Forgot to mention that the guaranteed doesnt carry over to the next banner, so you're basically committing to getting the character if you fail the 50-50. Definitely something that can be fixed/improved/changed. Time to leave feedback!
This is the big thing, man. Dupes are not the issue. Well, the f2p or low spenders don't actually think about the dupes as much. It's not a big issue. But the issue is that the pity doesn't carry over. So if the f2p or low spenders want to enjoy the game, they have to "Play it Smart." You can call saving 120 pulls for the char you want, but it's definitely not enjoyable anymore when you have to skip 2/3 chars to get 1.
@@pilu4242 You should always play a gacha smart, it literally saves you money while you're literally gambling. When there's no pity there's single pulls and hard pity. If you pull, just have the resources saved up to get the character you're pulling for. It's not rocket science.
Guardian Tales Gacha system looks predatory on paper because it has no pity system and no guaranteed only 80/20, but it's one of if not the most friendly gacha out there in the market because other aspects that are able to overcome those supposedly "predatory" system. and one of which is the generosity and how easy it is to gather the pulls.
So basically f2p/light spenders can get characters they want basically 100%, and whales get milked for way more than other games. I can see why people dislike it but from a business standpoint it seems clever.
@@bltzcstrnx can't say, but going by other gachas in the space you get about 100-110 pulls for free every patch. that's just shy of the guarantee, but you won't lose 50/50 every single banner, or hit hard pity for that matter, so if we're going by a launch pull count of around 200 ( again comparing to similar gachas ) your chances of missing a character are low. Caveat here is I'm assuming 1 new banner per patch, if they go with 2 each then you are going to miss a few of them as pure f2p.
@@vanory1997 some people who ran the simulation said more than 30% of people will reach the hard pity. So it's more akin to a brickwall. In contrast, Hoyo style gacha would have more than 75% of people getting the banner at 130 pulls, far before hard-pity at 180 pulls. IIRC, not even 1% of people will pass 165 pulls.
F2p wont even care unless you have so much gambling addiction u want to max everything, for f2p just get character, may loose 1st time,just get to 120, then you can also probably guarantee your weapon that way , this gacha system will only punish maxing its ok, dupes arent even a big deal anyways
Id say thats only an issue for people for pull on every banner if it follows the hoyo amount of pulls per patch, thats like a guaranteed character every other patch
It's probably because the current banner isn't limited, Laevateinn will be added to the gacha pool once her banner ends So yeah, the current banner is actually a standard rate up banner
If you came from AK, Endfield gacha is like way better because 300 to 120 is a huge drop...people need to remember that AK does not have a premium currency banner..the pulls are farmable...1 month in AK can give you 50+ pulls, the other half is from events and stuff.. so you definitely can get the rate up in under 120 pulls(if they did the same to Endfield) In AK, you never ever need dupes, it only matters in high CC content which is like the highest difficult mode in the game(basically stat check) weapon banners are farmable, yes you get the rate up weapon in 3 weeks max for free
This explanation is so well put. People in the gacha space are so brainrotten by Genshin and WUWA's gacha system. They seem to think it is the standard for every gacha game.. Again Endfield's system is not so bad. It is confusing because people are so brainrotten by hoyo's gacha system. i've seen CCs skipped lines when they read the gacha details and then claimed that they already know everything and then proceed to say "This is worse than Genshin" jesus.. Insane.
They can't resist the gacha button. I don't think this game will grow big but I actually fine with it because we can separate those retard from our game. Just save up as much as you can and when you're ready to pull just go for it just like in ak. I've been save up for awhile for lapipi alter wish me luck soldier 🪖
I do hope they'll do some nice packs like Arknights and Reverse 1999, feels a lot less bad purchasing those compared to simply purchasing gacha currency only.
Could you give examples which games you mean? The only one I can think about (out of big ones) is HSR with its powercreep needing you to either whale for lightcones or "pull smarter" a.k.a let the game play you.
@@cryter1564 Agreed. WuWa so far is the probably "the healthiest" of the bunch in this regard. ZZZ is okay although it already has worrying prospect of powercreep with Miyabi. With Genshin I would say it really started to be noticable in late Fontaine and really gained speed in Natlan. One of many reasons I finally left.
I think hard pity not carrying between banners is pretty bad, unless they're generous with the pull currency. In theory, the system is generous if you're patient and you wait for the 120 and guarantee that character. 40 less pulls to guarantee incase you lose 50/50 is great, but it also means you can't just willy-nilly throw 80 pulls & lose 50/50 to save it for another banner - which kinda sucks for some. Like, sometimes people just like throwing a silly 10 pull here and there - I know I do in other games to see if I get super lucky. I also think the fact that you can't guarantee after the 1st guarantee is pretty bad for whales, or if you're trying to nab dupes. But thinking from lightspender f2p perspective, this is a pretty good system, all things considered. And if Endfield dupes are similar to AK dupes, then they won't be at all that impactful, but I can see them heading in the opposite direction in the far future, if other games are any trend to go by.
Endfield is generous... compared to Genshin. But compared to Reverse 1999, Endfield's Regular banners could technically be considered Limited banners by not carrying over guaranteed pity. Saving and only pulling when you have 120 sounds logical... But sadly, not everyone can control their impulsive need to gamble. So for Quality of Life, just make guaranteed pity carry over like other modern, non-predatory gacha. I find the gender ratio more galling though. They're not even pretending they don't care about male characters. A literal Panda really? Can you imagine them making a 100% furry female? Obviously not because there's a bigger audience for partial animal traits (e.g. cat girls). See Arknights: Mountain, Mr. Lee, Aak, Hung. Those are furries with actual care put into their designs. Big, busty women, exposed shoulders/armpits/waists. I see Surtr, Angelica, Aurora expies were ported over. Waifu appeal attracts customers and sells like hot cakes. Original Arknights female designs were more classy; they didn't show that much skin unless you bought say a beach outfit. Honestly, I'd be less critical if there were 3 more guys. Actual conventionally attractive guys; not *cough* lizardmen or roombas *cough*). I wouldn't even care if they added three more girls to compensate. 6 guys (at least) on initial release created in good faith. Because as nice as Lifeng and Wulfgard are, they're no Ebenholz or Broca. EDIT: Found out there was one more male in the initial trailer, Fjall, a handsome doctor.
25% chance is ok Because weapon is basically free 4% chance on 6 star weapon 80 pulls is guaranteed rate up weapon. You can also buy 6 star weapon from arsenal tickets. You also get arsenal tickets from weekly challange In this current state 50% rate up will be too good for the weapon banner
The gacha system of Endfield is better, if you play OG arknights, you know their gacha system. Unlike other gacha where when we pull.. The weapon and characters are combined which is very bad. But in Endfield, when you pull the characters, you will get currency. And there is a rotational weapon in the shop. In Hoyo games gacha..some say its better system.. Oh man you don't know ive experience in HSR. Ive pulled 80 pull then lose the 50/50 and hard pity again, and that's like 160 pulls. But in Endfield .even if you lose, you will guarantee in 120 pulls and it will not reset if you get a 6 star in less than 120.
I do think that spending for duplicate is unnecessary especially OG ak. Endfield seems really good because you the weapon technically free tho even tho it's pretty low to get 6 star weapon but who cares just be lucky. The tourist doesn't know we have to spend 300 pulls for limited character, if they implement this to Endfield they will rage like a barbarian XD
@mikazuki9156 hahaha they will be very pissed if they know the 300 pity. That is why I also like OG AK since you don't need to pull for dupes to fully utilized the characters and they implementing it in Endfield.
If those aren't "limited" characters, then its not surprising their dupe strength is not that high. In all the available games with similar gatcha systems: Genshin, HSR, ZZZ, Wuwa, GFL2, etc, the standard character nodes are ALL weak. But when you go into the limited character realm, the nodes are significantly more powerful. The most recently released to global, Girls Frontline 2, quickly made this clear with each limited character theyve released thus far. A simple R1 is enough to make the characters strength even more cracked than it already was. I expect no different from AKEF, and i believe that will be the bait that will show just how bad the system is.
Nah, it's not fine. "120 pull guarantee" is the biggest bait and people are swallowing it wholesale. With current rates and layering of RNG in the banner, probability of getting featured 6* before hitting 120 pulls is borderline non-existant, and there is no other way to guarantee a featured 6*. Compared to Hoyo's games or WuWa, it creates more "stable results" but in those games you get your guarantee after losing 50/50, it can be literally next single pull and most important, it does carry over. On the note of weapons, sure cool that you can get it by spending "leftover" currency from pulling. But uh oh, if you're saving up and don't pull, you can't have weapons. And it is RNG bullshit again anyway. The actual amount of pulls needed is pretty much exactly like in WuWa, the only question is how big a difference is to have BiS 6* weapon over the alternatives. I don't think we have any solid calcs done so far to actually know. As it stands Endfield gacha maybe slightly better than Hoyo games (esp. Genshin) and more in line with WuWa, simply with the RNG spread a bit differently. How good or bad this system will be, depends on how generous the game will be with the currency in long term, not just on launch. But so far, it basically screams: "DON'T PULL UNLESS HAVE 120 PULLS".
And characters aren't limited so getting spook by them is not out of the question There will definitely be a biweekly banner were two old 6* share it and both can be bought in the shop you can already do it to gilberta,ember and lifeng
@ You need 8 pulls (23840 tickets) for guarantee, so 5000/week isn't very impressive. This entire system makes "worst case scenario" better than it is in games like Genshin or WuWa, but at the same it makes this "worst case scenario" much more probable than it is in those games.
@@radcat4317 if you farm for a month (20k), you basically get the weapon guaranteed weapon for free if you pull for the character and buy every 6 star weapon that rotates per 10 days.
i understand its a gacha game and i know that the carry over is a big problem but other then that i dont see why people complain besides a few minor things, some of the 4 stars are absolutely insane and team chem matters so much more compared to the rest
Agreed. I'm a low spender but sometimes I play for months skipping all banners to max out a character. Why punish players for saving or spending on the game?
Punishing ? It called make your wallet Healthy, if you love it and have lot money why not, if you poor then its good just only having it is enough. I know what community do when character reveal on livestream comment about, not good enough kit or appearance (Skip, Skip ,Skip 🙃).
I dont play og AK. Does older characters included into general pool like r1999? Or every char is limited like in hoyo? A lot of people is gassing this gacha system up like it's the best thing ever, but forgetting it's only cbt, alot can still change. I'm gonna wait on release and hoping they improve on the battle, it seems kinda bland.
yeah new characters get added to the general pool after their first banner run. new limited characters happen every few months and appear in the pool for future limited character banners there's other rules to it for limiteds but thats how it is simplified
In the og arknight we still have limited but the limited only come 1 per 3 month and the normal characters right the moment thier banner open you can pull them on rate or off in any other banner
I think Dev gonna change the gacha system or maybe not, just to fit in for the new player and it will be a W situation for all of us. If you played OG AK the non limited unit is 150 pulls which is not easy to get it. Some need 3 month to collect the pulls just to guarantee it. But just get use to it otherwise just drop it
It's, all character added to General Pool There's Only 4 limited banner for each year (More if Collab) which Anniversary, CNY, Half Anniversary and Summer Only True limited is Collab which need rerun event that rarely happen U can expect Rate-Off character u miss
Ive seen people comment in videos "What the pitty doesnt carry in the next banner? Worst gatcha game ever" My guy, did we watch the same video? The guarantee pity doesnt carry over not the 6 star pity. Which isnt even that bad. I didnt even know this existed in other games
i think its very different because in wuwa you can pull 5 standard weapons (100% guarantee) so you are going to use those. In arknights we dont know yet
@@Jakazin Is that 80 guarantee a rate-up guarantee? if so then everyone saying this gacha is terrible is just lying, if not its a shame but your statistically likely to get it within ~90 pulls
Nah man, it's not fine... The fact that the guarantee pity doesn't carry over is a big no... I really dislike this kind of pity system... I often do few 10-20 pulls in every patch/banner even if the featured character banner is not my target just to try my luck or I want the 4*... If I got a 5* character (on/off rate), then cool i'm lucky, if not then cool too, the pity is saved... This is how I expand my rooster in HSR i.e... I don't like that you have to save 120 pulls no less every patch...
the context that you are missing is that if these ‘character’ banners work anything like the original arknights (which they undoubtedly should) is that every character that has a solo banner like this won’t be lost forever on the rerun waiting list like the hoyoverse games they will likely be added to the ‘standard’ pool of characters. Arknights/HG have their own version of limited banners not showcased in the beta, so yes man, the pity is in fact fine with how it is to anyone not hoyo pilled out of their mind.
But the pity is saved. You dont understand what they mean by the guarantee pity. The guarantee pity is only the 120. So if your doing 10-20 pulls every banner then you'll slowly save up your pity towards the 80 pity. The only thing that doesn't transfer over is the 120 guarantee which is only after you lose the 50/50. The only issue is that if you do lose the 50/50 early then you'll have to go all the way to 120 for the guarantee or hope that you get another 6 star early and win. And ima be honest your pulling strategy is just not it.
@@unfaithfu1653 People have reading comprehension issues apparently. Loves complaining without reading first. This system is already better than most games nowadays. You either spend 80 or 120 (assuming you lost 50/50) instead of the usual 160 hard pity.
Nope, first if you can't get to 120 it's reset, which mean you can lose 2 50/50 in a row. Second, you can save but if you save you can't pull your wp. Third, if you want a wp, you have to pull the character banner, if you get it in low pity but want their wp, you have to pull more and possibly can't get to guaranteed in the upcoming banner.
If your not going for the guarantee on a banner that your pulling for (which i would assume your pulling cause you like the character) then your dumb. Standard banner gives you the currency to pull on weapon banner. Why are you pulling for a weapon for a character that you don't own in the first place? Again standard can give you currency too pull on banner and if you supposedly win the 50/50 early but don't have enough you can still do 10-20 pulls and you'll still build up the 80 pity. The only bad side is IF you get lucky and get an early but lose the 50/50 You could also use your premium currency to get the weapon banner currency but that is 100% not worth
@@unfaithfu1653 how long do you expect people to save? It's a gacha, all the events and objectives incentivize people to pull all the rewards is gacha currency. Most people play gacha games to pull, to brag about how lucky they are... In this is not arknights, in ak you know the future banner via cn patch, in this nope, you don't know if the existing banner is one of the best characters or would be power creep in 1 to 2 patch. And if you calculate the pulls this gacha system is identical with wuwa but without guarantee. Just think about it, in wuwa at worse you lose 50/50 and need to pulls a total of 160 pulls to get the new character, and then 80 pulls for wp totaling to 240 pulls. In Enfield at worse you lose 50/50, get the character in 120, lose 50/50 again, and then get enough pulls for wp in 240 pulls. If you win 50/50 at worse in wuwa then the total pulls for character is 160, 80 character and 80 in wp. In Enfield even if you get in low pity you still need to pull more. And at best in both games theoretically you can get lucky and get the character in 1 pull, except wp, cuz u can't do a single pull only multi (10 pull at a time). And don't forget other games also have the feature to turn extra reward from pulling to gacha ticket, it's harder to get, but you can convert your premium currency with the rate as character to pulls, but in Enfield the opposite.
@@NNabawiYT Events and objectives give gacha currency. No shit I don't think anyone would do the events otherwise. Or do you want the gacha games to start giving out weapon and character xp out instead of gacha currency. Arknights has little to zero powercreep. You can complete the game with 4*. The first year characters are still viable. Now this is me assuming but if they are from the same creators then I would hope for them to do the same. Calculate the pulls... Its a beta Where are you getting 240 pulls from? This is new even too me but you currently can get 20 weapon pulls weekly. This might change at release but for now its available. Now im believing that you haven't watched anyone play. There is a feature to turn extra rewards to gacha tickets You don't need to have every single character with their destired weapon. If so then you would also be complaining about any other gacha with a weapon banner.
@@unfaithfu1653 i want them to to not reset the 120 guarantee, what i mean by currency is people want th not just save, in ak people save because they know the future banner. I got 240 by watching streamer get enough pulls for 1 multi in wp after 33 character pulls, because the guarantee is at 8 multi so 30 * 8 = 240. This is not arknights we don't knows how viable 4* is... And even if you can complete story with 4*, event will be hard, and most importantly most people want to pulls knowing that the guarantee is not reset. We don't know how many pulls do they give per month, if it's not enough to reach 120 people would be mad.. Cuz most of the time guarantee after 50/50 is better, because if you lose, you know the next one guarantee so you can save the guarantee for you desired banner. And if we talk about the gacha system reverse 1999 is better... Pity at 70 pulls, guarantee after 50/50, you bought wp in shop through completing daily mission. And all exclusive wp for characters came from the event shop and then came to regular shop 2 patch after the event
@alfdog83 if for example you do 65 pulls and lose the 5050 then you need 55 more to rrach that guaranteed, if you dont reach the guaranteed and never get the 6* in rate up, the next banner you will ned to go thru another 5050.
So the guaranteed doesnt carry, it isnt like hoyoverse games that if you lose the 5050 the next character is the rate up no matter what banner you pull, here if you fail to get the rate up you are fucked
Save up enough for guaranteed and do single pulls, no shared pity isn't a make or break for me. I'd much rather have high rates and no shared pity than whatever the hell Genshin is.
??? pity isnt carried over in both games no actual weapon 'banner' (it doesnt cost premium currency in EF) the 120 hard pity limit in EF is for every character, whereas in AK there is a 200 pity and that is only for limited characters yeah the 0.8% vs the 2% is bad, but i think the lower hard-hard pity (120) makes up for that
the gatcha is not fine reaaaally not stop spreding misinformation, not get a rate up carring on other banner is a reeeal big issue like enormous, we need to call it now
@Jakazin "the gatcha is fine" when it's not, just don't spead misinformation in thumbnail you think devs will check every vids? they will just see titles then see it's ok for player and don't question themself about it (it's my pov ofc, you can delete the com if you want it's your chanel after all)
Characters that arent limited will likely go to the standard pool (like AK) plus that isnt a big deal, just save up enough pulls so you are carrying 120 when you pull for characters + you arent spending premium currency on the light cone / weapon banner in this game, so you wont be spending as much premium currency anyway
mate. no. the gacha system is not fine how does wuthering waves guarantee the signature weapon with no competition after 80 pulls. honkai star rail gives it 75% chance of getting it. then this game gives u 25% while competing with other weapons. how many staff of homa incidents do we need to have until companies learn. and whole point of pity carrying over is to give free to play players who MISSED a character a chance to guarantee next character.......... these predatory transactions is the reason most people re roll arknights for a god account cos they know they arent gonna get much luck getting characters and even in arknights (outside of events) they dont give u enough free game currency to get to reach soft pity of 50-60 pulls..... unless u save in advance for multiple..... banners (not 2, not 4, multiple)....... fact is arknights has some of the worst gacha systems in most gacha games where some pull 300 times and DONT get the CORRECT banner character while every game nowadays needs 160. having 120 pulls to gurantee character is a step into right direction but only once? if they are gonna bring endfield in the age of wuthering waves, zenless zone zero and soon ananta its gonna die on launch to its competitors that are doing better rates and giving more pulls per update. its not about 'getting dupes doesnt matter much in this game' its about do other games have better rates than ur game? then why play ur game then. all i see is f2p unfriendly unless u plan and skip multiple banners to guarantee like arknights did that other gacha games have but not to this extent of bad. aswell as another staff of homa incident 2.0
bro read, the weapon is guaranteed in 80 pulls, 40 pulls only guaranteed random 6 star weapon. basically you get 2 six star weapon in 80 pulls with the signature weapon. how is that bad? with 4% change to get six star if you lucky you guys just doesnt read man for real for real
I swear gacha players only get their information from drama CC's and doomposter and refuse to form their own opinion after they look deeper. Arguably Endfield's weapon banner = Wuwa's weapon banner with higher rates (4% compared to Wuwa's 0.8%) despite you might get random 6 stars weapon before you hit the 80 pity
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Nice analist. But knowing OG Arknights, I think Laevatain is not limited. She's just rate up higher than other 6stars one...
Forgot to mention that the guaranteed doesnt carry over to the next banner, so you're basically committing to getting the character if you fail the 50-50. Definitely something that can be fixed/improved/changed. Time to leave feedback!
yes we need to say what we dont like to improve this, thanks for the video
This is the big thing, man. Dupes are not the issue. Well, the f2p or low spenders don't actually think about the dupes as much. It's not a big issue.
But the issue is that the pity doesn't carry over. So if the f2p or low spenders want to enjoy the game, they have to "Play it Smart." You can call saving 120 pulls for the char you want, but it's definitely not enjoyable anymore when you have to skip 2/3 chars to get 1.
That's... A big thing to miss.
Yeah "forgot" sure bro
@@pilu4242 You should always play a gacha smart, it literally saves you money while you're literally gambling. When there's no pity there's single pulls and hard pity. If you pull, just have the resources saved up to get the character you're pulling for. It's not rocket science.
Guardian Tales Gacha system looks predatory on paper because it has no pity system and no guaranteed only 80/20, but it's one of if not the most friendly gacha out there in the market because other aspects that are able to overcome those supposedly "predatory" system. and one of which is the generosity and how easy it is to gather the pulls.
So basically f2p/light spenders can get characters they want basically 100%, and whales get milked for way more than other games. I can see why people dislike it but from a business standpoint it seems clever.
Is 120 pulls income guaranteed for every banner?
@@bltzcstrnx can't say, but going by other gachas in the space you get about 100-110 pulls for free every patch. that's just shy of the guarantee, but you won't lose 50/50 every single banner, or hit hard pity for that matter, so if we're going by a launch pull count of around 200 ( again comparing to similar gachas ) your chances of missing a character are low. Caveat here is I'm assuming 1 new banner per patch, if they go with 2 each then you are going to miss a few of them as pure f2p.
@@vanory1997 some people who ran the simulation said more than 30% of people will reach the hard pity. So it's more akin to a brickwall. In contrast, Hoyo style gacha would have more than 75% of people getting the banner at 130 pulls, far before hard-pity at 180 pulls. IIRC, not even 1% of people will pass 165 pulls.
F2p wont even care unless you have so much gambling addiction u want to max everything, for f2p just get character, may loose 1st time,just get to 120, then you can also probably guarantee your weapon that way , this gacha system will only punish maxing its ok, dupes arent even a big deal anyways
The only problem I have is that the hard pitty doesn’t carry over to the next banner.
Id say thats only an issue for people for pull on every banner
if it follows the hoyo amount of pulls per patch, thats like a guaranteed character every other patch
Hard pity does carry over, guranteed pity does not.
@@null5381 thats so shit
It's probably because the current banner isn't limited, Laevateinn will be added to the gacha pool once her banner ends
So yeah, the current banner is actually a standard rate up banner
@@indomaretlawrence1069since you can already get Yvonne here, I guess neither is the next one 😂
If you came from AK, Endfield gacha is like way better because 300 to 120 is a huge drop...people need to remember that AK does not have a premium currency banner..the pulls are farmable...1 month in AK can give you 50+ pulls, the other half is from events and stuff.. so you definitely can get the rate up in under 120 pulls(if they did the same to Endfield)
In AK, you never ever need dupes, it only matters in high CC content which is like the highest difficult mode in the game(basically stat check)
weapon banners are farmable, yes you get the rate up weapon in 3 weeks max for free
This explanation is so well put. People in the gacha space are so brainrotten by Genshin and WUWA's gacha system. They seem to think it is the standard for every gacha game.. Again Endfield's system is not so bad. It is confusing because people are so brainrotten by hoyo's gacha system. i've seen CCs skipped lines when they read the gacha details and then claimed that they already know everything and then proceed to say "This is worse than Genshin" jesus.. Insane.
They can't resist the gacha button. I don't think this game will grow big but I actually fine with it because we can separate those retard from our game. Just save up as much as you can and when you're ready to pull just go for it just like in ak. I've been save up for awhile for lapipi alter wish me luck soldier 🪖
It's the usual EN can't read moment
I do hope they'll do some nice packs like Arknights and Reverse 1999, feels a lot less bad purchasing those compared to simply purchasing gacha currency only.
I mean, 120 pulls for a 100% guaranteed is god damn nice, assuming the devs provide an ''ok'' amount of pulls for free.
THE ARKNIGHTS: ENDFIELD GACHA IS NOT FINE but is FINE if thy give you many summons
glad to see that the sequences are not impactfull like other games
Could you give examples which games you mean? The only one I can think about (out of big ones) is HSR with its powercreep needing you to either whale for lightcones or "pull smarter" a.k.a let the game play you.
@radcat4317 hsr and gi, i think wuwa and zzz are fine
@@cryter1564 Agreed. WuWa so far is the probably "the healthiest" of the bunch in this regard. ZZZ is okay although it already has worrying prospect of powercreep with Miyabi. With Genshin I would say it really started to be noticable in late Fontaine and really gained speed in Natlan. One of many reasons I finally left.
I dislike it. I prefer to save for my favorite characters to go all out.
@@Squashua2727 with this gacha system looks like it will be difficult. No guarantee after losing 50/50 is tough
I think hard pity not carrying between banners is pretty bad, unless they're generous with the pull currency. In theory, the system is generous if you're patient and you wait for the 120 and guarantee that character. 40 less pulls to guarantee incase you lose 50/50 is great, but it also means you can't just willy-nilly throw 80 pulls & lose 50/50 to save it for another banner - which kinda sucks for some. Like, sometimes people just like throwing a silly 10 pull here and there - I know I do in other games to see if I get super lucky.
I also think the fact that you can't guarantee after the 1st guarantee is pretty bad for whales, or if you're trying to nab dupes. But thinking from lightspender f2p perspective, this is a pretty good system, all things considered. And if Endfield dupes are similar to AK dupes, then they won't be at all that impactful, but I can see them heading in the opposite direction in the far future, if other games are any trend to go by.
Endfield is generous... compared to Genshin. But compared to Reverse 1999, Endfield's Regular banners could technically be considered Limited banners by not carrying over guaranteed pity. Saving and only pulling when you have 120 sounds logical... But sadly, not everyone can control their impulsive need to gamble. So for Quality of Life, just make guaranteed pity carry over like other modern, non-predatory gacha.
I find the gender ratio more galling though. They're not even pretending they don't care about male characters. A literal Panda really? Can you imagine them making a 100% furry female? Obviously not because there's a bigger audience for partial animal traits (e.g. cat girls). See Arknights: Mountain, Mr. Lee, Aak, Hung. Those are furries with actual care put into their designs.
Big, busty women, exposed shoulders/armpits/waists. I see Surtr, Angelica, Aurora expies were ported over. Waifu appeal attracts customers and sells like hot cakes. Original Arknights female designs were more classy; they didn't show that much skin unless you bought say a beach outfit.
Honestly, I'd be less critical if there were 3 more guys. Actual conventionally attractive guys; not *cough* lizardmen or roombas *cough*). I wouldn't even care if they added three more girls to compensate. 6 guys (at least) on initial release created in good faith. Because as nice as Lifeng and Wulfgard are, they're no Ebenholz or Broca.
EDIT: Found out there was one more male in the initial trailer, Fjall, a handsome doctor.
25% chance is ok
Because weapon is basically free
4% chance on 6 star weapon
80 pulls is guaranteed rate up weapon.
You can also buy 6 star weapon from arsenal tickets.
You also get arsenal tickets from weekly challange
In this current state 50% rate up will be too good for the weapon banner
The gacha system of Endfield is better, if you play OG arknights, you know their gacha system.
Unlike other gacha where when we pull.. The weapon and characters are combined which is very bad.
But in Endfield, when you pull the characters, you will get currency. And there is a rotational weapon in the shop.
In Hoyo games gacha..some say its better system.. Oh man you don't know ive experience in HSR. Ive pulled 80 pull then lose the 50/50 and hard pity again, and that's like 160 pulls. But in Endfield .even if you lose, you will guarantee in 120 pulls and it will not reset if you get a 6 star in less than 120.
I do think that spending for duplicate is unnecessary especially OG ak. Endfield seems really good because you the weapon technically free tho even tho it's pretty low to get 6 star weapon but who cares just be lucky. The tourist doesn't know we have to spend 300 pulls for limited character, if they implement this to Endfield they will rage like a barbarian XD
@mikazuki9156 hahaha they will be very pissed if they know the 300 pity. That is why I also like OG AK since you don't need to pull for dupes to fully utilized the characters and they implementing it in Endfield.
I Was considering skipping this game but after your explanation about the mechanics of the gacha , Am definitely on board to play it.Thanks
If those aren't "limited" characters, then its not surprising their dupe strength is not that high.
In all the available games with similar gatcha systems: Genshin, HSR, ZZZ, Wuwa, GFL2, etc, the standard character nodes are ALL weak. But when you go into the limited character realm, the nodes are significantly more powerful. The most recently released to global, Girls Frontline 2, quickly made this clear with each limited character theyve released thus far. A simple R1 is enough to make the characters strength even more cracked than it already was.
I expect no different from AKEF, and i believe that will be the bait that will show just how bad the system is.
Appreciate this! Especially coz I didn't get into Beta.
Nah, it's not fine. "120 pull guarantee" is the biggest bait and people are swallowing it wholesale. With current rates and layering of RNG in the banner, probability of getting featured 6* before hitting 120 pulls is borderline non-existant, and there is no other way to guarantee a featured 6*. Compared to Hoyo's games or WuWa, it creates more "stable results" but in those games you get your guarantee after losing 50/50, it can be literally next single pull and most important, it does carry over.
On the note of weapons, sure cool that you can get it by spending "leftover" currency from pulling. But uh oh, if you're saving up and don't pull, you can't have weapons. And it is RNG bullshit again anyway. The actual amount of pulls needed is pretty much exactly like in WuWa, the only question is how big a difference is to have BiS 6* weapon over the alternatives. I don't think we have any solid calcs done so far to actually know.
As it stands Endfield gacha maybe slightly better than Hoyo games (esp. Genshin) and more in line with WuWa, simply with the RNG spread a bit differently. How good or bad this system will be, depends on how generous the game will be with the currency in long term, not just on launch. But so far, it basically screams: "DON'T PULL UNLESS HAVE 120 PULLS".
I mean, you can farm 5000 arsenal tickets a week which is about 3 weapon pulls in two weeks.
And characters aren't limited so getting spook by them is not out of the question
There will definitely be a biweekly banner were two old 6* share it and both can be bought in the shop you can already do it to gilberta,ember and lifeng
@ You need 8 pulls (23840 tickets) for guarantee, so 5000/week isn't very impressive. This entire system makes "worst case scenario" better than it is in games like Genshin or WuWa, but at the same it makes this "worst case scenario" much more probable than it is in those games.
@@radcat4317 ~7 pulls a month isn’t impressive? What?
@@radcat4317 if you farm for a month (20k), you basically get the weapon guaranteed weapon for free if you pull for the character and buy every 6 star weapon that rotates per 10 days.
i understand its a gacha game and i know that the carry over is a big problem but other then that i dont see why people complain besides a few minor things, some of the 4 stars are absolutely insane and team chem matters so much more compared to the rest
Characters you need to pull but weapons are basically free.
As a whale who liked to max my characters in gachas this seems like a hard pass
Agreed. I'm a low spender but sometimes I play for months skipping all banners to max out a character. Why punish players for saving or spending on the game?
Punishing ? It called make your wallet Healthy, if you love it and have lot money why not, if you poor then its good just only having it is enough. I know what community do when character reveal on livestream comment about, not good enough kit or appearance (Skip, Skip ,Skip 🙃).
I dont play og AK.
Does older characters included into general pool like r1999?
Or every char is limited like in hoyo?
A lot of people is gassing this gacha system up like it's the best thing ever, but forgetting it's only cbt, alot can still change.
I'm gonna wait on release and hoping they improve on the battle, it seems kinda bland.
yeah new characters get added to the general pool after their first banner run.
new limited characters happen every few months and appear in the pool for future limited character banners
there's other rules to it for limiteds but thats how it is simplified
In the og arknight we still have limited but the limited only come 1 per 3 month and the normal characters right the moment thier banner open you can pull them on rate or off in any other banner
Yeah, some do some dont
though right now its unknown if it will be the case for endfield
I think Dev gonna change the gacha system or maybe not, just to fit in for the new player and it will be a W situation for all of us. If you played OG AK the non limited unit is 150 pulls which is not easy to get it. Some need 3 month to collect the pulls just to guarantee it. But just get use to it otherwise just drop it
It's, all character added to General Pool
There's Only 4 limited banner for each year (More if Collab) which Anniversary, CNY, Half Anniversary and Summer
Only True limited is Collab which need rerun event that rarely happen
U can expect Rate-Off character u miss
For me is good gacha, 5 stars guarantee every 10th pull
Ive seen people comment in videos "What the pitty doesnt carry in the next banner? Worst gatcha game ever"
My guy, did we watch the same video? The guarantee pity doesnt carry over not the 6 star pity. Which isnt even that bad. I didnt even know this existed in other games
Forgot to mention the "Not carried over" part? Might as well reupload an edited video bro 😂😂😂
fuck that, you can read the addendum, i believe in you
It's not a big deal to some people. I for one don't care about it. The big deal to me is th garaunteed only happening one time.
@ I'm definitely putting that one in the feedback yeah
Cheers mate 🍻 hope they take our feedback seriously
The market is flooded with subpar gotcha games. It would have to innovate way above the other cash grabs to be great and become sustainable.
Are 4* weapons unusable like in wuwa? Like big difference in main stat compared to higher rarity counterparts
Not sure, i'm not in endgame yet, i'll be doing couple follow up videos with important informations soon once i tackle more important content
i think its very different because in wuwa you can pull 5 standard weapons (100% guarantee) so you are going to use those. In arknights we dont know yet
Please make a first impression or review
that pity is pretty cringe
Why did you say that 24k is enough to guarantee signature weapon when there is always a 25% chance?
because it is guaranteed at 80 pulls, which is roughly 24k arsenal - pause at 10:50 and read the last portion of the description
@@Jakazin Is that 80 guarantee a rate-up guarantee? if so then everyone saying this gacha is terrible is just lying, if not its a shame but your statistically likely to get it within ~90 pulls
@ yes, as you can see from the text, it clearly says "the fifth heirloom", which is levatain sig weapon.
@@Jakazin THIS! the rate up weapon is GUARANTEED at the 80th pulls
Worst case scenario, it's similar when you hit hard pity on Wuwa's weapon banner
Nah man, it's not fine... The fact that the guarantee pity doesn't carry over is a big no... I really dislike this kind of pity system... I often do few 10-20 pulls in every patch/banner even if the featured character banner is not my target just to try my luck or I want the 4*... If I got a 5* character (on/off rate), then cool i'm lucky, if not then cool too, the pity is saved... This is how I expand my rooster in HSR i.e... I don't like that you have to save 120 pulls no less every patch...
the context that you are missing is that if these ‘character’ banners work anything like the original arknights (which they undoubtedly should) is that every character that has a solo banner like this won’t be lost forever on the rerun waiting list like the hoyoverse games they will likely be added to the ‘standard’ pool of characters. Arknights/HG have their own version of limited banners not showcased in the beta, so yes man, the pity is in fact fine with how it is to anyone not hoyo pilled out of their mind.
people nowadays are just paying overpriced png collectors and want 50/50 bs to not lose, because a gacha game should give everythibg right?
But the pity is saved. You dont understand what they mean by the guarantee pity. The guarantee pity is only the 120. So if your doing 10-20 pulls every banner then you'll slowly save up your pity towards the 80 pity. The only thing that doesn't transfer over is the 120 guarantee which is only after you lose the 50/50. The only issue is that if you do lose the 50/50 early then you'll have to go all the way to 120 for the guarantee or hope that you get another 6 star early and win. And ima be honest your pulling strategy is just not it.
@@yokaii00expanding the standard pool rarely means you’ll get them easier
@@unfaithfu1653 People have reading comprehension issues apparently. Loves complaining without reading first. This system is already better than most games nowadays. You either spend 80 or 120 (assuming you lost 50/50) instead of the usual 160 hard pity.
Nope, first if you can't get to 120 it's reset, which mean you can lose 2 50/50 in a row.
Second, you can save but if you save you can't pull your wp.
Third, if you want a wp, you have to pull the character banner, if you get it in low pity but want their wp, you have to pull more and possibly can't get to guaranteed in the upcoming banner.
If your not going for the guarantee on a banner that your pulling for (which i would assume your pulling cause you like the character) then your dumb.
Standard banner gives you the currency to pull on weapon banner. Why are you pulling for a weapon for a character that you don't own in the first place?
Again standard can give you currency too pull on banner and if you supposedly win the 50/50 early but don't have enough you can still do 10-20 pulls and you'll still build up the 80 pity. The only bad side is IF you get lucky and get an early but lose the 50/50
You could also use your premium currency to get the weapon banner currency but that is 100% not worth
You can get weapon banner tickets from the base or the roguelike mode.
@@unfaithfu1653 how long do you expect people to save? It's a gacha, all the events and objectives incentivize people to pull all the rewards is gacha currency.
Most people play gacha games to pull, to brag about how lucky they are...
In this is not arknights, in ak you know the future banner via cn patch, in this nope, you don't know if the existing banner is one of the best characters or would be power creep in 1 to 2 patch.
And if you calculate the pulls this gacha system is identical with wuwa but without guarantee.
Just think about it, in wuwa at worse you lose 50/50 and need to pulls a total of 160 pulls to get the new character, and then 80 pulls for wp totaling to 240 pulls.
In Enfield at worse you lose 50/50, get the character in 120, lose 50/50 again, and then get enough pulls for wp in 240 pulls.
If you win 50/50 at worse in wuwa then the total pulls for character is 160, 80 character and 80 in wp.
In Enfield even if you get in low pity you still need to pull more.
And at best in both games theoretically you can get lucky and get the character in 1 pull, except wp, cuz u can't do a single pull only multi (10 pull at a time).
And don't forget other games also have the feature to turn extra reward from pulling to gacha ticket, it's harder to get, but you can convert your premium currency with the rate as character to pulls, but in Enfield the opposite.
@@NNabawiYT Events and objectives give gacha currency. No shit I don't think anyone would do the events otherwise. Or do you want the gacha games to start giving out weapon and character xp out instead of gacha currency.
Arknights has little to zero powercreep. You can complete the game with 4*. The first year characters are still viable. Now this is me assuming but if they are from the same creators then I would hope for them to do the same.
Calculate the pulls... Its a beta
Where are you getting 240 pulls from?
This is new even too me but you currently can get 20 weapon pulls weekly. This might change at release but for now its available.
Now im believing that you haven't watched anyone play. There is a feature to turn extra rewards to gacha tickets
You don't need to have every single character with their destired weapon. If so then you would also be complaining about any other gacha with a weapon banner.
@@unfaithfu1653 i want them to to not reset the 120 guarantee, what i mean by currency is people want th not just save, in ak people save because they know the future banner.
I got 240 by watching streamer get enough pulls for 1 multi in wp after 33 character pulls, because the guarantee is at 8 multi so 30 * 8 = 240.
This is not arknights we don't knows how viable 4* is... And even if you can complete story with 4*, event will be hard, and most importantly most people want to pulls knowing that the guarantee is not reset.
We don't know how many pulls do they give per month, if it's not enough to reach 120 people would be mad..
Cuz most of the time guarantee after 50/50 is better, because if you lose, you know the next one guarantee so you can save the guarantee for you desired banner.
And if we talk about the gacha system reverse 1999 is better... Pity at 70 pulls, guarantee after 50/50, you bought wp in shop through completing daily mission. And all exclusive wp for characters came from the event shop and then came to regular shop 2 patch after the event
its FOMO in its purest form. having to pull 120 pull in the banner instead of just 80/90 and just let the pitty carry over is you lose.
A hard pass imagine 1 guarantee on a banner then 50/50 all the way after hitting that guarantee on the same banner, this is a trash.
Guaranteed dont carried between banner IS NOT FINE for fucks sake
wdym? the guaranteed does carry?
its 120 on every banner until you get the banner character
@alfdog83 if for example you do 65 pulls and lose the 5050 then you need 55 more to rrach that guaranteed, if you dont reach the guaranteed and never get the 6* in rate up, the next banner you will ned to go thru another 5050.
So the guaranteed doesnt carry, it isnt like hoyoverse games that if you lose the 5050 the next character is the rate up no matter what banner you pull, here if you fail to get the rate up you are fucked
Save up enough for guaranteed and do single pulls, no shared pity isn't a make or break for me. I'd much rather have high rates and no shared pity than whatever the hell Genshin is.
@AuthorityCat are the high rates in this room? How is 0.8 high
it's not bad compare to genshin, but is disgusting compare to arknights
???
pity isnt carried over in both games
no actual weapon 'banner' (it doesnt cost premium currency in EF)
the 120 hard pity limit in EF is for every character, whereas in AK there is a 200 pity and that is only for limited characters
yeah the 0.8% vs the 2% is bad, but i think the lower hard-hard pity (120) makes up for that
the gatcha is not fine reaaaally not stop spreding misinformation, not get a rate up carring on other banner is a reeeal big issue like enormous, we need to call it now
i didnt even mention that part, did you even watch the video
@Jakazin "the gatcha is fine" when it's not, just don't spead misinformation in thumbnail
you think devs will check every vids? they will just see titles then see it's ok for player and don't question themself about it
(it's my pov ofc, you can delete the com if you want it's your chanel after all)
its not fine only if they release characters at the pace of hoyo or follow thier formula. if it works like AK is fine tbh
@@novyknec1113 yeah of course, but just why take the risk and say nothing if it's not the case? the gatcha is more like a genshin than a arknight
Characters that arent limited will likely go to the standard pool (like AK)
plus that isnt a big deal, just save up enough pulls so you are carrying 120 when you pull for characters + you arent spending premium currency on the light cone / weapon banner in this game, so you wont be spending as much premium currency anyway
dead game gg
mate. no. the gacha system is not fine how does wuthering waves guarantee the signature weapon with no competition after 80 pulls. honkai star rail gives it 75% chance of getting it. then this game gives u 25% while competing with other weapons. how many staff of homa incidents do we need to have until companies learn. and whole point of pity carrying over is to give free to play players who MISSED a character a chance to guarantee next character.......... these predatory transactions is the reason most people re roll arknights for a god account cos they know they arent gonna get much luck getting characters and even in arknights (outside of events) they dont give u enough free game currency to get to reach soft pity of 50-60 pulls..... unless u save in advance for multiple..... banners (not 2, not 4, multiple)....... fact is arknights has some of the worst gacha systems in most gacha games where some pull 300 times and DONT get the CORRECT banner character while every game nowadays needs 160. having 120 pulls to gurantee character is a step into right direction but only once? if they are gonna bring endfield in the age of wuthering waves, zenless zone zero and soon ananta its gonna die on launch to its competitors that are doing better rates and giving more pulls per update. its not about 'getting dupes doesnt matter much in this game' its about do other games have better rates than ur game? then why play ur game then. all i see is f2p unfriendly unless u plan and skip multiple banners to guarantee like arknights did that other gacha games have but not to this extent of bad. aswell as another staff of homa incident 2.0
bro read, the weapon is guaranteed in 80 pulls, 40 pulls only guaranteed random 6 star weapon. basically you get 2 six star weapon in 80 pulls with the signature weapon. how is that bad? with 4% change to get six star if you lucky
you guys just doesnt read man for real for real
I mean what did you expect coming from the gacha community
I swear gacha players only get their information from drama CC's and doomposter and refuse to form their own opinion after they look deeper.
Arguably Endfield's weapon banner = Wuwa's weapon banner with higher rates (4% compared to Wuwa's 0.8%) despite you might get random 6 stars weapon before you hit the 80 pity