Thanks again for your food-for-thought... I greatly appreciate all your videos, and it's interesting to watch you search for just the right words and descriptions to help us better understand your theory...priceless !!
I appreciate that! I try to let people see how I think about racing. We spend a lot more time thinking about it than actually doing it! My style of racing/thinking/making videos is not for everyone, obviously. Thanks for commenting!
This is what put the light on in my head: when you said you go IN with weight forward and outside, then come OUT with weight back and inside! A lot of teachings are saying sit forward and outside
Thank you FTF20. I'm just starting out in AHRMA in Sportsman 750 on a BSA 650 OIF Ed Mabry framed bike. I've never gotten any instruction. So I'm taking notes and am going to try for this correct body position and weight shift going IN to the corner and coming OUT of the corner. I'm already having fun but am looking for more. Thank You Thank You Thank You
Great discussion on body position and how this inputs affects the bike. It totally makes sense and is a good tutorial for newer racers, keep up the great work!
I’m glad I finally found someone on TH-cam giving flat track lessons/advice. I’m new to the flat track world and could use all the advise I can take haha ! Just started at the end of last season and I’m riding a stock frame TT500. I’ve have never road a framer or DTX on a track. I’m trying to build more confidence going into the turns and trying to back it in, just seems my front in wants to push a bunch
Welcome aboard! It takes time. Film yourself to evaluate your body position and lean angle. You may not be as far forward or leaned as much as you think. It takes both to turn a motorcycle. Cheers!
Great discussion! Thanks for continuing on this topic. I will try to replicate that perception of the bike moving forward and away from me on the exits. I recently took a school and was told that I’m lifting my foot too early in my exits and occasionally low-siding in an attempt to get going faster, sooner (it’s racing, right?). I have a feeling that I’m lifting my foot where I should on the track, but not when I should in my turn progression. The instructor later informed me that I’m not initiating my turns (lean, and foot contact) soon enough. So now I’m focusing on “turning before I think I need to” in order to see where that puts my queues mid turn. So much to think about!
and my now 17 year old son on his r6 has no fear yet and hopefully and its not if you crash hard its when will still be alive to learn where that thin line is not being afraid after you crash hard is what makes you be the one out in front but liven on the edege is what makes you fast or makes you find a new hobby.........
That video helped me a lot. I tried Flat track for the first time yesterday, and it was a lot of fun. What scared me a bit, coming from a road racing background, is when the bike slid on both wheels outwards a bit. I did not crash, but it is just a scary moment I had to get used to :)
Thanks for sharing your experience. It would be extra extra cool to have your stream of conciousness playing over demos of riding so the beginners like me can see as well.🤩
Great subject. Always interested in body position pointers. I'm not a flat track racer but it's one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I have a bit of experience (bought a 90' Suzuki Katana 600 and rode it for about five years). Fast forward 25 years and I got the itch to ride again. I went out and bought a new 19' KTM 690 SMC R. About a month into ownership I wasn't enjoying the bike and felt that I made a mistake buying it. I told myself, give it more time and to see if my experience got better. Well, I'm glad I did because I absolutely fell in love with the bike and how it's improved my riding. Still have a lot to learn but the bike is an absolute hoot. I love how flickable the bike is and how it responds to rider input. Thanks for your insights and direction.
you have much more control and traction once your foot is back on the peg...and one big thing i think your not talking about is steering with the throttle i use to short track 3 wheelers and the throttle has so much to do with turning just like short track bikes and old school 2 stroke bikes had a compression release witch would set you up for the turn thats why the HD worked so good with out a release the v twin torque gives you the set up for the turn.. so dont for get about the throttle useing it is very imporant to much you slide out and at the wrong time its high side its a fine line with slide and traction ,,, but in my mind its what makes you win or loose...
Great vid but I am still confused about braking . How do you use the rear brake? is the brake used like in a brake slide? So that you go in too fast then hit the brake to get it sideways? or do you use it in the "straightline" just to slow it down? till now I just use the brake only to get into the pits
and any raceing keeping the throttle on just that sec or 2 longer than the guys in front ... to go fast you have to go in to the turn WAY OVER YOUR HEAD... its the thin line of haven the balls to live on the edge CRASH OR WIN.... ITS MORE LIKE CONTROLLED CHAOS.. thats why the fast riders usely aint as fast after they bail off good and hard and the ones that are still fast is kowing where that thin line is and hopefully learning not to push it past it lol
Hi seen several of your videos all great, my question is why can you actually sit on a motorcycle while you make position suggestions. rather than using your hands .
Good point! There's a couple of reasons. I think I'll do another "viewer questions" video and answer. Short answer: the bike isn't in the right orientation relative to the ground, or have the right suspension loading when static in the shop, which makes it look funny on camera. Thanks for taking the time to ask!
@@FlatTrackFactory thanks for prompt response, im 77 years old so watching your channel is pure entertainment/learning. i did though ride TT back in the late 60s, so i understand what you trying to explain
I think that a visual aid is needed to show what You are talking about. I'm sure that you have a few video's showing weight transfer and how you move your upper body and change your grip on the throttle. I'm an old 70yr old former racer I know what your talking about but someone new to this sport need's a little show to go along with your tell. Just my Thoughts.
Agreed. I priced it out. Track rental, insurance to cover lost filming day due to weather, film crew with drone upgrade, editing, etc... is about $2500 to do it right. Maybe someone will step up and sponsor the video. Till then, thanks for watching what I can do from my shop.
Thanks again for your food-for-thought... I greatly appreciate all your videos, and it's interesting to watch you search for just the right words and descriptions to help us better understand your theory...priceless !!
I appreciate that! I try to let people see how I think about racing. We spend a lot more time thinking about it than actually doing it! My style of racing/thinking/making videos is not for everyone, obviously. Thanks for commenting!
Great demonstrations. Trying to visualize or (conceptualize??) the fluid movement on the bike. Thank you again for the video
This is what put the light on in my head:
when you said you go IN with weight forward and outside, then come OUT with weight back and inside! A lot of teachings are saying sit forward and outside
Thank you FTF20. I'm just starting out in AHRMA in Sportsman 750 on a BSA 650 OIF Ed Mabry framed bike. I've never gotten any instruction. So I'm taking notes and am going to try for this correct body position and weight shift going IN to the corner and coming OUT of the corner. I'm already having fun but am looking for more. Thank You Thank You Thank You
Quit thinking and ride..
Spend time on the track.... It will come .
Great discussion on body position and how this inputs affects the bike. It totally makes sense and is a good tutorial for newer racers, keep up the great work!
I’m glad I finally found someone on TH-cam giving flat track lessons/advice. I’m new to the flat track world and could use all the advise I can take haha ! Just started at the end of last season and I’m riding a stock frame TT500. I’ve have never road a framer or DTX on a track. I’m trying to build more confidence going into the turns and trying to back it in, just seems my front in wants to push a bunch
Welcome aboard! It takes time. Film yourself to evaluate your body position and lean angle. You may not be as far forward or leaned as much as you think. It takes both to turn a motorcycle. Cheers!
Great discussion! Thanks for continuing on this topic. I will try to replicate that perception of the bike moving forward and away from me on the exits.
I recently took a school and was told that I’m lifting my foot too early in my exits and occasionally low-siding in an attempt to get going faster, sooner (it’s racing, right?). I have a feeling that I’m lifting my foot where I should on the track, but not when I should in my turn progression. The instructor later informed me that I’m not initiating my turns (lean, and foot contact) soon enough. So now I’m focusing on “turning before I think I need to” in order to see where that puts my queues mid turn.
So much to think about!
Flat Track must be at least 10 times harder than it looks. Maybe I'll figure it all out someday. Till then, repetition!
@@FlatTrackFactory agreed, and exactly why I’m drawn to it.
and my now 17 year old son on his r6 has no fear yet and hopefully and its not if you crash hard its when will still be alive to learn where that thin line is not being afraid after you crash hard is what makes you be the one out in front but liven on the edege is what makes you fast or makes you find a new hobby.........
You should have to swipe a credit card before you watch these videos. Excellent content.
Can you set that up for me? I'd just buy more cheater parts!
Thanks for the talk. I have definitely been tired out dragging that foot all the way around the short track. 😂 But learning is half the fun!
You got this!
That video helped me a lot. I tried Flat track for the first time yesterday, and it was a lot of fun. What scared me a bit, coming from a road racing background, is when the bike slid on both wheels outwards a bit. I did not crash, but it is just a scary moment I had to get used to :)
Awesome news! Welcome to Flat Track!
Thanks for sharing your experience. It would be extra extra cool to have your stream of conciousness playing over demos of riding so the beginners like me can see as well.🤩
Noted!
Thank you. I’m really enjoying this. More confident in my turning.
You got this!
Great subject. Always interested in body position pointers. I'm not a flat track racer but it's one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I have a bit of experience (bought a 90' Suzuki Katana 600 and rode it for about five years). Fast forward 25 years and I got the itch to ride again. I went out and bought a new 19' KTM 690 SMC R. About a month into ownership I wasn't enjoying the bike and felt that I made a mistake buying it. I told myself, give it more time and to see if my experience got better. Well, I'm glad I did because I absolutely fell in love with the bike and how it's improved my riding. Still have a lot to learn but the bike is an absolute hoot. I love how flickable the bike is and how it responds to rider input. Thanks for your insights and direction.
Great to hear you're tearing it up! Thanks for reaching out.
you have much more control and traction once your foot is back on the peg...and one big thing i think your not talking about is steering with the throttle i use to short track 3 wheelers and the throttle has so much to do with turning just like short track bikes and old school 2 stroke bikes had a compression release witch would set you up for the turn thats why the HD worked so good with out a release the v twin torque gives you the set up for the turn.. so dont for get about the throttle useing it is very imporant to much you slide out and at the wrong time its high side its a fine line with slide and traction ,,, but in my mind its what makes you win or loose...
......a little more involved than just turning left....👍
You can say that again!
Great vid but I am still confused about braking . How do you use the rear brake? is the brake used like in a brake slide? So that you go in too fast then hit the brake to get it sideways? or do you use it in the "straightline" just to slow it down? till now I just use the brake only to get into the pits
Great stuff again. Very helpful.
Glad you think so!
Nice. Keep em coming!
Thanks! Will do!
and any raceing keeping the throttle on just that sec or 2 longer than the guys in front ... to go fast you have to go in to the turn WAY OVER YOUR HEAD... its the thin line of haven the balls to live on the edge CRASH OR WIN.... ITS MORE LIKE CONTROLLED CHAOS.. thats why the fast riders usely aint as fast after they bail off good and hard and the ones that are still fast is kowing where that thin line is and hopefully learning not to push it past it lol
Hi seen several of your videos all great, my question is why can you actually sit on a motorcycle while you make position suggestions. rather than using your hands .
Good point! There's a couple of reasons. I think I'll do another "viewer questions" video and answer. Short answer: the bike isn't in the right orientation relative to the ground, or have the right suspension loading when static in the shop, which makes it look funny on camera. Thanks for taking the time to ask!
@@FlatTrackFactory thanks for prompt response, im 77 years old so watching your channel is pure entertainment/learning. i did though ride TT back in the late 60s, so i understand what you trying to explain
I think that a visual aid is needed to show what You are talking about. I'm sure that you have a few video's showing weight transfer and how you move your upper body and change your grip on the throttle. I'm an old 70yr old former racer I know what your talking about but someone new to this sport need's a little show to go along with your tell. Just my Thoughts.
Agreed. I priced it out. Track rental, insurance to cover lost filming day due to weather, film crew with drone upgrade, editing, etc... is about $2500 to do it right. Maybe someone will step up and sponsor the video. Till then, thanks for watching what I can do from my shop.
ONE WRONG MOVE CAN MAKE YOU FLAT LINE...