does that sum you up
@@trevorplows7494 Learn to take criticism
@@settekwan2708 that is not critic..that is demoralise others or toxic behaviour..critics mean complaining in a good manner..not condemming others work
@@goodvibes3445 Than I'm sorry to tell you that you are too spoiled
@@settekwan2708 im just telling what is right and what isn't ..nothing much
100% true during a fight you're not focused on being killed, it's all mechanical at the moment. Training comes into play. During down time, that's when those thoughts creep in.
Im wondering why the American Shermans weren't sending smoke shells down range to obscure their attacks ?
These History Channel type docos are like alternate history documentaries.
I think they should go back out and interview any ww2 vets tht are still alive I know there’s not a lot but this is the last chance to get any stories they haven’t heard yet and document these men’s amazing stories. God bless every one of them too they literally are the definition of brave, committed, patriots, hero’s ect ect.
I hope there is a heaven and all these men have earned their place.
East-front, in the west...and also Northafrica, German quality was hard to beat, except by huge and endless numbers of men and material.
Don't start shit with people that can produce huge and endless numbers of men and material. Pretty simple concept.
@@richardm3023 like the ussr?
Except thats not it. The sherman most certainly was superior to any panzer3 or 4 when it comes to fighting ability, and it was better then the later panzers in literaly every respect except its ability to take a hit and dish out damage. Like the german crewmen said early on in this documentary, the American junior grade officers in charge at the tactical level were just inexperienced and didnt known how to handle the situation.
@@richardm3023 Well...............the Koreans fought the USA to a standstill and the Vietnamese defeated the USA
@@robertbennett9949 The Koreans were steamrolled all the way back to the Chinese border, the Chicoms fought the USA to a standstill. Read a book, please.
"WE DEFEATED THE WRONG ENEMY!" Patton was murdered for speaking the truth
He was talking about the Communists who are now on the verge of conquering America.
You mean they defeated Nazis, instead of defeating English empire. Than you're right.
@@rosepiranian7596 the Marxist mind virus.
@@rosepiranian7596 Fox News called they said make sure you get back in the living room and get your daily dose of brainwashing.
@@randomargument972 B.S.
Rommel was finished by the time Patton arrive in North Africa after el Alamein which was the Commonwealth not the US,The US didn't really kick in proper until operation avalanche and Husky
Yes it was Montgomerys 8 th Army that really defeated the Axis in North Africa. The Germans did send reinforcements to Tunisia but it was too late by then.
Two great warriors. I cant imagine what a shell would do to the tank crew inside. Horrible way to die.
I think of that every time a tank is "hit" in Ukraine. Putin should be on the front lines, not sending others in to get killed.
M3 Lee medium tanks of the 13th Armored Division were some of the first to encounter the Panzer Mark IV's. One of the best variant model tanks was the M7 Priest following the Lend-Leased UK contemporary, Bishop and Deacon. Also the M10. It was a self propelled artillery/tank destroyer using a Lee, Sherman or Stuart chassis and fully tracked, sporting the 3-inch main gun 76.2 mm or also the M2 105 mm Howitzer and M2HB Browning. 50 caliber Machine gun making it quite a formidable weapon against the Axis.
Simply said no they couldnt even penetrate the front
The Germans faced the M3 Lee Medium Tank over in Libya. I believe Monty used one .
They (priests) were on Sherman chassis. M10? Maybe the smaller stuarts, as they were a gutless little tank.
Rommel may have lost the battle but had the best uniform.
Well if Rommel lost it, he did it while on sick-leave in Germany. There after being badly beaten by the British 8th. Army at Medenine in the East of Tunisia. Patton was actually fighting General von Arnim and his much depleted army, because Monty had wiped one third of Rommel's tanks on March the 6th. Patton was recalled to help plan the Sicily campaign, but Monty stayed to win the battle of the Marreth Line, where New Zealanders performed a brilliant left hook which doomed the Germans. The Americans pushed North to take the Port of Bizerte while the
British 1st Army under Gen. Anderson took Tunis itself to seal the German's fate. Gen. Alexander accepted 250 thousand Axis prisoners. And yes, the Germans had better uniforms. The Americans had courage and the Brits knew how to fight!
I have been reading through the comments, and i will just add this. In War, it does not matter one iota what Patton's men thought of him, so long as they carried out his orders. And they did
@39:30 that guy saying he can't hear too well made me laugh. I am M-60 deaf so I know what he means. It drives my wife crazy LOL
Rommel is one of the greatest field Marshalls , strategic genius , facing enemies from all the sides .His enemies always afraid to face him only when outnumbering him at least 3 to 1
they lost. that is what counts.
@@markeyfarrell napoleon lost as well , but still considered as the best military genius ever
It was Montgomery who defeated Rommel in North Africa. At Alam el Halfa, El Alamein, Mareth and Medanine.
Patton never faced, nevermind defeated, Rommel even once.
Hollywood huh?
classic case of never letting the truth get in the way of a good story - the unfortunate side-effect of this video is that there are so many who don't actually get what you're saying. The title is misleading. No, actually, it's not misleading, it's grossly untrue!
Quite so Sean 👍
At this time Rommel was back in Germany recouperating he never ever faced Patton, Kesselring was in Charge.
3 of my uncles were in this Battle, one never came home, RIP George W
Its been proven that rommel had paid off British informants he called his "little fingers" during the beggining of the Tunisia campaign. At the end were he seems much more lethargic and not mythical, he has lost access to his little fingers.
Maybe they were never his 'little fingers' in the first place.
and mean while ole Monty was reading the Germans messages before the Germans got them,, also no gas/food/ammo/replacements would lead to their demise,
@@jimmyhaley727 well later on that would be true. At this point early in the war, you have to remember, this is before us involvement, they had not broken enigma yet. They were being starved of all that bc the gamblers last gamble had failed. A lighting sweep on russia. And now all of that was being pumped into the Eastern front. Us knowing all about them was more circa d day.
At that point. It would be a similar situation to having Lee threatening the gates of Washington and having one general in Texas saying there's confederates here too. You on you own. We're fighting 12 million peasants here.
No mention of the fact that it was M3 Stuart light tanks that first had to face the German onslaught. Naturally they were decimated.
This is sacrilege! Comparing Patton with Rommel is like comparing the Village Idiot with Charlie Chaplin.
my father was wounded there in 43 he reciveded 3 bronze stars purple heart . i guess now that im in my sixtys i can under stand why he never talked about it . he lied his age he was 16 when he was in north africa god bless all our combat vets
The British had already defeated Rommel by the time the Americans arrived in North Africa the Germans had been in retreat across the whole continent and they still managed to defeat the Americans in Tunisia the only thing that save a complete destruction of the US army was help from the British empire troops
I thought that too. Of course WWII is always us Americans winning everything.
If it wasn't for America helping Britain with equipment, resources, and men, Britain wouldn't have been in the war at that point. Neither side deserves all the credit. It was a partnership.
I've found it strange that US troops were a number of times PHENOMENAL in the Korean War under generals like Matthew Ridgway (who literally saved that campaign), yet more average World War II performances are hailed as some of our great triumphs. Italy was messy, and we had a disaster similar to Market Garden at Hurtgen Forest. Far from invincible or overwhelming.
@@mikekrone4582 I see your point, but even the Germans could never have invaded Britain, the Royal Navy was the best in the world at the time, and the Germans would have been slaughtered on the beaches. Yes America helped with equipment, but none of it was free, the British paid for it 100% mainly in cash, but also in other ways, expertise in helping to build the A bomb and of course the gift of the Jet Engine which the British Invented in 1930, by Sir Frank Whittle.
@@jetpigeon8758 brits were on there knees..blessed the Americans came in..not anti brit just telling the truth
10 minutes of content that takes 45 minutes
Thanks
Baloney. Rommel and Patton never actually met on the battlefield even once during the entire war. Rommel was hospitalized with hepatitis (and numerous other bugs picked up in the desert) and in Germany before Patton had any encounters with the Afrika Korps; and he remained there until well after the North African campaign was over. Because Rommel's car was strafed on July 17th in '44 they didn't encounter each other during Operation Cobra in France either - that started on July 25th.
What's interesting is General George S Patton IV and Stuttgart mayor Manfred Rommel who share a common birthday of December 24th were fast friends and often their families vacationed and spent holidays together, especially Christmas.
this guys where Brave, courage and honor for all of you!!!!!!!!
As wars go it was one of the best. Especially if you were not there.
That first American General should have been court martialed for his incompetence.
Never heard a person saying war is best. Are u mad?
Vacillating until he had enough equipment to win. For proof of Pattons brilliance, he took his exhausted frozen troops and relieved the 101st Airborne at Bastogne. Ninety miles in 48 hours!! Clearly no General had the tactical and motivational skills that George Patton possessed. An unbeatable combination in Africa and Europe.
You confuse the movie with the facts. The shambles of the Lorraine was the Patton of history.
Not in the slightest, I would suggest you look at the timeline from when he was ORDERED to do so (and objected) and when they broke through the very thin crust a day after Bastogne had been resupplied by Air (26 Dec) Far from 48 hours and 90% of the distance was through his own lines. Between Him and Bastogne were Infantry of a Volksgrenadier Division with little Armour. Sadly the Farago Bio, the US Press and the Movie has elevated this to Winning the Bulge thus stealing the glory that is rightfully 1 and 9th US Armies.
The Only problem is Patton never faced Patton as he had gone home after being driven back 2500 miles from Alamein by Montgomery and defeated in 5 set piece battles along the way
45 minutes run time for 15 minutes of content. Also, at what point were Patton and Rommel in a showdown? This is made for TV but shown on TH-cam.
Rommel Erwin was a great military commander.
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@@esavaratubuli6887 excuse me sir , my judgment not on the base of this video, when you study military warfare then you will know very well How to defeat a Large Force with small Force, then in 20th centuray brighten name
FM Rommel Erwin.
His major victories were in Africa when troop numbers favored him
Other than that not much.
Rommel Africa corps was defeated by Monty's 8th Army
It was Monty and the 8th Army that defeated Rommel and Hollywood has never forgiven him for that.
That's right. Monty beat him three times. He was a greedy hog and wouldn't let Patton have any of his victories. Patton was furious he couldn't have a major win so Patton stormed off and started slapping everyone around.
and tons and tons of USA made supplies,,,
@@jimmyhaley727 - So the USA spent the first 2 years of *WORLD* War 2 (and the first 3 years of *WORLD* War 1) profiteering from arms sales, charging your 'allies' retail. Well done!