For me, the ideas in th-cam.com/users/postUgkxAfqpMLyFn37qcqUl0FAzqkkycQeXqrhP Plans were a starting point for building different sheds . Ryan gives ideas that allow an individual to draw nicest conclusions into the design and building of his or her own shed.
Reminds me of a job I did some years back runnin drainage from a school playing field through some back gardens to connect into a manhole on the road. On digging the trench through the garden discovered they'd buried a number of old asbestos roofing sheets. Anyway I've done the courses for low risk asbestos (for previous jobs) put the overalls mask gloves on etc bagged and double bagged the asbestos all taped etc. Took to the disposal yard I'd used before and they wouldn't take it. It was all u have to register be this be that pay this blah blah. Ended up passing it onto an old firm I'd done work for to chuck into asbestos skip f £50.00. How can the HSE expect things to be done correctly when they put all this red tape stopping people from doing so? No wonder it gets dumped down old country lanes!!! It's all a con trying to filter every last drop of money us hard workers make , wrapped up in the lie of health an safety.
I got rid of 4 sheets of corrugated asbestos a few years ago at our local tip. Had to apply for a permit online, which was easy. I double bagged it in polythene and printed out "warning! Asbestos" signs that I taped to it, as per the requirements. When I took it to the tip, they opened up the container and in there were several sheets of the stuff wrapped in sheets, duvets, curtains etc! So much for all the effort I went to. I note that they suited someone up and misted water over the container doors as they opened it, but I didn't get anything to wear as I carried it in!!!
I've done the same, dump helper even commented how light it was as the weight was mostly plastic sheets. But What sadens me is for domestic they make it easy to prevent obvious dangerous fly tiping. but for a pro they still charge silly money. I've met pros who have an old domestic car just for dumping asbestos. Of course it's official that if they ban other less harmfull waste such as plasterboard and compost. normal domestic people start to fly tip so the council (serco) walk a fine line of charge or extra fly tip. Which is more profitable?
I did just the same 10 bags of the stuff, O sorry sir you can only have 5 per mouth 😮 dumped 5 there and went to the next dump and got rid or the rest, the worst part was the opening in the sealed container was about 1800 off the floor so you had to lift the bags up and shave them in and you could here them smash down on top of the rest of the stuff, health and safety 😂
I appreciate your channel as a practical and thoughtfully presented DIY source.Many thanks Roger. My Dad had mining related Asbestosis. A horrid disease. Perversely, I'm now in my 60's and have had a lung pleurodesis performed, thought to be related to asbestos exposure 40 years ago flying in air force jets. There's a lot of folklore around about this stuff of course, but I'd personally recommend avoiding any exposure and just pay the money. Take care.
As Roger says - if it’s kept wet the fibres can’t escape into the air. His flue pipe job was probably about the limit for non specialist removal (potential for heat damage loose fibres etc). The toilet stack example will probably dismantle so nothing needs to be broken.
I found after decades of painting my asbestos guttering, that acryllic paint with fibres, such as cromopol, actually sticks and stays for years, has been waterproof - painted gutter inside and out - then I used a nice black gloss over it - very smart - it does a good job of binding and sealing the asbestos surface, couple of thick coats might even do a small crack
Just like Roger, I'm an old fashion retired plumber, easy I would have ripped it down put it in a bag , broke it further down in the bag, and straight to the dump with all the rest of the crap, put up a plastic push fit soil system all in a day toilet back in and operational, days pay £70 + materials, job done customer happy, next job, that's how it is, when your self employed.
Unless it really pains you I would leave the stuff where it is, If leaking from the "collar" inject it with CT1 or something similar, anywhere else, small cracks roofing tar sealer, bigger cracks wrap in cheap fibreglass from halfords or car body filler. Plaster it with black gloss and forget about it.
My son replaced his old corrugated asbestos garage roof with a rubber one. He carefully removed the nails so the sheets were intact and flogged 'em for a good price. There's still a demand for them for repairs etc and saved him a massive disposal cost. As others have said, there's a lot of hysteria over the cement based stuff.
My dear old Dad died 25 years ago from a lung cancer called mesothelioma caused by asbestos. He was a carpenter and diagnosed with the disease at 76 and passed away 4 years later. 4000 people a year die from breathing in asbestos fibres and it remains the biggest single cause of work related death in the UK. Dad's generation were not aware of the dangers of working with asbestos, going to work everyday to provide for his family .PLEASE DO NOT TREAT ASBESTOS LIGHTLY AS IT CAN TAKE MANY YEARS TO MANIFEST ITSELF. Many thanks Roger for your brilliant channel.
That's a pretty fair assessment of how things stand with some good advice for the average homeowner. Asbestos cement is a low risk asbestos product but with so much conflicting advice around and high prices being charged people are worried about either being ripped off or getting the job done cheap by some rogue contractor. Its not easy.
See my comment above. Asbestos cement can contain brown asbestos which is 100 times more dangerous than white asbestos. You can't visually tell. You need to take a sample and get it lab tested.
Jeez how times change, in the 70s as the ‘young lad’ at a local hospital maintenance dept I was tasked with the pre painting prep of all the asbestos gutters and down pipes when the exterior redecs came about. Some days I looked like a fekkin snowman, covered with the dust that I had studiously rubbed down before applying an alkali resisting primer, even the insides got a wire brush and two coats of black bitumen. The poor chap Don who worked in the boiler room with all its asbestos cladding died before retirement of lung cancer…. But that may have been the sixty fags a day he chain smoked. I think asbestos removal is a con, as sensible precautions, as you do roger, gets the job done for a fraction of the cost.
Sounds like you were working on cement asbestos whereas the stuff used in boiler rooms as insulation is the blue or brown asbestos, that stuff is lethal.
@@telstar4772 The snow in the wizard of Oz was asbestos. You should see the extremes they go to to removing asbestos artex. Inject it, it’s like a scene from Chernobyl
The UK Government should be covering the cost of Asbestos disposal. It's literally criminal behavior on behalf of the authorities, seeing as they approved the use of it in the first place. There's SO much of it still in place here in the UK; domestic properties, loads on farm and industrial buildings.
I think you mean the 'Tax Payer' should be covering the cost. Whenever I switch on the radio these day there is somebody being interviewed and they are saying the Government should be providing funding.
@@SkillBuilder Sadly the Government would indeed pass the cost onto us tax paying plebeians, however that's down to the structure of the Government as is, ie. one that is structurally f*cked where tax owed by large companies is not paid. That's a whole other story/problem though. Best not tune into the likes of Jeremy Vine and other conservative party fuelled drivel.
@@SkillBuilder I agree. I think the government should do what they do in Italy providing 110% grants for insulating your home, fightring a heat pump and solar. Pays for itself and the taxpayer benefits 😁
To carry out the job I think was under priced by about £300 . To take away the asbestos I think was over priced by about £550 . Just saying , anyway eagerly waiting for responses 😮😊
As long as it’s not smashed to dust and bagged properly double wrapped it’s not a hard job! Price wasn’t off the charts was it 😂 And the end point so true a builder friend of mine got a call from council one day to say his kitchen units and rubble was sat at the traffic lights outside Chelsea football ground Apparently they lifted the tipper on the red light and dropped the lot 🤦🏻♂️
You can repair it with fibreglass sheet and resin. I would do it for £350 about 70 - 100 £ for material but do not sand it but use acetone and clean it well first should remove the paint just put a rag around it and soak it in acetone and then a bag. It shouldn't cost a £1,000 to dispose of it, I don't believe it's the harmful asbestos blue or brown it's cement asbestos I would have thought!!! What you don't even need special disposal for that asbestos ? I could be wrong! Law might have changed, but you can get special asbestos bags and take it down your big waste disposal tip they have a bin especially for asbestos, not your local tip but the big one near you.
In the 70's when I was young we used to do our own car maintenance, when brake shoes were asbestos and no one knew its danger, we used to change the shoes ourselves, take the drum off and blow all the dust out. Then there was the time me and dad demolished our old asbestos cement panel garage with hammers ...... happy days ...... cough cough ........ ☠
I replaced one contacted the local recycling plant they supplied bags I baged it up and dropped it off no charge from the council has for a £1000 that's ridiculous for a days work
A good squirt of expanding foam into the pipe, wet the outer surfaces water or oil, bag over and take apart and don't forget to use the correct respirator (EN140}, not a cheap dust mask, but a FFP3 (EN149) and gloves, eye protection with coverall, job done ! ..... It gets through all ways into the body, not just the lungs !!!
£1000 is definitely a fair price in the south east... For everyone that thinks it's overpriced, customers don't just hire someone's hands for labour, they're hiring your van, your tools, your PPE, and in this case your health in 50 years! The biggest sting is the ridiculous commercial waste prices. In Kent, waste transfer prices for commercials are decided on the spot by staff, if you don't like the price, you don't get to tip ! The only way they justify their prices, is that fly tipping is illegal.. Overall if you want a contractor to remove & dispose down here, you've got a day on site and a day messing around with the local councils to get rid of it !
This can be removed rapped and boxed and arrange hazardous waste collection service. £1000 labour is just right. Because one professional skilled person and 2nd semi skilled.
£1000 is cheap. Recently priced a job like this £1350 plus vat. Bear in mind some local authorities like ours have a policy of no vans in the recycling centres.
Biggest workplace killer in the UK. 5500 people per year die. 150 school teachers since 2017. For every school teacher who dies, 5 pupils will die later in life. It can't be destroyed so it is like nuclear waste, except unlike nuclear waste it's not in our homes, schools, hospitals etc.
Asbestos is a naturally occurring fibrous silicate mineral. There are six types, all of which are composed of long and thin fibrous crystals, each fibre being composed of many microscopic "fibrils" that can be released into the atmosphere by abrasion and other processes. Inhalation of asbestos fibres can lead to various dangerous lung conditions, including mesothelioma, asbestosis, and lung cancer. As a result of these health effects, asbestos is considered a serious health and safety hazard. It usually takes many years before you begin to suffer from the effects of exposure to the fibres you will then suffer an extremely painful death, so it is not something to play. Back in the 1950’s through to the 1980’s farmers used corrugated asbestos sheets to build barns cheaply & quickly to build barns. During handling, cutting, drilling etc a lot of dust was/is produced. Not only did they breath in the dust there work clothes got covered in the dust. They would then go home take off there work clothes stick in the laundry basket, then there wives would pick the clothes up give them a good shake to get rid of the dust. Every time they did this they also breathed in the dust. The result of this was a great number of farm workers and there wives developed mesothelioma, asbestosis, and lung cancer and died as a result.
Hi Roger. I’ve recently took my old prefab garage down, we removed 12 cement sheets, double wrapped them and took them to my local tip (Wakefield Council in this case). You had to book them in but that was hassle free and the chaps at the tip couldn’t be more helpful, hats off to them. I was quoted £600 and I managed it for around £75 for masks, coveralls and visqueen. 100% worth doing yourself, just take care and be sensible.
Wakefield Council obviously knows that they way to stop fly tipping of hazardous materials is to make it pain free to get rid of them through legitimate routes. I wish my council would learn that lesson.
Wise words. The customer is liable for inappropriate disposal of waste, so it's vital it's handled professionally and not by a chancer. A bit of pragmatism goes a long way, particularly where its exterior cementitious asbestos, wearing PPE, its wetted and handled carefully
Many years ago my father in law and his brother had a summer job emptying asbestos out of ships hull. 50 years later it killed my father in law but his brother is still alive 20 years on.
@@Capricorn_IV I think the guys were handling it at the ports- it was probably "bagged" for use in the motor industry (clutch linings etc, rope and gasket manufacture)
I’ve painted corrugated asbestos roofs for the council with fibres paint like acropol, good luck to the next guy. I’ve no idea over the years and before I knew about the dangers what I’ve been exposed to. 💀😮💨😮💨
Met a bloke who dumped white asbestos in a skip without a thought. Never wore a mask either. Dead of lung cancer aged late 50s. His youngest brother never recovered. Gutted.
yep, the russians, having at least one mineful of it used it everywhere , and carried on long after most western govts had banned the use in construction etc,.
Assuming u are not grinding at the asbestos & causing plumes of dust that you are then freely & deeply inhaling through your mouth & not doing this on a daily basis there is very little cause for concern. That pipe can easily be hacked out with a masonry chisel & lump hammer. What a palaver this vid makes it out to be, & a grand is gready! 500 fair price.
@@johnh9449 The problems of asbestosis were centred in the ppl who worked in the factories where it was produced & used in fibrous form. It was thick in the air, one worker commented in an interview it was like a source of fun to them being like candyfloss. Here we are talking about a soil pipe made of asbestos cement a totally different kettle of fish. This stuff isn't radioactive ☢ but they do like to make big business out of anything they can - extending it to panicking ppl when dealing with a soil pipe or a few corrugated sheets is laughable. People seem to have lost all common sense these days as recent events have & are proving.
@@milant777 That's not what the HSE and the vast majority of experts say. The HSE in particular publish information not only for occupational industrial guidance but also specifically for occasional DIY asbestos handling. They do not say 'don't worry about it as long as you aren't deeply breathing in plumes of dust every day then you'll be fine'. No, they warn you about the dangers and tell you how to take sensible precautions in order to mitigate the risk. Your advice not to take precautions and break up the asbestos creating dust is the exact opposite. Take a step back and consider this - you are basically saying you are right and all the experts are wrong. Is that a credible position? The same contrast of advice was seen regarding global warming between the vast majority of climate scientists who stated that man made global warming was real and the odd dissenter who claimed they too were an expert and that global warming was a hoax. People listening had the problem of deciding the truth made difficult by the media equally presenting "both sides of the argument" like a political debate. Many people believed what they wanted to believe given that there seemed to be a choice, completely ignoring the critical thinking point that the vast majority of experts were in consensus saying one thing so should be believed and the climate change deniers in the minority should clearly be dismissed. Part of the problem was that climate change was slow and difficult to see a trend amongst the general noise of weather. In more recent years the evidence for climate change has become more obvious with now frequent extreme weather events fires and floods. The mavericks have now been dismissed, the experts are now believed and thankfully we are starting to do something about it. The understanding of asbestos risk has a similar connection in that it's effects on health are very slow to occur, perhaps taking 30 years and hidden in the noise of life allowing people to believe they have got away with unsafe practices. It was only expert analysis that identified the causal connection not only with industrial workers but also with those having only a peripheral and occasional secondary exposure. This is because of the statistical nature of the risk. In that respect it is very similar to passive smoking. It's interesting also to note that before smoking was identified as causing lung cancer people actually thought smoking was healthy and the increase of lung cancer was put down to other things such as fumes from the newly expanded adoption of asphalt on road surfaces. It was only a huge statistical study that identified the causal link and lead to a proper understanding of the risk that smoking 10 cigarettes a day gives you a 1 in 200 chance of dying in any one year. And yet you still get people today saying 'my grandad smoked 80 a day and lived to the age of 90' - as if that proved anything - it just indicates that the person saying it doesn't understand statistical science - that there's a bell curve of probability that extends out to catch many people in a large enough population. Who should you believe - the man down the pub or published expert opinion? My advice to anyone reading this is to seek expert advice such as in this case published by the HSE and many websites. Always go with the accumulated consensus of expert opinion.
@@johnh9449 lol, my original reply (of last night) to your lengthy response above has been removed by utube!! How about that for censorship!! Basically to recap.. 1. I gave u my experience of working with asbestos cement soil pipes & removing them going back 40 yrs. No issues. 2. Your climate change propaganda was addressed & shown to be a manipulation of the actual facts by the statements of IPCC experts who will no longer have anything to do with the IPCC as it is all political with no reference to real climate science. 3. Your smoking example had the rug pulled from beneath it where I showed how the experts regularly advertised smoking as a benefit. I finished by saying TRY TO USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. Anyway, it is apparent by the overt censorship I have experienced this sort of debate is not allowed on utube because it reveals too much truth..which isn't allowed now is it.
@@johnh9449 You used the argument that the majority and the official consensus is probably right, in the same story as mentioning that smoking was seen as healthy. And as for global warming, well it's very complicated and really too complex a system to say with certainty. Remember asbestos was used, and then found to be dangerous. It's possible the pendulum swing too far the other way, in a "better safe than sorry" attitude. Which is true, but also costly, and perhaps slightly unnecessary.
It's really good you mentioned asbestos, there are still a lot of people out there who still don't understand the dangers of asbestos. Yes, £1000 is expensive but with a day rate average of £520 per man which includes materials and waste, disposed of correctly. Plus the hire of a tower scaffolding. Then the admin sorting out the paperwork etc £1000 doesn't go far. (2-man team) Unless you're working on an estate where there's a load of downpipes to remove, you would probably be removing 2 to 4 per day as you pay for the day rate.
I removed a large commercial bakery oven many years ago and we just continually doused the whole thing during the work. Customer has received a quote for £3,500 and told that the bakery would have to close down for over one week. Additionally, they said that the surrounding buildings would have to be evacuated ! We are all still alive and in perfect health.
These are made out of asbestos? Oops I painted mine last year, hopefully I'll be okay, don't remember scratching it. Washed it down, but I thought these were made out of metal.
Will be interesting to see which modern materials we use now will be condemned in the future for health reasons. Foil board insulation comes to mind, that stuff is nasty
When I moved into my current house I found a load of asbestos pipes in the loft. Someone had taken a flue apart and kindly left them there. I took them to my local council site where they had a tank I had to put them in. Now I work as a tradesman and I can completely understand plumbers not wanting to quote for this job. £1,000 sounds very reasonable to me for all that work, I get sick of customers that think guys should do this sort of stuff for next to nothing, invariably you find they have office jobs sat on their backsides all day and earning four times what they resent paying the poor plumber.
Another good one,Roger . Common sense prevails!!!! Not sure that you should've done half the Asbestos contractor's job for them though. If the client called them in, it up to them to get in with the job. I would've stayed out of it You're just too good mate.
Thanks for showing my job! The £2k quote was to replace pipe from ground to gutter. I managed to repair the crack with resin, which has bought me some time. The job is potentially DIY, but it's hard to know where to remove the pipe from: saw off just above (new) patio (asbestos dust!)? Try and remove at a junction? Also the pipe is very close to the conservatory so any adaptors/junctions will be very tight fit. Just to top it all it's our only toilet ... Might buy a camping toilet! Ps I'm happy to bag up the pipe and dispose of myself.
Noooo ! Don't saw it, that's the worst thing you can do. Yes you can do the job yourself but its important to keep any breakage or damage to a minimum. And make sure you use the correct PPE.
@@MarkJT1000 that's the dilemma... Will the pipes easily separate at a junction (are they bonded or just interference fit?). Or do I lift the new patio to find where the asbestos pipe meets the glazed pipe.
@@Lacking_something I'd try to get down to the glazed pipe. Yes, it's more of a job, but it'll be the right way to do it, and also should avoid any cutting, you should be able to disconnect it without releasing fibres as MarkJT1000 said. Once you've done it, it'll be good for years if you replace it with plastic, and I'd be surprised if the parts cost £200. Just put a new soil pipe in myself which was similar to this, and I think the parts cost me about £120.
@@Lacking_something Usually once you've got one end free a bit of wiggling will loosen the seal on the joints. The hard bit here is that you need to break out the mortar around the pipe where goes through the wall and separate it from the back of the WC. With all that in mind it would be best to start at the top and work your way down to the junction. It should then be easier to separate the junction from the pipe below and withdraw it through the wall.
No one has mentioned it, but in the US/California the presence of asbestos must be disclosed when selling a property. Usually leads to seller either removing the asbestos or reducing the price to cover removal. Even when it’s perfectly safe when undisturbed.
I’ve got concrete finlock gutters which I’ve had lined with fibre glass but the underneath the paint is peeling etc. I’ve started lightly sanding it and picking off loose paint and it’s occurred to me that it might contain asbestos. Is that possible?
It's an abused problems I got asked if I had an asbestos certificate in a new building in 2019, it's a money making scheme and ppl don't understand the process or levels unfortunately
Let me know the specialist contractor who only charges £1k!!! Either way I think a life is worth more than £2k so just pay the bill or put up with the existing soil stack
Not all local authority recycling centres will be able to handle it, but some do and may even be able to supply the Visqueen sheets/bags to wrap it up befoee taking it back.
At our old house we had the asbestos garage roof replaced. The removal cost more than the new one but that's the nature of the beast. There was a spare sheet of it tucked away in the shed that I had to get rid of myself at a later date when we were selling up. Although it was an intact sheet (not crumbly or anything), I had to break it down and bag it in sealed rubble sacks before the local tip would take it which I thought was probably more risky than wrapping the whole thing in plastic but hey ho, council knows best apparently!
Council put you at risk. Breaking up asbestos roofing sheets would release the asbestos fibres encapsulated in the sheet into the air settling on your clothes, surroundings and possibly breathing in . Unless they advertised you on correct PPE and disposal of overalls etc.
Lot of hysteria over asbestos. Like you say this white cementitious stuff is ok with a good face mask. It's the *BLUE ASBESTOS* used in old brake linings and clutches etc is the stuff that causes asbestosis in the lungs. That stuff is hard to find these days
not really mate. You can find it in isolation boards, roof plates etc. There were enough applications because it was regarded as wonder stuff. Like Roger said you don't want the dust particles or cut it. Remove it intact and the harm is limited. Well, I can say this; when you have it in your lungs and get ill you wish you were born on another day
Crocidolite (blue asbestos) was used in products such as cement, tiles and insulation materials. So unless you get the stuff tested you just dont know. Blue asbestos is rarer only because its heat properties arent as good as other types so Chrysotile Asbestos was used for brake pads, Thank God 🙏
Sorry that's wrong, it's not the type of asbestos, in the industry there is no such thing as good and bad asbestos. Its based on the material type, and if It's encapsulated or not. For example Insulating board, lagging requires a licensed contractor and HSE need to be informed of any work carried out. Asbestos cement is a unlicensed product which can be carefully removed by anyone and if disposed of correctly. You get crocidolite (blue asbestos and Amosite (brown) in cement as well and both are commonly found still in asbestos material today. Actinolite, Anthopyllite and Tremolite are the more rarer types. I test the stuff unfortunately 😂
Brown asbestos is 100 times more dangerous than white asbestos and both were used in cement products. Blue is 200 times that of white but had different uses. You need to get cement products tested to know what you are dealing with. You can't identify brown or white cement by eye.
Yeah my local authority will take a few bags per day. Did this exact same job on my house a few years ago. Cost the price of a mask and a few hours. I was careful but in retrospect I needn't have been quite so careful. All the horror stories can get to you.
@@jeffhenderson9595 You definitely can be infected with asbestos fibres from one expose. It can take 20,30 years to kill you but even so if you can avoid it , avoid it.
@@jeffhenderson9595 thing is how do you know that? Do you know the process of asbestosis disease? Let me explain, its starts with a single inhaled fibre, how it lands and is orientated in the lung, is the key. The fibre moves ever so slowly through your lung tissue where it eventually ends in a lining surrounding your lungs. (pleura) This process can take upto 20 years but your real problems begin when it hits this lining. Your immune system can't attack the fibres as they are inert so it does its best to coat the fibre in a protective wrapper. Its this wrapper that eventually becomes cancerous and spreads in the lungs lining, which cannot be removed without killing the patient. Eventually fluid from your body fills the lung cavity compressing your lungs and making breathing impossible. All the hospital can do is drain this cavity, every day to prolong your life. It is an extremely painful process, eventually bacteria wins and floods your lungs and you eventually die from a heart attack. Some people do have these fibres in their lungs but if its not moving then you will be okay, so its like rolling a dice, do you feel lucky?
@@123tinhat123 Yes, too many people get exposed and because nothing happens they think it's all baloney and repeat this to others which doesn't help. They need to wait up to thirty years to find out and it's not a good end. It's a cumulative risk like smoking with a bell curve of probability but you can be unlucky and die from just one.
Nice to see you taking some care over the quality of your audio. Something that will help with that microphone is a booster such as the Triton Audio FetHead or Klark Teknik CT1. They'll need 48V phantom power (which whatever your microphone is plugged into almost certainly can supply). You'll find that you get a lot more level out of the microphone with much less noise (hiss). It'll sound much cleaner and you won't need to turn it up as much 🙂
Thanks Clarky We have that booster but it didn't work at first because that mic claimed it did not need phantom power. We have it sorted now but thanks for the tip. Three weeks ago it would have got us there quicker.
@@SkillBuilder you're right the SM7 mic doesn't need phantom power, it's a dynamic mic... does need a lot of gain though which can mean a lot of extra hiss if the mic preamp isn't great. This sounds absolutely fine though.
Overall a grand sounds a lot but probably fair. As for the asbestos the cement based type is reasonably safe if you don’t mess about with it too much and wet it down. As usual the media really over hypes things and if you use common sense it’s safe unfortunately that’s not always available to some people.
You can bag that up in 2 layers of thick plastic and council will take away. Or as we did, get garage roof taken away by a proper co, 300 quid! With certificate.
I have dealt a lot with asbestos. It is always good to be safe but it can be a money making game. You can get so many different conflicting views from so many different organisations and everyone wants their part of the cash. So long as you dampen it down to stop fibres floating around and you wear an appropriate mask you should be good to go.
The price is the price when it comes to asbestos. Its an insurance thing, they set the price. - My step uncle (if thats what you call him) is from a rich family, we are talking farm, racehorses - art and antiques. On of the ways his Dad made money was from underwriting insurance for Lloyds, and would collect a monthly payment from housing insurance payments. He lost it all to asbestos insurance claims - they fought it in the courts trying to make out that Lloyds knew that asbestos was going to be a crisis some day - and lost. So they lost more than the others who paid out straight away. A lot more. The case was settled in 2000. - My step uncle lived with his mum until his 60s when she died - he drives vans for a meat packing company.
Some might say how the mighty have fallen, not me. Yeah your Uncle in whatever has hit hard times, getting on in years but he has a job and a routine and hopefully a roof over his head. He at least got to experience some of the joys of wealth at one stage in his life...
@@gulfstream7235 yeah, someone should tell him that, hes a bitter and cynical man. He didnt even go to he Dads funeral. - Just a story about home insurance really. You dont get to hear about the other side of things often.
I think £1000 is way over to replace that soilstack in the image , I’m not sure of the local disposal cost but there can’t be more than £150 in parts and that’s just screwfix public prices , that leaves £850 for labour ? Maybe I should go back to the building game ?
Personally at least, I recognise the dangers of asbestos… my grandfather died of it. BUT white cement based asbestos is pretty low risk. As long as precautions are taken and common sense then risk is minimal which is why it’s unlicensed work. It’s the brown and blue asbestos that was used for insulation that primarily in the killer. Other thing about the cement based stuff is that because it’s bound in cement the fibres are encapsulated. Would be seriously trying hard to generate fibres like smashing it up or cutting it to release uncapsulated fibres But as above, things like brown and blue insulation asbestos, that’s not encapsulated which is why it’s higher risk.
Where I live you have to build a big plastic tent over the work before you remove asbestos. It takes longer to frame and cover than it takes to remove the asbestos. I have removed it myself and I used the cheapest timber I could find and screwed it together with an impact driver, taped heavy clear plastic over it and saved myself $8000 New Zealand. There is a specialist shop that sells you the mask, heavy bags, tack cloths, space suits, boot covers, disposable undies (not making that up) and will hire you an asbestos vacuum. You are not allowed to do friable over loss asbestos but you are allowed to do sheets and solid material if you live in the home. It is hot work when the sun hits the clear tent so have plenty of drinks just outside it.
I'm enraged on your behalf as a pro, I had some sofit done and it was taken down on agreement that I handled the sheets, Asssuming they were asbestos I took the sheets and double wraped as per council requirements and they accepted it. Enraged because I am told they charge a fortune to professionals or trades, but free to domestic. The reason is obvious and those that flytip are not domestic. (excluding new stupid rules around plaste board or soil) Even the guy at the dump helped me load it and questioned the weight, but about 70% was the double plastic bag I had done. Sadly I've met many labourers who have told me just have to get on with smashing up asbestos lintels etc and say no more.
I have the exact same asbestos soil stack as shown in this video. my asbestos soil stack goes through my lean to garage roof and is starting to go fluffy in places on the part inside the garage. I really need to get the whole thing taken down and carefully removed intact but I got a quote over the phone of £3000! is there anything I can paint on it in the mean time to seal it again?? I was looking at bitumen type paints but is there something better? I really don't want to go near it but If I even make it safer for the mean time. Anyone any suggestions??
When they built the gas power station next to Coryton refinery, they built it on an asbestos tip. They simply covered it and built on top. We were not impressed working there!
Took soil pipe down today top pipe for vent was asbestos ...wet it down wrapped roll and stroll round it and took it down ...alot easier than trying to take 3m of cast vent down for sure .....left it with customer to dispose off ....new stack back up all sorted ...
Spray with water and PVA glue to prevent fibers become airborne. Wear appropriate PPE and dispose of as local requirements. In all honesty the best place for it is buried underground but you can't do that, only Govco can 👍
A lot of council waste sites (but not all of them!) have a specific skip with lids to take asbestos. The one I use in Park Royal london wants you to pre book your arrival. So don’t just turn up with bags of the stuff! I use a disposable paper suit, old trainers, gloves and good mask. Damp down as you have said and remove the chrysotile version carefully without lots of dust. I bin my mask , gloves and paper suit and the old trainers too once I’m finished. Double bag the waste with heavy duty rubble bags and mark it with asbestos labels.
Firstly:- Check it 'is' cement based asbestos & not cast iron or lead. Secondly:- There's no legal obligation to replace it if the customer chooses to keep it, or there's no other reason to disturb it. Thirdly:- Most asbestos ends up in the footings of extensions etc & never sees a plastic bag or a waste disposal company.
I would just wrap the leaking joint (unless outlet has been damaged by failing tile or errant ladder) with that self-amalgamating plumbers drain wrap cloth, and leave it be.
Having been on a few courses seen the photos of what asbestos can do, I would suggest the best way forward is for a competent contractor to replace but they must follow the HSE guidance note ‘a35’.
Like a lot of jobs these days it's not worth the hassle of getting someone in. As long as you're careful, tog up and don't smash it to bits it'll be fine, just methodically take it apart, bag it up and off to the tip.
I had a job sometime ago it was a burst pipe under an old marley floor and it was going through insurance ! I was told not to touch as the tiles had a trace of asbestos in . Now the tiles were practically floating in the water christ I could almost pick these things up . Anyhow these felas turn up all suited and booted put up a plastic tunnel up to remove it , I've never seen so much bull shit in my life good knows what it cost , Madness . Great vlogs by the way , Russ the builder
years back in Ireland we had peat powered electric generation. The cooling towers which had to be knocked had lots of asbestos. Years later when the whole asbestos scare was in full swing the ESB were asked how they had disposed of it so it could be safety checked. They had dumped in the bog. Where exactly? We can't remember !
The HSE web site has a load of really useful information on how to deal with all different types of asbestos. There is this idea that no-one is allowed to touch it, scary, scary etc but I got the impession that mostly they care that a) you understand the risks and b) follow their best practices. My local authority will take it at the tip if it's double bagged and you inform them and it goes in a dedicated bin. Aside.. it was only years after I pulled up a floor of slightly odd black tiles (with no precautions) that I read about such things sometimes being asbestos and had it and the artex ceiling tested with a postal kit. Yup, both positive. 🙄 Alas asbestos got chucked into so many products that you never even know about until you directly come across it. In this 1975 house it is those floor tiles, artex, guttering (now gone), soil stack and I think even the bloody soffit boards!!
If you have a chain cutter you can coat the place where you are going to make a cut with wallpaper paste to trap the fibres then double bag it and dispose
No tradesman should even be touching asbestos unless they have a license. It’s not right to try and charge someone extra just because it’s asbestos. Get a proper company in who are registered to deal with it and remove it. Then, get a plumber to install a new soil stack
Not asbestos related, but different times. Early 1980's I worked at Dunlop. Someone spilt some mercury (or something got broke) so there was loose mercury (liquid) rolling about on the bench. A couple of recent university graduates were all OMG, safety first, put on PPE, erect barriers etc etc. Old timer Larry dusted some sulphur powder on it, scooped it carefully into a strong plastic bag and into the bin, then washed his hands. Job done.
you can't really price the job just by looking at that picture. as someone who advocates having and wearing the correct ppe gear for the job at hand why knock the guys for turning up with the correct ppe gear. if you as a seasoned builder choose to do your custome a favour and climb up a ladder with just a face mask that was your choice and hopefully you charged your customer. over the years i've met builders with alsorts of missing body parts and are still working, the effects of asbestos are irreversible try breathing with no lungs.
Roger didnt say what mask he used, I assumed a twin filter mask borrowed from the contractors that turned up, clearly they had priced assuming access equipment was already on site.
A couple of things. You are right the local authority often has a subsidised collection. It will need appropriate protection and mine insisted on double bagging with 1000 grain plastic. But they charged about £10-15 per sheet of corrugated concrete roofing section. The 1st sheet was free annually so if you have one or 2 you could get away with not paying. Other materials like pipes are done on weight. So call the local council. The other thing Rodger is that asbestos takes a long time to affect people, it can take over 30 years to have an effect. So while people may think their fine they may not be. White asbestos is considered to be the lowest risk and there is research that the fibres can be processed by the body and removed. Given how much asbestos has been mined there’s some in the air you are breathing now. There is no law that stipulates using a company to remove and bag up so a DIYer is perfectly free to do that, but if they don’t know the correct rating of mask and have disposable boiler suits suitable for asbestos then they could be exposing themselves and £1k isn’t so bad if you think you could be dead in 30 odd years because you saved £1k which by that time will only buy you a bag of crisps given current inflation. Stay safe.
Oh and reading the other comments reminded me. Remember to get a certificate for the removal from the contractor the council uses. No certificate means that if it turns up somewhere other than a certificated disposal site and they trace it back to you then you are responsible.
"which is why I'm still poor" love it - you gotta charge on your quality. If one person doesn't want to pay it, the right person will and they'll (hopefully) appreciate the job.
Don’t you think there’s too much red tape and worry over these asbestos things these days years ago we were all cutting it up and I’m still here just 😂
Its a lottery. One fibre getting deep down in the lungs can do it. A lady developed cancer has a result of exposure. She was washing her husband’s workwear. He was fine.
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Reminds me of a job I did some years back runnin drainage from a school playing field through some back gardens to connect into a manhole on the road. On digging the trench through the garden discovered they'd buried a number of old asbestos roofing sheets. Anyway I've done the courses for low risk asbestos (for previous jobs) put the overalls mask gloves on etc bagged and double bagged the asbestos all taped etc. Took to the disposal yard I'd used before and they wouldn't take it. It was all u have to register be this be that pay this blah blah. Ended up passing it onto an old firm I'd done work for to chuck into asbestos skip f £50.00. How can the HSE expect things to be done correctly when they put all this red tape stopping people from doing so? No wonder it gets dumped down old country lanes!!! It's all a con trying to filter every last drop of money us hard workers make , wrapped up in the lie of health an safety.
I got rid of 4 sheets of corrugated asbestos a few years ago at our local tip. Had to apply for a permit online, which was easy. I double bagged it in polythene and printed out "warning! Asbestos" signs that I taped to it, as per the requirements. When I took it to the tip, they opened up the container and in there were several sheets of the stuff wrapped in sheets, duvets, curtains etc! So much for all the effort I went to. I note that they suited someone up and misted water over the container doors as they opened it, but I didn't get anything to wear as I carried it in!!!
I've done the same, dump helper even commented how light it was as the weight was mostly plastic sheets. But What sadens me is for domestic they make it easy to prevent obvious dangerous fly tiping. but for a pro they still charge silly money. I've met pros who have an old domestic car just for dumping asbestos.
Of course it's official that if they ban other less harmfull waste such as plasterboard and compost. normal domestic people start to fly tip so the council (serco) walk a fine line of charge or extra fly tip. Which is more profitable?
I did just the same 10 bags of the stuff, O sorry sir you can only have 5 per mouth 😮 dumped 5 there and went to the next dump and got rid or the rest, the worst part was the opening in the sealed container was about 1800 off the floor so you had to lift the bags up and shave them in and you could here them smash down on top of the rest of the stuff, health and safety 😂
Sorry to be the bearer of the news, but you’d already put your self in harm’s way before you got to the dump.
I appreciate your channel as a practical and thoughtfully presented DIY source.Many thanks Roger.
My Dad had mining related Asbestosis. A horrid disease. Perversely, I'm now in my 60's and have had a lung pleurodesis performed, thought to be related to asbestos exposure 40 years ago flying in air force jets.
There's a lot of folklore around about this stuff of course, but I'd personally recommend avoiding any exposure and just pay the money. Take care.
depends on the work whether its notifiable work or not. Reference to relevant HSE guidelines are a MUST though
As Roger says - if it’s kept wet the fibres can’t escape into the air. His flue pipe job was probably about the limit for non specialist removal (potential for heat damage loose fibres etc). The toilet stack example will probably dismantle so nothing needs to be broken.
I found after decades of painting my asbestos guttering, that acryllic paint with fibres, such as cromopol, actually sticks and stays for years, has been waterproof - painted gutter inside and out - then I used a nice black gloss over it - very smart - it does a good job of binding and sealing the asbestos surface, couple of thick coats might even do a small crack
guess im due one as I used to do some roofing on farms and cut up the asbestos back in the day
I’ve got finlock guttering does that have asbestos in?
Of course your assistance to the asbestos removers was reflected in their invoice? Right?
Just pay for the asbestos contractor to remove it then pay the plumber to install the new pipes
Not hard is it
Em… last time I did that, the guys stood there between removal smoking fags with their suits still on… I’m pretty sure complacency had set in…
Why can't you do anything yourself?
Just like Roger, I'm an old fashion retired plumber, easy I would have ripped it down put it in a bag , broke it further down in the bag, and straight to the dump with all the rest of the crap, put up a plastic push fit soil system all in a day toilet back in and operational, days pay £70 + materials, job done customer happy, next job, that's how it is, when your self employed.
Unless it really pains you I would leave the stuff where it is, If leaking from the "collar" inject it with CT1 or something similar, anywhere else, small cracks roofing tar sealer, bigger cracks wrap in cheap fibreglass from halfords or car body filler.
Plaster it with black gloss and forget about it.
My son replaced his old corrugated asbestos garage roof with a rubber one. He carefully removed the nails so the sheets were intact and flogged 'em for a good price. There's still a demand for them for repairs etc and saved him a massive disposal cost. As others have said, there's a lot of hysteria over the cement based stuff.
It's actually illegal to reuse or sell any asbestos including cement sheets
@@mark5282 I suspect some of the "asbestos" sheeting is later fibre cement roofing sheets
@@mark5282 especially for cooking or grilling
Truth
Give me a break mate. I answer loads of comments every day on this channel. 830 videos on this channel and they are all still getting comments.
@@mark5282 sure is, ive been roofing for 20 years and dont know of any demand for them at all....no one wants them
My dear old Dad died 25 years ago from a lung cancer called mesothelioma caused by asbestos. He was a carpenter and diagnosed with the disease at 76 and passed away 4 years later. 4000 people a year die from breathing in asbestos fibres and it remains the biggest single cause of work related death in the UK. Dad's generation were not aware of the dangers of working with asbestos, going to work everyday to provide for his family .PLEASE DO NOT TREAT ASBESTOS LIGHTLY AS IT CAN TAKE MANY YEARS TO MANIFEST ITSELF. Many thanks Roger for your brilliant channel.
That's a pretty fair assessment of how things stand with some good advice for the average homeowner. Asbestos cement is a low risk asbestos product but with so much conflicting advice around and high prices being charged people are worried about either being ripped off or getting the job done cheap by some rogue contractor. Its not easy.
See my comment above. Asbestos cement can contain brown asbestos which is 100 times more dangerous than white asbestos. You can't visually tell. You need to take a sample and get it lab tested.
I'm not saying I'd take it down myself and dig a deep hole in the garden, but my mate is £2000 less the materials and grass seed better off..
Jeez how times change, in the 70s as the ‘young lad’ at a local hospital maintenance dept I was tasked with the pre painting prep of all the asbestos gutters and down pipes when the exterior redecs came about. Some days I looked like a fekkin snowman, covered with the dust that I had studiously rubbed down before applying an alkali resisting primer, even the insides got a wire brush and two coats of black bitumen.
The poor chap Don who worked in the boiler room with all its asbestos cladding died before retirement of lung cancer…. But that may have been the sixty fags a day he chain smoked.
I think asbestos removal is a con, as sensible precautions, as you do roger, gets the job done for a fraction of the cost.
Asbestosis isn’t lung cancer mind. It’s more like drowning on dry land.
Sounds like you were working on cement asbestos whereas the stuff used in boiler rooms as insulation is the blue or brown asbestos, that stuff is lethal.
@@telstar4772 The snow in the wizard of Oz was asbestos.
You should see the extremes they go to to removing asbestos artex. Inject it, it’s like a scene from Chernobyl
Was it Ashford hospital , I watched my neighbours brother die of asbestosis not very nice
Wot £1000 not a lot - 6 weeks pension and 6 weeks dumpster diving to live.
The UK Government should be covering the cost of Asbestos disposal. It's literally criminal behavior on behalf of the authorities, seeing as they approved the use of it in the first place. There's SO much of it still in place here in the UK; domestic properties, loads on farm and industrial buildings.
I think you mean the 'Tax Payer' should be covering the cost. Whenever I switch on the radio these day there is somebody being interviewed and they are saying the Government should be providing funding.
@@SkillBuilder Sadly the Government would indeed pass the cost onto us tax paying plebeians, however that's down to the structure of the Government as is, ie. one that is structurally f*cked where tax owed by large companies is not paid. That's a whole other story/problem though. Best not tune into the likes of Jeremy Vine and other conservative party fuelled drivel.
@@SkillBuilder I agree. I think the government should do what they do in Italy providing 110% grants for insulating your home, fightring a heat pump and solar. Pays for itself and the taxpayer benefits 😁
There used to be an old joke doing the rounds when I was in the building game.
''You dont see many old laggers''
those old enough will get it. 😂
Yep.
To carry out the job I think was under priced by about £300 .
To take away the asbestos I think was over priced by about £550 .
Just saying , anyway eagerly waiting for responses 😮😊
As long as it’s not smashed to dust and bagged properly double wrapped it’s not a hard job!
Price wasn’t off the charts was it 😂
And the end point so true a builder friend of mine got a call from council one day to say his kitchen units and rubble was sat at the traffic lights outside Chelsea football ground
Apparently they lifted the tipper on the red light and dropped the lot 🤦🏻♂️
dont know why builders have a problem with "rubble" , any hardcore company can re-use it , it is mixing waste that is a problem
Outside Stamford Bridge?
Were they trying to say something?
You can repair it with fibreglass sheet and resin.
I would do it for £350 about 70 - 100 £ for material but do not sand it but use acetone and clean it well first should remove the paint just put a rag around it and soak it in acetone and then a bag. It shouldn't cost a £1,000 to dispose of it, I don't believe it's the harmful asbestos blue or brown it's cement asbestos I would have thought!!! What you don't even need special disposal for that asbestos ? I could be wrong! Law might have changed, but you can get special asbestos bags and take it down your big waste disposal tip they have a bin especially for asbestos, not your local tip but the big one near you.
In the 70's when I was young we used to do our own car maintenance, when brake shoes were asbestos and no one knew its danger, we used to change the shoes ourselves, take the drum off and blow all the dust out. Then there was the time me and dad demolished our old asbestos cement panel garage with hammers ...... happy days ...... cough cough ........ ☠
I replaced one contacted the local recycling plant they supplied bags I baged it up and dropped it off no charge from the council has for a £1000 that's ridiculous for a days work
A good squirt of expanding foam into the pipe, wet the outer surfaces water or oil, bag over and take apart and don't forget to use the correct respirator (EN140}, not a cheap dust mask, but a FFP3 (EN149) and gloves, eye protection with coverall, job done ! ..... It gets through all ways into the body, not just the lungs !!!
£1000 is definitely a fair price in the south east...
For everyone that thinks it's overpriced, customers don't just hire someone's hands for labour, they're hiring your van, your tools, your PPE, and in this case your health in 50 years!
The biggest sting is the ridiculous commercial waste prices.
In Kent, waste transfer prices for commercials are decided on the spot by staff, if you don't like the price, you don't get to tip !
The only way they justify their prices, is that fly tipping is illegal..
Overall if you want a contractor to remove & dispose down here, you've got a day on site and a day messing around with the local councils to get rid of it !
This can be removed rapped and boxed and arrange hazardous waste collection service. £1000 labour is just right. Because one professional skilled person and 2nd semi skilled.
£1000 is cheap. Recently priced a job like this £1350 plus vat. Bear in mind some local authorities like ours have a policy of no vans in the recycling centres.
and some are limiting the number of days cars can go in too over a year ( has govt told them to stop that ?)
You would think it is nuclear waste the way some people worry about it.
Biggest workplace killer in the UK. 5500 people per year die.
150 school teachers since 2017. For every school teacher who dies, 5 pupils will die later in life.
It can't be destroyed so it is like nuclear waste, except unlike nuclear waste it's not in our homes, schools, hospitals etc.
It sort of is - you can't see those particles either.
@@johnh9449 Yawn. tell me about saharan sand blowing over and open mines blowing over. we should ulez the sahara lol
@@UberAlphaSirus So basically you are saying all the experts are wrong and you are right. Do you think that is a credible position to take?
Asbestos is a naturally occurring fibrous silicate mineral. There are six types, all of which are composed of long and thin fibrous crystals, each fibre being composed of many microscopic "fibrils" that can be released into the atmosphere by abrasion and other processes. Inhalation of asbestos fibres can lead to various dangerous lung conditions, including mesothelioma, asbestosis, and lung cancer. As a result of these health effects, asbestos is considered a serious health and safety hazard.
It usually takes many years before you begin to suffer from the effects of exposure to the fibres you will then suffer an extremely painful death, so it is not something to play. Back in the 1950’s through to the 1980’s farmers used corrugated asbestos sheets to build barns cheaply & quickly to build barns. During handling, cutting, drilling etc a lot of dust was/is produced. Not only did they breath in the dust there work clothes got covered in the dust. They would then go home take off there work clothes stick in the laundry basket, then there wives would pick the clothes up give them a good shake to get rid of the dust. Every time they did this they also breathed in the dust. The result of this was a great number of farm workers and there wives developed mesothelioma, asbestosis, and lung cancer and died as a result.
Hi Roger. I’ve recently took my old prefab garage down, we removed 12 cement sheets, double wrapped them and took them to my local tip (Wakefield Council in this case). You had to book them in but that was hassle free and the chaps at the tip couldn’t be more helpful, hats off to them. I was quoted £600 and I managed it for around £75 for masks, coveralls and visqueen. 100% worth doing yourself, just take care and be sensible.
Wakefield Council obviously knows that they way to stop fly tipping of hazardous materials is to make it pain free to get rid of them through legitimate routes. I wish my council would learn that lesson.
Wise words. The customer is liable for inappropriate disposal of waste, so it's vital it's handled professionally and not by a chancer. A bit of pragmatism goes a long way, particularly where its exterior cementitious asbestos, wearing PPE, its wetted and handled carefully
Many years ago my father in law and his brother had a summer job emptying asbestos out of ships hull. 50 years later it killed my father in law but his brother is still alive 20 years on.
Yeah, nasty stuff in ships hulls, lots of fubrous lagging, we still analyse and get asbestos samples from ships
@@Capricorn_IV I think the guys were handling it at the ports- it was probably "bagged" for use in the motor industry (clutch linings etc, rope and gasket manufacture)
I’ve painted corrugated asbestos roofs for the council with fibres paint like acropol, good luck to the next guy. I’ve no idea over the years and before I knew about the dangers what I’ve been exposed to. 💀😮💨😮💨
Met a bloke who dumped white asbestos in a skip without a thought. Never wore a mask either. Dead of lung cancer aged late 50s. His youngest brother never recovered. Gutted.
watch some combat footage from ukraine. they all running in tons of broken up asbestos roofing and tiles
yep, the russians, having at least one mineful of it used it everywhere , and carried on long after most western govts had banned the use in construction etc,.
Assuming u are not grinding at the asbestos & causing plumes of dust that you are then freely & deeply inhaling through your mouth & not doing this on a daily basis there is very little cause for concern. That pipe can easily be hacked out with a masonry chisel & lump hammer. What a palaver this vid makes it out to be, & a grand is gready! 500 fair price.
You'll only have to wait 30 years to find out.
@@johnh9449 The problems of asbestosis were centred in the ppl who worked in the factories where it was produced & used in fibrous form. It was thick in the air, one worker commented in an interview it was like a source of fun to them being like candyfloss.
Here we are talking about a soil pipe made of asbestos cement a totally different kettle of fish. This stuff isn't radioactive ☢ but they do like to make big business out of anything they can - extending it to panicking ppl when dealing with a soil pipe or a few corrugated sheets is laughable. People seem to have lost all common sense these days as recent events have & are proving.
@@milant777 That's not what the HSE and the vast majority of experts say. The HSE in particular publish information not only for occupational industrial guidance but also specifically for occasional DIY asbestos handling. They do not say 'don't worry about it as long as you aren't deeply breathing in plumes of dust every day then you'll be fine'. No, they warn you about the dangers and tell you how to take sensible precautions in order to mitigate the risk. Your advice not to take precautions and break up the asbestos creating dust is the exact opposite. Take a step back and consider this - you are basically saying you are right and all the experts are wrong. Is that a credible position?
The same contrast of advice was seen regarding global warming between the vast majority of climate scientists who stated that man made global warming was real and the odd dissenter who claimed they too were an expert and that global warming was a hoax. People listening had the problem of deciding the truth made difficult by the media equally presenting "both sides of the argument" like a political debate. Many people believed what they wanted to believe given that there seemed to be a choice, completely ignoring the critical thinking point that the vast majority of experts were in consensus saying one thing so should be believed and the climate change deniers in the minority should clearly be dismissed.
Part of the problem was that climate change was slow and difficult to see a trend amongst the general noise of weather. In more recent years the evidence for climate change has become more obvious with now frequent extreme weather events fires and floods. The mavericks have now been dismissed, the experts are now believed and thankfully we are starting to do something about it.
The understanding of asbestos risk has a similar connection in that it's effects on health are very slow to occur, perhaps taking 30 years and hidden in the noise of life allowing people to believe they have got away with unsafe practices. It was only expert analysis that identified the causal connection not only with industrial workers but also with those having only a peripheral and occasional secondary exposure. This is because of the statistical nature of the risk. In that respect it is very similar to passive smoking.
It's interesting also to note that before smoking was identified as causing lung cancer people actually thought smoking was healthy and the increase of lung cancer was put down to other things such as fumes from the newly expanded adoption of asphalt on road surfaces. It was only a huge statistical study that identified the causal link and lead to a proper understanding of the risk that smoking 10 cigarettes a day gives you a 1 in 200 chance of dying in any one year. And yet you still get people today saying 'my grandad smoked 80 a day and lived to the age of 90' - as if that proved anything - it just indicates that the person saying it doesn't understand statistical science - that there's a bell curve of probability that extends out to catch many people in a large enough population.
Who should you believe - the man down the pub or published expert opinion? My advice to anyone reading this is to seek expert advice such as in this case published by the HSE and many websites. Always go with the accumulated consensus of expert opinion.
@@johnh9449 lol, my original reply (of last night) to your lengthy response above has been removed by utube!! How about that for censorship!!
Basically to recap..
1. I gave u my experience of working with asbestos cement soil pipes & removing them going back 40 yrs. No issues.
2. Your climate change propaganda was addressed & shown to be a manipulation of the actual facts by the statements of IPCC experts who will no longer have anything to do with the IPCC as it is all political with no reference to real climate science.
3. Your smoking example had the rug pulled from beneath it where I showed how the experts regularly advertised smoking as a benefit.
I finished by saying TRY TO USE YOUR COMMON SENSE.
Anyway, it is apparent by the overt censorship I have experienced this sort of debate is not allowed on utube because it reveals too much truth..which isn't allowed now is it.
@@johnh9449 You used the argument that the majority and the official consensus is probably right, in the same story as mentioning that smoking was seen as healthy. And as for global warming, well it's very complicated and really too complex a system to say with certainty. Remember asbestos was used, and then found to be dangerous. It's possible the pendulum swing too far the other way, in a "better safe than sorry" attitude. Which is true, but also costly, and perhaps slightly unnecessary.
It's really good you mentioned asbestos, there are still a lot of people out there who still don't understand the dangers of asbestos.
Yes, £1000 is expensive but with a day rate average of £520 per man which includes materials and waste, disposed of correctly. Plus the hire of a tower scaffolding. Then the admin sorting out the paperwork etc £1000 doesn't go far. (2-man team)
Unless you're working on an estate where there's a load of downpipes to remove, you would probably be removing 2 to 4 per day as you pay for the day rate.
I removed a large commercial bakery oven many years ago and we just continually doused the whole thing during the work. Customer has received a quote for £3,500 and told that the bakery would have to close down for over one week. Additionally, they said that the surrounding buildings would have to be evacuated ! We are all still alive and in perfect health.
Just wrap all of it in denso tape, safe and secure…..👍
These are made out of asbestos? Oops I painted mine last year, hopefully I'll be okay, don't remember scratching it. Washed it down, but I thought these were made out of metal.
Presumably you can just pop outside and check whether they're metal or asbestos
Use a magnet
Will be interesting to see which modern materials we use now will be condemned in the future for health reasons. Foil board insulation comes to mind, that stuff is nasty
Try disposing of plasterboard 😆
MDF without a doubt.
Mmmf insulation is horrible stuff. So itchy
It's what they put on and in food that concerns me. Only difference is they know what they're doing.
Nothing comes close to asbestos, even MDF or lead
I stuck a mask on, removed mine myself and bagged it, fired it in the local tip, job done
When I moved into my current house I found a load of asbestos pipes in the loft. Someone had taken a flue apart and kindly left them there. I took them to my local council site where they had a tank I had to put them in.
Now I work as a tradesman and I can completely understand plumbers not wanting to quote for this job. £1,000 sounds very reasonable to me for all that work, I get sick of customers that think guys should do this sort of stuff for next to nothing, invariably you find they have office jobs sat on their backsides all day and earning four times what they resent paying the poor plumber.
Another good one,Roger .
Common sense prevails!!!!
Not sure that you should've done half the Asbestos contractor's job for them though.
If the client called them in, it up to them to get in with the job.
I would've stayed out of it
You're just too good mate.
Thanks for showing my job! The £2k quote was to replace pipe from ground to gutter. I managed to repair the crack with resin, which has bought me some time. The job is potentially DIY, but it's hard to know where to remove the pipe from: saw off just above (new) patio (asbestos dust!)? Try and remove at a junction? Also the pipe is very close to the conservatory so any adaptors/junctions will be very tight fit. Just to top it all it's our only toilet ... Might buy a camping toilet!
Ps I'm happy to bag up the pipe and dispose of myself.
Noooo ! Don't saw it, that's the worst thing you can do. Yes you can do the job yourself but its important to keep any breakage or damage to a minimum. And make sure you use the correct PPE.
@@MarkJT1000 that's the dilemma... Will the pipes easily separate at a junction (are they bonded or just interference fit?). Or do I lift the new patio to find where the asbestos pipe meets the glazed pipe.
@@Lacking_something I'd try to get down to the glazed pipe. Yes, it's more of a job, but it'll be the right way to do it, and also should avoid any cutting, you should be able to disconnect it without releasing fibres as MarkJT1000 said. Once you've done it, it'll be good for years if you replace it with plastic, and I'd be surprised if the parts cost £200. Just put a new soil pipe in myself which was similar to this, and I think the parts cost me about £120.
@@Lacking_something Usually once you've got one end free a bit of wiggling will loosen the seal on the joints. The hard bit here is that you need to break out the mortar around the pipe where goes through the wall and separate it from the back of the WC.
With all that in mind it would be best to start at the top and work your way down to the junction. It should then be easier to separate the junction from the pipe below and withdraw it through the wall.
No one has mentioned it, but in the US/California the presence of asbestos must be disclosed when selling a property. Usually leads to seller either removing the asbestos or reducing the price to cover removal. Even when it’s perfectly safe when undisturbed.
I’ve got concrete finlock gutters which I’ve had lined with fibre glass but the underneath the paint is peeling etc. I’ve started lightly sanding it and picking off loose paint and it’s occurred to me that it might contain asbestos. Is that possible?
It's an abused problems I got asked if I had an asbestos certificate in a new building in 2019, it's a money making scheme and ppl don't understand the process or levels unfortunately
Let me know the specialist contractor who only charges £1k!!! Either way I think a life is worth more than £2k so just pay the bill or put up with the existing soil stack
Not all local authority recycling centres will be able to handle it, but some do and may even be able to supply the Visqueen sheets/bags to wrap it up befoee taking it back.
Great advice as always Roger. Thanks mate.
At our old house we had the asbestos garage roof replaced. The removal cost more than the new one but that's the nature of the beast. There was a spare sheet of it tucked away in the shed that I had to get rid of myself at a later date when we were selling up. Although it was an intact sheet (not crumbly or anything), I had to break it down and bag it in sealed rubble sacks before the local tip would take it which I thought was probably more risky than wrapping the whole thing in plastic but hey ho, council knows best apparently!
Never break asbestos
Council put you at risk. Breaking up asbestos roofing sheets would release the asbestos fibres encapsulated in the sheet into the air settling on your clothes, surroundings and possibly breathing in . Unless they advertised you on correct PPE and disposal of overalls etc.
Lot of hysteria over asbestos. Like you say this white cementitious stuff is ok with a good face mask. It's the *BLUE ASBESTOS* used in old brake linings and clutches etc is the stuff that causes asbestosis in the lungs. That stuff is hard to find these days
not really mate. You can find it in isolation boards, roof plates etc. There were enough applications because it was regarded as wonder stuff. Like Roger said you don't want the dust particles or cut it. Remove it intact and the harm is limited. Well, I can say this; when you have it in your lungs and get ill you wish you were born on another day
Crocidolite (blue asbestos) was used in products such as cement, tiles and insulation materials. So unless you get the stuff tested you just dont know.
Blue asbestos is rarer only because its heat properties arent as good as other types so Chrysotile Asbestos was used for brake pads, Thank God 🙏
Sorry that's wrong, it's not the type of asbestos, in the industry there is no such thing as good and bad asbestos. Its based on the material type, and if
It's encapsulated or not. For example Insulating board, lagging requires a licensed contractor and HSE need to be informed of any work carried out. Asbestos cement is a unlicensed product which can be carefully removed by anyone and if disposed of correctly. You get crocidolite (blue asbestos and Amosite (brown) in cement as well and both are commonly found still in asbestos material today. Actinolite, Anthopyllite and Tremolite are the more rarer types. I test the stuff unfortunately 😂
You can get asbestos in old artex!
Brown asbestos is 100 times more dangerous than white asbestos and both were used in cement products. Blue is 200 times that of white but had different uses. You need to get cement products tested to know what you are dealing with. You can't identify brown or white cement by eye.
If you can only find one person to quote on a job then that's the going rate,
Yeah my local authority will take a few bags per day. Did this exact same job on my house a few years ago. Cost the price of a mask and a few hours. I was careful but in retrospect I needn't have been quite so careful. All the horror stories can get to you.
If you know someone who has died from asbestosis they are not horror stories trust me.
@@123tinhat123 The dose is the poison.
@@jeffhenderson9595 You definitely can be infected with asbestos fibres from one expose. It can take 20,30 years to kill you but even so if you can avoid it , avoid it.
@@jeffhenderson9595 thing is how do you know that?
Do you know the process of asbestosis disease?
Let me explain, its starts with a single inhaled fibre, how it lands and is orientated in the lung, is the key.
The fibre moves ever so slowly through your lung tissue where it eventually ends in a lining surrounding your lungs. (pleura)
This process can take upto 20 years but your real problems begin when it hits this lining. Your immune system can't attack the fibres as they are inert so it does its best to coat the fibre in a protective wrapper. Its this wrapper that eventually becomes cancerous and spreads in the lungs lining, which cannot be removed without killing the patient.
Eventually fluid from your body fills the lung cavity compressing your lungs and making breathing impossible. All the hospital can do is drain this cavity, every day to prolong your life. It is an extremely painful process, eventually bacteria wins and floods your lungs and you eventually die from a heart attack.
Some people do have these fibres in their lungs but if its not moving then you will be okay, so its like rolling a dice, do you feel lucky?
@@123tinhat123 Yes, too many people get exposed and because nothing happens they think it's all baloney and repeat this to others which doesn't help. They need to wait up to thirty years to find out and it's not a good end. It's a cumulative risk like smoking with a bell curve of probability but you can be unlucky and die from just one.
Nice to see you taking some care over the quality of your audio. Something that will help with that microphone is a booster such as the Triton Audio FetHead or Klark Teknik CT1. They'll need 48V phantom power (which whatever your microphone is plugged into almost certainly can supply). You'll find that you get a lot more level out of the microphone with much less noise (hiss). It'll sound much cleaner and you won't need to turn it up as much 🙂
Thanks Clarky
We have that booster but it didn't work at first because that mic claimed it did not need phantom power. We have it sorted now but thanks for the tip. Three weeks ago it would have got us there quicker.
@@SkillBuilder you're right the SM7 mic doesn't need phantom power, it's a dynamic mic... does need a lot of gain though which can mean a lot of extra hiss if the mic preamp isn't great. This sounds absolutely fine though.
Overall a grand sounds a lot but probably fair. As for the asbestos the cement based type is reasonably safe if you don’t mess about with it too much and wet it down. As usual the media really over hypes things and if you use common sense it’s safe unfortunately that’s not always available to some people.
Depends if the cement contains brown or white asbestos with a 100 factor risk difference.
You can bag that up in 2 layers of thick plastic and council will take away. Or as we did, get garage roof taken away by a proper co, 300 quid! With certificate.
Soak it in Serpiflex, peel it off and throw it away.
I have dealt a lot with asbestos. It is always good to be safe but it can be a money making game. You can get so many different conflicting views from so many different organisations and everyone wants their part of the cash. So long as you dampen it down to stop fibres floating around and you wear an appropriate mask you should be good to go.
The price is the price when it comes to asbestos. Its an insurance thing, they set the price.
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My step uncle (if thats what you call him) is from a rich family, we are talking farm, racehorses - art and antiques. On of the ways his Dad made money was from underwriting insurance for Lloyds, and would collect a monthly payment from housing insurance payments.
He lost it all to asbestos insurance claims - they fought it in the courts trying to make out that Lloyds knew that asbestos was going to be a crisis some day - and lost. So they lost more than the others who paid out straight away. A lot more. The case was settled in 2000.
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My step uncle lived with his mum until his 60s when she died - he drives vans for a meat packing company.
Some might say how the mighty have fallen, not me. Yeah your Uncle in whatever has hit hard times, getting on in years but he has a job and a routine and hopefully a roof over his head. He at least got to experience some of the joys of wealth at one stage in his life...
@@gulfstream7235 yeah, someone should tell him that, hes a bitter and cynical man. He didnt even go to he Dads funeral.
- Just a story about home insurance really. You dont get to hear about the other side of things often.
I just chuck it all on a bonfire.
I think £1000 is way over to replace that soilstack in the image , I’m not sure of the local disposal cost but there can’t be more than £150 in parts and that’s just screwfix public prices , that leaves £850 for labour ? Maybe I should go back to the building game ?
There you go "nicely wetted".
Personally at least, I recognise the dangers of asbestos… my grandfather died of it.
BUT white cement based asbestos is pretty low risk.
As long as precautions are taken and common sense then risk is minimal which is why it’s unlicensed work.
It’s the brown and blue asbestos that was used for insulation that primarily in the killer.
Other thing about the cement based stuff is that because it’s bound in cement the fibres are encapsulated. Would be seriously trying hard to generate fibres like smashing it up or cutting it to release uncapsulated fibres
But as above, things like brown and blue insulation asbestos, that’s not encapsulated which is why it’s higher risk.
Where I live you have to build a big plastic tent over the work before you remove asbestos. It takes longer to frame and cover than it takes to remove the asbestos. I have removed it myself and I used the cheapest timber I could find and screwed it together with an impact driver, taped heavy clear plastic over it and saved myself $8000 New Zealand. There is a specialist shop that sells you the mask, heavy bags, tack cloths, space suits, boot covers, disposable undies (not making that up) and will hire you an asbestos vacuum. You are not allowed to do friable over loss asbestos but you are allowed to do sheets and solid material if you live in the home. It is hot work when the sun hits the clear tent so have plenty of drinks just outside it.
When you consider the costs, excluding labour, I'd say £1000 was a reasonable quote. Everything is more expensive than appreciated.
I'm enraged on your behalf as a pro, I had some sofit done and it was taken down on agreement that I handled the sheets, Asssuming they were asbestos I took the sheets and double wraped as per council requirements and they accepted it. Enraged because I am told they charge a fortune to professionals or trades, but free to domestic. The reason is obvious and those that flytip are not domestic. (excluding new stupid rules around plaste board or soil)
Even the guy at the dump helped me load it and questioned the weight, but about 70% was the double plastic bag I had done.
Sadly I've met many labourers who have told me just have to get on with smashing up asbestos lintels etc and say no more.
I have the exact same asbestos soil stack as shown in this video. my asbestos soil stack goes through my lean to garage roof and is starting to go fluffy in places on the part inside the garage. I really need to get the whole thing taken down and carefully removed intact but I got a quote over the phone of £3000! is there anything I can paint on it in the mean time to seal it again?? I was looking at bitumen type paints but is there something better? I really don't want to go near it but If I even make it safer for the mean time. Anyone any suggestions??
my local council tip accepts these so long as it wrapped well. i use 1200 dpm to wrap not much money in screwfix. they have a special bin for these.
When they built the gas power station next to Coryton refinery, they built it on an asbestos tip. They simply covered it and built on top. We were not impressed working there!
Took soil pipe down today top pipe for vent was asbestos ...wet it down wrapped roll and stroll round it and took it down ...alot easier than trying to take 3m of cast vent down for sure .....left it with customer to dispose off ....new stack back up all sorted ...
My local authority tip will only take a maximum of 5 cemented asbestos sheets and charges £12 each, they will not accept any other asbestos waste.
Thats SupaLux - not like busting blue off boiler pipes, dont drill it or sand it, suit up, hose it down and remove it.
Spray with water and PVA glue to prevent fibers become airborne. Wear appropriate PPE and dispose of as local requirements. In all honesty the best place for it is buried underground but you can't do that, only Govco can 👍
I think it is still legal to bury it on your own property, as long as you have a good mask and gloves and keep it wetted down, its fine.
A lot of council waste sites (but not all of them!) have a specific skip with lids to take asbestos. The one I use in Park Royal london wants you to pre book your arrival. So don’t just turn up with bags of the stuff! I use a disposable paper suit, old trainers, gloves and good mask. Damp down as you have said and remove the chrysotile version carefully without lots of dust. I bin my mask , gloves and paper suit and the old trainers too once I’m finished. Double bag the waste with heavy duty rubble bags and mark it with asbestos labels.
Any tips or vids for heavy clay with a high water table?
pump it into your neighbour's garden
Firstly:- Check it 'is' cement based asbestos & not cast iron or lead.
Secondly:- There's no legal obligation to replace it if the customer chooses to keep it, or there's no other reason to disturb it.
Thirdly:- Most asbestos ends up in the footings of extensions etc & never sees a plastic bag or a waste disposal company.
We removed exactly the same on a bungalow, it all came apart without cutting , bagged it up and down to the asbestos skip at the local tip 🧱🧱😷🥽👍🏼
Yes but did you charge a £1,000?
@@SkillBuilder . Course not , I’m like you roger I under price too much. ☹️🧱👍🏽
I would just wrap the leaking joint (unless outlet has been damaged by failing tile or errant ladder) with that self-amalgamating plumbers drain wrap cloth, and leave it be.
£1000! No wonder cowboys get work and stuff is fly tipped
Having been on a few courses seen the photos of what asbestos can do, I would suggest the best way forward is for a competent contractor to replace but they must follow the HSE guidance note ‘a35’.
Like a lot of jobs these days it's not worth the hassle of getting someone in. As long as you're careful, tog up and don't smash it to bits it'll be fine, just methodically take it apart, bag it up and off to the tip.
I had a job sometime ago it was a burst pipe under an old marley floor and it was going through insurance ! I was told not to touch as the tiles had a trace of asbestos in . Now the tiles were practically floating in the water christ I could almost pick these things up . Anyhow these felas turn up all suited and booted put up a plastic tunnel up to remove it , I've never seen so much bull shit in my life good knows what it cost , Madness . Great vlogs by the way , Russ the builder
years back in Ireland we had peat powered electric generation. The cooling towers which had to be knocked had lots of asbestos. Years later when the whole asbestos scare was in full swing the ESB were asked how they had disposed of it so it could be safety checked. They had dumped in the bog. Where exactly? We can't remember !
The HSE web site has a load of really useful information on how to deal with all different types of asbestos. There is this idea that no-one is allowed to touch it, scary, scary etc but I got the impession that mostly they care that a) you understand the risks and b) follow their best practices.
My local authority will take it at the tip if it's double bagged and you inform them and it goes in a dedicated bin.
Aside.. it was only years after I pulled up a floor of slightly odd black tiles (with no precautions) that I read about such things sometimes being asbestos and had it and the artex ceiling tested with a postal kit. Yup, both positive. 🙄
Alas asbestos got chucked into so many products that you never even know about until you directly come across it.
In this 1975 house it is those floor tiles, artex, guttering (now gone), soil stack and I think even the bloody soffit boards!!
If you have a chain cutter you can coat the place where you are going to make a cut with wallpaper paste to trap the fibres then double bag it and dispose
This is a double trouble job. It's not just the asbestos itself; it's what's in the waste pipe.
No tradesman should even be touching asbestos unless they have a license. It’s not right to try and charge someone extra just because it’s asbestos. Get a proper company in who are registered to deal with it and remove it. Then, get a plumber to install a new soil stack
White does not need a license, it is unlicensed work.
Never even knew these could contain asbestos
leave it alone and it'll continue doing a great job and won't do any harm.
Not asbestos related, but different times.
Early 1980's I worked at Dunlop. Someone spilt some mercury (or something got broke) so there was loose mercury (liquid) rolling about on the bench. A couple of recent university graduates were all OMG, safety first, put on PPE, erect barriers etc etc.
Old timer Larry dusted some sulphur powder on it, scooped it carefully into a strong plastic bag and into the bin, then washed his hands.
Job done.
Don’t be like Larry
you can't really price the job just by looking at that picture. as someone who advocates having and wearing the correct ppe gear for the job at hand why knock the guys for turning up with the correct ppe gear. if you as a seasoned builder choose to do your custome a favour and climb up a ladder with just a face mask that was your choice and hopefully you charged your customer. over the years i've met builders with alsorts of missing body parts and are still working, the effects of asbestos are irreversible try breathing with no lungs.
Roger didnt say what mask he used, I assumed a twin filter mask borrowed from the contractors that turned up, clearly they had priced assuming access equipment was already on site.
A couple of things. You are right the local authority often has a subsidised collection. It will need appropriate protection and mine insisted on double bagging with 1000 grain plastic. But they charged about £10-15 per sheet of corrugated concrete roofing section. The 1st sheet was free annually so if you have one or 2 you could get away with not paying. Other materials like pipes are done on weight. So call the local council.
The other thing Rodger is that asbestos takes a long time to affect people, it can take over 30 years to have an effect. So while people may think their fine they may not be.
White asbestos is considered to be the lowest risk and there is research that the fibres can be processed by the body and removed.
Given how much asbestos has been mined there’s some in the air you are breathing now.
There is no law that stipulates using a company to remove and bag up so a DIYer is perfectly free to do that, but if they don’t know the correct rating of mask and have disposable boiler suits suitable for asbestos then they could be exposing themselves and £1k isn’t so bad if you think you could be dead in 30 odd years because you saved £1k which by that time will only buy you a bag of crisps given current inflation.
Stay safe.
Oh and reading the other comments reminded me. Remember to get a certificate for the removal from the contractor the council uses. No certificate means that if it turns up somewhere other than a certificated disposal site and they trace it back to you then you are responsible.
"which is why I'm still poor" love it - you gotta charge on your quality. If one person doesn't want to pay it, the right person will and they'll (hopefully) appreciate the job.
you are right but I have always been a soft touch.
Spot on advice
Here in the US, we need a “hazmat” team to get rid of the asbestos
In all my years I've never seen an asbestos soil pipe.
That is simply because you have lived your life in places other than those which contain asbestos soil pipes.
@@SkillBuilder 😆 this is true
I've got Artex on my ceilings and I don't know how old it is. Is there a way you know of to test for it?
You can get asbestos test kits online
1000 for that job is a bargain.
Don’t you think there’s too much red tape and worry over these asbestos things these days years ago we were all cutting it up and I’m still here just 😂
Plenty of people who worked with asbestos paid a heavy price. I know one electrician who is suffering badly now for years on commercial jobs.
Its a lottery. One fibre getting deep down in the lungs can do it. A lady developed cancer has a result of exposure. She was washing her husband’s workwear. He was fine.
"Still poor"😂😂😂