Naperville Train Collision 78 years later
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- Signals, you're life depends on the train crew following them and being correct and if they aren't followed they can lead to haunting consequences. But this accident was a lot more than just a train not properly following signals... it'd kill the future of America's High Speed rail and would start the decline of American rail travel even before the highway invasion.
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RIP to your mom......I hope you see this comment because....I just wanted to say.....I hope you find peace in your mothers passing......she's in a better place now......I also wanted to say I hope you have a great weekend ❤
When did this happen? :'( I don't see him saying anything about it
@@HeroduothecomedianIt's in a video on his channel titled 'Fly High, Mom!'
Well said @Alex-jf9ij
@@Heroduothecomedian She passed last November after a long battle with Stage 4 breast cancer.
I hope you can recover @Thunderbolt_1000_Siren
Retired railroader here. Correction in terminology. A cab signal penalty brake application, at least in territory I operated over, did not result in an "emergency" brake application, but a penalty application, which is an automatically initiated brake application at a service rate until either the train comes to a stop or the air in the line is exhausted. The engineer has to move the automatic brake handle to "suppression" until the air quits exhausting. It can only be reset after the train is stopped for a given amount of time, usually a minute, then the Power Control Switch either automatically resets, or on older units, the engineer can press a reset button on the control stand, and can then release the automatic brake and recharge the train line.
I just picked my internship! 2 more years and i can begin training to become a train driver. 5 year old me would be super proud of me now 🙏
*Noice~!! Where at? Amtrak?*
Nah. NS. Nederlandse Spoorwegen.@@EMD_F59PHI
No. The NS. (Nederlandse Spoorwegen)@@EMD_F59PHI
I plan to be a railroad conductor for Metra when I’m older
Thats actually very cool where did you get the internship at? I'm also a train enthusiasts and It would be a dream job of mine to work for any railroad company. Not quite for driving a train cause I would have to be get my license first but working as a conductor as some sort would be cool.
Fun Fact: as the Naperville Metra station, they have a memorial dedicated to the accident, it’s a nice tribute to the people who died in the accident
To realize the diesel electric is almost 100 years old is the hard part.
No, not almost. The first diesel-electric railcar came out in Saxony (which is now part of Germany) in 1914, while the first proper locomotive was an Italian one built in 1922.
Just wait til the realization hits that the steam locomotives ruled the rails for roughly 130 years in the US
This is the Part that makes ME feel old. When I was little… 100 years ago was the Civil war… no lights, cars , planes and even the 1 st oil well was a recent thing.
@@AGSGuymeanwhile in Britain, steam started in the early 1800s, on the mainline it ended in the 1960s, while Industrial steam continued into the 1980s
@Thunderbolt 1000 Sorry to hear about your mom , I lost mine right before I turned 6 in 1990. I know it hurts right now and no the pain never fully goes away but it does get easier to deal with.
We your fans are here for you and thank you for all the years of hard work you've put in to entertain/educate us.
Life is to short and i got reminded of that recently when Hobo Shoestring died so I want to say thank you again before it's to late.
I subscribed to you
Another great job on the documentary, I’ve actually never heard about the Naperville collision, but when i watched the video and now I understand why it hasn’t been talked or documented much until now.
Sorry about what happened to your mother.
It's shocking how very little is known about it considering it's what permanently marred most high speed rail in America.
Also yes. I'm still grieving from her passing everyday. The pain gets stronger everyday.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Sirenhow many people are crush to death or injured
Hard to believe an Aldi was there 78 Years Ago !
God those voices during the recreation only added to the sense of dread as the collison loomed. Incredible work!
Once again, pal, you made another great documentary. I had no idea this accident even existed until today. But made the 45 victims of the accident and your mother rest in peace.
Great documentary! One of the trains had a really interesting consist, with the refrigerator car.
Definitely had never heard of this accident before. Spectacular work as always thunder. Would love to see you tackle the thompsontown PA Conrail collision and how fatigue plagues train crews
It's good to see that you're uploading again. Hope everything is well in your life. I hope you found peace after your mother passed away.
Hey thunder earlier today I learned about a train collision in Texas that happened back in 1997 the train themselves collided on a highway overpass. The collision is known as the Devine train collision you might want to check it out
Used to live in Naperville, rode over the area where the crash happened many times. To this day, the crash is still talked about plenty of times in the area.
I lost my grandma last year and that just about broke me. She was the best, but I can only imagine how heartbreaking it would be to loose my own mom. I wish her a peaceful afterlife and I wish you all the best.
Sorry about your Grandma, I have lost both my grans, I miss them loads also ❤ From Leeds England
My neighbor was alive when this happened and told me about how they wouldn’t let kids go to the station to avoid tramatization
17:46 the largest railway museum in the world is in northern Illinois. Most are functional and can be ridden… Definitely a bucket list if you love old trains!
So, another piece of equipment survives from the wreck.
The car was built in 1915 by Barney & Smith as a solarium-lounge car for the SP&S. It was purchased by the Burlington in 1934 as #220, Mississippi.
Rebuilt in 1936 as a solarium-parlor car, renumbered to #340. Named Denver on the right side, Cheyenne on the left, for use on C&S trains #31-32.
Converted to chair car #4811 during WWII, converted back to original configuration, renamed Mississippi and #220 in February 1946.
Severely damaged in a collision of the Advance Flyer and Exposition Flyer at Napierville, Illinois.
The car sat derelict at Aurora, IL for a number of years until it entered the Aurora car shops for conversion into an office car. It emerged from the shops in January 1953 as The Round Up looking much like a Budd built car.
The car was sold to Canadian National in April 1972, resold to Bombardier Limited, resold to Ron Salisbury of Toronto Canada.
Currently under private ownership at the Allentown & Auburn RR in Pennsylvania under the name "Northern Lights"
Good to know. Tracking down surviving rolling stock is such a pain in the neck hence why I only found 2. There could be more for all we know. Finding photos of them too was also difficult.
My grandma was almost in this. If she wasn’t late (to catch one of the trains) I wouldn’t be able to talk to hear and hear her lovely voice. Thank you for covering this because she mentioned it but I don’t know much about this.
Oh wow! What a stroke of luck
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenI've also discovered another music you can use in another train wreck documentary.
So, being late for or missing the train DOES have an upside after all, and that's as far as safety is concerned should the worst happen.
Thunderbolt even though very tragic events do a tremendous job on the stories. Love it but sadden. Keep up good work.
Glad to help you out!
You collabing in some way or another with moi was long overdue XD
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@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenSo why didn't the Exposition Flyer run on one of the outside tracks? Or stop just before touching the rear end of the Advanced Flyer?
@ExpressRailfan did you watch the video? There wasn't any way to switch it off the track, they were following 2 minutes behind so itd wouldn't be long until they hit, and at his speed there was no way in hell he would of stopped in time especially if he was in service braking and not dumping the air (emergency) but even then they'd still hit em. Accident was doomed to happen.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenYou're quite right, Thunderbolt. I can make a documentary of that too. And remember what you just said. Even though I am a good narrator.
I can't even begin
to imagine the the sheer blood-freezing horror that brakeman felt seeing the Exposition coming. Poor bastard probably never had a decent sleep ever again.
Sorry for your loss😢 glad to see you back😊
I grew up in Burbank, Illinois, some 40 miles east of Naperville, but I'm not quite 78 years old yet.
Love how you uncover many accidents that some people don't even know nowadays. May your mum and the 45 victims of this crash rest in peace. Greetings from the UK.
Excellent overview and summation - very comprehensive and complete! Keep up the great work please!! Some RRs adopted and installed ATS at great costs. Other RRs that did not adopt ATS were limited to 79mph as seen in their speed limit signs across their system of mainlines. Lastly, headways between trains were increased, use of radios became standard, flares and torpedoes were given a extra review on their use, and LW cars like Budd's CZ cars became prevalent by the mid-50s. These LW cars protected the occupants better since during a derailment, they had less of a battering ram effect compared to HW cars. Tightlock couplers saved lives also.
Another great documentary T-Bolt! Good job!
This is a well done program, Thanks
This is accident I had no idea about! Thanks
I’m so sorry about the loss of your mother, nobody should have to suffer a loss that hard, i just hope your life gets better soon..
-peace and love from a huge fan, Crewwfox
We’ll done video. It was cool that I was able to learn about an event like this from the town I was born in. Thanks.
i havent watched you in a year, also R.I.P Your Mom
Only read the accident on Wikipedia, thanks for making this and I didn’t expect this. Keep up the disaster series!
always excited to see a new collision doc from you bro. Hope you're doing well and hanging in there.
Back in the forties my mom and grandma were on a bus on a trip from Southern Illinois when it crashed killing everyone but them. Mom walked away and grandma broke her foot
I’m really sorry about your mother’s passing but we all die. Great documentary and never knew about this awful collision
Thunderbolt's mom, God bless you. You were a very great mother to Thunderbolt.
Wonderful work on the documentary (not biased at all since I remember asking for it a lot, lol). Always felt this wreck in particular deserved a little more attention due to its fallout
Indeed. That's my main goal with these videos. To preserve their history and make sure the stories are never forgotten.
Every time I hear a train accident people die in a devastating fate being crushed by the impact or drowning
I was inspired by you to make a TH-cam channel. you have a wonderful channel. Amazing job on these videos. You are a wonderful soul. Great job!
But, I did hear about your mom. I know its tough. Most of us viewers have been there. She is in a better place now. you still are an amazing soul
Thank you for making this Thunderbolt.
Welcome back friend! Glad to see you active and healing ❤ we love you! Your videos have been entertaining since your beginning!
The wounds of the past few weeks namely my mother's passing will never heal but I have grown to live with it better now. I still wish cancer didn't take her so soon.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenRespect.
Favorite channel for trains!! Srry about ur mom bro stay strong!! She wouldn't want yiu sad be stromg! Keep going!
What an amazing documentary!
Man. I can't imagine what the rear brakeman went through mentally, knowing that he caused the very thing he was trying to prevent.
And the Fireman who was going to die while trying not to die? Weird ironic coincidences to say the least.
I love Your Videos keep up the good work.
I love your documentaries man. This definitely will be great
You forgot a survivor to your list, the Mississippi still exist today. It was rebuilt by the railroad into a stainless steel business car. This car currently resides on the Allentown And Auburn Railroad in Kutztown Pennsylvania, and is known as the northern lights.
Surprised at how local that is. Finding documents on surviving rolling stock let alone photos of that time period is insanely difficult and the older the wreck, the harder it gets.
WOW!!!! I didn't even know about this till now. :(
The problem with three-signals (green-yellow-red) is that a following train one block behind will have a yellow signal (next signal red). If it matched the speed of the lead train, it will always have yellow signals, and the engineer might expect this to continue.. If the lead train stops, the following train will not know until it sees the red signal with possibly the train just past it.
Hence why there's so many aspects. The others even cover diverging paths.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenWould they still be running mixed heavyweight, and lightweight trains?
I grew up in Naperville. We pronounced the factory Cray ler
We hope you the best😄😉
The car Mississippi is still around, it now resides at the Allentown and Auburn in kutztown Pennsylvania as the “Northern Lights” and was rebuilt with stainless steel cladding overtop of the steel car. Walking through the car you would never know it was involved in this pretty big derailment and that car itself had deaths inside.
Correct. The MISSISSIPPI was rebuilt at CB&Q's Aurora Shops into the open-platform office car THE ROUND UP. As you mentioned, it was completely sheathed in fluted stainless steel over its steel body, making it one of the heaviest (and smoothest riding) passenger cars on the rails, not far behind the heavily-armored Presidential rail car FERDINAND MAGELLAN.
After the BN merger it was sold into private ownership, having several subsequent owners and homes (including Canada) before coming to Kutztown, PA.
great video. No one tells these documentaries better. Keep it up
Awesome story. Sorry to hear about your mom. Hope she's smiling at you from up there.
I read many years ago that it was a common C.B.& Q. practice at the time for following trains to run at speed on the yellow of the proceeding train or section.
Now that's just reckless...
Glad to see you back man
Sweet! Never seen this wreck before!
I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I lost mine December 29th, 2019 to the flu, her COPD didn't help. I still miss her everyday.
It's kinda funny I find out this fact now in this video because my mom actually lived in Naperville when she was a kid, and her grandfather worked on the Soo Line as a switchman
I always think back at Moorgate when I see a video of yours.
Sorry for your lose buddy I am always be her for u pal
Great video. Nice you did a video on this accident, cause I only found out about it a few months ago. Maybe you can do you a video about the Metro-North train crash on May, 17? 11 anniversary of the collision. Keep up the good work.
Another amazing video
Thanks
You did mentioned the wreck at montgomery with the rock island,that can be used for a new video
I am so sorry your mom. I am here for you.
I still found it odd that out of all the E7s, only one survived into preservation, even though the E8 and E9 produced few numbers of units....that to me is weird.
Anytime you upload, you always deliver
I saw photos and got curious
It’s great that there is now a documentary
Naperville is about an hour from me. Used to go there frequently. And my dad used to live in Aurora, so this is really close to home
What a video!! Well made I love it! Keep up the good work!
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Could you please do a documentary on the September 5, 1956 Robinson, N.M. Train Collision?
That must be terrifying
Yes my trapped wind tonight via exactly the same, I can feel a huge fart bubbling 🆙
I’m glad they saved one of the E-units; they’re quite attractive with the silver coloring of the CB&Q as well as the streamlined look. I wonder if anyone ever found what came off the stopped train?
That stainless steel body is such a vibe. Would love to see it in person one day.
The reports never specified if they found anything or not so it's hard to say. I do think they should of took the train further though namely the station. I had an incident somewhat similar to what happened on the Advance Flyer that wasn't mentioned in the video from my experience where I worked on a tourist RR (Only difference was there was no train behind us) during a christmas excursion our coach lost power but instead of an immediate stop (right near a rock cut) I told my engineer "stop at the village" (A location we use sometimes for weddings and what not) which was just less than a mile further up the track. He agreed and we stopped there so we could jump down on a good spot to investigate (as I thought the generator had shut down) & to the passengers it looks like a station stop (despite the announcment of why we stopped) turns out the 240V plug to the generator somehow got yanked by something on the right of way and there was no more plug (nothing but wires). We had to run an extension cable from the next car ahead (Cafe) to get lighting back in the coach. Learned a lot that day as I was a student conductor at the time. We never found the plug nor what the hell hit it.
Rip to the 45 victims who died in this tragic accident, and Rip for your mom. None of them deserved their fates so early.
Good work on your Video about the Naperville Train Collision of 1946, Maybe in the Future you could make a Video on CB&Q'S 992a & 992b, when you have the time & day to release it on the day it crashed again in 1964.
If I can find more information on it then yes it'll maybe be a video in future.
Very nice work!
The crash in Folkston Georgia you're referring to, from what I heard so far, had PTC turned off for signal maintenance and trains were operating on dispatcher permission by radio. A misaligned switch was therefore not noticed until too late. This comment is based on what I heard so far, so I apologize in advance if anything I said was incorrect. The accident happened just twelve days ago.
I grew up in Naperville, had no idea this accident was ever a thing.
This was a great video, keep it up! I'm glad these videos still happen even though your mom just passed. I hope you can recover and get better, and remember, your mom is in a better place🙂
This is scarier then my profile.
Wow. Very well put together history. The end was beautiful. Thank you.
18:13 Only for 9920A, to end up in *another accident*
I was not even expecting that
I lived near and went to school in Naperville. I never heard about this before!
Fun fact: The speed limit of 79 miles per hour, if applied during the wreck, would have saved ZERO lives. The Exposition Flyer would have been slowed down by 1mph by the law. It still would have slammed into the other train at high spoed.
truely amazing safety regulations! good job government!!!!
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I still never fully understood that. I would of questioned it during the video otherwise. Though I think that's because some railroads including CB&Q operated at max of 90-100mph too. Either way yeah 79mph didn't change anything. He just didn't acknowledge the approach properly. If I were an engineer I'd cut my speed the minute the signal was in view, not after passing it.
First and the most important thing, I'm sorry for you loss. RIP to your mother. I hope you and your family are doing well, and are be able to find peace.
As for the subject in question, when it comes to mixing heavyweight equipment and lightweight equipment in the same consists. Mixing of both types of equipment would be a regular occurance right up to Amtrak. The CB&Q even mixed heavyweights with its gallery cars in commuter service into the late 60s.
One can argue the lightweight passenger cars were built strictly to supplement the existing heavyweight equipment, and they did to a degree. There were many rebuilds on heavyweight equipment by the railroads, and even Pullman themselves capitalized on rebuilding heavyweights. The rebuilds included roller bearings, tightlock couplers, sealed windows, lowered ends to match the lightweight passenger cars, etc.
Back when I used to watch these (and i still do today), I always went: woah, that was cool! But now, I see it’s more darker than you think. I guess my days in Derail Valley May end soon, lol.
Rest In Peace to your mother, also. Hope she does well after death.
The accident that changed North American railroads forever!
That Warehouse is still there to this day
Ladies in the cafeteria made sandwiches.
I was wondering if Thunderbolt will make a documentary on more Japanese train wrecks, I would be intrested in seeing that and the only one he did cover was Amagaski
E5 Was Traded for Sd40-S and both were after that specifically shortly thereafter
18:46 pretty cool I live only 10 minutes from the only existing E7!
45 for me
That’s not bad at all. Love your channel, keep it up!!!
Rewatching. That fireman had an appointment in Samarra.
OMG IM A BIG FAN OF UR DOCUMENTARYS THANK YOU FOR POSTING A NEW ONE
I can remember trainmen carried flares. They were lit and thrown spiking the ties when slowing. Flares should have been thrown when the call was made to stop. Nearly a mile away.
Your documentaries are very informative. Keep up the good work👍
A repeat of the Bagley collision
You should do the wreck night of the Southern Pacific when the switchman for no apparent reason through the switch for the train coming tap into the siding of his train😮
I finally found this channel after for a bunch of years, I’m so sorry about your mom, i know that she was a good person, i’m sorry. fly high thunder’s mom.