John F. Kennedy Jr. Case Analysis | Why Did JFK Jr. Crash His Aircraft? | Dangers of Quasi-Royalty
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- This video answers the questions: Can I analyze the fatal flight of John Kennedy Jr.? How did his personality contribute to the crash that claimed his life?
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It's never emphasized that his mother-in-law and father-in-law lost 2 children that day. I always think of them when I hear this story.
The lesson is: Don’t marry a 2nd generation rich/powerful/famous. As they didn’t earn it by their IQ, ability or effort, therefore There can be big gaps between what they think they can do and what they are capable.
Yes. This. This would GUT me.
I think jfk jr had ADD and he did not do well in school people in school described him as scattered. Usually with untreated ADD they tend to be impulsive and lead to poor chooses. I think to fly that late in the evening was a poor choice cost him and his crew lives.
@@heidiford4451 I agree it sounds like he had it for sure. I've got it and Dr G describing some of those attributes I was going ding, ding, ding!!! Sounds like there were character issues too, but I think you're very astute there.
@@sharonmorine5407 and Ted got pretty busted up in a plane crash.
Thank you for not glamorizing or sugar-coating the Kennedy family behaviors
"He did not recognize or respect his own incompetence..." Ouch!
A flight instructor explained it this way: Engineers make good pilots because they understand and respect design limitations and the laws of physics. Doctors, lawyers, and politicians tend to be less safe in the cockpit because they feel a sense of entitlement. Rules are for others, not for me. They become accustomed to breaking rules and getting away with it.
@@vernonfrance2974 NTSB report said it was spatial disorientation, basically flying VFR in instrument conditions. Horizon obscured by haze. The report also said he was not rated for instrument-only flight. If you disagree with the report, take it up with NTSB. Smithsonian channel "Air Disasters" made an episode about this flight and they covered the report in detail.
I remember flight training. One of the lessons is where they block your view of the windshield and force you to fly on instruments. The purpose is to stop relying on visual cues if you accidentally fly into instrument conditions and lose sight of the horizon. Bad things happen in low visibility if you don't watch the instruments.
An average private pilot with ordinary training has a good chance of surviving that flight. It's not that hard to check the altimeter, VSI, and attitude indicator, all of which were providing vital information.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am a doctor and have profound respect for the laws of Physics and dangerous equipment.
I can't help but be reminded of Alec Baldwin after reading your excellent comment.
@@historylover2 You may very well be respectful and conscientious about rules and physics. However, in the aviation community, Doctors are notorious for crashing airplanes, usually with fatalities. There are probably several contributing factors….time constraints, money to buy faster, more complex aircraft, ego conditioning from a career of making life and death recommendations/decisions.
@@raycoleman3183
Well said! Bravo for the doctor that states his way of doing things but unfortunately many of his colleagues are a dangerous problem. We have a number of doctors in our family who I have tremendous respect for but unfortunately we don’t live near them.
“He missed out on the benefit of being told no”. Excellent observation for those raised with privilege. Failure is an excellent teacher if one lets it be.
IF one survives the lesson lol
Twas his ego that killed him and his companions. The ego is very dangerous.
This is a wildly uninformed piece of revisited history. And this man is not alive to defend himself. John was instrument qualified for the specific aircraft he was operating the night he crashed. He was serious in his approach towards flying and as how to operate it safely. He never flew without an instructor as he was working towards his pilot's license and needed to log in hours with one. When or if he ever decided to run for public office he would have won based on his casting couch looks and the Kennedy mystique alone. I would recommend John Hankey's John Kennedy Jr. Assassination on TH-cam if you can find it. I pose the question as to why The Pentagon ceased complete control of the investigation almost immediately. The fact that John never served a day in the military or had any association with it should speak volumes in of itself.
it is sickening that Carolyn and her sister lost their lives because of the arrogance and careless disregard by John Jr
@@marian9410 Don't say that, we don't know what his life was like at the time.
Many years ago, I had a Boy friend who came from a very wealthy background and did his pilot's license for helicopters on the side. He always wanted me to fly with him, but as a flight attendant, safety was very important to me and I told him I would only fly with professional pilots. As you can imagine, the relationship didn't last long.
Lol....I hear you! Same here with one bf with a pilots license. I'd made up my mind early on that if he ever asked to take me up it would be a flat-out 'No' on my part.
I would have never gotten in the place with a bf or John John 😳
Probably for the best.
You have a right to look out for you safety good on yoy
Smart woman
15:38. F. Scott Fitzgerald "They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made."
Quote from The Great Gatsby
I have watched this video twice. We want to believe very very badly that the wealthy will help us out of our difficulties because they have the money and money is power. They either don't or won't.
Zelda Fitzgerald wrote most of that novel, and her husband sadly plagiarized it. So loyal lol
@@alienvomitsex Interesting! ✨🌸✨
Reminds me of the Eagles “Hotel California.”
WOW!
If I died driving at night, speeding in the rain, without my glasses on, people would say I was stupid, but when it happens to a Kennedy it's tragedy
I think the tragedy is he killed two other people while using poor judgment.
Omg yes. Ridiculous
I so agree
I think when people say it is a tragedy, they are referring to the loss of what was expected, by some, to be his potential impact on the future of society/country, just because he was a Kennedy. I don't hold that view so no attacks please. For the rest of us, our loss wouldn't be considered impactful for anyone other than our loved ones or those who died with us, so yes our actions, in a similar circumstance, would be just considered stupid.
jfk jr had ADD--he should never have been allowed to get a pilot s licence
As a retired career aviator, I must say your videos that touch on aviation related stories are well analyzed compared to the gibberish from mainstream media.
Well than u must know that it was murder.
One pilot write an extensive story explaining in detail how it was not an accident.
Most dumb dumbs even in aviation say it was an accident due to some factors but it wasn't.
The airplane wouldn't fall the way it did if it was an accident.
It was high - level murder.
Men like him didn't need much training to begin with. He had natural intelligence and was a real man.
@@Adriana-vp1rm
You’re saying the plane was rigged or it was double murder/suicide?
@@isabelperez9607 First.
@@Adriana-vp1rm
Why would someone want to kill them?
@@isabelperez9607 Easy.
U need to study about the sacrifices and Freemasons.
They killed him because he wanted to be the next president.
I remember being with my dad in our Saratoga and he had picked me up in college at the University of Arkansas for Christmas and we were flying into Ithaca, New York. A blizzard came up. It had gotten dark. It was unexpected but severe. The Ithaca airport closed. The Binghamton airport closed. We had to fly into Elmira. As we were landing Daddy kept saying, "Kelly tell me when you see the runway lights." I strained and strained but no lights. That is how bad the visibility was that night. And then we landed right on the runway,. If he hadn't have had an instrument license to guide him in we would have been dead I am sure. JFK Jr.s story is a tragedy but totally preventable. I always have felt so bad for his wife's parents losing BOTH daughters in the same incident.
I'm glad y'all didn't crash. Your dad did a great job Kelly. God bless.
Entitlement, ego, incapable of handling the. Plane led to disaster…. Tragic & painful 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Sad - maybe risk taking even had underlying self destructive elements. 😢
@@karlyoung5089 Flying at night even in good weather is really not safe without an instrument rating. My dad was a great pilot. I was blessed to be able to fly with him during my childhood!
@@sweetesthawaiianprincess8086 I think you are spot on. JFK Jr. was definitely a risk taker and most likely an "adrenaline junkie" looking at other aspects of his life. Wasn't he also on painkillers for a broken ankle at the time of the crash? So tragic.
My husband had trained towards being a commercial pilot before changing course to buy a business. I was so upset about the tragedy and started parroting the excuses for John Jr as he walked in the door after work. My husband listened and then gritted his teeth and took a breathe and I could tell he was mad about the situation. He said, "It was 100% his fault. Those two girls would be alive if not for him."
Really good analysis. I'm a private pilot who flew a T tailed 300 hp turbo Lance which was the six place forerunner to the Piper Saratoga in which JFK Jr was killed. All he had to do was engage the auto pilot as you said. If it was inoperable shame on him. I met the guy from Martha's Vineyard who taught him to wind surf and he basically said what you did that he was a clutz and incompetent at it. Also I read the NTSB report on the crash and there was ground fog along the coast which may have contributed to his fatal mistake of opting to fly over water. Like all airplane accidents this was a classical case of a whole series of bad decisions. Again excellent analysis.
Did the fact that they were all found with seatbelts on indicate that they were prepared for a crash landing, and hence must have been terrified? They didn't't seem to be the type to wear them for the whole flight.
@@Bearwithme560 Hi Bearwithme, the pilot(s) at the control needs to have his seat belt on at all times - passengers required seat belts on taxiing, take-offs and landings otherwise it is optional (en-route) but highly recommended. Ciao, L
@@lancelot1953 Grazie. It sounds to me he told his passengers to buckle up - faint hope. I doubt a guy who eschews an offer to fly with him and his broken leg would be wearing his belt.
@@Bearwithme560 Sure. No doubt they would release the seatbelt to wander about the cabin, up and down the aisle, and getting snacks....
Sad that this tiny plane didn't have an aisle, or flight attendants, or snacks, or even a lavatory.
Bullshit. What in the fuk do you know about it. Somebody said he was a klutz. What do they say about you behind your back? That you’re a ‘know it all’ ass who makes value judgements without the facts. I’ve studied enough of this case (I’m type rated in b-737 200) to say that there’s just not enough info to definitively say what happened. Even the NTSB report got lots of holes. Maybe…possibly- whatever. And then you come along like some half-assed psychiatrist and start slinging shit. It’s the same trope that occurred after his father was killed. He was a woman-izing communist. They all deserved it. Right?!
In my early years as a flight instructor I had a couple of wealthy students that bought complex airplanes too early in their flight training. One was quite offended when I told him he needed to stick with the C-172 for a while. He decided to get a different instructor. A year and a half later he traded his Bonanza for a Baron and crashed it flying VMC into IFR conditions, scud running right until he flew into power lines 70 ft. above the ground. He lived but was badly injured. I moved on to an airline career and never flew light planes at night or in questionable weather again. My dad always hammered into my head night VFR flying is still instrument flying, no matter the visibility. Great analogy Dr. Grande. John Jr. was never told no.
Completely agree! I'm a C172 owner/pilot, there were all the factors in a fail-chain why that flight should not have occured in that circumstance. He could/should have waited until the next morning, or taken the CFI with him. I used to love to fly at night, it's often so serene and beautiful, but, in an emergency, when you have to land, what exactly is underneath you? I'm just a fair weather, daytime VFR pilot, have to have had plenty of rest, feel good, etc...Or, no-go, nothing is that urgent.
@@ph5915 People with your judgement are the positive side of General Aviation.
@ Kevin 747. Because of John’s status and prominence, everyone was afraid to contradict him, even if it was for his own good.
@@DH-ve5bl very sad!
Right on! Completely agree!
Thank you for not sugar coating this as the media had out of being terrified of backlash.
Where, exactly, do you think Dr. G. got his information?
….I BELIEVE THAT THE PASSING OF ‘ TIME ‘ ALLOWS
HOT TOPICS TO COOL DOWN….🙄‼️
@@OnePost909probably from a variety of sources, but primarily from the NTSB investigative report. Also, Dr Grande displays, at minimum, a facility with aviation equipment and terminology, and possibly has some aviation experience in his life.
@@raycoleman3183 I got all my information on the basic cause of the crash from media sources I trust, and every one of them correctly and objectively described what happened. I found media sources that delved into the psychological backdrop to the incident. I guess maybe it depends on one's ability to find decent media sources. There's wheat and chaff in every field of endeavor: media, healthcare, teaching, entertainment, street cleaning, TH-cam comments sections.
Wow this story scared me so much. I can only imagine the terror of those two girls
My guess and hope is that they had no idea of the plane's path and orientation. But there was that radio call.
@@jmevb60 they all knew they were going to crash. It would've been only moments, but they knew they were about to die. Especially the Bessette sisters. They would've picked up on johns energy, and that he was now out of his depth. And there was nothing they could do about it. The fact he could only fly his plane by VFR, meant he took the risk of all onboard, when he knew he wouldn't make it to his destination before the horizon had disappeared.
I doubt the passengers had any idea they were about to crash, unless John admitted the plane was out of his control. Based on Dr. Grande's analysis, John was unlikely to have made this admission, because he had a history of not recognizing his own incompetence. He also may have been unaware that the plane was out of control. Typically, when a pilot enters a "death spiral" due to lack of visual input s/he is not aware of the danger.
It's horrible to relive this. I felt so stricken by the whole thing.
@@morganminpin they knew that the plane was going to crash because it entered the graveyard spiral. Once they entered that spiral, they knew it was crashing. The entire plane was shaking, and it was at high speed. Not sure how that doesn't make someone realise they were about to die? It was 3mins of panic .. its sad, but true.
This is one of the most level headed and fair analyses of an air disaster that I have ever heard. Your comments on the individual and the male family members is right on target.
It's a shame, especially learning a flight instructor volunteered to help and was turned down.
Wonder if JFK Jr. had one of those awful life-flashing-before-one's-eyes thoughts that "damn, I should've taken the instructor up on that offer" as it became clear that the plane was going down.
@@kingayy9267 So scary!
Terminal VelocityRaptor it doesn't sound like he was much of a comfort to the people in the aircraft . If possibly his last words were "we're not gonna make it."
that is what the flight instructor said he said.. after the fact
@ Terminal Velocity Raptor. According to Dr. Grande’s report, he had no idea anything was wrong until he hit the water and all three of them died instantly from the trauma.
My wonderful uncle Mike, USAF WW2, then PanAm Captain, complained bitterly flight schools were too easy going on rich kids, their main source of income. Many lesser knowns than JFKJr.
met a similar fate. He believed ALL pilots should be tested equally; PiperCub or 747, for flying skills & knowledge of their particular aircraft. Then tested again for change of aircraft.
It sounds like flight schools are at least partially to blame for these types of tragedies. Hopefully many of these flight schools have been exposed and prosecuted for their irresponsible practices.
The media hounded JFK Jr.. every chance they could get he was so handsome and that was one of the reasons,. Maybe if he was ugly they would have left them alone. I'm just glad his mother wasn't alive to witness the tragedy. She had enough🇺🇸
@@jeanpalumbo3411 Jackie I had read never wanted him to fly his plane!
I agree with Joanne Murdock. Jackie said NO to John taking flight lessons. She made him promise not to fly. Perhaps she was the only person to ever tell him no & he respected that, and her. Everybody loved John - much friendlier than his sister.
@@wendylee9779 I still say the airport was responsible for allowing him to get in that plane, they knew what he was capable of they should have taken the keys away.
Great insight, as always. Sadly, "he didn't have the priviledge of having someone in his life to tell him no".
His mom did😢
My father was a plane mecanic, as well as a pilot. He knew those planes like the back of his hand. He would get so upset when he found out people were negligent with flying. He had seen too many people crashed and died due to irresponsible decisions.
In my very first flight lesson for my instrument rating, my instructor had me close my eyes and try to fly the plane based solely on "feel." I made small adjustments thinking I was keeping the aircraft straight and level. After about 20 seconds of this, my instructor had me open my eyes only to see that we were in a steep banked drive. When my eyes were closed the plane "felt" like it was level, although I had to make increasing more frequent adjustments to make it seem so. That 20 seconds stayed with me for the rest of my aviation career. VFR flying at night, especially near the ocean which has zero horizon at night, can be incredibly dangerous for low-experience pilots. I've always been amazed that night flying is allowed without an instrument rating, because it's so easy to get behind the airplane. RIP.
@Phil Messenger I think Nelson already understands and does that and that wasn't him asking for unsolicited ''advice'' but corroboration of Dr Grande's conclusions.
he should still be able to see his instruments
One thing I had read about JFK Jr. is that in college he was involved in theater (and did very well), developed a love of acting and wanted to pursue it more seriously, but was discouraged by his mother as something that was not distinguished enough (my words) for someone of his background, or something like that. Maybe if people had just allowed him to be who he really wanted to be he would have done better. I don't know if it would have quelled the desire for risk taking behavior that he had, some people are just like that or maybe it was just something he inherited from his family, but perhaps it would have toned it down enough for him to grow older when some of those urges may have naturally subsided a little.
He wanted 2 marry Darryl Hannah and his mother disapproved of that.He should have been allowed 2 be himself.
exactly john recognizes his strength and weakness. he knows that he's not academically intelligent so he goes into performing art because he recognizes his good look and has the passion for it. too bad that he listened to his mother. he would have made a good career out of being an actor. with his good look passion for acting and his family fame. it will be no time before he becomes a successful actor and make really good living out of it.
I so agree with your point here. He seemed to have an easy time dealing with press and paparazzi, and being a non-linear thinker is probably not a big problem for a performer. (Whereas in law, or publishing, it certainly is!) It's too bad he was told what to do, and expected to play the part of a "dignified" royal family member. In being an actor, he could've done what he loved, maybe married the person he really loved. Being told "You should go to law school and then become a D.A. (?!) is really pushing a square peg into a round hole.
@@lindastraub7542 supposedly jackie threatened to disinherit him if he kept pursuing the acting thing.
Oh wow I didn't know that. That's so sad. Had Jackie let him pursue his passion he would probably still be alive. I have no doubt he would have made it in Hollywood with his good looks, charisma and family fame. He'd would have been in his early 60s by now. He would have probably been a father and Grandfather too.
Thank you, sir. I learned a lot from your detailed factual analysis. I’m a British subject who has also lived in the US. There seems to be a similarity between Kennedy and Prince Harry on some levels. The loss of a much loved parent early in life has always left unhealed scars. Privilege can be a hindrance in finding a life purpose. So many opportunities, choices and the fear of failure which can disable the ability to learn resilience and work through setbacks. Sad to see that in this case it took the life of two other trusting people. What a dreadful memory for the sisters family, can’t imagine anything more devastating for those parents.
Prince Harry is bad behavior
JFK Jr was lawyer -so he was intelligent enough to complete law studies and to pass a New York State bar examination
@@tittomars1517 you are of course right. The whole Kennedy family learned resilience from earliest childhood with the challenges faced. JFK was a good example. My comparison seems a poor example on reflection. We’ll never know what happened in the air, but two lovely young daughters were also lost, devastating all round…..
Good analogy between 'The Princes'
I love William and Harry. I adored their mother and I will always be interested and hope their lives are fulfilling. John Junior said himself that he didn’t remember much about his father sadly as he was so very young when he died. I’m sure he felt the loss of a father, but Harry was much older when his mother died and he was the clinging child always by her side.
In some ways JFK Jr. sounds a lot like Harry. Impulsive, reckless, unrealistic estimation of his ability, non-linear thinker, tunes out advice, family privilege insulates him from reality, shifts blame and responsibility, unstable marital relationship, makes tragic mistakes.
I worked with 2 guys that had pilot’s licenses. One had bought a small plane and flew it for years. The other belonged to a flying club and used their plane. Although they were great coworkers, I wouldn’t fly with either one of them. I watched them make mistakes during the workday and didn’t want to trust them in an emergency. My motto was , If you aren’t a pro, then I won’t go!
Exactly! I’ll never fly with an amateur pilot. Would you have an amateur surgeon operate on you?
My father has had his pilot’s license since 1995, and I won’t even fly with him solo. If we are with his best friend (who has been flying even longer, flies larger planes regularly and regularly does angel flights) and they take turns in the left seat/who copilots…that’s a different story.
I’m not a pilot, but know quite a bit about aviation. You see these cases where a pilot with 200 hours wipes out his whole family. If I were flying I’d definitely have a rule of not flying my kids or family until I had 1000 hours, and I’m not so sure even then.
I went to college with a spoiled rich kid and went up with him in his plane once. Watching him pilot the plane scared the crap out of me... what was I thinking? Never again.
Well done, trusting to your own judgment, possibly at the risk of your personal friendships.
Dr. Grande, exceptional discourse on this topic- thank you. As a former flight attendant I follow aviation channels and like to do a deep dive into these topics. There were some other troubling elements here, not one of flight school trainers considered him to be an adequate pilot. The man he bought the plane from was so concerned, he also offered to fly with John. One of the reasons for the late departure, was that his wife was shopping in NYC. Also, she was absolutely terrified of flying. The list goes on and on. Recently, there has been a significant uptick in small plane crashes. Just because you can afford it, doesn't mean you should fly it. Thanks again, have a happy and healthy New Year.
So why was he given his license? Don't flight school trainers have any say in passing or not?
@@theresalero7039 Big difference between passing a supervised test and actually being qualified and competent under "real conditions" where an emergency event might arise. Look how many holders of drivers licence's crash cars on a daily basis.
John lacked common sense, especially in the air. There's a revealing anecdote in the memoir "American Son" by an editor on JFK Jr's magazine "George" - John offered a female junior staffer a plane ride from Cape Cod to the small airport in New Jersey where he kept his plane (and presumably had flown into multiple times previously). Over NJ, he couldn't figure out where the runway was. The completely inexperienced woman with him pointed out a double row of blue lights, but John assumed she was wrong. Moments later an air traffic controller called him and said he'd just passed the runway (the woman had been right).
@@theresalero7039 I don't know anything about flying but I am a Dive Master and I can't tell you how much people overestimate their abilities just bc they had a license handed to them. I worked in Bali/Tulamben at the USAT Liberty Ship wreck dive side for a couple of seasons. It's a relatively easy dive side, yet the nose of the ship is located at 13 while the back is located at 100 feet (which is not an adequate depth for beginners needles to say that beginners shouldn't enter a wreck).
@@craigfinnegan8534 The thing I've always noted -- at least about commercial pilots -- is the constant attention to detail. There is always the check list and constant communication with ATC. On the wiki page for the JFK, Jr. crash was this notation:
"Incorrect radio frequencies: While the NTSB examined the wreckage, they soon discovered that both of Kennedy's radios had incorrect frequencies selected. Kennedy had accidentally selected 127.25 for Martha Vineyard's ATIS instead of 126.25; likewise, he selected 135.25 for Essex County ATIS but it should have been 135.5. The NTSB declined to comment on the contribution this factor had in the crash, if any.[1]"
Almost brought down a commercial airliner as well. THAT is beyond reckless.
As a 75 year old experienced at life and living, your analysis seems very accurate.
The part where he says JFKs poor leadership caused the death of two sailors was not accurate tho
A few clarifications that might help here... I started flying out of the New York - CT - Massachusetts area in 1990. I flew the Skylane, Archer, and the Saratoga back then abd the Saratoga was very similar in power and handling to the Skylane. The only difference might be the retractable landing gear of the Piper. The spacial disorientation was indeed the issue. I flew often from Danbury CT & Farmingdale to Martha's Vinyard a0nd Nantucket islands. He lost visual reference likely do to the hazy conditions that were always present over Long Island Sound. At sone pount the haze would be so heavy it was effectively like being in the clouds with no reference. His erratic altitude and speed tracks were due to him pulling up aggressively on the yoke when he realized he couldn't see anything (thinking altitude is your friend). He stalled the aircraft at least twice and "spun" the aircraft in the end in a near vertical dive in the midst of a full power-on stall. Hence the 4,000+ foot per minute dive. All he had to do to recover was pull the throttle back to idle, take his hands off the yoke, and apply full opposite rudder to the spin. With his damaged foot, this might not have been easy. Thanks as usual for your great analysis! Got some nice nuggets out of this one😊👍
Ah, but did he know which way he was spinning? And, was he too low anyway? His instinct was to pull back on the yoke to reduce his speed, which only tightened the turn he didn’t even know he was in. In a word, he was, doomed. One glance at the attitude indicator would have told him he was in a descending steep hard turn. He didn’t even know he was spinning, all he knew was that his speed was increasing and he was losing altitude. He should have kept his eyes glued to the attitude indicator and make gentle inputs, only reverting his attention to the radio after the turn was complete. Let’s not forget, he probably had two hysterical women screaming at him during the whole episode. A cascade of preventable events culminating in death and disfigurement of three beautiful young people. Sad, just sad.
@@prant8998 So true! I'm certain it was a terror filled trip all the way down and into the ocean. Can't imagine what was going through their heads. I was still a relatively low time pilot with less than 300 hours when JFK Jr went down, but I used to read Katz's NTSB Reporter and the "Never Again" articles religiously back then as to attempt NOT to repeat the mistakes of others.
Excellent analysis, thank you for explaining this situation in terms a Layman can understand
wow thanks for explaining
appreciate your input!
I flew professionally for almost 40 years, 8 in the Air Force as an Instructor and Aircraft Commander and the rest at a major airline. Your analysis is pretty much spot on. Well done!
As a professional pilot, do you think the autopilot might have cut out on occasions due to him not following check-lists? Isn't setting proper trim important to autopilots? I love flight simming, so this is just a guess.
How many water geysers have you seen ?
Ever see one take down a plane ?
I know a pilot who said he didn't have the training to fly in those conditions
The best grande very good information 👏
@@Jay_Lo Thanks! I never got to fly in Desert Storm, but I did do Desert Shield missions.
My dad flew privately. He taught us that there are strict rules about when you should not fly. It sounds like Jr. did not do the pre flight checks. Pilots always look up the radio frequencies for the local airports. Maybe he skipped that step as well. P.S. I passed the California bar at the first attempt when I was 22.
Congratulations on passing the California Bar. I hear it's a tough one too.
May hv put in a wrong digit for frequency & didnt double check.
@@katiesimpson8517and today it's probably an exercise in wokeness
His mother knew him well- that's why Jackie got John to promise that he would not fly. She knew by Instinct that he would get himself into trouble . John was extremely prideful. He was a strange kid as well. I v seen a lot of videos with him and his parents. He seemed distant around everyone at times.
When this happened, I worked with a woman who just earned her commercial pilot's license. She explained that for him to be flying in the craft he was in, with the instruments he had, flying with his flight-hours, over open water, at night, was proof he had more money than sense.
Spoiled, good-looking and he knew it. Oh well.
Wow! Harsh, but very wise. 🙏🏾
More money then cents...
It makes more sense when you believe it's all lies.
John is the mirror of two worlds ..
Jackie and Caroline his sister .
Jackie and Caroline his lover.
Hey , fuck you ..
Jaqueline and Jackie...
Mom and Step mom.
Caroline and carolyne ,
Sis and lover ?
John with one set of Jackie and Carol.
John with another set of Jackie and Carol .
The prince and the mermaid.
The prince and the mirror of his family .
The prince and the wizard of Oz.
C s Lewis died Nov 22 63.
The book is called " the Kennedy Oz enigmas ".
It's about the wizard of Oz killing Lincoln and mckinnley and Kennedy .
Yes, and yet the company that allowed him are allowed to walk free. Anybody know if there were charges pressed against the responsible company?
@@hakbug you people may know flying ..you may know laws ....but you know beans about storms.
John is the mirror between Jaqueline and Jackie ./ Caroline and Carolyne.
Jackie and Caroline and John and Carolyne and Jaqueline.
Having the ability to 'know what you don't know' is one the greatest gifts a person can have. It is somewhat acceptable for the young to not possess this ability and is called being 'young and naive'. However, many don't ever seem to grow out of it. JFK Jr. flew into IFR conditions at night, a situation he wasn't trained for. He was old enough to know better.
Not to mention taking off without a functioning Auto-pilot -- or failing to use if it was functioning. Judgement failure again......As Dr. Grande brought out he was under great stress at the time, including marital, plus his magazine business failure. But he could always run for political office. He contemplated a NY senatorial seat. And who benefited from his demise? HRC.
Well said! Having a teen in the house, it’s a hard lesson to get into his head. That it’s okay not to know things, it’s okay to not know the answer. And it’s okay to ask questions, even if you feel like the question is silly.
As the Kennedy heir, he lived his entire adult life being placed in situations that were beyond him. He barely passed the bar on his third try. He wasn't any good at running even a relatively simple business. He didn't have the aptitude for politics or government. All he ever knew of adulthood was of faking his way through things for which he was not qualified. He didn't know another way to be. This is just one more, and his final, example.
@ Lucy Jane 12. Had he been born to an unknown, average family he might have been better off. Too much was expected of him.
@@HeatherHolt This guy was an adult grown rich man, not a teen by any stretch of the imagination.
His mother never wanted him to fly. After her passing, he started taking flying lessons. Jackie knew her son well.
She overprotected her kids, making them weak.
Wow, I had never heard that members of this family caused the deaths of at least 5 others on differing occasions. You never hear that! All I have ever heard is the "tragic hero" storyline of JFK and his family. Thank you Dr. Grande for telling both sides.
@ Whol3Not...I grew up in the 'Kennedy Dynasty' years of the 1960's - 1980's-ish when the majority of the Kennedy Family mischief was being played out on the world stage. We knew about the deaths, etc., it was common knowledge and openly talked about, as it seemed that for many, association with the family or a family member would result in death or some sort of misery. It was uncanny and was commonly referred to as the 'Kennedy Curse'.
@@L.Fontein7 Camelot
Ted Kennedy drove off a bridge and saved himself but his young female passenger was left in the car and succumbed to drowning.The accident wasn't reported until the next morning. His story of being in shock and too traumatized to tell anyone was very questionable. I grew up in a family of staunch Democrats and idolized the Kennedys, but that story was too much for even a star-struck teenager like me.
@@L.Fontein7 Curse or bad karma? Or not that smart people? Princess Di was in that category. Not too smart.
@@pattiday431 He only wanted to save his ass.
One of my old flight instructors used to say, “There are bold pilots and there are old pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.” People watch movies like Top Gun and think they can be jockstrap clowns in a cockpit. That isn’t how it works. Safety is important, especially with passengers.
Lol true
Did your flight instructor make that up himself?? Man, a man of wisdom!!
It's an old old saying...and it's true.
...which reminds me of another - "The definition of a good pilot is one who has the same number of successful landings as take offs" 😉
That pic of JFK Jr @1:18 saluting his dads passing body is still one of the most tragic photos i've ever seen.
Please address why there are a bunch of people who think that he is still alive. It’s just so crazy
Yes I too have heard stories that he is actually alive and hiding. I don’t believe it. Bad things just happen in the Kennedy family.
Conspiracy theorist
It has been reported that the reason Caroline was late to go to the airport that evening was that she wanted to have the perfect manicure and she would not even answer to her husband when he kept calling her at the parlour…. Can you imagine the atmosphere in the cockpit between the two of them that fateful night?
Yes Carolyn kept having a pedicure redone with the right color. But her sister worked late so they still would have been late. Too bad Lauren talked Carolyn into going a couple of days before - if not John would have left earlier as he planned and they’d all be alive. John still shouldn’t have gone up though. Carolyn was fiery but I doubt Carolyn would have been arguing with him in the cockpit - she knew how distracted he was normally. I was surprised she went as she didn’t like flying with him without an instructor.
I read he was reluctant but she insisted that he fly, partly because her sister needed a lift, too. Should have just driven. Someone I knew went to Brown with him. She said he was a nice guy but really not very bright.
She had the best manicure at the bottom of the ocean...
I remember thinking at the time that they might have had a screaming argument in the plane and he deliberately crashed the plane but we will never know so Dr Grandes analysis appears to be the most plausible.
Whenever an aviation tragedy hit the news, my late WWII pilot dad would say, "when you run into a problem the first thing you must do is to remember to fly the plane".
Thanks for that brutally honest analysis of JFK Jr’s fatal crash. I distinctly remember the intense media coverage it generated, but don’t recall having all the detailed mistakes laid out so clearly. His refusal for assistance from the flight instructor, not using auto-pilot (assuming it was functional), flying at night, veering out over open water away from landmarks, not filing a flight plan or communicating with ground towers-and on and on-all speak to his lack of sound judgement and inexperience. I find it astonishing that he flew too close to a commercial airline to the point that the crew was alarmed. One would think that this action alone would have gotten him grounded for awhile. This was a tragic and totally avoidable situation caused by hubris.
Who went and gave him a license in the first place? What a huge mistake.
The Kennedys have always been over the top in their arrogance, from what I understand his own father had no business having his PT boat where it was in 1942, August 2nd when it was rammed by that Japanese destroyer, against orders he was out there trying to make a name for himself and his father's influence is what saved him from a court-martial.
This is Jennifer Sinclair. When I am in a questionable situation, I will ask a more expert person "What would you do if you were me?" And do that. I have done that for driving in bad weather, estimating time, logistical issues, dental and medical issues. It takes my own judgement "out of the equation".
Totally avoidable, but he was a risk taker, prideful and not a sound thinker. I believe the Besset family got a good bit of money.
@@frankpaya690 Joseph Kennedy was an arrogant man s as bd believed he could buy his way in and out of anything, and did pretty much.
I remember when this happened, my friend and I were working on writing a Psych 101 study manual during grad school. We had the TV on, and, were up most of the night…it came on the news that JFK Jr was lost in a plane crash. We both were so upset. My friend grew up in NYC and would actually see him from time to time jogging through Central Park. It was so sad what happened, a very unnecessary tragedy, like so many of the Kennedys.
I was always a avid John fan and I remember my husband calling me at my job that Saturday morning about his disappearance. I felt sick, just sick and sad.
I don't like that you said that he wasn't smart. Anyone that can pass the Law exams or pass a test to be a pilot is not a dumb person. From what I understand, he did not want to become a lawyer, he wanted to be an actor but his mother forced him to go to Law School instead of honoring and supporting him as an artist. I find that very disrespectful and tragic. He may not have thought like an engineer but I believe that he was brilliant in his own way. He may have had poor judgement or been distracted but he wasn't stupid. 🙏
That rubbed me the wrong way, too.
Yes, apparently he wanted to be an actor. Also, many people fail the bar at least once before passing. He was rumored to have ADD. Lastly, his mother didn't want him getting a pilot's license but got hiIm a detached cockpit to play in. That could only increase his desire.
Hubris comes to mind.
Google it.
I know little about the Kennedys, but I do know that for any form of emotionally troubled background, a career in theatre would be the most therapeutic course possible. The sort of snobbery which caused the poor guy's mother to dissuade him from fulfilling his natural inclination is to be utterly deplored.
Yes. He would probably succeed, and be happy
I believe he was a Sagittarius and so , yes,
He may have been a very good entertainer.
I agree.
I get so anxious when I hear the story of JFK Jr, his wife and her sister's death because they knew that they were in trouble, it must have been horrible.
If CBK already had a fear of flying, she was probably hysterical, and that probably didn't help JJ concentrate!
Why no actual bodies? I have doubts that John and his wife's bodies were cremated...
@@mariabykofsky4502, Catholics are (still) generally anti-cremation, but maybe the instructions were in their wills, and there was nothing the Kennedys could do about it? At any rate, they wouldn't have been in any fit state for a public viewing... But I assume you're suggesting they're not really dead.
Funny, I was watching the Seinfeld episode that mentioned him a few days ago and was majorly triggered.
@@mariabykofsky4502 The bodies were recovered.
Everytime I hear about this story, I don't think about John Kennedy Jr. I always think about the Bessette Family. I can't imagine losing both of my children at the same time. BTW: Excellent video Dr. Grande. Thank you for putting the emphasis on John's reckless behaviour.
I was thinking about the two girls in back, frightened to tears, screaming, wind noise tearing past, waiting & knowing what's going to happen. Terrible.
Very interesting analysis....and spot on. Thank you!
What 😯 are you fockin kidding me
@@sheilac1845 Which focker Renette? There's several fockers here.
Mary J. Dickenson: Very well put! Short & 2 the point. It was an excellent video.
John was severely ADHD. It’s reported that his father had it as well. I believe that Johns inability to focus contributed, being that learning to fly is labor intensive and requires the ability to process many moving parts, such as flight plan, navigation, communicating with with air traffic, the ability to read it his navigation instruments, being easily distracted this is not the ideal hobby for those who have severe adhd… not saying that adhd people can’t fly, but being ADHD myself, I love flight simulators but I wouldn’t fly a plane.
Interesting perspective. Thank you 4 your honesty about your condition as, it would have impacted your ability to fly.
Ooh I didn’t know that. I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was young as well, and this brings a very interesting perspective
Such a tragedy, I always wondered why they didn't just wait to make the trip the next morning.
Driving to Massachusetts from New York would also have been a good option. It's not that far away.
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His character was almost to fulfill the tragic history of the Kennedy family. God bless Caroline. She has seen so much tragedy.
If that premise is true he fulfilled it perfectly. Which makes one wonder that perhaps he had simply resigned himself to an early death and didn't try to fight the inevitable fate of his destiny.
Their tragedy was almost totally self inflicted. The myth surrounding them needs to stop- JFK’s supposed ‘Camelot’ completely ignored the fact he was cruel and dismissive to his wife, to point of ignoring her when she lost their child. He cheated on her incessantly and was also addicted to pain meds. Had he lived no doubt his persona would have unravelled and the truth would have become painfully obvious.
oh, stop. theres no mythology.
junior flew when he shouldnt have.
the end
@@Truth1561 💯Absolutely accurate! It's actually very kind to use the word myth instead of lies. 'Camelot/Royalty'...give me a break!
Caroline is a raving entitled liberal. The Kennedys reaped what they sowed.
NO heroes there.
John Kennedy Jr. should have been allowed to live his own life, NOT what the “Kennedy’s” expected him to do.
When I was a kid, an uncle of mine owned and operated a small Cessna. He occasionally would fly to an airfield in my town to visit my mom, his sis. Sometimes he would take us up for a short flight. Even if he visited for only an hour before he flew home, he would conduct the standard pre-flight check of the aircraft and prepare flight plans.
It's sad that John, Jr wasn't as conscientious.
He was too important to comply with basic rules and besides, what could happen to him ?... He was God chosen !!. . .
Interesting that nobody seems to jnow about the fact the JFK, Jr. had done a precheck for flight before this and found something that made him walk away from the plane with an agry look caught by paparazzi and printed on a magazine. Seems no one wants to believe he did prechecks before or after that? Who's kidding who? It was speculated that time he may have found either a bomb or that his equipment was tampered with. Don't be so quick to judge when you know so little.
@@kimberlyconell7139 Don't be so quick to fall for idiotic conspiracy theories if you know so little (nothing but the hearsay and speculations). ''Angry look'' is just someone's impression or might have been taken out of the context/exaggerated. It's NOT a proof of anything. Secondly, what ''bomb''? He wasn't a political figure to be a potential target to begin with, and secondly - did you suggest that he checked, found the bomb or tampered equipment...and still flew? How does it make sense? Even if that was true (which is NOT), it's STILL reckless and plain illogical. Go watch some conspiracy channel isntead of coming here. Science and logic is not for you apparently.
@@Tiesquel He had ADHD, so the shame of letting people probably was involved here.
I’ve read his ex girlfriend Christina Haag’s book and she narrated a time when they nearly drowned in the sea after their kayak capsized at night during a holiday in Jamaica. Luckily they made it back, but he begged her not to tell his mother Jackie about it as he knew that she would have berated him for endangering their lives. They had no life jackets and underestimated the high tide. The overall impression I got about JFK Jr was that he was a man who never knew his limitations. The people I sympathise the most are Ann Messina and William Bassette who lost 2 daughters all because of an irresponsible man who chose to pilot a plane in conditions that he was not qualified for.
I really enjoyed your analysis Dr. Grande and based on the fact that he failed the Bar Exam twice probably lends credibility to John Jr.'s inability to think in a linear fashion. He was blessed with dashing good looks and if his mother would have let him live his own life he might have lived to grow old as a very successful soap opera star or movie actor.
Thank you for the Very analytical and revealing observation. I never realized he had so many troubling issues.
That's not fair at all. He was dyslexic and did incredibly well.
The Bar exam for New York is one of the more difficult Bar exams to pass. It's not a reflection on his lack of intelligence that he took the test 2 times in order to pass it. But I think it is true that he wasn't a genius on any level and maybe having a father who was very smart and had a kind of genius for politics plus an uncle who was also similarly gifted made him feel like he had to be on par with them. JFK was a bit of a dare-devil too.
@@lesleyschultz6846lyndon johnson said bobby kennedy was a snot-nosed brat living off his brother's (JFK) reputation.
Wasn't Jackie totally against him going into show business?
Thought I'd take a moment to underscore how difficult it can be to overcome spatial disorientation and how convincing the incorrect information coming from JFK Jr.'s senses might have been.
Early in instrument training I had a situation where my senses told me I was in a right bank so severe that I had to brace myself against the side of the airplane to avoid tumbling over into the right seat. I felt this, it was physical, I had to hold myself up against gravity.
The instruments in front of me, the primaries and the backups, showed no such thing. They showed straight and level, normal flight. I removed my blinders for a moment and, sure enough, the instruments were right. There was no bank, there was no force trying to topple me out of my seat, everything was fine. The physical feeling of falling over went away after maybe two or three seconds. It had been completely imaginary.
I consider myself lucky that this happened early in training. Nothing like it happened again in my training, nor in my instrument flying since then. I think it was extremely valuable to have a glimpse of how completely wrong human senses can be in this environment.
That's extremely scary!
I'm glad you were safe and have learned from that incident.
Thanks for the personal anecdote; it helps understand how severe the effect can be.
Do you have any idea what causes that?
Especially such an extreme degree of disorientation, like what you experienced.
@@kingayy9267 yes, it's caused by a limitation in the way your brain senses acceleration in the three axes of motion.
In a nutshell, little hairs in three ring canals within your inner ear, each aligned with an axis of motion (pitch/roll/yaw) sense motion of fluid within the rings as you accelerate in different directions. Your brain interprets that into what you feel as your sense of balance.
The problem is that prolonged motion around any of the axes will eventually cause the fluid in the canal to catch up with the motion of the ring, and the motion can no longer be sensed by the little hairs in the canals. Thereafter, if the motion is stopped, it may be sensed as motion in the opposite direction. If you are in a cloud and can't see a horizon at the time, your brain has nothing to relieve the confusion that ensues, and the illusions cascade on themselves.
It's also key to understand that in an aircraft, which is free to move in all three dimensions, gravity and inertia can compound on each other, cancel each other out, and are impossible to distinguish without additional information, such as flight instruments or a visual horizon.
You can search for terms like "semicircular canal," "the leans," "somatogravic illusion," and so forth for explanations from people who are better teachers than I am. :)
@@mattj65816 thank u for the explanation!!
@@swampmop my pleasure! To anyone who comes along and would like to do further digging on the subject, I recommend searching for "6 Ways Pilots Get Confused In The Clouds" (in quotes)
Spatial disorientation is such a scary concept. A pilot friend showed me how disorienting it can be if you have no visual cues to recognize the difference in orientation if there are no visual cues present. A truly frightening thought that he had absolutely no idea he was nosediving into the ocean until the moment of impact. Such a sad story of arrogance taken to the limit.
Thank you for the knowledge shared about spatial disorientation. It's a frightening situation. I don't however agree that John was arrogant to the limit. I'll reserve that judgment.
That doesn't explain why he was flying at max speed.
And horrible judgement!
I’m not a pilot but I am a certified diver, and I equate that experience to being underwater in the dark and becoming so disoriented that you have no sense of which direction leads you to air. But luckily, divers who might get disoriented can watch their bubbles and know which way to head, if they are able to calm themselves and think rationally (which isn’t as easy as it sounds when you’re in that situation).
Isn't that what happened to the pilot in the Kobe helicopter crash?
I remember that before he died, many people thought that he was somewhat bi-polar. His mother knew that his mind was all over the place and that he had a hard time concentrating on anything. It's too bad that he broke his promise to not take up flying that he made to his beloved mother.
Bi-polar or afflicted with ADHD? Sounds like you are describing the latter.
He sounds like me and I know better than to get myself into flying or ATC or things that don't jive with my issues. I've made it to my 60's but I still have issues dealing with multitasking.
Mommy knew he wasn’t smart and that gravity protection was the one thing she couldn’t purchase for him.
I would not say john was bipolar...yes his mother was resposible for shaping him as she seems very controling and wanted john to become what he was not... Msy be if she had allowing to fly he would have become a better piolot woth more training and experience...
There is nothing wrong with admitting and saying it out loud " I can't do it" ...RIP to all three
You final thoughts were so on point. As you eloquently said “his unrealistic self-confidence was deadly.” That was a powerful statement regarding this case.
Brilliant analysis as always, thank you Dr. Grande.❤️
He wasn't even on the plane.He is still alive.
@@auser6828 see here we are with this conspiracy theory
@@jesussaves7973 No, it is fact.
You're right he is alive in fact I saw him at Kroger's this morning!!! John John was asking the butcher where to find a battery charger.
@@shelleyc.2576 No sorry you are wrong. I saw him this morning in the Greek island Santorini!!!!!
I watched the Biography documentary on his life and I couldn’t help but feel incredibly sorry for him. It seemed like because of who his father was everyone wanted him to be somebody he himself wasn’t.
I agree. He should have been allowed 2 become an actor and marry Darryl Hannah as he wanted 2.
Who or what did not allow him to marry Daryl Hannah?
@@denisewhitaker5116 probably his mother
@@denisewhitaker5116 Jackie discouraged it.
He had the looks his father never had. The son in his own right was so exceptionally handsome, that created an entirely different set of expectations. Had he looked like his cousin Patrick who is ordinary in appearance for example, the expectations would have been far less.
This was so horrific when I heard it on the news back then - all those feelings come back listening to this 😢
Thank you for your balanced approach and thoughtful analysis. I’m so glad you mentioned how people overlooked the mistakes the Kennedys made that cost the lives of other people. It seems that the Kennedys were very competitive and took a great deal of risks. If I remember correctly John’s sister Carolyn was on a white water river rafting trip when she was informed of her brother’s death.
John's sister's name is Caroline.
He flew into conditions that he was not competent or had enough experience in the aircraft that he was flying. He was told by others that someone should go with him with more experience. He also had a cast or brace. More experienced pilots have had spacial disoriented and crashed. Thank you for your work 🙏
I heard the cast was replaced by a brace. Either way, he shouldn't have been flying.
He failed IM SAFE. Before he left the house. He wasn't physcally fit to fly yet flew anyway
I just found out that Lauren Bessette; Carolyn’s sister who also perished in the crash, was a twin to Lisa Bessette. It’s bad enough that Lisa lost two sisters. I can only imagine how rough it would be that one of them was a twin. 😔
I had forgotten that, but now it's coming back to me. When this incident happened, I was so shocked and saddened by it that I wrote a long sympathy letter to Caroline Kennedy, and I think I also sent one to Lisa Bessette, because, as you say, it must be awful to lose a twin sister that way.
@@irenebertoni aww, that was so kind of you. I’m sure they appreciated it. I vividly remember when we first heard their plane had dropped off radar and they were MIA. I was hoping that they would be found alive. After about 24-48 hours we all lost hope. My parents were such HUGE Kennedy supporters so I kinda grew up loving them, too. They obviously weren’t perfect but what family is? It’s just so tragic. All three of them had so much potential.
These ppl are alive. I don't understand why this guy doesn't do more research.
Patrick is alive her daughter Arrabella is alive too.Take a good look at Ms
Mcnerney she is JR and Carolyn's daughter. Ezra Watkins Cole is one of his sons.
Jackie and JFK JUST passed away. yes he was 103yrs old. Watch the Plan to Save America and listen closely to the narrators voice. I don't know
how old you are but I'm old enough to hear JR. Watch TIMBER sung
by JFK's grandchildren. If only Caroline was the sole survivor it would
just be her kids. If you want more mind blowing info get back to me.
There are 900+ ppl who are in wit pro that had me screaming with joy.
Eclectic Bohemian Yes two sisters were lost. Lisa lives a quiet life in MI. She and her family have given no interviews over the years which I respect them for
I remember this day!!! I was six months pregnant with my daughter. Had to give a patient CPR. Worked 16 hours and we were all glued to the tv in between!! What a day! 😢
To the Quik: Excellent review!
To the Point: (a) Jr. was officially cleared to fly partially disabled.
(b) The Plane Crash was due to multiple Pilot Errors!
(c) His wife & sister-in-law were victims.
Very good analysis, my stepdad who was a fighter pilot in Korea said same, JFK Jr. was a rookie pilot & should have never flown at night. Any decent pilot would have recognized this.
SK. N., totally agree with you! During flight training, I had several night flights with military pilots and learned a great deal. It probably saved my life. I trained at a military flying club where all but one CFII was a military pilot. One night flight, I'd been asked to fly with a new CFII to acquaint him with island flying at night. It was a flight I'd flown many times. We did fine until he gave me a heading I knew was wrong. My gut started screaming and I indicated to the instructor I was changing the heading because he had us flying straight into the Ko'olau mtns. After 15 minutes or so, my heading caught the distant lights of Honolulu shore line. We both breathed a sigh of relief and the instructor thanked me, saying, "my wife would've hated being such a young widow."
Lots of factors often play a role in a flight outcome. My familiarity with flying at night on basically the same flight plan was a key one. I wouldn't have ever considered flying at night without a flight instructor over unfamiliar terrain, in a strange aircraft I had not flown in at night with only a VFR rating.
There is a saying among pilots, "there are bold pilots and there are old pilots, but there are no bold, old pilots."
He was a political threat let’s not forget both his father and uncle were murdered.
Not true. Flying at night was the problem: it was flying at night in deteriorating conditions over water.
JFK jr. had logged 250 hours, I believe. While that’s far short of an ATP, it’s enough in most cases to fly at night, with certain limitations-one being a familiarity with the aircraft and its systems that is difficult to acquire with only nine hours in type.
I might also add that ATP’s with thousands of hours are killed by controlled flight into terrain. Certainly, flying at night was not optimal but in itself it was not the primary cause of this tragedy.
@@cbufffly When flying with a low-time, “rookie” CFI, with the possible exception of a novice instructor in the military, a student, as you did, should be hyper-vigilant.
@@inspiringtone2975 Yet he still died in a plane crash caused by himself and his own decision-making. It was not a terrorist attack or being shot down by an enemy. So your point is irrelevant here.
One thing I didn't hear you touch on was John's diagnosed ADHD. I don't know if he was medicated. His distractibility was his mother's stated reason of her fear of John's flying. This also affected his learning ability. I don't think John was unintelligent. He didn't want to go into law but was pressured into it by his mother. John's interest was in acting and apparently showed a natural gift in this area. His mother put her foot down on that, too. JFK was mentally brilliant, cut down in his prime. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to grow up in his shadow. Sadly, three young lives were lost.
I thought he was dyslexic.
My brother who is approaching his 66th birthday has had ADHD all his life, so I know what ms. Parr is saying. Jackie was very concerned about John & his being scattered. And he was being reckless on 7/16/99. RIP John, Carolyn & Lauren.
I agree, poor boy had to live in his father’s shadow until the very end
Killed two people...some "brilliance".
@@projektkobra2247 perhaps it was simply poor judgement. Very tragic.
Not 6 months pass without hearing about a Kennedy relative in some sort of trouble or dying, accident, suicides, or some sort of criminal activity.
Good lord, I knew JFK Jr was being incredibly reckless flying an unfamiliar aircraft in IFR with a recently broken ankle, but he couldn't follow checklists??! I'm stunned that he managed to get a licence - pilots live by checklists! Not to mention that their entire purpose is to ensure that (regardless of your experience, memory or level of distraction) you perform everything correctly... terrifying to think this man was flying out of one of the busiest airspaces in the US. Thankfully it wasn't a bigger tragedy.
Spot on analysis, Dr. Grande. The ancient Greeks had a word for this: hubris and we all know it as pride cometh before a fall. When a mortal thinks he is a god, it can never end well.
Your comment & this story remind me of the tale of Icarus.
@@benjaminhawthorne1969 Yes, that is exactly what this is! Such a rich trove of wisdom are the myths of the ancients, and the older I get, the more I understand.
His mother's request that he not learn to fly may have extended his life up to her own death. And, he may have misinterpreted this as being adequacy in being a pilot since he hadn't had issues before. All around, it was a sad loss for 3 young people.
Me too!
I 've had a lifelong fascination with the Kennedy Family legacy and the many aspects of their personalities. John Jr. was my age and we both were diagnosed with ADD. Today's segment truly brought to light some similar "rise and fall issues" of my own life which has been likely spared by the fortuitous lack in quantity of resources and pressing fame.
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I read somewhere years ago that the day of the flight Carolyn was in a department store (I think it was) and was telling the clerk about the upcoming wedding event and how J Jr would be piloting them. The clerk said she hoped they had a good time and wished them luck to which Carolyn replied, "Thanks, I'm going to need it."
Yes I read that in a book recently. I was surprised she went without an instructor - she apparently didn’t like flying with him.
Lauren Bessett was shocked at the state her sister Carolyn's marriage was in....came up with the idea for she and Carolyn to fly with John to cousin Rory's wedding.
Carolyn had originally planned not to attend the wedding and phoned Ethel Kennedy to let her know. Ethel reportedly told Carolyn that it would be all right if she didn't attend the wedding.
And then Lauren comes up with the brilliant idea to fly with John.....a novice pilot at best
And it was later discovered that John was flying without insurance.
This fact prompted Ann Freeman, Lauren and Carolyn's mother, to sue her son-in-law's estate.
Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg paid Ann Freeman around $20 million dollars.
No she would be dropped off at Martha's airport
Yes because she and john jad a terri le flight before the wedding...
If you don’t know what to get Dr Grande for Christmas, get him anything cactus shaped lol
Well said DR. G! You are not only a professional clinical psychologist but also intuitive, knowledgeable and psychic.
The John Kennedy Jr. crash is well know to general aviation pilots as an example of what not to do. The flight route he planned is popular with pilots in the area, no problem there, and the route passes several airports with control towers. Most pilots will use their radios to stay in contact with control towers and with other planes during a flight, but John never talked to anyone after taking off. A commercial plane reported to a control tower that another airplane (it was John's) was flying irregularly. If John had been on the traffic frequency he would have heard that report and he could have responded appropriately. The area is busy with planes and it's hard to imagine why John wasn't on his radios. Lastly, John's plane spiraled into the ocean spinning to the right. The bulky cast John wore on his left foot may have made it difficult or impossible for him to properly respond to the right-hand spiral -- recovery would require him to push hard on the left rudder pedal.
It was stated the cast had been removed prior to that flight.
@@ccvisions That aside - his ankle would still have been weak and he would have struggled to press hard on the rudder.
Many thanks
Just like Ara Zobian. Poor safety practices and lack logical thinking drove his ego.
@@ccvisions The cast had been replaced, not removed. The new cast was smaller but still described as "bulky."
Dr Grande, this is an excellent and the most realistic in its context of John Kennedy Junior. The best I have listened too. When a Kennedy dies, it is viewed as a “Curse” or a “Tragedy”, not another Kennedy dies. You have provided a way of looking at this so differently and accurately. The Kennedy’s were risk takers in many ways.
Excellent video. Privilege without discipline is not a good combination.
Lots of people probably had the opportunity to tell him the truth about his abilities and guide him, but I wonder if they were afraid of upsetting him or the family. I can see how he would be considered a golden child and doted on. He was also extremely good looking and I am sure many people wanted to be part of his circle. I don’t think the poor kid had a chance. Life is indeed strange.
Well Jackie tried and the other pilot guy. Never knew that. But you’re right, many many yes men. Really sad. I think he got a big head.
He had many chances. His hubris was his downfall. I feel bad for his wife and sister.
Criticism, and self-criticism, was likely not experiences he endured or undertook. It's hard to understand how a man of his status and resources could have two failures with the NY bar exam. Test preparation and tutors were fully within his reach. How much realistic assessment of himself did he engage in? So as to make adjustments.... His spouse did not seem to offer much help, either. On a positive note, from what has been reported, John, Jr. rejected the amorality of his father and exercised propriety and discretion in his romantic life.
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think he was all that attractive. I'm pretty sure he had zero personality as well.
@@theelizabethan1 Wow - here you are with more opinions (much irrelevant to the issue at hand). In the other post above ("quicktastic") you implied (actually accused) HRC had him killed so she not he could fill the NY Senatorial position. I cannot see what your next theory will be.
The part I found most interesting was JJ’s thought process and his poor problem solving and decision making skills. I can relate having ADD. He should have never been running a business or a pilot.
He needed a father to guide him. So sad and tragic !
Completely unqualified to live the life he strived for relying on pedigree to get him there rather than taking on tasks such as a publisher and pilot, both of which he was never qualified to do.
@@JustinCase780 Thank you for giving JFK, Jr. credit where credit is due. Everyone who is responding is criticizing him mercilessly when in fact he was a lovely, kind person. I heard that people who knew him thought he was one of the nicest men in public life. He was gracious and giving and a true friend. Let’s not lose sight of that.
@@malkaz9167 Yes, he was gracious and kind. And he had ADHD I believe, probably untreated. That would explain his impulsivity and misjudgment. His wife was using cocaine at times and she made the flight late.
Adhd runs in familes but i believe it can be triggered by repetitive trauma during childhood and early teens age . This man had a rich lifestyle but probably not a very happy and serene life.the dynamics in his family must have been very difficult for a young man to understand . He surely was spoiled . He probably was overestimated by many . Poor guy i feel anyway sorry for him and his family
"The Kennedys have proven themselves to be dangerous by land, sea and air" jeez, that caught me off guard Dr. Grande, I'm still laughing after finishing the video🤣🤣 amazing analysis and dark deadpan humor as always.
I'd like to add a comment here. I've followed this story from the day it happened. I was 22 when this occurred and have read countless articles and documentaries on what happened. Everyone likes to blame Carolyn for this saying she was late however that wasn't the case at all. She was there before Lauren and John waiting for them. Carolyn had a car service pick her up from their apartment which was confirmed by John's longtime assistant, Rose marie Terrenzio. Lauren and John worked downtown. John's plan was to pick up Lauren on the way to the airport when he left the George offices. He got slightly delayed at the office then once he picked up Lauren they got stuck in traffic trying to get there which made their departure delayed until nearly 8:30. Carolyn did not delay them. It bothers me when people say this and wanted to clarify.
JFKjr. and Lauren were late getting to Essex airport. Carolyn arrived just a few minutes later.
JFKjr was very wrong in not having a more experienced pilot flying with him. Moreover, he got the wrong info on flying conditions. If he knew the exact conditions flying over water, he might have changed his mind about having another pilot for the flight.
Nicole Carolyn arrived AFTER John and Lauren because she was too busy getting her nails done - three times. Another pilot Kyle was at the airport that evening. He saw them arrive and John and Lauren arrived first then shortly after Carolyn. Lauren had to work late and Carolyn was doing something she had all day to do. Both sisters caused them to be late albeit for different reasons. John still shouldn’t have gone up. John was a great guy but he was the pilot and made the mistake of going up
The dude had no business flying period
It doesn’t matter what she did, HE was the pilot, he was responsible for the safety of the passengers, he was responsible to know he was not permitted to fly instruments alone let alone with passengers because he was unqualified to do so. The buck stopped with him, he had the legal and ethical responsibility for safety and he is the one who should have said well we can’t fly because it’s too late.
This case always made me sad. Caroline's parents lost two of their three daughters that night. I can't imagine their suffering or the suffering of their surviving sister, whose name i believe was Lisa.
I remember upon hearing of the accident one of my first thoughts was that at least John's mother was dead so she wouldn't suffer the loss of her son.
Interesting video, Dr Grande, thank you as always. And speaking of airplane snafus, if you haven't already, can you make a video about Wrong Way Corrigan?
Wrong Way Corrigan? That would be great. I remember seeing the Gilligan's Island episode featuring Wrong Way Corrigan and always believed he was a fictional character. That is until 2015 I was at the Evergreen aircraft museum in McMinnville Oregon (Spruce Goose is there). During the tour, the tour guide pointed out an airplane
that was the same model Wrong Way Corrigan flew. What? there really was a Wrong Way Corrigan? Yes.
Maybe you could do Howard Hughes. The docents at the museum could talk for hours about Howard Hughes.
I've asked for a video on Wrong way Corrigan, ages ago. Not many had heard of him. I really hope Dr.Grande does a video on him!
You cited Caroline's parents. You are confusing JJ's wife's name--Carolyn--with his sister's name--Caroline. You meant to write "Carolyn," but you wrote "Caroline."
@@guyrabinowitz You made me laugh - I just finished watching Dr Grande's episode on the 10 hall marks of a Narcissistic person. Correcting someones errors can be one. LOL timing is everything.
@@IB-1963 Glad you were amused. Note: The word "narcissistic" doesn't get capitalized.
What happens when you're over-confident and refuse to listen to others concerns. It wasn't just his mother who "knew" her son but others also warned him that he wasn't ready. It's tragic that his wife's family lost two loved ones.
It is also tragic that his sister has had to experience so much loss. She is the lone survivor of that family. Coming from such a high profile family, and given that Jackie was obsessed with keeping her children protected, I am sure that their sibling bond was extremely strong as they grew up in a bubble.
It's a curious thing about risk takers. When I taught cardiology fellows how to perform cardiac catheterization, I was more an engineer, doing everything by a checklist and making the fellows learn it that way. At the same time, I knew other cardiologists who scared the crap out of me in the cath lab, but they were the ones who pushed the envelope and developed procedures like balloon angioplasty. So you very much need the risk takers or we'd be doing the same old stuff forever. I just did not have that temperament.
Flying planes is settled science
Thought provoking, thank you
This was an excellent analysis and well-researched. I often wonder if JFK Jr had a death wish engaging in all this reckless behavior. I know a lot of people that knew him and everyone says he was a truly nice person. The real tragedy here is the loss of these two young women with their whole lives ahead of them. You do know the Besette family sued the Kennedy family for wrongful death and received an out of court settlement.
Some of Dr. Grande's speculations may be open to a different interpretation and are perhaps a bit one-sided at times. Nothing was mentioned of JFK Jr. being "a truly nice person" as you mentioned was widely noted in those who knew him. The record does show that he was upset at several of his male cousins calling them "poster boys of bad behavior, he was devoted to his dying cousin, and he tried to be patient with wife Carolyn's drug abuse and emotional vulnerability. As for his intelligence, I wonder if there aren't many people who need three tries to pass the bar. Some of his problems with learning and retention, like checklists, may have been due to the high distractibility and impulsivity associated with the neurological impairments of ADHD. His high-speed plunge into the ocean very likely was a last-ditch desperate attempt to gain altitude while disoriented, an easy thing to do when flying without instruments at night. The tragic fatal flaw he exhibited seems to be his unwillingness to admit the limits of his inexperience in flying.
I don't believe he had a 'death wish'. I believe like other Kennedy family members before him, he was just arrogant and thought he was invincible.
What’s sad is this is first time I’ve heard her sister was also on the plane. I don’t remember any focus on her death 😢
@@kcjakes4259 not his sister. It was His sister in law
@@jodyjackson5475 ... April said her sister. Maybe we need to pay a bit more attention to what is said in a comment ??
Too many people thinking, and wanting, him to become a living legend. Sometimes people Need to be told the hard truth for their own good.
@@Warriorcock6969 ..You joined TH-cam Oct 18, 2021 to troll, and you continue to fail at it...lol
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I very much enjoy the thoroughness that you bring to your subject matter in such a short amount of time
Always felt sorry for the two women who didn’t realize what the hell could happen on that ill fated flight
My ex had road rage problems. He wanted to learn to be a pilot. I told him there was no way I would fly with him because of his driving antics.
Lol. Smart of you.
Very smart. Pilots need to have the capacity to keep a cool head. Anyone prone to road rage should be prohibited from flying.
Ted Kennedy told John Jr. "I love you like my own son, but I'm not going up in the air with you."
How america treats the wealthy is just astounding. Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger. I still can’t understand how Ted Kennedy leaves that poor girl alone to drown while he ran off like a thief in the night so he could save himself. Doesn’t call for help right away yet he becomes a life long senator of the United States. Why? Because his family was rich and famous. He should have been charged and served time for manslaughter. I still believe William smith Kennedy raped that woman. He felt entitled to just take her because she partied at the compound so of course she wasn’t believed 🙄
People value human life on how much money a person has. You can’t buy character, integrity.
Spatial disorientation can happen to any of us, regardless of politics, wealth or even intelligence! I once considered obtaining a private pilots license and JJ's crash made me realize that instrument certification would be a priority.
@Larry Hall
So did you get the license or ultimately decide against it?
@@kingayy9267 Happy New Year, TVR! I was planning on paying for flying lessons with a very lucrative job. This job didn't work out so I abandoned that avenue.
Yes but don't forget the Kennedys are cursed. If they don't get shot they die in accidents.
@@lauradelregno99 I'm not sure I believe in curses. Outside looking in I'd say they have privilege, therefore play hard and get burned. I got to admit, it'd be fun to be a Kennedy while the fun lasts.
@@larryhall2805 that’s why you gotta get out at the right time or EARLY
His poor passengers. His mother knew he was not capable. You summed it up well at the end.
Extremely well said. As a clinical behavioral health professional, I agree.
It would be very interesting to hear an analysis of Joe P Kennedy Sr, his character formation, and the competitiveness he created among his children. He was obsessed with having a son become President, to the point that his will dominated the family. JFK jr flying a plane right after having a leg cast removed was reckless. When you’ve had a limb casted, you lose muscle strength and flexibility quickly. He seemed to have been so out of touch with his own abilities and in denial of his limitations. How sad that his actions took the lives of two others. His wife was terrified of flying, and he got his wife’s sister, Lauren, to persuade his wife to agree to fly with him. He and his wife had a volatile relationship. Just a sad loss of three young lives.
This sad sad happening sticks in
my mind.
Such a terrible terrible way to die.
The thought of them and the terror.
His wife was 'terrified of flying' as it was, so you can imagine the sheer suffering.
So sad it breaks your heart.
@@olikane530 Seriously, I agree. What a way 2 go. When I think about it, it feels like I'm on that plane. As a flight attendant, we had a few "close calls," but nothing serious, because R pilots had the experience & training 2 know what 2 do.
To each in his or her opinion....only the ones involved knew for sure whats in their mind ....
@@jinkyhirang3237 Yeah, ok. But actions speak louder than words & 2 innocent lives were snuffed out because of it. I think we all have enough information 2 know that Jr.'s ego is what ultimately killed them all. He went against ALL warnings & even DENIED the instrument qualified pilot, 2 take the 2nd seat. If that isn't ego, then I don't know what is.
@@jinkyhirang3237 Gee, I don't know. What would be in your mind if U were in that plane & it was crashing? What U were going 2 wear 2 the "wedding"?
JFK Jr and his wife and sister in law would still be alive today if he had either flew in the daytime or flew with an experienced flight instructor
Sometimes it takes more guts to ask for help than not and swallow your pride !. . . .You don't kill anyone, at least !. . .
That's interesting... because I thought they never recovered all the supposed bodies, only a dummy pilot strapped into the seat.? Hmmmnnn?
Remember, 3rd party control chips were around then too.
This guy did an unemotional opinion about the case, which would be excellent, if all the facts are as he says.
Anything coming from the govt at that time is doubtfully true, as we all know how they covered up 9/11 and Oaklohma bombing etc, when the fbi/cia did it all themselves.
A good analysis, based of info he is using...which I personally don't believe at all.
@@Marylmac hmm! Interesting! But what don't u believe!??
@@joannemurdock7899 Wasn't he runniong for a senate seat against hildabeast at the time??? I believe a 3rd party chip, which apparent;ly, she has shares in, was involved in the plane "taking weird turns before crashing".
Exactly
This is undoubtedly one of your very best analyses, Dr. Grande. You exhibit great knowledge and understanding of all the moving parts and intricacies both literally and figuratively in this national tragedy.
He probably had a long day and was very tired...and felt pressed for time, hense, his judgement was compromised. It's unfortunate someone couldn't convince him to get a good nights sleep and fly in the morning.
I had the distinct pleasure of seeing John at different phases of his life. In 1974 when leaving Greece as a student, after the invasion of Cyprus, he and Caroline evacuated on the same Olympic Airliner then owned by Onassis. He was a fresh faced kid saddled down by a camera and a very long lense. Cute as a button. 20 years go by and I’m an Attorney in NYC working at the WTC and I often see John on the train or riding his bike on the way to work. His dazzling smile, incredible good looks and charisma are really indescribable! Photos of that era never did do him justice I must say… and he was so charming even to complete strangers like myself! He would smile back or say hello and had such unselfconscious grace. We really lost a Lovely Man too soon when he died so tragically.
It sad to see how, especially in the last minutes of this video, dr.Grande portrayed him as if he is a horrible, vile human being, a killer, with nothing good at all.
Don't feed that the doctor said things that were not right May the Lord have mercy on there souls they seem to be very unlucky family money does not all ways make you happy they had problems like us all May they rip
@@glamsky3257 I'm afraid that's not true... he stated the facts in a matter of fact way.
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@@marthabonner1925 🤪. Just stop.
From what I have read on this, John Kennedy Jr., became disoriented in bad weather and flew the plane right into the ocean thinking he was either ascending or flying straight. Whatever the circumstances, it was an avoidable tragedy.
From what you read. Well there's your mistake right there.
Indeed! JFK Jr. was not properly trained to fly at night, where you have to rely on Instrument Flight Rules. He only had 9 hours of experience flying at night with a certified flight instructor.
He had over 300 hours of day time flying/ Visual Flight Rules. He was supposed to meet his wife & sister-in-law at the essex county airport at 6PM and they didn't show up until 8:30PM
but a certified flight instructor offered to fly with John & Co. but Kennedy rejected the offer. John experienced Spatial Disorientation and he never had a chance after that. Another tragedy in the Kennedy family that could've been avoided. JFK Jr. should've pursued his dream of acting and not let his mother talk him out of it.
I don't know about this - I've been on a roller coaster a time or two with both eyes closed and I pretty much knew when I was going downwards as opposed to upwards or straight ahead. I suspect they all knew what was about to happen....
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A roller coaster is only two dimensional. As you stated downwards or upwards. Flying an aircraft is multi-dimensional. I like to think of it as circular in dimensions ⤵↩↔↙↘↖↗⬆⬇↕↪⤴.
Every which way to go that you could possibly imagine. Apples to oranges. Quite stressful. Now add in mechanical failure, human failure, weather, speed and more.
What I don't get is... How do you not know you're sideways or upside down; wouldn't gravity make your hair and clothes fall, etc.???
During my commercial flight training I took a 172 from Tifton GA to Columbia SC. At dusk, over the Savannah River Site with almond no lights, I had my first experience with loss of horizon. I was already instrument rated but still it was a shock to instantly transition to instruments.
Very easy to get killed in these conditions without the proper rating.
This really is the best summary of the incident I've ever heard. He was well-liked but actually very selfish. If he wanted to be reckless, he should have done it on his own time. Personally, I would not have agreed to fly with him. It was such an avoidable tragedy. Aside from killing himself, two women died and it was caused by a big ego that knew no boundaries.