I completely agree. People are blinded by Tommy's age and "innocence" and arrogance. I think tommy is just as manipulative as dream honestly. They are way too blinded to realize what dreams whole entire goal was (I don't mean the people irl, they're good people irl and I respect them but dream is still my fav)
respect for Michael 🙂✌️ he just joined and not dumb than my little brother I hope Dream gets better and be the villain everyone feared...Tbh i would be getting crazy that peace wasnt coming I would be like dream
People will still protect Tommy by saying he’s still a child He’s 17 it won’t be long till he is an adult he should know better by now People really still wonder why I dislike him so much
@@idontknow8386 exactly!!! I didn't see anyone complaining when Wilbur tried to give him presidency, the complains started after he got bad consequences out of said position (when Dream "made" his actions seem worse [even tho they were bad on their own] after telling everyone he burned Georges house and that he couldn't be doing that if he was vice president) before that it was all ok! He was vice president and his age didn't matter! But when he has to take responsibility he's too young and can't? c'mon :/
I’ll be honest I’ve never seen dream as a true evil or a villain at worst his a anti-villain. Tommy has been by far the most problematic member on the smp he’s cause the most conflicts for the most amount of time and yet many views believe him to be not only the MAIN protagonist (in truth whoever you watch is the protagonist but the fact people think he is the true main protagonist is absolute stupidity) but also the god damn hero of the story when he’s never once done a truely heroic (selfless) act
Honestly dream would be the protagonist because he's the one who created everything and it was in his POV first. Usually it's the protagonist that's seen as the villain
Honestly dream was probably the bestest person on dsmp bc he never wanted war he wanted peace and tommy! Was actually the person who should be the villain not dream!
@@you-cz5mq i would agree but dream basically manipulated, tortured, abused tommy even if tommy did bad stuff he didnt need to got that far it wasnt dicipline any more its plain abuse
I want to say something it's just me or is Tommy, and trouble blindsided concern the fact that they do not know the reason why I dream is always acting crazy now, because it was their fault for starting the comb flick
@@quiluo I mean everyone on the server killed and beat each other what else can you do in Minecraft, slap them with a stick?? Like.. I guess what I’m trying to say is Dream is literally like everyone else, if Dream went to prison they all should go to prison -0- Also it’s Dreams server.. he wanted to have some control I guess?
Nobody was just like “she’s just a kid” when dealing by with me :( I’m younger than tommy and I just don’t really know how to act so some things they do really hurt my feelings
Just my opinion, but I can see why dream wanted tommy exiled bc he was part of the reason there was chaos happening but dream took Tommy’s exile the wrong way. By blowing up Tommy’s things dream made tommy almost off himself. Not to mention the abuse tommy went through. Again, I can see why dream did what he did but I feel like he could’ve approached the situation better. In my opinion everyone is both the villain and the hero, it just depends on what side you look at.(this is c! Tommy and c! Dream)
As much as I know people should believe the ones that have more experience aka Dream. The players see him as the main villain but it's Tommy. Dream has every right to be what he is now (in the SMP). I mean if peace wasn't coming you will do what dream has done.
I admit tommy fucked up mutiple times he did deserve some ban time and being kicked or being in the prison but dream is the villian in so many of the members story
Am I the only person who thinks people are too harsh on c!Tommy? I’m not saying he’s a great person or hero but people seem to completely neglect the fact that c!Tommy has not only been manipulated multiple times by people he’s trusted, but he’s also been killed by someone who was clearly abusing him. Has Tommy done bad things? Yes, he’s betrayed others and been selfish at times but here’s the thing. Tommy is not only a minor meaning he’s more likely to make mistakes but he also doesn’t particularly see himself as a hero. He’s an insecure & hot headed kid that has been traumatized to nearly committing suicide. The reason I say Tommy doesn’t see himself as a hero, is because he’s actually admitted things he’s done wrong. He admitted that he was the one who betrayed Techno, he was the one who actually told Tubbo to give Dream the disk back in L’manberg which the theory video cuts out. I’m not saying Tommy’s actions were justified because he’s a kid. But I’m honestly annoyed that the theory tries to justify Dream’s actions and leaves out very important information. Even if Dream is doing all this for peace, that doesn’t justify anything he has done. It’s like saying that someone committing murder is fine because the victim was a criminal, it doesn’t justify the crime. If Tommy’s actions aren’t justifiable because he’s a child, then Dream’s actions aren’t justifiable because he wants peace. (Something that I highly disagree with)
(I completely respect your opinion, also please note that I made this in the middle of reading yours) However thats the issue. The fact that people believe he can make mistakes because hes a minor makes it so almost nobody views him as bad. He uses his youth to his advantage in lore making dream painted the bad guy. Im not saying your opinion/idea is wrong, because really nobody's idea is wrong nor right because were not in the SMP so we dont get behind the scenes information. (Also she probably left it out because she didn't want to make the video 1 hour long. Sure, Dream did do some things that caused trouble. But if thats the case, why aren't other members getting punished. Like the video said, if everybody wants control, why is Dream the only villian? (Ignore my bad spelling) Once again I completely respect your opinion and im not saying your opinion is wrong. Im just stating my own opinion on the situation.
I dont agree. -dream didn’t have to torture tommy Yet he still did. -the first thing dream dod when he got out of prison was go look for his armor, and got into a fight with his ex bsf, then he went to tommy to tell him how he was gonna murder him over and over again. -dream literally said his c! was a villian -need I list the things hes done to go to jail, other then manipulate tommy? Cause I can. -he literally told eret the only way their would be peace, is to kill many people. -also convinced sam hes a good guy, when theres so much fucked up things about him. -the only reason tommy was exiled was because dream manipulated tubbo. -i get what their saying.. about yk.. “peace” But excuse me if im not wrong, he did attack a nation for whatever reason. -he manipulated me into believing he was a good person, liek gawhdamn The list goes on. But, sense im bored..heres the crimes hes committed Child neglect, child abuse, abuse, murder, attempted murder, war-starting, identity fraud, arson, mass-murder, theft, stalking, jailbreak, bombing, kidnapping, death-treats, animal abuse, torture, ect.. (I listed most of these from memory, however the last-what..four? Were from google :) )
Dream stans are going to attack me for my opinion but idrc Tbh I don’t think “everyone is the villain” for example quackity didn’t lose his fiancés because of las nevadas he lost them mostly because of Karl’s memory problems also I don’t think dream wanted “peace” for the greater smp he didn’t need to torture Tommy he could’ve just kept him away from the smp dont get me wrong this isn’t hate I love irl dream (platonically you weirdo) but I don’t think he was innocent or everyone was a villain intact his role was a villain where is people like quackity were more anti hero
Dude if you don't like it don't watch or click. Nobody said you have to watch and I don't see people saying stuff about c!tommy on angst videos about him
um... I only used this video because my best friend did this and her video ended up blowing up so she told me to do it. and besides this is just a theory and the lore isnt something to fight about. like cmon its just lore! its not irl its all made up!
Sorry If I sounded mad? Truth be told I'm saying this because I've been seeing so many people use the video in reactions and some people are fully believing it without question! Just because it's lore and a theory doesn't mean I should just not say anything when I spot something inaccurate. Tbh I haven't actually seen any video on C!Tommy being called biased in it's comment sections (but if there is please excuse me for being incorrect). Plus most stuff about C!Tommy there's actual evidence to support it.
I'm a C!Dream Enthusiast, I love his character and how CC!Dream portrays him! But even when I was in the past an apologist for C!Dream by saying "He was doing it for peace", I've realized now how stupid that thought was. (No offense if any of you think that way)
@@floral-jeans5253 tbh I just think it was a theory. I'm gonna say I've gotta be on Tommy's side also because of the way dream still manipulated Tommy and everyone. The reason why it's being used so many times in reaction videos is because that video is a big hit and people are more likely to come if you say that dream isn't a villain or some unpopular opinion.
Long time ago when I was a little girl all my friends and me would have these computers we would play and we called the server they each key pm everyone so so weird and funny and one day a person drawing wanted a name that sells Tommy and it's 64 and God I'm so dumb and anyway when we were playing we built a tiny little home for us we used wood because we saw wood was the best thing in the first place but this guy so it was funny to burn our houses down but when we burned his hometown he started crying and we lived far away from him so we said why we want and if I got my dad on the mic and he I told him to say what's up Daddy and scare the woman away so yeah
I think everybody forgot something DREAM has control over the server HE started it so why couldn't he just ban them like and at the same thing how did dream XD have access to creative mood and why doesn't dream is there something we don't know I'm confused🤨🤨🤨🤨 just like everybody is saying tommy is blinding the other by his age and so called innocence ngl dream acted WAY better then him in the server tommy should be the one in prison
The thing here is... Dream have really done bad things, obviously he did want Peace, but sometimes he just make Chaos for fun (And the fact that he Manipulated Tommy to make him think Dream was his only true friend... That was something painful to watch)
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I completely agree. People are blinded by Tommy's age and "innocence" and arrogance. I think tommy is just as manipulative as dream honestly. They are way too blinded to realize what dreams whole entire goal was (I don't mean the people irl, they're good people irl and I respect them but dream is still my fav)
Same
I do agree. C!Tommy is very manipulative, but I don't know if he means to or not. Everything in the DSMP is just grey.
@@corruptsolstice340 agreed!
@@corruptsolstice340 Again You are completely right
I'd say everyone is evil tbh
But Tommy was the one who started the conflict
respect for Michael 🙂✌️ he just joined and not dumb than my little brother I hope Dream gets better and be the villain everyone feared...Tbh i would be getting crazy that peace wasnt coming I would be like dream
this comment: dream be villain
dream later in smp: becomes a literal god everyone fears
People will still protect Tommy by saying he’s still a child
He’s 17 it won’t be long till he is an adult he should know better by now
People really still wonder why I dislike him so much
Well- it's a lore so Im not hating on anyone here
(I'm guessing you're talking about C!Tommy) Yeah! I agree :T
@@Pipi_030 I just think that if he can help build and run a country he can take responsibility for his actions
lore wise isn't he like 100+ years now since that's how long it was between the L'manburg war and the escape? or did I get my timeline wrong
@@idontknow8386 exactly!!! I didn't see anyone complaining when Wilbur tried to give him presidency, the complains started after he got bad consequences out of said position (when Dream "made" his actions seem worse [even tho they were bad on their own] after telling everyone he burned Georges house and that he couldn't be doing that if he was vice president) before that it was all ok! He was vice president and his age didn't matter! But when he has to take responsibility he's too young and can't? c'mon :/
I’ll be honest I’ve never seen dream as a true evil or a villain at worst his a anti-villain.
Tommy has been by far the most problematic member on the smp he’s cause the most conflicts for the most amount of time and yet many views believe him to be not only the MAIN protagonist (in truth whoever you watch is the protagonist but the fact people think he is the true main protagonist is absolute stupidity) but also the god damn hero of the story when he’s never once done a truely heroic (selfless) act
Honestly dream would be the protagonist because he's the one who created everything and it was in his POV first. Usually it's the protagonist that's seen as the villain
Yes I just love that we share the same idea… I’m so toucched
Honestly dream was probably the bestest person on dsmp bc he never wanted war he wanted peace and tommy! Was actually the person who should be the villain not dream!
@@you-cz5mq i would agree but dream basically manipulated, tortured, abused tommy even if tommy did bad stuff he didnt need to got that far it wasnt dicipline any more its plain abuse
@@quiluo well true but you get what I'm saying
“He had been tortured for months” here’s techno and Phil smiling to themselves
Could you make part 3
About them talking to dream in prison
:O maybe :D
@@Namon366 Or maybe something that involves the fact that C!Dream faked his own defeat? Thats really the only thing missing in this video.
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I want to say something it's just me or is Tommy, and trouble blindsided concern the fact that they do not know the reason why I dream is always acting crazy now, because it was their fault for starting the comb flick
Never really thought of this, But they make a VERY solid point.
For the first time in forever I am not that late. Just 1 hour late. C'mon it's good right? I loved the video so much thank you for making it😊
I went coocoo thank you so much for the heart and the likes😊
Im am not late to just 2 weeks its the early for me!
I'm 2 weeks late
@@hanaki_x6728 Well I am late to reply sorry😭
@@janiceotacan8537 I am a month late to reply to your reply, my phone didn't send a notification.
I agree 100% (Well, maybe 94-95%) with what the video said and thank you for making this reaction u-u
I'm re thinking my choices as tommy as my main character anyways dream apologist checkk
I feel so bad for Dream, everyone thinks he’s the villain 🤨
Good video btw! ♥️ love the character designs
His intentions were good but how he acted was rlly bad, he basically tortured, manipulated, and abuse tommy
plus he didn't to torture tommy that much
Still, Tommy was causing a lot of trouble.
We all have our opinions though! I respect yours :)
@@Screech911 So what your trying to say is that when someone do something bad u torture, abuse, and manipulate them instead of actual dicipline?
@@quiluo I mean everyone on the server killed and beat each other what else can you do in Minecraft, slap them with a stick?? Like.. I guess what I’m trying to say is Dream is literally like everyone else, if Dream went to prison they all should go to prison -0-
Also it’s Dreams server.. he wanted to have some control I guess?
Tommy in lore is arrogant. Change my mind
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I luv there Character designs Gorl!!
*more game theory dialog*
Nobody was just like “she’s just a kid” when dealing by with me :( I’m younger than tommy and I just don’t really know how to act so some things they do really hurt my feelings
Видео на английском но даже это не помешало этой песне проникнуть сюда.
лол, спасибо тебе
I wish they would all go have a meeting and talk about the problems and find a solution
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Just my opinion, but I can see why dream wanted tommy exiled bc he was part of the reason there was chaos happening but dream took Tommy’s exile the wrong way. By blowing up Tommy’s things dream made tommy almost off himself. Not to mention the abuse tommy went through. Again, I can see why dream did what he did but I feel like he could’ve approached the situation better. In my opinion everyone is both the villain and the hero, it just depends on what side you look at.(this is c! Tommy and c! Dream)
....so a 17 yr old that swears every 5-20 seconds can't handle abuse....
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its so good 💜
I'm not that late :) also nice viddd
As much as I know people should believe the ones that have more experience aka Dream. The players see him as the main villain but it's Tommy. Dream has every right to be what he is now (in the SMP). I mean if peace wasn't coming you will do what dream has done.
im early :D
(and second cuz creator is 1st)
Love the intro 😩
Rest in peace techno
3h early
Ay New highscrore 10 hourse ago
Wow…I’m early
I admit tommy fucked up mutiple times he did deserve some ban time and being kicked or being in the prison but dream is the villian in so many of the members story
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Am I the only person who thinks people are too harsh on c!Tommy? I’m not saying he’s a great person or hero but people seem to completely neglect the fact that c!Tommy has not only been manipulated multiple times by people he’s trusted, but he’s also been killed by someone who was clearly abusing him. Has Tommy done bad things? Yes, he’s betrayed others and been selfish at times but here’s the thing. Tommy is not only a minor meaning he’s more likely to make mistakes but he also doesn’t particularly see himself as a hero. He’s an insecure & hot headed kid that has been traumatized to nearly committing suicide. The reason I say Tommy doesn’t see himself as a hero, is because he’s actually admitted things he’s done wrong. He admitted that he was the one who betrayed Techno, he was the one who actually told Tubbo to give Dream the disk back in L’manberg which the theory video cuts out. I’m not saying Tommy’s actions were justified because he’s a kid. But I’m honestly annoyed that the theory tries to justify Dream’s actions and leaves out very important information. Even if Dream is doing all this for peace, that doesn’t justify anything he has done. It’s like saying that someone committing murder is fine because the victim was a criminal, it doesn’t justify the crime. If Tommy’s actions aren’t justifiable because he’s a child, then Dream’s actions aren’t justifiable because he wants peace. (Something that I highly disagree with)
(I completely respect your opinion, also please note that I made this in the middle of reading yours)
However thats the issue. The fact that people believe he can make mistakes because hes a minor makes it so almost nobody views him as bad. He uses his youth to his advantage in lore making dream painted the bad guy. Im not saying your opinion/idea is wrong, because really nobody's idea is wrong nor right because were not in the SMP so we dont get behind the scenes information. (Also she probably left it out because she didn't want to make the video 1 hour long. Sure, Dream did do some things that caused trouble. But if thats the case, why aren't other members getting punished. Like the video said, if everybody wants control, why is Dream the only villian? (Ignore my bad spelling) Once again I completely respect your opinion and im not saying your opinion is wrong. Im just stating my own opinion on the situation.
He is 17 tho its not long until he becomes an adult he should know better
or make a server with the name PSMP
mint peace smp
Kindi weird seeing tommy saying wooooo to a nether portal like woa a nether portal
3:47 that's sounds like dream stans and he's not best Minecraft player out there
she said one of the best dimwit
I dont agree.
-dream didn’t have to torture tommy
Yet he still did.
-the first thing dream dod when he got out of prison was go look for his armor, and got into a fight with his ex bsf, then he went to tommy to tell him how he was gonna murder him over and over again.
-dream literally said his c! was a villian
-need I list the things hes done to go to jail, other then manipulate tommy? Cause I can.
-he literally told eret the only way their would be peace, is to kill many people.
-also convinced sam hes a good guy, when theres so much fucked up things about him.
-the only reason tommy was exiled was because dream manipulated tubbo.
-i get what their saying.. about yk.. “peace”
But excuse me if im not wrong, he did attack a nation for whatever reason.
-he manipulated me into believing he was a good person, liek gawhdamn
The list goes on. But, sense im bored..heres the crimes hes committed
Child neglect, child abuse, abuse, murder, attempted murder, war-starting, identity fraud, arson, mass-murder, theft, stalking, jailbreak, bombing, kidnapping, death-treats, animal abuse, torture, ect..
(I listed most of these from memory, however the last-what..four? Were from google :) )
Dream stans are going to attack me for my opinion but idrc
Tbh I don’t think “everyone is the villain” for example quackity didn’t lose his fiancés because of las nevadas he lost them mostly because of Karl’s memory problems also I don’t think dream wanted “peace” for the greater smp he didn’t need to torture Tommy he could’ve just kept him away from the smp dont get me wrong this isn’t hate I love irl dream (platonically you weirdo) but I don’t think he was innocent or everyone was a villain intact his role was a villain where is people like quackity were more anti hero
Dude why do people keep using this video? It's been proven biased for purposely not mentioning stuff about C!Dreams character.
Dude if you don't like it don't watch or click. Nobody said you have to watch and I don't see people saying stuff about c!tommy on angst videos about him
um... I only used this video because my best friend did this and her video ended up blowing up so she told me to do it. and besides this is just a theory and the lore isnt something to fight about. like cmon its just lore! its not irl its all made up!
Sorry If I sounded mad? Truth be told I'm saying this because I've been seeing so many people use the video in reactions and some people are fully believing it without question!
Just because it's lore and a theory doesn't mean I should just not say anything when I spot something inaccurate. Tbh I haven't actually seen any video on C!Tommy being called biased in it's comment sections (but if there is please excuse me for being incorrect). Plus most stuff about C!Tommy there's actual evidence to support it.
I'm a C!Dream Enthusiast, I love his character and how CC!Dream portrays him! But even when I was in the past an apologist for C!Dream by saying "He was doing it for peace", I've realized now how stupid that thought was. (No offense if any of you think that way)
@@floral-jeans5253 tbh I just think it was a theory. I'm gonna say I've gotta be on Tommy's side also because of the way dream still manipulated Tommy and everyone. The reason why it's being used so many times in reaction videos is because that video is a big hit and people are more likely to come if you say that dream isn't a villain or some unpopular opinion.
To be honest I have pictures of Quackity and tommy
Hi
Someone needs to make a response video to the video the characters aren't doing much reacting to.
I'm late
And I completely destroy it
Long time ago when I was a little girl all my friends and me would have these computers we would play and we called the server they each key pm everyone so so weird and funny and one day a person drawing wanted a name that sells Tommy and it's 64 and God I'm so dumb and anyway when we were playing we built a tiny little home for us we used wood because we saw wood was the best thing in the first place but this guy so it was funny to burn our houses down but when we burned his hometown he started crying and we lived far away from him so we said why we want and if I got my dad on the mic and he I told him to say what's up Daddy and scare the woman away so yeah
what-
I could agree with dream and not in tommy’s side is becuase the server needed peace like dream wanted
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Do you want me to control the bad stuff that was happening so he can bring peace back,people are so blind
I hate auto correct
I meant dream when you control the bad stuff
Poor dream
i kinda think dream aint the villain but the thing is i dont think tommy is cause he was a child first war he was 9
POV: its just a story
This why i hate dream friends dream always get tortured getting blamed for he had not done. : (
I think everybody forgot something DREAM has control over the server HE started it so why couldn't he just ban them like and at the same thing how did dream XD have access to creative mood and why doesn't dream is there something we don't know I'm confused🤨🤨🤨🤨 just like everybody is saying tommy is blinding the other by his age and so called innocence ngl dream acted WAY better then him in the server tommy should be the one in prison
Hai I love ur vids can I plz get a shout out
DIDNT THEY WATCH THE VIDEO OR SOMETHING? THEY STILL CALL DREAM A VILLAIN OH man this peeps are more dummer than my little brother
The thing here is... Dream have really done bad things, obviously he did want Peace, but sometimes he just make Chaos for fun (And the fact that he Manipulated Tommy to make him think Dream was his only true friend... That was something painful to watch)
@@enzotoro791 pls note that the chaos he makes corrolates to his manhunt au and I think that chaos was minor ish
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When tommy joined I didn’t like him I never liked tommy in mcyt