"The best decisions about 'when to go' are made in the pilot's lounge." A recent airshow collision between an AD-1 Skyraider and a P-51 Mustang demonstrates this. The P-51 got smacked from underneath by the Skyraider. From the time of impact to the time the pilot left the aircraft was the amount of time needed to physically release the canopy and bail out plus the neurological time needed to think, "BAD THING! GO!" No thinking, just reaction. Live pilot.
This is a great video to link to in all the military crash videos. Everyone always says in the comments "Why didn't he eject!!!" and you can just link back to this. I always wondered why some people didn't eject until this, now its easy to see. THANKS FOR THE UPLOAD! Very interesting and insightful!
Back in my era, the early '60s, you sat on a 20mm cannon shell (w/ just the propellant) and this resulted in a shock to the spine when you went out. Some died because they didn't separate from the seat and pull the D ring. Others died because of design. The first 13 to punch out of an F-102 hit the tail and died. I flew the F-104 C/D with downward ejection, made that way to keep people from hitting the tail on the way out. After a Korean War ace, Ivan KInchelow, died ejecting downward immediately after T/O, the AF went to upward ejection, but while downward ejection was in vogue it felt sexy as hell walking out to the plane with spurs on. While you were strapping in you pulled cables with a ball on the end from under the sear and inserted them into the back of the spurs. This prevented your legs from flopping upward if you ejected.
@@TheRockerxx69 Spurs are sharp spikes worn on the back of cowboy boots that are dug into the side of a horse while riding. Pilot spurs are also located on the back of flight footwear, but these spurs are connected to the ejection seat in order to keep your legs close to t eat so your knees don't get caught on the cockpit on your way out. The ejection seats in the Mach 3+ A-12/SR-71/YF-12A also had the pilots/backseaters wearing spurs on their boots. If you go to the Dayton Ohio AirForce museum, they have the very last YF-12A in existence there. It was involved in an incident where the pilot and WSO were on the ground and they had to exit the plane quickly. There are ,arks/holes left on the skin of the plane where the "spurs of the mens boots caused damage as they clammered down out of the plane.
@@hoghogwild Thanks very kind of you. We ve had military pilots around the house a lot, because my father was one on WWII , on props ehehehehe , but his friends were jet s F84 F86 F104, sold by the USA to our Italian forces, aces I would say because they survived the F104 s, they were instructors too, damn tuff guys, I think I knew something about those cow boy type spurs, but could not recall it, I m just 67 y.o. eheheheh
Not sure about that but I've heard each ejection does compress your spine permanently. I believe two ejections will ground you from flying in the military or they will reassign you to helicopters or another model that doesn't have ejection seats due to what could happen to your body if it had to endure a third ejection..
In answer to the question"What caused the F4 in the opening sequence to crash" according to Tony Gaunt in"2016/11.lecture The History and Development of Martin Baker" it was FOD , a spanner (Wrench) left in the cockpit, allowing the stick to be pulled back, but then NOT pushed forward!
Its a fact as well. And due to the force involved you are only allowed to eject 2 or 3 times from an airplane and after that you are actually permantly grounded (dont think this will go for every airplane but in the airforce you are done) because you could damage your spine if you would eject again.
I can assure you the canopy would've been MILES behind that jet after the air blast caught it. All of these years later, I find myself wishing CHARLIE would've been the one that ejected!
5:34, 100 cruising alongside 105 on bomb run. 100 catches fire. Hit by shockwave? Looks like the thud caught a little of it, too, but judged it slightly better since he dropped them. Or am I talking out of my butt?
martin baker people claimed that after pulling the handle your body experiences 18G going up i wonder what it must have been for the first OXCART test pilot who punched out downward he made it alive though once thing for sure repeating the procedure doesn't hurt repetition is the best way to learn things whether you're a musician or a pilot or else
@bajesus666 I'm pretty sure it's the same principle, I see no way why it could've changed, I play the DCS A-10C simulator which is the same that the US Air Force uses, and thanks to that video, I survived twice from a battle damaged A-10C. First ejection was simple. Both wings teared off, time to punch out. Second one, was more complicated. I had only one wing teared off, and before my first ejection I had stabilized with one wing. But this time It didn't worked and I punched out 1 second short.
That was my friend Pete Pilcher. Production test pilot at the time. This was in St Louis on that airplanes first flight. He showed me the stick grip they gave him mounted on a plaque. It was burned a bit. They determined it was a flashlight left in the mixing unit and jammed the flight controls up.
So are military aviators stigmatized by their colleagues and chain of command if they've had to eject b/c of pilot error, thus perhaps negatively incentivizing them into delaying ejection whilst hoping to recover the bird, or have enough of those poor bastards died as a result of delaying egress that pilots aren't bothered by the delay-effect and they make rational decisions about when to get out? Thx...
Very instructive! But at 14:27 with a 90° Roll there could be a upward ejection vector if you're sitting on a Russian Zvezda K-36 ejection seat: Gyros + thrust vectoring which saved many Russian pilots including this one /watch?v=dz4gLrPsCYQ or these two /watch?v=Yh-kuztsE1s
Navy Wings are made of gold. USAF wings are made of steel. Gold is denser then steel. Heavier. So gold fals to earth faster. I thought gravity affects Navy aircraft more then USAF airframes.
I give them to Nail Erdogan and i said him to bring them to your home but....an R550 magic stuck in his ... and he go for swimming!!! By the way why you do not learn your pilots swimming?
I'd seen those videos before, but never realized how truly amazing were the feats of ejection performed by those seats. Wow.
"The best decisions about 'when to go' are made in the pilot's lounge." A recent airshow collision between an AD-1 Skyraider and a P-51 Mustang demonstrates this. The P-51 got smacked from underneath by the Skyraider. From the time of impact to the time the pilot left the aircraft was the amount of time needed to physically release the canopy and bail out plus the neurological time needed to think, "BAD THING! GO!" No thinking, just reaction. Live pilot.
Incredible. Found it here:
th-cam.com/video/2oJngucEac4/w-d-xo.html
Love these old training films!!
Thanks for posting.
THIS IS AWSOME!! I love your vids AIRBOYD!!
Greetings from HOLLAND
I love these videos, they get a couple hundred views, but know, that they are viewed with love and appreciation for aviation! Thank you very much!
This is a great video to link to in all the military crash videos. Everyone always says in the comments "Why didn't he eject!!!" and you can just link back to this. I always wondered why some people didn't eject until this, now its easy to see. THANKS FOR THE UPLOAD! Very interesting and insightful!
And I meant to add Thanks for posting this and the memories it brings back!
Great terminology! "Bird", "goofed", and "he buys the farm"! :D
Back in my era, the early '60s, you sat on a 20mm cannon shell (w/ just the propellant) and this resulted in a shock to the spine when you went out. Some died because they didn't separate from the seat and pull the D ring. Others died because of design. The first 13 to punch out of an F-102 hit the tail and died. I flew the F-104 C/D with downward ejection, made that way to keep people from hitting the tail on the way out. After a Korean War ace, Ivan KInchelow, died ejecting downward immediately after T/O, the AF went to upward ejection, but while downward ejection was in vogue it felt sexy as hell walking out to the plane with spurs on. While you were strapping in you pulled cables with a ball on the end from under the sear and inserted them into the back of the spurs. This prevented your legs from flopping upward if you ejected.
oh my goodness. that is some scary shit. Thanks for your service
What is a spur ???
@@TheRockerxx69 Spurs are sharp spikes worn on the back of cowboy boots that are dug into the side of a horse while riding. Pilot spurs are also located on the back of flight footwear, but these spurs are connected to the ejection seat in order to keep your legs close to t eat so your knees don't get caught on the cockpit on your way out. The ejection seats in the Mach 3+ A-12/SR-71/YF-12A also had the pilots/backseaters wearing spurs on their boots. If you go to the Dayton Ohio AirForce museum, they have the very last YF-12A in existence there. It was involved in an incident where the pilot and WSO were on the ground and they had to exit the plane quickly. There are ,arks/holes left on the skin of the plane where the "spurs of the mens boots caused damage as they clammered down out of the plane.
@@hoghogwild Thanks very kind of you. We ve had military pilots around the house a lot, because my father was one on WWII , on props ehehehehe , but his friends were jet s F84 F86 F104, sold by the USA to our Italian forces, aces I would say because they survived the F104 s, they were instructors too, damn tuff guys, I think I knew something about those cow boy type spurs, but could not recall it, I m just 67 y.o. eheheheh
Not sure about that but I've heard each ejection does compress your spine permanently. I believe two ejections will ground you from flying in the military or they will reassign you to helicopters or another model that doesn't have ejection seats due to what could happen to your body if it had to endure a third ejection..
Best site on the web...thanks so much for these uploads!!
The pilot of the F-4 in scene 1 was my good friend Pete Pilcher.
What caused the crash?
The number one rule of thumb in Aviation- What you DON'T know.... Won't hurt you.... it will KILL you!
In answer to the question"What caused the F4 in the opening sequence to crash" according to Tony Gaunt in"2016/11.lecture The History and Development of Martin Baker" it was FOD , a spanner (Wrench) left in the cockpit, allowing the stick to be pulled back, but then NOT pushed forward!
@will891410
The early F-104 had a downward track(bottom ejecting) ejection seat.
2 of the ejections seats on a B-52 eject from the bottom as well.
these videos never fail to make my day
My goodness! I remember seeing this in the Air Force in 1981! It was outdated then. (Uniforms had changed and f-105's were loooooong gone!)
The poster of this video has listed it as dated 1969, but the introduction page is dated 1947.
Yea, you have to move the two attennas around or move the black and white closer to window for better reception
Its a fact as well. And due to the force involved you are only allowed to eject 2 or 3 times from an airplane and after that you are actually permantly grounded (dont think this will go for every airplane but in the airforce you are done) because you could damage your spine if you would eject again.
That's for the older blasting-cap style Russian seats. I believe it's more like 4 or 5 for US seats and the possibly more for the newer Russian seats.
love these old videos =)
Air Boyd is always good stuff.
I can assure you the canopy would've been MILES behind that jet after the air blast caught it. All of these years later, I find myself wishing CHARLIE would've been the one that ejected!
Great video!!!!
The best training video for Turkish air force becouse Greek air force have total superiority over the Greek sea Aegean!!!!
@will891410
Blades blasted away by special charges right before ejection, its part of the process.
Thanks great vid!
5:34, 100 cruising alongside 105 on bomb run. 100 catches fire. Hit by shockwave? Looks like the thud caught a little of it, too, but judged it slightly better since he dropped them. Or am I talking out of my butt?
martin baker people claimed that after pulling the handle your body experiences 18G going up i wonder what it must have been for the first OXCART test pilot who punched out downward he made it alive though once thing for sure repeating the procedure doesn't hurt repetition is the best way to learn things whether you're a musician or a pilot or else
@James Horak, Looks to be from March AFB and not Pensacola.
Alright I'm ready to fly now, got my training in.
9:38 Jesus crist thats some force involved there.. thats insane!
Glad this was all Automatic! Was like a kick in the ass and the next thing you know you were hanging under that beautiful Canopy!
7:35 Turn on subtitles :D Beer can keep you in that airplane too long.
Of course it’s a quality upload, it’s Airboyd! Good to crash into you again.
You need to press 'Tracking' on the vcr to clear out the 'snow.'
gotta love this educational movie...
Thanks for the interesting information. Cheers.
...where I can buy a helmet liner like the one the F-4 pilot puts on...?
Great video. too bad better quality was not available
I am getting Deja vu. I swear I have seen this exact video before!
Good stuff a man should know.
Useful information!
Music by NFL Films.
i use to fix tvs, and that allways worked for me lolol
@bajesus666 I'm pretty sure it's the same principle, I see no way why it could've changed, I play the DCS A-10C simulator which is the same that the US Air Force uses, and thanks to that video, I survived twice from a battle damaged A-10C. First ejection was simple. Both wings teared off, time to punch out. Second one, was more complicated. I had only one wing teared off, and before my first ejection I had stabilized with one wing. But this time It didn't worked and I punched out 1 second short.
@will891410 yeah,you would hit the blades
"Unless he has more than 600 feet airspace, ... he buys the farm." :P
I guess Goose and Maverick were screwing around in a bar somewhere when they showed this one.
It does...
does anyone know the base where those two bailed out of the navy F4 at the beginning of the video? was that NAS Penscola FL ?
That was my friend Pete Pilcher. Production test pilot at the time. This was in St Louis on that airplanes first flight. He showed me the stick grip they gave him mounted on a plaque. It was burned a bit. They determined it was a flashlight left in the mixing unit and jammed the flight controls up.
If a band's name were to be Ejection Vectors what would they play?
I kept slapping the side of the TV to get better picture. It used to work.
old is gold lol
CHECK THE "TRACKING" ON YOUR VHS PLAYER
Im practicing to prolong my ejections as long as posible !
"You've got to pull your own parachute rip cord". So reach down and grab that D ring! Best of luck.
wow look how long the f-4 take to go down such powerful engines!
Picked up the remains of a RIO that was ground ejected with his restraints unsecured. Was not pretty...
So are military aviators stigmatized by their colleagues and chain of command if they've had to eject b/c of pilot error, thus perhaps negatively incentivizing them into delaying ejection whilst hoping to recover the bird, or have enough of those poor bastards died as a result of delaying egress that pilots aren't bothered by the delay-effect and they make rational decisions about when to get out? Thx...
great music
Very instructive! But at 14:27 with a 90° Roll there could be a upward ejection vector if you're sitting on a Russian Zvezda K-36 ejection seat: Gyros + thrust vectoring which saved many Russian pilots including this one /watch?v=dz4gLrPsCYQ or these two /watch?v=Yh-kuztsE1s
I bet all of you did not know it was a Irish man..John Martin who invented the ejection seat back in the 1940s !
Good vectors for survive
Trig at its best!
I wonder if a similar kind of these educational vids still exist in the era of the highly advanced ACES II system? ._.
They do. Ejection decisions remain complex.
if the pilot loss control?
Got the Vector,, Victor E.G
The thing I DON'T want to do for sure, is to eject.
I DO want to fly....
4 - 5 times more?! This in the vid would be more then enough, i mean they don´t need to be sent into orbit..
12:20 the first "@" of the video history...
Navy Wings are made of gold. USAF wings are made of steel. Gold is denser then steel. Heavier. So gold fals to earth faster.
I thought gravity affects Navy aircraft more then USAF airframes.
So... my ad served up to me was.... cremation services for the Armed Forces... "this can cause reimbursement expenses" : WTF > ?
I laughed heartily at your comment because it's true.
two words FLAT SPIN
Anyway much less than not eject?
I watched the whole video...but i don't know why I did that lol
Higher quality version: watch?v=Oxi_rqAW9vM
I give them to Nail Erdogan and i said him to bring them to your home but....an R550 magic stuck in his ... and he go for swimming!!!
By the way why you do not learn your pilots swimming?
3:19 Baby needs sleepy...
...it's a "a-pilots-cabin"...
Would be much better without blur-filter!
That's a vector Victor.
ytugtbk Roger, huh? Over, what?
why did i watch this.............
my respect to Mathematics
what the freak,how do you pull up vertically in a jet like hat (unless it is an F-22 Raptor)
lol
helicopters cant eject o.O
How many airplanes did they had to destroy just to test those ejectors? All thanks to the tax payers.
FIRST AGAIN