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Yo dude. The mobile website I can't find the lc10 and many other dlc weapons. I'm on Android. If they're there then the scroll is missing from the drop-down list and I can't get to em.
Could you also put a gameplay with the classes you make? Like when building a hipfire class, you can also show us a gameplay using ppsh and hipfiring. Thank you for your hard bro anyway bro!
I retried the fal close range and I would say that it’s competitive/meta again Downside: Slower movement, High skill weapon (not for beginners since you need to hit your headshot while having a good trigger finger) Upside: potential for a 3 shot kill ~260ms with 2 headshot +1chestshot Low amo consumption Very precise and hits hard even in leg (so if some one is behind a truck/car etc. And you only see the feet you can hurt them a ton (49 dmg for extre.) Very good sniper support and very good at close range too when used correctly Right now I play it like that: Tactical suppressor/Marksman barrel/microflex led/ no stock/ stippled griptap But you could sacrifice a little bit of range to get better movement by switching for a monolithic and a OSW barrel (25m drop off to a 20m drop off with less bullet velocity but better movement speed)
Been running it for about a week now, especially after these iron sight fixes, it feels incredible and also you fly with it with the tiger team spotlight
MP7 is fantastic for sniper support. It's basically a laser so it's great for medium range, hip fire is good for up close, some of the best iron sights in the game. People sleep on the MP7 but it just feels so good to use.
Ive been using this gun for the past few week and im glad its getting some love because i fell in love with this gun. The cw mp5 was just trash past 9 meters it was overwhelming.
its not meta. at least not for controller. It would be if it didnt constantly lose aim assist but everybody i know says its trash for that reason. This should be meta for mouse and keyboard players tho
I like it tbh, run it with the 55 end drum and the iron sights. After the fox they did to the iron sights I feel it’s a good bit easier to hit shots! Basically running the loud pipe blueprint with regular suppressor attached.
Funny seeing these guns jump around after recent tweaks. I remember when you were against recommending people to use this but now it's one of the best available haha
What you don't mention is that landing only one shot on extremities will decrease a lot the TTK. You absolutely need to land all the shots to the chest/stomach if you want to have the optimal TTK. Also you need 4 head shots before it decreases the TTK.
I feel soooo fast with it I love it. I used to dislike the iron sights but now I love them. I never hip fire with it but I'm sure it has solid hip fire accuracy.
Been slaying with the ground loot PPSH now that the sight has been fixed. Would definitely give this a go as a secondary in my load out now. Thanks TGD 🔥
I picked up a ppSh from a box on the map and went freakin clutch today! I mustve killed like 2 guys! I couldnt believe it, I went to create a loadout class with it right away lol
Been LOVING the PPSh since it got it's buff forever ago. Dunno why it's not more popular but I'm sure it will be now ; ) Though I've been using the Task Force barrel but you make a compelling argument for no barrel or a different one at least. Always love your Gotta Go Fast SMG builds too. Keep up the good work man!
I can't think of another Cold War gun that feels so drastically different between CW and Warzone. Ppsh feels amazing in Warzone but, at least for me, feels absolutely awful in Cold War.
I really made a comparison on your page yesterday and was disappointed of the movement speed, but thought the gun is still really viable because of the ttk😂 good to know you changed that after and the flaws aren't there anymore
I suggest using the spetsnaz pkm stock, the sprint to fire is still really good and you get noticeably more strafe with the spetsnaz than the raider i learned. but yeah i love the movement speed with the tiger team, i've noticed it immediately
@@DeezBulletz when you slide cancel into all your gunfights like i do, sprint to fire isn’t a factor at all, at that point what matters is ads speed because slide cancelling resets your sprint to fire so that you shoot as fast as your gun can come up after the slide cancel. so if you have a fast ads, which the ppsh has a pretty good ads, it works well for me
@@ralladinhox I believe what he was saying was “even without the sprint to fire change given by the raider stock, the sprint to fire time is still really good on the gun as a whole”
I hate the iron sights on this gun. I've been running it sniper support with Gru/task force barrel/field agent grip/snap point reticle/71 rd mag. Still has really good ADS times and slaps. Been running with with the Swiss. Love it
Don't tell people haha. On paper it's got ttks close to the cw mp5, with better recoil, range, movement and magazine capacity. I use the second build you showed, but with the tiger team instead of the 5mw to get maximum aim walking/ firing movement speed. Think the bruiser counts to overall movement speed so that's why I use it as would prefer to be a harder target to hit in a fight than run between buildings a couple of seconds faster.
Well it's fantastic ground loot. Pretty balanced not to overpowered and overall well balanced, but when it comes to my loadout I'll stick to the Bullfrog. I tested the akU and I can't get it to work for me because I feel like the ironsights are still asynchronous. When they fix it it's gonna be my go to smg.
To everyone watching this video!! He gets tens of thousands of YT views but only gets like 200+ Twitch viewers, let's get over there and support our meta reporting legend.
I want to point out that PPSH is very unforgivable to limb shots. Even 1 limb shot will punish TTK. Also, you need 4 headshots to lower ttk, so basically no reward for aiming head. Figuring out best SMG is definitely a headache right now. PPSH might edge it out due to its 18m range versatility.
7:43 "Patrol grip gives you best movement speed (+7%)" However, these data are not on your website, for this or any other other gun. When will you be adding these underbarrel stats, please?
@@brock5946 Yes, I know where to find the tool. I am building an LC-10 and some of the information is missing, e.g. Task Force barrel is missing the recoil and ADS movement data. Foregrip has no data. Red Cell Foregrip has negative values where the game indicates these should be positive. Yes, I know the game labels don't always match. But I am struggling to determine cases where the game is broken, or where Tony has not yet entered data, or even made a mistake. Hopefully he'll clarify soon.
@@edwardcottrill584 Yeah that sucks. I think the attachments work the same on all the weapons in the same classes tho. So info about ppsh grips also counts for lc10 grips I think. But there isn't a lot of accurate info besides that so you will have to try what works best for you on your own in the meantime
For my aggressive play style I have to focus on mobility. suppressor, task force barrel, tiger team spotlight, skeletal stock, 55 drum mag. Ngl I zoom across the map with this build
I think you should also show the open bolt delay OFF when comparing TTKs since that is a better representation of the TTK (you don't just start ADSing when you are ALREADY on the target, you ADS ASAP but your aim is not necessarily on target, you adjust while already shooting). Also, you mention about them balancing "OBD with STF" basically a gun with a OBD has fast STF but then you proceed to not take that into consideration when doing the comparison of TTKs. You should add that 33ms somewhere when comparing guns that do not behave exactly the same.
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Hey man hope you’re feeling better. Appreciate the content as always!
Thanks for this link, been having issues with the site on mobile for a while now, but this URL works great!
Yo dude. The mobile website I can't find the lc10 and many other dlc weapons. I'm on Android. If they're there then the scroll is missing from the drop-down list and I can't get to em.
The under Barrel’s for the Carv.2, are busted. The field agent grip is actually faster the the SFOD speed grip.
@@mash2481 faster in what way?
This is a positive comment for the TH-cam algorithm.
Zagmanatz
Donated $5 to the website, Appreciate all the work you do for us!
You donated so he could give you incorrect TTKs and not ever update the stats he gets wrong? Fair enough
@@MultiDannyboy1995 stfu
@@MultiDannyboy1995 why don’t you go build a website like his then?
@@jackwuotila4895 you dont have to be a baker to tell does bread is good
@@MultiDannyboy1995 are you talking about TGD or the multi-billion dollar company making the game?
this gun, like the PKM, is severely underrated. Let’s keep it that way 😉
Exactly like before anyone new about the amax I was using it and then someone makes a clickbait video and everyone starts using it
@@royfontenot7560 true
@@alexg2345 he already has 5 videos on it, so what’s your point? Lol
Ppsh is underrated but pkm is only useful for passive players, If you're agressive you always will get in situatuons that there's no time to reload
PKM is cheeks and has the move speed of a launcher. But If you like mounting up in a firehouse tower with 200 rounds that’s all you baby
I randomly decided to give this gun another try yesterday, and ran it with the SPR and got a win right off the rip. This thing shreds now!
I’ve been tying to use the ppsh but whenever I try to use a new loadout I never get my loadout 🤣
I swear lmao 🤣🤣🤣
its pain
Could you also put a gameplay with the classes you make? Like when building a hipfire class, you can also show us a gameplay using ppsh and hipfiring. Thank you for your hard bro anyway bro!
hard bro 😫😫
@@pynput9454 🤣🤣
That would be dope actually. They really need to bring back the shooting range from advance warfare
@@CS-wn2sz and ww2
Liked to upvote this, I think this would really help the channel explode and get the subs you deserve!
I retried the fal close range and I would say that it’s competitive/meta again
Downside: Slower movement, High skill weapon (not for beginners since you need to hit your headshot while having a good trigger finger)
Upside: potential for a 3 shot kill ~260ms with 2 headshot +1chestshot
Low amo consumption
Very precise and hits hard even in leg (so if some one is behind a truck/car etc. And you only see the feet you can hurt them a ton (49 dmg for extre.)
Very good sniper support and very good at close range too when used correctly
Right now I play it like that:
Tactical suppressor/Marksman barrel/microflex led/ no stock/ stippled griptap
But you could sacrifice a little bit of range to get better movement by switching for a monolithic and a OSW barrel (25m drop off to a 20m drop off with less bullet velocity but better movement speed)
Yea the fal is super solid used it a while back with a sniper and its really good
@@better4823 yep it got nerfed and then the ffar arrived so I stopped playing with it and totally forgot about it until yesterday
I was using it with this build
Stippled grip tape
30rnd mag
No stock
Sleight of hand
Gi mini reflex
Perfect, just started leveling the PPSH, appreciate your work as always!
Go Algorythm. ^^
Been running it for about a week now, especially after these iron sight fixes, it feels incredible and also you fly with it with the tiger team spotlight
Ak74u seems a pretty good all around, you only need one head shot to reduce ttk and its more forgiving than other smgs due to the extremities ttk
Ppl seem to hate it tho compared to other smgs
MP7 is fantastic for sniper support. It's basically a laser so it's great for medium range, hip fire is good for up close, some of the best iron sights in the game. People sleep on the MP7 but it just feels so good to use.
Comment for the algorithm. Keep up the good work. You're a huge asset to this community.
Just doing my part to get these vids into the algorithm. Keep it up dude.
Ive been using this gun for the past few week and im glad its getting some love because i fell in love with this gun. The cw mp5 was just trash past 9 meters it was overwhelming.
This is exactly how I feel. PPSH is so much better at the range
Thanks for the video! I’ve been running the PPSG recently and it feels pretty good.
When TGD says something is meta it actually is.
No its not.
Lol this shit been meta his slow ass just got onto it
@@markrenton8484 but he actually backs it up in a quantifiable way, other streamers are just quick to say "this is META cuz it feels good!"
its not meta. at least not for controller. It would be if it didnt constantly lose aim assist but everybody i know says its trash for that reason. This should be meta for mouse and keyboard players tho
@@a1since93 what are the best aim assist controller guns?
I like it tbh, run it with the 55 end drum and the iron sights. After the fox they did to the iron sights I feel it’s a good bit easier to hit shots! Basically running the loud pipe blueprint with regular suppressor attached.
Great video. Solid testing and suggestions...
Great work as always!
It's a toss up for me between CW MP5 and PPSH as my favorite SMG
Funny seeing these guns jump around after recent tweaks. I remember when you were against recommending people to use this but now it's one of the best available haha
What you don't mention is that landing only one shot on extremities will decrease a lot the TTK. You absolutely need to land all the shots to the chest/stomach if you want to have the optimal TTK. Also you need 4 head shots before it decreases the TTK.
Started using the PPSH yesterday and was loving the movement speed. Instantly prefer it to the CW MP5
Another great video sir. Thanks for the chat last night on twitch! You rock!
Great explanatory video like always! Keep up the good work bro!
Thanks for the info. Making a return to WZ after some time off and I count on your vids to give me that competitive edge. Thanks brother
I've been rocking this gun sice the buff with the loud pipe blueprint this gun literally slaps!
Thx bud. going to try the super speed build
I feel soooo fast with it I love it. I used to dislike the iron sights but now I love them. I never hip fire with it but I'm sure it has solid hip fire accuracy.
Been slaying with the ground loot PPSH now that the sight has been fixed. Would definitely give this a go as a secondary in my load out now. Thanks TGD 🔥
I picked up a ppSh from a box on the map and went freakin clutch today! I mustve killed like 2 guys! I couldnt believe it, I went to create a loadout class with it right away lol
its great in Zombies too
i use it solo outbreak and multiplayer and warzone
its a solid all around weapon and the iron sights are way better now
Keep the good stuff rolling my friend! :)
Nice work as always
We need a recommended Ar meta not a couple choices but a number 1 choice!! Great content as always!
Been LOVING the PPSh since it got it's buff forever ago. Dunno why it's not more popular but I'm sure it will be now ; ) Though I've been using the Task Force barrel but you make a compelling argument for no barrel or a different one at least. Always love your Gotta Go Fast SMG builds too. Keep up the good work man!
I can't think of another Cold War gun that feels so drastically different between CW and Warzone. Ppsh feels amazing in Warzone but, at least for me, feels absolutely awful in Cold War.
It has a relatively long time to kill if I remember correctly. So you’re not wrong at all! It definitely is a lot different between games.
Literally no reason to use it in CW
FFAR when it was meta, literally everything was different, the recoil pattern, magnitude and the fire rate too.
@@orbitalzero8745 Other than for camos lol
I’d say the Milano is a close comparison too. I slay in CW but it sucks in WZ. Lol
Thank youuu, TrueGameData!
Thanks for the info on the ak74u info, I appreciate you lookin in to that 👍👍👍
I really made a comparison on your page yesterday and was disappointed of the movement speed, but thought the gun is still really viable because of the ttk😂 good to know you changed that after and the flaws aren't there anymore
I suggest using the spetsnaz pkm stock, the sprint to fire is still really good and you get noticeably more strafe with the spetsnaz than the raider i learned. but yeah i love the movement speed with the tiger team, i've noticed it immediately
pkm stock has no impact on sprint to fire
@@ralladinhox Sprint to fire ist good enough and anyway it wont affect every gunfight whereas better strafe speed does affect every cqb gunfight
Yea but u need to combat the open bolt delay & stf as much as u can which the raider stock do.
@@DeezBulletz when you slide cancel into all your gunfights like i do, sprint to fire isn’t a factor at all, at that point what matters is ads speed because slide cancelling resets your sprint to fire so that you shoot as fast as your gun can come up after the slide cancel. so if you have a fast ads, which the ppsh has a pretty good ads, it works well for me
@@ralladinhox I believe what he was saying was “even without the sprint to fire change given by the raider stock, the sprint to fire time is still really good on the gun as a whole”
I was never a guy of smg and sniper but I tried ppsh with the last barrel and I love it a great sniper support specially for kar
Great Breakdowns !
Goat. We appreciate all you do for is man. ❤
are you going to do any damage testing for shotguns? I didn't see anything on the site.
Thx for your work. 😁
Glad you're back, brother!
Hope everything is going well!
Keep it up! 💪
I hate the iron sights on this gun. I've been running it sniper support with Gru/task force barrel/field agent grip/snap point reticle/71 rd mag. Still has really good ADS times and slaps. Been running with with the Swiss. Love it
great video :) questions were all answer.
Awesome gun. Liked it before the iron sights got fixed. Knew this gun moved
I LOVE YOUR CONTENT KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!!!!!!!
Don't tell people haha. On paper it's got ttks close to the cw mp5, with better recoil, range, movement and magazine capacity.
I use the second build you showed, but with the tiger team instead of the 5mw to get maximum aim walking/ firing movement speed.
Think the bruiser counts to overall movement speed so that's why I use it as would prefer to be a harder target to hit in a fight than run between buildings a couple of seconds faster.
Great as always I a going to try it with the squad tonight
Great video!
So useful content is great as always I either turn to you or jgod for gun recommendations. Thank you for all the work you do!
Great content as ever
Been using this for about a week, feels really nice 👍
If you get the legendary PPSH ground loot it’s ghost or high alert off the rip. It’s nuts lol
Love it, gonna try it out
Great work!
I still use gru or agency for the recoil and damage range on smgs,feels good
Been using it for a good bit and the ppsh is a goat
same about ppsh as sniper suport, u should try the lc10, worked for me
Appreciate your content!
It’s always a good day when my boy uploads🤟🏼
Well it's fantastic ground loot. Pretty balanced not to overpowered and overall well balanced, but when it comes to my loadout I'll stick to the Bullfrog. I tested the akU and I can't get it to work for me because I feel like the ironsights are still asynchronous. When they fix it it's gonna be my go to smg.
Made a donation in the site today, hope you keep up the good work 👍🏻✌️✌🏻
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TrueGameData? More like *TrueGymData*
Anthony is jacked out of his mind, jeeeeezzz
You the best data guy hands down bro
Literally pissing my pants waiting for the ppsh vid to drop. Thank you sir
Bruh why doe
This is my absolute go-to on Rebirth island and I rarely lose gunfights
To everyone watching this video!! He gets tens of thousands of YT views but only gets like 200+ Twitch viewers, let's get over there and support our meta reporting legend.
Also can you do a video on the cw mp5. Diff builds?
There is an smg meta video he did few weeks back with cw mp5 builds
Welcome back fellow king
I want to point out that PPSH is very unforgivable to limb shots. Even 1 limb shot will punish TTK. Also, you need 4 headshots to lower ttk, so basically no reward for aiming head.
Figuring out best SMG is definitely a headache right now. PPSH might edge it out due to its 18m range versatility.
Yeah, a good-mobility builded xm4 will clap ppsh everyday.
Welcome back!
7:43 "Patrol grip gives you best movement speed (+7%)" However, these data are not on your website, for this or any other other gun. When will you be adding these underbarrel stats, please?
truegamedata.com/weapon_builder
He doesn't test sprinting movement speed but the other stats are there now (I hope it's accurate but I guess)
@@brock5946 Yes, I know where to find the tool. I am building an LC-10 and some of the information is missing, e.g. Task Force barrel is missing the recoil and ADS movement data. Foregrip has no data. Red Cell Foregrip has negative values where the game indicates these should be positive. Yes, I know the game labels don't always match. But I am struggling to determine cases where the game is broken, or where Tony has not yet entered data, or even made a mistake. Hopefully he'll clarify soon.
@@edwardcottrill584 Yeah that sucks. I think the attachments work the same on all the weapons in the same classes tho. So info about ppsh grips also counts for lc10 grips I think. But there isn't a lot of accurate info besides that so you will have to try what works best for you on your own in the meantime
when i first saw the ppsh i knew it was gonna be good
Sound suppressor, Task Force Barrel, 71 Rd Drum, Tiger Team Spotlight, Bruiser Grip... Perfect all rounder
During that smg stat comparison at 4:54 is that bullet velocity on the 74u correct?
Edit: he answered in video
Still no MW Aug or Zoomie 2Xm4. I know it isn't ideal. But oh boi does it slap. Good video, I'll give your pp a try!
Loving the AK-74u
I've been saying this! Love it bro keep up the good vids
For my aggressive play style I have to focus on mobility. suppressor, task force barrel, tiger team spotlight, skeletal stock, 55 drum mag. Ngl I zoom across the map with this build
Great video
With the hipfire build, would you advise or advise against switching out the suppressor for the task force barrel for the strafe speed?
I’ve been loving the CW MP5 but if you recommend it I’ll give it a shot at some point
Your logo looks a lot like that of the european golf tour yt channel:D
nice intro :)
I think you should also show the open bolt delay OFF when comparing TTKs since that is a better representation of the TTK (you don't just start ADSing when you are ALREADY on the target, you ADS ASAP but your aim is not necessarily on target, you adjust while already shooting). Also, you mention about them balancing "OBD with STF" basically a gun with a OBD has fast STF but then you proceed to not take that into consideration when doing the comparison of TTKs. You should add that 33ms somewhere when comparing guns that do not behave exactly the same.
That's exactly what his site is for man. Go check it out
@@nickmclean4004 i know his site very well, you can turn it off and on... how would i know that? All i am saying is to show in his video.
@@evok3ns ah, fair enough.
I'm shocked you haven't already posted this by now
Hey man i swear use hawksmoor or snappoint sight they are bigger than milstop sight and have more zoom
thanks, Tony!
LC-10 Base BV is 400. They have buffed it with an update before.
Time for Plunder and 2x Weapon XP token. Great video man 👌🏼
Any plans to test shotguns? With the current meta as it is, shotguns are very viable now for CQC but no one has stats on them.
I've enjoyed the papasha a lot recently but the recoil at range is rough, especially compared to the LC10 etc
That’s what I was thinking.
“Papasha”
SAS combat stock has more ads strafe tho. Id also run it with task force barrel instead of a supp for the strafe too. And better dmg range/velocity.
You run the gun without a suppressor?
@@brock5946 Ye sure dont notice much of a difference. The more people join the fight, the merrier anyway.
@@painy6588 I like that playstyle
What’s the best sniper support guns?