Tested: Formlabs Wash and Cure Stations
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- Sean reviews Formlabs' Form Wash and Form Cure post-processing accessories for the SLA 3D printer. The wash and cure stations help clean up and cure prints to make them come out cleaner and last longer, and automates some of the cleanup you would have to otherwise do manually. But they also have some hefty costs, starting with their prices.
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I've been using the wash and cure for a while now, and for the most part love them both. That said, the Form Wash has no gasket on the top, so the expensive IPA evaporates rapidly, especially if it's hot outside. You really have to ventilate the room well, otherwise you will have constant IPA fumes (well past OSHA limits), and many users of the Form Wash have reported negative impacts on their health, mainly nasal fissures. I lost over a gallon of 99% IPA in a couple weeks with the heatwaves we've been having lately.
Hey Adam,
Formlabs specifically did not make the interface om the Cure "durable" "tough" etc. so you can fine tune it yourself and also still use 3rd party resins. it's also much easier to update a recommended cycles shest on the website than push a firmware update to everyones Cure :)
And yes, there is a firmware update for both out, you can find the updater in the folder you installed PreForm to.
How do you responsibly dispose of 2+ gallons of resin contaminated of alcohol ?
Your neighbor's pool.
I imagine leaving it in the sun for a few days will create some kind of sludge which can be scraped out and the alcohol will evaporate.
Just drink it.
Nice. I'm quite satisfied with the Form Cure. I use a small ultrasonic cleaner to wash my prints.
The alcohol from Florida labs is on Amazon. 99% 4 gal/$74.70
Saw a guy in another vid using Simple Green, Mean Green etc instead of IPA. he said it works the same if not better. And much cheaper and easier to dispose of
I am most disappointed not by this video, but by the total lack of comments mentioning that "most important feature" at the end.
Check with your local pharmacy and see if they can order it for you. Don't know the price.
holy crap. they're making their money on those...
I wonder if you could do a simple distillation to purify the alcohol once it gets dirty
You can go to your local pharmacy and get 12- 32oz of alcohol for less then $25 cheaper and if you have coupons. You save even more.
It’s not UV light. It’s Visible light. 450nm is not ultraviolet.
Check your local hardware store in the USA and Canada; my neighborhood ACE hardware has gallon jugs of 99% isopropyl alcohol for around $23
Thank you for this! Really wasn't sure which one to invest in.
Definitely getting the Form2 and these addons soon. Can't wait.
Nice "The Thing" shirt.
How much use do you get out of $70 of alcohol tho
i think he said 4 gallon
Didn't he say it should be good for 70 wash cycles of a full tray? I'm guessing that means 5 - 7 liters worth washed per $70 alcohol. 1$ per wash cycle.
instablaster.
the fact you didnt link the original review in the description/video/annotation is pretty shotty tbh
With some objects you could fill the bottom basket and you wouldn’t need so much alcohol fluid
it´s the first time, testing the washing station. Everything works fine. When washing process is finished the cover flaps up and basket and platform comes up. ok ... everything is finished I remove the solvent - but how can I close the cover and move the platform to the right position. :o it seems not really intuitive to me... (but it is a nice toy :)
For everyone spitting out their coffee at the price, there are much more affordable sla options out there. printers and cleaning and curing options alike.
Be careful of resins though for those cheaper options. Others that I've seen are far worse than Form2 resins, which are not really that hazardous under proper storage and handling conditions.
Well, just like my reprap printers, I have cheap but decent printers, and I use good filament. A multi thousand dollar printer doesn't really make sla printing any safer. Just gotta be conscience about what your dealing with.
@@spenceralbin7294 I was more talking about the printer itself, and more over the washing and curing options. A grand plus for both of those things is pretty ridiculous.
5 GRAND!!! I spitted out my coffee....
Un like China printers! you do get what you pay for and then some. 5K with printer wash and Uv cure isn't a bad deal when you think of the level of detail of the prints, furthermore. when you compare it to the Ultimaker 3, which is 4.5K or the S5 which is almost 8K, its really reasonably.
@@patprop74 Yeah, you're paying for the support of the company. Also, the wash/cure stations are $1200 retail, so that means the printer is $3800. Not bad at all. These aren't for home gamers either; esp in the configuration with the wash/cure units. You're not suck worrying about getting parts from a random Chinese company, there's zero warranty/tech support with the Chinese ones, not to mention Chinese resins being much more toxic than German/US resins.
@@patprop74 it's still five grand!
Yes it is. I don't know if they still have them manufacture in China though. I know from the Netfilx show , Printing the Legend , their form1 was.
patprop74 they now make their products in their local areas (NA made in US, EU made in the germany,* etc)
It is cheaper to just buy the little bottles... any flammables cost EXTRA for shipping. That wasn't free shipping at all, they just put it in the total price. Any safeway or local pharmacy will order cases of stuff for you if you just ask.
How are you playing brick breaker on there?? Can not find anything except April fools jokes on this!
yeah i dont see it
It would be great if we could get SLA done with a non toxic material and with less stations. But mostly the thing holding me back is the resin itself being so toxic.
It has to be that way, it's part of the photo-reacting part of the resin that makes it toxic.
Which is why it would be great if they could make light reactant chemicals that are also non toxic. Whether it's possible I don't know.
DesignIncase that's what I'm saying. It isn't.
So in the realm of chemistry there is simply no way this could ever be done? I'm not trying to say they aren't trying hard enough or if it's feasible. I was just throwing it out there that it would be nice. I'd also like Chocolate to have far less calories. Maybe we've hit a chemical dead end and maybe we haven't. I'm not a chemist.
DesignIncase SLA resin has been around since 1986, the industry would love to remove that part, as it is a major concern for everyone. I'm not saying there is no way, I'm saying the only way we know how to make photopolymers is with sensitizing agents. If a person could figure it out, you'd win the 3D game if it matched all the other material requirements. Which is another thing you have to consider.
this guy is a good presenter
Is it worth the effort is the question?
I would like to see it make something.
Interesting as always.
You can get a gallon of denatured alcohol for around 10 to 15 dollars from Home Depot.
I love this channel it’s my Adam savage fill since myth busters ended and can you guys do a bender from futurama cos play this year?🖖🏻
My formwash doesn’t seem to wash my parts completely after 20 min there’s still some resin in tiny crevices. Some parts fine but others not. Even after fresh ISO 99% is used. Huge disappointment.
Lab pro inc. or Douglas and Sturgess in the Bay area for Iso 99%.
What about fire risk? Safety precautions? You didn't mention one dang thing about it.
That much, high percentage alcohol is like... HOLY CRAP! You have that next to ANY heat source like a 3d printer, or any other items crafters and makers have (soldering iron, clothes iron, heat gun, etc etc etc) and WOOPH... my GOD, 2 gallons of 90% isopropyl alcohol???? Imagine you drop that tub while changing it out or putting it in and it spills and flames up? That stuff is going to be a freaking NIGHTMARE.
Just a thought.
Not to mention the toxicity of uncured resin. This channel seems to have a strange blind spot when it comes to safety; see the recent, comically cavalier mains-connected pinball stop-light doohickey.
thank you for mentioning this. we have 3 form2's at my place of work and a wash and cure station. Our printers basically run 24/7 so we go through cartridges, tanks, and alcohol like crazy. the byproduct of trying to filter the uncured resin from the alcohol in the wash results in a sticky flammable jelly substance that shall remain nameless for the time being. FormLabs is really doing a horrible job at considering and providing the resin disposal aspect of their printing methods.
Another issue is how Tested.com never discusses how it handles waste plastic from failed 3D prints. Hundreds if not thousands of makers with 3D printers are creating crap loads of NEW plastic waste on top of all the manufactured plastic that's been around for years and has polluted the oceans and every thing else.
Some makers on TH-cam don't even give it a thought when they show off their huge bags and boxes of failed prints. Where does it go? I've seen videos from Tested.com that show the same thing. Dozens of failed plastic 3D prints for just one that works. Remember too that those plastic prints... none of them have any identification of what type of plastic it is for recycling in waste management. They NEVER discuss how to deal with this.
There are makers who recycle 3D print plastic and all other types of plastic. Some are building cheap at home grinders and extruders to chop up and extrude new 3D printer filaments, doing "home based" injection molding. And yet, tested.com has NEVER showed off these projects or attempted them themselves.
They are always featuring and supporting some small startup making exciting new products that simply produce more waste. Why not show some companies that are trying to deal with the waste product of all this crafting.
compared to household waste of plastic, the 3D printing world is tiny. You could probably have every 3D printer on earth, extrude directly into the ocean, and it is likely a tiny fraction of the water bottles thrown away on a single day. Yes they should talk about it, but in scale likely a tiny, tiny issue
SLS printers have a very nice resolution but their price point and tiny build volume is a major turn off. I could by 10, CR-10's for that much money. May not be as high resolution but its volume is 300X300x400mm.
Could a 30/70 of distilled water and alcohol be used? It just make take a little longer to clean.
Andrew Brothers I use a number of these exact machines at work. Something like that probably won't work, even if you washed it for two days. Even using 99% IPA as opposed to 91% IPA makes a huge difference with the final product.
Blah, I love the quality of SLA, but this is why I want nothing to do with it. This is not an environmentally friendly method of printing. I wonder where he's tossing the used ISO with all that resin in it.
Cool!
$5000 is a lot. But they are getting cheaper.
people have been saying that about 3d printers for years but it never seems to get any cheaper theyre always adding stuff to it that makes the market really costly
Hey Adam could you mod a nerf modulus for me plzzz I’m a huge fan and if you mod it can you custom paint it
seems like a solid ultrasonic bath would be better than this system
THE HARDWARE STORE DUDE even walmart denatured alcohol but check whats in it some have 50% methanol im not sure if that matters as far as the plastics go. you are getting ripped off by going to a dental site.
If it's much cheaper than ~$18/ gal, the price he stated from Florida labs, it's either denatured (which is where the methanol comes in) or it's not anhydrous/99% pure.
Denatured alcohol is NOT isopropyl alcohol. Denatured alcohol will ruin the parts
It’s not hard to order alcohol from McMaster Carr in a 5 Gallon jug
at 9:54... your off on the pricing by almost $1500.
Does he have "product" in his hair...or is it just greasy?
Cuddle Fish
I love to have that printer but it is so much money
Seems so much more expensive having to keep buying alcohol and you dont even get a big build plate. I dont think SLA is the future of 3d printing
Not for anyone no, but on the commercial level they are practical and serve a variety of uses. SLA for hobbyists is a lot of work and money if you aren't cranking out parts or making products/providing services.
499 for the wash?! when i could just fill a 3 dollar bucket with alcohol and drop it in and it does essentially the same thing. and 699 for the cure, really seems like a waste of money when you can also just re purpose a cheaper UV sterilizer and lazy suzan for printing curing for a fraction of the price (sub 100). I don't get who this projects target demographic is. professionals generally need a larger work area with higher volume cleaning solutions and hobbyist should be smart enough to be able to engineer cheaper and more effective solutions.
Depends on the profession. We use the forms for surgery and are printing highly detailed bone/screw guides for every case. They aren’t large parts but they need to be exact within micron level tolerances. Your statement is silly given how varied the world of things are. For lots of engineering tasks, small and precise is exactly perfect. We were doing some research into airway stents and used our forms (the original form1 no less) to print the molds for the stents, and since we aren’t treating elephants it was well within the envelope.
practice not saying "UH" all the time. You don't need to make noise when you're thinking
Queria entender ;-;
Brasil
put subtitles for Brazil
60 degrees is cold...
Not if you, like Formlabs does, use metric system
Formlabs is American and Tested is American. So it's irresponsible for Tested to use metric units without specifying the fact that they're using metric.
Actually it's irresponsible to use imperial system. Anyway, the specs are both in the smart and less smart system formlabs.com/tools/wash-cure/tech-specs/
What a fucking rip off on that alcohol! Is it 99%? Just got to ACE hardware where you can buy a gallon for 19 bucks. And is 99%. And for the record, Formlabs is nice but those fucking clowns are high on the fumes. Nice machines but overpriced
405 nm wavelength isnt Ultra violet though. Only shorter than 400nm is UV!
Unfortunately my Form Cure lasted just under 3 years. Formlabs will not repair, fix or supply spares. Please do not waste your money on this, unless your happy with the cost every few years and polluting the planet with e-waste
Adam you have the predesignated amount of time to comply... traitor #Lukeigotyoursixordoi
:D love the pong
it's unfortunate that they both look identical
Why? It's not like you're going to get them confused. It would actually look much better if all three units liked alike.
Exactly because you'll get them confused and having three identical boxes would make it all the more confusing
Lol I work with them daily no one "gets them confused" xD
You can really tell that it's cheapo crap that will break. Flimsy plastic, weak hinges etc
We have been using both the Wash and Cure daily since they was first released, and we have had no problems like that, still working just as well as the day we got them.
$76 of alcohol per item printed?!
Estimated 70 wash cycles per full tray.
Tip, make sure you let most of the excess resin drip off, then use a preliminary alcohol wash to get most of it off, then run it through your wash station. It'll greatly increase the life of the alcohol in the wash station.
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Wow. That much money to wash and cure something? Just have a "wash" station with a timer for your soaks. Same for curing. Just a lot of money needlessly spent for what is basically flashy containers and cheap timers.
They provide a free wash bucket with the printer and no one is forcing anyone to buy them lol why are you mad
As for Alcohol, check with your local cleaning companies and suppliers as well. But if you are reviewing a $5000 piece of equipment that you are stating in the video is not for the home user, more geared for the small companies, then your review and your channel then is also gearing for the small companies and not the home user. Seriously, the only reason I subscribed to this channel was for Adam Savage and more and more often that is all I watch. I say Adam needs his own channel and you can go for a different audience!
The exact same cure box is available from aliexpress for 260. Slightly repackaged, but shame on Formlabs for charging 700 bucks for a lamp and a turntable.
Dyu have a link for those who want a less expensive alternative?
couldnt you, just also use a bucket
I'm going to buy a 3d printer so I can print a 3d printer to sell so my 3d printer will pay for itself by printing and selling a 3d printer it 3d printed! 😎😎😎
Good luck writing up the blue prints for that
Also you'll need to print circuits with capacitors resistors and shit. Good luck with that.
Not exactly a new concept - look into "RepRap".
timer settings: short, medium, arkanoid
I use the Formlabs2 for dentistry. Everything I fabricate comes out warped to where it's unusable. I followed all instructions for each resin... All warped