So basically, nukes appear to be, in general, challenging to play against. Happy struggled to micro units when they are nearly one shot dead by Mk Pala. Kinda explains why other players have been struggling vs nova coil for years now.
Happy gets his expansion cancelled 4 times in a row and still super close to win and would probably be a winner if he did not make some mistakes like getting 2 heroes surrounded and not going frost armor. Meanwhile ppl in youtube comments: Humans are OP, beating Human as the Undead is impossible, blah-blah-blah
I think happy is avoiding the veto on hammerfall because it's a smaller tourny. It gives him time to get better on the map, and if he gets into a tourny with a bigger prize pool, then he may veto it if he's not confident enough. He's not gonna find these kinds of matches on the ladder, making the training on HF here pretty valuable for him.
Even happy got expansion cancelled 4 times, still undead is so easy to play, with almost infinite mana. Dark ritual with ranger's minion is best synergy. Did you see how many knights were dead while only a few cryptfiend dies? And when with vanshes(3 tier), undead has all counter to any races. Kudos to Sok :)
The only thing i really don’t understand about happy is how he doesn’t upgrade anything, Not even damage or defence 1 which are basically 125 gold each, I really think this would be a different game if he had,
@@josuepereira9782 I know, but he should have investmented into them instead of destros, destros get dominated easily by HU flyings without dreadlord support
@@Akram-101.0He would need to build a Temple, than the banshees, than the banshee magic upgrades while Human had a level and eco advantage. While he is doing that human would attack and he would have nothing. He already had statues and a slaughterhouse as part of his normal build order so building destros is just a small investment.
@@josuepereira9782 yea I see what you're saying, him being under the pressure of zap drop over and over again with no expo kinda forced to seek fast way for air dominance Which didn't work for long because he didn't have dreadlord to protect destros from upcoming gyros
Human vs NE and Orc is pretty balanced actually, against UD Humans have an advantage but as you can clearly see from these series Undead are absolutely capable of taking games from them and winning. Meanwhile UD vs NE is broken beyond repair to the point that wathing Happy or 120 going vs top Night Elves is a waste of time.
@@ab-qj3wo humans have all mathups 50%+. While ud-ne is 47-vs-53 in favor ud (thx to happy) - you consider it "broken beyond repair", while human-vs-ud is 55-vs-45 you consider "undead (happy) are absolutely capable of taking games".
♥ Why no play Happy vs Human, 1x 2x 3x Frostwyrm?? This is best vs Knight+Tank =) (Slow and Dmg! and controle too Zepeline Snip!) :) Frostwyrm + Destro is great!!!
game 3:so expansion was cancelled like 4 times and UD still had a chance?Any other race would've no chance whatsoever,there's clearly something wrong here u guys
These lich openings became so one dimensional and boring, I feel like it gives human so much space to play rings around UD, selling tp, mindless push for exp even if it works HU late game still is way superior. I think DK first is still underrated with destro bust especially.
God you guys are such losers. Sok is an amazing player. Happy is a better player overall but Sok is still like consistently top 5 in the world. I guarantee you if you stop whining about everything your life will improve. And I went through that myself back in the day, I used to be a grandmaster sc2 player and for years zerg was ridiculously underpowered. But even despite the underpoweredness lots of zergs (like myself) got stuck in the mental trap of learned helplessness where you just blame everything on balance rather than trying to strategically analyze.
@@rsk-1337 lol, zergs were underpowered? The most broken race since start of sc2. Dunno what's about nowadays, but it was clear favorite in wol, hots and start of the lotv. With less micro and macro required, zerg players dominate both asia and west scene.
@@BinxyBrown there were 132 protoss, 141 zerg and 239 terrans in code S through all wol time. Only 3 toss won gf (2.272% succedd), terrans won 5 gf (2.092% succedd), zergs won 7 gf (4.965% succedd). Zergs have 2,5x more winrate than terran or protoss in the same competitive skillbracket. The only thing prottoss were able to do is all-in immortal push vs zerg. Same for terran - 2x 11rax or some pushes non stop or die to broodfestors. In 2013 (last year of wol, peak wol skill performance) there were 50% of all code S players are zergs: 8 in no16, 4 in ro8, 3 in ro4, 2/2 in gf. Literally zergs were losing to zergs mostly.
I know Happy is a dominant player but I cant help but watch his games and root for him. I usually root for the underdog but I just never want to see Happy or Serral (for starcraft) lose.
HEy guys, I'm new to this game. I have a question; why is this undead winning every fight, when he has 0-0 upgrades and less upgrades overall? Is this balance? Gee, I really must not understand the game, because this feels like the worst imbalance this game had for years. But hey, maybe UD is supposed to win those fights with mostly T1 units without upgrades against T3, double staff and severall upgrades...
I don't think hu vs ud is ridiculously human favored the way some commenters act, but humans def don't have the right to bitch about UD anymore. They're different races. UD has always felt ridiculous how just heroes and statues alone are ridiculously powerful. But yeah making a reductive argument of "t1 without upgrades vs t3" is vastly oversimplifying the complexity of the matchup
![WC3 - [UD] Happy vs Sok [HU] - Finals - Ancient of Wonders Cup 2024](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HBO0kaBqirk/mqdefault.jpg)
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Always amazing to see these two go at it. GG Sok!!
Wow! Sok avoided the choke! Well done dude!
Kudos to Sok for holding it together in game 3. What a nail biter!
Absolutely amazing.. really enjoyed watching this serie
@10:15 flying machine kills a destroyer. They never saw him coming. 😎
So basically, nukes appear to be, in general, challenging to play against. Happy struggled to micro units when they are nearly one shot dead by Mk Pala. Kinda explains why other players have been struggling vs nova coil for years now.
Happy gets his expansion cancelled 4 times in a row and still super close to win and would probably be a winner if he did not make some mistakes like getting 2 heroes surrounded and not going frost armor.
Meanwhile ppl in youtube comments: Humans are OP, beating Human as the Undead is impossible, blah-blah-blah
Imagine happy chose frost armor in g3, dnd was never casted
Lovely games but the result was the best...Sok for ever!
I think happy is avoiding the veto on hammerfall because it's a smaller tourny. It gives him time to get better on the map, and if he gets into a tourny with a bigger prize pool, then he may veto it if he's not confident enough. He's not gonna find these kinds of matches on the ladder, making the training on HF here pretty valuable for him.
Heck ya!!! So happy to see Humans win this matchup now!!
I agree 100% with the frost armor it could have won him the third game
Sok is good but Fortitude is the 🐐 right now
Awesome game. Awesome matchup.
So much balance whine here. 🍷 🍷
Even happy got expansion cancelled 4 times, still undead is so easy to play, with almost infinite mana.
Dark ritual with ranger's minion is best synergy.
Did you see how many knights were dead while only a few cryptfiend dies?
And when with vanshes(3 tier), undead has all counter to any races.
Kudos to Sok :)
The only thing i really don’t understand about happy is how he doesn’t upgrade anything, Not even damage or defence 1 which are basically 125 gold each, I really think this would be a different game if he had,
Balance idea to counter tanks.... have Frost breath freeze them like buildings.
Que buena partida. Saludos desde Chile
Banshees are mandatory against human in late game
counters knights and magic
He did not had the money for banshees tho.
@@josuepereira9782 I know, but he should have investmented into them instead of destros, destros get dominated easily by HU flyings without dreadlord support
@@Akram-101.0He would need to build a Temple, than the banshees, than the banshee magic upgrades while Human had a level and eco advantage.
While he is doing that human would attack and he would have nothing. He already had statues and a slaughterhouse as part of his normal build order so building destros is just a small investment.
@@josuepereira9782 yea I see what you're saying, him being under the pressure of zap drop over and over again with no expo kinda forced to seek fast way for air dominance
Which didn't work for long because he didn't have dreadlord to protect destros from upcoming gyros
finally more WC3
is human op now? they seem really strong all match ups.
they are
Human vs NE and Orc is pretty balanced actually, against UD Humans have an advantage but as you can clearly see from these series Undead are absolutely capable of taking games from them and winning.
Meanwhile UD vs NE is broken beyond repair to the point that wathing Happy or 120 going vs top Night Elves is a waste of time.
@@ab-qj3wo humans have all mathups 50%+. While ud-ne is 47-vs-53 in favor ud (thx to happy) - you consider it "broken beyond repair", while human-vs-ud is 55-vs-45 you consider "undead (happy) are absolutely capable of taking games".
@@nightyonetwothreenah Happy and 120 just stopms every NE for almost a year
@@nightyonetwothree Humans only do well for the last couple of months. UD stomp elves since forever.
MK rly needs teleport staff to get back into the fight.
Without towers human players would be zero. Technically so bad
SOOOOOK!!!!!!!!
♥ Why no play Happy vs Human, 1x 2x 3x Frostwyrm?? This is best vs Knight+Tank =) (Slow and Dmg! and controle too Zepeline Snip!) :) Frostwyrm + Destro is great!!!
guys i think remo wants frost armor, dunno just a feelin :D
game 3:so expansion was cancelled like 4 times and UD still had a chance?Any other race would've no chance whatsoever,there's clearly something wrong here u guys
You obviously don't understand how little penalty cancel is
Cry more
GG
GO SOK!!!
These lich openings became so one dimensional and boring, I feel like it gives human so much space to play rings around UD, selling tp, mindless push for exp even if it works HU late game still is way superior. I think DK first is still underrated with destro bust especially.
I would've love to see DL 1st really. Carrion swarm will take care of air counter and it would be easier to take out knights
No idea why Happy didn't build a second ziggurat before attempting the haunted mine.
When you nonstop nerf undead and buff human. Joke balance
Yea so balanced you need 1 whole expo more and its still that close...
@@ersatztutor yes, i think nowadays having 1 more expo does guarantee nothing, ud better be 2 expo ahead to retain control over game.
Humba.
Nerf statues
Хэппи мутант
patch HU is back. patch UD is dead. NE even deader with more nerfs. Orc int he middle of everything.
Human so imba vs Undead. Makes this stupid to watch. As if Sok is better player than Happy.
God you guys are such losers. Sok is an amazing player. Happy is a better player overall but Sok is still like consistently top 5 in the world. I guarantee you if you stop whining about everything your life will improve.
And I went through that myself back in the day, I used to be a grandmaster sc2 player and for years zerg was ridiculously underpowered. But even despite the underpoweredness lots of zergs (like myself) got stuck in the mental trap of learned helplessness where you just blame everything on balance rather than trying to strategically analyze.
balance whiner alert
@@rsk-1337 lol, zergs were underpowered? The most broken race since start of sc2. Dunno what's about nowadays, but it was clear favorite in wol, hots and start of the lotv. With less micro and macro required, zerg players dominate both asia and west scene.
@@nightyonetwothreeTerran was by far and away the best race in wol and it wasn't even kind of close
@@BinxyBrown there were 132 protoss, 141 zerg and 239 terrans in code S through all wol time. Only 3 toss won gf (2.272% succedd), terrans won 5 gf (2.092% succedd), zergs won 7 gf (4.965% succedd). Zergs have 2,5x more winrate than terran or protoss in the same competitive skillbracket. The only thing prottoss were able to do is all-in immortal push vs zerg. Same for terran - 2x 11rax or some pushes non stop or die to broodfestors.
In 2013 (last year of wol, peak wol skill performance) there were 50% of all code S players are zergs: 8 in no16, 4 in ro8, 3 in ro4, 2/2 in gf. Literally zergs were losing to zergs mostly.
Happy washed
First continues losses in like 10.. ”washed” lmao.
Dont get me wrong, i love that some other race gets the win but the man isnt washed
😂 that's wishful thinking
Human just have easy hardcounters to everything UD can throw at them
Human op af
Хэппи во второй катке сыграл через цыганскую тему-воровал коней!!(
I know Happy is a dominant player but I cant help but watch his games and root for him. I usually root for the underdog but I just never want to see Happy or Serral (for starcraft) lose.
bye bye Russia!
Im sure Happy is severely hurt by your statement, drowning his tears in all the price money he has won over the past 3 years :DDDD
Well, this aged well.
HEy guys, I'm new to this game. I have a question; why is this undead winning every fight, when he has 0-0 upgrades and less upgrades overall? Is this balance? Gee, I really must not understand the game, because this feels like the worst imbalance this game had for years. But hey, maybe UD is supposed to win those fights with mostly T1 units without upgrades against T3, double staff and severall upgrades...
I don't think hu vs ud is ridiculously human favored the way some commenters act, but humans def don't have the right to bitch about UD anymore. They're different races. UD has always felt ridiculous how just heroes and statues alone are ridiculously powerful. But yeah making a reductive argument of "t1 without upgrades vs t3" is vastly oversimplifying the complexity of the matchup
Would you rather have 1 3-3 upgrade unit or 4 0-0 upgrade units?
Tho 1-1 upgrade is quite underrated since they are cheap
Sucks