How To Make Rad Short Turns the Easy Way
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- In this how-to short turn on skis tutorial, we get to learn how you can make short turns from carved turns. A method that is not so common, but it improved my short turns forever. I hope it will improve your short turns too. Join a Camp for adults: stompitcamps.com/
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00:00 Intro
00:50 The Level 3 Story | The Issue With The Standard Approach
03:19 The Bottom-Up Approach To Short Turns
04:09 4 Skills to Get Right While Carving
04:25 Skill 1: Feel the Angulation
04:44 Skill 2: Feel the Upper Body Pointing Down the Hill
04:53 Skill 3: Feel the Cross Under
05:00 Skill 4: Feel the Aft-Mid-Fore
05:28 The Difference Between a Carved Turn and a Short Turn
05:48 The 5-5 Drill | How to Make Short Turns from Carved Turns
07:37 Look at Your Tracks | What Kind of Bananas?
08:45 Video Analysis | Carved and Short Turns
09:54 Re-think Rotation | Let Pressure Steer the Ski
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Thanks for leaving the wipe out in the video...we recreational skiers need the reminder that ice and inattention can happen to anyone.
Always try to keep some bloopers. Crashing is often the best part of skiing
I was just about to leave the same comment 😊. Like ur channel even more now❤
@@jmswng77 Thank you 🥰
@@StompItTutorialshahaha pain is gain! Thanks for the vid!
I think it was really cool of you not to cut out the part where you fell down. Reminder to all that even 'perfect' skiers make mistakes. Great videos...keep 'em coming. I've learned so much from your videos, and was able to apply the lessons successfully on the slopes. Thank you!
As a ski instructor for the past 53 years, I have enjoyed your videos over the past couple of years. I am very impressed by how much you have improved your skiing over the past year. This video shows a dramatic improvement in your skiing. It looks like you are spending more time on slalom skis now which I think helped your leap in skills.
Well done!
Thats amazing thank you very :) I put in about 15 days of training last winter then did the level 4. Great time and I can feel how much I improved.
Came to comment this. Massive improvements all around over even just the last season.
@@lkvt123 Thank you. Cant wait to train more and get better on all things ski related.
53 years WOW
I'm 52, have only skied 28 yrs. I'm so envious of you Master OG!
Now we're talking-Short Turns, this is what I've been about for over 20 yrs. I'll admit to having been a bit pig-headed single-minded in my skiing often. But no more! I'm broadening my horizons, taking on every challenge, and going for getting the most out of my skiing out of my aging body while I still can. You are so inspiring Jens and all, I can't thank you enough!
I've had group lessons for many years, but this is really next level. The simple tip of transitioning pressure from forwards to backwards during the curve (which I saw a year ago I think) really felt great.
Loving the aerial shots, really helps give another perspective on what we should be doing
Thank you 🙏 I’m glad you find it helpful as it takes a lot more time doing those too. 😀
how is he not pissing off the other skiers on the slope though? two people taking up a huge portion of the trail would irritate me...
Your videos are so helpful! I started skiing on Jan 2 this year and can carve down a blue run now and did my first black run last weekend. I was not so natural on day 1 but your videos have taught me everything I need to have so much fun since
At about 7:40 you had a near fall. When I switched to skiing on Mantra M5s a few years ago I had to teach myself to lift the inside ski in transition to turn on short turns. If I don’t then occasionally I’ll catch that inside edge and it will throw me. I can occasionally see you lift both heels when initiating that short in the transition. It’s the same technique I’ve had to learn in order to stay up on my skis. Hope this makes sense as I’m not a professional. Great channel! I watch all the time for tips and tricks and I’m in my mid 60s.
7:00 Great recovery! Nice to see that even the pros get a little dust on them once in a while.
Fantastic tutorial! There is a lot to unpack and practice here.
@6:59 No Jens, that actually was incredibly good. I have never seen a crash instantly turn into perfect switch skiing. That's pretty awesome.
Thank you :)
Hey Jens, This video really helped me yesterday. The part that was most beneficial was actually the part where you fell over and talked through the process. In part it helped me understand that everyone slips and partly the selection of positioning and skills to the conditions. Thanks for being real dude.
Thank you Nesh 😊
Excellent tutorial from you, Jens! Just love your skiing lessions. And kudos to your amazing photographer!
Bro I love that you guys kept your fall ! I coach young athletes (7 to 9 years old) and often have to remember them that we all fall, even the best of us. Because you know it hurts their feelings when they fall. That aside, I feel like you kinda were a bit too much on you interior ski. Thats pretty much what happens when I fall hahaha.
Wow, great video! I love how easy you make it look to make short turns. Your clear explanations and helpful demonstrations really helped me understand how to do it. Thank you for sharing such a valuable resource with the skiing community!
Thank you for that Philip! :D
Been skiing for 45 years great experience
Well shot video!
Would love to see tips, suggestions, comparison of performance with All Mountain skiis. I know it's different or harder with all mountain skiis to take similar quick or long C turns. While would love to see sort of comparison with All Mountain skiis on similar slope (non too icy) including Carv suggestions/stats/performance. I'm just a fan of All Mountain skiis. Thank you!
Pista spettacolare, complimenti per il video 👍👍
Great tutorial, love your explanations! Just a note, you might have fallen because your outer ski started lagging behind, so your weight shifted to your inner ski and it slipped. At least that's one of the first things my instructor for the level 2 exam said to be extra mindful of :)
Third time i watched this one. Good stuff! Can't wait for end of January in Aspen!
Love this video
Thank you 🙏
Even the best fall 🍺👍
Great video man!
Glad you liked it!
You did it on purpose innerski fail, but elegant. Greets from Finland 🇫🇮
Nice video Jens. Short turns are really coming along
Thank you Tom! Something clicked last winter just before getting the level 4 tech. I’m surprised to say it but I’m so into short turns.
@@StompItTutorials when they get to this point they are really such a fun rewarding challenge
@@Bigpictureskiing They sure are! 😎
That double Banana thing could be a game changer....definitely gonna use that as an approach for perfecting short turn this season :D
Good luck! Its cool to think about the bananas but what might help is to try to use the movements from the carved turns in the short turns. Thats atleast what was a game changer for myself.
Always cool when you have a new video! You didn't by any chance have Carv running when you fell? My guess is that you had too much weight on the inner ski. It looked an awful like the classical error the pros does in slalom.
First time I've heard the term "cross-under" for that fore-aft foot movement. Thanks!
Happy to help!
Thats a really awsome concept!! What confuses me is the forward movement. If the first third of the turn is carved, and only the second third is steered, does that nor mean I have to stay centered in the (carved) first third and not move forward at the start of the new turn? And you mentioned that “the body takes a shortcut” to get forward, I don´t get that (if the skis go to the outside and my body is”cutting” the turn will it not get to the back instead of the front)?
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Nice energy in this video
Tack Johan!
Thanks
Thank you Roman!
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Tack!
Is there particular speed needed to be able to perform short turns well?
You have S9 Redster skis, what edge angles do you prefer for carving?
What skis do you use for these demos? What’s the under foot width?
7:00 Nice recovery!
what ski are you on? what length and radius? Fis?
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Correct.
Thanks for this instruction. I often wonder if how-to-carve videos always have skiers on relatively narrow waisted/parabolic skis. But I ski in western Canada and all my skis are wide waisted. Do these instructions still apply or is it a waste of time with wider all-mountain skis ?
I'm 5'5" and I use these techniques with skis that are 93 wide and 189 long.
It's going to depend on the skis. Do they have a short radius for a pow ski? A lot of camber underfoot? Metal? I think you can use the same techniques with such skis. The results would be better on a dedicated carving ski though.
it's about the radius not the waist width. Width will add a slight delay adge to edge but since we're not racing it's not a big deal. Radius will determine if you can carve a turn with this shape (16m or less radius) or if you'll have to skid this shape turn no matter what (20m+). I ski on 3 skis for this reason, line blades, 181cm, 13.5m radius, armada stranger, 180cm, 15.8m radius and fatypus m5s, 188cm, 15m radius. The blades are the narrowest underfoot at 95 but also have the widest shovels. The armadas and fatypus are both 100mm+ underfoot.
Nice content as usual. What skis are you running on here ? 😎
Atomic S9 FIS
How much does the ski turn radius affect this drill? Thanks love the video!
It matters. 13-16R should be fine.
Awesome ⛷ tips!
Great job team, great cameraman work! 🎥
About to get my ☕ and watch again few times, to pause, carefully listen and enjoy!
What a lovely comment. Thank you very much :)
Where is this ski resort ?😊
Your goggles look awesome! Which brand/model is that?
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Hi! What kind of ski poles do you use? I'm also looking for ski poles that you can retract!
The Bentchetler Pole
What size are the skis your skiing on?
Jens, does the sharp steering movement cutting across the fall line create the weight shift toward the ski tips that at the same time releases the tails so that they skid a bit?
Not sure what you mean.
@@StompItTutorials Jens, I reviewed my question and can see that its confusing. I should be able to answer my own question performing a movement analysis. // Marshall
No, the moment you transition from turn to turn, the ski's actually carve. On the midpoint of the turn, the skis already slide. What causes the slide is your weight being forward in the turn.
Actually it's really easy to feel/replicate. If you shift your balance forward throughout the whole turn, your tails will slip. Just make turns with your balance way way forward.... you'll end up going backwards because your tails slip out while your tips go up the mountain.
The hard part is to find the balance: how much forward do you need for a little slip? And when will you shift balance backwards to your tails again, and at which rate to grip in time before the end of the turn? Because getting the tails to slide is quite easy, but most people with brushed turns cannot go into a full carve at the end of the turn because they slipped out too much. That is a very inefficient way as your transition gets slaughtered.
@@davesmulders3931 Dave, I don’t believe Jen's purpose was to create a skid. My understanding is skidding in a short radius turn is the result of overturning the skis, making the turn radius tighter than the inherent turning radius of the ski. I was questioning Jens because he said something about the steering action lightening the tails, which I didn't comprehend.
@@gogglebro9421 Yeah, you obviously miss the point I'm afraid. You lighten the tails, so that they skid. There is no other reason to lighten the tails.
How would you make the banana shape if you cannot skid the ski? The whole point of the video is to show a controlled skid in every turn, for smaller turn radius and additional speed control.
Any tips on what skis to test when i want a hard, short radius carver. ty ty
Any slalom type ski. Standard slalom is really fun but in this video I ski a FIS version of the Atomic S9. Very fun but I am just about good enough to handle it.
For anyone looking for a short-radius carver without having to deal with the demands and restrictions of an FIS slalom, I would recommend my two favorite carving skis. The Head e-SLR which has an 11.5 meter radius in a standard slalom length of 165 or the more versatile Head e-Original which has a 12.1 meter radius in a longer 170 length. Both have quick 66 mm waists and two sheets of metal without being overly stiff.
Hi I am an intermediate - advanced skier and am looking at buying my first set of skis I have been looking at the atomic bent 90, I ski all mountain occasionally going into some powder is that ski a good choice
Dude, you're definitely not an advanced skier if you've never owned skis, or haven't skied a lot of powder.
Try demo-ing some all mountain skis before taking the big plunge. Some shops apply your rentals to your purchase price.
I think you are still moving your arms too much, but like many other comments you have improved so much and its all coming together now😊 4:42
I only have park skis with underfoot filed down. I often wonder how it would feel to carve using normal skis. Does it feel much different?
yes! much more interested in getting on an edge, and then you can start to pressurise said edge :)
Is there anything for getting your non dominant side up to pace? My non-dominant sides are so much sketchier
Try nice slow short turns on 1 leg on the outside ski. Pay extra attention to your weaker leg.
@@StompItTutorials sorry not necassarily for carving, more for tricks 😅 im a confident carver
Which ski resort is this?
Hi, I wonder how tall are you and how long is your carv ski. What is the perfect length to manage ski so easy? Thanks! ;-)
A shorter ski will be easier to turn and be a lot of fun in perfect conditions. Longer skis will have a smoother ride, better edge grip on firm, icy slopes and generally be faster. The better your skills, the bigger you are and the faster you go will all point you towards a longer ski. For frontside carving purposes a 160cm would be short, a 180cm would be long. If you don't know where you stand on the spectrum go for a 170cm. Have fun!
Do I need to swap out my all mountain skis for piste skis to learn to carve properly? Im starting to think it's my limiting factor to further progress but it's probably my skiing and not the skiis?
I don’t personally think that you need to, but I’m no pro. Having a ski with a shorter turn radius (something like 17-19m) helps a lot in my opinion. Regardless of what ski you’re on you can always improve, don’t let yourself get too much into the mindset of thinking you need different equipment to get better. Keep at it!
Probably its your technique thats lacking and not the gear. Changing to a pure piste ski can help but you still need to put in the training.
i had this problem too, all mountain skis can carve but you gotta keep more speed going to actually get them to work properly. They're stiff and the side-cut radius makes a huge turn if u wanna carve without skidding.
@@jamesrosenberg1612 thanks. This makes a lot of sense to me. Have definitely been finding a need to pick up a lot of speed. I felt my long sweeping carves were okay but I've been struggling more with consistent short turns. I'm sure a better skiier could force the short turns but it's probably not optimal to learn this way...
I will keep at it regardless! But maybe I'll treat myself to some new skiis at some point :)
@@iceicebabys one thing that helped me was some exercises from triggerboy62 on how to carve low. Essentially being lower and more knee bent from the center position, makes it easier to get the skis on edge for short turns
What resort is this?
I'm skiing with my kids who are learning to ski at age 6 and 9. So I'm on the green runs a lot of the day. I like skiing on steep blue runs with short turns, but what can I do to have more fun skiing on the greens without leaving my kids in the dust?
@@nickhutchinson4024 I'm curious if there is a short turn style that could be done at a slower speed?
@@nickhutchinson4024 That's funny, I was just about to add a reply to ski backwards!
Do some drills. Try turns where you balance entirely on the outside ski and the inside ski is lifted 100% off the snow. If it's hard, then your balance is probably off. Alternately, try skiing only on one ski. Another option is to ski slowish parallel turns, focus on your edge change and see if you can get both skis to change edges at the same time and rate. That's a start. :)
What's the difference between a short turn and a carving turn? When should we use one over the other? What are the advantages of the short turn? It's a great tutorial but I was left with so many questions...
He mentioned it briefly when talking about couloirs. Short turns have much tighter radii (shorter turns), so you can control your speed in tight terrain like moguls, couloirs, trees, etc.
It's like a different gears for different terrain. You could consider short turns as low range on a 4x4. The idea is to keep control not have the speed run away.
Well it's quite easy to imagine. Carved turns are restricted in radius by the ski's radius, and are the most efficient as it is the way with the least friction. So when do you need short turns? When you want a shorter/tighter turn, and when you want to brush off some speed.
In a carved turn you can control speed by angulation in the lower part of the turn and effectively holding the turn longer in the lower part (in contrast to angulation in the top part: this will actually propel you down the hill faster). If that range of control of speed is not enough, you will need to do a short turn and litterally brush off speed with the tails of your ski. And the other obvious reason to use a short turn is when you are in a narrow space: you let your ski's slip at the back to make the turn shorter.
The third reason to use a short turn is when it is very icy. The angulation needed for your ski's to be able to come to their designed radius, is sometimes too flat for the grip you have on the hardpack/ice. So you'll effectively turn your 13m slalomskis into 35m GS skis. By sliding your tails, you can still maintain a shorter turn shape, while not having to risk your skis sliding away underneath of you. Like what happened to Jens.
It is true that you probably could make it stick/carve on icy hardpack, but you'll need to sharpen your skis every other day and probably run a 87 to 85 degree sidewall for that, and a consistent 0.5 degree tuning (not a radial tuning where it flares off). You need a torsion-stiff ski for that as well. You effectively then made your ski into a race ski and it'll only want to carve no matter the conditions. So that is why us mere mortals use a short turn.
Thank you all, for the insightful responses!
@@davesmulders3931 great explanation! Do you mind explaining what you meant about angulation in the top part making you go faster? I can kind of picture what you mean from personal experience but I’m trying to wrap my head around why it causes acceleration and not deceleration.
It is not all technique n my opinion. Skis that are designed with a shorter Radius Turn will naturally turn sharper, shorter turns if you are carving...not skidding your turns. To me, carving feels like I am turning on, or my skis are connected to a railroad track. In addition, exhale your breath, heavily, on every turn. Ask me if you wonder why. ..
for short turns most important is :you must push your hips forward ! that you need.
Whats ist the length of your skis? Thanks
165cm S9 FIS
@@StompItTutorials Thanks a lot
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What kind of skis and what radius?
I need help understanding the question? I rode a S9 FIS about 13m.
@@StompItTutorials ah I see, it's just that it seems like a lot of expert skier are demonstrating short turns on GS type skis with larger sidecut radius to help with the blending of edging and sliding, so I'm just very curious about the difference of doing short turns on short radius skis (say less than 16m) and doing short turns on long radius skis (say over 18m) is all about. Thanks
“ Whenever starting downhill or merging into a trail, look uphill and yield to others.”
Do they not have a skier responsibility code there?
Your absolutely right. I typically do it religiously when filming it sometimes get screwed up.
Bro please look up the hill before you start
hate those people xd
but love you
Your absolutely right. When filming my routine of doing so gets messed up occasionally. I´ll do better.
@@StompItTutorials Good on you Jens for accepting and learning from this across multiple comments. Takes a big man to say "I can do better"!
Angulation stopped, body leaned into the center of the turn, outside les became unweighted - hip check. I call them lazy turns, when you just get banky.
Look up the hill before you start your run Jerry
The skid is not wrong. We do look at it.
Your inner leg touched your outside leg when you crashed...
Dude... you're so back. You can see your tips lifting and diverging.
Yes and its fine but I am working on pulling it of without flying into the next one. See Marcel Hirscher here: th-cam.com/video/ardYbiGuFSg/w-d-xo.html
8:33 what's with the other folks on the hill? Is there simply not enough room on the slope that they need to buzz the tower of people stopped, jeez. 😩
Thought the same thing. There was a lot of space....
Great video, but please look out a bit more for other skiërs...
Thanks, will do!
not enough weight on outside ski easy fix
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Dude... ALWAYS look behind you to check it's safe before you set off. Twice in this video you make the skiers behind you take evasive action.
True, I messed up.
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I'm too lazy for this short turn crap. If I got to avoid a rock, I'll do it for sure; but, not all the time.
Haha I can relate. I used to feel a bit like you. As I´ve gotten better at it I love it as its an easy way to experience forces that I cant quite control on a normal slope :P But as you say not all the time, too tiring.
Очередной Идою, я крут но хрен вас научу
what's with this super annoying music???
What genre would you prefer?
So what's it like to be gay and think you can ski???
Thank you Jeremy thats constructive criticism. Im expecting my first child with my lady since 8 years and I continuously improve my skiing which I love to share on the internet, my mistakes and lessons I learned over the year. Rewarding to share what its like to do double corks to short turns.
Your next. What is is like to be you acting in such a nice way on the internet?