I think she's figured out a way to think about colors & mixing, and she's figured out what works for her. But the creative painter should explore mixing for themselves, and not be pre-emptively limited by other peoples edicts and rules. One thing to remember: add a drop of some other pigment, and that tube of white is no longer white! Mess around until your colors are working for _your_ compositions.
My first workshop was with Charles Sovek and he gave a prize to the first person to use up his/her large tube of white. He opened my eyes to this sort of academic 'rule'. And I am not saying anything negative about this artist's work, but IN GeNERAL I noticed that artists who have this idea of 'saving' white had dark and dull paintings. So I say USE your white. There IS such a thing as white, you can buy it and squeeze it out on your palette. Same with blacks... Sargent used lots of blacks.
This could be a game changer for me. I struggle with chalky paintings. Lately I have been mixing my titanium paint with orange or cad lemon to warm my whites. Focusing on my color relationships has helped as well, but I will for sure be picking up a tube of lead white to give it a whirl. Great episode. Thank you.
So...basically, think in watercolour when painting in other mediums. This sounds like one of the symptoms of learning by painting from photography. Cameras have limited dynamic range (values they can see) and anything beyond that gets blown to white or black.
Very interesting session today! If I'm not mistaken, Charlie Hunter doesn't use white. Beth Bathe doesn't use any white paint - all her whites are gesso on the substrate. I hate how white takes forever to dry.
Greetings from Lake Tahoe, Nevada.. I can’t see the color difference between the two blue Mandy mixed with tight white and lead white.. watching from my iPhone.. Can she get the camera closer to the paints?❤
Ehe, to translate.. she means don't use white directly out of the tube on a painting. So the start of the conversation is a bit missunderstandable. I read into it never have white to mix with= not have it on the palett, and instead use a color to mix with, example yellow . THAT was so weird. But it showed out to be white to mix with a color. So still have it on the palett. Duduh. But I agree, knock down the paint was a great idea.
I think they were being facetious with the title and beginning moments just for attention/interest. That’s my take. I think it’s (she’s saying it is) ok to use white from the tube - just recognize that whites are hues of blue (cool) if titanium and yellow if lead white (warmer). That’s my understanding as of halfway point of watching.
I almost always add a color to my highlights, even if it is a tiny bit. I am also fond of layering my highlights with different light value colors to get a "vibration"
I come from a photographic background. We, as photographers, many of us know about something called "The Zone System." This was a scientific method nature photographers used such as Ansel Adams. Essentially it is the dividing the photograph into a 10-...19 black and white gray scale. Thus a specular WHITE, to a black, black, and ALL the gray values in-between. In photography, we used densitometers to measure the different spectrums of the shades, white and black, black. I understand why she might say that WHITE should pretty well be a non existent thing, but I tend to disagree, respectfully. I did take an art drawing class from a student from a Minneapolis Atilear (spelling 🤦🏻♀️) school... He had us sketch out a 10 point grey scale, going from WHITE to BLACK. The wise artist here seems to be of the same mindset. But I continue to believe that anytime you need to reference the most specular of all in a work.... such as DIRECT SUN ITSELF. There is no intermingling of color that should be put into the mix. Thus...🤔 (quandarence of my own) perhaps the canvas, the white of the paper should remain vergin of any paint, pencil, ink,...etc. to leave the highest white possible. But as far as "they" (makers) have not created a true white yet... Technically, I agree. I see her cup and saucer in the background. 😆 COOL! That was the very same first lesson we drew with our pencil grey scale. Thank you for posting this video. She is obviously so knowledgeable. 😀 Great teacher. Thank you Mandy❤
I've been arguing with my builder for three years about this. I asked for pure white with no tones for door and frames. They painted 'white' that is cream - a yellow- white.
White is my indispensable primary color. In the world of subtractive color it can't be mixed it with any other pigment. Yes, a 'neutral" white is a pigment that reflects evenly all the color frequencies of the light reaching it. So there is no white light? 5000K? Also, white pigment scatters the light reaching it. If it reflects it back at the same angle the light reaches it then it will be "silver". The light we call white is really composed of an even intensity of a range and spectrum of colors we call primaries. Actually white light is a continuous range of color frequencies. A range that humans only see a small part of. Painters are in the business of manipulating and reflecting light. No light, no art. Now as for sculptors they get to be seen and felt as well. Hey, shouldn't museums allow touching too? Oh, and musicians . . .
. . . and that's not all. White is the "volume control" of light. Colors are the musical notes and white turns the volume up. Black is volume OFF. Artists paint symphonies.
I miss laundry blue every time I wash a grey horse's tail. They sell purple shampoo for grey horses now, but it is not as good as the old laundry blue on the tails.
I do not know of any acrylic paint version of lead white. However, cadmiums are the same pigment whether used in an oil binder or acrylic (plastic) binder.
You can get Titan Buff in Acrylic. Golden makes a good PW6:1 buff. It works as a warmer white. Some brands that offer a buff sell a mix... Goldens is single pigment. If I understand from what I have read from watercolor mfgs PW6:1 is a dirtier version of titanium white.
White paints are not lighter hues, and the variety in their temperature is due to the chemical properties of the various pigments, that is they absorb and reflect light differently. So in reality white paint is needed, but avoid using it excessively and on its own in the pure form.
Stuart Semple is the one who created the Blackest Black. This is what he says about the other artist. "*Note: By adding this product to your cart you confirm that you are not Anish Kapoor, you are in no way affiliated to Anish Kapoor, you are not purchasing this item on behalf of Anish Kapoor or an associate of Anish Kapoor. To the best of your knowledge, information and belief this material will not make it's way into the hands of Anish Kapoor."
So what she meant is never use pure white right? Sure that´s true, pure white from the tube (without even mixing it on the painted surface) looks ugly.
@@schoolofatelierarts yeah all whites have a sort of color right, titanium is colder than lead white, so treat them accordingly, that´s a nice take but it wasn´t what I understood when I saw the title, thought she did not touch anything with the word "white" on the tube heheheh, that would be quite interesting! Say, just use the white from the canvas priming. (Some painters do that to an extent at least, like Maxfield Parrish).
@@artschoollive Thank you Eric for everything you do. you are a fantastic teacher and great entertainer; your work is the best that happened to humankind in the last 5 years. btw i began painting because of you :P
This was very helpful and informative -- thank you.
Tapping the tube is a great tip!
It really is!
Love this session today! What a delightful and cheerful personality Mandy has! Good info too.
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed learning from me :)
Wonderful teacher and I learned a lot and I really enjoyed Mandy being on your program
Mandy is exceptionally knowledgeable when it comes to color theory, one of your best guests thus far. Thank you for sharing 👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you so much for the kind words, I love teaching color theory and helping others understand the nuances of it.
I think she's figured out a way to think about colors & mixing, and she's figured out what works for her. But the creative painter should explore mixing for themselves, and not be pre-emptively limited by other peoples edicts and rules.
One thing to remember: add a drop of some other pigment, and that tube of white is no longer white! Mess around until your colors are working for _your_ compositions.
AND if you are a watercolorist, rely on the white of the page to lighten your color values
Yes but you'll need to find ways to tone it for the values
Yes, and then it is important to pay attention to what color your "white" paper is.
Love the idea of putting a touch of yellow in the titanium white to warm it up before adding it to the other paints.
It definitely works well if you want some warmth in your lights!
@@schoolofatelierarts true!
Great tutorial and explanations of cool and warm whites.
I love using buff titanium when mixing my skin tones, it keeps it from being chalky looking.
❤This awareness will help improve one’s art. Especially nuance and sensibility.😊
My first workshop was with Charles Sovek and he gave a prize to the first person to use up his/her large tube of white. He opened my eyes to this sort of academic 'rule'. And I am not saying anything negative about this artist's work, but IN GeNERAL I noticed that artists who have this idea of 'saving' white had dark and dull paintings. So I say USE your white. There IS such a thing as white, you can buy it and squeeze it out on your palette. Same with blacks... Sargent used lots of blacks.
I love this woman, she is Great
Agree
This could be a game changer for me. I struggle with chalky paintings. Lately I have been mixing my titanium paint with orange or cad lemon to warm my whites. Focusing on my color relationships has helped as well, but I will for sure be picking up a tube of lead white to give it a whirl. Great episode. Thank you.
So glad you enjoyed the information. Make sure to be safe with the lead white!!!
This was a great class! Very enlightening 👍
Thanks for joining us today!
Fascinating discussion of "whites". Thank you so much. Looking forward to tomorrow's demo by Mandy.
There's definitely a lot to say on the subject!
White with zinc in it causes cracking and delamination over time. Lead white creates a stronger bond
Thanks for the info!
Utrecht makes a white w less than 2% zinc. in order to prevent cracking.
@@annsmith3192 zinc is bad in any amount. Rublev makes titanium white and lead white with no zinc.
Hi from California, I started following Art School Live during Covid.❤
Hey great info on the White! My question… Red Madder Lake is that the same as Rose Madder ? Didn’t the old Masters use it?
I'm not sure about its more widespread use, I only know that Turner insisted on using it well beyond the time it was known to be fugitive.
Great tips on whites! Look forward to watch tomorrow.❤
I was explaining it’s just this evening! You rock
Hi from Iowa! Very interesting... Didn't realize the difference in colors mixed different whites. Good to know.
Yes, they light values can be so tricky sometimes!
Thank you, had to watch after the fact, but this was so interesting and useful! Looking forward to tomorrow!
Hope you enjoyed it!
Thanks this is very helpful. I’m from Tucson Arizona.
Thank you both for this educational video1 This is great for using as well in other mediums as watercolor for example .. thanks!
So glad you found it useful! It’s true, it applies in any medium.
thank you Mandy
Great demonstration, thank you🕊️
Hi from Tyler Texas 👋
Looking forward to tomorrow’s demo where she puts this into practice in the demo.
Thank you ❤
Hope you got a chance to see the show today 🎉
That little painting of a cup and saucer by Fantin-Latour is in my local museum here in Cambridge UK.
Wow lots of fun
thank you!
Great class! Thank you
So...basically, think in watercolour when painting in other mediums.
This sounds like one of the symptoms of learning by painting from photography. Cameras have limited dynamic range (values they can see) and anything beyond that gets blown to white or black.
This is really, really interesting.
Very informative session on the use of white!
Thank you! I hope you get a chance to see the show I did today on Art School Live which shows you how to paint with all the whites.
Hi from Genoa Illinois - love her, so easy to listen to her and learn.
Thanks for listening. She is good.
Very interesting! I will try this...Mandy is great.
Brilliant! Thank you
Very interesting session today! If I'm not mistaken, Charlie Hunter doesn't use white. Beth Bathe doesn't use any white paint - all her whites are gesso on the substrate. I hate how white takes forever to dry.
That’s a great point about drying time. Different white pigments dry at different rates. Titanium white is one of the slowest.
Absolutely brilliant, thank you. Cheers from Australia 😊
Cheers, and thank you for the kind words.
ThNk you Mandi. Fabulous information to use immediately. 🇨🇦
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent Mandy!
Winston Newton makes a warm white. It's an unbleached titanium.
Good to know, thanks!
I'm learning a lot about zinc white, thank you!
Thank you Mandy. Very interesting From Pershore in England.
So glad to have you with us!
Love this!
Greetings from Lake Tahoe, Nevada.. I can’t see the color difference between the two blue Mandy mixed with tight white and lead white.. watching from my iPhone..
Can she get the camera closer to the paints?❤
Thanks so much for great content
So glad you could be here to join us!
Very valuable instruction🎉
Glad it was helpful!
Good segment very interesting 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you for the kind words!
Hello from Fairfield Nj. Love this demo I am learning alot
Thanks for joining us!
👋🏼 from Vancouver BC, thank you!
This was a great lesson!
Looking forward to tomorrow
See you then
I love my zinc white for clouds transparent
Very interesting show. Greetings from Stockholm, Sweden.
So glad you joined us!
Oh good, I was going to vote for dioxidine purple… ooooh. Ok, quinachrodone rose is good too 😛!
I'll let you know when I get that purple tube opened... I've tried pliers and still no luck yet!
Hi from new zealand. Great lesson. Will definitely use tapping technique.
Awesome! Thank you! It was new to me too.
From México, thank you! This is so interesting!!
Thank you for joining us!
Ehe, to translate.. she means don't use white directly out of the tube on a painting.
So the start of the conversation is a bit missunderstandable. I read into it never have white to mix with= not have it on the palett, and instead use a color to mix with, example yellow . THAT was so weird. But it showed out to be white to mix with a color. So still have it on the palett. Duduh. But I agree, knock down the paint was a great idea.
I think they were being facetious with the title and beginning moments just for attention/interest. That’s my take.
I think it’s (she’s saying it is) ok to use white from the tube - just recognize that whites are hues of blue (cool) if titanium and yellow if lead white (warmer). That’s my understanding as of halfway point of watching.
👋 from Alberta 🇨🇦
welcome
Question about highlights. Do you never use white on a highlight?
I almost always add a color to my highlights, even if it is a tiny bit. I am also fond of layering my highlights with different light value colors to get a "vibration"
I come from a photographic background. We, as photographers, many of us know about something called "The Zone System." This was a scientific method nature photographers used such as Ansel Adams. Essentially it is the dividing the photograph into a 10-...19 black and white gray scale. Thus a specular WHITE, to a black, black, and ALL the gray values in-between. In photography, we used densitometers to measure the different spectrums of the shades, white and black, black.
I understand why she might say that WHITE should pretty well be a non existent thing, but I tend to disagree, respectfully. I did take an art drawing class from a student from a Minneapolis Atilear (spelling 🤦🏻♀️) school... He had us sketch out a 10 point grey scale, going from WHITE to BLACK. The wise artist here seems to be of the same mindset. But I continue to believe that anytime you need to reference the most specular of all in a work.... such as DIRECT SUN ITSELF. There is no intermingling of color that should be put into the mix. Thus...🤔 (quandarence of my own) perhaps the canvas, the white of the paper should remain vergin of any paint, pencil, ink,...etc. to leave the highest white possible. But as far as "they" (makers) have not created a true white yet... Technically, I agree.
I see her cup and saucer in the background. 😆 COOL! That was the very same first lesson we drew with our pencil grey scale.
Thank you for posting this video. She is obviously so knowledgeable. 😀 Great teacher.
Thank you Mandy❤
So interesting
Enjoying this episode from Ohio..
Great tip about tapping the tube down! Great info about all of the "whites" charachteristics! I enjoyed watching from Idaho!
So glad you joined us!
Wow, so useful! Thank you ! I would love to win
Great information
Glad you think so!
I've been arguing with my builder for three years about this. I asked for pure white with no tones for door and frames. They painted 'white' that is cream - a yellow- white.
Haha yes, we have work to do to help educate the world on how to see color!
hello from Ibiza, the White Isle!
Rublev makes a titanium white without zinc
this is great - interesting info re whites!
Glad you think so!
Zinc white gets brittle
good to know
Hi from Michigan
I can actually see the difference in each object you are wearing
🎉
White is my indispensable primary color. In the world of subtractive color it can't be mixed it with any other pigment. Yes, a 'neutral" white is a pigment that reflects evenly all the color frequencies of the light reaching it. So there is no white light? 5000K? Also, white pigment scatters the light reaching it. If it reflects it back at the same angle the light reaches it then it will be "silver". The light we call white is really composed of an even intensity of a range and spectrum of colors we call primaries. Actually white light is a continuous range of color frequencies. A range that humans only see a small part of. Painters are in the business of manipulating and reflecting light. No light, no art. Now as for sculptors they get to be seen and felt as well. Hey, shouldn't museums allow touching too? Oh, and musicians . . .
. . . and that's not all. White is the "volume control" of light. Colors are the musical notes and white turns the volume up. Black is volume OFF. Artists paint symphonies.
Use acrylic florescent paint.
I miss laundry blue every time I wash a grey horse's tail. They sell purple shampoo for grey horses now, but it is not as good as the old laundry blue on the tails.
They still sell liquid blueing in the laundry section in canada. Easier to use than the cakes.
I'm assuming that lead white is manufactured in only oil paints. Am I right? Is there something that's comparable in acrylic paint? Just curious
I do not know of any acrylic paint version of lead white. However, cadmiums are the same pigment whether used in an oil binder or acrylic (plastic) binder.
You can get Titan Buff in Acrylic. Golden makes a good PW6:1 buff. It works as a warmer white. Some brands that offer a buff sell a mix... Goldens is single pigment. If I understand from what I have read from watercolor mfgs PW6:1 is a dirtier version of titanium white.
Probably correct
you can warm up your acrylic titanium white with a tiny amount of yellow added in before you start painting.
Very helpful
White paints are not lighter hues, and the variety in their temperature is due to the chemical properties of the various pigments, that is they absorb and reflect light differently. So in reality white paint is needed, but avoid using it excessively and on its own in the pure form.
Australia
Purple shampoo to counteract the yellowish tint in white hair. 😄
I have Liquitex Transparent Mixing White - where does that fit in?
I dont' know it but check what is in the pigment on the label.
Picasso: "I'm going to paint a painting called Guernica and I'm going to paint it in red. Oh wait! I can't open the tube, let's use black"
Silverbell Estates , Arizona
This was great, I learned so much. Mandy should wear gloves while using lead white.
That is solid advice. ❤
Can I get a pair of those red artists eye glasses?
With light, white is all the colors of light combined. This isn't true for paint of course. Yvonne from Florida.
Irony is the dress and her hair band, clearly pink!
Lol thanks for that!
This is confusing. You are using white while saying don't use white. Can you demonstrate how tonpaint a white object without using white
Yup! In fact I did a second episode on Art School Live just today, I hope you get a chance to check it out.
Stuart Semple is the one who created the Blackest Black. This is what he says about the other artist. "*Note: By adding this product to your cart you confirm that you are not Anish Kapoor, you are in no way affiliated to Anish Kapoor, you are not purchasing this item on behalf of Anish Kapoor or an associate of Anish Kapoor. To the best of your knowledge, information and belief this material will not make it's way into the hands of Anish Kapoor."
Lead white will not crack on a stable surface
So what she meant is never use pure white right? Sure that´s true, pure white from the tube (without even mixing it on the painted surface) looks ugly.
Well, and depending on WHICH white you are squeezing from the tube it is a different color. Most titanium "whites" are actually blue, for example.
@@schoolofatelierarts yeah all whites have a sort of color right, titanium is colder than lead white, so treat them accordingly, that´s a nice take but it wasn´t what I understood when I saw the title, thought she did not touch anything with the word "white" on the tube heheheh, that would be quite interesting! Say, just use the white from the canvas priming. (Some painters do that to an extent at least, like Maxfield Parrish).
cadmiums don't have white in. they are naturally higher value
good to know
@@artschoollive Thank you Eric for everything you do. you are a fantastic teacher and great entertainer; your work is the best that happened to humankind in the last 5 years. btw i began painting because of you :P
Then u must not believe in gray or black either
ThI’m s is true!
Much ado about nothing.
So she's really just saying no PURE white?
essentially yes. ALL white isn't white at all. Even pure white leans blue or yellow.
What he said ^
This episode was very racist
She is great!
Thank you!
Very misleading saying never use white when she uses it to create values!
A better title would’ve been something like @white isn’t really white”.