RIP to your mom......I hope you see this comment because....I just wanted to say.....I hope you find peace in your mothers passing......she's in a better place now......I also wanted to say I hope you have a great weekend ❤
Retired railroader here. Correction in terminology. A cab signal penalty brake application, at least in territory I operated over, did not result in an "emergency" brake application, but a penalty application, which is an automatically initiated brake application at a service rate until either the train comes to a stop or the air in the line is exhausted. The engineer has to move the automatic brake handle to "suppression" until the air quits exhausting. It can only be reset after the train is stopped for a given amount of time, usually a minute, then the Power Control Switch either automatically resets, or on older units, the engineer can press a reset button on the control stand, and can then release the automatic brake and recharge the train line.
Thats actually very cool where did you get the internship at? I'm also a train enthusiasts and It would be a dream job of mine to work for any railroad company. Not quite for driving a train cause I would have to be get my license first but working as a conductor as some sort would be cool.
@Thunderbolt 1000 Sorry to hear about your mom , I lost mine right before I turned 6 in 1990. I know it hurts right now and no the pain never fully goes away but it does get easier to deal with. We your fans are here for you and thank you for all the years of hard work you've put in to entertain/educate us. Life is to short and i got reminded of that recently when Hobo Shoestring died so I want to say thank you again before it's to late.
I remember hearing about this accident. I was born in 1946, and lived in Western Springs, about a block away from the CB&Q racetrack. When I was very young, I noticed the flashing yellow aspects on the CB&Q block signals. When I brought the flashing yellow aspects to the attention of my uncle, he told me that the CB&Q introduced them because of this wreck. He told me that the Exposition Flyer was following the Advance Flyer on the yellows, that the Advance Flyer stopped immediately beyond a signal that could not be seen very far in advance, because of a curve immediately preceding the signal.
No, not almost. The first diesel-electric railcar came out in Saxony (which is now part of Germany) in 1914, while the first proper locomotive was an Italian one built in 1922.
This is the Part that makes ME feel old. When I was little… 100 years ago was the Civil war… no lights, cars , planes and even the 1 st oil well was a recent thing.
Another great job on the documentary, I’ve actually never heard about the Naperville collision, but when i watched the video and now I understand why it hasn’t been talked or documented much until now. Sorry about what happened to your mother.
It's shocking how very little is known about it considering it's what permanently marred most high speed rail in America. Also yes. I'm still grieving from her passing everyday. The pain gets stronger everyday.
I lost my grandma last year and that just about broke me. She was the best, but I can only imagine how heartbreaking it would be to loose my own mom. I wish her a peaceful afterlife and I wish you all the best.
Once again, pal, you made another great documentary. I had no idea this accident even existed until today. But made the 45 victims of the accident and your mother rest in peace.
Definitely had never heard of this accident before. Spectacular work as always thunder. Would love to see you tackle the thompsontown PA Conrail collision and how fatigue plagues train crews
I can't even begin to imagine the the sheer blood-freezing horror that brakeman felt seeing the Exposition coming. Poor bastard probably never had a decent sleep ever again.
17:46 the largest railway museum in the world is in northern Illinois. Most are functional and can be ridden… Definitely a bucket list if you love old trains!
Used to live in Naperville, rode over the area where the crash happened many times. To this day, the crash is still talked about plenty of times in the area.
So, another piece of equipment survives from the wreck. The car was built in 1915 by Barney & Smith as a solarium-lounge car for the SP&S. It was purchased by the Burlington in 1934 as #220, Mississippi. Rebuilt in 1936 as a solarium-parlor car, renumbered to #340. Named Denver on the right side, Cheyenne on the left, for use on C&S trains #31-32. Converted to chair car #4811 during WWII, converted back to original configuration, renamed Mississippi and #220 in February 1946. Severely damaged in a collision of the Advance Flyer and Exposition Flyer at Napierville, Illinois. The car sat derelict at Aurora, IL for a number of years until it entered the Aurora car shops for conversion into an office car. It emerged from the shops in January 1953 as The Round Up looking much like a Budd built car. The car was sold to Canadian National in April 1972, resold to Bombardier Limited, resold to Ron Salisbury of Toronto Canada. Currently under private ownership at the Allentown & Auburn RR in Pennsylvania under the name "Northern Lights"
Good to know. Tracking down surviving rolling stock is such a pain in the neck hence why I only found 2. There could be more for all we know. Finding photos of them too was also difficult.
Hey thunder earlier today I learned about a train collision in Texas that happened back in 1997 the train themselves collided on a highway overpass. The collision is known as the Devine train collision you might want to check it out
Love how you uncover many accidents that some people don't even know nowadays. May your mum and the 45 victims of this crash rest in peace. Greetings from the UK.
You forgot a survivor to your list, the Mississippi still exist today. It was rebuilt by the railroad into a stainless steel business car. This car currently resides on the Allentown And Auburn Railroad in Kutztown Pennsylvania, and is known as the northern lights.
Surprised at how local that is. Finding documents on surviving rolling stock let alone photos of that time period is insanely difficult and the older the wreck, the harder it gets.
Excellent overview and summation - very comprehensive and complete! Keep up the great work please!! Some RRs adopted and installed ATS at great costs. Other RRs that did not adopt ATS were limited to 79mph as seen in their speed limit signs across their system of mainlines. Lastly, headways between trains were increased, use of radios became standard, flares and torpedoes were given a extra review on their use, and LW cars like Budd's CZ cars became prevalent by the mid-50s. These LW cars protected the occupants better since during a derailment, they had less of a battering ram effect compared to HW cars. Tightlock couplers saved lives also.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenSo why didn't the Exposition Flyer run on one of the outside tracks? Or stop just before touching the rear end of the Advanced Flyer?
@ExpressRailfan did you watch the video? There wasn't any way to switch it off the track, they were following 2 minutes behind so itd wouldn't be long until they hit, and at his speed there was no way in hell he would of stopped in time especially if he was in service braking and not dumping the air (emergency) but even then they'd still hit em. Accident was doomed to happen.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenYou're quite right, Thunderbolt. I can make a documentary of that too. And remember what you just said. Even though I am a good narrator.
I live 14 miles out of Naperville. (I reside on the Mendota subdivision), the old folks of Naperville have always said that they can’t believe how such an accident in such a small city (at the time) could happen. You did a fantastic job documenting this. And they actually have a memorial dedicated to the derailment. And they also recently added a little spot dedicated to train-spotters. P.S: Consider making a documentary of a derailment that happened in Montgomery, IL. Approx. 2 miles out of Aurora. It happened in September 27, 1964 when a Kansas City Zephyr train collided head-on onto a Rock Island train. It’s another tragedy well-known around the Naperville-Aurora area.
Thanks for this video and all the rest from your channel. Just wanted to say I took my daughters to Union Illinois Rail Road Museum years ago and thought it outstanding. I haven't been back since but that's my loss and would like to get there for another visit as well as Galesburg's Rail Road Days celebration which I only learned about last year.
The car Mississippi is still around, it now resides at the Allentown and Auburn in kutztown Pennsylvania as the “Northern Lights” and was rebuilt with stainless steel cladding overtop of the steel car. Walking through the car you would never know it was involved in this pretty big derailment and that car itself had deaths inside.
Correct. The MISSISSIPPI was rebuilt at CB&Q's Aurora Shops into the open-platform office car THE ROUND UP. As you mentioned, it was completely sheathed in fluted stainless steel over its steel body, making it one of the heaviest (and smoothest riding) passenger cars on the rails, not far behind the heavily-armored Presidential rail car FERDINAND MAGELLAN. After the BN merger it was sold into private ownership, having several subsequent owners and homes (including Canada) before coming to Kutztown, PA.
The crash in Folkston Georgia you're referring to, from what I heard so far, had PTC turned off for signal maintenance and trains were operating on dispatcher permission by radio. A misaligned switch was therefore not noticed until too late. This comment is based on what I heard so far, so I apologize in advance if anything I said was incorrect. The accident happened just twelve days ago.
Back in the forties my mom and grandma were on a bus on a trip from Southern Illinois when it crashed killing everyone but them. Mom walked away and grandma broke her foot
Wonderful work on the documentary (not biased at all since I remember asking for it a lot, lol). Always felt this wreck in particular deserved a little more attention due to its fallout
The wounds of the past few weeks namely my mother's passing will never heal but I have grown to live with it better now. I still wish cancer didn't take her so soon.
My grandma was almost in this. If she wasn’t late (to catch one of the trains) I wouldn’t be able to talk to her and hear her lovely voice. Thank you for covering this because she mentioned it but I don’t know much about this.
I read many years ago that it was a common C.B.& Q. practice at the time for following trains to run at speed on the yellow of the proceeding train or section.
The problem with three-signals (green-yellow-red) is that a following train one block behind will have a yellow signal (next signal red). If it matched the speed of the lead train, it will always have yellow signals, and the engineer might expect this to continue.. If the lead train stops, the following train will not know until it sees the red signal with possibly the train just past it.
We had that problem in the UK too, when the automatic warning that rings in the cab was the same as for red or yellow (or 2x yellow too, IIRC, which was used for 'the next one is single yellow') . In fog, which we used to get a lot of around London, drivers running on busy commuter routes just got accustomed to cancelling the warning, and then cancelled it for a red, with horrible results.
I’m glad they saved one of the E-units; they’re quite attractive with the silver coloring of the CB&Q as well as the streamlined look. I wonder if anyone ever found what came off the stopped train?
That stainless steel body is such a vibe. Would love to see it in person one day. The reports never specified if they found anything or not so it's hard to say. I do think they should of took the train further though namely the station. I had an incident somewhat similar to what happened on the Advance Flyer that wasn't mentioned in the video from my experience where I worked on a tourist RR (Only difference was there was no train behind us) during a christmas excursion our coach lost power but instead of an immediate stop (right near a rock cut) I told my engineer "stop at the village" (A location we use sometimes for weddings and what not) which was just less than a mile further up the track. He agreed and we stopped there so we could jump down on a good spot to investigate (as I thought the generator had shut down) & to the passengers it looks like a station stop (despite the announcment of why we stopped) turns out the 240V plug to the generator somehow got yanked by something on the right of way and there was no more plug (nothing but wires). We had to run an extension cable from the next car ahead (Cafe) to get lighting back in the coach. Learned a lot that day as I was a student conductor at the time. We never found the plug nor what the hell hit it.
I’m so sorry about the loss of your mother, nobody should have to suffer a loss that hard, i just hope your life gets better soon.. -peace and love from a huge fan, Crewwfox
Great video. Nice you did a video on this accident, cause I only found out about it a few months ago. Maybe you can do you a video about the Metro-North train crash on May, 17? 11 anniversary of the collision. Keep up the good work.
Nice job! Definitely a bit "Over built", but that's not a bad thing! Nice area! Had to look it up on Google Maps...Looks like there's a couple cozy places for food & drink nearby...Enjoy! Happy Holidays!
Sammy with Trains & Ships @Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions Could you please do a documentary on the September 5, 1956 Robinson, N.M. Train Collision?
At 17:45 you mention engine number 9911A, named the Silver Pilot, as the sole surviving E5. The way it sounded was that 991A was involved in the crash. It took me a few minutes to figure out that you meant 9911A is the only EMD E5 still around. Maybe you should have mentioned 9911A at the end of when you were telling about the equipment involved in the crash. But this is your channel. Run it as you please. This was just an observation.
I still found it odd that out of all the E7s, only one survived into preservation, even though the E8 and E9 produced few numbers of units....that to me is weird.
I was wondering if Thunderbolt will make a documentary on more Japanese train wrecks, I would be intrested in seeing that and the only one he did cover was Amagaski
Good work on your Video about the Naperville Train Collision of 1946, Maybe in the Future you could make a Video on CB&Q'S 992a & 992b, when you have the time & day to release it on the day it crashed again in 1964.
The Trainz routes? Quite a few were used. 1 was a Download station NJT baseboard modified by removing the catanary, 2nd was one of the CityRail routes from PacificTrainzgroup, the main wreck scene used a slightly modified version of the NS Opeya District route by flamerailzzz trainz, The Chicago Racetrack route (too small for the wreck recreation) was a DLS find, and the Corridor route is the old Trainzproroutes (stock on Trainz 12, can be found on DLS) is that I backdated to fit the time period that has shown up before in my documentary on the Congressional wreck however an updated version is in the works by some good folk I'm in contact with.
If you are taking suggestions can you do that one amtrak crash with the sdp40fs that happened in 1977? i dont know what its called but i can find pictures when i search amtrak crash 1977
Man. I can't imagine what the rear brakeman went through mentally, knowing that he caused the very thing he was trying to prevent. And the Fireman who was going to die while trying not to die? Weird ironic coincidences to say the least.
I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I lost mine December 29th, 2019 to the flu, her COPD didn't help. I still miss her everyday. It's kinda funny I find out this fact now in this video because my mom actually lived in Naperville when she was a kid, and her grandfather worked on the Soo Line as a switchman
I can remember trainmen carried flares. They were lit and thrown spiking the ties when slowing. Flares should have been thrown when the call was made to stop. Nearly a mile away.
First and the most important thing, I'm sorry for you loss. RIP to your mother. I hope you and your family are doing well, and are be able to find peace. As for the subject in question, when it comes to mixing heavyweight equipment and lightweight equipment in the same consists. Mixing of both types of equipment would be a regular occurance right up to Amtrak. The CB&Q even mixed heavyweights with its gallery cars in commuter service into the late 60s. One can argue the lightweight passenger cars were built strictly to supplement the existing heavyweight equipment, and they did to a degree. There were many rebuilds on heavyweight equipment by the railroads, and even Pullman themselves capitalized on rebuilding heavyweights. The rebuilds included roller bearings, tightlock couplers, sealed windows, lowered ends to match the lightweight passenger cars, etc.
Can you look into the cta " L" accident of 1977 when a lake dan ryan train collided with a ravenswood train during rush hour causing 4 cars of the lake dan ryan train to plummet to a intersection in downtown chicago killing 11 people injured 100s
You should do the wreck night of the Southern Pacific when the switchman for no apparent reason through the switch for the train coming tap into the siding of his train😮
RIP to your mom......I hope you see this comment because....I just wanted to say.....I hope you find peace in your mothers passing......she's in a better place now......I also wanted to say I hope you have a great weekend ❤
When did this happen? :'( I don't see him saying anything about it
@@HeroduothecomedianIt's in a video on his channel titled 'Fly High, Mom!'
Well said @Alex-jf9ij
@@Heroduothecomedian She passed last November after a long battle with Stage 4 breast cancer.
I hope you can recover @Thunderbolt_1000_Siren
Retired railroader here. Correction in terminology. A cab signal penalty brake application, at least in territory I operated over, did not result in an "emergency" brake application, but a penalty application, which is an automatically initiated brake application at a service rate until either the train comes to a stop or the air in the line is exhausted. The engineer has to move the automatic brake handle to "suppression" until the air quits exhausting. It can only be reset after the train is stopped for a given amount of time, usually a minute, then the Power Control Switch either automatically resets, or on older units, the engineer can press a reset button on the control stand, and can then release the automatic brake and recharge the train line.
I just picked my internship! 2 more years and i can begin training to become a train driver. 5 year old me would be super proud of me now 🙏
*Noice~!! Where at? Amtrak?*
Nah. NS. Nederlandse Spoorwegen.@@EMD_F59PHI
No. The NS. (Nederlandse Spoorwegen)@@EMD_F59PHI
I plan to be a railroad conductor for Metra when I’m older
Thats actually very cool where did you get the internship at? I'm also a train enthusiasts and It would be a dream job of mine to work for any railroad company. Not quite for driving a train cause I would have to be get my license first but working as a conductor as some sort would be cool.
Fun Fact: as the Naperville Metra station, they have a memorial dedicated to the accident, it’s a nice tribute to the people who died in the accident
@Thunderbolt 1000 Sorry to hear about your mom , I lost mine right before I turned 6 in 1990. I know it hurts right now and no the pain never fully goes away but it does get easier to deal with.
We your fans are here for you and thank you for all the years of hard work you've put in to entertain/educate us.
Life is to short and i got reminded of that recently when Hobo Shoestring died so I want to say thank you again before it's to late.
I subscribed to you
I remember hearing about this accident. I was born in 1946, and lived in Western Springs, about a block away from the CB&Q racetrack. When I was very young, I noticed the flashing yellow aspects on the CB&Q block signals. When I brought the flashing yellow aspects to the attention of my uncle, he told me that the CB&Q introduced them because of this wreck. He told me that the Exposition Flyer was following the Advance Flyer on the yellows, that the Advance Flyer stopped immediately beyond a signal that could not be seen very far in advance, because of a curve immediately preceding the signal.
To realize the diesel electric is almost 100 years old is the hard part.
No, not almost. The first diesel-electric railcar came out in Saxony (which is now part of Germany) in 1914, while the first proper locomotive was an Italian one built in 1922.
Just wait til the realization hits that the steam locomotives ruled the rails for roughly 130 years in the US
This is the Part that makes ME feel old. When I was little… 100 years ago was the Civil war… no lights, cars , planes and even the 1 st oil well was a recent thing.
@@AGSGuymeanwhile in Britain, steam started in the early 1800s, on the mainline it ended in the 1960s, while Industrial steam continued into the 1980s
Another great job on the documentary, I’ve actually never heard about the Naperville collision, but when i watched the video and now I understand why it hasn’t been talked or documented much until now.
Sorry about what happened to your mother.
It's shocking how very little is known about it considering it's what permanently marred most high speed rail in America.
Also yes. I'm still grieving from her passing everyday. The pain gets stronger everyday.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Sirenhow many people are crush to death or injured
I lost my grandma last year and that just about broke me. She was the best, but I can only imagine how heartbreaking it would be to loose my own mom. I wish her a peaceful afterlife and I wish you all the best.
Sorry about your Grandma, I have lost both my grans, I miss them loads also ❤ From Leeds England
Once again, pal, you made another great documentary. I had no idea this accident even existed until today. But made the 45 victims of the accident and your mother rest in peace.
Great documentary! One of the trains had a really interesting consist, with the refrigerator car.
Definitely had never heard of this accident before. Spectacular work as always thunder. Would love to see you tackle the thompsontown PA Conrail collision and how fatigue plagues train crews
God those voices during the recreation only added to the sense of dread as the collison loomed. Incredible work!
I can't even begin
to imagine the the sheer blood-freezing horror that brakeman felt seeing the Exposition coming. Poor bastard probably never had a decent sleep ever again.
17:46 the largest railway museum in the world is in northern Illinois. Most are functional and can be ridden… Definitely a bucket list if you love old trains!
It's good to see that you're uploading again. Hope everything is well in your life. I hope you found peace after your mother passed away.
Used to live in Naperville, rode over the area where the crash happened many times. To this day, the crash is still talked about plenty of times in the area.
So, another piece of equipment survives from the wreck.
The car was built in 1915 by Barney & Smith as a solarium-lounge car for the SP&S. It was purchased by the Burlington in 1934 as #220, Mississippi.
Rebuilt in 1936 as a solarium-parlor car, renumbered to #340. Named Denver on the right side, Cheyenne on the left, for use on C&S trains #31-32.
Converted to chair car #4811 during WWII, converted back to original configuration, renamed Mississippi and #220 in February 1946.
Severely damaged in a collision of the Advance Flyer and Exposition Flyer at Napierville, Illinois.
The car sat derelict at Aurora, IL for a number of years until it entered the Aurora car shops for conversion into an office car. It emerged from the shops in January 1953 as The Round Up looking much like a Budd built car.
The car was sold to Canadian National in April 1972, resold to Bombardier Limited, resold to Ron Salisbury of Toronto Canada.
Currently under private ownership at the Allentown & Auburn RR in Pennsylvania under the name "Northern Lights"
Good to know. Tracking down surviving rolling stock is such a pain in the neck hence why I only found 2. There could be more for all we know. Finding photos of them too was also difficult.
Hey thunder earlier today I learned about a train collision in Texas that happened back in 1997 the train themselves collided on a highway overpass. The collision is known as the Devine train collision you might want to check it out
Hard to believe an Aldi was there 78 Years Ago !
The first Aldi store in America opened in 1976!!! What are you looking at??
It’s what GWR Studios would call a “Goof!”
(Goof SFX)
Love how you uncover many accidents that some people don't even know nowadays. May your mum and the 45 victims of this crash rest in peace. Greetings from the UK.
Sorry for your loss😢 glad to see you back😊
Only read the accident on Wikipedia, thanks for making this and I didn’t expect this. Keep up the disaster series!
You forgot a survivor to your list, the Mississippi still exist today. It was rebuilt by the railroad into a stainless steel business car. This car currently resides on the Allentown And Auburn Railroad in Kutztown Pennsylvania, and is known as the northern lights.
Surprised at how local that is. Finding documents on surviving rolling stock let alone photos of that time period is insanely difficult and the older the wreck, the harder it gets.
Thunderbolt even though very tragic events do a tremendous job on the stories. Love it but sadden. Keep up good work.
Excellent overview and summation - very comprehensive and complete! Keep up the great work please!! Some RRs adopted and installed ATS at great costs. Other RRs that did not adopt ATS were limited to 79mph as seen in their speed limit signs across their system of mainlines. Lastly, headways between trains were increased, use of radios became standard, flares and torpedoes were given a extra review on their use, and LW cars like Budd's CZ cars became prevalent by the mid-50s. These LW cars protected the occupants better since during a derailment, they had less of a battering ram effect compared to HW cars. Tightlock couplers saved lives also.
I suppose the tightlock couplings are what we call 'buckeyes' in the UK. Very much safer than the old type.
Glad to help you out!
You collabing in some way or another with moi was long overdue XD
Lmao
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenSo why didn't the Exposition Flyer run on one of the outside tracks? Or stop just before touching the rear end of the Advanced Flyer?
@ExpressRailfan did you watch the video? There wasn't any way to switch it off the track, they were following 2 minutes behind so itd wouldn't be long until they hit, and at his speed there was no way in hell he would of stopped in time especially if he was in service braking and not dumping the air (emergency) but even then they'd still hit em. Accident was doomed to happen.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenYou're quite right, Thunderbolt. I can make a documentary of that too. And remember what you just said. Even though I am a good narrator.
I live 14 miles out of Naperville. (I reside on the Mendota subdivision), the old folks of Naperville have always said that they can’t believe how such an accident in such a small city (at the time) could happen. You did a fantastic job documenting this. And they actually have a memorial dedicated to the derailment. And they also recently added a little spot dedicated to train-spotters.
P.S: Consider making a documentary of a derailment that happened in Montgomery, IL. Approx. 2 miles out of Aurora. It happened in September 27, 1964 when a Kansas City Zephyr train collided head-on onto a Rock Island train. It’s another tragedy well-known around the Naperville-Aurora area.
My neighbor was alive when this happened and told me about how they wouldn’t let kids go to the station to avoid tramatization
This is accident I had no idea about! Thanks
We’ll done video. It was cool that I was able to learn about an event like this from the town I was born in. Thanks.
Thanks for this video and all the rest from your channel. Just wanted to say I took my daughters to Union Illinois Rail Road Museum years ago and thought it outstanding. I haven't been back since but that's my loss and would like to get there for another visit as well as Galesburg's Rail Road Days celebration which I only learned about last year.
I grew up in Burbank, Illinois, some 40 miles east of Naperville, but I'm not quite 78 years old yet.
The car Mississippi is still around, it now resides at the Allentown and Auburn in kutztown Pennsylvania as the “Northern Lights” and was rebuilt with stainless steel cladding overtop of the steel car. Walking through the car you would never know it was involved in this pretty big derailment and that car itself had deaths inside.
Correct. The MISSISSIPPI was rebuilt at CB&Q's Aurora Shops into the open-platform office car THE ROUND UP. As you mentioned, it was completely sheathed in fluted stainless steel over its steel body, making it one of the heaviest (and smoothest riding) passenger cars on the rails, not far behind the heavily-armored Presidential rail car FERDINAND MAGELLAN.
After the BN merger it was sold into private ownership, having several subsequent owners and homes (including Canada) before coming to Kutztown, PA.
Another great documentary T-Bolt! Good job!
The crash in Folkston Georgia you're referring to, from what I heard so far, had PTC turned off for signal maintenance and trains were operating on dispatcher permission by radio. A misaligned switch was therefore not noticed until too late. This comment is based on what I heard so far, so I apologize in advance if anything I said was incorrect. The accident happened just twelve days ago.
Back in the forties my mom and grandma were on a bus on a trip from Southern Illinois when it crashed killing everyone but them. Mom walked away and grandma broke her foot
Naperville is about an hour from me. Used to go there frequently. And my dad used to live in Aurora, so this is really close to home
Wonderful work on the documentary (not biased at all since I remember asking for it a lot, lol). Always felt this wreck in particular deserved a little more attention due to its fallout
Indeed. That's my main goal with these videos. To preserve their history and make sure the stories are never forgotten.
i havent watched you in a year, also R.I.P Your Mom
Favorite channel for trains!! Srry about ur mom bro stay strong!! She wouldn't want yiu sad be stromg! Keep going!
I was inspired by you to make a TH-cam channel. you have a wonderful channel. Amazing job on these videos. You are a wonderful soul. Great job!
But, I did hear about your mom. I know its tough. Most of us viewers have been there. She is in a better place now. you still are an amazing soul
Welcome back friend! Glad to see you active and healing ❤ we love you! Your videos have been entertaining since your beginning!
The wounds of the past few weeks namely my mother's passing will never heal but I have grown to live with it better now. I still wish cancer didn't take her so soon.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenRespect.
My grandma was almost in this. If she wasn’t late (to catch one of the trains) I wouldn’t be able to talk to her and hear her lovely voice. Thank you for covering this because she mentioned it but I don’t know much about this.
Oh wow! What a stroke of luck
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenI've also discovered another music you can use in another train wreck documentary.
So, being late for or missing the train DOES have an upside after all, and that's as far as safety is concerned should the worst happen.
I read many years ago that it was a common C.B.& Q. practice at the time for following trains to run at speed on the yellow of the proceeding train or section.
Now that's just reckless...
Thanks again for the content
My pleasure!
always excited to see a new collision doc from you bro. Hope you're doing well and hanging in there.
The problem with three-signals (green-yellow-red) is that a following train one block behind will have a yellow signal (next signal red). If it matched the speed of the lead train, it will always have yellow signals, and the engineer might expect this to continue.. If the lead train stops, the following train will not know until it sees the red signal with possibly the train just past it.
Hence why there's so many aspects. The others even cover diverging paths.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenWould they still be running mixed heavyweight, and lightweight trains?
We had that problem in the UK too, when the automatic warning that rings in the cab was the same as for red or yellow (or 2x yellow too, IIRC, which was used for 'the next one is single yellow') . In fog, which we used to get a lot of around London, drivers running on busy commuter routes just got accustomed to cancelling the warning, and then cancelled it for a red, with horrible results.
I love Your Videos keep up the good work.
You did mentioned the wreck at montgomery with the rock island,that can be used for a new video
17:51 more often than not paired up with the Nebraska Zephyr articulated trainset
I’m glad they saved one of the E-units; they’re quite attractive with the silver coloring of the CB&Q as well as the streamlined look. I wonder if anyone ever found what came off the stopped train?
That stainless steel body is such a vibe. Would love to see it in person one day.
The reports never specified if they found anything or not so it's hard to say. I do think they should of took the train further though namely the station. I had an incident somewhat similar to what happened on the Advance Flyer that wasn't mentioned in the video from my experience where I worked on a tourist RR (Only difference was there was no train behind us) during a christmas excursion our coach lost power but instead of an immediate stop (right near a rock cut) I told my engineer "stop at the village" (A location we use sometimes for weddings and what not) which was just less than a mile further up the track. He agreed and we stopped there so we could jump down on a good spot to investigate (as I thought the generator had shut down) & to the passengers it looks like a station stop (despite the announcment of why we stopped) turns out the 240V plug to the generator somehow got yanked by something on the right of way and there was no more plug (nothing but wires). We had to run an extension cable from the next car ahead (Cafe) to get lighting back in the coach. Learned a lot that day as I was a student conductor at the time. We never found the plug nor what the hell hit it.
5:21 gratuitous KFC product placement XD
18:13 Only for 9920A, to end up in *another accident*
I was not even expecting that
I’m so sorry about the loss of your mother, nobody should have to suffer a loss that hard, i just hope your life gets better soon..
-peace and love from a huge fan, Crewwfox
I love your documentaries man. This definitely will be great
What an amazing documentary!
Glad to see you back man
Great video. Nice you did a video on this accident, cause I only found out about it a few months ago. Maybe you can do you a video about the Metro-North train crash on May, 17? 11 anniversary of the collision. Keep up the good work.
Nice job! Definitely a bit "Over built", but that's not a bad thing!
Nice area! Had to look it up on Google Maps...Looks like there's a couple cozy places for food & drink nearby...Enjoy! Happy Holidays!
I’m really sorry about your mother’s passing but we all die. Great documentary and never knew about this awful collision
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Could you please do a documentary on the September 5, 1956 Robinson, N.M. Train Collision?
At 17:45 you mention engine number 9911A, named the Silver Pilot, as the sole surviving E5.
The way it sounded was that 991A was involved in the crash. It took me a few minutes to figure out that you meant 9911A is the only EMD E5 still around.
Maybe you should have mentioned 9911A at the end of when you were telling about the equipment involved in the crash. But this is your channel. Run it as you please. This was just an observation.
Another amazing video
Thanks
Thank you for making this Thunderbolt.
great video. No one tells these documentaries better. Keep it up
I always think back at Moorgate when I see a video of yours.
We hope you the best😄😉
I still found it odd that out of all the E7s, only one survived into preservation, even though the E8 and E9 produced few numbers of units....that to me is weird.
I was wondering if Thunderbolt will make a documentary on more Japanese train wrecks, I would be intrested in seeing that and the only one he did cover was Amagaski
WOW!!!! I didn't even know about this till now. :(
Sweet! Never seen this wreck before!
Was that your voice acting at 4:40 because that was pretty good acting
No that was Raillashup productions. One of the train wreck documentary guys inspired by my work. A collab with him was long overdue.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren ooohh ok
What a video!! Well made I love it! Keep up the good work!
I saw photos and got curious
It’s great that there is now a documentary
Anytime you upload, you always deliver
Very nice work!
Good work on your Video about the Naperville Train Collision of 1946, Maybe in the Future you could make a Video on CB&Q'S 992a & 992b, when you have the time & day to release it on the day it crashed again in 1964.
If I can find more information on it then yes it'll maybe be a video in future.
Awesome story. Sorry to hear about your mom. Hope she's smiling at you from up there.
Thunderbolt's mom, God bless you. You were a very great mother to Thunderbolt.
Every time I hear a train accident people die in a devastating fate being crushed by the impact or drowning
I lived near and went to school in Naperville. I never heard about this before!
I grew up in Naperville. We pronounced the factory Cray ler
I am so sorry your mom. I am here for you.
I dont know if NJ transit trains have PTC, but they go 100mph on the northeast corridor. Great ride.
I am actually going to be at galveston tx rr museum tomorrow through sunday. Will have to check that car out.
Wheres the route from? It looks nice. Also great work as usual! And sorry what happened to your mom.
The Trainz routes? Quite a few were used. 1 was a Download station NJT baseboard modified by removing the catanary, 2nd was one of the CityRail routes from PacificTrainzgroup, the main wreck scene used a slightly modified version of the NS Opeya District route by flamerailzzz trainz, The Chicago Racetrack route (too small for the wreck recreation) was a DLS find, and the Corridor route is the old Trainzproroutes (stock on Trainz 12, can be found on DLS) is that I backdated to fit the time period that has shown up before in my documentary on the Congressional wreck however an updated version is in the works by some good folk I'm in contact with.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren Thank you so much!
18:46 pretty cool I live only 10 minutes from the only existing E7!
45 for me
That’s not bad at all. Love your channel, keep it up!!!
E5 Was Traded for Sd40-S and both were after that specifically shortly thereafter
If you are taking suggestions can you do that one amtrak crash with the sdp40fs that happened in 1977? i dont know what its called but i can find pictures when i search amtrak crash 1977
Man. I can't imagine what the rear brakeman went through mentally, knowing that he caused the very thing he was trying to prevent.
And the Fireman who was going to die while trying not to die? Weird ironic coincidences to say the least.
Can you do the kismet train collision? And maybe even a remastered ver one day?
Kismet is possible
YEEEEE
I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I lost mine December 29th, 2019 to the flu, her COPD didn't help. I still miss her everyday.
It's kinda funny I find out this fact now in this video because my mom actually lived in Naperville when she was a kid, and her grandfather worked on the Soo Line as a switchman
I can remember trainmen carried flares. They were lit and thrown spiking the ties when slowing. Flares should have been thrown when the call was made to stop. Nearly a mile away.
First and the most important thing, I'm sorry for you loss. RIP to your mother. I hope you and your family are doing well, and are be able to find peace.
As for the subject in question, when it comes to mixing heavyweight equipment and lightweight equipment in the same consists. Mixing of both types of equipment would be a regular occurance right up to Amtrak. The CB&Q even mixed heavyweights with its gallery cars in commuter service into the late 60s.
One can argue the lightweight passenger cars were built strictly to supplement the existing heavyweight equipment, and they did to a degree. There were many rebuilds on heavyweight equipment by the railroads, and even Pullman themselves capitalized on rebuilding heavyweights. The rebuilds included roller bearings, tightlock couplers, sealed windows, lowered ends to match the lightweight passenger cars, etc.
Can you look into the cta " L" accident of 1977 when a lake dan ryan train collided with a ravenswood train during rush hour causing 4 cars of the lake dan ryan train to plummet to a intersection in downtown chicago killing 11 people injured 100s
Did they ever find out what flew off the advanced flyer?
Wasn't mentioned so I don't know if they did
You should do the wreck night of the Southern Pacific when the switchman for no apparent reason through the switch for the train coming tap into the siding of his train😮
5:01 *Brakes screeches*
Dude, tell me about it
I grew up in Naperville, had no idea this accident was ever a thing.